Red Pill TheoryYour Competition Online: 100 to 1, Offline: 3 to 1. (self.TheRedPill)

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Also keeping your interaction as offline as possible reduces the chance of false allegation based on perceived social status and her capitalizing off of it.

TL;DR - Recommendation/Bottom Line: Be more offline and hook up outside of your home area.

*Update - I forgot to mention that especially since these online dating app companies have been sold to the highest bidder and now are mostly owned by a company named IAC whose HQ I believe is in NYC and go figure they are hiring for Marketing lately - LOL - They have absolutely every incentive of keeping delusional guys on the platform using fake profiles and bots. Most of these people are hired from Philippines and Indonesia and spend all day catfishing FB accounts from girls who don't even know they are on Tinder. This SHOULD be illegal but maybe there is a workaround they found and these Women somehow legally consented to IAC using their photos via some kind of FB plug-in and/or app (nobody reads those agreements they just hit the checkbox). That girl you are swiping on either hasn't used the app since 2013 or behind the profile is Rolando from Luzon, Philippines. That's why you're not hearing back. And if you do hear back he will suggest a cam website to visit :) *

Here's why:

In my observation with the continuous proliferation of technology. Your competition for a girl in a regular situation (NOT the club or bar or gym) let's say a grocery store, park bench or in a networking group of some kind is much lower than it used to be. I understand this post topic may have been made a while back but there has been some further rapid change in the marketplace necessitating this point to be re-iterated.

This is also in-part exacerbated and made worse by the recent sexual harassment allegations. So many guys want to start online to get some sort of documentation on record. (The reality is you can get a burner phone and get texts and calls after the fact which would be more influential in court than conversation beforehand in my opinion.) But the fact remains is that online is less effective now and it's getting increasingly harder to communicate social proof online. At the same time most importantly it provides social proof as a motive to take down a popular Man with a false allegation so they themselves can be more popular and get more attention (even if temporary).

Women will be more scrutinizing and looking out for catfish. They will be looking for validation points which could end up getting you into more trouble since you have to reveal more information about yourself to get her feeling comfortable and secure to meet you offline. They could use this information to frame you without even meeting you in person theoretically. See the State of Michigan where at times the Father's legal name and last known address suffices to establish "Paternity"

When you approach offline you can use more non-verbal communication and avoid providing unnecessary details about your life. She will judge based on instinct instead of looking at facts on a computer or mobile screen which aren't as "sexy". You can keep it just between you two and avoid showing her details about who you know, what precise area you live in (before it's time to smash) and where you work etc. Best case scenario you do it in a Best Western, both enjoy and have fun and go back to the regular lives uninterrupted. That's of course the best case scenario which rarely happens these days. Whatever happened to the simple days of consensual activity between a random Man and a random Woman in a Midtown hotel? Discrete and uncomplicated, they both went back to their business having fulfilled their primitive desire and no one else ever the wiser. End of story! (I know it was never like this but you get the point)

Women are always looking for some sort of power or bargaining in exchange for sex despite Feminist pleas to the contrary so the only "low cost" sex available is via prostitution where no personal information usually need be provided. (The lowest social risk being outside of the U.S. where it's decriminalized or legal.)

I highly doubt most guys are going through the effort to game in a different city and make bogus social media profiles in another location and adding facebook only friends to pad the "identity". I have done experiments in the past where I've used a cousin's pictures (he's living in another country) and we look similar. With his permission I've spoofed his information in the state he resides in. It is very difficult even with that closeness and authenticity to get over on many Women because they are very leery online these days. They ask very pointed and directed questions not with the intention of guaranteeing safety (have offered to meet up at a very public place) but rather GAUGING your social status and the accuracy thereof. ("What neighborhood did you live in? Who do you know at _? Do you know _? Did you used to go _____?", This line of questioning isn't really natural for just a hookup)

So in all likelihood you're connecting to Tinder with your main profile which allows them to snoop and get unnecessary information on you without directly asking probing questions. Nevertheless, under the guise of safety many Women will lock down who can approach them based on those they vetted and have gotten the appropriate (potential blackmail) information on. Remember, even if a Judge and Jury rule you innocent from a legal perspective, the community won't rule you innocent from a social perspective.

These days from a social perspective it becomes perplexing on how you can hook up providing just enough "social proof" to win her over and not enough to give her ammunition to launch a false allegation the moment you hit her G-spot the wrong way by accident. Remember most of these guys in the media HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED IN COURT OF LAW....Yet they are guilty in the social sense which has almost equivalent ramifications. We don't want to be over-paranoid but I question the quality and types of Women the lot of you are attracted to. Judging from the intel and reports on here they tend to be more on the BPD side of the spectrum and sadly yes it is quite possible (based on your reports) they tend to have better pussy.

So this advice is for guys who find themselves for whatever reason constantly running into crazy girls. The less unnecessary information (including your legal name) they have (or can easily reference) the better. Having social proof is a double edged sword it can work in your favor to get her into bed but it can work against you to serve as a tool to destroy you.

She is far less likely to let the hamster spin in a moment of weakness and play a standard roulette game and have the ball convienently end up on your number, if she knows that nothing may come of her artificially contrived false allegation because you don't have deep connections in the community, in common with her or who would care if she accused you of something. They would say oh that's so terrible, and honestly including the Women (actually, ESPECIALLY her female compatriots) they will quickly move on. And if you don't even live in the town there is no social negative impact for you. No one is going to care that some chick you banged in Nebraska says you raped her (when you DID NOT) and a court of law found you innocent and you are currently living in NYC But if she knows your facebook identity from the start that could give her more or less motive to go through with the false allegation or not. If you don't have enough social proof it hurts your chances of getting laid, if you don't have enough social proof it reduces her likelihood of targeting you with a false allegation too. However, it diminishes her perceived ROI on the interaction. So as a result, online really isn't a net gain these days for the established Male.

The downside of being Chad Thundercock on campus now is you have a big bullseye on your forehead and can be seen just as a nice big target to take down. After all if Ronda launches a false allegation against Billy the Nerd or Zack the Mysterious Man from out of town with no social media presence (you in this example) not as many people are going to notice or care. So the upside isn't as high and you become less of a target when her ovaries change temperature suddenly and decide to make up some shit.

Any opinions on this viewpoint would be appreciated. But I think it could help some guys stay safe and think strategic but not paranoid.

[–]2Dmva100 204 points205 points  (45 children)

Offline is like real life tinder, except you don't have 100 other guys talking to your target at the same time, and you avoid catfishing by fat slags who use instagram filters.

Much better and you can gauge where you stand with her and escalate far easier.

I would like to say that chicks that aren't on tinder don't have a n-count of 50+, but I'd just be giving myself a blue pill depository if I believed that.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 82 points83 points  (18 children)

I know chicks in college and high school who slept with plenty of dudes in college, without meeting them on tinder. They were in a sorority/sports team and slept with a bunch of guys they meet through Greek Life/sports (fraternities & sororities) or other venues. This was before the days of Tinder, which according to wikipedia was initially released in September 2012.

In fact, I think Tinder made it harder for your standard guy to get laid. Some people think Tinder would have made it easier, but it's the opposite. Yes, approaching women in person is better, but in the back of her head, she knows that she can literally swipe right and a "good looking" guy is available for her.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 31 points32 points  (4 children)

There are still plenty of girls who are pretty open to sexual relationships but have never been on tinder.

[–]inhiarashi 1 points1 points [recovered]

Most of the incredibly good looking women avoid tinder IMO. They see it as a waste of time, just like facebook and other media that puts them in the line of fire from so many unnecessary irritating male attendees

[–]EPArt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldnt say most bitches love validation and its a easier promotions to their instaho model pages. And a couple extra 100's of likes is nice for them remeber these irritating males are also the ones buying them gifts and sending them money.

[–]washington_breadstix 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's a waste of time for them because all it does is confirm what they already know: they're pretty. They already have Chads hitting on them in real life.

[–]maniclurker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I am getting used to actually being sexually successful with women, so it still surprises me when that hottie I would have bet on being "taken" is totally down to fuck in a public bathroom.

[–]2Dmva100 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Sorority membership or even association with such women is a top-tier red flag that automatically warrants plate status.

[–]DontDoH 2 points2 points [recovered]

Ding ding ding. It made life eaiser if you are good looking.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 9 points10 points  (4 children)

True and even for good/decent looking guys who stay in shape, it gets harder in the sense that they have to shoot below their SMV because of the crowded field. I have used tinder in the past and even if you got her attracted, you HAVE to strike while the iron is hot. It's imperative that you do, or she will find someone else.

It's WAY easier for the true Chads that won at life (Winklevoss Twins, Adam Levine, etc.) Could you imagine being a dude that either looks like one of them, has their status or both? Getting pussy would be as easy as ordering something off Amazon.

At this point, dudes should be focused on improving themselves in their health, career and social life while in their 20s. Don't be too focused on women to the point where you are trying to lock one down. Still approach if you find an attractive woman who is showing interest, but don't center your life around it

[–]DontDoH 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree with everything you say. I ain't trying to humble brag but IRL I am able to pull 9s and dimes online I can pill 6s and 7s. I only go on tinder when super horny and I have to have it now

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with what you say. I don’t have the best game, but I have gotten looks from some good looking women in real life. I have been called handsome by a number of them.

Yet online, it’s WAY tougher. Because no matter how good our profile is and your message are, she gets hundreds of messages. Even if you are the best guy, she has to go through so many to find you. I deleted my online accounts after much frustration of things not going anywhere. Might start it up to pump and dump some chicks, though.

[–]EM6666 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So do girls. For them it's like ordering a pizza. A dick pizza.

[–]september_cutter 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Meh but yeah there are many women who aren't on Tinder or would be 'embarrassed' to be seen on Tinder for some reason.

Some think it's not as 'magical' as meeting a guy in person and there still is a bit of a stigma to meeting online. Yes it's common, but nevertheless.

Some ex I met up with to fuck was talking about how she recently met her latest beau 'online' like it was something to be ashamed about. Again, I don't give a fuck, but apparently among women it's still a thing.

Men don't care where they get pussy as long as they get it, so obviously us men might believe the online 'stigma' is gone but it really isn't.

Also many hot women get easy dick in day to day life or at the bar, the idea of "needing" to go online and create a profile seems alien to them. Nonsensical, even. Like they think its for desperate women. Others are scared off as most of the 'stock' are gross, uncalibrated jackoffs sending dick pics. Obviously that's not all women's experience, but ya know.

But yeah the point stands. Competition is far lower in person. Every man child has "balls" online behind a screen. In person, 90% of guys are scared out of their wits of even semi-public rejection. Bah.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's a very good explanation and maybe what I said isn't 100% correct. I do agree that the competition is much harsher online, than in person. I have definitely gotten more attention from women in person than online.

I just think OVERALL, the game has gotten harder for a number of reasons and it seems to be a coincidence that online dating is becoming more mainstream. Same with social media which is another form of validation addiction for women

[–]september_cutter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree with that. I think standards for sex for both genders have gone up, thanks to TV and social media and advertising telling everyone they're super duper special and deserve the best.

Everyone's holding out for the next best thing that's slightly out of their league.

Okay it's not exactly that, but it plays a part.

[–]MarcusAurelius78 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Maybe you didn’t meet Rule 1 aka attraction. Tinder was easy as fuck for me, by the time I uninstalled it I had 1000+ matches. Now hit me with that downvote bro!

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have actually had a decent amount of success on Tinder, but had to go through tons of flakes

[–]1dongpal 9 points10 points  (2 children)

the best thing: they are forced to react, now

writing to many women and none or late responding was driving me nuts

[–]washington_breadstix 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's a good point. In real life, they have to give you a chance to run some sort of game because categorically ignoring you will make her look socially retarded.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which is why I cringe every time I hear a guy doing it at the gym or the library.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (20 children)

I know gals in their late 20’s and early 30’s with n-counts over 100 who act like they’re looking for a husband and nobody but a red-pill would suspect otherwise. I’m telling you n-counts above 100 are going to become normal.

App dating is ruining everything about the human mating game. I don’t want to be the 100th guy digging up in some chick’s guts.

[–]sd4c 25 points26 points  (3 children)

For 99.9% of human history and pre-history, a woman who willingly had more than one or two partners (counting dead ex-husbands), was doomed to obscurity. Men would go to the grave single, rather than soil their loins with such a harlot.

Ancient peoples were NOT stupid. There are good reasons for many of their rituals, and rules, and the more you learn about them, the clearer it becomes that you can't always tell which are wise and which are arbitrary, trivial, or exaggerated.

As it stands in 2017, marrying a woman with just THREE former partners, puts your divorce rate, at 70%. SEVENTY. Talk to some guys who have been divorced. There's more dignity, and less pain, in most street muggings.

Our ancestors didn't need regression analysis of localized trends to arrive at this wisdom. They knew because they paid attention to and respected their parents and grandparents... and just in case you didn't get the verbal memo, they wrote it down in a few different holy books: don't date loose women.

But you can be sure, the 265-lb NASA aerospace engineer going through his third divorce while combatting a ferocious STD, considers himself so much "smarter", and more "advanced".

[–]ZeroToAHundred 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Any good books/reading you could recommend to get this ancestral wisdom?

[–]sd4c 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Book of Proverbs from the Bible, the Ars Amatoria by Ovid, and Epictetus' Enchiridion are all great places to start.

[–]Bandos15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldnt women in prehistoric times fuck all the males for resources + the alpha for tingles?

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 21 points22 points  (10 children)

Even guys who I would consider "beta" aren't into the idea of dating a chick who they know is a slut. Problem is, even the innocent looking chicks can be slutty and many guys wouldn't know.

Women know having a high n-count is bad, which is why they lie about it or say "it doesn't matter because that was the past." Think Rollo's "Saving the Best" article, which is pretty eye opening.

[–]cBIGONE 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I just assume everyone is slutty nowadays! I agree with you

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s the unfortunate truth, but it’s SO easy for women to sleep around, it’s not even funny. Heck, women can get paid to sleep around. That’s how easy it is for them.

[–]Shaney96 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Yet betas will still date those chicks who have an incredibly high n-count.

Women who've been on the CC for a decade or so always seem to end up settling for a beta-provider, and it's then common for that provider to be cheated and wonder "I did everything for her, and she repays me with this?!".

[–]red_matrix 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Any girl riding the CC for a decade is easily n-count 100+

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Honestly. When you really think about it, it’s not hard for a woman to sleep with 100+. If you take a look at the college atmosphere, a woman can easily go home with a different guy every single weekend if they wanted to. Sometimes, they might decide to do two in one weekend.

I knew a chick who slept with three dudes in one week on Spring Break. That’s just in one week. Heck, I’m 26 years old and my n-count is at 21, yet I have made out with hundreds of different women. If I had better game/not getting cockblocked and went home with a quarter of them, my n count would easily be in the 50s. I’m a guy, so by default it’s a lot harder for means can only imagine how much easier women have it.

[–]1Entropy-7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

a woman can easily go home with a different guy every single weekend if they wanted to.

The vast majority don't. Uber-slutty girls draw attention to themselves like plane crashes and shark attacks: they just seem to be more common than they really are.

A 100 n-count by 30 is something like one new guy every 2 months. A 100 n-count in college is one every two weeks.

It is certainly possible for any decent looking girl to pick up a new guy that often but most don't. They will latch onto a guy for a semester, or a full school year, or maybe for her entire run of college.

[–]Shaney96 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a friend of a friend who (apparently) slept with 5 guys in one night - she literally went from lad to lad over the course of the evening, getting fucked.

I mean, how in the fuck..

And the next day she'll go out and people will probably just see her as a normal girl.

[–]red_matrix 2 points3 points  (2 children)

And there is an army of 30+ post-wall women ready for marriage. I just wonder what a 100+ n-count does to a woman? How could you trust someone like that?

[–]WalterEArmstrong 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There's no way such a woman can form an emotional bond with a man.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Data from 10 years ago says that n=15+ was about 1-in-8 for late-20s women. Things would have to have changed drastically for n=100+ to be more than a small fraction - single digit percentages - of women overall or those in their 30s.

[–]wtfawdNoWeddingShoes 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A decade ago? What has changed... social media? Tinder? Feminist empowerment?

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep. Social media and tinder have made it much easier for a woman to sleep with multiple dudes and she can be as picky as she wants. She can literally be sitting in her pajamas, swipe right and have a dude come over to bang her. Tons of validation for her.

The feminists movement that makes women think that sleeping around is "empowering" has had a huge impact.

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Social media has been around more than a decade and feminism for several decades. Tinder did not single-handedly change the majority of women into sluts.

[–]wtfawdNoWeddingShoes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Social media in its current form has not been around for a decade, and I didn't try to attribute anything to a single cause, I merely listed what immediately occurs to me as changes that have occurred in the past 10 year that may have an effect.

[–]disposable_pants 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Offline is like real life tinder, except you don't have 100 other guys talking to your target at the same time

Ever been to a crowded bar? There's tons of competition in many places offline, too.

[–]OceanPoultry 48 points49 points  (2 children)

I do so much better in real life. Im not even ugly. Im good looking. Tinder is like talking to a brick wall, assuming i get matched with a hot chick. I think i need to give up tinder it is so demoralizing and i kno my value in real life is a lot higher than on tinder, where i might as well be fat and ugly

[–]dum_dum_boy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

100% my man. I do way better with women in real life too, quit that Tinder shit.

[–]wtfawdNoWeddingShoes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fuck social media. All it's good for is digital social proof for men and providing validation and an ego boost for women. You don't need it.

[–]OSaraiva 19 points20 points  (6 children)

More than half the fun of interacting with women is teasing, body language, using your eyes, getting her out of her balance, or even kissing, hugging, whatever, every single thing you can't do online.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Nobody goes online with the intention of having an online relationship. You can connect with someone online, display your wit or whatever through words, and then you meet up. You have already greased the wheels.

What I have found is that if, for whatever reason, you don't immediately meet them after connecting online but rather chit chat over the space of a few weeks, odds are surprising high for a first date lay.

[–]OSaraiva 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If that works for you great, but in my experience chit chating with someone i've never met before turns old and boring quickly, or else you escalate and meet while the fire is still hot risking that it burns out. Then you can rekindle it most of the time, but for me that involves my hands freely exploring her body.

Looking at my phone for a lot of written talk isn't much fun to me anyways.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is volleyball: bump, set and spike.

Online, sometimes I can bump, and sometimes I can set... then you meet and ypu spike.

[–]1Entropy-7 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know if is difference in personality or skill sets.

[–]metallicdrama 27 points28 points  (11 children)

I’ve been telling my friends that Friday nights at the grocery store is a primo pool. It’s 80% single women then. Also, yoga classes. Mostly women.

[–]dum_dum_boy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You nailed it. I would even possibly extend it to...if you ever run into a girl in public, alone, on a Friday/Saturday night...they are in search of dick or at least open to it

[–]metallicdrama 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. Women are always open to it if they’re wanting it. It’s not like they suddenly go dead down there because they’re running an errand or are at work. Getting them in the wild anywhere but a bar/Club is the best. Their defenses aren’t up. There’s little to no competition. You’re invading right under the radar.

[–]1Entropy-7 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Friday nights at the grocery store is a primo pool

You have a point but why does it strike me as a bit creepy to run that game intentionally?

[–]metallicdrama 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Because you’re the creep that doesn’t need groceries

[–]d0lphinsex 9 points10 points  (1 child)

All guys are creeps except the hot ones.

Day Bang by Roosh.pdf

[–]metallicdrama -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This. You’re creeping unless they want to bang you back.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, the importance of timing in the grocery store and the laundromat is critical.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Real life pickups are like free weights instead of pulleys at the gym. Or using your own body weight. Or running outside instead of a treadmill. Way more effective and direct. The thing that turns them on is seeing you over-come the fear of asking them out. I've done this a few times in my life, a cold pick up, and even though things didn't last, it was a wild ride. Intense. They need that danger, excitement, rush.

Online pickups are too safe, sterile, anti-septic, controlled...blue pill-esque.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They need that danger, excitement, rush.

They? I need that rush. It makes me feel alive.

[–]3nebder 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Here’s my favorite anecdote from online dating.

My local online market is small. If I log in to POF every day, I get just about the same gals in different order. I see a cute local gal on POF, send my standard open. Got nothing in return.

About a week or so later, I see her at the end of the bar when I walk in. I get the appraising look from her. Look back till she breaks and head on over to grab a stool. Recognized her, meh not worth it, rather just watch the game.

Later that week run into the same gal at a different venue on a Friday. I’m shooting pool and get the complete eye fuck twice when she’s going to the bathroom. Still not all that interested. She played her profile well and was easily 1-2 points higher there vs in person where I’m easily 1-2 points higher in person compared to a profile.

I was rejected online. I rejected her in person. I would have been disappointed had I gotten a meet from online.

It’s harder for a man to indicate his presence on a profile. It’s easier for a woman to selectively upgrade her presence on a profile. It’s stacked against men. I’m built enough to be top 10% in person yet it doesn’t photograph well.

Back to the small market, I enjoy seeing the differences between a POF/match account vs an OKC account. OKC are my peeps, they’re not afraid to let their freak flags fly.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was EXACTLY my experience. And relates to others on the sub as well. Wish the other guys could get it but I suppose you have to "see it to believe it".

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (7 children)

Also use a fake name and social media for all online and offline transactions. Use a burner phone or burner app for texting. I never let bitches know who the fuck I am. That shit is crazy.

Call me crazy for being a total liar to these hoes but it’s better than explaining to my cellie how I’m not a rapist.

[–]Torabor64 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Using a fake name is precisely the kind of weird shit that will make you look like a rapist or whatever she makes up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The point is that she cannot ever find you if you get a whiff of crazy and bug out.

[–]Kushbushh 1 points1 points [recovered]

Fucking weird man. That's some serial killer, stalker shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plates have a habit of wanting more, getting mad and feeling guilty and reaching out to my wife to hamster and what not. It’s getting old. I had to stop for a while and institute a new OPSEC policy with plates. So far so good

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or, you know, don't have social media. It loses all benefit to you once you're out of college. Communication tools like Snapchat and Messenger, fine if you must I guess. Facebook and Instagram permanently leave things about you open to the public. And the ball is in a woman's court there anyway; how many guys get half the attention the average woman does online?

[–]gELSK -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

// , I have begun to do this. However, I let the women know as soon as possible once we've met.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I don't disagree with you. At. All.

However, the problem with this strategy is you have to keep your lies straight which, to me, is more trouble than it's worth.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lying takes work. Keeping your mouth shut is easier than club sluts

[–]OrphanedVigilante 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, although a fake last name should be sufficient.

[–]Taco_Truck_Aficionad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why you assume an alias. You should have several alternative identities with solid stories you can keep track of. That's what makes it easy to keep track of the lies. If you've been this alternative person for so long, you won't forget anything. Also, just shut up and don't volunteer any information.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, but unfortunately whether online or offline it seems unless you find creative ways to mask identity you are putting yourself at risk depending on the types of Women you are going after.

[–]1Entropy-7 2 points3 points  (7 children)

It's a matter of personal style. I have always had good results online but nothing much with day game, and I can't be bothered to night game.

IRL you are physically limited by the number of women you see first hand.

Online you can anything you want: young chicks, big tits, pain sluts, professionals or whatever.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

That is great and all but the general body politic has voted and it seems most are aligned that online doesn't work for them.

For the proud and few marines for whom it does work my hats off to you, but the rest of us we'll be in the field under the sun pulling daisies the old fashioned way.

[–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I think the body politic needs a healthy dose of Black Dragon. His whole thing is:

  1. Older guys (generally 30 to 50)

  2. Gaming younger girls (generally early 20s)

  3. Exclusively online.

He has a lot of good stuff for free (although he has various books available for purchase) on crafting profiles, posting pics, sending openers, and such. Plus there is a boat load of other info on dating and relationships in general.

There is no reason why a guy of at least average looks, intelligence and literacy can't meet girls online. If you are in a smaller urban centre or a rural setting, then you have to cast your net wider, but then again IRL what are going to do, meet a chick at the Friday night square dance?

Note: when I say "online", I don't mean Tinder and the like but rather more conventional platforms such as OKC, POF, Lavalife, Match.com etc.

[–]greenlittleman 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Have you ever heard about cold approach? You can meet tens of women in one hour.

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

"Meet" doesn't mean anything in and of itself. It's just like online where "response rates" are meaningless.

Occasionally on the internet I’ll see guys who brag about “70% response rates” or even higher. However when you ask them how many of these women they’re actually putting their cocks into, you get dead silence.


[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Obviously. But to have proper meeting with woman you'd need about 10 of cold approaches. And about 100 of messages online. Real life approaches are more time effective AND they build you skills you need to have to get laid with woman at time of actual date / instant date. Guy who have good cold approach skill and experience with "instant dates" can go to field and 2 hours later he will already fuck new woman. This result is just intermediary level of PU. And online you'd need to be higher value than the girl, it means most of girls you'll meet would be not so hot, as women you can fuck offline.

I've read some articles of BD and I'm disagree with him on some moments. For example his 2% rule is BS if you think about it rationally.

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The quality that you are going after matters. You will get higher quality girls online if you send openers to higher quality girls; you will "meet" higher quality girls IRL if you cold approach higher quality girls.

Granted, you need a different skill set to game women in person, but setting up a meet online can grease the wheels and make it a lot easier to get them in the sack on that first meet.

There was no "2% Rule", he just had a weird experience in that he tried to target a group he thought would give him a higher response rate, but in fact it went way down. However, his conversion rate went up.

[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Highest quality girls don't use online at all. They don't have necessity to feel themselves popular on Tinder or similar services.

About 2% rule I've talked about this post. I find this position very irrational and low level.


BTW main difference between online and IRL imho is - online you need to have much better looks to get laid with less good looking girls and IRL your looks doesn't matter so much and you can get laid with better looking girls. That is it. If by chance there was high quality girl on Tinder, then your probability actually meet her in person almost non-existent unless your looks are in top 5% better looking guys. And IRL even ugly fatty can bang such girl if he has great communication skills, social proof and overall seduction skill. For beginner there isn't really difference, because he can't get best girls yet (other than by luck). But IRL he will develop right skill set faster. And for online he would need at least 1-2 years of gym to have good conversion rate, or pretty face from good genetic.

[–]TheLaughingRhino 1 points1 points [recovered]

The most "efficient" thing I've seen for a non Chad/non celebrity guy to do to skew the numbers in his favor is to dance.

If you just don't enjoy it, then there is no point.

BUT, if you actually are one of the less common guys who enjoy it AND you have some facility for it, it's really like firing a shotgun into a duck barrel.

Kino. Social proof. Access to women you might not meet otherwise. Endorphin release. Something in common with the person. Showing your appeal to women you aren't even dancing with ( they are watching, trust me, they are watching)

The only thing I saw that was more effective in spurts was being a professional photographer ( i.e. you do headshots in Hollywood, or you shoot photos for like swimsuit calendars)

Play to your strengths, put the numbers in your favor.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dancing runs too much of a risk of being perceived as fruity, having an open butthole and being gay unfortunately in certain regions. Also depends on age. If I danced now at this age I would most certainly get weird looks unless it was a rave party or something and most are on some type of drug.

I used to dance merengue and salsa pretty well when I was younger, it actually had the reverse effect and Latinas became intimidated. It worked for White women though. But after age 25 or so the novelty seems to wear off at least in NYC.

[–]september_cutter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean actual dance classes, or at clubs? Sounds like you mean the former.

As a guy who used to do stage theatre as well as frequented gay bars (first with gay friends, then solo b/c the easy straight women in there) ... I have absolutely no problem doing whatever ridiculous shit so long as I can shoot fish in a barrel. I believe the concept is related to the idea of arbitrage. I'm the same guy but my SMV is much higher in some places than others. Why make life difficult.

[–]kankouillotte 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This post decided my to finally delete my tinder account. I've been using it for about a year now, got me laid 1st night with 1st match, and NOTHING since, not even a meet. What a fucking waste of time

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good, hit the pavement and get better quality and waste less time IRL.

[–]omega_fat 9 points10 points  (34 children)

Your visibility online: 10000 a day. Your visibility live: 20 a day at best. I'll take online odds, thank you very much. (Speaking from experience, online is an absolute goldmine if you know what you're doing. And my facial aestetics are 5/10

[–]laviksa 26 points27 points  (28 children)

Please share your insights, if your 5/10 self assessment is close to the thruth that is.

[–]omega_fat 33 points34 points  (27 children)

Show off your muscles, obviously. 40yo and balding, cropped and bearded. I take self prescribed TRT with some extra now and then. Look like a badass while actually been in the past the guy from South Park - Make love, not Warcraft, only been lifting for 2.5 years (thanks TRP!)  

So yeah, shirtless pics, pics in very tight small shorts to show off legs. Very very direct when talking, want to be rejected, or accepted in seconds. First a coffee near their place, second time invite myself with a bottle of wine and offer to help cooking.  

TLDR - eat clen, tren hard, cut the timewasters, cook for them then eat them.  


[–]dum_dum_boy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My name is Patrick Bateman. I'm 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (19 children)

45 y/o top 20% attractiveness (for my age....well according to photofeeler, relative to 30 y/o dudes too)....lifting only a year, but absolutely no slouch (smoked a fit 30 y/o dude up a snowy mountain, am a grappler).

With that set up, what's your age range game? Why over to their place? Logistics bad on your side? What sort of cooking? I think I'd go nuts in most women's kitchens. Any difference in meet to lay times between various ages of women?

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (9 children)

LOL I can’t cook in a plate’s kitchen, these chicks cannot cook and don’t know how to eat. I’ll be frying meat on a baking sheet used for frozen pizzas, using my t-shirt as oven mitts, sautéing veggies in a tiny pot used for ramen.

When I lived alone my kitchen looked like a fucking Williams Sonoma and I ate like a king. God that kitchen got me so much pussy.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (8 children)

God that kitchen got me so much pussy.

Yeah man, my logistics are dialed the fuck in....all this shit about lying, using burner phones, etc.....fuck that, I have an awesome pad....on my profile I say I'm discrete and prudent, both true.

don’t know how to eat

Sometimes literally. I make chicken confit, whole thighs, baked in the oven for hours at 225, then finished by being fried (the skin is delicious, meat is succulent) and served with a pan sauce...had a girl over recently and it's like honey, you can't eat this daintily, use your fingers!

[–]dzkkne 5 points6 points  (3 children)


You are my inspiration. I'm a young professional, working in finance. Laying girls isn't a problem really, the goal is to make it as effortless as possible. Own bachelor pad and easy logistics is the ultimate goal - working towards it. Really happy for you, glad you enjoying your life.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Frame control, bro.

The women under 30 know I'm over 40, and the women over 30 take note of 2 seater hatchback. My Frame screams no kids, no Providing anything but dinner and orgasms...since you're young, you don't have the built in stuff. I think Blackdragon's system is better and at least more comprehensive than "How to Manage Your Bitches"....google "Blackdragon getting started in non-mongamy" if Frame control is a problem for you (it was for me for years).


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Have a security camera in every room that records the entire time she is in your apartment WITH FUCKING SOUND. I took quite a few risks because that kind of tech was very expensive back in my day. These day's it's very inexpensive.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just know the laws in your state about vid/audio recording. Some states require consent and you may be able to get around that with a sign saying "Video and audio recording on these premises for security purposes">

[–]agrarianabyss -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You're an inspiration! I'm trying to get a pad that's all dialed in like this but unfortunately at this point it's not on that level - some day.

Any advice on working on house logistics starting from a bachelor pad with one of my buddies? Obviously having your own place is a huge bonus, I just can't afford that at the moment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Too many variables to list....best bet is to have a like minded roommate, or at least one who will not undermine you (i.e. if he's a jealous bitch whining about his oneitis in an LDR, that's bad). Given that, if you're looking to get 2 to 3 plates in the air (good advice for almost any man these days), a deal where either you or your roommate makes himself scarce for the first couple times you're first with a new girl would be helpful, but not prolly needed. Really, as long as you're young and he's not undermining you, it's no big deal having a roommate, but you'll want a hook to invite her to your bedroom (preferably not superhero posters, unless it's Gal Gadot.....I crack myself up!)

[–]agrarianabyss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gal Gadot made me lol...

Yeah I'm not worried about him undermining me at all. He knows I ideally want to have a few plates (I don't use yours terminology) and respects that just as I respect the fact that he wants one LTR. I'm relatively young, yeah, and am working on having my room and house in general be more of a place that I'm trying to bring girls to. Thanks

[–]omega_fat 6 points7 points  (8 children)

They don't know where I live. Sticking my dick in crazy is better this way round. Only few regular ones know my address. Meet to lay times - from 20 minutes to 3 days. Ages 20 to late 40's Weighted heavily on 20's side but if she's really fit 40s is fine. Steak and chips - really easy and everyone likes it. They help me out by peeling the potatoes lol.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Nice. Thanks for your response, all good stuff all the way around.

I've been too lazy on Tinder....made my age 26 on Facebook, hide it on Tinder, still get daily likes without even trying....new year's resolution is min. of 2 new lays per month, then back off in June with a rotation of 3 to 5 girls.

Funny how we're being downvoted, I guess we're invading the incels here.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Curious to know what area you are in. With the ease it sounds like Colorado or another Flyover state (no offense).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

None taken, you nailed it. I mean, my handle is a bit of a hint.

I wonder how I'd do elsewhere. I think there are some places with stiff competition, while others.....man, I'm in pretty good shape.

I had a buddy in Florida send me a Facebook link from one of his buddies, travelling through Colorado...the guy said "Watch your bae around here, hippy hunks everywhere!"

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I cleaned up with Denver Women so easily in Costa Rica it wasn't even funny. They literally bent over and spread their ass cheeks. I am from NYC so obviously this is night and day. I want to make a post on this because I feel the difference is too startling not to account for in general RP theory.

It's not a matter of being better at game from living in NYC ("You can make it here you can make it anywhere" which is bullshit)

It is a matter of literally you have more athletically fit, independent thinking Women in the state of Colorado, point blank period. The same goes for some other states in the Midlands. Further up north in the Midwest it can be a different story. I've had a lot of success with Minneapolis Women as well. They are about 10x more reasonable (at least 10 years ago when I was there) than an NYC Woman whom is for the large part insufferable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in Costa Rica

An important point.

It's not a matter of being better at game from living in NYC

Doubtless you are!

you have more athletically fit, independent thinking Women in the state of Colorado, point blank period.

I love this fucking place.

One other thing....when I am elsewhere, I say "I'm from Denver" and it sells like a motherfucker, if I'm in Tampa or Kuwait.

[–]candid_account -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I'm not having much luck in Boston :(

[–]DontDoH 1 points1 points [recovered]

I am 30 and all I wanna do is roid now

[–]I_lift_things_up_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You missed the boat brother. The days of easy gear is gone SST was banned. They were too good for this world, gave us mere mortals fire for which they we're punished . RIP SST

[–]gELSK 0 points1 point  (1 child)

// , I'm starting to consider it seriously, as well.

Jury's still out, though.

[–]ItsYough123 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Online is terrible compared to real life. The reason we have so many guys complaining is because they rely on the internet to get them women instead of their social circle, friends of friends and the bar/club for randoms. They see ugly girls rejecting them online (simply because they can when they have really sexy guys desperate to bust a nut in them, we'd do the same if online worked that way for us) and think that women in real life are that picky.

Online you're just a number of the many hundred in her inbox. In real life you're making her feel and you're actually real. In real life you can show off all your confidence and what makes you a man. Online you're submitting to the woman trying to make her laugh to stand out or playing pointless texting games to relieve her boredom while she's taking a shit on the toilet. If you're confident in real life you'll make her want to fuck you over the many hundreds of guys online over who she has no real connection with. Obviously you can't look like a complete troll though, looks still take priority.

Having said that of course use online to get women as well. Lower your standards though and only use it when you really need to unload. Get a date set up asap. Don't be her entertainer. Of course you won't get as many conversations going but you will have sex with the ones that actually want to play ball.

[–]TheOneWhoDidntCum 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Online is crap if you are not top 10% in looks. I mean what else you got going on there for you , your wits? 3 lines of description and 2 face pics won't cut it unless you look like this famous inmate https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3729731.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Jeremy-Meeks.jpg

[–]ItsYough123 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Even if you are top 10 percent, the women they'll get online will generally be of a lower quality than those they could pull in real life, so even them guys are getting shafted.

As said, use online if you want to empty your balls in some random who's lower than you. That's the right way to use it IMO.

[–]thatmanlyreview 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A guy I went to high school with is bald, fat, not ugly but would look slightly above average without the double chin but, he’s dating a smoking hot girl, dumb, but hot. High school sweethearts. In real life you have a better chance of getting the higher quality girl, but make sure your shit is together.

I was walking to class one day and saw a light skin buff black guy, tall, with amazing hair, in an argument with his girlfriend. Even the best fall down.

If you approach girls in person then you are in the top percentile of men because most men use tinder/alcohol.

[–]letsbambamamba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would be astonished if you managed to get 1.000 views to your profile online (and lets say that is combined of tinder, okc and POF). Let alone 10.000 :D

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (31 children)

Regarding prostitution, if you partake, you will always run the risk of having it used as blackmail fodder, unless of course you are completely open about it, in which case then you run the legal liability risk, since the USA extends its jurisdiction universally.

[–]boo_radley_awesome 1 point2 points  (14 children)

Long as you’re not running for public office anytime soon... you should be good!

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Even then you're probably good to go.

[–]warsie 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Yeah just say "sorry I like hot bitches" or something

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

LOL - Watch the latest Tucker Carson episode on the Harvard Guys getting attacked for saying this on campus...(They were recorded)

Now you can't even do this.

[–]warsie -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Can you link it? Also given we still have President Shitposter running things you probably can get away with it.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"He fucked prostitutes!"

"Only the hot ones."


"You don't support women's profession? Her right to choose? Are you whore shaming? You're such a conservative control freak."


[–]warsie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Trump's campaign in a nutshell hahahahaha.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Yeah, but if you are wealthy and/or married, you still have a lot to lose if the local authorities want hush money to keep from ratting on you to the authorities in your home country.

[–]boo_radley_awesome -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I guess... but that’s no way to live. You could slip and break your neck walking out your house in the morning. But... it’s highly unlikely

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 0 points1 point  (2 children)

[–]boo_radley_awesome 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hmm... interesting.

Look, for me, as long as no one is underage and it is two consenting adults.. I don’t see anything wrong with it. Be safe and enjoy.

A lot of the negative shit associated with it is largely society and religion trying to shame men over the natural urges they have. There’s a reason it’s the world’s oldest profession, ya know.

Honestly, if it were legalized in the US, I believe the criminal element would largely be removed. It could be regulated and controlled. Conditions for women and men would be safer. Everybody wins. But the likelihood of something like this happening is slim to none unfortunately

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not that there is anything wrong with it, objectively speaking; at least nothing wrong with it if, like you say, both parties are consenting, and the transaction is fair. In many cases, this isn't the case. The woman usually hates it, and the guy is overpaying for bad sex. But that's life.

However, because the powerbrokers have decided that it's "wrong," even though they themselves hypocritically break their own rules, they have made it illegal, meaning they can use it as a pretext to incarcerate people, which is a legal way for them to rob and enslave other people. And of course, the most ultra of them have the strongest wills and can actually abide by these rules, or at least are super smart about not getting caught, while they encourage their elite brethren to indulge, the better to compromise and blackmail them to form elite consensus, or else throw them to the wolves occasionally as an example. Anyway, if you are near death's door, about to be sent into a battlefield, hideously ugly, or are terminally ill, you probably have very little to lose by taking the risk; everyone else is probably better off trying game.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, and let's not forget the following:

  1. They can give you an STD;
  2. They can rob you;
  3. They can be part of a criminal effort to hold you hostage for $$$;

Just like real women!


  1. Many are junkies;
  2. Many are virtual slaves;
  3. Many hate fucking endless men

Much better to just spin plates.

The only people who have use for prostitutes are men so hideously ugly and charmless that they have zero chance of attracting beauty into their life. People aren't pay for sex per se, they're paying for sex with someone they are attracted to. Theoretically men that pay prostitutes for sex could just wife up a HB1-3 and exchange their labor for sex, but since they've been sold a mass media phantasm that sex with women with symmetrical features is better than sex with women who look like a sack of potatoes for supply and demand reasons, they will always feel unfulfilled, hence the demand for attractive women with checkered pasts who can't be shoehorned into a corporation, a university, or some respectable alpha's harem.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (9 children)

since the USA extends its jurisdiction universally.

what do you mean? you can be subject to prosecution in the states if you bought a hooker in thailand?

[–]systemshock869 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I really don't think he meant that, but there are countries that do this. Dark Ages #2 approaching!

[–]Jaang_Empire 1 point2 points  (6 children)

you can be subject to prosecution in the states if you bought a hooker in thailand?

Yes. If she was 17 years old and you flew to Thailand with the express intention to use hookers, US federal prosecutors are eager to meet you.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (5 children)

ok so after some googling the only thing i found is if it is related to illegal sex with children. nothing about actual legal prostitution in another country.


[–]Jaang_Empire 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Under US federal law, anyone even one day under 18 years old is a child.

With most countries having legal age-of-consent at 16, and with prostitution being legal in large numbers of countries, you can see where a legal transaction between two consenting adults in Germany could be prosecuted as "exploiting a child" under US law.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (3 children)

the laws talk specifically regarding illegal exploitation though, regardless of us law. read through those.

[–]Jaang_Empire -1 points0 points  (2 children)

There is no "regardless of US law" in US law.


[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov -1 points0 points  (1 child)

no, what i mean is that if the prostitution is legal in another country, the us has no problem with it. only if its illegal (as in child sex) then you can be tried for it here.

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hilarious case was where a guy figured out that the age of consent in Canada was 14 (such as it was; it has been raised to 16). So he gets on the internet and finds a 15 year old to chat up and she agrees to meet and have sex with him. So at the border the CBS officer asks "what is the purpose of your visit to Canada?"

And idiot says "I'm going to seduce teenager!"

The border guard basically said 'no you're not' and sent him back. Then they called their counterparts at the US border and the latter detainted him.

They searched his car and found vodka, condoms, viagra and some sex toys. Sure, fucking a 15 year old in Canada was legal, but they charged him with internet luring which was either 16 or 18. He went down and got 10 years.

[–]Montrealais69 1 points1 points [recovered]

Not everyone is a USA citizen or resident. The USA represents about 5% of the planet's population. There is a whole world outside the USA.

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

In Canada, pay for play has always been legal but there were a number of laws that prevented prostitution from being commercialized: anti-soliciting and common bawdy house laws, as well as living off the avails. Those were thrown out in the Bedford case in 2013.

AFAIK, it is basically open season in Canada now.

[–]Montrealais69 1 points1 points [recovered]

AFAIK, it is basically open season in Canada now.

No - Bill C-36 was Parliament's response to the Bedford decision. Since December 6, 2014 the purchase of sexual services in Canada is a crime.

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Pay for play was not illegal. IIR, they tried to plug that hole after the Bedford decision. That was several years and two careers ago so things are a bit fuzzy.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's still illegal in a lot countries; also lots of people from the USA and UK write on TRP, so, it's relevant to them. Also, even it is legal in the country where the action takes place, the local police still monitor who uses the brothels by way criminals looking to make extra $$$, and lots of people who frequent brothels have extra $$$, so if there is an extortion angle to be played, they can play it. However, this would also be bad for business, so they won't do it to every customer; instead, there will be random "raids" to coincide with blackmail objectives. it's just an added layer of risk.

[–]Bestoftherest222 3 points4 points  (7 children)

You make is seem like the female will never go online again. The online competition will always be a swipe away, do not pretend it simple goes away when in person.

[–]Torabor64 -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

There are many girls that don't use tinder.

[–]Bestoftherest222 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Doesn't need to be tinder brother, could be any dating app or site that has thirsty men in the thousands per one female.

[–]Torabor64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I said tinder it obviously meant tinder and any similar app.

[–]dum_dum_boy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok, and so why worry about your 'online competition'? Are you gonna meet these guys? Are you planning on fucking these guys, or what?

It's like you're actually placing value on the girl because you're worried some asshole on Tinder is gonna steal her from you.

[–]akatsukirp 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Did you just hamster your way out of online dating?

I've seen a lot of these posts lately, offline is better, I'm not in the top 10% so fuck online, etc

The fact is, if you want to improve your reach and up the odds in your sexual strategy, do it all. Don't limit yourself, online dating takes basically zero effort these days.

Look at it as a pie chart:

  • Online (Tinder, bumble, whatever)
  • Offline (bars, libraries, farmer's markets, climbing gym meetups, yoga, etc).

Hone your game in each of these areas.

A few folks on here have been bitching that they are too ugly or not good enough.

All you need is hygiene and to not be obese. Look good, escalate and don't say stupid shit, that's IT.

If you hamster your way out of of the beginning, you're not even giving the girl a chance to be into you. Maybe she's sick of dark haired guys and wants some ginger candy corn between her legs. Let her decide, if she's into you, who gives a fuck?! Don't try to figure out all the reasons a girl may or may not be into you, be grateful and slay.

From a legal perspective, yes keep all text messages, send an after care text, even if she pisses you off later, save the history.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well you're forgetting quite a few things here:

1) Increasingly now you have more fake profiles/bots so lots of swiping (even in major cities) and nothing but fake FB bot profiles

2) The quality online is trash now compared to maybe 3-4 years ago. You're getting ham-hock shaped hoes built like a sack of wet potatoes with a bitchy attitude. To the point of where your dick can't even get hard. Not good.

3) Hygiene, weight and confidence don't matter online. If you are not in the top 10% you're in the bottom pile, that's it. Women IRL consistently rate me 8 out of 10 IRL but I get lackluster replies online. There's obviously inconsistency here in which Women actually use online dating (the ones rating me are equivalent 8 out of 10 IRL vs. the over-entitled over-confident 4's and 5's online) and which ones don't.

4) Your suggested pie chart should be 90% Offline 10% Online, once in a blue moon for kicks.

5) It's a fact that if I were uglier I would not even create a Tinder account. As it is the platform has warped Women's standards to the point of where they think it's a good idea to pass on several high quality dudes because they are waiting on 10/10 Brad Lightstorm with the Yacht. This is like Dan Blitzerian signing up for Tinder. What is the point.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. I never seemed to encounter that.

  2. I did a quick search on OKC in Toronto (notorious as the worst dating city in North America) and found A B C D E F G H I J K L which represents just under half of the hits I got. No super models there but in under 2 minutes I found a dozen 6s and 7s

  3. Online you need a decent pic, a solid profile and an interesting opening. Tinder is its own thing and is 95% your pic. Everything you need IRL you need for online dating because the whole point of going online is to meet that person IRL ASAP.

  4. As I mentioned elsewhere, it is a matter of personal style. However, unless you have a very interesting career or social life where you are meeting new, eligible girls on an ongoing basis, putting in a few hours a week (about 5% of your free time) can get you some results, generally more efficiently than with day or night game.

[–]akatsukirp -1 points0 points  (1 child)

  • 1) you have to deal with bots that take up 5 minutes of your day, big deal. They are easy to spot.

  • 2) You're matching with trash, why is that?

  • 3) Of course they matter online, online is pure vanity. All they have to go off us is what you look like and what your pics say about you. Maybe women aren't willing to tell you that you're a 6 or 7, or maybe your game is strong offline and you carry yourself better.

  • 4) that's for each person to decide, I like to change my focus if I feel burnt out on one.

  • 5) Your reply is full of assumptions and the core of what I'm saying not to do. You're letting your assumed "truths" drive your behavior. Some girls are intimidated by Brad, or never even match with Brad to begin with.

You create your own reality. What you believe expresses itself in how you carry yourself. If you're all doom and gloom it shows.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These are not assumed truths. These are continuous experiments conducted with online dating since 2003 when I was 17. There is no denying the viability and quality involved has dropped drastically since then. You are letting them slowly attrition your time and falling for the classic slow boiling water frog in the kettle trick.

They are boiling you alive (wasting your time) and you don't even notice because they are gradually turning the flame up year after year. If you really think it's 5 minutes get a stop watch and time it. You will be surprised.

[–]candid_account -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I must agree on quality online being really shit. I've complained in the past on this anonymous app, Whisper that why do I keep getting fatties when I'm pretty lean, tall, hygienic and all.

Regarding the offline places, people keep saying approaching woman places like farmers market and similar isn't a "social environment" too approach woman. My social circle consist of meh woman..need the ones outside my circle, honestly

[–]akatsukirp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well people are wrong. Farmer's markets are a gold mine, there are cute single women out, opening them up is cake "wow you have to try this pesto, or bread, or whatever", "hey where did you get that scarf? oh cool, I'm candid_account". Lots of travelers too. Once you get good you could be meeting them during the day and fucking them that night. Don't follow them around the entire farmer's market like a puppy. If you do hit it off, treat it like a first date and start escalating, but have somewhere else to be. Then hit them up later that evening.

[–]laviksa 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Nice post. I fully agree on the offline part, but the "out of area" part seems difficult to me. Random hookups using cold approach are extremely rare for me, I need some social proof or established status in a group to get a decent interaction with a female going. The corollary is that I can't remain incognito..

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I need some social proof or established status in a group to get a decent interaction with a female going. The corollary is that I can't remain incognito..

This is the dilemma the community needs to solve.

[–]whuttupfoo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I need some social proof or established status in a group to get a decent interaction with a female going.

Create your own "social proof", it's not that hard. When you get into a venue talk with and meet at least 3 people including the bartender. You can have your "social proof" within 15 minutes of being in a bar.

But, those are all excuses, you don't need social proof to get a random hookup, you just need a DHV.

[–]Red_Faust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

False dilemma.

Online game gives you quantity. Live game gives you quality, specially if you have some kind of status.

No reason at all to not do both, unless you're so drowning in quality pussy that you only want to reach for the top hanging fruit. In that case, go ahead my man.

A someone posted here recently, you can swipe tinder while in the shitter, so why not to?

P.S.: as a bonus, for me (this is my experience only), using Tinder has given me another reason to keep working hard in my looks. Once you get fit, it's passive income!

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (3 children)

But how much time does it take to contact 100 women online vs. 100 women in the real world?

On Tinder, you can mass swipe and mass message extremely quickly. Sending the same initial message to everyone or almost everyone dramatically reduces the time you spend before knowing who's going to reply and who isn't. Sticking relatively close to a 3-4 text-response script after that makes that stage almost rote, too. 5-10 minutes each day can get you face-to-face dates every couple of days, if not more frequently.

The level of real world effort you'd need to get similar results is a lot higher. Day game isn't bad, but it's just a lot more time-intensive than Tinder.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Well one other problem now is Tinder and others are mostly bots now or inactive profiles. So that's one key fact on why I would not recommend any single guy use them anymore. Because Women genuinely don't even use dating apps anymore.

You also forget that there are guys who just walk out in public and get IOIs automatically. So the level of effort in real life is very very low. I don't know why but I guess some guys have a better "presence" IRL (like me) while others are more photogenic and have a better "captured presence" or sense for what 2 dimensional images girls like to see.

Another thing as another commenter mentioned, the quality online SUCKS badly, really badly. I mean I'd have trouble maintaining an erection badly.

[–]disposable_pants -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tinder and others are mostly bots now or inactive profiles... Women genuinely don't even use dating apps anymore.

I find that extraordinarily hard to believe. I've met plenty of real women from apps, and both them and women I did not meet on an app have mentioned that most of their friends use apps. Why wouldn't they? It's as discreet as they want it to be, there's as much variety as they want, and they can put in exactly the level of effort they want without any messy social repercussions. Something that easy gets used.

the quality online SUCKS badly, really badly.

Hasn't been my experience.

there are guys who just walk out in public and get IOIs automatically

If you're that attractive, the whole conversation is moot. Most guys don't fall into that bucket.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (7 children)

girls on tinder are mostly the ones that can't get laid in real life either. whether its due to their socially awkward personality, being fat/ugly, or straight up crazy. i've bagged a ton of girls on tinder, but none that i would ever even consider dating due to the aforementioned traits (except ugly/fat, i don't get down like that).

[–]1dongpal 9 points10 points  (5 children)

This is true and I rarely see people on TRP talk about this. Every beautiful girl gets already hit on a daily basis. They also have an established social group where they can choose. Tinder for them is just for the lulz (not even validation, they get it enough in RL).

98% of the girls at tinder/online apps had tattos, piercings and/or smoked. Dont even start with kids or drinking alcohol... Trash. Just Trash.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dont even start with kids or drinking alcohol

yup. i love when their profile says something to the tune of "proud momma so if that bothers you swipe left".. yeah, thanks for letting me know in advance and saving me the time of ghosting your ass.

[–]leonxtravis 1 points1 points [recovered]

tattoos, piercings

So "alt" women are a big no?

[–]1dongpal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, trashy women are a big no.

[–]whuttupfoo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Drinking alcohol? What world do you live in?

[–]1dongpal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In one where I fuck only feminine women. Weird I know.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I barely try real life. I've gotten numbers before but tinder just makes way more sense.

[–]EsteraMC 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yeah, this is bullshit. I don't do online dating, only talk with people on streets (day game, IRL game). It doesn't work. Girls assume I am creepy, girls assume I am weird (lol who talks to strangers?), my conversion rate is about 1 in 800. So I had had sex with one woman in my life (my ex) and I've done over 800 approaches.

I'm tall, millionaire and not disfigured (I have no abnormalities).

So, IRL just DOES NOT WORK for me. Or it is extremely tiresome.

Believe me, girls don't "reward you" for being "brave" and having "confidence" to talk to her. They just don't. If they don't find you attractive, they will tell you to sod off or ghost you even if they give you your number.

Again, I'm speaking from experience and not mentally masturbating.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What's your online conversion rate?

I find it hard to believe a millionaire has trouble IRL unless you simply aren't accessing exclusive VIP areas. Why not just do that instead? You can still hide your finances from hoes and get to fuck them.

[–]tibikush2012 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why not enjoy both worlds?

You don't need to look like an adonis to get laid with hot chicks. That's insecurity speaking.

[–]BlastCorporation[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Actually as several other RPers have echoed you do. Nothing to do with insecurity but acknowledging the effect technology has and the choices available for these Women. They would rather wait ONE YEAR to score 15 minutes of a quick pump and dump with Hedge Fund Manager Dieseltron Chad Lightstorm Wondercock than get continuous validation and commitment from Trucker Jake who was captain of their HS football team.

Yep, it's that serious and I'm not exaggerating at all. Seen it with my own two eyes. This is what online has done to the female ego. Now in-person that's a completely different story. They WILL settle because their ovaries won't give their subconscious a choice in the matter when you are in the flesh and bone.

[–]JGatzGG -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Spoken like a butt hurt beta who never gets any matches online

[–]september_cutter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meh I've fucked a number of girls off Tinder, quality girls.

Still though, it's a lot of effort. Constant swiping. Wading through fatties (oh so many fatty matches!).

And really for me, it's feast or famine and a lot of dumb luck on Tinder. I'll fuck 3 girls in one week, then nothing for a month or two. If it's a crutch to avoid hitting girls in person, then ditch it.

I should make an app called Skinny. Basically no fatties. The negative media attention alone would probably boost sales LOL