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Men's RightsDark times : For some of us, we’re already fucked, don’t be like the rest of us. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by chuckthundercock

Well, given the last 25 years of my career, it’s only a matter of time until the harpies start coming out to dissect my body and carve up the pieces.

I’ve deeply hugged, kissed on cheek, even kissed on lips colleagues or clients. Been with business associates to strip clubs, ktv in China, it was all part of the job in high finance.

This wasn’t something you couldn’t weaponize until this year. “I’ve always been a fuck it, do what I want sort of guy.” Well, I’m going to pay for that.

That worked in the old world, but in the new world, you will be convinced in the court of public opinion for any indiscretion or post drinks snafu by any woman whose hamster has decided she can use you to better her position. Briffaults law comes back to haunt us. Just when you think she threw you away, women in industry are going through their grab bag and digging out whatever they can to virtue signal and destroy careers or extort.

There are now even lawyers and PR firms that are advertising to leverage this and build a client base.

I’m just powerful and public enough that I’m a likely target. As this whole movement has escalated I was hopeful but my wife has basically told me I should start on an exit strategy now because I’m fucked.

Couple guys in my office have already gotten legal counsel and advice. In finance it’s a party hard with super high net worth clients and part of my duties have involved circumstances with colleagues that could be in the wolf of Wall Street.

The mrs is already looking at places for us to relocate too where you can still be a man. Note: not the United States or Europe.

I’m fortunate enough that the Mrs is RP enough and ride or die enough to help plan my damage control and inevitable exit. I think the 50 or 60 cases you are seeing in the news will end up being in the thousands. I know some of these headline holders and have watched women throw themselves at them. Women have open season to craft whatever narrative they want now though.

My advice is, if your still young, unimportant, and new to the sub, Avoid working with women period. If you can’t afford to, stay isolated and vigilant. Stick to hookers and sugar babies, as I can predict this creeping further beyond industry but dating as well.

I’m not a huge fan of mgtow but if there is a version of mgtow that includes whores and sugar babies, I’d advocate for that.

Always appreciate any advice for others who are in the same situation and looking over your shoulders.


[–]deadassfinna 97 points98 points  (35 children)

What about recording audio on your phone each time you encounter or sleep with a women so you have proof of consent etc. Thats what Gabble Tootsie did

[–][deleted] 89 points90 points  (15 children)

you can look around online... there are all sorts of disguised security cams. i have one over my bed and another in my living room that's a fake smoke detector. download every single sex session.

if any girl ever tried to pull shit, i'd come back swinging hard. defamation lawsuits, and post her shit on the internet. when women start getting wrecked for lying, they'll stop.

[–]allrandomworldnews 72 points73 points  (0 children)

If you post it on the net she can definitly find a way to fuck you up. Dont do that. Just show it in court infront of her friends and family.

Esit: bonus point for dragging the process out as far as possible and suing her for your costs. Thus ruining a liars life.

[–]DrankOfSmell 18 points19 points  (13 children)

That definently doesn't sound legal. Posting the footage anywhere when the participant wasn't aware they were being recorded.

[–]underrainow 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Crap. Well if anyone lives in California, it is a two-person consent state. An illegal recording without the consent of all parties results in Punishments for Violating Penal Code 631.

"Wiretapping is a “wobbler” crime; meaning that it may be charged either as a misdemeanor or a felony. Misdemeanor violations are punishable by a maximum fine of $2,500, or imprisonment in the county jail for up to 364 days, or both"

So possibly up to one year in a county jail.

Crap... Still better than a rape charge though.

[–]DrankOfSmell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can't argue that. Just want to clarify that it was the posting I was concerned about, not the recording itself but I don't have enough legal knowledge to say anything

[–]FTFSM 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well if anyone lives in California, it is a two-person consent state. An illegal recording without the consent of all parties results in Punishments for Violating Penal Code 631.

Not a lawyer and could be wrong, but from my understanding, this does not apply to private residences. If you happen to have a security camera in your house for security reasons and it catches something that exonerates you, I believe that is legal.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

only audio recording is illegal without the consent of all parties and even then that's only in some states.

and what's she going to do, testify that she commit perjury and filed false police reports by admitting it's her? it's like going to the cops to claim someone stole your cocaine.

[–]lookdeepintomyeyes 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Better a wiretapping charge than a rape charge.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure you could get slapped with both since the recording might get thrown out since it was obtained illegally

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 7 points8 points  (2 children)

If you put signs in your house "By entering these premises you consent to being recorded" then this should protect you from any criminal charge.

[–]Phunkyave 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can’t see how that would have any drawbacks.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 45 points46 points  (5 children)

In a he said, she said situation you are fucked. Either you are always recording or you can get fucked.

[–]Omnibrad 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Make sure your country/state laws allow audio recordings in court. Some are inadmissible without consent of being recorded by both parties.

I have seen paternity tests, DNA evidence, prenups, and all sorts of other stuff get thrown out of a court.

Point is you can still get fucked with a recording, though not to detract from the value of a recording in general.

[–]deadassfinna 5 points6 points  (1 child)

My country you can if you are involved in the conversation in the recording. But yea you may have to do what telemarketers do and state before being alone with her "this interaction is recorded for legal purposes" lol "Do you consent to sex?" "Yea" "Sorry I need a clear YES" "YES!" Sex is going to be treated like sales calls in the future haha

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"This sexual interaction is being recorded for quality control purposes."

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (3 children)

This won't solve everything - she can say "that was a different event"

[–]Purplefilth22 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Thats why you don't just play your video tape card right out in front. You get her to explain the details of the encounter. The time, what both parties were wearing, how the encounter went down before the "act". People tend to sprinkle truth into their lies. The video tape isn't the end all be all its too help discredit her.

[–]SolomonPierce 24 points25 points  (0 children)

And Dennis Reynolds. He's a 5 star man!

[–]2Dmva100 8 points9 points  (1 child)

All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise

[–]jackandjill22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women are tricky dude. If you've ever seriously interacted with girls you know how they finesse & attempt to con you into a situation in which you can unknowingly, be seriously Fucked.

[–]allrandomworldnews 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Put video surveillance in your house and always take them back to your place. If needed put a sign in your yard/ on your front door or whatever. Record on nas and upload encounters to a second location. Cloud or fileserver so you cant get wrecked by cops taking your pc or failing harddrives.

[–]wayneinthegame 294 points295 points  (45 children)

You are viewing the situation like masculinity is a stock that is crashing and you need to SELL!

Don't run on the bank yet, we need cool dudes to hold their position. The whole world hasnt gone mad, the media only portrays it that way.

Being a man is living your truth. Don't sell it out of fear.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 74 points75 points  (4 children)

Lol yeah OP take the risk and stay because you're a MAN.

[–]BonelessSkinless 59 points60 points  (3 children)

Smart to have an exit strategy... stay until you feel the axe at your neck and RUN

[–]Fryguy48 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Pre-emptive maneuvers are a safe bet.

[–]BokehClasses 9 points10 points  (1 child)

D E L U S I O N

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This society cannot be saved. In fact, this sub is proof of this claim. If this sub really wanted to save society, they would be working towards re-implementing patriarchy and taking away female privileges. But this sub doesn't care about that (rightly so, because it's a lost cause). This sub advocates for living a degenerate lifestyle, with the chase of pussy and other forms of casual relationships.

How does this degenerate lifestyle help society? The answer is, it doesn't. In fact, it helps destroy society even faster. So please, stop pretending that this sub actually cares about the long term future. Most men have basically realized that we are fucked, and the best path in life is to pursue our own self interests while society is collapsing.

We men are losing, and we are losing fast and hard. No point fighting and dying for a lost cause. Let it all burn down and let the new men build something new and better.

[–]johngalt1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That involves holding women accountable and showing no mercy to the wicked among them.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 46 points47 points  (12 children)

It's going to burn. The Enlightenment is over and the consequence is unavoidable--the end of a civil order that overtook the world and created skyscrapers and iPhones. You can't hold the line when the ground beneath you is giving way. I can only speculate what will replace the old order, which does us little good. Build yourself and be ready. Truth be told, most of us will be old or dead when the new order takes form. So.... enjoy the decline.

[–]Alathon 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Amusingly, such a decline does promise an end to this budding era of accusations for profit and glory. These accusation-games are utterly dependent on the willingness of the targets to engage with the accusers strictly through lawful channels. To spend money on lawyers, publicists, to make statements to media outlets.

At some point, some bright spark is going to come to the conclusion that, "my life is ruined, everything I worked for is dust... so I'll murder those who ruined it and commit suicide by cop". The murder of accusers, lawyers, and whoever else, and the follow-up execution at the hands of a twitchy LEO, will be broadcast on all the channels. There will be all manner of boo-hoo-hooing over it and then there will be copycats. Society will be less peaceful, less lawful, less trusting.

Which it is already doing for many reasons. As rule of law fails, it will become increasingly practical for the wealthy and powerful, such as the OP alleges himself to be, to make like the Clintons and lead a life full of fortunate accidents and suicides. This will of course go far beyond allegations of sexual misconduct, spreading to all types of conflict. Law officers, beleaguered in leftist population centers, will mutter "twenty and done", keep their eyes down and mouths shut.

Now is a fine time for one to make some bank, so as to have the option of providing for ones safety and security in the decades to come.

[–]2Dmva100 4 points5 points  (0 children)

True many women would think twice if the town bike lied about rape, bragged about it over drinks on Friday, and then got her neck snapped by some angry dudes father or even angry GF/wife.

Hell even that guy in Ohio tried to shoot a judge who fucked his kids life up over a rape charge.

[–]nikosteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbh if shit goes down as bad as you say it will -you can just take it at the time enjoy the good life now

[–]unpluggedoasis 12 points13 points  (4 children)

WW3 - no countries involved. It will be a mass civil war within western nations. Nationalists vs. Globalists, traditionalists vs. regressives (they call themselves progressive) etc.

I am convinced it is unavoidable now.

[–]Wraithwain 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The way things are going, I sometimes begin to think the conspiracy subreddit might actually be on to something, underneath all that paranoia.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The Enlightenment is over..."

Damn that is deep, but I have to agree that it really is over. And women killed it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 18 points19 points  (2 children)

The stakes are pretty fucking high at the moment. If you are a traditional masculine man in a top function you either need to play it hard or stop working with women.

I'm talking cameras, recording every movement, leverage on everyone, machiavellian like social manipulation, exit strategies, etc.

When some random office chick decides to create a fancy story to rake in some cash you need cold hard evidence that you weren't at that location at that time, have audio/video/witness evidence of all your interactions, have her friends, her boss, your boss, hr and her mom in your pocket and manage your reputation like there is a fucking PR firm on that shit. Even then you are one viral social media post away from eating shit.

I'd encourage any man in that position to go for it but if you do you have to be all in and be proactively managing the risk.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

cold hard evidence that you weren't at that location at that time, have audio/video/witness evidence of all your interactions

How the FUCK are you going to keep a record of where you were AT ALL TIMES, 25 YEARS AGO? This is insane...

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Exactly. Op seems like he's tucking tail and running out the back door because he might get pinned for harassment? Gtfo of here.

This is exactly buying into the fear and manipulation the mainstream is pressing down everyone's throat. Be a fucking man and stop giving a fuck about the opinions of shit women and fagget beta men. Which, btw is the majority of the population.

Sure, be aware of the risk, but by God, don't come to trp, pretend to be in control of your life, then run away like a fucking bitch at the first sign of possible defamation to the perception of your character.

Shaming tactics are for beta men to continue behaving the way they should. Real men do, think and feel the way they want to. Lead by example and fuck society and its warn out, fear mongering, half cocked opinions.

This is societies 2017 shit test. And women only shit test men who display a lack of congruence in who they say they are vs how they behave. Society only shit tests men who are acting like alphas but are extremely beta in reality.

[–]BokehClasses 5 points6 points  (2 children)

don't come to trp, pretend to be in control of your life

I almost envy your naivete. Ah, it must be nice to think you are in control. How many men do you think thought like you and still got fucked?

Looks like you are someone that needs to learn the hard way, but I hope for your sake you end up waking up to reality before it's too late. There is only so much you can do to be in control, but at the end of the day you are at the mercy of society.

Shaming tactics are for beta men to continue behaving the way they should. Real men do, think and feel the way they want to. Lead by example and fuck society and its warn out, fear mongering, half cocked opinions.

And now you yourself use those shaming tactics to get us to man up? Well, ok. Fair enough. But remember that shaming only works when there is the is the infrastructure in society for it. Shaming men into being alphas doesn't work effectively anymore.

Is being a "real man" is worth it when you end up losing your job or getting sent to prison? At least you ended up holding frame and being an alpha bro?

This is societies 2017 shit test.

That's very naive. How can you deny that there is a legitimate targeting and threatening of masculinity. It's moved beyond the point of just being a shit test, your very life is on the line now. You need to blend into the background if you want to survive as a man. And yes, that involves knowing when to control your alpha side and not show it off.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

First, I'm not shaming anyone. I want each individual to think for himself and make his own mind up.

I want men to realize that this entire charade is due to men following suit. It is beta conformity that has allowed it to grow into a fucking epidemic.

Yes, it is a trying time, but to begin the battle with a defeatist attitude is exactly how you remain a trampled on beta fag.

Nieve? Sure. Certainly. Of course. If I found myself under the microscope I would be writing a different comment. But, I'm not. So many men aren't being targeted. These are the men who make up the bulk of the popular opinion. The opinion that will dictate where our future resides.

This shit test is exactly like any other. Our forefathers fought tyranny with guns and grenades. Have we become so emasculated we can't even stand up to sjws and beta fags in the face of unpopular opinion?

It is a slippery fucking slope we're on and perspectives like yours are exactly the ones which allow a complete overthrow of rational society.

Grow a pair, risk your reputation and do something about it instead running, hiding and complaining.

[–]juliman17 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Good fucking point.

If the real men left start running away. Then they win. No more opposition= free access to destroy what´s left of society.

Unfortunately there will be casualties. But if it wasn´t for people like James Damore, what would be left of this fucking world.

We don´t know OP´s position exactly but if we all just chickened out. Then we are just a bunch of betas that for defending our personal interests we give a shit about the big picture.

Must be a hell of a tough choice though, when defending our personal interests means trying not to get crucified in every single goddamn aspect of our fucking lives.

[–]gELSK 5 points6 points  (6 children)

// , I wonder if the Jews had similar conversations with themselves in Weimar Germany.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Sure except ALL women were not clamoring to destroy the Jews in Weimar Germany. Neither was the great weight of society trying to destroy Judaism at that time.

Today's society vis-a-vis men is well past the point of the Weimar Jews. Today men have already lost power. We are already (metaphorically) in the streets cleaning up broken glass. The Night of the Long Knives was Bill Cosby.

This is Kristallnacht not Weimar Germany and it is already way too late.

The cattle cars are already requisitioned, the plans for the death chambers are already drawn up, and the Zyklon B is on order.

[–]El_Ejcovero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The media is only panicking because their "men" turned out to be pedophiles and "abusers." So I agree there is no need for any of us to panic, especially because their "men" weren't even remotely masculine to begin with.

[–]no_face 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I’ve deeply hugged, kissed on cheek, even kissed on lips colleagues or clients.

In the 80s and 90s, occasionally sleeping with clients colleagues was a given.

Also, colorful language, occasional boorishness was frowned upon but forgotten.

There was no need to destroy careers because "he groped me when we posed for a photo" or "he kissed me".

Nearly EVERY man I know has said or did something that was off-color. All this pretending to be saints and calling on others to resign is such bullshit.

Do what Trump and Moore did. Deny. Their careers are fine. Look at the careers of those who admitted and apologized. Their careers took a hit.

Just say "Im not gonna discuss nonsense, if you have evidence, then we can talk."

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (10 children)

If it makes you feel any better, most guys only give a shit about this stuff for theater.. Make the women around us happy and not deal with the barking if we were to engage in an actual discussion based in logic and rational thinking rather than simple knee jerk emotions.

Most of us know deep down inside that most of these incidents were probably the woman using her body to gain some kind of upward mobility in the workplace because she didn't feel like working as hard as the men were. Then a couple of years later, she felt like a ho, learned about 3rd wave feminism and realized she's the victim.

Most guys are quite skeptical of what's going on but they won't show it because they don't want to get labeled "woman hater" and shit like that.

[–]3nebder 17 points18 points  (9 children)

The shit will continue until a powerful enough man gets accused and says fuck this, I ain’t rolling over. He’ll call it out for how ludicrous it is and the winds will fall out of the sails.

It’s how McCarthyism was finally killed. We should relearn the lessons of the past.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (2 children)

a powerful enough man gets accused

They tried it with Trump. What do you propose, that they go after Putin so a "real" man can put a stop to it.

This MeToo thing is the Salem Witch trials. It will only end when the women begin to pull back after they watch enough bodies swinging from a rope. Not before.

The manginas and White Knights will continue supporting women no matter what atrocities they commit. Only the women can stop it and they will only stop when it hurts them more to make accusations than it does to shut the fuck up and handle it like a professional. It will only hurt them when there is so much male suffering that sons, husbands, and brothers begin to be affected.

From the Salem Witch Trials to the 1980 "Child Sex Orgies" when we were told by prattling wenches that "children NEVER lie about sexual assault." Of course they "never" lie until the therapists encourage them with implanted memories!

These generational wildfires are ALWAYS caused by WOMEN MAKING RIDICULOUS ALLEGATIONS and WHITE KNIGHTS AND OTHER WOMEN SUPPORTING THEM. They always create an area of destruction and then they burn out for lack of fuel as people change their behaviors.

Often the behavior change is for the good. In the 1980's it caused day care centers to start videotaping, background checks for employees and so on.

However, in this case, the behavior change is going to be awful. MOST men and women meet at work or at school. Now that the schools sexual harassment nonsense has gone corporate the only place to meet girls is on Tinder or at the Sunday Morning Night Club (Church).

My only hope is that this time the backlash will look like the N1 Rocket.

STOP TALKING TO GIRLS AT WORK. BE CALM, COOL AND PROFESSIONAL. DO NOT SOCIALIZE WITH THEM. DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THEM UNLESS IT IS WORK RELATED AND THEIR ARE WITNESSES AROUND YOU. MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE A STATISTIC AND THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTAND. They won't like it at all. They will argue. Don't argue! Simply say: "I would FEEEEEEEELLLLLL more comfortable if you would not come into my office...."

[–]3nebder 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I did not propose anything. I made my estimation of the events that will cause this shitstorm to finally blow over.

I was true bloopie during the 2016 election. I thought the grab her by the pussy remark was the nail in the coffin for trump. Turns out that is a highly effective metaphor if you stop and think he doesn’t mean literally grab a handful of clam. Trump blew through that shit and won the election. Funny how perspectives change with knowledge and experience.

I don’t follow current news to the minute. Trump has managed to defend/deflect/defeat any accusations against him to date. There’s apparently “calls to resign” for trump but there was always some call to resign/impeach for obama during his presidency. Up to this point I haven’t seen anything beyond the expected political noise from the opposition party.

That’s an interesting take (that I agree with) that it will take women to end it. I expect the catalyst to be something along these lines. Hypothetically Justin Bieber gets accused tomorrow without any solid proof and the fan base backlash will shut all this shit down. So it’ll take a very powerful man that women support to come under fire to get this shit over with. That’s a better statement than my original.

If it gets down to grassroots level to where the everyman brother, son and husband is effected, then that’s a practically incomprehensible number of men destroyed. Let’s round the number to 300 million Americans, so 150 million American men. What percentage of that sparks the female backlash? 1% is 1.5 million men destroyed. Is that enough? Is that more than the magic number? 5% is 7.5 million men destroyed. I cannot imagine it getting to those levels. I hope I’m not wrong there.

I’m trying to walk the line between the “they came for X group, and I said nothing. Blah blah blah” spiel and whether this is just an opportunistic feeding frenzy that won’t ever impact me. Many of the accused have been wealthy and middling powerful at best. Matt lauer is a great example. I expect he has plenty of money but he’s just a tv personality at the end of the day. Nobody has an emotional attachment to him and he doesn’t actually create anything. He’s easily replaceable. Perfect high profile, no power target.

On a side note, what happened with the George Takei accusation? Seemed like that shit happened and went dark immediately. Takei always presented a positive, uplifting presence on social media. I don’t follow that shit anymore so I don’t have an idea of the outcome.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Trump kind of did this. I personally don't support the guy (I'm also not some "LOL DRUMPF!" idiot), but admire his tenacity to stick to his guns.

[–]lookdeepintomyeyes 18 points19 points  (10 children)

I'm afraid you're wrong about this. Which we should all be glad about. Trump being elected is the canary in the coal mine that this trend is shifting. I realize all the scandals are coming out now and people are losing jobs left and right just for the accusations, but that's the contrived court of public opinion that the news media is trying to maintain. It's failing though. Most of these cases are too weak to even go to trial and word is getting out. Women are finally starting to be called sluts and whores and gold diggers on message boards on popular news sites. People are seeing through it. There simply can't be this many victims. People are starting to remember that women sleep with their bosses to get ahead, they realize that's what they did and now they're crying assault for the very same reason. We aren't alone on this sub. Not even close. The pendulum swung their way, it crested, and now it's coming back the other way.

There may be a better logical fallacy to describe what you're doing mentally but I think Slippery Slope is close enough. Stocks rise and fall, pendulums swing back and forth, trends come and go. The Political Correctness police are fighting their last battle here, but the tide has shifted and public sentiment is pushing back in the other direction.

Think of it like investing. You see a stock go up 50% so you buy it (or don't sell it), not realizing that it was only going to go up another 10% before falling another 40%, losing you 30% of your principle. A stock falls by 50% and you assume it will keep falling so you sell (or you don't buy), but it only falls another 10% and then goes back up by 40%. You just missed out on a 30% return.

Everyone put down their nooses. It looks bad right now but it won't be for much longer. I'm very confident in that.

As for OP, I think you're smart to prepare. You may very well get clipped before the reaping is done if you're that high profile, but the supply of rape/sexual assault claims has become so high lately that their value and importance and the interest and sympathy they draw from people HAS to decline. If for anything else basic desensitization. If not complete ideological revolt.

[–]chuckthundercock[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Thanks for this. Well said.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not criticizing, just pointing out to you: you basically dumped a bucket of gasoline on the doom and gloom wildfire this sub has been infested with for months. You do you, if you feel it's time to get the hell out of dodge, do it. But I've been seeing a lot more people here, in particular endorsed contributors, freaking out like they're about to be the next guy pilloried for just taking to a woman.

The sub is full of young newbies who are gonna start off with their head filled with "how to avoid getting #metoo'd" rather than frame, game, self-improvement, the nature of women, and enjoying the decline. It may be an important thing for some established men, but a lot of us aren't ready for the exit strategy and the newer ones won't realize this isn't for them

[–]chuckthundercock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you. However, RP truths are difficult to swallow and I only wish I had the same perspective as a young newbie. Not to bail, but always have an exit strategy and mitigate for future risks.

The doom and gloom is necessary because it’s called for given the climate. New soldiers going into battle on the beaches of Normandy needed to know the risks to calibrate accordingly, despite lack of experience.

The lesson for the newbies is, as your game is elevated, and you become highly desirable to women, the stakes go up, and it’s easy to lose perspective and become a future target.

If I could have done it over again with what I’ve learned from the stories on trp I would have done a lot differently.

On a positive note, with some of the feedback I’ve received I’m going to do an updated post on how to mitigate risk I’ve developed that I think is working.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Look, I want to believe you're right that this election signaled some sort of sea change, but Trump's approval rating is at 32%. That's not the MSM telling lies. That's just what it is.

[–]reddit_sucks6 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Are these "approval ratings" coming from the same companies that generated the poll results that had hillary at a 98% chance of victory?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't know man. If you think the Gallup numbers are rigged that would be a pretty big conspiracy. Seems like red pill is full of them these days.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered]

One of our biggest clients had a receiving manager complain that I hugged her and it made her feel scared.

After an "investigation" was conducted, I was written up and taken off of the account.

Doesn't bother me because I'm already executing my exit strategy, but it is happening, everywhere.

[–]1Entropy-7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They can turn on you at any time.

[–]EPArt 47 points48 points  (4 children)

I have never understood this shit of late is their no option to say fuck off or rather not deny or confirm just say nothing and completely stone wall it. All I ever see are admissions and apologizes that aren't even accepted. Being apologetic and scared just makes people seem guilty like they know they have done wrong. Whats it called holding frame??

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I'm with you.

Besides getting canned and being prevented from holding high positions in your industry, what can the witch hunt really produce?

By definiton, an alpha man shouldn't necessarily give a shit what the main stream thinks of him. He'll have those who love him and know him, in his inner circle and that is fine.

I do suppose if my entire career and success hinged on hr departments and public perception, I'd be singing a different tune.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Besides getting canned and being prevented from holding high positions in your industry, what can the witch hunt really produce?

A job is a man's life. So what can they do besides destroy your life? This is a ridiculous argument.

[–]RedPill_Swinger 32 points33 points  (9 children)

Go ad hominem against that. If it happened long ago they most likely don't have a single proof.

Hold frame.

Also guys, seriously, Common Law systems (which I love) are really fucked up nowadays. Just remind them a simple principle: nobody can be punished for a fact that happened before a law was enacted. Don't be afraid to prey on their ignorance, attack and destabilise them for they are using a twisted interpretation of the law to cause a big damage in your career. Also, if it happened elsewhere (OP talked about China) simply remind them that they have no Jurisdiction whatsoever. For instance if I smoked weed and fucked a hoe in Amsterdam I can't be punished in Brazil.

"Failing" to understand this means that some people (we know whom) are using the legal system to criminally foster passive violence and cause real consequences in people's lives. The sanctimonious SJW always show off they're superiority but I've never seen less educated, less violent and less intelligent people, really

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

When powerful men, in nearly unassailable positions can be utterly destroyed by accusations from random vagina people, what hope does your average white collar office jock have against Sally Sue rotten crotch in accounting? The Pence maneuver is mandatory in the first world.

[–]CrazedHyperion 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You don't understand, he is afraid of being judged in the court of public opinion. And your example is invalid, also. If you fucked some underage ho in a place like anyplace outside of the US and it comes to the knowledge of US authorities, you can bet your sorry ass that you will be prosecuted when you return home. I would say that if you're a nobody, it may never happen. If you are a public person, oh, boy, it's going to be a criminal prosecution.

[–]jewishsupremacist88 13 points14 points  (1 child)

sugar dating is the NEW thing. alot of people here hate on hookers/sugar babies but the truth is..in the modern world in the west, getting married is a massive fucking liability..especially if you have status or worth.

[–]ChadThundercockII 3 points4 points  (0 children)

hookers/sugar babies

If a guy is not getting sex from random thots and is not getting it from hookers and sugar babies, then the only possibility is him being a broke ass autistic fuck who is going to be fucked over by some random woman.

[–]1Original_Dankster 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Wise to have an exit strategy.

You could move money to a place where US courts can't seize your assets and their courts aren't femininized. Buy a vacation home there. Be prepared to make your vacation home your real home if the time comes

[–]CrazedHyperion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Make yourself look poor. You should know how.

[–]tb87670 10 points11 points  (11 children)

The problem we as men need to address as soon as possible today: false rape accusations. This post might get long but this stuff needs to be said plainly. As of this year women learned that this is a foolproof weapon in a dying politically correct society. They can outright lie, it becomes a he-said-she-said, and the man will lose regardless of lack of evidence. We as a species need to confront this sickness now and cut it out, false rape accusations have spread at a rapid pace since it went mainstream as the way to put down a political opponent.

"Studies" say it's between 2-8%, but that's false rape accusations that were caught for being too blatantly false. Lots of false rape accusations end up with the guy in jail, fired, etc. Don't listen to the rhetoric. My LTR's skanky sister (basic bitch that suffers high hypergamy, never liked her) is falsely accusing a man right now and is actually humblebragging about the experience. Reality is she simply had an unwanted advance, she could have said no and walked off but no she had to go to the police and fake cry. Even my LTR says she is starting to suspect the story. Starting to. See that is the point, even if the story is obviously fake women default to believing the "victim" no matter what at first. This is why congressmen and hollywood bigwigs are quitting, they know they can't fight this petty shit in court without making themselves look worse to the biased media.

My advice on what to do is obviously record, record, record. Woman wants to take it to court and you have recordings go aggressive. Make copies, show it to police with her moaning how much she loved it. Show it at court in front of her family and friends. Let the judge watch her slam-dunk your junk into her throat. Then hit her for slander and anything else under the sun, and sue her for court costs. After several thousand bitches get tossed out of court for this the hard numbers will come in and the next year real statistics will be available on how often this shit really goes on, as long as we can have a neutral source that won't let feminists and PC metro-sexual male feminists whitewash the numbers.

In public this issue is coming up more often. Consider rape accusations false 99% of the time and don't feed into the feminist fantasies by agreeing with it at work, simply don't reply and refuse to talk about the subject. Lots of us men go with Law 38 and act like we support them in public, this gives women the illusion and the courage to continue their shitty behavior. If your job is at risk you don't need to lie, just don't engage. This wave of false rape accusations isn't over yet. It might not even be peaking yet. But we, mankind as a collective body need to step on this issue and cut the cancer out before it ends up doing irreparable damage.

[–]Throwawaysteve123456 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I agree except for the 99% part. False rape accusations are a real thing; it's impossible to throw out numbers without definitions. If we define legit rape as physiacl control, and if we consider reported cases, a good chunk are going to be legit, some will be completely false, and the rest will be half truths (she was super super drunk, and would never have slept with him normally, but still consented). I think it's too far to say 1% are legit. I'd say probably half.

[–]coco5440 2 points3 points  (3 children)

If you live in a state that requires all parties consent to being recorded you'll just be digging a deeper hole.

[–]tb87670 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Judges do not like being lied to their face, and even if they have to toss the evidence out and charge you for wiretapping they will not look favorably on the woman being a proven liar. All you have to do is play it in court, if it's not allowed to be played in court release it in public everywhere and bring it up. Contempt and wiretapping do not ruin your life like a rape case can.

[–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Consider rape accusations false 99% of the time and don't feed into the feminist fantasies by agreeing with it at work, simply don't reply and refuse to talk about the subject.

Let's not go to the other extreme, now. 99%? You really think 99% of rape accusations are false? False until proven otherwise, yes. But I'm not going to make my intellectual honesty a casualty of some scorched earth approach to culture wars.

If you had a sister, would you let her walk through the hood in Baltimore unescorted?

Fuck, man, it's not 99%.

[–]gELSK 46 points47 points  (19 children)

// , I understand you have to take this much more seriously, since you are "lightning rod" men, or at least in their environs.

It's worth taking the example of our "canaries in the coal mine" seriously, and thanks for the warning.

Edit: Why do so many of the other comments call this post an exaggeration without any evidence?

Hint: "It's not that bad" doesn't add to the discussion. This post has discussed actual experiences by OP. At least give him the same level of respect he gave you. You're not consumers of entertainment or education offering a product review, you're part of a goddamn discussion that is important. Imagine that, for posts like this, the word "comment" on this page is replaced with the word "answer". Gives it a bit of a different feel.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (18 children)

I guess the burden of proof is on OP and not on the people commenting. Although there couldn't be enough warnings not to mess around at the workplace, this post still seems like an exaggeration.

Yes, women have always been using men to advance in their careers, it's a perfectly valid point, but I don't see how it justifies mgtow with sugar babies or similar way of thinking.

If things are really that bad no amount of mgtow will help, wyman with a layer will come and screw you even if you dindu nuffin. But apparently things really aren't so bad and if you simply follow general trp guidelines and don't shit where you eat you'll be fine.

[–]chuckthundercock[S] 11 points12 points  (15 children)

Women are coming forward with 20 year old inappropriate hugs. How do you defend against that?

[–]1OneRedYear 2 points3 points  (1 child)

DENY. Everyone who denies survives. Everyone who apologizes loses the shit fight.

[–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

// , They're *sniff* so brave.

"Becky, you're amazing, don't let anyone make you think otherwise."

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

With a firm handshake! Think Trump

Depends on the context really.

Are things really that bad in your industry that a hug can get you in trouble?

[–]gELSK 5 points6 points  (9 children)

// , In a word, YES. Yes they are.

Also, despite the constant complaints about the "target audience" consisting of self-righteous neckbeards, consider that the controversial, unique aspects* of a forum like this mean it has a higher than usual sprinkling of well functioning men with something to lose.

*meaning there's not really anyone else you can talk to about this, even psychotherapists

[–]gELSK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I guess the burden of proof

You guess? I don't buy it.

This idea that the peanut gallery is not responsible for contributing to the discussion reflects the entitled "consumer" mindset, that treats these comments as some kind of "product rating", rather than points and counter-points in their own right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo_bias isn't necessarily bad, and TRP's version of it is sidebar bias.

But the OP is not proposing anything controversial, merely another example of evidence for what we already know, in a case where the stakes are high and the motives more suspect.

He's the miner further down in the mine, closer to the dead canaries. I've been in that kind of situation, where I know I'll be the "first to get hit", and it's unnerving when people further up in the mine take this blithe attitude of yours to the dead yellow little fuckers.

[–]1SeemedGood 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Hear you, and know exactly what you mean, having walked in similar shoes in the same industry for 25 years.

If you plan it well and phase it in, there are still places in the US where you can John Galt.

Note that the current sexual warfare is only one component of the larger plan to convert humanity into a giant insect colony (inclusive of insect colony sexual dynamics). The main thrust is arriving as a giant and unlubricated government cock being shoved into the anus of individual free will. There are very few places on Earth where a greater percentage of the population has the cultural will to fight the attempted ass-raping and no place on Earth where those who would resist the onslaught of human insectification are better armed.

Leave Fairfield County (though your timing on that trade is atrocious) and head west old man, but not too far west. Get off the coasts, stay away from the cities, and eschew the social scene to which your wife has hopefully not become accustomed. There is some extraordinary living out here if you’re man enough and you’re woman is uncorrupted enough to set down some roots in a place where skinny lattes, pilates, and a major airport are over 200 miles away.

[–]gELSK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

humanity into a giant insect colony (inclusive of insect colony sexual dynamics).

Glad I'm not the only one to have made this comparison.

[–]vitalesan 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Australia is starting to get a little Pro-SJW, too. It’s a cringe worthy time, when crazed feminists are taken seriously....

[–]Spets87 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Mate it's more than a little SJW here. Case point any mainstream news show like The Project etc. Check out Independent Man on youtube for great commentary on this shit.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was there in '91 when men were men and sheep were nervous. From what I have heard from Aussie guys is that it has gone down the shitter. The Newfies and Albertans are holding it together in Canada but most of the country is a lost cause.

[–]vitalesan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aarrrgh! Don’t get me started on “the project”!!! What a piece of liberal shit that is!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They're only ever taken seriously by beta men. Remember that. Their opinions and those who support them are inherently ineffective losers. Pay em no mind.

[–]RatioRegnum 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sic transit gloria mundi - this too shall pass.

That said, under the radar is the way to fly. My whole career I have kept a strict line between church and state, work and play. I have not lacked opportunity, and some of those have been awfully tempting, but it simply isn't worth it.

[–]CrazedHyperion 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I'll be fucked if I submit to terroristic threats, ISIS or feminism. I am who I am and I refuse to live in fear of anything. Fuck feminism in the ass, for all I care, nobody will dominate men as long as men have intrinsic value. Remember, the line between "civilization" and total chaos and anarchy is very thin and "strong" women need to be reminded of that. The thin line is as close as the nearest electric outlet, the heating furnace and the telephone - WiFi connection.I can see that self-nominated feminists and the assorted hanger-ons will be paying a very dear price for the things they've said and done. This is not a threat, just karma in action.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I have two issues with women in the past year alone that could really cost me I’m now waiting to bubble up. I don’t even want to think about the last ten years.

One of them could cost me dearly in terms of access and social proof for conference talks and sales leads. My fault? Accepting her invitation back to her hotel room. It didn’t end in sex. She got all weird and instead of working through the LMR I figured she wasn’t worth the risk. Well stupid me, by being in her hotel room and EVERYONE KNOWING she can basically say ANYTHING now.

The second one, a vendor, took me out for drinks, she’s young and had been flirting hard core. I got hammered and made out with her. She giggled like a little school girl and had a ton of fun, then stopped returning my calls. She obviously got weird or had some regret. Her bestie at another firm stopped returning my calls too. I’m waiting for the article on Medium where she talks about how I forced myself on her and she played along because “poor scared little girl just trying to close a deal...”. They brought me most of my east coast clients. These folks made me a lot of money. They could have made me more.

I dodged a bullet on a third. Vendor wanted to take me out for drinks, she (its two ladies actually) asks me where I want to go, I tell her “strip club”. She actually gets clearance from her Senior VP to take me to one (this is oil industry but it isn’t like it used to be). I had last minute travel so we had to reschedule the night out but it never happened. That could have gotten ugly, they connected me with my biggest current client.

OP is right, it’s going to be in the thousands.

Funny story: I told my assistant she should probably report me to somebody, (we play pretty hard) she laughed and asked when I’m taking her out again. She’s RP AF. Which is why she’s my assistant. Plus I’ve got a mountain of texts from her as insurance.

[–]chuckthundercock[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I hamstered my own justification as well with texts or photos of women groping me, people who would testify when the client slid her hand in my lap, but in the new world order that doesn’t matter. They were “scared but playing along” you aren’t likely in any legal trouble, but no matter how rp a woman is, post epiphany or aged and decrepit, the hamster will reconstruct any series of events to use against you.

Some posters here aren’t understanding none of this is sexual assault, or even sexual harassment, it’s “sexual inappropriately” which means, she decided 20 years ago that she didn’t like your hug, and your fucked. We need a counter movement, but in current times, unlikely. Be careful be warned.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You’re exactly right, nothing is illegal it’s all about “impropriety” or just the appearance of impropriety.

[–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The other thing is judging past actions by present standards.

[–]PallbearerNumber5 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Fuck man, I’ve always been blue pill and all of these allegations are making me red pill now. It’s turning into us vs them.

But the pendulum swings back. There will be a backlash and it sucks for real victims. In a years time, we’ll start to learn how many not famous individuals were fucked over by this hashtag. The numbers will be staggering and buried, but the damage will be done. Less woman will be hired will be the first metric to reveal this. That glass ceiling will be made of concrete for awhile.

[–]Whitified 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The pendulum never swings back. It's a slippery slope, and it only slides one way. We live in a post-feminist society so it will only get worst. More quotas to hire women will be put in place.

I'm glad you're getting red pilled and I wish you more red pill moments.

[–]1GreenPiller 13 points14 points  (11 children)

America isn't worth it anymore... I'll be leaving in a decade when I'm 32. Not many people know the feeling of true freedom, people who have left America probably know what I'm talking about.

[–]alxjones 3 points4 points  (9 children)

where you headed? where would you like to go?

[–]1GreenPiller 13 points14 points  (8 children)

Probably Latin America, if I find a safe city or a small town and lay low I can avoid drug cartels and live a comfy life with 18 year old cuties that'll do anything for money. I also hear about guys teaching English in Asian countries.

[–]frooschnate 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You're really shooting yourself in the foot if you think Latin America is a step up, or even freedom. Only place which would be decent is probably Chile, and they are deciding their future next Sunday in the elections.

[–]1GreenPiller 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Any country in Latin America is hell when you are broke, but I know a lot of people that invest and live comfy lives, I love USA but I have simply lost faith, net neutrality, police brutality, liberalism and degeneracy, corrupt government, etc. I feel like this country is falling apart and there is no stopping it.

https://youtu.be/M62Va6Ft2cw

[–]frooschnate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I lived in Ecuador from '05 until 2 months ago, part of what you could call the 1%. The socialist movement in Latin America hits everyone. The country had record breaking levels of economical bonanza and great projection; still, a shitty government filled to the brim with corruption wasted every single cent and stole the rest.

Same thing goes for Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Colombia, etc. Chile's been stuck for a couple of years with Bachelet, Peru apparently is going forward steadily.

Sure, I had a nice life with a lot of commodities. Terrible education, plenty of delinquency which did improve, an authoritative and scummy gov, extremely high prices on imports; cars, clothes, appliances, etc. There's no stability. These countries have had flaky governments since the beginning of time, you'll never know when you'll be forced to flee if you want to keep an ounce of freedom.

[–]gELSK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

// , You can even do 2-bit videography, interviews, translation, or even proofreading for the local BigCorp.

[–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Been living in China for 5 years. Setting aside political activism and some of the bureaucracy with running a business, I am relatively free to do whatever the hell I want in comparison with Canada. I don't have socialized medicine but then again I don't have to hand over a third of my earnings to the government.

The women here are feminine and you aren't going to get sued for complimenting them.

[–]gaki123 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"Land of the free" is probably the biggest meme ever. You get fucked (career and legally wise) because some bitch changed her mind lmao

[–]mattizie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This may seem stupid but hear me out.

Considering all the shit that is happening in these careers, wouldn't it be an opportunity to just start your own firm/company and hire all the "shamed" talent that no one else wants to hire.

Unless there's specific legislation against it, could you not just register your place of business as a whore house/adult film company, hire a few prostitutes, and be done with it?

[–]thickandheavy 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I am new to Red Pill and generally agree with most of the topics here but the current state of the media has made men downright hysterical with anxiety about being accused of harassment. I'm a lawyer and can say with the utmost confidence that if you have done nothing in the past that you wouldn't want any other man to do to your daughters/wife/sister then your anxiety is unfounded.

[–]coco5440 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Second this sentiment. If you haven't been a dick you'll be fine.

[–]thickandheavy 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Thank you, exactly. I take pride in being a strong masculine figure for my wife and daughters, to think that some men would villainize all women because of a few sensationalized cases in the media is disappointing. In my line of work (in the past 20 years) I have come across some of the lowest of the low and have never come across a case of false accusations when it comes to issues of rape and sexual harassment. As the protector of my family I would see that these accusations are taken seriously and dealt with swiftly and justly. Any member of law enforcement would agree with me. Please consult your rationality before you generalize and sensationalize certain ideas.

[–]thickandheavy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Furthermore, I would argue that it is largely anti-alpha to be scared into hysteria by the accusations in the media. If you are a scared, then I assume you may have some reason to be. After all, if you feel the need to assert your power over women you've pretty much already lost...

[–]coco5440 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes! They're acting like scared little bunnies -- hardly Alpha.

[–]coco5440 1 point2 points  (0 children)

False accusations do happen. I've had clients falsely accused of rape. In one case a high school couple was caught by a school security guard having sex. The girl was terrified of her abusive father so rather than admit she was being promiscuous with an African American boy she said she was raped. The police never interviewed the security guard and the DA filed charges without ever getting a statement from the security guard. By this time it was summer and the guard was hard to find (the school district was less than helpful -- they withheld contact information). My investigator finally found the guard. His statement that "it looked consensual to me" spared my client the worst of the criminal justice system. But the DA still insisted on an unlawful intercourse plea (California Penal Code section 261.5).

[–]Shakydrummer 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Half the people in my office are women. It really isn't all that bad, just don't shit where you eat and keep it strictly business.

[–]gELSK 17 points18 points  (0 children)

// , I think this is what he's implying:

You'll soon have to replace "office" in your post with more and more of the public and private sphere.

Half the people in my ______ are women. It really isn't all that bad, just don't shit where you eat and keep it strictly business.

class, hiking group, apartment complex, street, social circle, grocery store...even... dance club, bar, coffee shop

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not every office is the same.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

People here seem to think that women are all out to get us. Thats just not true, a majority are detatched from the sjw bullshit, and still appreciate a "traditional" man. But that's just my experience. You should be able to quickly discern a good woman from a bad one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea, of course the majority women are not out to get us. It doesn't take a majority though. I think 2-4% will be sufficient to sow mass paranoia and chaos. Many of these women are opportunistic liars as well. They don't go into it with a plan to make a false accusation. Classic case is next morning regret. You could also have a woman who worked really hard and didn't get promoted, and she (or her friends) convinces herself that it must be because she turned down some sexual advance.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry. God our country is fucking falling apart. I try to be stoic about it, but it really is a hard thing to watch. So many men thought and wrote and debated and fought and bled for something that is all but dead. Thanks men from 1920! You really fucked us!

[–]ianpac 46 points47 points  (32 children)

You sound overly paranoid. Just change company and relocate to another city and keep your nose clean and you will be OK. If you are valuable to the company then they will not want to lose you. If an accusation does crop up fight against it fiercely, dont do an Al Franken and appease the accuser then regret it later when your appeasement is taken as a guilty plea.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 65 points66 points  (21 children)

If you are valuable to the company then they will not want to lose you.

99.9% of companies will throw the man under the bus at the first complaint from a woman.

Once you're fired.... what you gonna do.... sue the poor delicate single mother victim?

[–]Endorsed ContributorTaipanshimshon 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The bottom line is it’s still about money. No individual money maker is going to over ride the potential financial loss of bad press.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then publicly defend your position. Reach everyone's ears and spill your refined, direct and logical message to them.

I can't stand this defeatist back pedalling. Sure, you'll lose when a crying whore posts a FB video about how dirty your cock was when you slapped her with it, but what ever happened to standing your ground and defending your reputation?

Every time I see some high profile, fuck up beta apologize, I vomit. If only the prick had the stones to defend himself. Not a God Damn man among them.

[–]Blitz_KingX 6 points7 points  (17 children)

Its really messed up i worked at one of the biggest telicomication companys in america. And i was beeing sexualy harassed by this gay guy like every day. It even got to the point where he was sending me dick pics and other explative pictures. I took this to HR more then once as well. Every time they wpuld just blow it off maybe more his desk or something minor. It never stoped got to the point i couldnt take it any more and quit. That is unfortunate too beacause that was the best job ove ever had.

But if it was a woman in that situation like law suits would happen people would loose there livelihood. The double standards in this country is getting ridiculous. The media wont stop tell we are emasculated drones for woman to control and actually be second rate citizens that thwy are fighting for.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 44 points45 points  (2 children)

and actually be second rate citizens that thwy are fighting for

We ARE second rate citizens.

In any conflict between a woman and a man, the woman is presumed innocent and the man guilty.

Pay for sex? Man guilty.

Sell sex? Man guilty.

Two people are drunk and have sex? Man guilty.

Man can't get a job? Loser.

Women can't get a job? Discrimination.

Women do worse on IQ tests? Change the tests.

Women do worse in school? Change the tests.

We pay more tax. Women receive more benefits. Women complain about nothing and everyone cares. Men complain about male suicide and higher workplace death rate and noone gives a fuck.

You can have an awesome life as a man, you really can. But never ever for one second think you owe women anything.

[–]gaki123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This. This may seem edgy but for the average man a woman is an enemy.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Here's a suggestion.

Next time that happens, go buy gloves, a belaclava and a baseball bat. Meet the fucker in the parking lot and make it clear there isn't to be any more tomfoolery.

He didn't stop harassing you because you're a pussy and he didn't respect you. Hr didn't have your back because of the same reason.

So, be a man and push people in the direction YOU WANT THEM TO GO. Either that, or they'll push you.

[–]heyyyyitsjimmybaby 6 points7 points  (9 children)

I mean, you could have sued after all they did was move his desk. The whole point of HR isn't to punish, its to avoid a lawsuit. If they aren't avoiding a law suit... that means you can sue lol

Even with these baseless women complaints, an HR isn't going to recommend dismissal if there is no proof.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Al Franken, the democratic party's ritual male sacrifice lol.. Just picturing all the democrats around a sacrificial table like it's an ancient aztec civilization.

[–]1Original_Dankster 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Not paranoid, prudent. OP knows his past behavior, you don't. If he's affluent, powerful and public, it's very wise to prepare an exit strategy and put himself in a legal jurisdiction that isn't in a white knighting crusade

[–]CrazedHyperion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everybody already should have a Plan B and a sketched out Plan C for all important things in life.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Just change company and relocate to another city

See, in the tech industry we already have this figured out. That's what men do: solve problems. You just need the balls to implement the solution:

1- Join a small team or company and help build it.

2- Act like a man. (Note that women usually act more like women in these places too.)

3- Wait until the company grows to the point that it is either bought out or grows large enough that your stock is worth something.

4- Wait for the newly powerful HR department to throw a fit over something... and cash the fuck out.

5- Go to step 1.

The best part is the company will pay for you being the problem, because it is a) cheaper and b) they will do the same thing as you eventually. At one company I had to "fire" (read: retired because their sold everything) three guys at one company once because of a party that went bad. The VP of HR that made this all happen straight up accosted me for sex when the company was only 100 people. When I joined the company she pulled a chair up to mine and stroked my leg while reading off sheet of all the benefits. Uh huh. Right there with us, right toots? Let us not forget that Marisa Mayer is now rich and famous because she spread her legs for a founder. Smart women play the game because they are smart and want to win

The goal of this game is to make money working for small, fast, bullshitless companies until they become part of giant SJW clustersfucks, and then leave. The giant SJW clustersfucks are perfectly happy to fund and then buy these smaller companies, because they know it's the most efficient way to fund innovation and product.

You need the balls to know when to move. You need to understand that you don't have to get rich on one big hit--the money will build up over time. You need to be willing to work hard when needed, but the upside is smaller companies will play hard too. Rinse and repeat.

Now, of course, when the blue haired slags realize some men (and women) are getting away with this shit, they will try to move in and stop it. The problem with this is when you make everyone a criminal, people stop caring about the law. It's fine and dandy when you hang a few men for their behavior but when you actively seek to make every man one, what the hell do you think is going to happen?

[–]purplecabbage 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Good write up. I was reading about this theory somewhere but I can't recall. It had to do with the innovators and bullshit-less business builders basically founding companies, letting them grow, and when the bureaucracy gets to a tipping point, the talent leaves to move onto the next project.

[–]Psynaut 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I can't recommend Thailand highly enough. It's the best place in the world. Worth moving to, even if you didn't have to.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In finance it’s a party hard with super high net worth clients and part of my duties have involved circumstances with colleagues that could be in the wolf of Wall Street.

And that's your defense: It was a job requirement. You hated it. You HATED how those girls in strip clubs were exploited, HATED how you were forced to do blow off of hooker's boobs. You HATED every goddamn second of it. /lulz

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Why is /u/coco5440 getting so many upvotes? He is not redpill. He is a blupiller/sjw shill who pretends he is redpill and spreads toxic feminist/blue pill ideology to the noobies.

[–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (2 children)

// , People (on this forum at least) upvote, for better or worse, based on the content, not the writer. They must have thought he had a good point.

[–]hammerhearth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

// , Why do you start all your comments like this

[–]coco5440 29 points30 points  (31 children)

Good god -- things aren't that bad -- all you had to do was not screw around at work -- this rule isn't new.

Its nice having women around the office. My office just hired a pretty 28 year old. She's fun and feisty but I'm sure as hell not going to mess with her.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Its nice having women around the office

There are lots of competent women that are effective in their roles. However, without structure and control, they invariably create unnecessary drama. As men lose their influence in a company, it gets worse.

And when it's only women... lookout!

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 16 points17 points  (15 children)

That's based on the assumption that women are honourable creatures. But they are not, by looking at some of the 'sexual assault allegations'.

Even if you did not stick your dick inside her, hypothetically she could still say that you made inappropriate remarks about her breasts or touched her inappropriately.

And how are you going to disprove it?

[–]Carlosc1dbz 43 points44 points  (7 children)

Its not what you do, but what she says or thinks you do.

[–]gELSK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

// , Rather, how it made her feel.

[–]Carlosc1dbz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is the new expression.

[–]CrazedHyperion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are correct. Perception creates reality.

[–]gELSK 3 points4 points  (0 children)

// , Way to chime in, "Because I don't hate women" coco5440. Consider what would happen if the "pretty 28 year old", regardless of whether you're "not going to mess with her" says you made an "inappropriate comment"? Who would people take more seriously? Would it matter whether or not you had actually said anything inappropriate?

Things aren't that bad for you. Yet

If I may mix a metaphor, "First they came for the canaries..."

Also, consider that, just as men can act in bad faith, so can women. Part of OP's point is that the court of public opinion will handle these situations very differently.

[–]Hamilton950B 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Absolutely right. You don't shit where you eat. OP's advice "Avoid working with women period" is bullshit. My advice is don't kiss your colleagues or clients on the lips. In fact don't hug or kiss them at all. I've worked with women my entire career, never kissed any of them, and don't expect to get drawn in to the "me too" drama.

[–]coco5440 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, trying to kiss colleagues is obviously inappropriate behavior (and always has been). Most of these guys have only themselves to blame for their current situation.

[–]gELSK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

// , And if the women try to kiss you?

[–]RosstheMoss81 2 points3 points  (1 child)

At some point enough bogus cases proven will result in reversing the McCarthyism effects.

[–]molokomoloko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or you could stick around, take a leadership role and fight it. Pave the way.

[–]CaiusBard 1 points1 points [recovered]

Is this really a big deal though? I thought it was mainly Hollywood degenerates (who we've known to be degenerate for awhile) are finally getting exposed.

I look at it like plane crashes. Whenever we hear about a plane crash we freak out, but we forget that for every 1 crash, there are millions that operate successfully. There's probably thousands of high SMV males having sex a second around the world. I'm not going to freak out because some celebrities are getting outted all at once.

This is good advice otherwise, though. Also, why is your wife giving you advice on how to sleep with other women? Did I read that right?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Either you're incompetent, or this is a bullshit post.

No way you've done 20 years in high finance and don't have enough assets and cash to retire in a rural town and never worry.

No way your wife is taking charge on this. She would ignore it till the last minute, then divorce you.

No way have you spent two decades with boats n hoes and get scared because Hollywood.

Theres no way you did any of this

[–]chuckthundercock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have plenty of cash to never worry, but who wants to deal with a pile on on individual lawsuits. Loss of public appearance $$.. Public firing from my firm because the risk of losing one client could be in the 100's of millions.

I am frequently on major news publications, and all I need is one inappropriate hug accusor to create a massive hamstering of everyone woman I've had any encounter with to come out of the woodwork with her own lawsuit. You think its only hollywood, look at what's going on with Rodger Ailes, politicans, and now guys like Sherwin @ Uber. You are either a nobody or a fool to think you are insulated.

She's not taking charge, just a reality check, telling me that I'm under-estimating the power of a hamster.

I do appreciate the fact that I DID NOT DO ANY OF THIS, but this these days, THIS is an inappropriate hug?

[–]fromthecrypt8 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Although I appreciate what OP is saying, hold your horses. I think this craze may balance itself out in the long run. Alot of people think the metoo campaign has gone too far, even a few bitches. Don’t let the media get in your head, especially liberal toilets like huffpost. Stand your ground and record as often as you can remember. Absolutely never fuck without recording. And as OP says, stay vigilant and off women’s radar if you have to work with women. This is not the time to run with our tail between our legs towards avoidant behavior, but to grow confident that masculinity can tackle this new extreme (female) culture of false accusations.

[–]robot_overloard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

¿ alot ? . . .

I THINK YOU MEANT a lot

I AM A BOTbeepboop!

[–]F_Dingo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, given the last 25 years of my career, it’s only a matter of time until the harpies start coming out to dissect my body and carve up the pieces.

If you're who you say you are then FIGHT LIKE A BEAR if one of these slutbags wants to play around with accusations. You didn't get to high finance by being a pushover or a doormat, you had to claw your way up.

Be the one guy who throws down a libel and slander lawsuit against one of these thots and watch them run like rats. You've got money and that means you can sue people big time.

[–]beachbbqlover 1 points1 points [recovered]

I used to have several girlfriends at a time when I was in Japan. I eventually decided to just keep the one that was loyal and kind of clingy.

10 years now.

One advantage to relationships overseas is that what happens in Tokyo stays in Tokyo, and if you split in Tokyo she stays in Tokyo.

I don't mean to laugh or point fingers, but the rest of you look pretty fucked, right about now.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Japanese women. Queens of passive-aggressiveness.

Once you are married to them, you see their inner manipulative sides appear

[–]OSaraiva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Once money and patience run out, whenever chaos and destruction take over society and real men have got themselves on the sideline of the shitshow, when those feminists and pseudo males become boring and useless, women (and the whole society) will come begging for true men to show up and steer the wreck. Just don't know how long it will take, but i already sense here a serious conservative backlash in young people's minds.

[–]zyxw98 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OP, just gather your assets and move to someplace quiet immediately. Countryside or wherever. Moving across continents take a lot of time and research. Better yet, find people you can trust who are stuck in the same rut and form an alliance. In the mean-time, cut contact with the rest. The beautiful thing about this is you will gain perspective. Apart from the political and feminist hell-holes, most people consider the media exactly how it is - entertainment. This is why the entire media and press still can't believe Trump won. They cannot look beyond their own solipsism.

[–]Hjalmbere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

OP says this will creep into dating too, he’s probably right, but mostly in litigious countries. If you live in a non-litigious country there is way less danger, especially if you do your homework and look for red flags.

Only a bonafide psycho bitch would go through the bother of police interrogations and a trial to put a man in jail if there’s not a sizable financial reward should she succeed.

TLDR; Avoid litigious countries. Avoid psycho bitches.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

if there is a version of mgtow that includes whores and sugar babies

Level 1 MGTOWs fit this description.

[–]lamplights22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m just powerful and public enough that I’m a likely target.

I sincerely doubt this to the fullest extent. Let's be real here, bro. You're a sexually frustrated millennial virgin, who's watched his share of Wall Street movies, roleplaying on the internet as some successful executive who just decided to type up 5 paragraphs on reddit in a desperate attempt to seek advice and strategy. Get real. Lay off the pills from your mommy's medicine cabinet, buddy.

[–]TheGlassStone 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Hold your frame and don’t let them win. Sounds like you’ve done nothing wrong, so when that time comes, give them your best IDGAF attitude.

What is happening right now I believe is the feminist response to TRP. Guys, we can’t roll over and take this one on the chin. They are out to enslave and destroy us. But I will not be chained, and neither should you.

Chin up.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If you mean a reaction to this sub I highly doubt it. Our influence isn't that significant on a large scale..

[–]TheGlassStone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not this sub. Our ideals, our philosophy, if you will.

[–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Create your own victimhood by shifting the perpetrator role. You are a man, but can anyone proof that you are not homosexual rendering her allegations mute if not homophobic. Suddenly you found your ways around the truck of peace and became a muslim. The options are manyfold. In the past you could not be a witch when you were married to a priest. Every system that thrives on allegations needs a victim and a perp - use this.

[–]Widowmaker_Only 5 points6 points  (3 children)

People are already beginning to doubt the legitimacy of the mass amount of sexual harassment claims. I really don't think the 50-60 cases will end up going to the thousands.

[–]TheGlassStone 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Never underestimate what women will do when they feel empowered. It’s sickening.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

White knight judges plus the Ho code

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They need men to enforce their witch hunt. Like I said above, when all men are suddenly criminals, they will stop giving a fuck about the law.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What about feminism and the old world? In terms of marriage laws.

Because it’s slowly creeping in through “Women’s Rights”.

[–]DamnDatAssSoFine 1 points1 points [recovered]

Aren’t actual prostitutes more likely to fuck you up through? As in, more likely to bring you down?

[–]chuckthundercock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not high end ones, usually women of industry or women with families

[–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

// , A lot of this depends, I think, on what they have to lose, and how likely they are to lose it if they make that gamble.

If a high-brow lawyer makes out with a meth-addict, sure, she'll give it a shot.

But I suspect that if that lawyer goes for a high-end, classy courtesan, she won't nuke HER ENTIRE CLIENT BASE unless someone is actually harming her.

Plus, prostitutes are less credible on the witness stand.

[–]TheNoncaringMurse 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I’m not a fan of MGTOW?

Why not they are on your side men of all kinds need to stick together now.

[–]chuckthundercock[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I like women. I like being around women, my only objection..

[–]TheNoncaringMurse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m surrounded by women in my profession nursing, I see how they stab each other in the back constantly, professionally and personally. II spin plates I love pussy, but women are women and I focus on male relationships and maintaining my brothers and helping each other along the way I’m happier that way.

[–]lenin1928 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Feminism has emboldened the hamsters insatiable appetite for validation and attention. But, where if not Europe or America can a man be a man?

[–]WeeklyOracle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

MGTOW does advocate for whores, it's mostly to do whatever you want as a man and not be ruled by women.

[–]hodltaco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately I'm more MGTOW than anything else these days. It's not exactly anything I can control. Until I need to get laid there's really no reason. I'm getting up shortly (2:30 AM!) and working out followed by a day of football. That's it. Good times.

[–]356dc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice. There's nothing manly about pathetic little worms like Weinstein and Louis CK who guerilla jerk off in front of women, and other stuff like that.

[–]targus_4d3d3d3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a great piece of creative writing.

[–]icecoldpopsicle 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Seems to me the main motivation here is grabbing money and power from people who have it. It's the same old same old puritanism in a new garb and it's going after sexual deviants, only the last type of sexual deviant you're allowed to go after are white, hetero males. Want to be safe ? Keep your money safe, that's it. Move it. Keep it hidden. The rest is fine, they won't imprison you.

[–]dontgiveupcarib 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Your generation royally fucked the rest of us. You gave women far too much power, you broke down everything our ancestors built, you truly did it to have a good time. Now you're running away like a slime ball.

We have to fight back against the shit you helped create and we will. But don't expect any pity from us.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a kernal of truth to this. It might be a bit before his generation though. Also I don't believe in holding everyone in a generation responsible for something any more than all people of a race.

[–]PaulAJK 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Certainly not a bad idea to have an escape strategy, but this meetoo thing will also pass.

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