LTRYou will get burned. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by avngr

I know a lot of you guys here think that you know what it means to put the pussy on the pedestal.

I know you think you’ve seen some shit in your life.

I know you think that you are armed and ready and it will never happen to you.

You think because you’ve read all the blogs, books, listened to all the podcasts and spun some plates that you will be spared.

I thought so too.

You will get burned, it will hurt like hell, and you will never see it coming.

You will do it to yourself. Depending on how strong you are, it will happen in a month or it will happen in 6 but it will happen.

Here are some things I’ve learned and I will keep in mind. Decide for yourself.

Never try an LTR with the hottest girl you’ve ever been with. This will fuck you and it is an absolutely awful place to start off. You will subconsciously use this to justify every little fucking thing that is wrong with this girl. The pussy will blind you. She absolutely cannot be the hottest girl you have been with. They either all have to be as hot as her or better. If you have been fucking with a bunch of 6-7s and you some how manage to land a 9, fucking watch out. You are not ready for this. You got a 9 because of all the work you put into yourself and maybe you got lucky (probably). Let the first 9 you get go, be okay with telling her to bounce. Put yourself through that. The time in the gym, the time reading, the time working. This girl will be your first real test and you are going to fail. She will test you harder and more viciously than any girl before her. The only way to win is to not play. Let the first girl go. Depending on the girl, not doing this could end horrendously for you. It will undo years of self improvement and growth in a matter of months, like it did for me. Soon you will look back and wonder how the fuck you ended up where you are. You will look back at every little compromise that you made. Every one of your rules that you broke, every discipline that you ignored. You will hear the words “You are not the same guy I fell for” come out of your soon to be ex’s mouth and it will fucking hurt. It will hurt because you did it for her.

If her relationship history, with her previous boyfriends or family, bothers you in the slightest - bail You will find a million and half fucking reasons to justify her behavior and her circumstances in life ( refer point number 1). Don’t do it. It’s such a slippery god damn slope. It will just compound into letting her get away a myriad of poor actions and behaviors. Once you start ignoring all the alarms going off in your head at this level, everything else that follows will go completely unnoticed. There are other girls who don’t have these problems. Keep that shit in mind. You don’t need to justify any of this shit. She is not special. She is not the one. There are others with half the fucking baggage. Go find them. Pay attention to her relationship with her father and family. When she talks about her father, listen very fucking closely. Pay close attention to how she treats the people in her family and how she behaves around them. If she treats them like shit, she’s going to end up treating you like shit eventually too. Here is a standard I wish I had followed : From what you know about her dad, is he admirable? (do you respect him?) No? Fucking bail. Yea yea a percentage of girls will turn out fine despite their daddy issues. You will not meet those girls. You are not that lucky.

If you are trying to date a model: your shit better be on fucking LOCK. Your game and you needs to be one person. It better a part of who you are. Fake it till you make it? Yea, no. If you’re dating a girl with enough dudes around her trying to slide in, you better be ready for a constant battle. The better you get, the harder your competition gets. The stronger you are, the harder the fights you have to fight. It’s like getting drafted into the NBA out of college and going up against LeBron. Yea you got in but you’re not ready. Is it worth it? Not in my experience. You have to justify and rationalize a bunch of shit. Putting this bitch on the pedestal is more like you dig the ground out around here. That’s what it feels like. Not picking her up and putting her somewhere. It’s like you dig yourself a hole around her and soon you’re looking up as she’s standing over you on a mountain you built for her.

A girl that is in love you will stay with you through absolutely anything and will not notice anything wrong about you . You better know exactly what you like and what you don’t like. You better know exactly who you are. There are alcoholics who beat their girlfriends and crack heads that steal money from their wives but these women will never leave them. Why?

Because love is naive as fuck and crack head has an insane confidence in his habit. It’s more important to a girl to be okay with what they feel than to understand why they feel what they feel.

Men have to justify to themselves why they should commit. If you have any semblance of self respect and value, you will notice a bunch of shit that you can rather do without before you commit yourself to a girl. Depending on where you are, it might take you months or even years to be okay with some of this shit.

Just make sure you’re not wavering on some important values that are core to your beliefs and that you are doing it for the right woman. Talk to people who have been together for a long time. Refer back to your culture and your heritage. Get wisdom. Be willing to walk away. Women need to justify why they shouldn’t love you. They feel first, think second and often never until they stop feeling. A girl that is in love with you will be suggesting ways to make things better. The moment that she starts pointing things out that she doesn’t like, NOTICE IT.

This moment is crucial. There will be a moment in your relationship when things start going from “let’s do this” to “why are you like this”. You’re already loosing her or you’ve already lost her at this point. You’re instincts will be to listen to her and try to change the things about you that she says is bothering her. DO NOT DO IT. Do not start to change now. This will be a defining moment in you relationship and will determine the ensuing shit storm. Do not fucking budge. If you change, you loose. Be prepared to stand by the things you believe in and the values you hold because if you fail this test, she will loose respect. Be prepared to stand by who you are at the expense of your relationship with this girl. If you are in any combination of the first 3 points, you are fucked. Everything this girl tells you will become the be all end all.

Younger guys reading this , 18-25, still trying on personalities, trying to figure out who you are. YOU are not ready for a long term relationship. You have to know who you are and what you stand for without a shadow of a doubt before you can start to lead a relationship with a woman.

A relationship to me is like driving a car with your partner as the passenger. Only the passenger is pure fucking chaos giving you all the wrong fucking directions but you have to make her feel involved some how. She has no idea what she believes in but she believes so strongly about the things she feels strongest about that trying to argue with her will be almost impossible. You have to be strong enough to put your hand into the chaos and guide it through, without being consumed by it. To do that, you need an absolute, concrete personality.

She is scared, she will look to you to know what to do even though she yells and screams that she knows what she’s doing. This is why girls will tell you that they love and will stay with you for ever and then be over that shit the next day. Only men keep their word. Women’s word is attached to their emotions. If she said she’ll never lie to you, what she meant was she’ll never lie to you as long as she feels the same way she does about you, in that moment. She will be the absolute test of your morals, your values and your personality. Stand up for yourself. To do that, you need to be okay with the fact that it might mean loosing her.

Do not accept extravagant gifts from your girl . You will find yourself using this as an excuse as to why you should compromise on your values and what you want from the relationship. If you feel like the gift is something that will put you an awkward position, take it in the moment but talk to her and return it later. Spend that money on something together. It will save you a lot of heartache in the future. The more extravagant the gift, they more you feel guilty over pissing her off or doing something she doesn’t like. It’s a fucking trap. It’s a gift you never asked for but the guilt trip she will put you through will make you feel like it was.

There has to be a part of your life that she is never allowed to be part of. She is not your best friend. She is not a guy. You have to keep a part of yourself from coming in contact with the chaos. Regularly keep some of your time to engage with other men in things that she is not allowed to participate in. It could be where you work out or poker night. She’s not allowed. It will keep you sane and stop your perception of your life from getting warped. The more involved she is, the more warped your perception of the magnitude of her importance, the higher the pedestal you will put her on. Keep reminding yourself that you were fine before she got here and you will be fine when she’s gone.

Let her be jealous. She will bitch and fucking moan about the other girls that you interact with especially if she has low self esteem. Do not fucking listen. Drop the hammer, you do what you want and you talk to who you want. It’s not your fault if she can’t handle it. Do not pander to that shit, do not put that pussy on a pedestal. Go out and do it. Meet other girls, keep your game fresh. Your work never ends. Your training never ends. The better you get, the better you have to get.

Do not stand for disrespect. Know what you stand for and what you like. Anything that she does that goes against that is disrespect and you shall not and will not stand for it. Make it known, if she has any sort of firm grounding in her own beliefs, she might actually walk away from you. If not, you have everything to gain by telling your girl to shut the fuck up and sit down.

In reality gentlemen, this will probably fucking happen to you anyway. You will get burned if you already haven’t. Don’t let it get you down. Men can make it through anything.

If you meet the right kind of self destructive girl with no discipline, low self esteem in the right place where you don’t get to interact with other women, where she is the hottest thing around, this will fucking happen to you. You will start thinking how lucky you are because all the other thirsty fuckers around you will be telling you that. You will get blinded by the pussy. It won’t matter how fucking strong you are. If you let your guard down, you will get fucked.

Don’t for a second assume that a woman wants to maintain your relationship. She will do everything in her power to make sure that you are the man she thinks she deserves and every woman thinks she deserves a fucking god and it gets worse as they demand for them increases. She is a trojan horse. The biggest threat to your relationship is your girl. I happen to live in a socialist shit hole where hot women are actually unicorns. I got fucked in what I imagine is the worst combination of situations that a man can have to deal with. I would consider myself a strong man. I built myself up with discipline and strength over years and it took this woman a little over 6 months to tear it down. I started smoking, eating like absolute shit, not getting enough sleep, spending money I didn’t have. I crashed my car and missed out on work.

Never compromise on your values and discipline. To do that, find your base. Find those values that you absolutely believe and know to make you a better man. Unfortunately you may have to go through such an experience to know who you really are and what really matters to you. Men can make it through anything. That’s what makes us men. Think of all the great men that Cleopatra fucked over. Elon Musk got divorced to the same woman twice. Don’t sweat it too much. Remember, this happens to the best of us.

Keep moving forward. You will be better off for this experience. You got burned but you will heal and scars are cool as fuck.

[–]williesmokes 150 points151 points  (30 children)

Abundance mentality nullifies all of this. For some people it just clicks, I realized one day that I just don't give a fuck. I'm in a LTR. Love her. If something goes wrong, it goes wrong. My life doesn't change critically (Don't live together). Things will continue to roll forward. No feeling burned. I'll just go back to doing me.

[–]beachbbqlover 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is the real answer. I've been married and with the same woman now for 10 years. The trick is to know from the beginning that she isn't yours for keeps. She'll leave eventually, and that's okay.

But every day we spend together is nice. I got cuddles this morning, and she made my breakfast.

But I don't care about all of this LTR bullshit and rules simply because of abundance mentality. Makes life easy.

[–]fade2clear 34 points35 points  (10 children)

This is the real answer. I've been married and with the same woman now for 10 years. The trick is to know from the beginning that she isn't yours for keeps. She'll leave eventually, and that's okay.

As a TRP newcomer, the idea of having to think that way about someone you marry is so fucked up. It's honestly hard to grasp at first, but I totally agree with what you said. It's just a sobering thought.

The blue pill koolaid is pretty damn strong, and realizing how society has glorified marriage and the unicorn narrative so much...

[–]throwaway94895 1 points1 points [recovered]

It's the right answer, though. Whether you think it's fucked up or not.

Paradoxically, being truly, genuinely prepared to shrug about it if (when) you lose her because you've been hurt before and there are plenty of women without her hangups and you'll be just fine, is the best way to keep her around. There's something very Zen about it.

And also, is it really fucked up if it works and gives you both a truly happy relationship?

Every successful LTR that I've ever had, I have at some point told her "if you don't like it, there's the door". And MEANT it. Like REALLY MEANT it.

[–]fade2clear 4 points5 points  (6 children)

No doubt it's true, I fully accept it. I just think it's fucked up that we have to have a "safety net" mentality in the first place. Doesn't make it any less real though. Human nature is pretty fucked up so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It just goes against the grain of what marriage has been built up to be and what I've been force fed for years.

[–]AwakenedSovereign 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Good. Embrace that feeling. That's your inner beta screaming at you as you unlock the shackles.

Try this one on for size, courtesy of my cheating ex-gf.

Monogamy is a lie. All of it. Always. Period. Make you flinch? GOOD. Own it. Cut that illusion out of your life and laugh all the way to the bank as your beta insides twist and change.

[–]fade2clear 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks man I needed that.

That's exactly whats happening to me. I'll be glad when the beta is fully exhumed from within.

[–]AwakenedSovereign 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It doesn't work like that. The beta will always be there. Just like an ex-smoker will sometimes feel a twinge.

You'll be winning at life and then do something beta without even thinking about it and go "really? I just did that? I know better.."

You can never kill your demons, all you can do is learn to live with them and keep them locked up where they belong.

[–]marplaneit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The problem is when she leaves she is going to take 50% all of your hardworking shit.

[–]reddit_sucks6 7 points8 points  (7 children)

I got cuddles this morning. +24 points

Jesus christ trp has changed.

[–]beachbbqlover 1 points1 points [recovered]

Aww, did you need me to talk like I fuck'n'chuck to be cool?

[–]behindtheline40 1 point2 points  (1 child)

love and affection are good. Take it when it's genuine and don't think of it as a guarantee.

[–]reddit_sucks6 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't need you to talk like anything.

What I can do is point out that is possibly the gayest thing I've ever read other than when two guys gave each other aids by having intercourse with each other.

P.S. - Hope you get all the cuddles you desire, also tell your wife I said hi.

[–]beachbbqlover 1 points1 points [recovered]

So edgy. Try not to cut yourself just so you can feel.

[–]reddit_sucks6 1 points1 points [recovered]

hahaha at least I don't use reddit as some sort of pseudo therapy, but of course the trades don't pay well enough to afford a real therapist does it? Keep posting in the depression subreddit, maybe you'll finally figure out your shitty life and realize the only way out is indeed suicide.

[–]dzkkne 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Man, can absolutely 100% second that.

I have only discovered TRP now (26) and have been in an LTR from age 17 to 25. Amazing experience, loved her a lot. But, I always had a view that I enjoy the relationship but if it is going to go wrong it's fine - basically I knew I can lose her or she can lose me. Boom - we broke up last year (she fucked up). Because of my mindset, it only took me 2-3 months max to recover to a good level where I was enjoying my life more than before. Still have some feelings for her, but it doesn't bother me at all - real abundance mentality is the key! This is when you can feel affectionate to girls, but if shit happens you don't destroy yourself over her.

[–]Andgelyo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Fuck yeah abundance mentality is the cure for oneitis. Been talking to this sorta cute chick from CMB, actually looks decent, has a nice feminine nurturing job(teacher) and we get along great (at least during texting). Decided to give her a call and chat her up and find out that she’s been around the whole country, only just recently moved to NYC, and wants to continue to explore the world(aka ride the international cock carousel). Immediately my red flag senses went up, the conversation went dry. Planning to still hang out with her and hopefully develop into something more but if shit goes south, then oh well. Back to fucking these useless hoes I go(shrugs shoulders).

[–]justgotalpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You doing it wrong!!! Brother by the time you go back to approach these hoes you will be diagnosed with oneitis...dont let your guard down even for a second keep playing the field and have her as a back up only

[–]fade2clear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So are you seeing other women too?

[–]jackandjill22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Things aren't true. A plate that was a model of mine just broke. A. She was so full of herself that any enforcement of frame had her absolutely livid because she's used to getting what she wants all the time. B. When she went all bi-polar emotional she turned from the "hot model" to the emotional wreck wearing sweat pants 👖 screaming at you in the middle of the night.

[–]lollipopdream 0 points1 point  (1 child)

His post is so garbage that you explained it better with a paragraph. Bravo. RP should be cleaner of those hurt feelings like this. Whining and bitching all day on RP.

[–]williesmokes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's crazy because I used to be on TRP so much. Once I started getting it. I mean really getting it, I started going out and just doing me and now only stop in to lurk when I get free time. Now I'm on auto pilot when it comes to this shit. I still have to check myself every now and then, but now that the reality of things is set, it's easy for me to snap back into things. This place is great, but for some people, less is more when it comes to being here. You should get the blueprint, then go out and learn and expand on it from there.

[–]jonib0ni 53 points54 points  (3 children)

The first really hot girl you fuck is also the first one that really breaks your heart :)

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No. Not if you're RP first. Perhaps that's an endorsement of "late-bloomers" its like getting rich alittle later as appears to really young & avoiding that phase where you burn through it wasting it on frivolous bullshit because you have some wisdom-experience.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The map is not the terrain. Even a TRPer will find it hard on the first one.

[–]chauncy_popperstein 136 points137 points  (14 children)

Ok a few things:

  1. Never try to LTR ANYONE. Fuck this "hottest girl" standards sexy ranking stuff. It is HER job to be trying to LTR you. Under no circumstances should you be pushing for any type of commitment. That is like a woman pushing a man for sex. It reeks of desperation and conditions you back to a blue pill mindset. Again NEVER try to LTR anyone. It doesn't matter how hot. Commitment is one of the most valuable things a man has, DO NOT EVER just give it away.

  2. This stuff about dating a model and your shit having to be on "lock". You are overthinking it. You should treat her just like every other woman you date. Let your actions show her she is not special. Let them show her she is not above you. All of this "you have to justify and rationalize" stuff is coming from lack of abundance. You should be ready to next her just like any other woman.

  3. A LTR doesn't have to burn you. Not if you are truly willing and ready to walk away at a moment's notice. Don't tell the woman this. Let her sense it, feel it. Let it be implied through your actions.

Other than those quick notes there is some good info in this post.

[–]domable19 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is much better, this is my exact mindset right now. Very well written, thank you.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sirs we have a winner! Give this man a fucking medal.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You need special game to date a model. & that's not it either. They're used to being handed everything. So, it goes to their head their Egos aren't proportional at all.

[–]AshyLarry27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Truth bombed the shit out of this post. Thank you for clearing this up!

[–]marplaneit 2 points3 points  (8 children)

The LTR thing is quite stupid. Everyone gets fucking burned. If you are "ready to walk away at a moment's notice" without a single emotional scratch you are fucking idiot. Why would have you been in a LTR with a girl you don't give a single fuck? You could have been spinning plates all the time, and if she didn't like it, you "could walk away at a moment's notice".

You need to use some logic to your way of thinking red pill...

[–]chauncy_popperstein 10 points11 points  (4 children)

You can be perfectly content in a LTR as long as you ACCEPT THAT IT MIGHT NOT WORK OUT. And that you can BE READY TO MOVE ON WHEN IT DOESN'T. She isn't yours (and never will be) It's just your turn. Again, the LTR should be HER goal not yours.

You need to use some objectivity on your way to the red pill.

[–]marplaneit -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

You just repeated what everyone on this sub says without applying it to real life. So you LTR this nice girl, she cooks for you, you fuck her daily, you are happy. Then one day you get to know she is actually getting rail by a ripped-bro he met in a bar. You are not gonna get out of that unnscrachted. This is fucking real life, you are going to get mad as fuck, you are getting hurted, YES YOU MAY BE FINE in 2 weeks! But then again, I would have prefered to spin plates and don't give a single fuck.

[–]chauncy_popperstein 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Actually, I'm not repeating anything. I'm stating what I said.

And if she is out fucking someone else then she isn't worthy of me. I move on. I don't feel bad because if she can't keep her cunt off another guy's dick then SHE HAS NO VALUE to me. And there are more than enough other women out there that would be lucky to get my attention.



Repeat that 100 times. It is NOT a goal for a red pill man. It is something women and blue pilled beta's want. You might allow her to be in a LTR with you IF AND ONLY IF she is worthy and has EARNED that. But don't put value on the LTR itself. Take it for what it is. Your turn with her.

[–]DarkMountain666 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't feel bad because if she can't keep her cunt off another guy's dick then SHE HAS NO VALUE to me.

You got that damn fucking right.

[–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay that's where I want you to get... I don't fucking LTR anyone neither. I can't see the value on it, unless she is a fucking unicorn then all the LTR rules that people spit here don't really apply.

Again a LTR is bullshit, unless you meet a real unicorn that you are 100% she is worth it, and even then you have high chances of getting burnt. Why would you LTR someone you think she may be getting dick in the side? Is a lose opportunity of getting better pussy...

[–]brinkleybuzz 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If you're the prize, an LTR with you is a privilege not a right. If she doesn't earn it, she doesn't get it.

This is the logic of a man with abundance who values his time and commitment.

[–]marplaneit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you are THAT GOOD, with would you LTR her? If you are drawning in pussy unless she is a fucking angel that adores and just lost her virginity to you I cannot see the value on LTRing anyone.

[–]brinkleybuzz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If a girl you're attracted to consistently sets herself apart from others in your life because of her attitude and connection with you, why not be exclusive with her? Don't let fear of loss and future pain get in the way of enjoying the moment.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I was hanging with a friend awhile ago, a couple months after he started dating his current wife. She was out of town at her ex-boyfriends wedding and he was telling me how she is still friends with all of her exes and they talk and hang out frequently. I could tell from the tone in his voice that he wasn't cool with it, but everyone and everything was telling him to get over it, she's a modern woman, it's petty and controlling to care who she hangs out with, she's in a relationship with him, right?

They've been together for 3 years now and got married last year. 2 of her 3 "bridesmaids" were her ex boyfriends, and my friend is currently falling into a deep depression. His new wife constantly makes posts on fb shaming him for being a "homebody" and never wanting to go out. Maybe he just doesn't feel like being around a bunch of other guys who fucked her first.

Anyway, don't ever be afraid to drop a bitch over something that bothers you, no matter how petty or "misogynistic" other people will say it is. No one has your own interests in mind more than you, trust your gut.

[–]Augustuscrassus 11 points12 points  (3 children)

What the fuck man. I would honestly slap my friends for doing something like this. I told my best friend his girlfriend was a whore in grade 9 because she fucked half the guys in the school. He didn't appreciate it at the time, but after when he woke up he thanked me for being straight with him.

If I was you I would have told your friend she's fucking at least one of those guys. Who gives a shit how he reacts he's your friend.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite 8 points9 points  (2 children)

He's a big boy, it's not my job to tell him how to live his life. Some people want to live in a weird fantasy world, he's one of them. If or when he asks me what I think, I'll tell him, until then I'll just mind my own business and hang out and do guy shit with him. You can't save everybody.

[–]madmike11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the proper way to handle it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's not asking you to save everybody. He's asking you to help your friend.

Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.


[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Solid report, I’ll add a different angle to this. Beautiful women have common traits that make them straightforward to game and date in an LTR as well. It’s not all glass half empty.

1) They are insecure when it comes to most character and personality attributes because they know they are most often judged on their looks. Compliments that target these, or tease their inadequacies, are effective here. After a joke, drop a “Damn, I didn’t know you were so funny.” or similar. One example.

2) They have a keen understand of time; they know that looks fade with time, and this can be used to your advantage. If you are running late because she is taking forever to get ready, you can tease her, “Hey are you putting on more makeup than before?”, or something like that in a fun a way. Keep it light of course.

3) Because their success in life is centered on looks (they are not judged by performance in the same way that men are), you can emphasize your strengths as a contrast without braving. Ask her to help fix the car. Prepare a decent, complete meal. Donate a turkey during the holidays (requires financial resources). Organize the travel budget. When she balks, lead the way with a knowing smile

4) Go to places where there are more women than men with her. You will get respect from other women and eye fucked like a war lord. She will notice. She will fuck you harder that night.

5) Understand that five years from now, she will probably be pregnant, fat, have the same bland personality, have zero income, and devaluing in looks and HMV by the minute. You, however, with your career, built physique, stronger frame, and mission, are appreciating. Is what it is. Tell her you expect her best because you are only going to get better with time. The best sex of her life. The best relationship of her life. The most loyalty. She is in her prime in terms of looks and will give it to you if you have her respect.

Overall, pretty girls are still girls. They have the same fears and weaknesses as others. They have higher SMV for a period of time, but tend to be weaker in other critical long term areas like character, personality, intelligence, resilience, follow through, communication. This if anything makes them much easier to game than one might think. Still, their looks are a risk - they can be used in social settings to gain power, cheat, to manipulate. Be aware, manage the risk, and have some fun with her.

Edit: grammar

[–]fade2clear 14 points15 points  (3 children)

If you meet the right kind of self destructive girl with no discipline, low self esteem in the right place where you don’t get to interact with other women, where she is the hottest thing around, this will fucking happen to you. You will start thinking how lucky you are because all the other thirsty fuckers around you will be telling you that. You will get blinded by the pussy. It won’t matter how fucking strong you are. If you let your guard down, you will get fucked.

slow clap

Holy fucking shit. You just described me and my recent experience perfectly. That is me. I got burned.

Every little thing I see and hear throughout my day is a constant reminder of her. I feel like life is subtly fucking with me and making it hard to forget why she was a waste of time. But I got weak and put that pussy on a pedestal and here I am. It's been 2 weeks and my subconscious is still telling me how much I miss being around her, and what I could have done differently. Knowing deep down she was no where near LTR material. I was aware of TRP going into it but obviously it wasn't ingrained in my mind. But damn did this past experience force me to wash that motherfucker down and not look back.

This is really good information and everyone needs to take this warning. Unfortunately, most of us have to learn the hard way.

[–]adhil_habib_lambert 6 points7 points  (0 children)

who else just wants a loyal wife and doesn't want to take part in game

[–]1davebrain 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If her relationship history, with her previous boyfriends or family, bothers you in the slightest - bail

They're all whores so that solves that. Monk it is.

[–]IonianIdol 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'ma tell you that rings a bell. It wasn't a LTR, but it took me about one day to bring HB9 from red hot to ice cold and it fucked me up more than any breakup or rejection. The arrogance, man, that's your worst enemy. When you have some kind of success with girls and a bunch of guys marvel at your game, you start to believe you're the shit. Well, as you said, we're not.

[–]alexclarkbarry 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Ignore this post, NEVER drop a girl because "SOME STRANGER ON A REDDIT THREAD SAID I SHOULD DROP HER". One of the most important things about this sub is to learn how to filter out the noise and make your own decisions. So don't decide to get rid of someone that could be great for you because of what you read on Reddit.

[–]majorketone 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This kinda sounds like oneitis and scarcity mindset. Yeah you could drop a girl that wasn't necessarily deserving of it but AWALT. There are plenty of girls that "could be great for me" out there. OP is suggesting that you don't get caught up in the feeling of "this girl is great for me" so much that you get fucked over.

[–]alexclarkbarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm posting this as a reminder for people to take the post with a grain of salt, getting rid of someone "because Reddit told me to" is just... fucking think for yourselves

[–]rinosupply 4 points5 points  (0 children)

damn dude, this shit is real as hell for me atm. Exact thing happened in my 3 year LTR, became complacent, lost my way and the girl lost all respect regardless of everything I did for her. Looking back, red flags were everywhere but chose to ignore them due to how lucky everyone kept telling me I was. These girls really do live in a damn fantasy world about what their man should be, I blame hollywood. All good though, all there is to do is move forward knowing that shes a piece of shit who treats her family and everyone around her like crap and isn't gonna skate by on her hotness forever.

[–]Juan-San 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is both a good summary of the sidebar, and sidebar material. Great post.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a few points that I disagree with here. I think that as a man, it is your fault and your fault alone that you get burned.

1) You shouldn't be the one initiating any sort of relationship. You're negotiating your time, friendship, and sex. If you give her that and she wants more from you, i.e. commitment, she will ask. Don't volunteer it. If you're not ready for that when the question comes up or you don't think she's worthy, let her go. Be true to your intentions. Don't be devious.

2) Scared of baggage? Why are you giving her that much of your self? By the time you make it to the point where she is asking for that much from you, you better know how to handle her or you better not be around her. If she's not terrified to lose you, you shouldn't even be there.

3) Be genuine. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and don't change! Be the man that you say you are. If you aren't that strong person that you told her you were, she will leave you! And that's only your fault for not being the person you wanted to be or the person you said you were.

[–]alvlear 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dude, you got oneitis. Spin plates for a while, and you will be fine.

[–]Erthiros 3 points4 points  (0 children)

someone please put this in the sidebar everyone needs to see this

[–]the_kek_god 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I started smoking, eating like absolute shit, not getting enough sleep, spending money I didn’t have. I crashed my car and missed out on work.

This is not little fuck ups lol. Im glad I found a girl that cares about my well being. If my girl asked me to smoke or started herself she would be gone in 2 seconds.

[–]SquaatsForDays 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I whole-heartedly agree with the notion of no LTRs within the ages of 18-25. I'd even say no LTRs till you can successfully, and congruently spin a handful of plates without becoming too invested in their outcomes.

But yes, as was mentioned earlier, Abundance Mentality. This is a necessity.

[–]boager95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A shitty experience with a female is a valuable learning experience. Long story short I dated a hottie back in college and feel head over heels for her since she was hot and was well connected in our school. The sex was great and I loved the attention I got from male and female friends.

Overall it left me depressed and anxiety ridden. My grades slipped, I became focus on what SHE thought of me, and my own self-respect and values went down the drain.

Shitty experience, but, looking back, it taught me to hold on to my own values and tenancies. If a woman threatens to leave you because of certain personality traits or habits, dump her. It's not going to end well. You are who you are, don't let anyone change that.

[–]i4mn30 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post reeks of too much blue pilled-ness. You got burned because you clearly haven't swallowed the red.

"on lock" for model dating, treating 9s differently and shit.. Man get your frame fucking right first.

[–]breakfastburrito24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just got burned pretty badly. I recognize everything you're saying, and I'm happy to say that the burn has been a lesson, and your post has been a reinforcement. Thanks for sharing.

[–]bobaisdope 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fucking solid points! Thanks for your well-articulated thoughts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You will get burned, it will hurt like hell, and you will never see it coming.

Not if you expect it. One major lesson I've learned about women from 3 years of TRP is that you can NEVER let your guard down.

[–]brinkleybuzz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A relevant story to remind us that no relationship is permanent and if the relationship brings enjoyment now we should savor the moment rather than worry about losing it in the future.

Example - having a relationship with an HB9 is worth it now because I'm going to savor every minute she's on my arm in public and every second I'm in that fine ass pussy understanding that it won't last forever, just as I savor every sip of an expensive glass of single malt scotch, every puff of a fine Cuban cigar and every bite of a gourmet meal.

The Glass Is Already Broken

“You see this goblet?” asks Achaan Chaa, the Thai meditation master. “For me this glass is already broken. I enjoy it; I drink out of it. It holds my water admirably, sometimes even reflecting the sun in beautiful patterns. If I should tap it, it has a lovely ring to it. But when I put this glass on the shelf and the wind knocks it over or my elbow brushes it off the table and it falls to the ground and shatters, I say, ‘Of course.’ When I understand that the glass is already broken, every moment with it is precious.”

[–]2Dmva100 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Only text her for sex and you avoid all things in the OP. Ignore everything else she sends until you want to meet.

[–]ttkkk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wow! So fucking easy it is, thanks in advance for the insight

[–]Philippians4one3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks for the post. Blue-pilled as fuck for my last LTR and your point no. 2 stood out clearly in hindsight. Absolutely controlled by her parents and daddy issues. Probably borderline personality disorder issues as well. I should have ran for the hills. “Love” will make you do stupid shit. What a beta.

[–]avngr[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As much as women are adapted to the way they are behaving, our brains are adapted to be susceptible to their manipulation since women would have selected for men who were. Don't feel bad. Be glad. Monogamy and life time relationships are essential to the structure of our society but it's up to the man to maintain it. Women are programmed to actively to destroy their own relationships. It's to the evolutionary benefit to do so.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is a certain validity to MGTOW. TRP does compromise. "But, but TRP is truth and there is no moral! And we are champions! We got this, we are in control!"

You are not in control. You compromise the deal you are willing to take. May it be 70% likely to marry a girl which divorces you and takes your shit (hardcore bluepill) or 1% likelyhood to misstep (TRP) and get your reputation ruined or worse. (Rape accustation/ex trying to talk bad to some fucked in the head bluepill guy trying to be her white knight and actually causes stress/STD/condom breaks/hot plate is done with you and steals 100$ from your wallet before fucking off) There are a billion possibilities to get burned whilst following the stuff TRP teaches. Some stuff rather manageable, some stuff not so much.

You simply decide for yourself what is worth it and what isn't. Also keep in mind you might just get cancer for literally doing nothing wrong. Life itself "is a risk". So running away from risks doesn't exist. At some point something in life just happens. With TRP you are simply getting the best deal on the market in regards of 'sexual interaction'.

[–]replepok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you go to the bitch and tell her to suck your dick