"Women rate the strongest men as the most attractive, study finds"

2comment · 2017-12-13T20:21:31+00:00

The most illuminating part of the study was the correlation between perceived and actual strength.

The study was not subtle. These were all college girls. The important thing about lifting is not just you're "more attractive" but that you're also more appealing to women who are down to fuck.

SuperCrazy07 · 2017-12-13T23:47:46+00:00

Oh my, you forgot to include some of the hamstering in the article. One of my favorites:

She pointed out that the results might not be universal. The raters were college-age women evaluating the appearance of college-age men. They might not “have much of an experience with what attractiveness means,” Dunsworth said.

That's right. A woman doesn't know what's attractive until she hits the wall LOL.

OpossumManEater · 2017-12-13T19:43:31+00:00

This has reached the top of the science subreddit, go take a look if you want to laugh at all the beta male hamstering. Lazy fucks want any excuse not to lift and improve themselves.

It's also turned into a comment graveyard.

BobbyPeru · 2017-12-13T22:29:16+00:00

This post reminds me of this one time a guy suggested lifting on here

abenomix · 2017-12-13T23:37:24+00:00

My pre and post RP photos led me to the same result without wasting research funds. Attractiveness went up by orders of magnitude. PRE-POST RP

Overkillengine · 2017-12-13T20:25:34+00:00

"B-but a shredded physique is just a male power fantasy!!"

The inevitable refrain by some weakling in skinny jeans wishing to justify how they are "different" from "all those other guys".

Aurien7 · 2017-12-13T19:09:10+00:00

This has been common knowledge for every person that ever lived

JamzeNeu · 2017-12-13T21:08:45+00:00

This is on the top of r science right now. The comment section is really salty. SJWs calling evolutionary psychology a pseudo science.lol Also, a lot of censorship of truth going on.

Elatea · 2017-12-13T19:17:51+00:00

study:"men find tits attractive"

Hjalmbere · 2017-12-13T19:15:00+00:00

Hardly news, but we all have lives outside the gym where status, game, and grooming also play a part. But exercise is where it starts.

RP085 · 2017-12-14T05:08:37+00:00

There was a book, I don't remember if it was Kezia Noble's, or Marni [Something]'s book called "Get Inside Her", but it was written by a woman so I think it was one of those two.

The author says an activity was done (can't remember if the author organized it or someone else) in which a group of women (can't remember how many; a workshop full of them?) were asked to write down a list of all the desirable attributes/qualities they would want in an ideal man.

Then they were asked to narrow that list down to 15 attributes. Then 10. Then 5, and so on, and finally narrow it down to 1.

The attribute chosen by them all was: Strength.

maplemaximus · 2017-12-13T19:46:27+00:00

It would have been a better study if they showed strong men with under average faces, and pretty boys with weak or lean bodies. Then we'd know the real facts.

Essexal · 2017-12-13T21:48:04+00:00

And some motherfuckers fell for ‘women love the dad bod’.

Good luck with your rolls motherfuckers. By the time I’m 40, ripped, with enough disposable time and income to do what I wish, it won’t even be a competition anymore.

ACmaster · 2017-12-14T05:17:32+00:00

Women want masculine men, and men want feminine women.

How surprising!

drkinferno72 · 2017-12-13T21:42:32+00:00

Cause strongest cavemen bring back meat to tribe and fight off saber tooth tiger

continue for generations as the weakest would simply die

Hillarysdilddo_2016 · 2017-12-13T20:31:39+00:00

"There was no nuance to these results, he said. Zero of the 160 women surveyed showed a statistical preference for weaker men."

Hahaha. Literally, not even once.

Of course they bring in someone to critique the results. It's the Washington compost... SJW CIA shill Jeff Bezos' personal blog.

Redpillandrew · 2017-12-13T21:04:40+00:00

Maybe I'm missing something but... ...how did they manage to make the women tell the truth?

2017-12-13T21:38:29+00:00

But definitely still get your cardio in.

2017-12-14T13:41:35+00:00

just lol if you still ain't bloatmaxxing

2017-12-13T20:23:47+00:00

This is just like that recent study that found that women find older, wealthier men attractive.

Bigjohnthug · 2017-12-14T01:19:01+00:00

Quick aside, while I agree with the theme of the article there are some problems with this study:

The biggest is that it draws the conclusion "strength is the primary factor for determining male attractiveness" without investigating that at all. Rather, they've shown ripped guys are more attractive than unfit guys. That's obvious. To demonstrate what they've claimed to study however they'd need to measure several independent variables in tandem.

Another study did this using computer generated model humans with varying hip:shoulder ratios, heights and penis length. They found height was the largest determining factor. In this study, torsos were rated independent of the rest of the subject. Therefore, we don't know if the tall lanky guy is more or less attractive than the buff shorty. We also don't know if face or body matters more.

Another concern is their use of the word strength. The sample group was college men recruited from the college gym. Having been to my fair share of uni gyms, you aren't going to find powerlifters there. In other words, the strongest people would have been bodybuilders with fitness comp physiques in all likelihood. So the correlation could be any one or combination of the following (to attractiveness): lower BF%, broader shoulders, shoulder:waist ratio, hip:waist ratio, skin tone, etc etc. What they definitely didnt show is that strong=hot.

Basically, the claims of this study are divorced from the reality of their findings. The main takeaway is if you aren't ripped, getting ripped will make you more attractive. It might not make you more attractive than other attractive guys however and working on something else may be more worthwhile- for example if you have a mono brow, acne and buck teeth, you probably have bigger concerns.

pussyaficianado · 2017-12-13T20:45:35+00:00

So bears do in fact shit in the woods?

jtromo · 2017-12-13T20:49:13+00:00

Surprising that everyone is saying this is super obvious when there was a fairly recent post on here that was well received saying that lean was more important than bulky builds.

ozaku7 · 2017-12-13T23:27:19+00:00

"The study authors described a strong body as a signal, one our ancient ancestors would have understood: This is a healthy individual with a hearty immune system, the ripped body suggests, someone who can devote calories to building muscle rather than fighting off germs. Strength was also an “indicator of one’s ability to provide material and social benefits,” Lukaszewski said. In this interpretation, a strong man has value as a potential protector of women and children and is desired by other men as an ally."

That is some nice research but the written conclusion is totally bullshit. Visually speaking, a man is supposed to be muscly, a woman is supposed to be curvy. Curvier ass, bigger tits, more defined feminine face, everything is a female feature with a degree of intensity on a scale from 1 to 10. Small tits? 3. Huge tits? 10 on the feminine intensity scale.

A man is supposed to have muscles, facial hair growth, deep voice. Gender Attribute Intensity is where it's at. Are you attracted to a average fishstick type of woman with no curves, or one with a toned body from daily fitness and big tits? Obviously, women are not attracted to the male version of fishsticks, but men with big muscles that make them manly.

1+1=2, never have I ever heard a woman say "Oh my god, that guy looks so milky white and slim from being months locked up voluntarily in his basement playing WoW, my panties are so wet right now for him" and neither have any of you. We want tits, ass, fit body and pussy with a cute face, women want muscles, a big dick, a strong deep voice and a firm personality. End of story. Fucking politically correct published research.

JYandeau · 2017-12-13T20:11:58+00:00

In other news; water is wet

BthaGawd2 · 2017-12-13T20:44:41+00:00

I have a question..we're these guys who were strong but with higher body fat % to? Or just guys who were cut?

Ninokun · 2017-12-13T23:53:31+00:00

Strength? more likely looks. i have abs and big chest and shoulders but im literally weak as fuck, i train in the 150lbs weight class, my looks are mostly due to Diet.

CHIPPENDALESIXNINE · 2017-12-14T18:46:47+00:00

Keep in mind the Pic posted is likely similar to what the women were shown or thought of when referring to strength. Too many guys wanna be in bulking season all year long and never get lean. Also, if you're natural and want to keep abs, this is likely your genetic limit for size.

banjew · 2017-12-13T23:16:18+00:00

I would think being a roided meat-head is not that attractive. I mean, a natural ripped body surely is attractive. But I would think, a heavy, wide, strong manlet (who I am, unfortunately) is less attractive than a tall, muscular guy.

coco5440 · 2017-12-13T20:21:04+00:00

Cool study. Since women were just shown torso photos height may have been down played a bit.

fromdario · 2017-12-14T03:59:08+00:00

I remember a source a few years ago (sorry can't find link atm) that said low socio-economic women liked big muscles, higher status liked tall lanky guys (like William the prince except with hair). Old money usually isn't ripped. Not sure why but interesting results nevertheless. Probably because big muscles might be associated by them with lower socio-ec status guys. That said, not a bad place to be if you're big and can bounce around some poor poontang.

RedDespair · 2017-12-14T07:53:26+00:00

My question is:

Just how strong are we talking about? Did they see strongman's fat bodies?

Cause these guys are the strongest motherfuckers

Gaullic · 2017-12-14T11:49:58+00:00

I'm pretty sure we've known this since forever.

MattyAnon · 2017-12-14T12:54:07+00:00

Women prefer stronger men, duh. Something we all know.

Strong is attractive.

But so is leanness. Women cannot gauge male strength very effectively if the muscles are covered in fat.

Don't take away from this that you can just lift and be strong and not have to lose any weight.

Bodyfat is beta.

shadymcyoloswaggins · 2017-12-14T14:30:57+00:00

The problem with this is that it is simplistic and within a vacuum. Yes, of course, we know that if the only difference is musculoskeletal structure then musculoskeletal structure is the deciding factor. Water is wet.

But; if you were to show a ripped guy lying on a bit of cardboard next to a bunch of used needles wearing shabby clothes and a junkie girlfriend Vs a skinny/fat guy next to a Lambo with a briefcase in hand with a couple gorgeous babes. Then what. We all know the answer would be.

Why? Well ask yourself this; which man would you do business with? Which man would you break bread with? Which man would you defer to? Which man would you want as a father?

Is it that women define male success based on male perception rather than their own. Is the only reason Hollywood degenerates and beta beibers so popular because of there vouching of dominance by other men (determined by other men's willingness to dedicate their own resources).

How does this impact men when men go around calling each other bitches, beta, geeks etc. What do we think of a female geek? Is that really projected as an insult? Why do men shit where they eat so much?

We know that divide and conquer has been used for millennia. Red pill Vs blue pill, Communism Vs capitalism, mods Vs rockers, hippies Vs the man, Nazi's Vs allies, Rome Vs the barbarians. This psychological tendency aides our survival at times. How could it be used against us?

Jesus Christ never worshipped anyone, Buddha never followed anyone, Chad doesn't copy Chad. TRP IS NOT 'the red pill', it is a Bible, it is part of the matrix, it is the apple, it is heaven and hell. It is not THE way. It is A way. What is YOUR way?

Hands up who knows someone blue pill. Hands up who respects them?

Now I know that starts on point and soon goes becomes galactic meta but I am fed up seeing what once was a great tool and resource for men yet again become a deified cult which only weakens men. Also if you masterbate you are a loser/s

*Pressed save to early

DextroShade · 2017-12-14T16:40:28+00:00

In other news, water is wet.

chazthundergut · 2017-12-14T18:57:20+00:00

Biology cannot be denied. Thank you for sharing this further scientific proof of what we've already come to understand intuitively.

chaosrunssociety · 2017-12-14T20:18:46+00:00

I want to believe this, because this is the view I hold, but where is a real peer reviewed psychological paper that backs this claim up? Is the correlation statistically significant? If so, what's the p-value?

Quit making sweeping claims without empirical evidence - It makes us all look bad and perpetuates allegations of misogyny.

Nerian99 · 2017-12-17T02:31:24+00:00

This doesn't refute charm and personality as a major factor. It only shows that being strong is attractive. All things the same being lean and strong is better, but a woman is going to be judging you on a lot more than that in real life. It also is ambiguous about whether or not there's a point of diminishing returns. I know for a fact women aren't swapping photos of fat powerlifters on their girly forums. In sum, yes lift weights, but it's not everything. 3-5 hours a week is more than enough. That leaves a lot of time. Most of your time should be spent on other things, money, social status, game, if you want to maximize your attractiveness. A lot of guys erroneously get obsessed with lifting as the panacea. They will take this study as meaning the more they deadlift the more girls they'll get. So he'll spend his life in the gym surrounded by large sweaty men grunting. Meanwhile the skinny musician guy is actually talking to girls and making their panties wet with his voice. The way I see it, get your noob gains, go to the gym 2-3 times a week, and move on with your life. Better to have 10 factors at 80% than 1 at 150%. My arms are 'dyel' mode to bodybuilder cultists, but are described as 'nice' by girls. You don't need much for a girl to be eye balling your arm as you fuck her. We are men. We put on muscle easily. Don't compare yourself to other men who lift, compare yourself to the average, and to women. If your arm is no bigger than a random girl's arm then you look like a girl, which is not attractive to a woman who is attracted to men. But it's pretty easy to fix that. As a man, muscle is your birth right, it's only a modern lifestyle that robs you of it. This is what women's brains evolved to expect to see: https://imgur.com/6mpo6yB - This guy doesn't lift weights, he just lives his life.

tibikush2012 · 2017-12-13T19:36:45+00:00

How do you measure strength in photos?

BusterVadge · 2017-12-13T20:21:12+00:00

In other news: The sky is blue, and water is wet.

dontgiveupcarib · 2017-12-13T21:38:20+00:00

So perma bulk >> lean aesthetics?

JedYorks · 2017-12-13T21:31:45+00:00

I want to lift today very bad, i had to be convinced to not go to the gym today because I just got hit by a car.lol!

MentalOnslaught · 2017-12-14T01:15:38+00:00

Sheesh, why is that Reddit so heavily moderated?

TunedtoPerfection · 2017-12-14T03:05:53+00:00

"There was no nuance to these results, he said. Zero of the 160 women surveyed showed a statistical preference for weaker men."

That's the best part, that shit never happens in science. But notice this is all based on how strong you LOOK. There is a key nuance in that. There is more to signaling strength then just lifting heavy weights. Train smart and hard to obtain a look that signals strength, it's not just big muscles it's being solid.

wanderer779 · 2017-12-14T03:14:48+00:00

As far as I can tell they didn't put the guys up head to head. If they did I'm sure they would have found women prefer tall weak guys to short strong guys. And that's especially true if both are wearing clothes, which we usually are. Unfortunately this isn't much of a useful insight since there's no way to get any taller.

The comments from the anthropologist who was criticizing the story were hilarious. First she starts off with some SJWey comment about how it's nice to see men treated as pieces of meat. Then she really gets going, saying she thinks it may be a cultural thing, and that it needs to be studied in other cultures. Which is fine I guess, although I'd argue this is probably a waste of money, but I don't think you're going to find anywhere on earth where strong men aren't preferred. Then she says that these results might not apply to everyone because college girls don't “have much of an experience with what attractiveness means". I am guessing the next move is to point out that these women will eventually marry skinny computer programmers as they switch to a post-wall BB strategy, err, I mean, their mating preferences mature.

Then someone else comes in and argues that in the old days women would have preferred barrel chested dudes to lean gym rats. I guess they missed the point that attractiveness was directly related to strength in this study. The whole point is women can tell how strong you are by looking at you and they like strength.

This stuff is so typical with these studies. Why are academics so often such fucking dimwits? It drives me insane sometimes.

tboyacending · 2017-12-14T04:09:45+00:00

I knew that in the 8th grade.

cafeitalia · 2017-12-14T04:55:30+00:00

What sucks is such article and even posting it makes it as if the life of a man is lived for a woman. No! Do not lift to look good for some woman who already sucked tens of cocks and had hundreds of facials before you. Lift for yourself! Be fit for your own self! Look good for your own self! Feel good doing the good things for yourself! A man does not and should never try to impress some bimbo. When you do all of it for yourself the woman will be trying to impress you. You have one life to live so live it for yourself.

Luckylancer96 · 2017-12-14T05:11:39+00:00

They made the research boys. This is now boht broscinence and actual science!

I would replace "strong" with "strong looking" because looks matter not strenght.

Fedor_Gavnyukov · 2017-12-14T06:00:54+00:00

more redpill confimations found here.watch til the end.

blkarcher77 · 2017-12-14T06:06:08+00:00

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise

muscleg33k · 2017-12-14T06:27:22+00:00

Can confirm this.
My progress so far http://i.magaimg.net/img/23qr.jpg

LiveAFTSOV · 2017-12-14T07:57:10+00:00

The study says the guys who look the strongest are most attractive, and ripped guys "look" stronger than fat power lifters, yeah?

That part I dont get.

All I know is women like muscles, whether they're 60 lb curl hypertrophy or 500 lb dead lift raw power muscles

irritus · 2017-12-14T08:21:07+00:00

When in doubt, lift it out

fromdario · 2017-12-14T16:55:30+00:00

I used to see these studies where they would say that sometimes women prefer men with effeminate faces and I'd just laugh.

DerekDiablo · 2017-12-15T07:51:22+00:00

I'm good-looking, ripped, and jacked. Plenty of Guys down here in South Florida scraping the bottom of the barrel while dudes who are fat with no looks smash more, not always because of Money... But in general, yes. Women can't Intellectualize a bunch of hard Muscle in their face...

bob13bob · 2017-12-16T10:06:30+00:00

there is flaws in any study. imo, standing side by side women like tall men more than buff. it's harder to tell that from invidual photos. It's the sam reason we get sex symbol men in movies who are shorties.

no social proof/status, no communication skills, no shit tests. this is straight physical attraction which is only one part of it.

Cunari · 2017-12-16T20:32:45+00:00

Then women should find muscles like back and legs more attractive and not biceps as that has more to do with overall body strength.

Lefort9000 · 2017-12-17T00:03:40+00:00

Lifting will pretty much always improve your attractiveness to girls (unless you get "too big", which is only gonna happen through heavy steroid use), but this study didn't take into account facial attractiveness. A more realistic study would've included the guys' faces to be rated.

corsega · 2017-12-17T17:10:13+00:00

Here is the fulltext: http://sci-hub.tw/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819

FaderOne · 2017-12-13T20:30:10+00:00

I have the flu, but this post is going to make me go lift tonight and not miss my schedule… Thank you

Edit: well I’m restarted and that’s a bad idea. Thank you bros who called me out for that..I’ll stay in and recover until I get 100% then hit the gym (was also tarting bjj later this week but I’ll wait on that.)

Love this sub. Only place on the internet people actually care and share their honest opinions.

lotikpotik · Wed Dec 13 19:23:42 2017 UTC

they should make a study of what happens when u step into water with your socks

Starfuckingman · 2017-12-14T01:30:02+00:00

This might be hamstering from my part, or perhaps not but the context of this post feels like its saying ''hey women like that, let's do it''. While I have no issue with that whatsoever nor any problem with the post but when it comes to lifting, especially lifting, I always want it to stem from a mad need for getting strong and disciplined and invincible. Its becoming one of my most self-healing things I've ever done in my entire life, it putted me on the equal grounds of real men and gave me a chance to be virtuous and kind out of strength. Its becoming a like a holy thing for me that I'd never for a second degrade it by the idea of doing it to get some pussy. But hey, don't let my overdramatizing get to you. Wanna dem muscle to get that ass, sure bro. Have a good day.

mrBatata · 2017-12-14T04:41:24+00:00

Even though I predict something like that in real life this study is shit, don't let yourselves fall into the click bait ffs.

THIS STUDY IS HEAVILY BIASED!!!

160 women surveyed

Sixty of the shirtless men were recruited from the university gym; 130 were students enrolled in psychology courses

The raters were college-age women evaluating the appearance of college-age men

2017-12-13T21:46:50+00:00

And as we all know, we always have no shirts on. Even in winter!

ageontargaryarn · 2017-12-13T21:56:08+00:00

In another news, the Sun continues to rise in the East

ThickDickWarrior89 · 2017-12-13T22:26:29+00:00

Women crazed a big bone til you jam it in em and damage their cervix- bigdickwarrior

aaaasssaaa11 · 2017-12-14T00:19:22+00:00

In other news, water is wet.

LadyofArrows1976 · 2017-12-14T02:35:53+00:00

It’s linear but it has a cap, as a female I know that there’s a point where muscle stops being attractive and starts making you look like a pile of bowling balls. Still, the findings are pretty accurate.

ooo_something_shiny · 2017-12-14T03:07:25+00:00

Washington post is as beta as you can get

Cenki · 2017-12-14T05:17:36+00:00

I find physically strong women more attractive too I think.

SpottyDam · 2017-12-15T03:51:01+00:00

This doesn't apply to manlets though. Manlets are never intimidating even when they are jacked and are a laughing stock to women.

ThickDickWarrior89 · 2017-12-13T22:17:12+00:00

Bad news for the betas... all I can say is- get your lazy fucking ass in the gym!

Guipbtt · 2017-12-13T23:54:27+00:00

When did lifting become the only way to stay fit?

2017-12-14T03:21:03+00:00

Water is wet, the sky is blue, & I'm shredded.

sleepkeeping · 2017-12-14T07:40:13+00:00

Fuck, so much sperg overanalysis in here. Take the gist of it: go to the gym, eat well, and get into shape. You'll be more desirable. In other news, water is wet.

fromdario · 2017-12-14T07:52:36+00:00

Yeah, but I look strong as fuck too. And I get like 1/50 tinder matches.

Go make a tinder profile with a skinny model as the photo and you’ll get 1/5 matches

Murbarron · 2017-12-14T10:01:02+00:00

College aged girls rating college aged guys, what a surprise, who would have thought. The second I saw this badly done survey, I knew it'd end up on here, someone to boost their fragile ego.

RichJuicer · 2017-12-14T10:26:08+00:00

"Continue lifting" might not be right conclusion, though. Because loads of swole doesn't signal "strength" to women, it signals "narcissist douche". Women are more into the physiques of Olympic swimmers than those of bodybuilders.

2017-12-14T14:55:24+00:00

So Eddie Hall must be drowning in pussy.

meaningintragedy · 2017-12-13T20:49:11+00:00

As a fat powerlifter I like this study. 😀