"AskWomenOver30" subreddit is at it again... proving RedPill truths while pretending to be progressive and feminist. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: 30+ year old women literally cannot accept the fact that they are lowering in value. They will hamster - and hamster - and hamster - till their face turns blue and the cows come home. Don't ever get in an argument with them, it's a waste of time and will never get through their heads.

Full thread here.

Okay, so imagine the typical girl who posts on Reddit. Pretty vomit inducing, right? That combination of unattractive features, weight, and massive entitlement complex is enough to sour any woman unfortunate enough to be burdened with all of that.

Now imagine what this girl would be like if she's 20 years older, 40 pounds fatter, still hasn't found the right guy, and the world is starting to ignore her because she's post-wall.

That's right folks. I give you the AskWomenOver30 sub. It's chock full of 30+ year old gals who are so unwanted they can't even get catcalled anymore. But instead of being humble, they hamster all day and pretend that everything is fine - because that's how women are hardwired to see the world. They cannot accept a logical and rational based assessment. Everything has to be warped to fit a Girl Power feminist narrative. A great example was this thread yesterday where a girl in her 20s worries about having to settle if she doesn't find Mr. Right eventually.

I am often told that my standards [for a prospective SO] should and will drop in time.

Sure, I understand the notion of the colloquial "wall" and its effect on a female's psychology & physiology.

But I've heard this enough times that I've decided to take pause and ask for guidance.

In fact, I am more bothered with how frequently & how callously I hear this sort of commentary made (especially by spiteful, rejected men). What is your experience with this?

Do you have advice or suggestions?

A response for the next time someone says this?

And observe the responses...

Mine changed. In my thirties I figured out what I wanted in a partner. They went from things like “has to be fun” to “has to be in decent financial standing.” Id say my standards increased as I aged

FUCKING LOL. Just read that shit, gents. That's what women imagine to be higher standards. After having fun with 8%-body-fat-Brad, they suddenly can't get him anymore when they're too old, so they look for a beta provider to lock down. He may not make their vagina tingle but he can at least make their credit cards tingle. Rising standards my ass.

"The Wall" is some Red Pill bullshit. Today I am smarter, stronger, and more self-assured than I have ever been. So what if my pores are a little bigger than they used to be, or that I can't burn off an entire pizza as quickly as I used to.

So you're more greasy and fat, now that you're past your prime. And this is a good thing... how? I think I missed a part of her argument because I am not understanding how she came to this conclusion.

"The wall" is silly. But tbf, some notions about what you want as a young co-ed can be silly too. Lots of people legitimately say things like "6'+, must be better educated, and make more money than me" when, like, just due to the fact that women are getting 60% of higher education degrees, there cannot possibly be enough men with greater educational attainment to go around. That's before narrowing by income, height and whatever else you think is important, obviously. So eventually, "Makes more money" becomes "financially stable" or even "somewhat precarious but through no fault of his own (ie, medical debt)." "Better educated" becomes "Loves his job or demonstrates ambition in his career." "6 feet +" becomes "Eh, whatever." There are more grey area ones like "Can't have had kids" -- some people hold firm on these, some don't. With time we all get more adept at articulating what matters.

So she begins by saying the Wall is bullshit. And then ends her same post admitting that her standards have dropped (6 foot tall has become "meh"). The hamstering is unreal. There should be a winter Olympics sport for this, these women could win some serious gold medals.

That’s stupid. I got way more picky as I aged. When you’re 20, you’ll date just about anyone cause it’s just dating. When you’re 30 you’re looking for someone to buy a house with and have babies and shit, and that is a whole other set of criteria.

I'm not even going to comment on this. Sorry if reading it made your snort coffee out of your nose.

Hmm. Well, how would you describe your standards? Mine haven't dropped, by they did change to focus more on things that are important for building a functional relationship, and less on things that might impress others or make for the most exciting relationship possible.

Say it with me: B E T A M A L E. Notice how she doesn't even specify what she means by a functional relationship... because if she spells it out, it'll be so obvious that she's trying to lock down a naive dopey provider. Must make money, must be good with the kids...

Understand this. Women don't get wiser as they get older - they just get older. The hamstering is still there. The rationalization is still there. Only now it's accompanied by a big dollop of bitterness and attempting to shame men for dating younger females.

Don't fall for it. Do not date these post-wall women unless you want to be part of the above fantasies, ie. a passive guy with a big ATM. Stay frosty.

TL;DR: Women continue to hamster as they hit the Wall, and it only gets worse with each passing year. Don't fall for their rationalizations, understand that it's a desperate attempt to remain relevant in a world that no longer wants them or pays attention to them.

[–]mwait 263 points264 points  (13 children)

I thought this little gem was pretty great:

As for this mythical "Wall" that over-30 women supposedly hit, that's laughable. In the most recent aging-related post on this sub, I wrote that I never felt so visible and exposed than when I was 35-36, and at 38, I still haven't hit this so-called "Wall". My female friends my age and older haven't, either.

Same post-waller a couple comments later:

Just yesterday I was marvelling at how for the first time in my adult life, I don't have to worry about people talking to me because they want something from me, dread the constant unwanted conversations, or have people touch me all the time without my consent... I don't miss that anxiety, fear, and feeling perpetually violated, and it feels so free.


[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 81 points82 points  (1 child)

Good find. I don't know how to type the sound of a hamster wheel spinning after splatting through a wall. Woosshhhplatititititititit?

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (2 children)

It's takes some impressive mental acrobats to reach the conclusion in the second quote.

[–]untonyto 11 points12 points  (0 children)

cue the gold medal ceremony

[–]calicotrinket 9 points10 points  (0 children)

All part of the essential attitude to be a feminist. "Hurr hurr no one's paying attention to me anymore, not because I'm worthless... It's because they've learnt not to touch me!!!"

[–]1redhawkes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

One of the side effects of hitting the wall. You become invisible.

At least she's not going to whine how men objectify her now.

[–]hb8only 1 points1 points [recovered]

As for this mythical "Wall" that over-30 women supposedly hit, that's laughable. In the most recent aging-related post on this sub, I wrote that I never felt so visible and exposed than when I was 35-36, and at 38, I still haven't hit this so-called "Wall". My female friends my age and older haven't, either.

it can be true BUT bitch has now 2 types of exposion

  1. AF who will NEVER commit to her and maybe get a blowjob if offered

  2. betas and incels who she actively despising..

so this so called "exposure" is totally unworthy for her at the end of the day...

[–]Jonlife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol. And what's hilarious is that you can even point this out to them, answer they still don't comprehend it. They need a man to blame for all their misery

[–]tanqop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahahahhahaahha Thank you

[–]Grimsterr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In that same thread you quoted I loved this line the most:

Funny how it turned out that being the young, fetishized object of men's desires actually didn't yield that much in benefits.

Funny how partying all through your 20s doesn't "yield that much".

[–]asotranq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The second commenter probably does mean what she's saying, however she's only talking about her interactions with guys she found repulsive, Aka anyone 6 or below. If she's the type of person to frequent a feminist echo chamber on reddit then there's a decent chance that she never actually got the attention of a real stud but if she did she will be missing the fuck out of that now.

[–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (2 children)

It's hilarious how none of them will go into details about the "complications" of their past partners lol.. (they were probably plates)

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The thread it linked gives the answer here.

EmpressSharylfemale 50 - 55 63 points 4 days ago I'm 51, and I haven't met anyone, male or female, who hasn't become more particular over time.

Translation: I used to like guys that made my toes curl and pussy gush, but then a wallet became more important.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I mean really all it boils down to is situational maximization. You can get it all at 19, some of it at 25... At 51 you can do only one thing, date similarly aged men that are still blue pill who are in the earning peak of their life.

At 51 almost zero physically fit men are even going to be interested, and actually zero high smv men.

[–]Khannahk 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Women will talk shit about the red pill if you actively make them aware of it, but then they'll go ahead and validate our observations & theories without even realizing it, lmfao. Lift, focus on your education, your career, your confidence and don't fucking settle.

[–]m3G4-M4N 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually it was the shit talking about the red pill that made me (female) so interested in seeing what you guys had to say that was so bad,

And what you had to say was the most honest and truthful arguments that completely changed my life from being proud of being a female to being sickened at their disgusting notion to cry they’re being “oppressed” every time a male addresses the flaws in their argument and discuss with them logically.

“You’re bullying me, leave me alone” Or you are actually just trying to have a normal conversation with them like you would with anyone else.... Didn’t they say they wanted to be equal? Bullllshit

[–]sonder_one 165 points166 points  (13 children)

"When you’re 20, you’ll date just about anyone cause it’s just dating."

If that were true TRP would never have been created.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 99 points100 points  (5 children)

Date = fuck raw dog.

Cuz its just dating.

[–]SmilingWatermelon 31 points32 points  (4 children)

I cannot tell you how many times girls have given me a look for wanting to use a condom.

They almost feel insulted it seems.

The raw dog is real.

[–]Redpillandrew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of them was 28, barely fuckable, and she insisted so much that we used no condom, because "feels much beeetter" (oc i didn't give a shit, i wrapped it), and she assured me she was on the pill.... Yeah right.

[–]ShotgunTRP 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They pull a black belt level jiu-jitsu closed guard

[–]says_harsh_things 0 points1 point  (1 child)

^ the real reason not to fuck women with thick thighs

[–]OracleofFl 55 points56 points  (0 children)

I think that means they will any guy buy them dinner and entertain them but they are still going to fuck chad and not some beta.

[–]fake7272 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Date Anyone = fuck any guy she finds attractive because she isn't looking to marry and has allll these options. Now less options and has to be rich and want a family

[–]loloLogic 15 points16 points  (0 children)

She was probably a fat uggo in her 20s too.

[–]CoronaTRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)


For attractive women, men below her SMV are invisible, or at least not seen as men (orbiter is more like a girlfriend)

"When you’re 20, you’ll date just about anyone cause it’s just dating."

In her mind, that statement is true, because she only sees attractive males as "anyone".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I wasn't picky when I was only swiping right on Chad..."

[–]1GreenPiller 62 points63 points  (2 children)

I know this fat 40 year old woman that now wants to get married and is still picky as fuck. She rejects the few options she has because he is either short, fat or doesn't want to marry.

[–]coco5440 85 points86 points  (1 child)

Doesn't want to marry -- translation: Doesn't want to marry her.

[–]gELSK 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Doesn't want to marry her -- translation: Doesn't want to get any women who belittle him for 2 years, then divorce rape.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 20 points21 points  (7 children)

you want to see some real sad shit? go on bumble and you'll see half of the broads that state they're 22-25 look like they're well into their late 30's. they know they won't find a man that they "deserve" by stating they're 38. those guys are looking at the 20-25 age group. its so pathetic looking at those profiles, i almost feel sorry for them. but then i really don't.

[–]Rhynovirus 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Dating apps decrease a man's perceived SMV by 30%. You'll get more out of making yourself diverse, interesting and applying yourself in the real world.

[–]DrMcBortion 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Aside from hypergamy and their 80/20 standards, the stigma of online dating is part of why it I believe that all these dating apps we hear about nowadays are on a quick path to obsolescence; women's standards are so high that they're aren't enough chads to make it even worth a try.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (2 children)

i agree about the real world application, but not if you do it right. tinder is my personal pussy delivery service. I'm too busy to go to bars most of the time. on tinder i match on the hourly basis. i don't swipe right on every profile either. tinder uses an algorithm and will fuck you if you do that. i only match with girls that i find attractive. life is good.

[–]Rhynovirus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There are way better prospects off Tinder if you’re interesting is all I’m saying

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no i absolutely get your point

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dude. The apps are atrocious.

Bumble specifically is full of fake profiles. But it's hilarious this one chick was like 40 and legit had her age listed as 18. Lol

And then the number of profiles that say "I'm not 24/25/26." And then the number of profiles with pics of 1) the pussy hat march, 2) signs of "down with the patriarchy, 3) "nasty woman"/"the future is female", 4) "no trump supporters", 5) "not looking for hookups", 6) "feminist", 7) "intersectional feminist".

LOL it's like a toxic dump over there.

[–]G5_Shadows 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That one lady literally quoted the cock carousel

[–]CatoIntern 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why is everyone in the comments section bitching about OP making a post? This entire sub is literally people writing threads about observations and theories.

[–]morexel 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Because they're mimicking the top comment. Sign of easily manipulated people. It's like prefacing a story as positive or negative. It influences the read.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

People are pathetic as fuck. They look at what others are commenting, and what types of comments get most points, then they'll emulate to get those sweet karma points. Same with other areas in life. They see rich people getting nice cars, so they want nice cars too. Fidget spinning getting all the raves, so everyone starts buying and selling them. There is little to no processing whatsoever other than follow and listen to the most vocal and popular voice in the crowd.

[–]LooRy_Leafson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At first it's only one voice though.

[–]2IVIaskerade 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Every single answer follows the same format

  • Being in your 30s isn't bad and the wall doesn't exist

  • I got more selective as I aged

  • I've got all these good qualities now (never physical) that I didn't before

  • Oh and by the way I'm either forever single or just left a relationship

[–]Phoenixtorment 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I got way more picky as I aged

I've heard this so many times

[–]says_harsh_things 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I get way more picky (about financial assets brought to the table) and have come to peace with the fact that attractive men arent going to commit to me and now pretend that Im okay marrying an unattractive man.

So yeah, her standards went "up". Whats confusing about that?

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 34 points35 points  (11 children)

As women grow closer to 30 or past 30, they tend to be saltier and do mass hamstering to ensure that somehow the problem does not lie with them.

OP should try asking in AskWomen too. Lots of jealous, bitter and butthurt forummers over there.

[–]Trowawayantifap28 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I am kinda new here. What does hamstering mean in this context?

[–]Omnibrad 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Hamstering is simply female nonsense.

Have you seen a hamster run in a wheel? The hamster is a metaphor for female brains. It looks like it is doing a lot of work but ultimately it winds up going nowhere and accomplishes nothing. Then it shits its bed.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The gist is that they will come delude themselves and others by twisting logic to justify why they are in such a state. Coincidentally, the fault does not lie with them

[–]Trowawayantifap28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Makes sense now :)

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (3 children)

sidebar ----->

It's where a small rodent named "rationalization" does a lot of running inside of your head but never actually gets anywhere.

[–]Trowawayantifap28 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I tried to tackle the sidebar a few times, but imhop it is a gigantic mess. There should be one inital post that explains the basic concept and then linking within to the relevant sidetopics that are found in the sidebar. But atm you find mountains of text behind sometimes inconclusiv headlines, by different writers, different format and different websites..

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

imhop it is a gigantic mess.

Most toolboxes are. Look, you're not wrong, but you also highlight a very important point about all this--the conclusions and actions need to be your own. We can't teach you this. You need to take the journey on your own.

[–]Trowawayantifap28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not complaining, no one is paid to do a job here. But it is very hard to get in. I still dont know what AWALT/LTR is. Today i learnd Hamsterweeling. :) there are all these acronyms and if you dont know what they mean you dont really get the meaning of some posts. I am getting there but it is to some degree a slow process.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why I have a hard limit of 28 and a soft limit of 26.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 100 points101 points  (40 children)

and less on things that might impress others or make for the most exciting relationship possible.

Like chiseled abs and a big cock.

Dude. I would respect them if they showed an ounce of responsibility and ownership of their past flippant, biologically driven ways. But they don't. They never show any culpability or introspection or reflection or analysis. Just always vapid "I changed" "I grew stronger" "I relaxed my standards." Do they ever stop and think, "hmmm maybe my behavior is driven by biology and evolution and I'm getting past my prime so I better start settling"?

No. Never. And this is why they shouldn't even have the right to vote.

Edit: surprised to see them using RP terminology. It's becoming mainstream. Lol

[–]FlameAndFrost 1 points1 points [recovered]

Completely agree. I can accept female nature for what it is, but what I take issue with is their utter genius at self deception.

Given this fact, I'm forced to logically consider one of two explanations for the behavior:

1: women are, at their core, terrible sociopathic narcissistic human beings who will act on their selfishness, knowingly and with complete disregard for how it affects other human beings (in a sense, they're evil).


2: women are ultimately not entirely responsible for their own actions. Their biological programming and the psychology of their brains are so designed that you can't entirely blame them for their actions (in other words, they have little to no agency).

I choose to believe they are the second option, because I refuse to believe that the mothers of our children and fully half of the human species are deliberately evil creatures. Given this conclusion however, I am forced to realize that women are not capable of being rational creatures and should therefore be treated differently by society and by the law. I wouldn't go as far as Sharia, but I'd definitely say some traditional systems of limitation and control wouldn't be a bad idea (and yes, voting is the first thing we need to strip from them).

I genuinely fear, however, that I'm mistaken in my belief and that my conclusions about female nature are wrong, that they're actually #1, and that I'm merely taking the blue pill on a different angle.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I can accept female nature for what it is, but what I take issue with is their utter genius at self deception.

You literally just contradicted yourself.

[–]TheReformist94 8 points9 points  (1 child)

They're the first option unfortunately. The second is a coping mechanism for us to deal with the situation

[–]says_harsh_things 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everybody is the first option really. Its just that the ones with vaginas get a longer leash to exercise those feelings.

[–]handklap 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's biology, Darwin, etc. They're doing what nature wants them to do, hypergamy, best DNA to promote the species, provider, protector, etc. Men need to follow their lead and our true nature too.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you've said here. And I think you expand upon some of the roots of my thinking, which I did not say, and therefore my comments tend to scare off most normies because I'm "too extreme." Lol

So to add to that, we are speaking generalities, and there are many intelligent, rational women out there. But the majority are as we have discussed.

I also agree, we need some sort of traditional framework if a healthy society is to result. Otherwise, we get what we have now which is utter shit.

[–]gELSK 3 points4 points  (1 child)

// , Does it matter? Stopeth giving a shit. The sidebar commandeth thee.

[–]ThrownFarAsHellAway0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They want us to do NoGravity

[–]suxxos 28 points29 points  (9 children)

"I changed" "I grew stronger" "I relaxed my standards."

Doesn't it remind you of TRP, though? There is this bunch of angry guys who apparently swallowed the red pill, you ask them "so do you score chicks now?" and they respond "no, but I am a much stronger person", "I don't care anymore", "I'm now focused on myself" etc. This is just the very same level of hamstering.

[–]reddzeppelin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha. There might be some people who really turn things around, but they'd be less likely to come back here, I scored a lot but for a short time I found that what it takes to get laid that often is different from what you'd think. Mostly boldness social skills and some of the opposite of what people would say are good moves in life. I think the red pill needs to take the red pill. But to do so would mean not putting alphas on a pedastle any more than betas do pussy.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what you're saying but honestly there is a lot more analysis and taking responsibility for shortcomings on this sub as well as taking active action to address said shortcomings.

That is a far cry from hamstering away my behavior was X (biologically driven) and now 15 years later my behavior is Y (because of decreasing male attention). It is so passive and non-self-aware that the behaviors are not comparable.

[–]Whitified 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"so do you score chicks now?"

We don't score chicks? Who told you we don't score chicks?

You talking about TRP people or TRP idealogy?

How tf this comment get so many upvotes?

[–]Best_By_Death 1 points1 points [recovered]

would respect them if they showed an ounce of responsibility and ownership of their past flippant, biologically driven ways. But they don't. They never show any culpability or introspection or reflection or analysis. Just always vapid "I changed" "I grew stronger" "I relaxed my standards." Do they ever stop and think, "hmmm maybe my behavior is driven by biology and evolution and I'm getting past my prime so I better start set

personally, there'd be times I can't game at all. But I kept building self-confidence from tough stuffs I was willing to face and so I can tell you results do actually come.

Because for men, our values don't decay with time if we put in the work, monk mode, career, and school. But for women, it's a sadder story so most of the time you can say they're in denial if they say "i don't need it". What do you think they're gonna do? Monk mode their looks back in time?

[–]JudgementalPrick 9 points10 points  (4 children)

What do you think they're gonna do? Monk mode their looks back in time?

Disclaimer: this comment is not only aimed at Best_by_death.

There are many things a woman can do to better themselves. Pretty much all the things that a man can do, in fact. They can look after their bodies, minds and finances, just like us. They can read and learn more about our society and it's ridiculous double-standards and contradictions. They can make their lives interesting. They can redpill themselves.

I'd personally much rather a 40yo woman in great shape with interesting hobbies that has her shit together than a 20yo insecure club rat with nothing to talk about but her hair. Honestly it says something about your own insecurity if the only thing you value in a woman is looks. Sure, everyone likes physical attractiveness, but if one truly has options they would surely be looking for more in a partner.

There are nuggets of good information in this sub, and a lot of stuff to think about, but I don't think all the hostility towards women is productive.

Women will be reading these comments and I'm not seeing any positive ideas on what they should be doing, only complaining that they are acting in a stereotypical way. I know it's just commenting on what we see out there but we should be trying to help that 1% that wants to improve for us. And that's what I think, women want to improve for us, just as we do for them (and ourselves). Everything they do is to attract us, but all we're offering here is "1-be attractive 2-don't be ugly".

I don't know where I'm going with this but I just don't enjoy reading this tone of negativity.

There are good dudes and good women. And there are useless dudes and useless women. Sometimes useless women can change for the better.

I'm seeing a lot of bitter incels type bullshit mixed in with the interesting stuff on this sub.

[–]TurnDownForWhat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If it's a relationship that's in mind you are correct. Woman can better themselves and make themselves more attractive in that sense without their age anchoring them down as much. However, barring Jennifer Aniston I can't think of a girl I'd rather fuck in her 40's than in he 20's and that's what TRP is all about. Some of us are just out here going to war with the sexual market place. Never get married.

[–]Best_By_Death 1 points1 points [recovered]

What you said is something absolutely I'll keep in the back of my mind. However, I have a hard time seeing my peer females already have their lives together honestly, because I've only been stepping into my 20s last summer. So you're definitely correct to assume I don't have options with older and more well established women and I don't think that's a bad thing. Unless I'm 35+ and acting like what you described, I believe it's normal for young guys caring more about looks.

[–]JudgementalPrick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good on you man, good luck out there!

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I've gotten further than most down this path. If you actually pin them down and manage to insulate yourself, or men in general, then it becomes other women or society.

Which I guess at that point, close enough.

[–]classic_coconut -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

they shouldn't even have the right to vote.

Dude, isn't this a bit too extreme?

[–]Alathon 8 points9 points  (1 child)

No. The consequence of western nations permitting females to vote was a transition away from government providing for defense and necessities. Post female suffrage governments started provisioning for females, outlawing patriarchal standards for marriage that made it tolerable for males, and making all manner of short-sighted changes that felt good, on account of leaders who understand that they don't have to make sense or keep their word, just rub their silly fillies the way they like it.

[–]AcerPhoon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Some may be angry at this, but this is true. When the vote about women suffrage was discussed there was also a group that was against women suffrage, warning that it would lead to women losing their traditional roles, degeneracy increasing and slutty behaviour.
That men would be feminized sissies in the future and the lead the nation to decadence.

Now look at the United States today and tell me that they weren't right about that.
You can't. It sadly has become a reality.

[–]ThroatPoka 13 points14 points  (19 children)

Haha. My current LTR and I were having a chat about my cousin's new girl. My cousin is 24, and his girl is 38. His girl is by far the best looking example of a gorgeous post wall woman I've ever met personally. She's tall, pretty face, smoking hot body, and she's not looking for a sugar daddy (of course that's because she recently divorced her high school sweetheart and took HALF ... AWALT?).

Anyway, my LTR was like "your cousin's dating an old lady, that's creepy." I responded with "you wouldn't say that if you had a penis and saw how tight her ass looks in a mini skirt." Gives me the obligatory shit test about me looking at other women, I laugh it off and continue with "what would you think about me dating someone who's 18-22?" I'm 31 and my LTR is a few years younger than me, but approaching the wall. She says "I'd think you were pathetic for needing to date a girl so young and impressionable." I laughed that off as well. To be fair, she's not a feminist and at least she thinks it's creepy when women do it too.

[–]gELSK 30 points31 points  (5 children)

// , Note how in both cases, though, it's the male preference that is creepy, and how the agency of the male is assumed. The women are presumed to have no agency, here.

It's anti-female chauvinism to presume that women are some kind of helpless victims, IMO.

[–]xavine 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Why do you put those things in front of all your comments? // , ?

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 7 points8 points  (0 children)

i too would like to know the answer to that

[–]Pyrrhus272 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It’s a retarded thing some people do to make themselves stand out so people remember their username.

[–]xavine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't want to believe you, but the fact that he's not willing to give a serious answer lets me know you might be right. Cringe...

[–]gELSK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

// , You know those "are you a human" tests you take to enter some websites?

This is what happens to you if you fail too many in a row.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Calling a 38-year-hold hag "girl"...

[–]Rhynovirus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd love to see your LTR when shes 38. Hooo boy thats going to be a shit show when you dump her.

[–]Soulofbuddha -5 points-4 points  (10 children)

i assume that 38 year old had lots of surgery. Is your cousin a chad looking guy? I mean this woman did have kids or not from the previous marriage? if she already got kids and dicorce money i guess hse just wants to have fun with some young dick.

However at 38 she is going to get ugly fast, im trying to imagine her looks, i have never seen a woman close to 40 ans above that didnt have some wrinkly skin, most noticably in the neck area. But if she has a tight ass i guess she squats? still not sustainable for much longer at that age.

[–]ThroatPoka 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Lol. I have no idea whether she's had work done, but I know she works out pretty consistently. She'll probably still be in the hot range for another 5 years. But from what I can tell she has zero wrinkles, and her skin is smooth and soft - she's pretty damn youthful for an olde broad. As far as bodies and faces on older women go, she's a unicorn.

But yeah, my cousin's more or less a stud, and they're just having fun. We talked about it once. He sounded like he was catching feelings. He had been through a rough patch and she was just the thing that got him back up on that horse. I warned him just to be careful, because she parties a lot, and has a lot of guy friends. My cousin's mostly Red Pill, minus how he feels about marriage, but he was basically like "I'm not a sucker," and that was that.

[–]Soulofbuddha 1 point2 points  (2 children)

if you have some more free time to spare could you come up with some actress or model which you think has a similar body and/or face as this woman had?

Also at that age and partying, does she work part time or fulltime? i assume she didnt have any kids. Its interesting because you rarely see that kind of relationship and what dynamics it has especially if it turns into a ”serious relationship” hmm so your cousin is willing to risk it all with marriage despite being redpilled..even chads get fucked over i hope he avoids that fate.

Regardless most alphas do want to pass on their genes, and regardless how that chick looks she should be close to infertile at that age. That should be reason enough to never considering marrying her at least.

[–]ThroatPoka 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'd say she looks decently similar Melissa Rauch. She actually does have kids, and one's almost the same age as my cousin, haha. And as far as I know, she does work, but I couldn't say how often.

As far as my cousin's stance on marriage, his parents have been happily married for over 30 years. Also, all of his parents friends have been married for 20 years plus. He's got no real reason to believe the institution is inherently flawed. He is relatively red pill, but naturally so, not because of this forum. He's still naive about a lot of things, but you only learn by means of ordeal.

I highly doubt he would marry this girl though. I think he knows that she's not gonna be a bombshell for much longer. Plus, he's traditional (and black), and I think he would marry someone his own race ... and younger.

[–]Rhynovirus 0 points1 point  (0 children)


TIL the stars of BBT are all pushing 40.

[–]1Entropy-7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've dated a few who were 40 or just under that had bodies like teenagers. I suppose the point is that if they looked 40, I would not have dated them in the first place. One of those was a dishy blonde whose ovaries were screaming at her. We parted ways because I was not in a position to settle down.

[–]banjew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My LTR (lets call her 'wife') had incredible genetics. Meet her at 31, looked like 22. Divorced at 40, she still was quite hot, looked 27-28.

Saw her today, she's 45 now. She look 45. Age gets everyone.

[–]JudgementalPrick 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I've seen plenty of girls that really take care of themselves be hot over 40 (and without surgery). You probably just misjudged their ages. Women can be hot at 40 for sure.

...just like there are plenty of girls that look terrible for their age at 21.

[–]Soulofbuddha 0 points1 point  (2 children)

im just saying that at that age (around 40) women are likely to be infertile and their looks could be gone over night.

So they are still technically post wall, good for pump and dump but not more than that imo.

[–]JudgementalPrick 0 points1 point  (1 child)


I don't think most people on this sub are looking to be fathers, so why is fertility important?

Anyway you're obviously not interested but I quite like a "technically post wall" woman who is in great shape.

[–]Soulofbuddha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i guess..for me the only thing thats keeping me interested in more than pump and dump is the prospect of having a son, but i can see the benefit in dating a goodlooking postwall woman but they are rare and often come with previous kids which is annoying.

[–]CuttieSark 1 points1 points [recovered]

Who gives a shit about that place, concentrate on improving yourself and your surroundings.

Oh and get off reddit for a bit!

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 76 points77 points  (11 children)

Honestly you can learn a lot from looking at the other side of the coin. It doesn't change anything, but it gives you perspective and helps you calibrate.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (6 children)

So here's the question, then....it is often said, "Watch what she does, not what she says" and more than once I've had women tell me "You don't treat me right, I'm over you" yet when they get "Netflix and chill?" texts, over they come.

However....you think they're more honest in a female space?

[–]CosmicSpiral 15 points16 points  (1 child)

However....you think they're more honest in a female space?

No. Women may relay their true feelings to their closest confidants, but the hamster is a curse of self-rationalization; they can't be truly honest when they can't perceive the fundamental motivations behind their behavior. Furthermore conformity and jockeying for validation is forever prevalent within social groups, so they are even more invested in maintaining an acceptable front when they know others are paying attention.

TL;DR Yes on feelings, but the explanations will inevitably be BS.

[–]handklap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They posture on the internet, "what would Perfect Person say?" trying so hard to give the 'right' answer, not admitting any personality or character flaws

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

On a higher level this comes from her true nature. A woman is an emotional being first. When she communicates she communicates feeling primarily. So she's not saying "you don't treat me right..." she's really saying "I'm unsure of my place in your life, convince me"

Women's hamster wheel is the worst when they are around other women. Here her primary goal is social cohesion and standing. Here she'll say things to maintain her place or improve it. If being a slut is frowned upon she rationalize it away, "I didn't have sex, I only blew him. So it doesn't count". If her social matrix accepts it she'll be fine. If they don't she double down. "Well he lied to me and said he was a banker, I didn't mean to suck his dick"

I'm older than most of you and married, and let me tell you the shit I've heard some of my wife's friends say would blow your mind, especially the single moms (hint, you should discourage their presence they will poison a group).

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not at all. Check my posts in PPD then TRP. You have to box them in and look where they're not trying to evade.

I don't think it's intentional. I think it's part of the hypoagency mental framework.

If you look at my posts it takes a couple angles to answer a single simple question with them. You put that inside the TRP framework and it lights the whole room and let's you know how to play if you have to.

You look for the subtext and build a subtext trap. If anyone cares, I'll elaborate.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see where you're coming from and you have good shit to say, which is why I wasn't dismissive.

build a subtext trap

I'm into subterranean meanderings. It might make a good headline post, but might be lost on bloopies.

[–]gELSK 4 points5 points  (3 children)

gives you perspective and helps you calibrate.

...gives you a deep, painful but gradually numbing sense of cynicism/nihilism and a better understanding of the inner world of targets of manipulation.

sadomasochrist... username checks out.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Meta nuke : this is an in group forum of npd male sociopaths discussing how to systemize narcissistic supply and prevent narcissistic injury who largely associate with bpd women.

What now my boy? Shall we proceed deeper down the hole?

[–]gELSK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

// , What happened to the old fashioned art of accepting a compliment with grace?

Proceed! But there is no victory.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I meant was thank you fine sir.

Oh also, women are nomadic and the nuclear family is a male value system not shared by them. You ready to make the government daddy, for real? Social paternalism 😂

Helloooooo France!

[–]nofilmynofucky 19 points20 points  (6 children)

It's sucks that so many threads on here just get the cookie cutter 'so what who cares stop being lame bro' response

Shaming someone is a very feminine response and I'd encourage you and other users to avoid it. People post things like this to explore the nature of women, if you're not interested then fine but shut the fuck up and leave the topic for those of us that are

[–]notonlyplace 6 points7 points  (2 children)

This is blue pill, let's not learn about a women's nature and reality and our community but rather just work out, a man issues with women isn't for a lack of self improvement but understanding. This is why shitty ass man who are addicted to heroin can score more pussy and get true love than Elon musk who tries and makes the world better

[–]JudgementalPrick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is why shitty ass man who are addicted to heroin can score more pussy and get true love

I agree about the blue pill thing, but men addicted to heroin only love heroin and I guarantee Elon Musk ends up with more love in his life than some heroin addict.

[–]notonlyplace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but the beautiful thing about women is they care not about your accomplishment, they don't care if you go to mars, they care if you love yourself and if your beta.

Elon will have a lot of users pretending to love him, however if Elon takes the red pill he will be a force to be reckon with, whereas the heroin addict will eventually die a horrible lonely death

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Eh, it's just fun to lurk and see the ridiculous things people say. I agree with you though that it can turn into this rage-addicted shit where you sit on reddit for too long

[–]gELSK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

// , sadomasochrist's username checks the fuck out

[–]Solipsistic_guy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Loved their argument on education, considering the fact their so called higher education is in non STEM fields and probably due to the fact that their bachelors degree was useless so now they can at least be a lecturer somewhere.

[–]Gawernator 4 points5 points  (2 children)

My gf could hardly eat 2-3 slices of pizza max, let alone an entire pizza.. lol...

[–]CrashXXL 13 points14 points  (1 child)

its just an act. ive seen her take a whole sausage.

[–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why were you watching me? Creepy

[–]chadwick_thundercock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Mine changed. In my thirties I figured out what I wanted in a partner. They went from things like “has to be fun” to “has to be in decent financial standing.” Id say my standards increased as I aged"

Let me translate: I spend my twenties riding the cawk carousel, and now I want a betabux to provide for my bitch ass.

[–]Jonlife 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Its this sort of ignorance from women that makes them so dangerous. They are literally the definition of insanity... Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. They won't learn and taking any sort of responsibility is literally kryptonite for a woman. They lack agency. Countless posts like this keep professing this, yet here come the "not all women" brigade to comment on here about the 1 percent of women who aren't like this.

No one gives a fuck about the exception to the rule. The majority of women are brainwashed feminists, or closest feminists acting like traditional conservatives so they can trap a man to support them. No matter what, men are a utility to women. They die without male support.

[–]universalabundance1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Dude...I browsed that subreddit for a bit due to curiosity...

Couldn't bare to read more than 5 mins of that crap. They seem like a bunch of stupid losers trying to stay relevant.

It's the decline motherfuckers, and women like them are losers in denial. Ain't nobody wants you anymore for LTR.

[–]Shakydrummer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This shit is real. When my mom was in school during a career change, there were a lot of post wall women in her class. She was single at the time, but all the women in her class kept on telling her to date down and find a weaker man with money. Quoted from how she said this to me when she told me the story - 'find an unnatractive man with money, and he'll worship you'.

[–]phoneticau 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I agree, look on 45 plus social media groups number of older women posting selfies & thirsty men are giving them kudos & likes, makes every women between 16 to 86 with a sense of high worth

[–]alvlear 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There must be some economic value that one can harvest by exploiting hamsters this strong.

[–]NotLuceBree 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s stupid. I got way more picky as I aged. When you’re 20, you’ll date just about anyone cause it’s just dating. When you’re 30 you’re looking for someone to buy a house with and have babies and shit, and that is a whole other set of criteria.

Fantastic! Then I'll just keep on fucking 20 year olds for now, thanks!

It shouldn't surprise me at this point, but I gotta say recently I've had my mind blown over and over again at just how lacking in self-awareness so many women are, and how that lack of self-awareness is only eclipsed by their lack of understanding of men.

The one female commenter that actually DID acknowledge ridiculously high standards still couldn't stop herself from resorting to shaming RP-aware men as spiteful and rejected. They just cannot fathom that our views might be informed by our SUCCESS with women, not our inability to get them. They think that we hate them--and to be fair, there's a lot of hurt, angry schmucks clogging this sub--but that's not quite the case. We merely SEE them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who cares what they say aren't women boring and predictable anyways.

[–]Nomfwic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that sub was created by a trp guy just for the laughs . Women are so easily baited into nagging and complaining and making the name with "over30" in it just gives these haggs a place to call home while moaning trp truths left right and centre.

[–]1SirKolbath 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Why in the name of Kellogg's cereal are you wasting your precious seconds on this earth reading that subreddit?

[–]Datanami 11 points12 points  (0 children)

To offer us a good slice of laugh.

[–]gELSK 5 points6 points  (0 children)

// , Evidence, evidence, evidence

Why in the name of Kellogg's cereal

I'm using this.

[–]Rhynovirus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lots of incel rage echoing through this chamber. Watch out for it if you're new to TRP.

[–]reddzeppelin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look you're full of yourself and are basing value on your own subjective interpretation. The lady in the photo is big yes, but did you know that larger women have more estrogen? She's the wife that's worth more cows in Africa where food is limited. In America we judge her because food is unlimited and we see her as having less self control. Even if it's genetics priorities etc.

I have 8 percent body fat. Women don't care. They'll pretend as if I can't fuck them for hours until I do, which is accomplished not by the virtue of having great fitness but getting to know them socially. I might get looks while running shirtless or stretching and dancing but that's it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you can't accept that, want to think it's objective, then you are the one who can't face reality.

You're doing the male version of what women who call men who don't get laid often losers do. Using outside validation to determine an individual's self worth. If I tell you that I haven't had sex in a month you'll assume I'm in worse shape or have worse social ability than men who have. that or they have worse ability. But they tried.

Stop being a critical asshole to people who you wouldn't want anyways and focus on the people you do.

[–]futmut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude stop obsessing over dumb things like these...Why the fuck would you lurk on a subreddit like AskWomenOver30? I think bluepill might be the right sub for you..

[–]wolverstreets 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is women asking for a dude with a good head on his shoulders a beta?

I mean, if you were a broad would you want to fuck irresponsible shitheels that didn’t gaf for the rest of your life?

Most broads want a family. Not to get knocked up by some dude then spend the next 20 years chasing alimony.

[–]CharlesX0l0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He is beta if he accepts a post wall woman. From a market perspective it is complete idiocy for women to give away their peak fertility and sex in their early 20s to complete shitheads (like me). Similarly it is complete idiocy for a good dude with a great job to give away his time and resources to a post wall hag. Young 20s is the best time for a woman to find the absolute best provider and lock him down with kids. I am not surprised that women don't understand the sexual marketplace, they don't even understand the regular marketplace nor do they barter.

[–]Spets87 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

What is the point of this post OP? Who gives a shit about their rationalisations. In a way, guys do it too as they age. In my 20's I fucked anything decent with a pulse. Now in my 30s I am more picky and looking for plates that are actually interesting to be with (educated + high self esteem). So if it was plating a 7 with other good qualities or an 8 with nothing else besides her pussy, I'd choose the 7. But I guess that comes with time and realising an 8's pussy is just pussy in the end.

[–]coco5440 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, its hard to hang out with boring women no matter how hot they are.

[–]gELSK 9 points10 points  (0 children)

// , Some of us need more than just the sidebar to get enough evidence of this.

[–]murt98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m just gonna put my ani-gay beliefs to the side and just change teams

[–]martinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amen brother Great find and post

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why you even on that subreddit?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are any of you reading through the post wall women subreddit?

You really got nothing better to do than seethe?

[–]b0utch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We are all on the same boat, men don't become more attractive after 30 either... We just get more mature and financially stable... If you do your homework. TRP is no better.

[–]MrButtholePoopy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

this is the kinda shit post that makes me question whether the red pill actually has any value at all.