Girl complains about weak-willed boyfriend, then glamors about Chad's cock (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by MyMostSecretAlt

The moral of this story is to never fake red pill ideas, make them a reality.

I saw an old friend recently. While I was born red pilled, I hadn't come across this sub in the time that I knew this girl. The amount of theories she confirmed was startling.

Sarah started off by telling me that she and Mark had broken up for the last time about a week ago. Sarah had been dating Mark for 7 months, the last few being on-again off-again. Sarah said that Mark was almost always a standup guy- emotionally, he was always there for her, he answered all her texts immediately, etc.

However, she subtly revealed that she saw Mark as a complete beta. She complained that Mark didn't make her feel "safe." When he walked her home, she didn't feel like Mark could deter other men. She complained that Mark always asked for her attention, and that she couldn't stand how he never seemed to be doing things on his own.

She told me when they argued, Mark would say he had other girls lining up for him. She also told me that when they had a "break," she fucked another dude, and she even told him about it. This is when I knew Mark was lying, and didn't have jack shit waiting for him. Dude straight up took her back within a week after she let another man fuck her with almost zero effort. If you do something like this, how can you expect your girlfriend to ever respect you? How can you expect your girlfriend to be attracted to you when she doesn't respect you?

And then, of course, she told me she has slept with two other men within the last week after breaking up with Mark. And she even overspoke about the guy that had fucked her the night before. She told me his "moves" like turning the lights down when she came in, playing music, pouring her wine without asking, etc. Sarah then said the most ironic sentence I've ever heard-

"I really didn't like that he seemed like he had done those moves before and that I was probably 'just another girl' to him,' but ugh if he asked to just be friends with benefits with me I'd do it in a second."

And this, friends, is why you cannot rely solely on your looks. You cannot rely on being nice. Women do not find a "gentleman" attractive because it signifies that you're happy being her bitch, and ultimately don't deserve her respect. Naturally, we covet what is seen as unobtainable, not what makes itself available. Don't make Mark's mistake- don't fake "dread game." If you wish to have a successful LTR, you need to command respect without ever having to bargain for it. Once you lose that, she will never find you as attractive as someone who is "above" the two of you.

Never stop cultivating your worth, and never stop having "options" so that you make act on them if necessary. This does not mean you need to cheat, obviously, but if you don't make other women jealous, your woman will be insatiable, and will cheat on you.

Unrelated, but here's the darkest thing she told me: Sarah feels like she's been a slut, and wants to change. She's tired of all the frat boys and players whom have fucked her and not stayed around. She wants a man who respects her and doesn't expect her to fuck on the first date.

That line disgusted me, but rang a bell that I didn't believe from TRP- AF BB. The next time you put in 2 months of "effort" on a girl, remember she might just be Sarah, who would BEG to suck Chad's dick. This is why you need to improve yourself, brothers.

[–]Sumsar01 108 points109 points  (53 children)

So in my world a gentleman is suave. James Bonde is a gentleman. A gentleman is not a pussy. But this might be because im not a native English speaker and the word havent been corrupted here. At least every girl Ive heard use it wanted to fuck.

[–]AnjaJutta 146 points147 points  (18 children)

"Gentleman" started off as a word denoting a man of nobility and nowadays means a little bitch.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 56 points57 points  (3 children)

What about a Supreme GentlemanTM ? Lol

[–]AnjaJutta 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Started off as a harmless mountain, blew up and killed off the entire population of Pompei.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 7 points8 points  (9 children)

'Gentleman' refers to a man who has the POTENTIAL for violence but exercises restraint. That is why a knight or a soldier could have been a gentleman back in the day - it was known that he could exert violence to devastating effect, yet he chose to restrain himself. It is the same as a big buff alpha, who clearly has the capability to ruin you speaking politely and showing restraint. He has the potential to fuck you up, he'll likely do it too if you cross him - but he doesn't at the moment.

[–]asotranq 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Yeah it's hilarious when weak men pride themselves on being pacifists, like as if they'd ever be anyone other than the guy getting his head stamped on on the ground. The only people who should ever even say it are people that are actually strong and give off that powerful vibe. I've heard guys who must've honestly been about 120lbs talk about never wanting to fight, as if they'd have even the slightest chance of not being the loser.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I've heard guys who must've honestly been about 120lbs talk about never wanting to fight, as if they'd have even the slightest chance of not being the loser.

Want to know something funny? If you take a 'pacifistic' 120lb dude, give him some muscle, he'll suddenly start acting more aggressive and is more likely to get into fights.

[–]asotranq 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Well yeah because then he'd actually stand a chance

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (3 children)

And he won't be 'pacifistic' anymore. Funny right?

[–]asotranq 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah pretty much, it's not really a surprise though, when you're weak it seems to be the general consensus that it's totally cool to pick on that person and if they have any form of breakdown on social media wondering Wtf is wrong it's also totally hilarious to screenshot it and put it all over cringepics or niceguys. I'm not in the anger phase at all but I have contempt for most people now.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yup I agree. When a formerly weak guy gets buff and looks like he can bash someone face in with his hand, bullying him isn't funny anymore.

Usually, these guys go from being cucked left-wing supporters to not giving a fuck.

[–]tiberius14 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have to say: I never saw it the way you put it. Very interesting perspective, Kevin_Is_Sad_Now.

By the way, how would you train yourself to effectively wield the verbal weapons you speak of?

[–]Sumsar01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to get good at any thing do that thing more.

In the case of talking debate stupid shit with people, poletics, climate change, if you think there is still a chance super symmetry is real w/e.

And banter, banter a lot. Just tell random as much stupid shit as you can.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

People went for the gentle instead of realising you have to be a man first. 90% of being a gentleman is being a man.
Gentle is beta, man is alpha.
A gentleman is 100% alpha with 10% "pretend" beta.

[–]KarmaEnthusiast 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I'd say the most analogous thing (without getting too theoretical) I could akin to the quality of man you want to be is an angel. Pious and devoted to justice but with an ability to destroy evil.

"Gentleman" is perverted now women have given up their end of the Chivalry deal, they took up feminism. You need to navigate the social ecology with your nomenclature, not stay rigid and inflexible.

Getting very ecclesiastical I know but I'd recommend Jordan Peterson's biblical lectures that outline archetypes for further elaboration.

[–]dumnem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd agree with your statement but Angel has been just as corrupted - it tends to mean perfect and innocent and completely boring.

[–]causeandcorrelation 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Jesus christ. You can't be a gentleman if you're a fucking wimp. You can only be one if you're a monster. Being a gentleman is only a merit when you're clearly of dominance and sexual competence. Otherwise you're just exercising the only beta game you got. Manners are only respected if you could get what you want without them. Being an (ergh) gentleman is only a personal merit when you don't need it. It's only a personal merit when it's a courtesy you provide others, not a necessity. It's got little to do with suave.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it goes hand in hand with feminism. If you indoctrinate young boys from day 1 that they have it so better than women, they won't hesitate to give freely to women. It's like charity to the poor. Except they are not poor and you are not rich.

[–]thrillhouss3 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I always use him as an example. “What would Bond, do?”

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I always use him as an example. “What would Bond, do?”

Clearly. The older James Bond films were a master class in Amused Mastery.

[–]zeeohsixer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bond would use whatever latest gadget Q and they boys in the lab had whipped up to dip out in spectacular fashion. The answer is always be like Bond. Bond doesn't give a fuck, he's got fresh gear and the latest Aston Martin.

[–]BusterVadge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's also a fictional character designed to provoke fantasies in men what an ideal life of adventure and womanizing would be like.

James bond is not real, and this is not how the world works.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 254 points255 points  (13 children)

"I really didn't like that he seemed like he had done those moves before and that I was probably 'just another girl' to him,' but ugh if he asked to just be friends with benefits with me I'd do it in a second."

Translation: "I love that he's a player, he has some really good moves, and I would totally spread my legs for him whenever he demands it."

Boys, ignore what they say, focus on their actions.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 64 points65 points  (9 children)

ignore what they say, focus on their actions.

Do you have some reading comprehension problems? She literally SAID this:

but ugh if he asked to just be friends with benefits with me I'd do it in a second."

[–]Shariabluew 32 points33 points  (4 children)

thats not what she said to her beta bux

[–]3whatsthisgarg 11 points12 points  (3 children)

thats not what she said to her beta bux

Do you see what's happening here? We're falling into two groups reading this clown's comment: studs and duds.

If your response is to visualize yourself as the beta, and not as the guy who is eliciting the girl's true feelings, that says a lot about you (rhetorical "you" not any particular you).

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The purpose of this thread wasnt to tell people what they already know, its enlighten the ignorant, the 'duds' and 'betas'. But I do like how you articulated the perspective dynamic.

[–]Shariabluew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said it because I've seen it a million times before, they really are duplicitous and present a different face depending on the guy they're with.

They can be really nasty to their boyfriend who they """"love"""" so much but be the most pleasant little girls for guys who make them wet.

Makes me feel bad to see guys dumped on like that but in the end they're doing it to themselves by letting her get to that point.

[–]iwasbornred 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think he's referring to the fact that she said she didn't like the fact that he seemed like a player.

[–]maniclurker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't understand his response, either. Furthermore, I could believe that she is consciously bothered by her own willingness to be gamed.

[–]1Zanford 3 points4 points  (1 child)

She didn't say it to the boyfriend tho.

[–]banjew 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You don't need translation, the girl said that and you understood backwards, lol, and this comment has >80 points. And then you wonder why you don't understand girls...

[–]askmrcia 44 points45 points  (2 children)

If I read this post correctly it sounds like you got all your information from what Sarah told you.... and you believed her.

For all you know the guy never said anything Sarah claimed he said and she probably didn't even tell him that she slept with someone else.

She probably lied to make the guy look like a complete chump to make herself feel better about pursuing other guys (who pumped and dumped her).

I learned a long time ago, before I even found out about this sub is to never listen to what a woman says when a relationship ends.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women always lie and they are excellent at packaging it as the gospel truth to exonerate themselves from any wrong.

[–]destraht 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Women do not find a "gentleman" attractive because it signifies that you're happy being her bitch, and ultimately don't deserve her respect.

Well I'm too young to have lived in the pre sexual revolution world but it seems that if you were a gentleman and then she was a modest lady then it was a fair enough deal. I think that it is such a bitch move today because she certainly won't to be acting like a woman did 65 years ago and so it is one sided. This isn't respectable. So I don't think that a man being a gentlemen is a universal bitch move in a vacuum. These days I think that its only fair to do polite things if there is a pragmatic excuse for it, i.e. don't hold the door open too long. Everything needs to be metered out.

[–]MyMostSecretAlt 1 points1 points [recovered]

What I said applies to this society- and even then, only among individuals of the same socioeconomic class.

100 years ago, a slut would (rightfully) be shamed for being a slut. No one would be a gentleman to a slut.

Now, so many women are sluts it's hard to tell which is which. You should never be a gentleman to a slut. I see no problem in being a gentleman to a woman that isn't a slut, and that you command respect from via looks, wealth, status, etc.

If she's a slut, be a "gentleman" and politely tell her she isn't worth the time.

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. I just think that its a good idea to qualify the conditions of your statement since we used to have a different setup in the US and West as well as many readers here living in places which are very different and likely just starting to change into this ugly beast that we are stuck with now.

[–]enjoy_life88 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Good example of many truths that can't be preached enough.

[–]retal1ator 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It seems to me that most guys end up into this subreddit because they are originally very confused on the difference between being a "nice guy" who is ready to take any shit from women while having no self respect and being a "nice guy" who is actually a care-giving individual but in a way not preventing him from being a confident and self-respectful person ready to step back if necessary.

"This is why you need to improve yourself, brothers."

I disagree. This dude didn't get into that mess because he didn't improve himself; he did becuase he lacked any common sense and self respect and it's obvious a girl won't really respect you if you're the one putting yourself at a lower level first (by accepting her back no question asked...). This shows why you should be a complete human being with self respect and confidence, nothing more.

[–]banjew 94 points95 points  (40 children)

Basically as you SMV increase, difficulty for fucking women decrease exponentially. This history confirms it.

Everybody knew this, but hits you hard when you experience it in person. Some people are born with sky-high SMV (genetics, height, etc.) most of us have to work like slaves to increase it. The question is, it's worth it? depends on where are you in life, may be, may be not.

[–]Shaney96 24 points25 points  (21 children)

And what would make it not worth it?

If your life situation bears few opportunities, surely it's worth either changing your environment, or working towards the future, knowing you'll sometime be in a place where you'll be able to reap the rewards you've earned due to putting in the work from less-opportunistic times?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 49 points50 points  (6 children)

what would make it not worth it

If the reward is a sweet, faithful wife who is with you forever, fucks you when you want, and takes care of your house and family then that might be "worth it."

With todays crop of females? You really have to ask if it is worth it trying to be attractive just to please these harpies. Answer: You better be improving for a reason other than just smashing tang.

Because guess what? They are NOT worth it.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Come for the bitches, stay for the self-improvement. Or vice versa; I don't give a fuck.

[–]TRPDigesting 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Here's a fun, quick definition on what a harpy is.

In Greek myth, the Harpies (meaning "snatchers") were female monsters who caused mischief, tormented wrongdoers, and carried souls to the underworld. They were known for their hideous appearance and smell.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well they can't fly but those fat wives cause mischief, torment husbands, and drive their souls to the underworld They also definitely start to smell if you leave them out in the sun to long.

[–]Shaney96 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can appreciate that developing yourself for the hope of attracting a unicorn would prove dissatisfying, however there are reasons why people go through the - often painful - journey.

Having the side effect of attracting beautiful women definitely contributes motivation towards increasing SMV, I believe.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the ultimate goal for TRP is becoming a man, at least it's my goal. Every step of self-improvement gives you a better foundation.

Knowledge of the female psyche

All contribute to becoming a better man, giving you more control of your life. And you'll find out how to domineer women instead of letting the opposite happen.

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered]

Because when you hit success like Elon Musk, you don't know who you can trust and it's lonely at the top.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Careful who you look to for examples of "success."

Elon needs the education you're getting here as much as anyone.

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered]

Ok...what I said doesn't change. If you've reached success of whatever definition, it becomes harder. If I'm getting chicks now as a skinnyboy I appreciate that. If I get ripped and chicks want me, I become resentful.

When you improve and people treat you better just because of some superficial shit (looks, money, prestige), you have no choice but to become bitter. That's my biggest fear on the journey — people who are only there for the finish line. I've only met one guy a few years older than me, who is genuinely out there trying to improve his community and he's one of my closest friends/mentor.

McGregor got lucky. He wasn't shit and his girl still stuck by his side for however many years. You think he would treat her with the same level of respect if he met her after his success? If I had a girl who saw my potential now and stuck by my side until I became huge, I'd spoil the fuck out of her out of respect. That's my rp fantasy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You have a Blue Pill fantasy to which you wish to employ Red Pill methods.

You are resentful of the fact that "just be yourself" is a lie, and that a "ride or die bitch" who's there from the "beginning" is not really a thing for most people.

You're young by the sounds of it, so it's OK to be idealistic. Just don't be stupid. People will attempt to use you for your entire career and personal life.

I thought I had a unicorn when I married my wife right out of undergrad. I was fit, socially adept, and had "potential." Everything went great until I was physically compromised. Without the RP recognition of why she felt the desire to "trade up" I would have never made the changes to myself mentally and physically to assert that I'm the prize.

I keep her around because she adds value to my life, not because I'm under any illusion that she's "special." Just remember, that she was around 20 years ago at the "beginning" too. AWALT.

[–]Shaney96 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But it's true that women will go for a guy whom they believe has that potential, that driving force.

If a guy's 'made-it' but has plateaued, he's (generally) going to have less success than a guy who's only half-way there, but is quickly making progress. That's a 'general rule', but if you've read about I think you know what I mean.

McGregor's bird saw that potential and his dedication towards his ambitious goals he set for himself, and therefore stuck by. He was/is probably selfish and was focused entirely on himself, so that lack of neediness kept her coming back for more.

[–]maniclurker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Spoiling a woman is inherently not rp. Just think about that word: spoil. It means something goes bad.

Treating a woman like you're lucky to be with her means that she will have less respect for you. There are no unicorns, AWALT, etc. Keep that in mind at all times.

[–]Algoresball 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Elon probably has countless 10s throwing their pussy at him whenever he walks out his front door. When you're worth as much as he is it's more an issue of struggling with deciding who you let close to do.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Why does his abundance mentality suck so badly then? Because he places used up Depp scraps on a pedestal.

RP awareness would free him from that soul crushing need that he has to be in a relationship.

[–]cookin_breakfast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol I don't think anyone here is reaching Elon musk status any time soon.

[–]banjew 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Time. Time is precious, at some age, I think it's not worth it to spend your day lifting to look awesome and be able to pick up 20-years old, if you are 50. I don't mean, don't lift. But it's stupid to try to look 20 yo younger and drive a motorcycle at 50. I mean, do it if you like it, but not to pickup girls.

[–]Nicolacho7 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Working out and eating right isn’t only for getting girls. It’s for yourself. It increases every aspect of life. I used to be 70 pounds heavier and losing them has increased every aspect of life. People treat me differently just because of the way I look now.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If that's your priority at 50 then do it bruh. The lack of conviction in your statement betrays the idea you even agree with it. People can do whatever they want whenever for whatever reason and they won't give a fuck. There is no pattern or 'should do'. There is only doing and not doing for whatever reasons you choose.

[–]AncientDragons 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If someone is single at age 50 (and it happens all the time), staying fit and riding a motorcycle probably guarantees that you are meeting more attractive women of your age range as well.

[–]Timthetiny 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At some point of Mrs just another woman. Why go through the entire exhausting rigamarole. Most of them bring little to the table.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 138 points139 points  (5 children)

You're an ignorant fool if you think it isn't worth it.

Raising your SMV does more than just raise your sexual prospects.

[–]Heinzdoofens 31 points32 points  (0 children)

It is not give respect and take respect.

It is command respect and take respect.

No one will take you seriously if you don't take yourself seriously.

[–]Galactic-Unicorn 15 points16 points  (3 children)

It's not even questionable if it's worth it. The benefits to social status and interactions alone are worth it. What's worse is it is the top comment.

[–]maniclurker 10 points11 points  (1 child)

TRP has a weird flux. Sometimes, the extremely blue-pilled shit gets major upvotes. Sometimes, a veteran's retort is enough to deter the upvotes, if the reply is quick.

[–]Galactic-Unicorn 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Last few months some seriously BP stuff has been getting upvotes. This isn't even complicated. Lift, be healthy, dress good, ads value to your life. The rest cones by itself.

[–]TrogRP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Increasing SMV has a pretty positive correlation with living an interesting, happy, and self-fulfilling life given that those things increase your SMV.

If you have a high SMV you worked for, you're happy and confident. If you're unhappy, you're SMV isn't high either. And who doesn't want to be happy with their life.

[–]scamper_22 10 points11 points  (0 children)

i know this may come across like an after school special, but increasing your SMV to get a girl is like a girl being fit to get a guy. Meaning if you dont get what you want you do end up questioning why you do it in the first place. like that hot girl who turns fat and lazy. and you get fat and lazy guys.

no increase your SMV for yourself. be in great shape for you. excel at work or hobbies for you.

if your perception is i want a great job with lots of money so i can get a hot girl, you're her bitch. i dont even know how youll be able to keep up that motivation for life.

get a great job for the life style u want. if u into rich things and fancy cars... go for that... the girl will fall in place. if youre into a modest self made life running your own landscaping company... go for that .. the girl will fall into place.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 16 points17 points  (7 children)

The question is, it's worth it? depends on where are you in life, may be, may be not.

been feeling this way myself lately.

[–]NitricTV 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Bitch everyone respects you more it’s not just sex but everything in life. Don’t ever stop.

[–]2awalt_cupcake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

im talking strictly about fucking. thinking about getting a gf and just lying about commitment the whole time. having pussy on tap might be for me right now.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you didn't think it was worth it, you wouldn't be here.

[–]2awalt_cupcake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

can only do so much.it takes time and until I get to the next step it's been wasting my time.

[–]CapitalDragons 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Check out MGTOW. A lot of guys end up there because they don't have the discipline to improve SMV but most are men that have decided the whole sex game is more work than its worth.

[–]sourdieselfuel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The truth is that at the current price it is not worth it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 2 points3 points  (0 children)

most of us have to work like slaves to increase it

Speak for yourself. I worked happily to get up here. I loved the journey and the challenge and embrace new ones as often as possible.

The question is, it's worth it?

There's no question or doubt in my mind as to if it's worth it. Where you are in life has no bearing on being the best you can be.

[–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I prefer to put in only moderate and sporadic improvement and I don't like being a slave to my self-improvement. I see traveling as just going to better hunting grounds. We don't talk shit about a hunter who travels for a few days to find the good game. Another strategy is to "lift like your life depends on it" to have a chance at being the stud who gets so much easy puss. For myself its not necessary at all to go up another 10 percentile and its almost entirely just about how I feel about women and for quite some time I find myself completely uninterested in Western life and I see my time here as just a grind to get through. I just don't have much incentive to optimize myself to achieve something that I'm uninterested in. I can go other places to easily find women with the sorts of personality and demeanor that interest me and I'm already good looking enough to make them tingle.

Meh. Well off to the job site to clean up the fire debris. I've been taking a partial break from my web startup since there is so much money in the cleanup. We are taking only modestly huge profits and others are basically robbing the bank. Its IMO Soviet level corruption. Everything is corrupt as all fucking hell and I feel very meh about all of it.

[–]beastnthenight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your SMV isn't based on height or looks. How do I know? Because I'm 6'1" and pretty damn good looking on the right night. Girls will still ignore me and pretend like I'm a creep unless I've shown a high SMV through interactions, preselection, confidence, etc.

Edit: And because I've had a girl swooped from me by an unhygenic, balding, overweight drunken man. All he had to do was display the traits we talk about so much.

[–]doctormav 13 points14 points  (10 children)

What if they leave for a break and get fucked and tell you, and you get back together. Even if you were fucking other girls as well

[–]willowhawk 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Never ever take a girl back after a break unless it's as a plate which she knows about.

If your in a relationship with a girl and she wants a break it's done.

[–]trpcounsel 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Explain this for the newbies. Why does break = done?

[–]willowhawk 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Because a break is a chance for her to have guilt free cock and then return to you when she's finished being a slut.

Even if a girl asks you it shows she is already planning ways to get other cock. So even if you didn't let the break happen shell just be more stealth about it. Either way she's displayed that she doesn't value your cock and is wanting others therefore it's time to cut your loses and hard next

[–]1Tommy_407 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Even if she wasnt looking for cock and in fact didnt do anything with other guys during the break, even if it was just "a break from each other", it shows she is asserting her ability to distance herself from you when you were not agreeing or willing that there should be that sort of space.

[–]willowhawk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Plus that would show that the two of you simply arnt that compatible if she's need a break away from you.

There's 3 billion women there's one who love every day with you. Next the unsure bitch to find the right one, if relationship is what you want.

[–]sourdieselfuel -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It's you're man, come on. I wasn't going to say anything but saw you do it twice.

[–]willowhawk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah my phone has a weird tendacy to auto correct 'youre' to your instead of you're. At this point I simply do not care

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Read Rollos article on rooting through the trash. Once a girl has been down graded, she should never be upgraded again. You wouldn't care if she was fucking other guys because she would never be more than a plate.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Who cares. If she wants to leave let her leave. And when she comes back she can be a plate.

But why invest in someone that has shown no loyalty or impulse control. Fuck em. Literally.

[–]tiberius14 5 points6 points  (10 children)

It's stories like this that make it harder and harder to see any advantage to being with a woman..

[–]MyMostSecretAlt 1 points1 points [recovered]

This sub will kill me for saying it but NAWALT.

A lot of women are like Sarah in this "sex-positive" (i.e. slut) society. All women have slutty urges, yes, but not all women have a good ol' fuck 'n' suck with 10 different Chads every month. Many have only 2-3 partners at age 25, but few that are extremely attractive. That's why you need to be the best you can- so, so many women in this society are whores, OR are ugly. A very select few reserve themself for a top-tier man to marry (well under 1%.) But almost all women will pretend not to be a slut for a rich guy- this is why you also need to spot them from a mile away.

[–]jNSKkK 5 points6 points  (5 children)

This. They are out there. One of my plates (the only LTR prospect) is 24. Easily HB 8, slim waist, nice tits, blonde hair, blue eyes, submissive, good with money, organised, generally a good girl. The best part? She's only been with two guys: boyfriend of 5 years from 16 and boyfriend of 2 years from 22.

They ARE out there. Lift, respect yourself and they will come.

[–]MrTrizzles 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Promote plates? I guess there's some chance of getting someone LTR quality that way but I wouldn't suggest it.

[–]jNSKkK 4 points5 points  (1 child)

People are still people man. You gotta start by fucking them.

[–]1Tommy_407 0 points1 point  (0 children)

are you suggesting you make the girl you have not yet fucked your LTR?? smh. they all start as plates bro once you swallow the pill.

even blue pill guys in many cases are having sex with their girlfriends before anything is official, especially if their libtard feminista type people.

[–]ChRoNic_Ally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never interpreted the abbrev. AWALT like most do. To me, it's not All are like "insert adj.". Its a nature thing, more like all have the potential to be "insert adj.". Not necessarily all women are blah blah, but they all have the same nature, meaning the same potential. One girl may not ACT upon her slutty, vindictive, hypergamous ways while another girl WILL ACT upon them. They still have the same nature, one just does not act on it.

[–]tiberius14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I got little against the whoring part: let's be honest, we all want to sleep around; so rationally, the fact some women actually manage to do it can't be held against them.

(That said, I would hate to marry a LTR plate, have five kids with her, and later find out she'd slept with 50+ dudes.)

What bothers me is the futility of it all: say you're 5+ years into a LTR with a girl with solid values, who had supported you emotionally and whom you had supported back. Then, your life suddenly takes a turn for the worse: you're financially ruined, your work prospects get a lot worse, your parents are flirting with divorce and using you as a weapon one against the other, the granny who raised you is diagnosed with a rare aggressive cancer. To topple it all, your GF decides all that caring and time you invested in her meant little: she doesn't love you anymore and leaves: it's not that you became submissive or changed much, but the shitstorm of adversity took its toll on you and had to redouble your efforts at school+work and navigating the quagmire your family life had become made you gloomy. Like all storms, it would pass though.

If this happens and you've got no kids, well, it's bad but it's okay: you'll get over it. But if you're married and/or have kids with her, she'll ruin you in the divorce.

Now, I really like women: I find them almost magical and there's something I like in almost any of them; and intimacy with a woman is something great: it's not just the sex mind you, it's the small details, the looks, the perfume, how holding her hand in the winter feels like, the conversations, the trust and feeling of having a lasting bond with someone you think will be with you forever.. but all of that seems like a very "expensive", ephemeral experience and I'm beginning to think it's not worth it..

[–]raphier 32 points33 points  (20 children)

Why would she tell you all of this? Girls are always playing it covert with guys they know, now suddenly she's giving you intel like she's on Guantanamo Bay.

Admit it OP, this is you giving yourself self-fellatio.

[–]willowhawk 62 points63 points  (3 children)

You never been friends with a girl? If you arnt looking to fuck her and are happy being a mate girls will tell you all sorts if they know your not the judgey type

[–]Rodion-Raskolnikov 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Can confirm. I have two female friends post wall who gladly agree with nearly every red pill truth. Trick is to use different language to say the same ideas.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women have an inherent knowledge of the slut-nature of women. They just kind of ignore it, or don't think too deeply about it. But they know.

[–]raphier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there's a difference about being friends and writing novel fantasies.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 38 points39 points  (2 children)

OP was Guy 4. These conversations were their pillow talk.

[–]raphier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That happens after you fuck. Apparently OP fucked her fraternal twin sister. And then had a detailed notebook pillow talk, sure.

[–]MyMostSecretAlt 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why would I give a fuck? Self-fellatio?

I haven't seen her in almost a year. We talked about sex and relationships. Sounds like you don't have any friends, much less girls as friends.

For those wondering, we didn't fuck. I used to fuck her fraternal twin sister. It would be kind of gross.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Admit it: you'd have a threesome with twins if the opportunity arose

[–]Heinzdoofens 9 points10 points  (1 child)

she was asking for your dick

[–]raphier -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yeah right fraternal twin-sister, haha

[–]brotein_synthesis 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Former nice guy checking in. Good story. Couple of key points to consider:

Getting respect from people implies you have the perceived ability to hurt others. Only strength demands respect and admiration from men and submission from women. Nice harmless faggots get walked over and exploited by both genders. It's a dark truth no one tells you, ESPECIALLY if your upbringing was shit to begin with. Thanks, mom and dad. Anyway, I'm fucking drifting.

Rant below:

Beta Billy, you're not an MGTOW, you're a sore loser in extreme denial.

You are not above your high school bullies because you've aced English or Maths and got into a top 10 college.

You're not above having sex and going out just because you've been stung by sexual rejection and faced social ostracism.

You are not above fucking winning and your life will only get shittier year by year unless you do something about it RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

High school never ends.

Rant over.

[–]1Tommy_407 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"High school never ends."

--that quote is savage as fuck my dude and could be a red pill tenet

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unrelated, but here's the darkest thing she told me: Sarah feels like she's been a slut, and wants to change. She's tired of all the frat boys and players whom have fucked her and not stayed around. She wants a man who respects her and doesn't expect her to fuck on the first date.

It's their version of "Madonna-Whore" syndrome.

[–]JockeyQuan 5 points6 points  (5 children)


He wasn't good looking enough. She would be the one jumping​ through hoops if she was attracted to his facial aesthetics she would do anything to keep him around.

[–]MyMostSecretAlt 1 points1 points [recovered]

Facial aesthetics is not enough, at least not for a woman worth keeping around (not that I think Sarah is, not in the slightest.)

Not hitting you personally but it seems like the only people who think Face is everything are incels. Obvious projection- since all incels want is sex once, they think of it from a one-night-stand perspective. In which yes, face is almost everything, along with height, voice, and muscularity.

In an LTR, face is far from everything, for men or women. If you disagree, you clearly have never been in an relationship longer than two months..

[–]leaveitaloneitsfine 1 points1 points [recovered]

In which yes, face is almost everything, along with height, voice, and muscularity.

face still isn't almost everything. you guys have to take a incel and force him to workout until he's jacked and put him on tinder. he may fuck fat girls, but every cute girl will bounce after his mouth opens. you're highly underestimating how behavior works even in "ONS" scenarios. most guys who were good looking in hs naturally got attention and learned these behaviors as a result of abundance. but looks by themselves do not work. there are probably so many tall/handsome dudes in here that can confirm this.

[–]MyMostSecretAlt 1 points1 points [recovered]

In a ONS? If you are tall, ripped and handsome, you don't need to say anthing for a ONS.

For a fling then you do.

[–]leaveitaloneitsfine 1 points1 points [recovered]

In a ONS? If you are tall, ripped and handsome, you don't need to say anthing for a ONS.

you can't get laid by literally saying nothing. or i've never seen it. then again i haven't been inside a club in 10 years.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 4 points5 points  (2 children)

She told me when they argued


And this, friends, is why you cannot rely solely on your looks

Yes, you can.... ...as long as you keep your frame and are willing to discard whatever displeases you. Obviously this guy had a serious problem with this.

[–]bitchpotatobunny 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If it also requires you to keep your frame, it's no longer SOLELY anything else. The definition of the word literally means "not involving anything else".

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The frame if for yourself. If you change your behavior, you will fuck things up. I've experienced this myself.

[–]rathyAro 4 points5 points  (2 children)

She's tired of all the frat boys and players whom have fucked her and not stayed around. She wants a man who respects her and doesn't expect her to fuck on the first date.

I thought TRP said the transition from slut to seeking a beta was because the woman gets past the wall and is no longer desirable to alphas.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I really didn't like that he seemed like he had done those moves before and that I was probably 'just another girl' to him

Because in girl world nice guys are creepy assholes and assholes are nice guys. MUCH better to be the Asshole than the creepy nice guy. THEY WILL NOT APPRECIATE ANY SACRIFICES A MAN MAKES FOR THEM ESPECIALLY BETA MEN.

She wants a man who respects her and doesn't expect her to fuck on the first date.

When she had a man (last week) who respected her and let her decide when he got to fuck she wanted a bad ass who told her what to do.

When she is back on the CC (since last week) now she wants a man who respects her.

I really get pleasure imagining these women dying alone, covered in cat piss.

[–]MyMostSecretAlt 1 points1 points [recovered]

First of all, get your issues sorted out. If anyone on earth (anyone) can make you angry enough to want to see them die, you're a loser. You can choose not to think that way.

Second of all, yup. This particular woman is a perfect example of the duel-mating theory.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe he was saying die alone, as in without a man to leech off of, whilst being a crazy cat lady. Not actually wanting to see them physically be killed.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't have to be angry to want to watch somebody die. Not long ago it was the main form of entertainment for the masses. The Romans reported that women especially REALLY liked to watch men suffer under brutal torture. They made a party of it, laughing and joking while the enemies of Rome died slowly in front of them. Then they went home to their husbands and lovers all horny. Win win!

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Whoa buddy, think you fell off the wagon. Someone use a little too much teeth?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You get that reading the whereareallthegoodmen Reddit.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Says the guy shitposting for the day from incels. Cmon' man. I know you're our swoll edgelord but this is pretty spergy. It's okay, we all make shit posts.

You just have to remove one sentence, one.

[–]TrogRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the name of the game dude, no need to hate on them. Just take reality and roll with it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She wants to settle down with a respectable man who doesn't fuck her in one night yet is doing EXACTLY that? I'm not going to be surprised when she ends up being a single mother. Women like this are absolutely toxic. Avoid them like the Plague, they're only good for a quick pump-n-dump.

[–]enjoy_life88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I really didn't like that he seemed like he had done those moves before and that I was probably 'just another girl' to him,' but ugh if he asked to just be friends with benefits with me I'd do it in a second."

Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

[–]BurnYourFlag 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Here is my opinion, you are clearly beta as fuck.

  1. Why are you having long conversations with this woman about her boyfriend. I would have walked away.

  2. She told you about all the guys she fucked, demonstrating to you that she has no interest in you.

You sound jealous as fuck of this Chad thundercock mark guy lol.

That said theory is on point, but those who can't teach right?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never stop cultivating your worth, and never stop having "options" so that you make act on them if necessary. This does not mean you need to cheat, obviously, but if you don't make other women jealous, your woman will be insatiable, and will cheat on you.

No. Guys should cheat. I don’t understand this sub’s obsession with remaining faithful. I promise you, when she cheats on you she’s not feeling an ounce of guilt. You should always be improving your SMV, working out, making contacts, attracting women and having discreet dates. If your relationship with your actual girlfriend starts to peter out, start looking at your alternatives. A mentality that’s necessary is that a lot of these girls are more or less interchangeable with slight alterations. These relationships are transient, so don’t turn down an opportunity for the sake of remaining “faithful,” because again, they can and do cheat without feeling guilt. Get into a relationship, make it exclusive, and cheat.

[–]williesmokes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]nomochahere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The moral of the story is "BE CHAD AS MUCH AS YOU ARE MARK".

[–]HaitianFire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This girl has no value. If you want to game a girl like this, you're not doing yourself any favors. She has no self-respect. Go after the women who have some self-respect.

[–]SlothOnRoids 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well simple enough..he was a weak minded man. Your girl should sense that you're not going to put up with any bullshit, of course any pretty girl is going to stray.

[–]LouisdeHeisenberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rule one in LTR. NEVER accept a woman who slept with another during a 'break.' EVER. Loyalty and respect are one.

[–]MrTrizzles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why did that line disgust you?

[–]Stay_Hooahdrated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's gentleman game. You can slay these scallywags with an air of panache.

[–]jonpe87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the end it all comes to your sense of self-esteem. Those BP behaviors are the outcome of fear of losing something that you think you don't deserve, and to be sincere if you think you don't deserve the best in life you are totally right. The value of a man is in his capacity and will of conquering reality. The struggle, the survival, civilization, wars, knowledge, science, the blood and lives spend, a man is the most fantastic being ever produced by nature, be glad to be one.

[–]ItsYough123 0 points1 point  (6 children)

So what you're saying is two people in a shit relationship broke up, the girl fucked someone else and then he took her back like an idiot. Who would have thought that was a bad idea?! Why do people on here have to make a massive story out of something that most normal people know is a bad idea? (taking someone back after the dumping).

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Why do people on here have to make a massive story out of something that most normal people know is a bad idea? (taking someone back after the dumping).

For the same reason we have to write massive stories about the foibles and nature of women. To some it is self evident, but not to others.

Taking back a cheating whore is encouraged and expected in this gynocentric society.

[–]ItsYough123 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Taking back a cheating whore is not encouraged at all in society at all. Where do you get that notion out of? It's nonsense like that that gives this place a bad name. Go to the subreddit 'relationships', a place filled with normal people, and 99 percent of people there will say never take back a cheating whore.

[–]Celicni 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Except in this case they'd probably tell him to take her back, as she didn't TECHNICALLY cheat, they broke up.

[–]MarcusAurelius78 0 points1 point  (4 children)

This story sounds really believable. I bet all of this really happened 🙄

[–]MyMostSecretAlt 1 points1 points [recovered]

It did. I don't have any reason to come on here and lie. Seriously, consider what I have to gain by typing this out.

[–]LordThunderbolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gentlemen used to be a rarity in a world of tough guys and savages, they were the exception. Now tough guys and savages are a rarity in a world of gentlemen, they're the exception.

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