The women who denied you will come to resent you when you surpass them in the SMP.

DubbleFUPAwitCheez · 2017-12-04T18:19:12+00:00

I'd add the caveat that this resentment will mostly come from girls you orbited. Girls that knew you with low smv but you didn't orbit, will tend to be thrilled that they have broken ice with a high smv man. They never had you as their puppy so they don't mind seeing you as a wolf.

BewareTheOldMan · 2017-12-04T17:11:57+00:00

...well - these same women had their chance at you four to five years earlier. They went in another direction and now trying to "circle back" to the men they placed in the beta-orbiter/backup category.

The newest development in the dating and marriage dance is that women are realizing their former beta-orbiters are "unavailable" now that they're all of a sudden ready for a Good Man/Nice Guy.

The Nice Guys are in revolt. They have to face their reality – just as men had to face beta-orbiter status years earlier.

It’s only when women no longer have the advantage of their former beauty, youth, and fertility that men are being "unfair."

It’s ironic.

Fedor_Gavnyukov · 2017-12-04T19:15:46+00:00

Mike Jones has a good song about this “Back Then”

“Back then hoes didn't want me, now I'm hot hoes all on me" ... “They used to love to me diss me, now they rush to hug and kiss me now They tellin' all they friends when I leave how they miss me now”

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2017-12-04T17:31:48+00:00

It’s simple.

Men really start to hit their stride at 28-32 in terms of value, and can appreciate from there even.

Women tend to depreciate in terms of looks from that point.

Any woman that depended too greatly on her looks in her twenties is bound to have a little bitterness in her when she is older.

VerisimilRed · 2017-12-04T16:36:07+00:00

Hi!

I really like this post. It outlines the basics of a man's ability to improve and take responsibility for himself. It also highlights female flaws.

The male equivalent of this is coming to resent a female friend because she doesn't reciprocate your beta affections.

When a female starts resenting you because you improve yourself it's because she almost knows that she's watching the gravy train choo choo off into the distance and SHE'S NOT ON IT.

Fuck bitches, get money.

Sincerely,

Verisimilred

[deleted] · 2017-12-05T01:01:07+00:00

Women peak first, then learn the realities of the smp.

Men learn the realities of the smp, then they peak.

This is why women ultimately lose in the feminized West. They literally don't know their value will dwindle after 25 and before they do, it's often too late for them to lock down a beta or even alpha they could have easily locked down in the past.

Also, recognize the ego validation you're inspiring here. This is a feel good platitude post and with that comes incessant mental masterbation.

The reality is, these girls didn't choose their fate; society did. Blaming women for hypergamy, shitty values and promiscuity is the same as blaming you for being a suplicating beta at 21 instead of the alpha you "should have been."

Dmva100 · 2017-12-04T16:54:25+00:00

Most importantly, make sure to blatantly showcase your value to the post wallers/single mommas and fembots by having a hot young 18 year old on your arm when you're in the 30+ age bracket. The vapid, entitled nature of these fat slags really is an eye opener when they try to age shame you.

To which you respond:

'Quit staring and cook me dinner, or else I'll just assume you're only good for sex.'

You don't owe women shit.

WISE_TURD · 2017-12-05T02:34:28+00:00

My observations (28 years old):

Single women approaching the wall are pretty desperate in general.
Girls in ltr's that are approaching the wall have a serious case of wandering eye. I'll catch people's girlfriends eye fucking me all the time. They're just anxious to know whether they're still hot or if they already smacked the pavement headfirst.
Girls you plated back in your early 20's start hitting you up when they're approaching the wall. Facebook messages out of the blue etc. (the obvious answer is: "it's great hearing from you! drinks sound awesome, but i'm really busy at work. I'll get back to you when it's not so crazy". Ghost)

They just played the game wrong. A smart women would do everything redpill suggests as far as personal development except keep n count low and have some self control in general. Apparently it's way harder for them than it sounds because all i hear is SPLAT these days.

Nomfwic · 2017-12-04T18:25:41+00:00

I thing we've walked a similar path brother. I to was a unsuccessful beta simp desperate for females. Got by on looks but no discipline was present .

Now the tables are starting to turn. I have grown passions and hobbies thst I once thought was not important. Living healthier and lifting really cemented the positive mindset and its only up from here. They say women are maple trees, men are oak . The do grow and mature faster... yet they hit the ceiling quickly and the results are ugly.

I have all these brothers on this forum alone to that for what I have achieved and what I am yet to achieve.

Thank you guys!

askmrcia · 2017-12-04T21:06:10+00:00

Well we know girls don't tend to view things long term. If you were a pretty decent average guy in high school and college, you will struggle with women (that are good looking).

However, when you get older, you will most likely (and you bastards should) have more money, a better job, more status, ect...

Girls don't see that far the line. They don't care if you're some dude busting your ass now and will be good to go when you are older. They are like the NFL when it comes to contract signing (what have you done for me lately).

Hell even when you are older, they don't give a shit that you missed all those parties in college studying for your software engineering degree or whatever. They only see the finish product. So remember that.

As long as you have your shit together, STAY HEALTHY, and no kids, you will be fine when you are older. I still say, enjoy the struggle in your 20s, practice what works with women and don't work. More experience the better.

Last thing you want to be is some fat CPA corporate slave that don't know how to talk to girls. Good luck at that point thinking your age is going to help you pull women.

downtownMalone09 · 2017-12-04T19:04:56+00:00

Yep. She was hot shit and you were average Joe. Then she became a 27 year old single mom of 2. Meanwhile, you hustled at your job and worked out like a madman. Before she would have never dated you, now she hates you because youre better and now out of her league

Jonlife · 2017-12-05T00:57:10+00:00

Here's some insight. Why are you still concerned about what they think of you? Considering you've moved on and improved yourself to bigger and better.

It's like still wondering what those kids who made fun of you in high school are up to and what they think about you currently.

Your issues ua that you still seek female companionship. My advice: if you're still seeking female interaction male sure that it only on your terms. The minute you start to compromise with them, it's basically giving into all her wants.

You already understand sexual market value. They'll never fuck with you again so long as they're always reminded that they'll never be better than you (physically and mentally). Yes, the minute a female thinks she's above you is the minute they start monkey branching and making unilateral demands. This "everyone is equal" bullshit mindset by men will always have their women saying "I want an open relationship..."

Understand your boundaries, your value, and don't flinch on them.

Drumcode-Equals-Life · 2017-12-04T19:36:33+00:00

I'm starting to see it now at 26, women who used to have tight asses and stomachs are seeing them drop to the floor like duffel bags by the day, and I'm just constantly improving and getting better day by day in comparison

RPBulletDodger · 2017-12-04T21:09:08+00:00

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ThickDickWarrior89 · 2017-12-04T19:31:58+00:00

This is is the beauty of the game; enjoy.

Dead_Art · 2017-12-04T21:56:24+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree, as a young man I was never lacking in the face department but I was just skinny due to an Auto-Immune disease. Women were happy to have a casual relationship with me, have me go to events and things with them and at the time I was just hoping to meet a friend of theirs or something.

Ten years later these same women approach me with almost a hostility when saying hello in passing, like they're mad at me for becoming well rounded and not getting fat, bald or falling off the rails. They're upset that I don't treat them like the beta-blue that used to listen and never get to talk, I must have become an asshole right? In reality I just put myself first because nobody else will, I no longer treat every person as potential for expanding my social circle, I don't try to show off my talents or wit, and I don't forgive mistakes or obvious faults just because she's a woman. It all seems obvious to me now but I used to see these things as Not being a Real Man. But fuck that, it's just another manipulation technique to get you to submit.

Never submit.

beliefthistuff · 2017-12-05T01:00:45+00:00

How are you even keeping in touch with these women after so many years? You aren't in a college or high school setting anymore, don't most people just kind of go their own way?

[deleted] · 2017-12-05T03:29:39+00:00

Agreed. Many women are shallow and only see surface value, rather than seeing potential. Then when you activate that potential, they regret not seeing it at the time and they project their frustration onto you.

i4mn30 · 2017-12-05T06:51:40+00:00

Your vision needs to be greater than your thirst for women and your need for validation.

I think if all the thirsty dudes in the world got this, then we'd have a much, much more productive world and be achieving so much more shit. Probably would have had a Mars colony by now.

Instead we sit with 40 tabs of pornhub and 30 of xvideos, 10 from yesterday's bookmarked porn, all ready to be consumed like glutton.

elfonite · 2017-12-05T05:14:47+00:00

If I've learned one thing in this world that I'd want other people to remember that I've learned: There is no such thing as retribution.

Remember that. It will help you get over unnecessary bitterness.

face_north · 2017-12-05T05:50:40+00:00

Well all these ideas of women hitting the wall in late 20 s or early 30 s might be true ...but not absolute in todays online dating world. I have seen inboxes of these stale breads ( read aged women) flooded with msgs/right swipes from men. One of them had over 100 guys in her lot... ever ready to take her out for wine n dine n movies n shopping n what not. So they have 100 s of options still to chose each weekend as to who will get "lucky" ..

[deleted] · 2017-12-05T13:28:36+00:00

If TRP has taught me anything, it's this concept.

23 here, never had problems getting laid in college. Graduated with a good paying job now. Just got a nice car, starting to travel, and for the first time in my life have no desire to pursue women.

Don't get me wrong, I get horny and consider hooking up with babes from Bumble. But then I step back, jerk off, and I'm over it. It'd just be a waste of time and resources for such instant gratification, when I could instead channel them on things I actually enjoy (guitar, reading, road trips) that will ultimately lead to self improvement... easy easy pussy in my 30s.

Feel so bad for the chumps that chase nothing but tail throughout their 20's. Have a couple of friends like this, have tried to apply TRP concepts with little avail. The blue pill is a potent drug.

grewapair · 2017-12-05T07:25:38+00:00

Who gives a shit? It doesn't make you any happier when some post wall hag wants you. The fact is, she didn't want you when she was hot. And that ship has sailed.

And no, they don't regret ditching you for Chad in your 20s. If they had it to do over, they'd ditch you again. No tingles, no regret. They weren't going to give up Chad or even the opportunity for Chad just to have some guy they didn't like for ten years who turned out well.

Thinking or dreaming about any of this is a waste of time. Think about the women you get, not the women you dint get who now you don't want.

hawkeaglejesus · 2017-12-05T16:59:47+00:00

Your validation will come when you achieve something worth a shit, not from a one night stand or otherwise.

Quoting another post. "The meaning of life will never be found inside a vagina. Pussy is something you get sometimes because you like pussy. Pussy is not an achievement. Go do something you can be proud of."

Don_Himself · 2017-12-05T02:11:31+00:00

They never """denied""" you, you just didn't meet the required standards to force them to submit before.

And they don't """resent""" you, they're just re-testing your fortitude extra hard to see if you pass requirements to force them to submit. you've failed many tests before so further testing is required to see if you can withstand. pretty much seeing if you're really as good as advertised or just faking it.

women don't hate men for becoming attractive. that's a completely ridiculous way of contextualizing the male-female sexual dynamic. you could be building an empire full of subs at your fingertips but instead you decided to create a Me vs Them standoff which isn't fun nor healthy. if theyre quality bitches, Conquer them unapologetically and build your harem.

MaxBrodin · 2017-12-05T04:18:19+00:00

I see one flaw in your argument. Just how a woman at 25, at a peak of her SMV does not see anything wrong with it, you don’t see that you are at a physical peak at around 30. You think you earned it, and it could be true. But it could also be that you simply aged and will continue to increase your SMV and provider value until another peak at 37.

FudgingEgo · 2017-12-05T12:26:10+00:00

Which books have you been reading?

VerminatorX1 · 2017-12-05T16:51:35+00:00

What is "grooming"? I haven't found definition in glossary, and google results are kinda creepy...

ejkej89 · 2017-12-05T18:47:13+00:00

If you are balding then you don't age like wine. Some guys need hair transplant.

aga080 · 2017-12-04T22:02:57+00:00

This guy gets it!

good thoughts OP, we need more encouraging posts like this.

bitchpotatobunny · 2017-12-04T20:11:53+00:00

Women at 29 are hitting the wall? I was under the impression the wall was around 35ish. Late twenties simply separates those who take care of themselves versus those who relied on the beauty of youth and let themselves go.

In my experience, mid to late twenties is the target range. That's when a girl becomes a woman and tends to grow into her sexuality. That's when they go from "hot" to "sexy" and actually know how to have fun in bed. Before that, they just look good and let you do whatever, but don't really know much themselves.

I'm not trying to take away from the message of this post; it's a good one and rings true. I'm genuinely curious if there is an agreed upon age range for the wall or not.

ronaIdreagan · 2017-12-04T17:03:06+00:00

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biglaughingcock · 2017-12-05T00:42:15+00:00

im 20 now so I can only look forward to the future. but good for you man, don't get tied down any time soon!

kane4life4ever · 2017-12-05T03:41:45+00:00

What industry are you in mate?

phoneticau · 2017-12-05T10:41:28+00:00

It proves you become a better person for your self & along the way it improves your SMV, but you can be snug knowing you dont own any woman anything, kudos to you brother

spez666 · 2017-12-05T16:51:00+00:00

Ditto. Happened to me last week.

prettylolita · 2017-12-05T19:22:48+00:00

He was short and smart. They both worked high power jobs, and only had one child. No she actually made more than him because she had a phD. Both never had a problem with attracting people. The issue was just he wasn’t the “body type” she liked.

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Juggernaut_is_here · 2017-12-06T05:17:18+00:00

good they were put in place

[deleted] · 2017-12-06T21:43:59+00:00

I had really wanted to go to my 10 year high school reunion just to see if could hook up with any girls that used to be out of my league but I wasn't single at the time. Would've been a ton of fun I bet.

notonlyplace · 2017-12-08T22:26:47+00:00

The advice I have is simple; Put yourself first, LIFT, grooming is a priority, read voraciously and create the life you want. Put positive thoughts into action and tune out the noise. Your vision needs to be greater than your thirst for women and your need for validation.

People who lift, groom, read do awful with women, people who are lazy do great with women, lift and groom for yourself.

I see to many guys who look 10x better than me get no women, as a older male I pulled girls from young guys who were athletes, I can't even run a block, and yet I scored his 18 year old gf.

She refer to him as a butt kiss. Your first priority should be to find what you enjoy, and love yourself, women and people skills don't magically come from lifting it comes from understanding

Metalageddon · 2017-12-09T12:47:14+00:00

Yup.

The hottest I hit a decade ago are at best, with the exception of one, a 4 now.

And I can bag better than I could then. (At that age I was getting 6/7, now I'm getting 8/9, especially if they have jungle fever.)

Every ex I meet hates my guts but mills close to me the whole time I'm present. Speaks for itself.

As for the one exception, she's an international escort. She's prettier at 27 than she was at 17, and she's played the game like a champ. Married a millionaire at 23 and already had several hundred k saved up. Smart tactical girl. No disrespect at all.

yellowbrickroad01 · 2017-12-14T07:04:42+00:00

Women who value themselves search for men with good values and morals. Guess doesn’t matter how much you earn or what job you do, they will also be able to see the loser inside and reject you.

sk8board26 · 2017-12-24T11:30:23+00:00

lol who cares, this shit is stupid like you made it and this is how you define success.

iamanalterror_ · 2017-12-26T00:04:45+00:00

Most of you are familiar with the age old saying: "Men age like wine, women age like milk."

Try this one, it's much more fitting:

Men age like fine wine; women age like sour grapes.

MarcusAurelius78 · 2017-12-04T20:36:33+00:00

I don’t think hiking and writing are considered “cool hobbies” by women. Don’t get me wrong I love hiking but it’s not something I would boast about in front of women especially the writing part it makes you look really corny.

But the rest of your post is spot on and good advice especially the part about putting positive thoughts into action. And yes, I turned 30 in July and I have barely aged meanwhile most girls my age look much older than me despite being the same age. Another reason why I’m happy I’m a man!

Chaddeus_Rex · 2017-12-05T04:02:20+00:00

Here's the thing, if you're 25 and not getting women your age and younger, getting older won't help, imo (T 25 myself). It doesn't make sense. What do you suddenly grow a halo and all the bitches are suddenly attracted?