Cheating wife tells her lover (me) how loyal she is (reposted 3 years later) (self.TheRedPill)

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I received a distressed request for help this week. Guy basically found out his wife is a brazen whore yet he can't fully get his head around all the lies he still so badly wants to believe.

Guy is stuck grappling with the fact that women say whatver they feel at the moment and to them...thats the truth.

Anyway I had already covered this 3 years ago so thought I'd repost for the newer guys who should give this idea some thought. .


So I caught up with my married slutty friend recently for drinks. Its been awhile and I wanted to reconnect. Summer is here and there is more free time for extra curricular activities.

She was just back from a trip with two single GFs to someplace in Cali where her ex-bf surfer alpha now lives. Apparently, her husband was unaware this "girls trip" was to the same town where Chad the surfer lives. She told me how her husband yelled and screamed over the phone. Doesn't sound like he is capable of doing anything but whining so we know here how women treat these guys.

Then she told me how the husband really had no right to give her such a hard time because she is so loyal and a good wife to him.

I honestly give zero fucks about her Cali trip or her husband. I was just listening and remaining cool & confident and relaxed. I gently teased her by reminding her about all the recent times I had her legs pinned behind her ears. Yea... You were one of the most loyal fucks of my life I told her

"oh.. that doesnt count. I meant he can trust me except for you /u/theultmatecad."

Lessons learned: Women lie constantly. To others AND themselves. Women accept no responsibility for anything they do and its pointless to expect otherwise.

[–]coco5440 286 points287 points  (15 children)

Yeah -- my ex used to go on and on about how important marriage was and how we'd be together forever -- or at least until she met a guy with a lot more money.

[–][deleted] 208 points209 points  (2 children)

and when she said all that to you..she meant it.

But she only meant that in the moment and AWALT

[–]kaane 29 points30 points  (0 children)

As the great philosopher George Costanza once said, "It's not a lie if you believe it"

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Women are pathological liars, and their words are only derived from emotions.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 27 points28 points  (0 children)

They marry your wallet, not your dick.

Legal Cohabiting Female told once told me how much she respected me because she told other people nice things about me. Of course, this was while talking foreign dick. Her actions were exceptionally disrespectful to a marriage, but that's ok, because others will think I was a nice guy.

heh. Women.

[–]ProveMeWrong999 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Same here but the guy didn't even have money, she just wanted to fuck someone else two months before our wedding. Then she accused me of raping her to win the break up. She only spread the rumors to my friends and never press charges, of course. I am so done with these snakes.

[–]MasterGoshinki 7 points8 points  (0 children)

same here except i was married.

also she claimed DV, not rape

[–]BewareTheOldMan 7 points8 points  (6 children)

When are women going to realize these false complaints only hurt actual victims? These accusations have potential to send men to prison – it’s THAT serious.

The automatic default is to question the credibility of any accusation of rape, sexual harassment, or domestic violence accuser...and that's a terrible thing, because at one time women were highly believable. One has to assume it "didn't happen" if there are no legitimately filed complaints, witnesses, or overwhelming evidence. Besides – innocent until proven guilty…right?

Today men are getting smoked from a basic accusation. Even worse, there's no scrutiny on the accuser and no apparent "time limit" to file a complaint.

hashtag - metoo...Really?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 37 points38 points  (4 children)

When are women going to realize these false complaints only hurt actual victims?

They don't care.

These accusations have potential to send men to prison – it’s THAT serious.

They don't care.

[–]Red_Faust 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, congrats on your birthday :)

I read your comment history before the main TRP page every day!

[–]HeavenlyMystery 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Congratz with your birthday!

[–]the99percent1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you think wimminz give a fuck about other wimminz? No.. they only care about what they can soley gain from it.

[–]Wel108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You failed to realize she was monetarily driven. Second failure was assuming she’d stay with you if you didn’t have the means to keep her “happy.”

[–]improvising1 60 points61 points  (6 children)

The one time I fucked a married chick (a coworker no less, ah to be young again) she repeatedly made a point of telling me how loyal she was. I found it confusing but hilarious.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Yea well people who are really loyal don’t need to say it.

If someone came up to you and said “hey my name’s bob and I don’t smoke meth”, it would be strange cause that’s something that doesn’t need to be said. It’s a default assumption.

[–]weroafable 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I found it confusing too, had a similar experience with a co-worker she just told me how much she loved him. How does that make any sense? I don't know anymore and I just don't care anymore. Poor girl I left her wet and horny but I knew she was not taking any birth control and I had no condoms in my house so I just came in her mouth without a warning.

[–]improvising1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

LOL. Love finds a way.

Female love != male love.

Make your peace with this or be forever tormented. Welcome to Fight Club (better than Being Hit in the Face Repeatedly And That's OK Club).

[–]weroafable 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm not saying she loves me the way I do I love her because I like loving her, she is not the only one I love though. I'm not committing away from love just because bitches do not know how to do it themselves.

She gives me what I want when I'm with her and at those times I know she loves me when I'm away that's her own business I just do not worry about it. I take what I like from her and so does she, is she an unicorn? Hell no I know that I'm not delusional, and because I'm not delusional I can enjoy what I like while I have it. No need to be angry pal.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have no clue wtf I just read but I think you misinterpreted the other dude’s comment

[–]bg2444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The truth is evident and doesn't need to be said.

Often the things shouted the most or the loudest are the biggest lies or at the very least are the most biased and evasive.

[–]NJA4242 1 points1 points [recovered]

I had a woman lie to me recently, I called her out about it and got a big sigh of AWALT because she couldnt just take it. She was caught red handed but "Its not that big of a deal" then "Its not that big of a deal".

I dont think she understands that what she lied about wasnt the big deal but her lying to me was

[–]Schwaggaccino 22 points23 points  (3 children)

My ex would do this all the time and to take it a step further, she would want specific examples. As soon as I started pointing this out, she became really apologetic and charming and offer sex. A day later she would go back to the same behavior.

[–]NJA4242 1 points1 points [recovered]

Did you take her up on the sex and apology right away?

[–]Schwaggaccino 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No. I have a pride thing so most of the time I would wait and she would end up calling her dad and her dad would ask me to forgive her.

[–]haroldpeters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol you actually entertained this calling dad bs...

[–]buddhadarko 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Had a married woman tell me the same thing. That she was loyal as loyal could be. In her mind, fucking another man behind her husband’s back was justified based on how she felt about him and their situation when compared to the life she saw in her mind with me.

Hypergamy is REAL AWALT is REAL Feels are REAL

[–]BewareTheOldMan 18 points19 points  (3 children)

...fucking another man behind her husband’s back was justified based on how she felt about him and their situation when compared to me.

That's some super-hyper and Olympic-Level "rationalization."

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's very commonplace, your average non-olympian woman is well capable of it. It's the same mechanism in action that makes them 100% convinced that they are themselves certainly not like "those other girls". She's unique in every way, her situation and behavior is simply not comparable to how women generally act. There's all of them, and then there's her, so unique and incomparable. She would never ever do what they always do, and those times when she did do it before, they don't count because reasons. Soooo, what's the problem, why don't you wanna commit to a great deal like that?

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See my post Schroedinger's nAWALT. I expand on this greatly.

[–]buddhadarko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’d like to say that they hide their true nature, but it’s so innate, so wired into their very being that they themselves don’t see the failed logic in the reasons they give for their actions. It’s not even super-hyper, your average chick whether she’s a 10 or a 4, is capable of the same hamster rationalizations. I know of girls in LTRs that regularly fuck other men because their main guy is “boring” or he “doesn’t pay enough attention to her”. Really, they could use any “reason”; “he didn’t call me back, he didn’t text me when I was feeling sad, he worked overtime instead of coming home to see me”. The married woman I was booking up with had NO problem sucking and riding me, but she played an Oscar-winning role as the good wife. You’d never know she was getting piped by another guy on the regular if you met her and she talked about her kids and her husband.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 61 points62 points  (5 children)

true. my friend just got out from immigration prison, was there for almost 2 years. so he hits up one of his old bitches to get some. she's married now apparently. tells him that she's down to fuck him any day of the week anyway because of their close past. but "normally i'd never do that" was the text he showed me. we both laughed and felt sorry for her man.

[–]tanqop 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Similar situation last week and I heard: "Normally I am not so impulsive". Yeah right... AWALT

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 8 points9 points  (1 child)

seriously. i know a few dudes in the military too. the shit that goes on with military wives is on some other level. I'm sure you guys have heard stories. these hoes ain't loyal.

[–]weroafable 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why feel sorry for her man ? If AWALT wouldn't you feel sorry for yourself as an extension?

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No cuz they arent blue pill cucks like the husband

[–]AstuteBlackMan 120 points121 points  (24 children)

This is how our society is functioned. Women have been given certain advantages. This means we have to respond and simply be aware and not give in to them.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (22 children)

Oh I couldnt agree more.

Women are born with their value and have always been the protected gender.

I'm not complaining..thats a waste of time.

But ...I play to win and their rules dont matter

[–]chauncy_popperstein 29 points30 points  (0 children)

And that is the only way to be. Why? Because our rules (men's codes of honor and such) don't apply to them.

There is a reason the phrase goes:

"A man is only as good as his word".

Notice how it doesn't say shit about women? That's because women doesn't even know they are lying when they say this stuff. They believe it 10,000%. Self awareness is painfully rare in females. The only woman I have ever meet that even shows hints of it is my main plate. But even she hamsters stuff.

[–]AstuteBlackMan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly. That's how you truly win. Being apathetic to the bullcrap. They fall back in your frame anyways.

[–]An_Ignorant 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Yes, but women have a great curse, their value plummets when they become older.

Their true value comes from their talents, experiences and skills. Things they are taught to ignore from an early age.

When their value suddenly plummets, most become bitter and resentful. The world that loved them just for being no longer pays attention.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (9 children)

This is a ridiculous revenge fantasy. The “Wall” is much, much softer than you’re letting on. My grandmother still has dudes hitting on her and buying her things. Yeah, the Wall means she can’t have Chad. However, she still has a vagina, and boy howdy will that open doors even when you’re old and used up.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

70 year old pussy is hot.

says Marcon the low t French fag

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Fair enough brother. None the less, bitches still get privileges well into post wall years. There’s some fantasy land where women get their comeuppance and live the life of many felines. I don’t see it. They get less options. But still have many more than the silent majority of men.

Less focus on fairness, more focus on living well.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

There is no fairness. Get over it

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure how it's a revenge fantasy. It's factual that as women hit the wall their suitors drop drastically because their younger competition comes into their prime. It's not saying there aren't thirsty dudes out there who willing to pursue anyway.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's not lamenting the loss of orbiters though... You're taking up the BP view. "Oh then I met my best friend..."

It's real, and it exaggerates AFBB

[–]DreamBoatGuy25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I find this to be true as well.

We'd all like to think that the scales of justice balance out for women later in life but one of the important things I learned from RP is that biology is not fair. It was never meant to be fair and it was never going to be fair because that's not how the universe works.

[–]weroafable -4 points-3 points  (7 children)

I have a question for you I've been dating a girl for 6 months I know she is not loyal neither do I, she paid a vacation for me to go to Cabo San Lucas next week, should I go? And end it later or continue playing her ? I do love her but I have no problem loving girls and letting go I've done it before. What would you do ?

Truth is I want to go have a good time and continue with my life anyway it's free.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

There is nothing to do here. You dont own her and you haven't given any commitment of your own and if she senses you are concerned about the trip then she will cheat and lose respect.

When you are doing this "right", its her who should be worried that you are up to mischief when she is away. That doesn't mean she will be faithful but its the right place for a man to be in his relationship with women

[–]weroafable 3 points4 points  (4 children)

She will cheat either way if she feels like it at the moment.

But yes I believe she should be the one concerned. She senses not I'm worried about it I don't talk much of what I think with her.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

The whole macho dont be a cuck doesn't apply to plates. The best and only way to inspire loyalty or even fake loyalty is to make them chase your committment

[–]weroafable 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Now that's insightful to me. I was going to ask how do you do it but then sidebar is all about it

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

To truly do it, and not fake it, learn to give up attachments of any kind. Truly look to let go and you will see that this bitch faithfulness (or lack thereof) means zero to your value.

That means you and you alone create and define your value.

The reason most men go bananas over a woman cheating is they took a shot to the ego and think they failed. Bad line of thinking.

Sometimes a dog eats a steak dangling even if his owner fed, groomed and loved him right. That's dogs for you.

[–]weroafable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is great advice, thank you!

[–]weroafable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But yeah I was seeing to much into this, fuck that I'll do whatever I feel like doing. Thank you

[–]weroafable 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe contraception change society forever

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 89 points90 points  (5 children)

You can only enjoy the company of women once you fully accept their opportunistic and dishonest nature. Not just acknowledge it mind you, but also through your outward behaviour.

I openly tease women about potential opportunities to cheat and indulge. I tease them about getting fat and missing opportunities as a result. I tease them about all of their struggles for winning and then keeping a guy's attention long enough to extract value from him. They lap it up. They giggle and punch me and admit me deeper into their personal lives. And soon thereafter, they admit me into their bedrooms.

Women crave for a man who gets it.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Men who get it are refreshing to women who are sick of feminized soyboys

[–]Blazingtatsumaki 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do you do that? Case studies?

[–]beta_no_mo 49 points50 points  (3 children)

I have a plate that constantly reminds me how loyal she is like she's doing me a favor (swearing that she's exclusive with me). I just laugh and wait for the inevitable.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Laughing is a good strategy and attitude

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Remember to find a way to pat her head and tell her "good job".

You may be aware that it's a disingenuous manipulation she's trying to use on you, as old as time itself, but it's still adorable and deserves that little reward from you. When she says "I love you" you can respond with good work, keep it up,baby.

[–]beta_no_mo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She's my sub, so I give her a paternal "good girl" and she just beams like it means something.

[–]SolarWizard 81 points82 points  (18 children)

Biological sexual strategy is immoral. Because of this women (and men but in different ways) have evolved psychological processes to justify their immoral actions to enable them to to cope in a world that on the surface values morality.

Cognitive biases and cognitive dissonance are some of these processes. It does seem that they have also developed an ability to completely ignore some rational arguments if they go against this inherited psychological programming.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (12 children)

I'd say it's amoral more than immoral.

[–]Jigsus 27 points28 points  (9 children)

"Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder and sieve it through the finest sieve and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. and yet... and yet you act as if there is some ideal order in the world, as if there is some... some rightness in the universe by which it may be judged."

[–]spicypiss -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

It's a bitch move to not give credit to the source of the quote. This is from Terry Prachet in case anyone thought this twat was being original.

[–]juliusstreicher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's no big thing unless you're writing your Thesis or Dissertation.

I bet you told a lot on those guys who cheated on tests in elementary school, didn't you?

[–]Jigsus 31 points32 points  (5 children)

The quotes gave away that I was quoting. Bitch.

[–]spicypiss 21 points22 points  (3 children)

"That's not how it works faggot" -Jesus Christ

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"You two should get a room" - Your mom

[–]Senor_Martillo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bullshit. That was Morgan Freeman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s my kind of bible quote.

[–]marlybarrow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But you didn't give the source.

[–]Mithra9009 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's amoral. I also think amorality is immoral.

[–]yuube 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure who gave you a downvote, it’s true.

[–]cellphon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man that was a great explanation. Well written.

No one is "evil" we just all operate as best as we can given our obsolete monkey brain.

[–]DreamBoatGuy25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well technically cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort of holding two competing thoughts. So it's actually "the lack of cognitive dissonance" due to things like rationalization and adaptive preference formation that are justification processes. It's a pretty common misconception though and your point still stands.

[–]improvising1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

they have also developed an ability to completely ignore some rational arguments

We all have this and it will fuck you up from time to time. Ironic given that you reference allude to cognitive biases.

[–]Hjalmbere 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Observation: Her husband and in extension general societal blue pill conditioning is allowing her hamster to run hog wild. The husband’s gut is telling him what’s up, but his blue pill conditioning is telling him he should trust his deluded wife.

I’d bet my entire collection of vintage Playboy magazines and early punk rock singles on the cuckold husband not doing proper due diligence before wifing up. I’m betting red flags such as slutty friends and high n-count were visible.

TLDR; If your gut is telling you your woman is cheating, she probably is.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

...husband not doing proper due diligence before wifing up.

Men's lack of extreme vetting and evaluation is one of the base reasons that men have problems with women - that and failure to understand female nature/ingrained behavior.

I was in yet another pointless online debate (with other women participating) and a commenter actually gave me issue on the statement that men must seriously scrutinize and "test" women hard before making a commitment as huge as marriage.

Women do it all the time. Men vetting women is just as important as the regular testing done by women to confirm if a man is worthy.

I’m thinking…maybe the "12 Trials of Hercules" type-vetting would suffice…a bit hyperbolic, but I suspect most men get the point.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Much simpler to not marry and plate many women.

[–]TheRojoPill 55 points56 points  (43 children)

This is post is so well timed! Just last night a smoking hot married chick with kids was having a great time with me while the poor husband was probably looking after the kids. She was telling me of her many beta provider “boyfriends” along with her husband that are looking after her financially, while she’s buying me drinks and enjoying me...it’s a fucked up world but if you don’t play to win then you’re destined to lose

[–]mishasam89 65 points66 points  (38 children)

if you don’t play to win then you’re destined to lose

I'm not really sure what's 'winning' anymore..

[–]TheRojoPill 42 points43 points  (23 children)

I’ll give you a hint...it’s definitely not the husband in my given context

[–]Arnoux 45 points46 points  (21 children)

The person you have answered was right. What is winning?

Today's world is so different than what have programmed biologically because of birth control and condoms. If this husband has 2 biological children from that "smoking hot chick" then he was successful in evolutionary sense. He not only could get 2 children but from a "smoking hot chick", so probably the genes of these children are really good. If you will have zero children at the end of the day you lose in evolutionary sense, not matter how many married women you fucked.

Please note that I am not advocating cuckold at all. I would never let my wife/gf cheat on me, I would instantly turn away from her. I just wanted to point out that winning conditions can be different for different purposes, especially because of the wide spread use of birth control and condom.

[–]uvavuindeed 15 points16 points  (8 children)

It's up to us to define our own win state.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Disgree. For example incels rationalize a way to call their sexless MGTOW existence a "win" but it's really delusion.

[–]uvavuindeed 7 points8 points  (6 children)

You're letting your emotions rule your thinking. We are the product of a Universe with no preferred state therefore any win state we choose for ourselves is a delusion.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Disagree. For one you're assuming there is no will or purpose in the universe and that it has no preferred state. For two, as far as we can see we are living within a biological system where there are winners and losers regardless of what you want to believe.

[–]uvavuindeed 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I'm assuming there's no will or purpose in the Universe because the Universe is not the product of an intelligent designer. This is a rational assumption because it has consensus in the scientific community. Yours isn't because it's based on emotion and faith.

Evolution is an unguided natural force therefore it has no imperative. It doesn't care if humans flourish or get weeded out of existence. Only we care about gene survival because we're emotionally invested in that outcome. The concept of "winning" and "losing" only exists in the mind.

What you're doing is anthropomorphising biology with your own preferences and beliefs.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Not necessarily. I'm playing the agnostic here. I'm not claiming to know what the ultimate game is. But I'm not convinced that "winners" and "losers" is completely subjective. Although I suspect there may indeed be something to the idea put forth by Schopenhauer/Nietzsche about the world as Will to life. Evolutionary theory can be nested well inside this.

[–]TheRojoPill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand why you’re taking a bio-philosophical viewpoint?

The main takeaway is that regardless of whatever I do or don’t do with her, it doesn’t change the true underlying nature of this woman. If not me, there are other guys she definitely wouldn’t shy away from.

Do you really think I would even want children with someone like her in the first place? You could become a sperm donor and spread your genes through multiple women so then you’re winning financially as well as from an “evolutionary sense”?

[–]n0oo7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Winning at sexual selection exists outside of the realm of red pilling though.

[–]patriargate 1 points1 points [recovered]

Good answer. Gamers justify their bad actions with the lack of morality of women. Men have to be strict on themselves and others, else society falls in depravity. Trust is the cement of society, and these men contribute to its destruction. Certainly, would it be my wife, i find this guy, and i shoot a bullet between his eyes, only after having cut his balls and made him eat. Justice is not words, it is actions. If more men would be kicking others asses, society would be back in place very fast.

[–]TheRojoPill 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Good job on getting on your moral high horse under the pretense of being a “man”.

On one hand you preach morality and rescuing society from depravity. On the other you would willingly murder someone after castrating and forcing self-cannibalism, and for what? Someone not having a moral compass calibrated to yours, oh not to mention the woman getting away scott-free. Yeah...you’re a real “man”!

[–]Koryphae_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nice effort, bro, but you can not argue with women or beta men. He is the latter.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

commit murder for .....a woman.

bluepill alert!

[–]An_Ignorant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ouch, that was a massive truth-bomb.

[–]abstractplebbit -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

You could cuck everyone else and be the supreme alpha male. That is an example of winning

[–]Arnoux 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Birth control, condom, abortion, 3 day pill, paternity test, child support.

In today's world you cannot just cuck others and face zero consequence.

[–]abstractplebbit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can actually get away with it 100% LEGALLY in places like France and maybe Canada

[–]Arnoux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, then sexual strategy varies between countries :D Yes I remember France is a strange country. You should cuck the husbands there :D

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well how are you going to spread your seed?

[–]joner888 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Bailing out and living n the forest or countryside away from all the lies and degenaracy

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

This is unironically my goal

[–]joner888 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Me to I just need some money and a traditional women. Although I might need to move out of Sweden to aquire those two

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Ive got the traditional nazi gf rn, just need cash

[–]joner888 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Try stocks like Lockheed Martin or Tesla or Boeing and wait a couple of years. Or trade in forex

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Too collapsepilled to play with stocks

[–]joner888 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Collapse pilled ? ( im not really familiar with all the terms and codewords used in this subreddit)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ah dont worry its a nazi term

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Just living by your own morals and accomplishing your own goals lad.

[–]weroafable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel you brother, what's winning? I guess it's only defined by you, some Marcus Aurelius might help you.

[–]Hugh_Munghous 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“If your enemy has sex with your wife, you win.” - Justin Trudeau

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

One thing to know about fucking married women.

It's highly unlikely that she only cheats with you

If a woman will cheat with you, then its a lock she will cheat on you

[–]TheRojoPill 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You wanna know what I found hilarious? She literally left me at times to try it on with a few other dudes. I kept frame and did my own thing and guess who came crawling back each time and kept apologizing?

Her hamster’s response, “Sorry, I only wanted to know if you get jealous” ... when you know it’s only your turn you don’t get jealous.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact that you didn't get jealous piqued her curiousity to come back.

[–]DatingCoach111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Go into your next LTR with this knowledge, and your relationship will flourish. It is an inevitable matter of time before she sucks another cock dry behind your back, leaves you, or branch swings. It makes living in the moment, and every moment with her, that much more enjoyable.

Remember: She’s not yours. It’s just your turn.

[–]Jonlife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women seem to love to say bullshit like this out loud to try and convince themselves. The web of lies is many Chads deep

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember this story.

Classic cad

[–]IllllllIIIlllIIIIlI 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Isn’t fucking a married mans wife hypocritical to TRP? Part of the problem with women and infidelity is the clear lack of integrity amongst men.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP is hardly hypocritical but it does show that current TRP strategy is not exactly optimal for a thriving civilization. Unfortunately, it is the hand we have been dealt. Play the game or it will play you.

[–]blackpinkera 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree,

First time on this reddit and reading the description of this sub

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men

There are some really good eye opening posts here, but why's there so much hate for other men who are "more beta?" Isn't this supposed to be a community or is it every man for himself.

[–]IllllllIIIlllIIIIlI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve only lurked this subreddit for like two years off and on and when I first read it, it was when I was going through a bad breakup with a woman with Borderline Personality Disorder and this subreddit at the time seemed to preach ‘men becoming men to become men’ now it seems everyone here preaches ‘men becoming men to get women’ which is counter productive in the “fight” against women. This sub is almost useless.

The best advice I’ve learned as a 21 year old guy through trial and error, is a lot of women will screw and can screw you if you give them a chance but not all, women are wired differently than men but we all want the same thing... wealth power love and sex, marriage isn’t in a mans best interest but that doesn’t mean you can’t find satisfying long term relationships, wear a rubber, despite what people tell you you shouldn’t try and sleep with every piece of hot tail you can... it’s worth your time to conquer pussy, life is about experience you should be learning or trying something new everyday, be nice to everyone but always have a plan to beat them into submission if you have to, learn psychological judo, take risks

I could keep going but that’s the best summary that works for me

[–]DamnDatAssSoFine 1 points1 points [recovered]

That’s a great post. As far as scientific approach is concerned though, I’d like to point out that assuming all women lie just from this one example is a far stretch.

I do get your point though.

[–]beginner_ 30 points31 points  (11 children)

It's also a circular conclusion. You can only ever meet/fuck married woman that are exceptionally well at hamstering and deceiving themselves or simply are mentally ill. The ones that are worse at it, that have shame and guilt, you will never meet in such a context. So that gives the impression 100% of married women are cheating sluts. Of course this isn't true. At the same time AWALT still is true.

Reader should stop tasking this shit 100% literally. These are the extreme stories, yes they happen. But they are meant as a warning not to get too comfortable, too complacent, too naive once you decided to start an LTR because that is exactly the type of guys these things happen to most commonly. And yeah, never marry.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 24 points25 points  (0 children)

If you aren't at least unconsciously aware of this from the post then I doubt it really applies to you anyway.

Not all married women are sluts due to a weaker hamster/difference in values/whatever but if the husband is a beta (by her estimate) then he's getting disrespected in some way regardless. She can have a dead bedroom and not slut around.

The point of the post wasn't "all married women are cheating sluts". The point is to simply be aware that these women are cheating because a better option is on the table and they can get away with it. A different married woman might officially leave the husband and another would just switch off the sex entirely. And all decisions could be triggered for many different reasons.

[–]1ozaku7 -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

It's also TRP that portrays it as if only women are the ones cheating. Both genders cheat, just TRP is full of men who don't it seems.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

One of the vanguard, u/Cyralea, wrote a fantastic post two years ago on the differences between studs and sluts....


Sluts & Studs: Why Promiscuity is Acceptable for Men and Not Women

Paraphrased.... A key that can open many locks is considered a master key, a lock that can be opened by any key is just a shitty lock.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah, a goldie oldie.

But the main point is rather different. The sexual market is like an open buffet for women but paid for men. Women can just walk in and eat all they can, while men have to pay with effort to get the food they desire. It is frowned upon if you stuff yourself like a pig for free and dump half the food in the thrashcan because they couldn't eat anymore, and complain how much it sucked, while others have to pay for it and take a decent amount they can easily eat.

So a man who can eat all he can without significant impact in his finances is considered a king, someone to look up to. But any woman can just eat all she wants because it's offered to her for free, and she can only be looked up to if she decided to eat the amount she can and be picky about it.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Still don't understand your point.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's not about locks, it's about how easy it is to attain something. The lock analogy works, but I find the buffet one more accurate.

Women can get sex at a fingersnap, men have to work for it.

[–]abstractplebbit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's also full of men who do if you actually read the posts around here

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

When I see a gun, I assume it's loaded.

Scientifically, it may not be

Does that mean I shouldn't assume it's dangerous?

[–]blackpinkera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Guy is stuck grappling with the fact that women say whatever they feel at the moment and to them...thats the truth."

This is something I really needed to hear, now I can totally see it.

[–]p0gop0pe 1 points1 points [recovered]

Pretty much any woman that is out grabbing drinks with the boys while her married husband sits at home is cheating, yes. Thats why you keep these thots out of your life, and find a girl that wants to spend all her time with you. And, of course, the men who can't find someone like this will be screaming "LOL GL THATS UNHEALTHY" or "SHES PROBABLY STILL CHEATING. LOL." But to those men I wish you good luck in life because pessimism won't get you anywhere with women.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

find a girl that wants to spend all her time with you.


The thing is, she probably is - atleast, she has the potential to.

If a girl wants to cheat, it will happen, doesnt matter how much time she spends with you.

It's fun, sure - thats how you become "her main squeeze" or have her become your main girl, but there will always be side hoes and side niggas.

Just the way it is.

So yeah, even if a girl wants to spend all her time with you, shes still cheating on you

EDIT: btw, I have a girl like this in my life already, and she loves me, showers me with gifts, and spends almost every waking moment with me - she still has other guys on her phone, still hangs out with other guys, and always gets mad I wont be exclusive with her. AWALT

I just happen to be her most favorite cock ATM

[–]abcocktail 1 points1 points [recovered]

Ok i need to vent at this fucking community because some of you are too stupid to realize how illogical you sound.

It makes NO sense to get pissed at women for cheating if you guys yourselves are cheats as well. It makes no fucking sense. You guys brag about cheating on married women and how they have no loyalty when you guys are part of the problem or would willingly do the same to your SO.

Fucking another man's wife is a bitch move. It's not Alpha, because you do it in the shadows and behind people's backs. You hide it like a bitch because you know it's fucked up and you'd be judged for it. TRP shouldn't be glorifying sociopathic behavior that is all about taking what you want with no regard for the consequences or morality of what you do.

Marriage is a thing. Trust is a thing. There are trustworthy, good people out there, men and women, and the fact that there are some bad apples doesn't justify you in becoming a bad apple yourself.


tldr: cheating , whether it's on your own SO or with other people's SOs, is a bitch move. Stop justifying and glorifying it on this sub you fucking sociopaths.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (15 children)

so much concern trolling and moralizing........Fucking Delish!!!!!

Mods, here you go

[–]abcocktail 1 points1 points [recovered]

So TRP has no morals and it's only about getting your dick wet with no regard for consequences? Dude you are pathetic. This is insane levels of delusion.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (13 children)

I believe you are a victim to others programming.

I believe I can do whatever I want with my life and your opinion and approval mean nothing

[–]abcocktail 1 points1 points [recovered]

That's fucking cool dude, keep doing you. Your life. I would never, ever, in a million years be friends with you, or trust you with anything, and I have a feeling people who knew the "real you" would also feel the same. Cuz it's all about whatever the fuck you want, right?

But yea, do what you're gonna do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children)

It's completely unimportant that you are my friend (or not). You aren't hearing me and frankly thats fine. Others do hear me and I fully expect most of you to drown despite the fact that I am showing you safe passage that has always existed in your own self

[–]Luis_McLovin -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

TBH I'd never be your friend and I doubt most would. Sounds like you'd hit on my mum. Low class white trash.

[–]Rekcarc_Eci 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is your mum hot? If so, yes.


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

oh no! I really really give a fuck what strangers think

[–]Luis_McLovin -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

You clearly do, or you wouldn't have written this spiel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Yes, I responded = cares so so much.

Coulnt be amusing myself on the toilet. Or waiting for microwave

[–]1GreenPiller 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I remember the lightswitch effect but what should we call this one? The ______ effect?

[–]patriargate 1 points1 points [recovered]

That's just insane. Understandable, but not acceptable. That husband should go full rampage. It seems that the world needs some concrete lessons.

[–]Fanaticism 22 points23 points  (1 child)

That husband should go full rampage.

No, you're not getting it. He should lawyer up, hit the gym and get a divorce. Paltry bitches like these aren't worth getting a high blood pressure over.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Bro-knight much?

I don't owe you, or anyone, anything.

Only thing husband should rampage at is himself for being the exact kind of blooper that his wife has absolutely no concern cheating on. That's on him.

"teach the world a lesson?" LMK how that goes.

Moralizing broknighting misplaced aggression.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (5 children)

How can you say that bro...

I see you post alot about how 'If you were fucking your girl right, I wouldnt have to fuck her,"

Well, the truth is, it doesnt matter how alpha chad you are, and how rough your sex is. If a girl wants to cheat on John with Triadis, it's gonna happen, dont matter how alpha caveman sex John gives his girl.

Just like staceysmomlovesmesaid :

"Even after you groomed, fed, and walked your dog, it will still eat your steak. Such is doge"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

If you are alphaChad, vet, set boundaries and manage your bitches right then it does decrease the tendency of women to awalt.

Awalt actually does break down as you drill down to the individual level.

I had a post up about deconstuction of awalt as the sample size decreases, but it was poorly worded and rushed so I killed it. Watch the main page.

So, if you choose a woman who is not in the meat of the bellcurve, and further hedge your bets by being her host with the most, yes, it does decrease the chance she'll branch swing.

If I'm on top of the tallest tree in her forest, there are no higher branches. Where can she swing to?

And going meta, why would you care if she did? Just means you didn't do your job well enough as a man.

If you don't take care of your toys, I'll play with them.

You're a bit literal minded, so I'll put it this way.... two situations...

1 - You are a fat lazy videogamer who has low libido and zero leadership tendencies. You haven't fucked your wife in a month and she's given up. You are just not attractive anymore. She runs the house because you can't be trusted to get anything done. You've devolved into a little boy, jerking off when mommy goes to bed. She has zero fear of you leaving her because she knows you have zero options.

2 - You are killing it in all aspects of your MAP, are successful, built, a leader and fuck her well and regularly, you're fair but the authority when it comes down to making a decision. You have a clear vision of what your life is and where it's going, and the attitude that she can come along for the ride, or not, regardless your life direction will not change. She knows you have many options beside her because who wouldn't want to branch swing to you?

Who do you think is more LIKELY to suck some Triad side dick?

I'm not talking absolutes, because AWALT is default, but consider the spectrum.

To use Staci's analogy... If you're regularly stuffing your bitch with high quality meat, then the chance she'll wolf down some other lower cut is diminished. Not to zero, because some bitches will gorge until they vomit, which is not in their best interest, but ADALT.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (3 children)

why would you care if she did? Just means you didn't do your job well enough as a man.

I dont like that way of thinking, because it takes two for a dance - I can be going to the gym every day, working on my business, my passions, but then a chad decides to take a liking to my girl and BOOM it's over dude.

It may not be permanent, but it'll happen.

The all-girls vacation to Cancun filled with foreign fucking is not my fault.

I cant really be mad at him for it, but I cant blame myself for her leaving either, says more about her than me.

All I can do is what you said, be the highest tree in her forest. But if jack plants a bean sprout, I cant really do much for that.

And that's okay!

Also, in your scenario, the 1st is more likely to suck you off, but there always a more successful, bigger, more alpha guy.

It only takes one time. One fight, she goes to the bar, you're there... That's why I say it can't be the man's failure - it only takes one time for it to happen, typically. Girls who like you will give more of a chance.

why would you care if she did?

No one should, but not because I failed as a man, but because it's her nature as a woman.

Even girls who are "outside the meat" of the bell curve are not immune to hypergamy - the only difference is they will alert you to their faltering fidelity, subtle signs they give to let you know to step up your game.

Release that post soon - I agree you can REDUCE Awalt, but you cannot completely negate it.

Serious question: Have you ever fucked a Chad's girl?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I typically don't interview the husband before fucking the wife, so I can't answer that question.

But it stands to reason that if she's fucking me, there's something she's NOT getting at home, so I assume I am Chaddier in some way. Or she's a poor choice in wife material, which falls back into husband's lap.

chad decides to take a liking to my girl and BOOM it's over dude

Your fault for marrying a stupid unworthy woman... good thing now you know.

all-girls vacation to Cancun

You haven't set appropriate boundaries?

if jack plants a bean sprout

WTF is Jack doing in your forest?

One fight, she goes to the bar

Your woman should know better than to fight with you... you'll be the one at the bar. Dread.

Look, I agree that there is always that chance that despite whatever you do, AWALT.

But if you've done all you can to be the top gorilla, why obsess or worry over the one thing that is truly out of your control?

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 1 point2 points  (1 child)

touche` dude

But if you've done all you can to be the top gorilla, why obsess or worry over the one thing that is truly out of your control?

I agree with that!

Thats the thing - you SHOULDNT obsess or worry about it.

In fact, i just posted a whole theory thread telling guys it's ok, if its gonna happen it'll happen and it aint nothing they can do about it so dont waste time or energy on it.

I just dont like all the blame being put on the man is all

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is a good habit to get into the habit of assuming everything in your life is your fault, either because you've allowed it, you haven't done anything to change it, or haven't taken responsibility for it.

When you look at it that way, you come to the realization that you GET to determine the vast majority of what happens in your own life. It's a good thing it's your fault, because then you get to fix it.

There is a subset of shit you can't change, but here's a great comic that explains how you can even influence that...