LTRWhat Traits Should You Look For In a Potential Girlfriend? (self.TheRedPill)

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Hey boys,

I was a bachelor for the past 4 years. Most of it was by choice, but sometimes I simply didn't play the relationship card well if I did really like my lover (I was too insensitive or was too obviously a player and she didn't think I'd take a relationship serious).

Then, a few months ago, I found a chick who checked all the check marks on my list and seduced her (and she seduced me; she's awesome).

I'll share a few of them with you. I have pretty high standards, because I don't want to invest time, energy, and emotions into some chick who will ghost at the first sign of a strong temptation or if I lose frame momentarily. And I'm happy I was patient and didn't listen to only heart. I picked with my heart AND my brain.

Think of relationships as investing. Make good, strong investments, and, if you're patient, they'll almost always yield profits.

The primary goals of these screens is to predict whether your girl will be

  1. Sexually Faithful (she won't cheat on you)

  2. Supportive (she will be your cheerleader for your goals and your lifestyle)

  3. A Positive Influence (you feel better around her than you do alone)

I'll separate these by flag colors. Green is good, yellow is meh (and sometimes, you want a girl who is a bit more crazy/interesting, so a few yellow flags keep the relationship interesting), red is no bueno (you don't want too many of these).

Green Flags

Low Partner Count (0-6): my current girlfriend was a virgin when I met her. 20 years old. This CAN be problematic, in some cases, since if you do open her eyes to sex, she might wonder what else is out there (no situation is perfect), but, for the most part, if she's only had a handful of lovers, she still associates love with sex. This is important, because she won't seek sexual gratification outside of the relationship simply because it's pleasurable and her body/mind simply won't be sexually attracted to many men (and even if she is, because she isn't romantically attracted as well, she won't stray. It's not a 100% safeguard, though).

Conservative Upbringing: it's not so important that she is actually conservative, but that she was raised conservatively (e.g., being a ho is bad, family is important, loyalty is important, etc) helps bunches.

Very Little to No Drinking: a glass of wine with dinner or at a low-key party is fine (and normal in some cultures, especially EE).

Seldom to No Clubbing/Partying: if she goes to the occasional house party, it's not too big of a deal. I'd say anything more than going out every few months or once a month is a bit risky.

Her Father/Mother Were Present and Are Strong: a present mother teaches her nurturing and provides a role model for how to act. If the mother is strong (not easily influenced and can take care of herself), even better. She's a woman and thus wants to submit to a man, but it's not easy to make her submit. If her father is present, it sets a baseline for men to live up to. If he's strong/dominant (sets firm rules, his wife submits to him, and he's socially dominant and charismatic), better. Women are usually only attracted to men who are as or more dominant than her father. Also women are either attracted to men with similar traits to her father (or complete opposites, if she despises him).

She's Difficult to Bed: virgins are the hardest (usually). The harder it is for you to sleep with her, then the harder it is for men at your level or below your level of dominance/charisma. As a woman gets more partners, her standards go down (though she is also more dominant, thus scrubs rarely sleep with her, but she also does become more curious, so her pool of potential mates goes up. It's a trade but usually hoes hoe it up [insert every rap song ever]).

She Has a History of Long, Committed Relationships: this demonstrates that she associates sex with relationships, thus the chances of her fucking some random guy when you date her go down.

She's a Happy, Fun Person: girls who are perpetually depressed or bipolar tend to seek satiation in the form of sex (and also tend to drink more and do drugs).

She's Beautiful: beautiful women (read: not hot. I'm talking about her face) are more sexually conservative. They go through their whole lives being treated like princesses and thus develop a higher resistance to charm and have higher standards (i.e., they're harder to sleep with).

You're Extremely Attracted to Her: if you see her, you should immediately get hard or excited. When I first saw my now-girlfriend standing behind me in line at the grocery store, I thought she was fine as fuck (then when I saw her ass, I was in full hunter-mode). If you're not extremely attracted to her, you're not going to care about the relationship much and are liable to let it slide (women don't only cheat because men are weak; they also cheat because he doesn't care about her anymore).

Yellow Flags

Moderate Partner Count (6-10): her association with sex and love are dissolving as her notch count rises. Thus, her okay-ness with fucking guys for the pleasure goes up (which makes extra-marital dalliances more likely). Also, her age plays a role here. A 35-year-old with 8 lays is probably alright.

She Smokes Cigarettes: this ties in with happiness and pleasure-seeking. Addictions in general are not good, since one addiction usually leads to others (partying, drinking, sex, hard drugs, etc).

A Present But Weak Father/Mother: I know one girl I inducted into sluttery who had a very kind and doting father, but he was very weak. Her baseline for "This guy is strong" is lower, thus her available pool of potential lovers is bigger.

A Tempting Environment: if she has a friend(s) who parties hard and sleeps with a lot of guys or does drugs, then the likliehood of your girl eventually being tempted is higher (especially if that friend doesn't like you. Think of these friends as Grima Wormtongue poisoning the ear of King Theoden in LOTR). Also, culture plays a role. Girls in Western cultures, at least right now, are pressured by media to be more free and act like men (sexual liberation, competition with men, etc).

A History of Short Relationships: I know a girl who would have 2 to 3 new boyfriends a year and who cheated on one (and almost two) boyfriends with me. I've talked to her about cuckoldry, and she told me how awesome it would be to have her now-husband agree to being a cuckold.

Ambition: the more ambitious she is, the more testosterone she has. This correlates with sex drive and also means you have to be more manly/dominant to keep her in line. Makes it harder to keep her loyal (if it hasn't become obvious, you have to activate loyalty. You can find a 'perfect' girl and still fuck it up if you're not a boss and don't provide for her needs/desires).

Orange Flags

Smokes Pot: As a former pothead (smoked hardcore for four years, then lived in Cali for a year and one of my good friends ran a dispensary), I can confirm that smoking weed can get you laid ("Wanna go smoke?" is one of the best closing lines of all time), but the girls who smoke a lot tend to be....looser. I know a FEW chicks who smoke weed who are otherwise pretty great girlfriend quality gals, but they're super rare...

Travels a Lot (Especially Alone): she's adventurous about where she goes; she will also be adventurous about who she does. When I see girls go on vacations alone with a boyfriend back home...well....

Red Flags

High Partner Count (10+): I once dated a HUGE slut and it was tiring, to say the least. She cheated on me once, as confirmed by her (she kissed some guy at a party while I was in a bad place in life), but I suspect more (and now remember a few sketchy situations she might have lied about. She partied hard, drank, and had 14 partners when we first got together. She's now at ~80 lays last time we talked, and is 23 years old; her being super hot/beautiful mixed with her daddy/mommy issues [yes, both] and, yeah.). Again, age is important here, but if you have a 20 year old with 10 lays under her belt...I'd say curve her.

Few to No Serious Relationships: this means her only partners have been casual and she doesn't associate sex with love/commitment.

Absent/Abusive Mother/Father: it goes without saying that this causes a LOT of issues in her psyche. She will seek satiation in many forms, be it drugs, cock, or alcohol. It's sad that something she had no control over affects her relationship viability, but life is tough. Don't hurt yourself to help someone else.

Heavy Partying/Drinking: clubs/bars are NOT "fun places to go." They're meat-markets. Girls go to clubs and bars to look for cock. I worked in the nightlife industry for 3 years and was a frequent clubber for five years. Please trust me on this. I know a few girls who smoke cigs, party hard, and drink often but only have a few lays, but they're bound to blow up any time. It's a ticking-time bomb, bruh.

Hardcore Drugs: molly, acid, shrooms, cocaine, etc. She likely hangs with very sexually liberal crowds and under these influences, she won't hesitate to have some fun. People are people. I consider myself very disciplined, but when under the influence of these substances...I'm a crazy fucker.

Bi-Polar/BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder)/Sociopathy: I mean, if you want her to kill you, falsely accuse you of rape, or cheat on you whilst perfectly lying to you, go ahead and date one of these chicks. I'm sure the sex will be galactically good, but holy shit these gals WILL ruin your life.

She Has Cheated On a Boyfriend Before: If she has cheated once, she is likely to do it again. I've seen 0 exceptions to this rule. Proceed at your own risk. Assume you are the rule, not the exception.

Parting Note

No girl is perfect. I've seen chicks with all Green Flags cheat. Women by nature want the best man they can find, so you need to be the best man you can be, and "activate" her loyalty (i.e., make her WANT to stay with you).

Also, a girl NEEDS to know that if she cheats, she's GONE (no debates, no appeals - GONE!). You can do this directly or indirectly, but she NEEDS to know that you have no tolerance for infidelity (even if it's kissing a guy or dancing with a guy [hence why party girls are bad business]).

There's nothing wrong with a girl being wild and crazy. I have many friends who are like this and love them to death. But if you have a friend who is bad with money, you're not going to make him CFO of your company, right? You love him, but he's not fit for the job.

Same with a girlfriend. Find the right girl for the job.

EDIT: I can already see people getting triggered. I'm not condemning any lifestyle or any person. If that was your interpretation, that's not my intention and was explicitly addressed in the post. If you do not respond to the points concretely made, I will not respond, because you are responding with feelz, not logic. My goal is for you to screen someone who is likely to stay loyal (but nothing is a guarantee). That. Is. The. Point. Of. This. Post.

EDIT 2: I can see how this post might press buttons. Talking pickup is easy. Sleep with this girl, or that girl. But discussing relationships...well that hits people hard, especially if you're in a relationship with a girl who doesn't live up to the standards I set. I'm NOT saying you fucked up. I'm NOT saying she's cheating on you. I'm simply talking about odds from the vast mound of experience I have. You will react emotionally and that is inevitable, but I ask you to look at this as objectively as you can.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (2 children)

A good companion to the Bitch Management Hierarchy.

Some good predictors of which ones will work their way up.

Pointed and stickied.

[–][deleted] 234 points235 points  (8 children)

Only consider an LTR once you've:

Created female abundance - Have had at least three plates at any given time. Plates which dish out minimal shit tests, actively seek to acquire your commitment and are thrilled with having you in their life. If they are giving you minimal or no shit/comfort tests, that means they sense congruence with who you are and how you behave. This is an indication that you've built a life for yourself and have met your needs yourself, without attempting to rely on them.

Have firmly defined your boundaries and expectations - Ever read those askTRP threads where the kid doesn't know if he should drop the girl after she clearly disrespected him? Before that kid met that girl, he should know himself enough to know where his lines are drawn. This goes for all relationships, not just women.

Created personal abundance - Until you can walk away from any woman at any time for any reason, you're not ready for an LTR. This only happens when you value yourself more than you value other's opinion of yourself. In fact, I could remove 'create female abundance' as a requirement, because if you have personal abundance, you don't necessarily need to have any women around to be able to enforce your boundaries. Abundance in your life is a substitute for female abundance (ie-contentment during monk mode), but female abundance is not a substitute for life abundance or life fulfillment.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

This is really excellent. Keep the locus of control on yourself. All the stuff in the OP may or may not be true, I'm being totally agnostic......but what you listed is critical.

[–]EnidAsuranTroll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agnostic, Nice choice of words :)

[–]Andgelyo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent post. “The only power people have over you is the power you give them”. You need to be self secure with yourself and know that if any bitch tries to screw you over, you will be alright no matter what.

[–]fromthecrypt8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great addition to the original post. Very important points. LTRs are for advanced redpillers.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 103 points104 points  (17 children)

Your guide contains a lot of problems:

It is next to impossible to verify things like:

  • Low Partner Count (0-6)
  • Seldom to No Clubbing/Partying
  • Very Little to No Drinking

Your analysis on the following traits are off base:

  • She's Beautiful -- Beauty is hardly a measure of a woman's sexual conservatism. And there's an entire industry built around giving women a thousand a one ways to look "innately beautiful", as opposed to just hot and ready for breeding. These business make a fortune helping women deceive guys like you.
  • She's a Happy, Fun Person -- Women are water, and their environment is the glass that hold them. If she is in a positive, engaging environment, she will be happy and fun. Any woman can be fun and happy around you if you know what makes her tick.

The only solid, reliable metric of a woman's LTR suitability is how you experience her company, which I covered in my Guide to Managing Your Bitches. Give it a read.

[–]bashfulbiochemist 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Anyone else having trouble clicking the link on mobile? 🤔

[–]CarnivOre93 3 points4 points  (4 children)

It’s not impossible. If you have an average IQ or above- just ask her the questions and judge her responses. Make you decision from that point. If you have to hook her up to a lie detector machine then you probably care TOO MUCH. Otherwise, make a fucking decision and see how the fuck it plays out!

[–]RedPillHanSolo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is next to impossible to verify things like:

Bitches love social networking sites. They post everything to facebook, so if you lurk, you find.

[–]tzrune 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Low Partner Count (0-6) Seldom to No Clubbing/Partying Very Little to No Drinking

Most women tell the truth if you're non judgmental and their frequency of clubbing and drinking is also pretty obvious if you just ask her what she got up to in the weekend and she feels comfortable telling you the truth.

I drink pretty much every weekend and I don't think a girl would ever lie to me about how often she drinks.

[–]Donwartelone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

indirect game is useful to finding out all is possible and no rules in war.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the bright side, he solved the Player Paradox.....I tried linking to his piece from 3 months ago, back when he had the circle squared, but it wouldn't save. Can't we link within TRP?

[–]Solipsistic_guy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I agree that low n count is hard to verify directly but the other two are pretty stark obvious. Are bars are her go to place ? Does she like to “girls night out ?” Also those irritating tongue out selfies...

[–]WaterCoder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can check her background if you know people in the data industry.These days since so much stuff occurs on social media,pics of parties etc.One can easily figure stuff out.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 93 points94 points  (33 children)

Flip it around.

Look for any reason to next the bitch. after a year, if she hasn't given you any, then worry about it.

Removing what you don't want is way easier than looking for what you do. No false positives then

Though I am cuirious how the fuck you think you're going to find out her dick count. I would love to have that super power.

[–]beachbbqlover 1 points1 points [recovered]

Good time to interject and point out that your girl being a complete pushover isn't the defining characteristic of not being a fuckup.

Nexting every chick who is willing to point out when you make a mistake or argue with you is pretty lame, because it's actually something that can keep you in line and make you stronger.

Do it when you should. Don't do it when you shouldn't.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Excellent tactict.

What most fail to realize is when you're relatively inexperienced with women, your ability to hamster their unicorn status is huge. As you gain experience while remaining rp aware, that hamster shrinks.

Somewhere down the line, you see women for exactly what they are and their capacity to emotionally swindle you, is gone.

This isn't to say your capacity for emotional connection is gone, but that you retain full control over it in light of your acquired truths.

[–]Heinzdoofens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A nice trick is to question her in front of your mother. Her reaction is enough for your mother to know the truth. If you can trust your mother to have your back, then it is gold.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Super power? It's generally easy enough to ballpark if you have common friends with a woman, because women can never shut the fuck up about each other.

Will you get an exact partner count? No, but who cares? You can easily find out from the friends of the typical (AWALT) oversharing female if she's promiscuous, barring a scenario in which her history with her current friends is short, in which case you assume she is.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Op cared, because op assumed semen variance is what made women do what they do. Instead of, just being womrn

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Gotcha. As others have said, partner count itself does not matter because it is a symptom rather than a cause or risk to you of women being women. Guesstimating it may help you assess a risk of being cheated on, in the same way that the odometer in your car will help you assess your risk of your car breaking down, but it in itself is merely data

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don't be spreadsheet man, be a skittles man.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And now if you'll excuse me, I have some rainbow to taste

[–]writewhereileftoff 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol as if you can take a female on her word when she sais she's a virgin... It doesn't really matter that much what she said, what matters more is what she does or doesn't do. To evaluate these things time is needed.

[–]HerefortheTuna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

both girls I hooked up with in college bled..

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 43 points44 points  (1 child)

This is going to bring out the hamsters.

So many guys on this sub think that THEIR unicorn can violate red flags, and its OK in their case, THEY are the exception.

I've seen so many guys here rationalize why their LTR is perfect and set to last even though the woman has a lot of tattoos, does drugs, has a high partner count, is a single mom, etc. etc. etc. red flag after red flag. You see, their unicorn is totally different, she isn't like that, red flags don't matter with her, trust them.

Too many guys are blinded by their unicorn and have tunnel vision.

[–]Heinzdoofens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Problem is, a guy sets a specific boundary/detects a red flag only if he had a similar experience in the past. eg. Lending money to a friend and not getting it back, teaches him not to lend money. Some people can only learn if it happens to them.

[–]U-94 34 points35 points  (5 children)

I hate this demonization of bars on this sub. They're the happiest place in the world. I'd rather sit in a mostly empty bar talking to regulars/bartenders most nights than some date night with a girl. Not every place is a Vegas pool party alpha/beta food chain.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 5 points6 points  (3 children)

If you don't see clubs and club-like bars as meat markets, I can infer you don't spend much time in a major city. That isn't either a good or bad thing inherently, but there is a bias within the demographic of this sub (and marginally within the population in general) towards city life, which brings with it a competitive and hypersexual social scene.

[–]U-94 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I live in New Orleans. IN New Orleans. I grew up on theEast Coast but also lived IN Los Angeles and Chicago as well. Compared to the suburban existential nothingness, yes I guess cities are 'hypersexual' but I can also say reality is what you make it. You'll perceive the world you want to see.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You do have a point about bars in New Orleans being happy places; they're a lot of fun. But my (apparently incorrect) inference is based on a generalization of "the bar/club scene" (not my own experience either), which is not of empty bars where you chat with the bartender, regulars, and buddies, but the generally packed and very contrived nightlife that profits off of providing a place for guys to pick up girls.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't get how people can't imagine just getting fucked up and letting loose with friends.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 39 points40 points  (40 children)

Low Partner Count (0-6):

Unknowable and unprovable. Yes it's a good idea to have a girl with a low n-count. Yes you should discount those with a high count. But you can never be certain she's telling you the truth.

Her Father/Mother Were Present and Are Strong:

The best relationships I've had have been with women whose fathers have been abusive or absent, and the worst with women whose fathers have been present (although not sure I'd call them strong).

The only explanation I've got is that those with present/good fathers are sexually repressed and demand beta traits, and those without a strong father figure in life crave one and respect me accordingly.

She Has a History of Long, Committed Relationships

Would also add "and doesn't cheat and branch-swing", but you're unlikely to know the truth here. Certainly if she's in a relationship when you first get with her, that's how your relationship will end too.

She Smokes Cigarettes: this ties in with happiness and pleasure-seeking. Addictions in general are not good, since one addiction usually leads to others (partying, drinking, sex, hard drugs, etc).

Yes... same with drinking as OP mentions.

[orange] Smokes Pot

Red flag if it's regular (weekly or more).

Bi-Polar/BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder)/Sociopathy

This is not a red flag, this is the end of the conversation and never seeing her again.

so you need to be the best man you can be, and "activate" her loyalty (i.e., make her WANT to stay with you).

Or........ do what you want, and don't give a fuck.

It's not loyalty if she's sticking with her best option. That's simply selfish best interests. Loyalty would be sticking with you when you're NOT her best option, and that's not even worth hoping for.

[–]trombonetoe 48 points49 points  (15 children)

The best relationships I've had have been with women whose fathers have been abusive or absent

You're out of your ****ing mind

[–]BokehClasses 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think he might be right.

Fatherless girls will probably be better for a sexual relationships since they seek a "daddy" and an alpha Chad will provide that. These girls probably won't be loyal long term though compared to girls with fathers.

Basically, fatherless girls make better sluts. Girls with fathers make better girlfriends.

[–]caP1taL1sm 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Half of these endorsed people seem like whackos. Totally agree, a strong parental upbringing predicts success in all aspects of life. Makes 0 sense that having a fucked up family would make for a better relationship.

All he's really getting at is girls with daddy issues. Sure, they might be easier to fuck, but for LTR? No way

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah, um when you've had a relationship, then again when you've had several, your perspective changes with each one. When you get one you will know what I mean... eventually.

I've gotten the same stupid bullshit from girls with broken homes and from parents that didn't get divorced. The one I'm fucking now, as in today and yesterday, had divorced parents. Is a single mom. Big fucking deal. You can at best call these kinds of things guidelines. Black and white thinking does not translate into interpersonal relations.

The fact of the matter is every bitch will do the same stupid shit, and only the threshold for that stupid shit varies. It's not much, and in fact most of the variation comes from the opportunities she gets to fuck high value men.

[–]Heinzdoofens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can say she is a mirror to you. If you lose frame, even a unicorn can falter. If you don't, you can make a hoe a housewife.

[–]bickisnotmyname 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m with you mate. Easier to bed but job girls with poor father figures but by no means are they worth the sex.

I have reached a point where I will not LTR any woman with divorced parents. Exception can be made if parents divorced after she left home or was above age 18.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Totally agree, a strong parental upbringing predicts success in all aspects of life.

But it does not influence hypergamy or her ability to control her feelings (not go for another man just b/c she finds him attractive). At best "strong parental upbringing" imprinted some form of fear of punishment for crossing the boundaries (displeasing the parents or you). It's not a long term predictor of faithfullness, I had multiple ONS with girls that like that.

Perhaps in a man it makes more sense b/c we're not as driven as emotions when it comes to choosing who/if we fuck, but applying this to a woman is probably a projection or maybe our own fantasy we wish to be true.

[–]Rommel0502 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree completely. Im 49, and the single gold-standard iron-clad principle Ive distilled about women is if a girl has anything other than the best of relationships with her father, do not invest any assets into her whatsoever.

In all of those years, its a perfect two way correlation. Ive never met a worthy LTR who had a bad relationship with her father. Not a single time. Conversely, every LTR worthy girl had a very strong relationship with her typically strong father.

[–]TriggeringEveryone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe he means "best" in the sense he was able to fuck em easy. You'd have to be crazy to make kids with a woman like that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Clearly he does something that does work, as confirmed by his multiple LTRs.

His logic behind this is "not wrong" as it - it does make sense. I'm not saying one should look for abused women for an LTR, I'm saying that acording to MattyAnon's logic and experience there's a downside AND an upside too.

[–]Heinzdoofens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His logic is just that, even for a STR/LTR, there had to be a reason for her to breakup with them, be it hypergamy/them losing frame. He is just saying AWALT and be the best version of yourself.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is TRP. Go ahead. Swear. We don't mind.

[–]newName543456 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Bi-Polar/BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder)/Sociopathy

This is not a red flag, this is the end of the conversation and never seeing her again.


Everything in Cluster B in fact.

[–]Marl_MGTOW 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Avoidant would be acceptable, and perhaps schizoid although the latter would rarely want a relationship

[–]newName543456 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Avoidant is Cluster C and Schizoid is Cluster A though.

[–]1ozaku7 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Unknowable and unprovable. Yes it's a good idea to have a girl with a low n-count. Yes you should discount those with a high count. But you can never be certain she's telling you the truth.

This is why you clearly show them that you don't give a single shit about their n-count, and just start sharing stories about your past partners if she brings it up. Eventually they will spill the beans because they feel the itch to just tell so. Even as a shit test to see if their high n-count breaks your frame.

You should never give a shit about their n-count, but it's that moment when you flip the switch to either "LTR material" or "STR material". Her past is your future.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Her past is your future.

Exactly this.

Great phrasing.

[–]Heinzdoofens 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Women are usually good at detecting lies through observing behavior.

What if you setup a scenario in which you question her in front of some women you trust like your mom?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You CAN NOT trust your mom. I know this is harsh, but you'll find that she is more on the side of Team Woman than you. She is incapable of understanding that your best interests are not the same as female best interests.

She is very likely to subtlely collude with the girl, to push you towards marriage and a low-risk low-reward mating strategy that matches her own.

For instance, you say "hey girl, what's your n-count again?" and your mother says "you can't ask a lady that!!!"

[–]Heinzdoofens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

XD I can see this happening.

[–]lumberjackinla 0 points1 point  (2 children)

wait you have best relationship with women with fathers absent - lol that is a hilarious statement. Studies have shown that stable family is required for normal growth of children. the misfits are always going to be there but the norm is that children that grow up with father and mother have better emotional management skills than those with single parents. abusive single parents are the worst.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

wait you have best relationship with women with fathers absent - lol that is a hilarious statement

This is my experience. Fuck knows why, it makes no sense to me. Maybe it's because my mother is fucked up that I get along best with girls whose fathers are absent/fucked up.

. Studies have shown that stable family is required for normal growth of children. the misfits are always going to be there but the norm is that children that grow up with father and mother have better emotional management skills than those with single parents. abusive single parents are the worst.

Totally agree on all points.

It doesn't make sense, but it is my experience.

[–]lumberjackinla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is possible. Boys who had abusive mom's or mom's who were emotionally unstable gravitate towards women who have unstable emotions. It feels familiar but these women have red flags all over them. Daddy less daughters are a bad choice

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Unknowable and unprovable.

Assuming you can't tell lies from truth. Assuming every girl is lying at all times is as silly as assuming she tells the truth all the time.

The only explanation I've got is that those with present/good fathers are sexually repressed and demand beta traits, and those without a strong father figure in life crave one and respect me accordingly.

I addressed this in the post. Present AND strong father/mother is best. Also, per your viewpoint, who knows if they cheated on you, since you're assumption is their loyalty (and anything else they say) is suspect.

Would also add "and doesn't cheat and branch-swing", but you're unlikely to know the truth here. Certainly if she's in a relationship when you first get with her, that's how your relationship will end too.


Red flag if it's regular (weekly or more).

I agree.

This is not a red flag, this is the end of the conversation and never seeing her again.

Lol yes.

Or........ do what you want, and don't give a fuck.

Eh, I've never met anyone who truly is "who cares about LTR's do what you want." Sounds nice on the internet, but I don't know a single guy who avoids and doesn't care about LTR's and I know scordes of awesome, high lay count, dominant guys. But okay.

It's not loyalty if she's sticking with her best option. That's simply selfish best interests. Loyalty would be sticking with you when you're NOT her best option, and that's not even worth hoping for.

Okay. Sure. Do the semantics matter? You know what I meant. But i guess this clarification helps bloops.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Assuming you can't tell lies from truth. Assuming every girl is lying at all times is as silly as assuming she tells the truth all the time.

Actually it's reasonable to assume that all women always lie to benefit their apparent SMV. This is reasonable because it's been proven true countless times.

Also, per your viewpoint, who knows if they cheated on you, since you're assumption is their loyalty (and anything else they say) is suspect

The bad relationships: I don't care if they cheated.

The good relationships were usually polyamorous, hence they definitely cheated.

"who cares about LTR's do what you want." Sounds nice on the internet, but I don't know a single guy who avoids and doesn't care about LTR's and I know scordes of awesome, high lay count, dominant guys. But okay.

I do not do exclusive LTRs.

Do the semantics matter? You know what I meant. But i guess this clarification helps bloops.

You get her to stick around by being her best option... but to me this isn't loyalty and I can't call it such. You can make anything work with anyone if you're their best way to do something. Doesn't mean they have any particular positive traits other than selfishness.

And I'm not saying selfishness is bad, I'm saying there is no such thing as loyalty from women in any way shape or form. As you say - it's just about being her best option.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You get her to stick around by being her best option

So, so much this. My second wife, I had to scrape her off like a barnacle. My last gf (with her longer than the 2nd wife), let's say I hung from a thread many times.....that's what happens when you date a smokeshow half your age, she has options.

I, frankly, prefer women with options than women who would be "loyal" to me.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Your zero sum bullshit might work in the religious world, which includes feminism, but in the real world it means fuck all.

You suck at logic and reason, and have a novice level understanding of girls. In terms you can comprehend, we're level 70, you are under level 10. That's not an argument from authority, that's simple fucking experience. Go kill boars in the forest to level up. Boars like the sex.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Assuming every girl is lying at all times is as silly as assuming she tells the truth all the time.

If she wants you to be her bf/husband/BB, she'll hide the truth on her own without you probing her first. Women know (perhaps even instinctually feel) that men dislike sluts, so fuck yes she will lie to you every time if she sets her eyes on the prize to hang on her Wall.

[–]Heinzdoofens 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The whole acting submissive and nice towards you is another facade to trap you. She will not just lie, she will completely change her behavior to suit you the first time you meet her.(This might be subconsicous)

This is why you can only judge a girl if you have spent enough time with her.

[–]harloss 1 points1 points [recovered]

Okay. Sure. Do the semantics matter? You know what I meant. But i guess this clarification helps bloops.

I would personally argue that it's very relevant here. "Loyalty" means that you stick with the person because no reason other than you are loyal to them. If they got cancer, got fat, lost their job and didn't shower for weeks, it takes "loyalty" to say. That's why "loyalty" is actually pretty illogical. Loyalty means making yourself less happy than you could be, so that your partner is more happy. Nobody does that

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But i guess this clarification helps bloops.

That's why I said this.

Even when i add clarifications, bloops fucking bloop.


[–]2Dmva100 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Don't enter into an LTR until you've slept with at least 20 women, AND have also had the experience of sleeping with 2-3 women on regular plate rotation.

Otherwise, you're going to get taken for a ride because your vetting process and expectations will still be forged from a scarcity/idealistic Blue Pill foundation. You can't effectively walk away and/Or lay down the law in an LTR and have frame control until you internalize how easily replaceable the poonhole is.

[–]forthegiggles1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You've hit the nail on the head. I cringe watching a few of my buddies in the dating scene because they have ZERO control. Every relationship i'm in I make it very clear there are certain rules that both her and I have to follow. I am laid back as hell but make it very clear that if any of these rules get broken I will be fucking a new girl within a week. It's the fear itself that actually keeps my relationships going and they are generally pretty good. If I wasn't in control I would never want a relationship. All my relationships are fun and laid back but if there are any slip ups I make it very clear she is gone. The girl I'm with now I literally found her the day after I left my last fuck buddy. I told her straight up that the last girl was getting distant and I wasn't being put on any back burner. As long as she doesn't fuck up she has nothing to worry about.

Sorry for my shit grammar i'm on only like 3 hours of sleep. Just thought you made a great point and wanted to add to this.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 23 points24 points  (9 children)

Damn, I trying not to laugh out loud at your drivel because my slut is on a conference call with her job.

To put it simply, you know fuck all. You found a so called unicorn and assume you know everything now. 4 years an incel and now you want to espouse your ideals to everyone else. Oh yes you know massive amounts about relationships, because you have a vast expertise based on experience. What. The. Fuck. Typical fucking kid.

I know I was the first inside my second wife. I popped out and yes it was obvious because I've fucked hundreds of sluts. Every time after that first one was like the others. She had none of your orange and red flag bullshit. Zero. I talked to her for five months before I popped her cherry, pushed her often to find out how she reacted to various things. After my first wife I knew exactly what to look for and what I did not want. So I tried to do what you're doing and vetted her ruthlessly.

She was 1500 miles away, I was active duty, we met through a mutual friend, so it took a while for me to get leave to go fuck her. Virgin, good family, takes care of her body, seriously all the good shit. She was all the good stuff and none of the bad.

7 years in we hit a small bump, but worked it out and got married just after 8 years. 16 months later we were divorced and she did everything wrong that the first one did, plus more. I've dated well over 200 girls from all over the world, Asia, Africa, Europe, and the States. From girls who grew up with wealthy families to those who grew up poor as fuck. Virgins to outright whores.

Get this through you're fucking heads. AWALT. Every fucking one of them is very capable of doing the same stupid shit, and blaming you for it. You can't be alpha enough to keep her, because what she wants changes all the fucking time. All you can do is not show weakness, never kiss her ass, always lead, and know that eventually she will go stupid and fuck things up.

I've been fucking this slut for 3 years now, she is in awe at me in every way. Mind blowing sex, an intellect that continues to astound and challenge her, heliosphere sized confidence, and she knows beyond any doubt that I can pull girls half my age with ease. I know it's all fleeting, it can end tonight on a whim. No problem with me, I'll replace her in less than a week when it happens. I live my life exactly how I write in here, and everyone who knows me in real life would tell you I say exactly the same shit all the time. She fucking loves the way I am. I'll enjoy it and fuck her as often as I can write it lasts, and not concern myself with the end at all, because I've already accepted it will happen.

This chick is purportedly low n count, very feminine, cooks for me, takes care of me when we're together, and craves getting fucked by me. Long distance, single mom, minority, and over 40... But she knows how difficult it is to find a man like me. That means she appreciates me, but I am under no illusions that if someone better comes along that bored her hair back, or if I drop in value of some sort, she's gone. She's welcome to go, I do not own her, I enjoy my time with her for as long as it's enjoyable. She isn't mine, it's only my turn, and in my case it's her turn as well.

The second point is happily ever after does not exist. Get that until death do is part religious bullshit out of your head, all it will do is fuck you up. Live by the morals you choose, and let it go when it's over. You know the adage make hay while the sun's shining? Yah I fuck them as much as possible while I can. If they're hot enough I take lots of pictures too...myriad reasons for the pics, but lots of them when she's one of the hotter girls.

Relationships have a life span like everything else. Understand that. You do not own her, she does not own you. If she is nuts or something, next. This isn't a lifetime tv show, it's not a fairy tale, it's fucking reality. AWALT. Know it.

[–]Heinzdoofens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AWALT. Just like you want to fuck as many girls as you want, they too want and will. It is better to know the truth when you are fucking a hoe than you being prude about it. At least she will be herself. Sluts treat you much better since they can compare you to every other guy. A slut will also have a lower barrier for breakage in frame as she would've seen enough frame breaks.

No one purposefully becomes a slut.

A slut was a virgin once. AWALT

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when did i say i found a unicorn? lol. l2read. of course she could cheat. nothing is a certainty. im talking percentages

[–]TheBloodEagleX 1 points1 points [recovered]

Sadly there's plenty of folks on here who cheer at ruining a girl with those Green flags, even if they're commited, cuz you know, "just being an amoral bro", and then come on here to say AWALT. I don't know what to really give a shit about anymore.

[–]BokehClasses 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not at women though

But women are the gatekeepers of sex since rape has become outlawed. So the guys who ruin these girls are doing it with the girl's blessing. No one forces her to open her legs.

So... it turns out that she wasn't a good girl after all.

If Chad doesn't fuck her out of his good morals, then Chad#2 will be there to take his place. If a girl is committed to opening her legs, it's going to happen regardless.

The problem with this sub is that it doesn't blame women for anything. It blames men way too much.

  • You need to lift and hold frame

  • If you still can't get pussy, lift more and hold more frame (it's definitely not your genetics bro)

  • If she cheats you didn't hold enough frame

  • If you did hold frame, then you didn't improve your SMV enough. Lift more FAGGOT!

  • It's not her fault, her hypergamy and polygamy are biologically wired

I also go back into the anger phase sometimes. Personally I'm praying that rocketman sends the nukes.

[–]1ozaku7 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I find this sex-love association theory to be kind of whack. I was with a low n-count girl and she has seperated sex from love, while the one who had 5 times many partners actually showed it through sex and many other acts so much better. She was actually more reasonable, more mature, great to hang out with.

You have down wild animalistic fucking, and you have lovemaking, which are in my eyes 2 completely different experiences. One comes from the itch in the groin, the other comes from feels.

[–]whuttupfoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously. I would take a girl with a count higher than 6 any day. At a certain age 23-25+ any girl who's got a 6 count or less is simply a loser or ugly as hell.

[–]1ozaku7 7 points8 points  (1 child)

As you said, you can't win by getting a virgin. First of all, the sex will be pretty boring, second, once she gets the taste of one dick, she wonders how the rainbow of dicks tastes like. A friend of mine talked about her friend, whom it bothered that her BF had several partners and she only had him, and she is wondering how it is to have sex with other men. Because here's the thing. It's not difficult for women, it's an adventure for them, it just itches. They want to have their cake and eat it too. The moment that they break up will be the moment when she will head for the cockercoaster.

[–]Heinzdoofens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It helps if the girl is bluepill.

[–]Hjalmbere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Protips if you’re considering a serious LTR:

-What does her mom look like? If she aged well, chances are your LTR will.

-When you’re at her place, be on the lookout for long overdue bills. You don’t want to be in a relationship with someone who’s got a spending problem.

-When you’re at her place, check her bathroom medicine cabinet for anti-anxiety meds etc. If she’s on lithium, run.

-Is she constantly badmouthing her ex? Forget about it. She’s either a negative person, or just not over him. Don’t be an emotional tampon, find another chick.

[–]Frenchy100 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah dude, you lost me at shrooms and lsd. Those are not really associated with being liberal anymore, in fact, most of the people I know who do them are very right winged

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

For guys it's different. I've done every drug under the sun. For girls, red flag. But whatever floats your boat

[–]-hearts- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why is it different for girls?

[–]captainpixystick 1 points1 points [recovered]

  • Socially competent

  • Conservative

  • Traditional

  • Young

  • Isn't too nerdy but still smart

  • Feminine

  • Wants to have children

  • Low partner count

  • Not an alcoholic

  • Not an SJW

  • Not a partier

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't know a single beautiful girl who doesn't use social media. And the few cute ones I know who don't are fucking hippies. What you need to watch for is if they post sexy pics or beautiful pics. Conservative outfits and poses (inb4 THEY'RE ALL SLUTS AND FUCK 10 CHADS A WEEK IF THEY HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA RE3EEEEE). My girl posts a lot on insta cuz she's a girl. Always classy shit. Every girl is obsessed with attention. theyre women.

As for rap, hmmm. I've found that girls who are too ethno-centric are also those most prone to rebel. There's conservative and there's being insular. Extremes usually are a bad sign.

Eventually every woman leaves if you're weak. the question is if you're a in a funk of "this sucks but I'll get through it" or you're a "im finished" kind of guy who gives up. why would she stay with you if you're not even for you? that's not her job.

[–]doctorlw 4 points5 points  (2 children)

There are no generalized green flags / red flags. Whatever you like is whatever you like.

A girl with a partner count of less than 20 to me, is a girl who hasn't lived her life enough and is unlikely to meet my standards for fun. Also, a partner count of 6 or less is just insanely low and I would be concerned with their social skills. Likewise, a girl that doesn't drink is completely incompatible with me.

There are only two things that matter when choosing you a girlfriend:

1) Do you like her company?

2) Can she interact well with other men (in a social and business sense). These are women that can help you meet your goals in life, they are rare and this quality is worthy of girlfriend / wife status.

[–]mhleonard 1 points1 points [recovered]

Is it an issue that this seems like heavy double standard?

If we work towards sleeping with multiple girls and being all abundant with girls. Why is it that the LTR girls we go for can't have a past like that?

Cause it seems as though the green flag girls are all goody Christian girls. And it seems like double standard to expect them to behave in a certain way.

This is something that's been on my mind for a while, whether to go for green flag girls, or have fun before settling down with all the orange flag girls.

[–]clammastak 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It is 100% supposed to be a double standard...because a key that can open many locks is a "master key" but a lock that can be opened by many keys is what would be considered a "shitty lock".

[–]APSTNDPhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbfh a man having a high n should be a red flag for a girl (even though they like it because of social proof). Old habits die hard. For men or women.

[–]Marl_MGTOW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Very comprehensive - you've really thought about this, and your work will have the function of protecting you - exemplary

[–]RedSaturday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The caffeine is your coffee is more toxic to your body than Psilocybin mushrooms and acid is also really hard to OD on. Harder than weed. Psychedelics are a different class of drug.

[–]doctorcoolpop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Question: Which would you like better, the woman who can manage money and kids, or the one who can play concert piano, has a math degree, and dances ballet? Answer: The one with big tits

[–]brinkleybuzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What Traits Should You Look For In a Potential Girlfriend?

I'm a simple man, so I have only three traits, tested and proven over time, that I look for:

  1. Does she pass the boner test.
  2. Is she not a drama queen.
  3. Does she treat me like a fucking king.

As long as she demonstrates these traits, she may have the opportunity to be my girl.

Most of the rest is either noise or largely unknowable.

[–]macaroon18 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Associating love with sex is deluded. Why would you want a delusional girl? Cheating is only cheating within strict monogamy which is a finite game and unatural. Another version of loyalty could be radical honesty - choosing to talk about everything that comes up no matter how uncomfortable in an effort to keep the game going.

[–]APSTNDPhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah tried this. They'll still 'cheat', by lying.

[–]Nydusurmainus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absent/Abusive Mother/Father:

This should never be a deal breaker, people grow and become independent in these situations often. My wife has been through a mother that nightly beat the shit out of her and locked her out side and a father that abandoned her. Yes you are correct, there are some problems sometimes with how they react to certain situations but otherwise she is as hard as nails.

It all depends on the person.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For any serious relationship I look for n<4 generally being 1 to 3 LTRs. Of course, you can never really know if she got fucked 10 times in between each LTR so you have to get to know her and trust in your own judgment.

Political and religious conservatives tend to have more clearly defined gender roles, although there can be exceptions. Liberals tend to raise Strong, Confident WomenTM or Girls Gone Wild.

To each his own, but I don't do drugs and don't tolerate it with women I intend on spending quality time rather than a P&D. I ama bit of a hypocrit when it comes to alcohol. I will drink on evenngs and weekends or with friends but my policy for the last several years is to never drink around women. Ok, maybe share a bottle of wine but that is about it. So I much prefer it if she doesn't drink when I am not around, and certainly not get loaded when we are together.

Happy and beautiful sort of go without saying. WRT the former nobody wants a partner who is constantly whining about their life.

Ambitious girls are a lot of work and they will dump you the minute you slip up. If her second income is important to you, then go for it, but there is a non-monetary cost to this.

Party girls with a large network of friends are fun for a fling and can open doors to business contacts, but they tend to be terrible LTR prospects. They are a bit too social and have many more opportunities to cheat on you or branch swing. Same same with the ones who have the travel bug. Unless you hand cuff yourself to them and travel together, it is just temptation writ large.

Her relationship with her parents will tell you a lot but it's not conclusive. A twist on this is if she has a sibling that she is basically jealous of, or that her parents favour. IME I have seen this with younger sisters who were objectively hotter, and with younger brothers where the parents wanted a son.

BPD can be hard to spot and first, and the terrible thing is that they are impulsive and form emotional bonds quickly (and inappropriately). So the hot chick who is super into you and gives you crazy sex within hours of meeting raises as many red flags as green. Maybe it's love at first sight, maybe you are just so fuckin' alpha and in the groove, or maybe she is batshit crazy.

[–]CptFizz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Smoking weed is a red flag for me.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

As a white male, my check sheet is as follows, I value my sexual health and monetary status over any bitch and don't give a fuck if I'm not spinning plates or fucking hoes constantly, I did that in the past got HPV and almost died at 18.

2 NO psychotic medications or SSRIs, these are crazy bitches who can't mentally handle their own emotions (AKA MY LAST GF at 19, trust me DO NOT fucking do it) Prozac, Lithium, any fucking SSRI is no go, fucking run even ADHD can be bad my man you want a mentally STABLE woman. That's why I say, most chicks are not LTR material if you want it to last a life time.

3 Must be financially responsible *OVER DUE BILLS/BAD CREDIT IS A NO! have goals OTHER THAN being MATERIALISTICALLY Rich, Does she want to Travel and explore? Do you? Do you want a second home? Do you want freedom of your time? Think about it, if the chiropractor ain't crackin backs, the fucker ain't making money, while the realtor or property renter is making money while he sleeps.

4 Have Virtues and Ethics, I don't date women unless they pass the ethics, which is watching how they treat men or women who do not do anything for them. (Cashier or holding the door for someone, small things really define someones character.)

5 Must not have a history with gangsters/drug dealers/ any other illegal baggage, hence if she is a "Good Girl with a low count" she will most likely not associate with any of these things.

6 Party girls I say no, women are basically grown children they can be trusted with very little.

7 No tattoos/piercings anywhere near pussy or breast or face, if she has tattoos 1 but I hate tats, (low selfesteem/morals)

8 want a girl thats a homebody not trying to always go out and be spontaenous 24/7 (last gf) , when you are first starting to build wealth the bitch will drain your balls and proceed to drain your account.

PERSONALLY I will not even kiss a girl unless she gets STD tested (I'll pay) , you have to have a very good immune system to combat HPV which mostly everyone has because if you don't you will get Oral Cancer (Gardasil doesn't do shit only covers 10 out of 80 strains of HPV)

You are both adults, have respect for yourself first and don't act like a instinctual primate who can't control his urges and has to fuck slutty bitches. STDS are NOT WORTH IT, if she has one NEXT. They add stress to your life, cause pain and some can be lifelong, practice safe sex /u/hector_castilo

9 IS THE BITCH ADDICTED to social media? Does she have social media? Who are her friends? All of this is EXTREMELY Important, the people you hang out with determine who the fuck you are and your values, I don't have a lot of friends (I did in the past) because I am 20 and everyone is out doing drugs/sluttying it up, I lived that life style to the max freshman year of college. I am focusing on myself FIRST, my FUTURE/Mission DO NOT FOLLOW THE HERD!!!!!! (PEOPLE ON TRP have drifted away, that is why they are here)

10 - As you keep jumping hurdles, getting STD tests with a girl you think can fit that criteria of being a compatible LTR, MEET HER PARENTS, Psychoanalyze everything from the interactions with her and her father, does she love him and fall in his frame? How does the mother treat her father, is she the alpha?

Here's an old sales trick/relationship trick my dad taught me, When you go into the house/get comfortable, ask for a glass of water. Whoever gets the glass of water, the mother or the father is a good indicator of seeing who is the slave, the master will make the slave or weaker person automatically get the water, women if they are traditional and submissive and not afflicted by feminism will naturally get it first since they are the maiden of the house.

1 She must care about her health, must have a low body count less than 5 and ASSOCIATE sex with BP feelings of LOVE. I don't like Inter-racial shit for LTR's I find it ain't a right fit, I just dated a cherokee girl and her parents were fucking nuts. Stick to your race if you wanna have kids so they can identify with you (MY OWN OPINION) If i had a kid with a black woman the difference in skin would not help to facilitate bonding. Children need to identify with their parents.

ending statement

I hope that you enjoyed my comment, if there's anything I missed feel free to message/reply. I am fairly conservative with my life, I think health is #1 in all aspects and you should really practice good SEXUAL health, nothing worse than getting an STD like Herpes or HIV. To be honest, don't listen to people like /u/Frendo223 a lot of these men have been defiled by women and have created a stigma in their minds that ALL (universally) are unfaithful.

if you hold frame, have high SMV and constantly use her Hypergamy to your advantage, you will easily be able to keep her for AS LONG AS YOU WANT if you keep putting in the work, be alpha. No one will leave a good thing as long as the bitches needs are met, but I really advocate that you don't fuck sluts because of HPV specifically and other STDs.

Good luck bro and remember #TRAIN YOUR BITCH LOOK UP PAVLOV's DOG AND USE IT!!! Reward good behavior with rewards, Bad behavior take away rewards/attention. YOU OWN THIS HECTOR GO GET EM KILLER!!!!


[–]Dead__Hand 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Dude wtf with the Hulk size font. Calm down.

[–]sumethreuaweiei 0 points1 point  (1 child)

1) how do you train a chick? withholding attention/affection won't make you look butt hurt?

2) I'm a colored dude. Sorry to say but my dick only goes up for white women. Am I fucked? Idk about children yet tbh, stats: 19/barely 6ft/145 lb

3) how did you not kill your self after catching something? I haven't gotten intimate with a chick at all but that shit scares the fuck out of me

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like the most important quality is that you trust her (not just sexually, but you trust that she's ok your side emotionally and she won't use what you say against you or try to manipulate you). Also that she turns you on sexually and is willing to experiment.

A good rule I have is if you wouldn't want to be friends with this person if there's no sex on the table you shouldn't be dating her.

I don't get the obsession with virgins and 20 year old chicks. I don't think I would enjoy hanging out with a 20 year old (besides the sex).

[–]heshpacebull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Want to make a quick note that there is no grey area with BPD/NPD/Psychopath/Sociopath (Cluster B) women. If you meet one, fall in Love, and find out she is ANY of these, run for your fucking life. I️ dated an NPD for a year and a half (obviously naive about that fact at the time) and who had me dangerously close to suicide. I️t sounds like I️ts something that wouldn’t happen to you, but be aware and educate yourself.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

none. you shouldn't get a girlfriend. If you do, just pick one with a low partner count and strong moral and don't put your hopes up too high.

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That's almost exactly what the fuck I said. jfc

[–]iamez221 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally agree with what you are saying. Anyways I need your opinion on something.

100% agree a girl who once cheated on a boyfriend is a red flag. But what about a girl who had Sex with a guy she knew was in a relationship while she wasn't? I'm struggling to find an answer on what it tells about her loyalty.

[–]BokehClasses 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One sexual partner is one too many for an LTR. You are just setting yourself up for failure.

You can plate her, but no LTRs if she's not a virgin. No hymen, no commitment.

OP, you found a virgin, good for you. Just remember to never ever marry her or any other woman.

[–]muscleg33k 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do u say about women in the late 30s/low 40s that never been married nor has kids?

[–]sd4c 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Look at the chick's dad. He look happy? You will be. He miserable? That's gonna be you. Gone? Either the mother-witch drove him away, or he ran off screaming. Is he dead? You get the picture.

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

sometimes guys can fucking suck because they suck. it's not always the woman. guys can be horrible/depressed people

[–]sd4c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women don’t attach themselves, much less allow themselves to be impregnated by, horrible/depressed people. This is obvious by the fact that there are many non-horrible, non-depressed men who cannot find a date (much less a spouse).

If he’s horrible or depresssed, he didn’t enter the relationship that way. It happened while he was with her, which indicates she’s likely a responsible contributor.

Again, look at her dad. If he’s miserable, you will be also. If he’s out of the picture, you will be also. There are literally zero exceptions to this, in all of human history, ever.

[–]redpilledjoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Late to the party, but how do you get these things out of women without them lying about it/sounding like a blue pill fag? Like I don't feel like I can just ask her if she's ever cheated on anybody. Or how many guys shes fucked. What do you do? Do you just let her spill the beans slowly over time? What if she doesn't

[–]redpilledjoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

man this girl hits every green flag on that list.. except i slept with her on the first date. i wanna just fucking ask her out lmao. i have a feeling she isn't pushing hard for commitment because she's afraid i'll get scared off.

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sleeping with her on 1st date isnt bad. It's whether or not thats a trend of hers. If its not, then you're an uber-stud in her eyes. King of kings for getting her so fast despite her difficulty. Dont ask her to be a GF just keep seeing her enough that she assumes you two are together.

[–]buttgoogler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Serious question though, how do you know real female F-count? There's a 3x theory and just from my own experience, women never tell the trugh (neither do I, but whatever).

[–]cantgetaworden 1 points1 points [recovered]

21F, nearly all red pill theory is horrifying to me but this is just ridiculous. Doing shrooms once is a red flag?

[–]clammastak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consume redpill with some skepticism. A lot of posts are biased with one-time personal experience, rather than an accumulation of knowledge. There is some (actually quite a lot) validity to this post but not absolute.

[–]Muk1st 1 point2 points  (6 children)

If she lets you spit in her mouth and does what the fuck you say and when you say it, she’s good enough to stick around as long as you still want her around.

Edit: Spelling

[–]fetchyminx 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Why did this get downvoted

[–]iLLprincipLeS 1 points1 points [recovered]

Whenever there's some red flags post it gets heavily brigaded by ugly fat reddit whores. Females hate men being able to identify them correctly as the female trash that they are.

[–]Muk1st 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also this post smells of BETA Cuck, you got learning to do still.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your color coding is workable and effective to the extent that it helps to identify issues and to whittle down positive characteristics to easily identifiable categories. It's good for guys who are "new to the Dating Game."

I'm more inclined to push "cigarette-smoker" to the Orange Flag Category. Any substance such as drugs, alcohol, or cigarettes is a big issue for health-conscious folks. Depending on use - that stuff does a lot of physical and internal damage. It's cute when young, but not a good look at later ages.

…virgins are the hardest (usually [difficult to bed])…but she also does become more curious

I chalk this up to modern culture and the hookup mentality. Most virgins go through a lot of trouble to guard their "purity" and it seems foolish to become a slut simply out of curiosity. A lot of times it’s generally their girlfriends convincing them they "missed out." If she’s easily influenced by other sluts, you have a problem.

People forget that less than a half-century ago, promiscuity was a death blow to landing a Good Man. Society is now at the point where men are convinced by feminists and "independent women" that promiscuity doesn’t matter – it matters.

I like this: Find the right girl for the job.

I will add that she must earn the position every day - especially if she's want to become a wife to a Good Man. If a woman wants your time, effort, love, devotion, loyalty, and access to your resources, she has to put forth her best effort EVERY DAY.

Most women have no problem telling men their long list of expectations and requirments. It’s fair and compulsory to demand reciprocal effort from women as well.

[–]MrTrizzles 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Stop thinking about them - YOU are not ready for an LTR. Worrying about "breaking frame" is beginner level shit and your relationships will almost certainly fail. You def need to mature more. I know that sounds harsh but search your feelings.

[–]Solipsistic_guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really like this post ! I’ve always LTRed girls who didn’t like to party or drink. I myself don’t do either and it was great until I had to move away to further my career.

The power games were minimum. They were very homely, nurturing and sex was fulfilling. The good and bad part both is that such chicks are hard to find !

Add limited social media presence to that list !

[–]2chazthundergut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're missing an important Green Flag. She needs to be sexually available to you and extremely eager to please you.

If a girl is not fucking you EXACTLY the way you want her to, and as OFTEN as you'd like, then find someone else. And don't bother trying to talk her into more/better sex. You can physically lead her to open up sexually, but if she isn't literally dripping with genuine desire for you then by NO MEANS make her your girlfriend.

[–]Doomtrack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have 2 rules i follow. 1: Must be able to be good friends when we are not doing relationship stuff. 2: I must be attracted to her personality.

[–]1StuttBuffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good list, but I would move pot/tobacco smoking to solid red flag territory. Stoners typically prioritize weed above everything else in ther life and are insufferable unless you also smoke. And at least in the states, there are enough girls that don't smoke cigarettes that you don't have to tolerate it. I use to date a cigarette smoker who was also a vegetarian, and it was a gross pain in the ass.

[–]cafeitalia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a woman cooks for you cleans after you when she comes to your house and does it with heart and then when you tell her to lick your asshole she does it, then you got the girl. No need to overthink this shit much.

[–]chim_city 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"and doesn't cheat and branch-swing"


  • She cheats, she just doesn't consider it cheating.

  • It's not cheating for women, if it's an upgrade.

  • They will always be looking for an upgrade. (AWALT Hypergamy)

[–]iLLprincipLeS 1 points1 points [recovered]

Some red flags I noticed over time:


  • has tattoos/colored hair/piercings

  • wears hipster makeup/clothes

  • is/was fat

  • is/was depressed

  • takes medication

  • is a single mother

  • likes anime/kpop or board games/comics/harry potter

  • plays serious video games

  • had more than 2 partners

  • doesn't visit beauty salon weekly

  • doesn't go to the gym

  • likes to travel/traveled/studied abroad

  • feminist/supportive of LGBT/equality

  • does/did volunteer work

  • vegan

  • atheist

  • has/had male friends

  • was raped or mentions more than once that she was sexually abused

  • was/is bullied at school

  • was/is bullied at work

  • hates to cook

  • expects free things/gifts

  • loves to party

  • likes to drink

[–]clammastak 11 points12 points  (1 child)

How is doing volunteer work a red flag? That demonstrates a strong value of caring for others and society

[–]MavRP 9 points10 points  (1 child)

likes anime/kpop or board games/comics/harry potter
doesn't visit beauty salon weekly
doesn't go to the gym

What??? These are not red flags.

[–]Solipsistic_guy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can you elaborate more on these points ? Seems everyone these days has tattoos...also what’s up with beauty salons and gyms ?

[–]banjew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have a LTR that has

1) Colored hair

2) Feminist/suports LGBT

But she's the most red-pilled girl I know. Things she say will make many of you blush. And she really hate 3rd wave feminist, even if she's a feminist.

So, not all of this are red flags.

[–]enkae7317 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Solid guide. Great to see a relationships portion of perspective change around here.

[–]n8dawwg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I had to stop reading after point 1. "Make sure she is faithful" Bro...... she is not your girl, it's just your turn.

[–]jamesbwbevis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. willing and able to cook
  2. expects nothing of me or the relationship
  3. attractive enough for me to want to fuck her.


[–]hodltaco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't go off of the list I used for my first marriage. It will end miserably. The list is as follows:

  1. Huge tits
  2. Huge tits
  3. Huge tits

I was kidding, wished it did work though. It does work REALLY well for casual dating though.

[–]Wilreadit -4 points-3 points  (0 children)







These are the blacklist entries

[–]Sunnydaysonmymind -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tells me the truth and offers constructive criticism. If your spouse can't be totally honest it's never going to work

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