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Wife's husband makes millions, he asks for a post-nup to protect his assets, but she's "confused" and doesn't feel the need for a post-nup because she would never hurt him. (self.TheRedPill)

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Edit: Exabiel. If you find this, send me a message you old bastard.

Found in a relationship sub. You should be able to copy and paste a snippet of the post into google to find it. Don't want any b0ts to remove it by providing a link.

From the title: Wife is 31, husband is 36.

"My husband "Daniel" and I have been together for 6 years, married for 3. When we met, he was an engineer here in the Bay Area (Silicon Valley) while I was a teacher. I was making around $60K a year which is nothing in the Bay Area so I was still living at my parents house, and he was making around $110K which is just enough to get a one-bedroom apartment in a decent area. After about a year of dating we moved in together and married a bit after that. He's always paid the majority of the bills, I'll admit that.

Daniel worked full time as an engineer when we met but had a side project that he & a friend were really passionate about. Just a few months after we married, the side project really took off and they had buyers interested. They ended up selling up the side project and my husband & his friend pocketed a couple million each. They teamed up again for another project and that one did well too. Two successes opened up a lot of doors for them -- investors, capital, resources, all of that. My husband quit his old job in order to work on innovating more products with the capital & investors that are now available to them(I know I'm being vague, don't want this to be identifiable). Anyways, he's not Elon Musk or anything but he's doing really well.

Just last year we bought a nice house in the Bay Area which I always thought was unobtainable. New house + 2 new cars + we eat out/go out more + vacations + no financial stress. Our lives have improved a LOT with this money. I definitely would not be living a life so comfortable if it weren't for my husband's success.

So I was a teacher up until about 6 months ago -- I've always HATED my job. I worked at an awful school with zero administrative support and poor funding, it was beyond stressful. Dreaded going to work each morning. My husband has known about this for ages and he sat me down this past summer and said "I finally make enough to support us both and I can't enjoy my life if you're not happy. Quit your job and pursue something else. If you wanna go to school, go to school. If you want to focus on raising our future kids, do that. I just want you to be happy". Music to my ears. I could write a book about how great this man is. We're planning on starting a family in 2018/2019. Things are really good right now.

Okay so that's all background here's the problem -- Daniel sat me down a few days ago and said that he wants to sign a post-nup agreement to "protect himself and his work" just in case something happens. He said that the circumstances when we got married vs. now are very different and, again, he wants to "protect himself". He basically wants something where if our relationship ends, he doesn't lose too much money. He gave me time to think about it.

I don't know how to feel about this. I talked with my best friend about it and both of us are just confused. I was with my husband when we were just two normal middle-class people and now all of a sudden I feel like he doesn't trust me because he has money. I've never asked him for anything now that I wouldn't have asked before. I didn't ask him to buy me a new car or to support me if I quit my job. I've never gone on shopping sprees with his card or anything like that. It just hurts me and honestly I can't help but to think about how now that he's rich he could leave me tomorrow and hook up with some gorgeous 22 year old. It's just a really sad feeling. He told me this a few days ago and it ruined my Xmas because I just can't get it out of my head. I would never, never, never hurt my husband even if our relationship ended so I don't feel the need for a postnup at all, but really I'm just sad.

tl;dr: Married a middle-class guy. He ended up becoming rich and now he wants to sign a post-nup."

It's interesting to note how she's very adamant on how great the relationship is, how her quality of life has improved, is planning on having kids, yet she "never asked for any of it" (the nice house, cars, vacations, etc), and how her husband could leave her for someone younger. She's already giving herself reasons NOT to sign the post-nu, but reiterates she didn't ask for the benefits of a millionaire lifestyle, as if that were her excuse.

Complete hamster.

I'm 26. I will never get a marriage license. I've seen mountains of cheating, financial rape, and other negative experiences that result from legal marriage. If a future fiancé wants a wedding, no problem. But no paperwork. And be aware of marriage laws (living together for a certain period of time considers you a married couple). I have followed the advice of wiser and older men, and things have gone well for me thus far.

This guy's future is already looking bleak. The top rated comment from a lawyer told her she doesn't have to sign it. If things end between them, he'll lose millions from his hard work. And all for what?

A woman.


[–]2Derek1382 559 points560 points  (92 children)

I would never, never, never hurt my husband even if our relationship ended so I don't feel the need for a postnup at all

Right now she might even believe it, however notice how the operating word is "feel". She "feels" that right now she'd never hurt him, so a postnup doesn't make sense. If and when the divorce comes, her feelings will "evolve" and she'll suddenly realize "how much she sacrificed to enable his career", so she'll "feel" entitled to a big chunk of the money "they" made. Her relatives, friends and lawyer will make sure to "help her" consider "what she's entitled to".

Daniel is smart and I hope he pushes this through one way or another.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 301 points302 points  (15 children)

"how much she sacrificed to enable his career"

What a martyr, quitting a job that she hated at his encouragement.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 122 points123 points  (13 children)

Sitting around only working 8 or 9 months a year max, letting him pay all the bills even when he was just a lowly engineer

[–]Im_a_Mime 29 points30 points  (11 children)

“Lowly” engineer? It’s a pretty prestigious job, people could do a lot worse.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 76 points77 points  (2 children)

In comparison to being a millionaire*

I'm an engineer too

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Myself as well. Not a millionaire- just an engineer.

[–]ATPsynthase12 53 points54 points  (3 children)

It’s sarcasm like saying lowly doctor or impoverished CEO.

[–]vlada_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

i guess sarcasm on reddit doesn't work without that horrible '/s'

[–]kjvlv 12 points13 points  (0 children)

you mean the job that allowed her to only be able to afford living with her parents?

[–]Psychocist 119 points120 points  (21 children)

I don't think she believes it - I think she's wondering whether she should use the opportunity to cash out now or later. Fact is, if she doesn't cash out now, she might lose a lot of his money in the future when this agreement comes into place. Wisest thing they can both do is split.

"This is so important and exactly what I was thinking! Hell, who's to say he would have been so successful with his projects if he didn't have emotional and physical support (helping with chores more so he can focus on his side project after work, etc.) from his wife at home before she ever quit her job"

I feel sick. That's enough of that sub for today.

[–]garbagejooce 57 points58 points  (12 children)

Puuuuuke. Or he could’ve hired a live-in maid since he was paying for everything. Still would’ve been cheaper and less work.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (11 children)

Her lawyers will argue that her job was a key reason that he was able to leave his engineering job to pursue his side project. She provided the health insurance. She provided a small “fall-back” salary in case things didn’t work out. And he never would have been able to focus on his side project full time without her.

No side project, no windfall. No windfall, no live-in maid.

This guy just didn’t think ahead and made some careless mistakes. It will only cost him at least half of his assets and spousal support.

[–]Dubalicious 8 points9 points  (10 children)

This guy just didn’t think ahead and made some careless mistakes

Kinda sounds like the only mistake he made was getting married because now he can't just leave his wife for the new hot young thing he found.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children)

Of course he can leave his wife. He just has to give her half the marital assets and probably pay spousal support.

[–]Dubalicious 5 points6 points  (8 children)

so he can't JUST leave his wife, he has to pay her or give up something. If he wasn't married, he could just leave.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Well that was something to think about before he married her. Without a pre-nup. That ship has sailed.

He did marry her. And he did quit his job to work on a side project while she was still working and making an economic contribution to the household. And he did then piss off his wife with a post-nup that she has zero incentive to sign. And he did do all of this in a community property state. And no one was holding a gun to his head. He did this all willingly.

Now he can man up, own his mistake, write some checks and move on. Or he can whine about how he’s the victim of something other than his own poor planning.

[–]Moneyley 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I dont see any of this matters. He should just yield total power of the company over to his friend (who may or may not back stab him) but either way he would return to his previous situation. Everything would go back to normal. She wouldnt last a year in their previous "simple" life and would seek to leave.

2 years later she'll look him up on facebook or some other social media platfrom and his tagline will say "millionaire...owner of major real estate portfolio"

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

He can’t yield control of the company to his partner without her agreement unless he was smart enough to set up a corporation for his venture prior to the marriage or he kept the firm’s assets within the corporation without ever commingling the corporation’s assets with personal assets. Not a single penny.

Given his obvious lack of ability for the most basic financial planning, and her comments about them buying a house in the Bay Area, I think neither applies. Further, because she was working when he quit his job to focus on his side project, she has a claim to a portion of that business. He can’t give away control of her portion to his partner.

[–]2IVIaskerade 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I don't think she believes it

She does... or she did, at least.

When they were happily married, while his star was in the ascendant, and while he lavished her with gifts (including being the one to suggest she use his money to do something she enjoys rather than stay in the job she hated), she loved him and could never imagine leaving him or hurting him.

As soon as she wants a divorce, all she will care about is screwing him over and taking as much of his money as she can.

These are not contradictions. These are just a side effect of women's truths being informed by their current emotional state.

[–]7a7p 24 points25 points  (0 children)

After reading and really considering your comment I feel like I’m seeing things differently....like I’m able to perceive a “new” color or something. Thanks. That was the piece of info I needed.

Edit: A woman’s “truth” is informed by her current emotional state. If you interact with women at all, understand this thoroughly as it explains everything you need to know and suggests what you should protect yourself from initially...and even how you should go about interacting with them in a way that protects you. As far as I’m concerned, this is some Sun Tsu-level insight OP is dropping on us. I mean, we all kinda already know this but seeing it stated that way flipped a switch in my mind. Thanks, OP.

[–]Dystopian_ 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's far too poetic that the name of that account is "RabidHamster87".

Going by that name, I'm hoping it's a troll account, but sadly it's probably not.

[–]Psychocist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ha! Didn't even notice that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The agreement is only enforceable if she signs it. And she has zero incentive to do.

She’s already entitled to at least half the post-marital assets, and she has a strong argument for more than half. And if she can prove that he was supportive of her quitting her job, she will get plenty of spousal support as well.

The only thing she could really lose is a potion of his future earning (which may or may not be significant) and a relationship that MAY be emotionally meaningful to her.

[–]2Derek1382 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I don't think she believes it - I think she's wondering whether she should use the opportunity to cash out now or later.

The two things are far from mutually exclusive.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 85 points86 points  (4 children)

If she "feels" like she would never hurt him (aka leave him), then logically speaking she would have nothing to fear signing a post-nup right?

Especially if she never asked for nor wanted any of the great things that come with being rich as she claims...

Of course, we all know women are naturally self-centered and aren't logical, so she will never sign it because at the end of the day she retains the power to ditch him at a moment's notice and take half his net worth.

[–]Psychocist 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Worryingly, surely her best play now is to divorce him under these grounds and take what she can and run? If I was in his position, I think I'd pay her off and go find a younger woman to bear my children.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Honestly I would probably cut and run with a cool million or two if I were her, but I'm a selfish asshole who would only marry if the woman had a higher net worth than I did.

[–]askmrcia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If she "feels" like she would never hurt him (aka leave him), then logically speaking she would have nothing to fear signing a post-nup right?

Yea, but her thought process is him asking for that post-nub is him telling her he would eventually leave her and she can't get anything out of it.

Now the problem with her thinking is she basically told everyone in that post that she is not entitled to anything from Daniel. she said she was making $60k a year living with her parents and didn;t ask for anything that Daniel gave her.

So if she didn't ask, then that means she should not be entitled to anything that Daniel gives her.

But where her hamster comes into play is that she feels the guy will leave her for someone better looking so because of that, NOW she is entitled to everything.

Hopefully the post nub would work out because if he leaves now, she will get half his shit. Then again it was the guy's fault for getting married anyways. He was already making 110K a year and would most likely increase his salary over time anyways. A teacher's salary does not increase and if it does it takes years.

So why the fuck would this guy marry a chick who barely brings anything to the table anyways? He basically married a prostitute because she isn't paying for anything and judging by the post, she isn't taking care of the kids no more then he is. He literally just paid for sex.

[–]RushingPrecision 47 points48 points  (4 children)

yea, no this is one situation TRP analysis has gotten pretty wrong. Daniel fuct up by showing intent, "i might not leave you, but if I do leave you, I wanna protect my ass now". His cards are known and he's signalling risk aversion by hedging his risk. Rather than over years, slowly building up offshore, swiss, or gasp bitcoin accounts, Daniel, like a dumbass, has shared his insecurities with a woman. Oh what's a woman gonna do at the slightest bit of insecurity...FUCKING OVERREACT. Where there was no doubt before, there is now. Now she is gonna question everything he does, and lurk thru his shit to see if he's cheating or wtf he's up to that would be the catalyst for a post-nup. DAMN DANIEL....you fucking played yourself

[–]Arnoux 3 points4 points  (2 children)

How can I find a guide on how to secure my money if I will marry in one day? :D

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

They are in California. It doesn’t matter what she feels. What was earned during the marriage is joint property.

[–]Bedtimeshine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeh it’s cali. The divorce laws are written in stone. Pre and post nuns don’t matter. If the marriage makes it past 10 years it’s even worse for him.

[–]DatingCoach111 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Women don't lie nearly as much as men think. Women truly believe their own words...in the moment.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hell no he isnt smart. What he is is desperate to cover his prior fuck up.

[–]Moneyley 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've read many books where many of the worlds most successful men all come to the same agreement. Once you make it; you know how to make it again. If I was him; Id start yielding my share entirely to my friend. Practically give it away or cede power to somebody else. Then tell the wife "Ive signed off/given away all the earnings...we will return back to our normal life" See how fast she asks for a divorce then. After that, go back with your buddy and get back to where you were.

[–]P1000123 15 points16 points  (19 children)

I don't know. I kind of side with the women here. They are in so deep already, it's like asking for a DNA test from your 18 year old kid. Sure you want to know, but it's too late, that's your kid. I don't agree the woman should have half of his money, but she should be taken care of to some degree don't you think? She should be kicked to the curb and continue her 60k a job like nothing happened? What about if she never worked and had three kids? Let's just throw her out on the street? Where's the fine line here? There should be some sort of severance pay, just not as burdensome as the courts have made it.

[–]RedPillFusion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

it's too late, that's your kid.

He didn't create a human organism that will live its own life. He created a legal contract.

she should be taken care of to some degree don't you think?

this depends on how her future circumstances have been unalterably impacted by her relationship with him - essentially, whether they had a kid or not that she'll need to raise. Otherwise, she chose her line of work and her locale. She can always go back to the line of work she selected as an educator. She can always go back and live with her parents. And even if not, why should he be responsible for financing her post-parent-basement life he elevated her from?

Again, if they had kids together, this could change the conversation. I can't link to her original post here, so I'm going off OP's paraphrasing.

[–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (10 children)

You should be "taken care of" by someone who paid your way for years because they decided to stop paying your way?

Really?

[–]P1000123 4 points5 points  (8 children)

There's a difference between a friendship and a relationship. If you paid for your buddy to live scot free and decided to end it, he would get nothing out of it. But when you commit to someone as a responsibility to each other, that's a whole nother story. Backed by the law. Do you honestly think it's ok for a woman to be a stay at home mother with 3 kids and for her to get absolutely nothing because the husband is tired of fucking her? I mean, have some sense here bud.

[–]NSFWIssue 107 points108 points  (11 children)

"We" bought a nice house.

Our lives have improved with "this" money.

She already knows exactly what she wants, at least at some level of consciousness. What happens over the next weeks/months/years is the slow usurpation of her human forebrain by the monkey instincts deep below. All the human's job now is to save face/protect the ego consciousness. The slow calculations begin.

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    [–]Pharan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Yep. Good point. Guys gotta read inbetween the lines.

    [–]rpman69 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Lol. She already knows how to play him. Just like elon musk got played by his wife.

    P.S: sorry elon. I admire you, but you are one dumb fuck to go after the same girl again.

    [–]WaT30 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    Yeah lol, it's not like his talent and aspiration made him all those millions...

    You know how they say for women, her money is her money, husbands money is their money. It's really funny how with a simple phrasing like that you can deduce what the person is actually thinking/talking about.

    [–]garbagejooce 44 points45 points  (5 children)

    One of my favorite comments by the succubus:

    This is great advice, thank you. The thing is - I’m perfectly willing to sign a post up that would give me 45% of everything in case of a divorce (rather than 50% I would be entitled to now) if it meant protecting his businesses and giving him peace of mind. But I’m not gonna just sign everything away so I’m discarded as the starter wife. I stand to gain nothing by signing even a generous post up because I’ll get more without it, but I want to fight and keep my marriage.

    Oh wow! You're willing to only take 45%!!! How amazingly generous of you. Seeing as it's totally half yours (in the moral, ethical sense).

    [–]bumbuff 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Except this is a case of men's rights issues in family court more the it is RP. It's a shit post. Guy got married and got rich post wedding. Then plays his hand too early to show he wants out.

    I can't fault the woman here.

    [–]AstuteBlackMan 73 points74 points  (12 children)

    I saw this post. It's crazy how the money changes things. I'm pretty sure the husband or the husbands associates know this and understands it's better to protect yourself in these cases.

    The woman is acting kinda dumb. If she knows the relationship is fine why is she worried about signing it?

    [–]Psychocist 83 points84 points  (7 children)

    She's probably wondering whether to cash out now or later.

    [–]chuckch 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    She's just trying to maximize the profits

    [–]askmrcia 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    The woman is acting kinda dumb. If she knows the relationship is fine why is she worried about signing it?

    Because she feels that she is entitled to some of his money. She was there when he made it big, she supported him, and she helped raised the kids.

    She feels that she is entitled to a piece of the pie.

    So if Daniel ups and leaves her, she feels that she deserves something out of the marriage.

    In my opinion she deserves nothing because in the post she clearly states that she didn't ask for anything and she seemed content with her $60k job and living with her parents.

    [–]boogalooshrimp1103 125 points126 points  (7 children)

    He's fucked either way. Id say best case scenario is he should split now before she gets pregnant and take whatever financial hit he's gonna take while he's still young enough to recover from it

    [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 48 points49 points  (0 children)

    Yep. Sometimes you got to cut your losses.

    [–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Stash as cash and prepare to dash

    [–]Koryphae_ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    She is provably already pregnant as we speak...

    [–]boogalooshrimp1103 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    In that case, via con dios,

    [–]guavaberries3 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    well if he actually likes her and the vacations + nice treatment wen't just a distraction to make her feel safe signing it, then why take the losses now rather than if things break in the future?

    by leaving now and losing 50%, you realize the worst case scenario. if he really does like her more than the 22 yo gorgeous sluts and wants a child and family with her, then he could continue with a non-0 probability of rape-divorce-less happiness.

    typos.

    [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 115 points116 points  (33 children)

    He's always paid the majority of the bills, I'll admit that

    Yet the hamster will still rationalize she's entitled to half his net worth...

    [–]Psychocist 98 points99 points  (21 children)

    ..yep, and they're already doing it for her:

    "This is so important and exactly what I was thinking! Hell, who's to say he would have been so successful with his projects if he didn't have emotional and physical support (helping with chores more so he can focus on his side project after work, etc.) from his wife at home before she ever quit her job"

    Sickening.

    [–]2IVIaskerade 71 points72 points  (12 children)

    The truth is that he would have lived in wretched conditions if it meant being able to devote time to his projects.

    It's nice to have your anime t-shirts and cargo shorts ironed and hung in your wardrobe once they're done in the wash. But being hung to dry and then quickly folded into a pile will do.
    It's nice to have a tasty bolognaise with hand-made noodles, followed by a fruit salad with plenty of exotic ingredients, for dinner. But a microwaved chicken and broccoli portion and an apple will do.
    It's nice to have the windowsills swept and cobwebs removed (assuming you don't use some of your 110k income to hire a minimum wage cleaner) - but letting spider bros deal with flies for you and having dusty windowsills will do.
    It's nice to come home to a warm, lit, house, with food waiting and the bed made, but walking in, flipping on the lights, and crawling under your crumpled duvet for another few hours of shut-eye will do.

    All of these things wouldn't happen without a woman in the house - but without a woman in the house, they wouldn't need to happen either. This woman entered his space, decided it needed a bunch of nonessential work doing to it, and then patted herself on the back for doing it.

    You know who deserves a cut of his cash for emotional support? The guys in the project who kept him company during the long nights, convinced him to keep going when he was getting tired of work, brought him coffees and played pranks on him. The ones who he sat, half-slumped from fatigue, with in a coffee shop booth, nursing another cup before you all get up, stretch the aches out, and go back to your passion project.
    His bros.

    [–]Psychocist 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    Too right!

    The only reason I can see to keep a woman around is to raise children. Beyond that, I really fail to see the value they bring that I can't easily deliver for myself.

    You know who deserves a cut of his cash for emotional support? The guys in the project who kept him company during the long nights, convinced him to keep going when he was getting tired of work, brought him coffees and played pranks on him. The ones who he sat, half-slumped from fatigue, with in a coffee shop booth, nursing another cup before you all get up, stretch the aches out, and go back to your passion project.

    Yup.

    [–]2IVIaskerade 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    The only reason I can see to keep a woman around is to raise children

    They look good naked. And it's always nice to have someone pretty to fan you and pour your wine.

    [–]Psychocist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I said to keep them around :P I can think of many reasons to have them in my presence.

    [–]throwaway-aa2 20 points21 points  (4 children)

    The truth is that he would have lived in wretched conditions if it meant being able to devote time to his projects.

    Fuck all that. Let's get STRAIGHT to the fucking heart of the issue.

    Let's say there's a McDonalds outside my house. Let's say I binge eat there for a week, while I'm studying for a project to pass my last test, which will make or break my acceptance into college or some shit. Let's say I pass the test. Does McDonalds now get to claim a right on future money I make because I used their food as fuel for the test? Absolutely fucking not. It's asinine.

    A millionaire drinks from water fountain. Water fountain guy goes "hey you made a decision that made billions yesterday. You wouldn't have done that without my water. I want half your shit". There's a couple of problems with the argument:

    • Who the fuck says he couldn't have done it with another water? Water is important, sure, but there isn't a shortage of water, so it's not WORTH anything, the same way air is important but not WORTH anything. And unless the feminists accept women being rated differently based on what they bring to the table (do they know how to cook, suck dick properly, not be a starfish in bed, etc), then they're ALL "special" meaning they're all equal. So if I have 1000 girls I can pick from, and every one of those girls can make an argument that she provided something integral to get half of my money, then it's the same as water fountain guy claiming he's entitled to half just because I took a sip of water. And just for reference, being a millionaire and giving a woman a place to stay, means I'm giving her more out of this deal than she's giving to me. And given how many women would love to be taken care of by a millionaire, while no guy dreams of getting emotional support for a women, how is it that this bitch is entitled to ANYTHING, let alone being able to get by without paying ME for something?
    • If you were going to make that argument about taking half of my shit because I drank from your water, why did you wait until after I drank the water to spring these terms & conditions on me? Aren't you supposed to be given the terms on conditions BEFORE you render services? You realize if you had an advertisement on the fountain stating "please be advised, once you drink water from this fountain, we're entitled to half" that the millionaire would have never tasted your water to begin with. So the entire point's foundation is based on deception. Why not, instead of the inference that a woman gets half... that she argue what she's worth right there and then, when they get married? It should be on the WOMAN to establish a contract if they have expectations of what they're worth. But again, this isn't practical because men wouldn't go for 100% transparency in terms of womens capacity to benefit off of a divorce, so it needs to be handled in this purposefully ambiguous and destitute way.
    • To summarize: I can get emotional support from a therapist, and I could easily pay like just thousands of dollars for transparent emotional support from a perfect 10 of a women, whilst not having to put up with any of her shit. So explain to me again why YOU think you're worth a portion of my earnings?
    • Also, another interesting question: the women who give destitute men support... how much are they worth? Why aren't millionaires swooping down to pick these women up? Is it because they're not worth a million... they're only worth whoever she's with, which means it's just a price gouge? We can go a multitude of ways, whichever way you fucking want really.

    [–]Arnoux 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Very good explanation, I even saved it.

    The guy made a mistake to marry a girl without starting a family. I may be fine with the woman getting money from the man after giving birth to like 5 children. But they have zero children. I don't understand how is it logical that the man owes anything to a childless woman in case of divorce.

    [–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    If you were going to make that argument about taking half of my shit because I drank from your water, why did you wait until after I drank the water to spring these terms & conditions on me?

    Beautiful comment. I could not agree more. This part stuck out, but the rest of your comment was on point as well.

    My takeaway is the guy was an idiot to marry her in the first place. He basically married a prositutute. Why? Because even though he was making $100k in the bay area, there was no doubt that his salary would only increase over time.

    The woman was making $60k as a teacher. Teacher's salaries do not increase or they rarely do. And she mentioned her school district was poor funded, meaning there wasn't a chance in hell they would be increasing teacher salaries anytime soon.

    So even if he wasn't going to become a millioniare, he was going to be earning good money as time past by.

    Now why I say he married a prostitute. Because the woman admitted herself that she didn't pay the bills and they don't even have kids. He pretty much married her for sex (his mistake).

    [–]ConanTheSpenglerian 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Somewhat agreed, but actually single living is better than that. If you get Mizzen&Main shirts, you just machine wash them and you look professional without any time wasted on ironing. You can listen to podcasts to learn more while cooking... rather than listening to a woman nag you to tell her about how awesome her mediocre cooking tastes. If you cook omelets, steaks, use a crockpot, and eat raw veggies and fruits, and do intermittent fasting, the time and monetary costs of food is extremely low and it's healthy and tasty too. Cleaning takes no time if you have hardwood floors and you don't make a bunch of useless purchases. The woman gives you companionship, sexual gratification, and children. That's it. If you practice stoicism, there's no need for emotional support from anyone.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Feminists always devalue maintaining a good home. "Is that all we are you to?!? You should share the burden!!" Trying to wiggle out of chores.

    ...except when it comes time for a divorce shakedown. That's it's all, "he couldn't have done it without my support!"

    [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Feminists always devalue maintaining a good home. "Is that all we are you to?!? You should share the burden!!" Trying to wiggle out of chores.

    ...except when it comes time for a divorce shakedown. That's it's all, "he couldn't have done it without my support!"

    I know! It's funny when they give a litany of all that housewives do, they include 'paying the bills'! As if keeping a pile of bills then either writing a check or paying online, with HIS money, is some incredible feat, equalled only by designing an SR-71!

    [–]Future96 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    That's the comment that shocked me the most. I had to close the thread after reading that.

    [–]IDisagreeHere 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Lowkey, I used to kind of enjoy reading this shit that pissed me off so much. Now I read a couple comments, know where it's all headed, and just turn back. Trying to cut this stuff out in 2018.

    [–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Good plan. Get in, lean the lessons, internalize them, get out.

    [–]ConanTheSpenglerian 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    emotional and physical support

    This is why I plan on remaining single until I'm very rich. I've never met a woman who wasn't an emotional and physical drain or roller coaster. By myself, I can get by with a stoic lifestyle, minimal possessions, minimal chores, and just stash up the gold. It's way easier now to work on a ton of side projects than it ever was when I was in a relationship.

    [–]yeah-yeah-red 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    or just eurojaunt

    heuehuehue

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (8 children)

    Because she is entitled to half his net worth.

    He earned that money during their marriage, in a commmunal property state, and without a prenuptial agreement. There is no hamstering. The law is pretty clear. She is entitled to half. Possibly more. He did nothing to protect himself.

    And if she can prove that he encouraged or supported her leaving her job, she will do very well with regard to spousal support.

    Again, people complain that women won’t accept accountability for their actions but when a man fucks up, he’s a victim? Bullshit. This guy did this to himself.

    [–]throwaway-aa2 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    I get what you're trying to do, but you're referring to the acceptance phase way of looking at things. Try to look at this in the eyes of someone coming to terms with acceptance.

    1. Guys get richer than woman. The gap has shrunk but it's still there.
    2. The law is made to benefit women. If women ever catch up salary wise, the laws will start to change. But this is IMPORTANT for guys new to this, to understand why this shit is in place like it is.
    3. This guy was probably in love, saw no reason to get a prenup, simple as that. I don't know about you, but there are a couple of people in my lives that I absolutely trust. My mom is out there mentally like most women, but she'd commit suicide before doing me wrong. I don't need to keep a defense up against trusted parties. The problem is, this man was like "well we love each other, we get married, we're like.... ONE, you know?" and then the nature of women bit him in the ass.

    So we get it. Laws are important. But you'd think that loyalty and love are stronger than people taking full advantage of the law against someone they were supposed to love and be loyal to. But that isn't the case. And that's what a lot of us are here to learn. All this shit about the guy fucking up, he probably had no idea.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Oh, well. If he was a man and he fucked up no reason to hold him accountable. Because he “probably had no idea”.

    But this woman who has (to the best of our knowledge), never shown herself to be anything but love and loyalty should be ridiculed as being selfish and self serving because she refuses to sign a post-nup from a man who she has (to the best of our knowledge) never wronged.

    He gets a pass on lousy financial planning because he was in love. She is in love and is a called a selfish bitch for not signing a post-nup.

    He potentially made a mess of his finances, and she’s called out for it. Clearly there are different standards.

    [–]DuckFromAndromeda 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I read up to the point in your comment that said 'entitled to half' then you said possibly more. More? Wtf How? Why?

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    She continued to work when he quit his job to work on his side projects. She probably provided health insurance and others benefits. She provided a (small) safety net with her salary. In other words, she enabled him to build the business that was ultimately a success.

    A decent lawyer could argue that she was entitled to a portion of all future proceeds from that project and any future endeavors that leverage that success. If they got divorced, he could have to buy out her interest out of his half of the marital assets.

    But note that I said “possibly”. It’s a decent legal argument. But far from a slam dunk.

    [–]WISE_TURD 256 points257 points  (34 children)

    Well played by the woman. She's a machiavellian. Let's all learn from this dude's mistake.

    Her playing dumb is the correct response from her standpoint. She already bought low, why would she sell at the price she bought at when the asset value increased so much???

    The dude's probably getting pussy thrown at him (due to his sudden increase in smv) and is planning an exit strategy. She's either too stupid to realize or she's a crafty little bitch. Not even sure what's worse, as I find both to be insufferable.

    I'm thinking this dude's a nerd that will be tempted by pussy (which never used to happen), cheat on his wife, and she'll take him to the cleaners. 50/50 chance whether he wifes up the hot slut shortly thereafter. BB attracts succubus bitches.

    He only has himself to blame for not understanding that men age like wine and women age like milk.

    She played the game right, he played it wrong. Poor bastard.

    [–]AstuteBlackMan 59 points60 points  (21 children)

    Money increases SMV a shit ton

    [–]a_strategos 65 points66 points  (1 child)

    He could also be trying to logically guarantee that she won't fuck him now that she has no job towards the bills. Total engineer logic, does not understand the emotions, only the logic

    [–]AstuteBlackMan 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    I have the same mindset. I think of everything logically step by step. I'm also an engineering major. Red Pill, my father, and some various situations taught me to understand emotions. Interesting situation.

    [–]the99percent1 14 points15 points  (9 children)

    If you use money as your game, you will attract the wrong kind of traits.

    She will see you as a beta buck, able to support her lifestyle. She will make you wait for sex, she will be less animalistic in bed, she will show good girl side of herself.

    You will never get the proper chad experience if you flash your money.

    [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 11 points12 points  (7 children)

    Money increases RMV, not SMV.

    Remember, there are two markets that exist, because men and women both want partners for sex and partners for emotional presence and support.

    [–]redd_reality 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    And his overt assertion of a post-nup layed the foundation of his destruction.

    [–]Reanimated1 85 points86 points  (7 children)

    I hope the guy finds her Reddit post. Valuable evidence in the future divorce.

    [–]guavaberries3 20 points21 points  (5 children)

    hes a nerd, it's possible if this story gets popular and shows up in finance communities.

    [–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 39 points40 points  (3 children)

    Kick this over to WallStreetBets, and they'll not only have odds on the divorce happening within five years, but also an over-under on what percent of his assets she gets

    [–]guavaberries3 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    is that the tldr of WallStreetBets? just bets on shit?

    sounds pretty interesting actually. does the sub provide insightful learning oppportunities?

    [–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Nah, WSB is stockbrokers and other finance guys shitposting, but it's good entertainment if you're into investing

    [–]thomascoopers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It had 3k up votes, but she removed it. I wonder why.... I just knew someone would post it here. Very thankful cos all I could see was the husband getting ripped to shreds in the comments. The story doesn't paint the husband as that bad of a guy, really, and it came across like OP felt like the hubby cared mostly about the money.

    [–]omega_dawg93 41 points42 points  (0 children)

    she may not want to hurt him but her lawyer wants to ruthlessly ass rape his current and future earning potential.

    i hope he fucked her a lot bc he's abt to find out just how much pussy actually costs.

    [–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (2 children)

    In five years, she'll have half of his millions and she'll be out on the town pretending "she's still got it" while competing with the 22 year old gorgeous girls she envies.

    [–]2IVIaskerade 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    While competing with the same 22 year old her husband left her for, because he sure as hell isn't going to repeat his mistake with the next hot piece of ass who crawls into his bed.

    [–]AFuckYou 34 points35 points  (0 children)

    I like how she says he "came into" a lot of money. Like whoops, he got rich. It was his work with his friend that made the money.

    [–]LordThunderbolt 32 points33 points  (13 children)

    "Anyways, he's not Elon Musk or anything but he's doing really well.

    Just last year we bought a nice house in the Bay Area which I always thought was unobtainable. "

    Gotta love this. She didn't pay a dime on the new house, but it's "WE" who bought it lol. Women.

    [–]Rainliberty 57 points58 points  (10 children)

    This guy fucked himself by bringing it up in the first place. If you have the type of mindset that you would ask for something like this. You do it before you get married. The basis for any relationship, married or not is trust. He just let her know he doesn't trust her. This probably won't end well.

    [–]Midnight-Clad 30 points31 points  (4 children)

    Seems like he just potentially set himself up for the fate he wanted to avoid.

    [–]guavaberries3 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    my thoughts exactly. cringe. and now even if things are fine, she'll always remember this which will result in a bit of constant doubt and lack of guilt should she financially rape him

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      [–]The_Lear_Bluce_Ree 17 points18 points  (2 children)

      Yup the relationship is poisoned now. He's fucked.

      [–]LordThunderbolt 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      He was most likely one of those "I don't see the need for it, I trust my wife. Besides, I dont have much anyway" guys. Now that he's rich af he sees the potential unlubricated financial rape coming his way, so now he's tightening and peppering his angus.

      [–]uebermacht 30 points31 points  (25 children)

      [–]Ganaria_Gente 10 points11 points  (23 children)

      Damn.... That sub is sick and evil.

      [–]taxandstuff 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      you don't know a woman until you've met her in court

      [–]momomotorboat 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      Something that gets totally overlooked but I think helps swallow the pill:

      Have you ever looked at a marriage license?

      You know what word NEVER shows up on one? LOVE. Not even once.

      A legal marriage is a contract under the supervision of the state. It has nothing to do with your emotions. Those are entirely immaterial to the state. The instant you sign that, what you've effectively done is reported to the state that you are responsible for this other person. Does the state ask if you love them? Fuck. No.

      What we've done is equate this act with love, and conflate the two things as if they necessarily go hand in hand. They don't.

      Marriage binds you legally. What it does not guarantee is that she won't change her mind. And if she does, then you're at the mercy of a judge. Good luck with that.

      See legal marriage for what it is. A contract. Nothing more, nothing less. That's when the lenses get a richer shade of red.

      EDIT: a word EDIT 2: Brothers, if there are marriage contracts where the word 'love' or similar sentiments involved, please share! I'm dying to see what municipalities do when the contract has that in the language.

      [–]SohithKumar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Awesome perspective. I am going to use this when my girl asks me to marry her.

      [–]Bkblul 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      I don't think this is a bad move on his end.

      If she's legitimate she'll sign it and the relationship will carry on.

      If she doesn't sign it he'll get his answer and get out before he makes some bank/she has kids. I mean he's even giving her a taste of what she could have if she signed (no need to work etc).

      [–]Magnum256 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      I can understand WHY she'd feel "hurt" or whatever, but it's purely a selfish, emotional response to the situation, not a logical one.

      Plus we're missing many details. She frames it as the guy claiming he wants to "protect himself", but given his alleged success, he might have a company now with many people employed, and if she were to divorce him, and he faced a multi-million dollar loss, could ruin his existing business and result in many people losing jobs as well. He might not necessarily just be "protecting himself" (although that is completely valid), he might be protecting much more than that.

      Also this part is laughable:

      I would never, never, never hurt my husband even if our relationship ended

      I'm sure that won't hold true if she suddenly starts "feeling" neglected, if the husband isn't home enough for her liking, or she finds him flirting with one of his secretaries at the Christmas party or whatever.

      Sucks for the husband but he's basically fucked. This is the world we live in.

      [–]3trplurker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      She's definitely bullshiting a bit, though I'd bet dollars to donuts the dude had someone else sit his ass down and give him the hard truth. "Hey Dan, welcome to the club, what have you done to protect your success and assets from your soon-to-be-ex-wife". Complete with a few real examples of successful men they know who have had their shit taken to the cleaners by California's male rape laws. Light bulb went off in his head and now he's looking for ways to protect himself.

      One of the aspects of being an engineer (all the flavors) is always plan for contingencies and emergencies. We build redundancies and fail-safes into things to protect them from the rare catastrophic failures that can happen and he's now finally looking at his life like he would any other system and realizing there was a critical vulnerability (the wife) with no fail safe or contingency.

      [–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (23 children)

      Never marry or cohabit with a woman in the United States or other anglosphere countries if you have any ambitions of achieving financial success. There's a high chance if something goes wrong, you're fucked.

      [–]ShinyRedKetoPill 56 points57 points  (6 children)

      This. Friends dont let friends marry [period] but I am making concessions for those who have grandiose dreams of parenthood bliss and will say Friends don't let friends marry without a prenup.

      Past 8 years I saw a handful of Bros get married. And I lectured all of them to be smart about this. Guess how many went and got a prenup? Zero!!

      Excuses ranged from "I'm at the lowest rung of middle class, I got nothing to lose that justifies the lawyer fee" to "I want to have a child with her so if we were to break up down the track I want to step up and do the right thing anyway" to the truly beta "I am afraid to bring it up. It's awkward and not romantic."

      I don't get invited to many weddings these days LOL.

      And most of my friend's LTRs try to keep me away from them because I am "bad influence".

      One thing I learned though is that it's not worth my time to try and save the pussywhipped.

      I spend my weekends between gym and parties - they spend theirs choosing childcare centers and hanging out at IKEA with their wives who immediately gained 20 pounds, cut their hair off and closed their legs.

      I ask the fallen brother "are you content with life?"

      "Best thing that ever happened to me" he counters.

      It's a write off. Every time. Not up the me to decide for them, I suppose. It just drives me crazy seeing these things unfold.

      [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      Let their ex-wives red pill them the hard way I guess. No sense in white knighting for bluepillers who don't accept your help. The best you can do is lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

      [–]BobbyPeru 45 points46 points  (3 children)

      I stopped reading as soon as her hamster went into overdrive

      [–]abolishpmo 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      Wife: Not when I shift my hamstering into MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      First paragraph is a tell all.

      [–]Future96 45 points46 points  (6 children)

      Just look at the comments. They're all saying the money belongs to both of them, even though she contributed nothing to it.

      [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (5 children)

      Going to go against the grain. We know that women are emotional creatures - ignore what they say and watch what they do - so there's really no point in getting analytical about what she wrote in a panicked reddit post. Her ramblings aren't going to tell us much one way or the other.

      If the roles we're reversed, we'd say she's already cheating and for him to take his cut and bounce. That could be the situation here and the dude is covering his ass - smart move. The engineer fucked up by getting married without a pre-nup. Him offering a postnup is basically saying "sign or we're done" so he can cut his losses. I'd be impressed if she signs.

      [–]rraadduurr 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Spot on! There is no need to start women hating without reason.

      However the community in on a slippery slope, majority doesn't hold to trp values.

      [–]Frdl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I didn't take much from this post at all. All I see is a guy laying on thick dread game by asking for a post-nup and woman getting terrified that he's looking for a younger girl.

      [–]1ozaku7 36 points37 points  (19 children)

      You are completely misinterpreting what she is writing.

      I've never asked him for anything now that I wouldn't have asked before. I didn't ask him to buy me a new car or to support me if I quit my job. I've never gone on shopping sprees with his card or anything like that. It just hurts me and honestly I can't help but to think about how now that he's rich he could leave me tomorrow and hook up with some gorgeous 22 year old.

      It's not that she didn't ask for him to become rich, it's that she has never asked things that would require his wealth to get. That is exactly what she is writing. She didn't explicitly ask for that car, or a credit card to go on a shopping spree.

      Now you have to consider that this woman might actually really love the man for the feels he is giving her and that he has now broken her trust regarding his commitment, which in the end will bite him in the ass. If he was really clever, he would go to a lawyer and learn that pre or postnups are basically invalid and no sane woman would say "sure, it seems that you believe I will leave you, or you might be planning on leaving me, but yeah I will sign that paper that excludes me fucking you over, because why wouldn't I if I have the legal right and I hate your guts anyway at that point?"

      He fucked himself that he didn't get a prenup, he fucked himself again because of actually trying a postnup.

      [–]Psychocist 17 points18 points  (16 children)

      which in the end will bite him in the ass

      Marriage is a lose-lose situation for a guy. Regardless of what he does, it will ALWAYS bite him in the ass. Accept the reality of the shitty situation and stop hamstering.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yea, but his lawyer sees a 10year court fight with lots of $$$.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      TL;DR: "I don't feel like I would ever, ever, ever hurt him, but let's not get rid of the option."

      [–]gELSK 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      // , The truth of her intentions is in her pronouns.

      [–]Rudeyyyy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      So she does absolutely nothing to support him yet she's still going to get half? LOL how pathetic. He's protecting his assets and business because a divorce would only hurt it. Of course if his dumbass didn't get married in the first place then there would be no need for any of this. I can see the hamster spinning already trying to rationalize how she should get half. It's pathetic. I hope this guy opens his eyes.

      [–]troezz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      After some lawyer gave her some advice, this is OP's reply. OP's husband is about to get screwed.

      This is great advice, thank you. The thing is - I’m perfectly willing to sign a post up that would give me 45% of everything in case of a divorce (rather than 50% I would be entitled to now) if it meant protecting his businesses and giving him peace of mind. But I’m not gonna just sign everything away so I’m discarded as the starter wife. I stand to gain nothing by signing even a generous post up because I’ll get more without it, but I want to fight and keep my marriage.

      Just look at this number 45%. Scary.

      Edit: format

      [–]Banincoming 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      First response: "Now that BOTH of you are rich..."

      [–]RedPillFusion 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      This guy needs to exercise a lot more discretion with what he tells her. Embedded in his purpose is a self-protection against her, so there's no reason he should expect her to respond any other way.

      What I'd do in this situation is play off the post-nup on his business partners - tell her they don't want to get into bed with someone without protection from the risk of her potentially owning half of his portion of the business. He could even tell his wife that all of the business partners signed a contract doing the same. In doing this, he's given her a much more digestible foundation for making the decision, and hasn't created the new risk of a self-fulfilling prophecy with such a candid curveball.

      [–]3trplurker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I agree that he bungled this part completely. I'm thinking he just recently discovered how exposed his ass is, probably from an older successful man who shared a bit of mature wisdom about bored rich housewives and their propensity to cheat and divorce for cash and prizes. He overreacted and instead of going about this with a Machiavellian purpose he went directly for the solution without thinking how she would take it.

      It would of been far better for him to sell it as a business requirement that would bring in million of USD for them.

      [–]just_a_thought4U 40 points41 points  (56 children)

      California law says that half his income belongs to her. He has pretty well killed the marriage by asking for this and should just man up and get a divorce.

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        [–]just_a_thought4U 10 points11 points  (17 children)

        As soon as your income hits the bank it becomes an asset. If he made bank whilst married, then she gets half that bank...in California. California is a bad place to get divorced.

        [–]1GroundhogLiberator 30 points31 points  (35 children)

        Just man up and concede to the woman and give her half your shit undeservedly, am I right?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Or he could remain married, recognizing that she has zero incentive to sign a post-nuptial agreeement, and one of four things happens:

        1) They divorce and she walks away with at least half the assets 2) She outlives him and gets everything 3) He outlives her and he keeps everything for himself 4) They lose their money, which seems like it would bother him much more than it would bother her.

        [–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Unfortunately, that is the absolute best thing you can do. Take the hit right away....DO NOT drag it out in any anyway!

        The judges and lawyers lick their chops when they can create a contentious divorce.....they'll happily drag it out for 5 years $$$. They want you to [attempt to] hide cash, punch her in the face, and generally disagree on everything.

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        [–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 15 points16 points  (2 children)

        He'd have been a smarter man to not reveal his hand with a post-nup. That's a can of worms that overtly tells a woman "I don't trust you". He doesn't have to trust her, he may have been even smarter not to marry in the first place, but what he should have done was stashed his assets without her knowledge. Sure, she wouldn't be locked out of everything he made, but he could easily make himself an insurance policy in the form of a holding corporation and some cleverly disguised business assets that a woman wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole during a divorce. A lawyer and an accountant consulted in advance are a lot smarter than "I want a pre/post-nup"

        [–]Turkerthelurker 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        what he should have done was stashed his assets without her knowledge.

        Cryptocurrencies. The guy is in the tech industry too...

        Sounds like he complicated their relationship for fuck all.

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          [–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          Her measly salary helped pay rent

          You didn't read the post did you? She clearly stated that the guy was the one paying for everything before they even moved into the bigger house (that he paid for completely).

          Read the post again, she clearly outlined that she virtually bought nothing to the table other then her emotional/physical support.

          [–]Turkerthelurker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You just can't tell based off the description. She has said:

          He's always paid the majority of the bills, I'll admit that.

          That's basically the extent to which she talks about her financial contributions. Given that he makes twice than her (and is the man in what seems to be a traditional relationship) he pays the majority of bills. Makes sense.

          If you want to focus on raising our future kids, do that. I just want you to be happy". Music to my ears. I could write a book about how great this man is. We're planning on starting a family in 2018/2019. Things are really good right now.

          She then goes on to say many things supporting the idea that she wants to have his children, seems sincere, she really does love him right now.

          Of course that could change, we're talking about women afterall. I don't see how someone can read this description and think that she is at fault here, though.

          This guy is a MORON or he wants to end the relationship now. Only a dipshit would think he could casually bring up a post-nup, and not have that lead to a future of fights and mutual distrust.

          If he wanted to protect his assets, he should've started to hide some. But this conversation was only going to lead to problems.

          [–]2IVIaskerade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Sounds like a nice woman who got in early, didn't marry for money, etc.

          She does sound like that was who she was.

          But that was 6 years ago.

          [–]Psychocist 10 points11 points  (4 children)

          Loyal? I don't think her loyalty has been put to the test. How long have they been together?

          [–]cjmessier 15 points16 points  (3 children)

          6 years. Either she's a decent partner (read: loyal) or he's incapable of upgrading. From the success indicated previously, the latter is unlikely.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          I would absolutely bang hundreds of sluts who are attracted to me for my money (if I had millions of dollars). I cannot fathom how that would make for a long miserable life.

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            [–]ImYourMajesty 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Yo i read that yesterday and I was shocked. The only thing that was on my mind was the picture of her taking most of the husbands money after a few years. Like Jesus this guy gave you the life of a queen and you can't even sign some paper for his comfort. And these lawyers at the top comment (there were a few) all recommending her not to sign, wtf is up with those guys. Imagine them in the same situation probably begging for their wives to sign. This is some major blue pillness on their side. The only thing I can say is AWALT.

            [–]2Dmva100 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            This is like a beta going to a model and telling her he wants to impregnate her so no other guys can't have her and she'll be his forevaaarrrrrr.

            And then she says no she doesn't want to.

            Must go post in relationship subreddit and bemoan her lack of love for meeeee

            [–]UndergroundCEO 12 points13 points  (6 children)

            I'm going down the same path as him myself right now and tbh, I would never get married without a prenup in place in the first place. I hope my future wife doesn't take it as a sign of distrust, it's solely for peace of mind. That same peace of mind he gave you by making you both financially stable is the same piece of mind that he wants to ensure no one has the capability of making him financially unstable. He is doing the right thing. All financially successful people go to great lengths to protect their assets, and if they don't, they're probably not financially successful. Don't think of it as "I wouldn't hurt him, so he shouldn't need one". Think of it more as "I know I wouldn't hurt him, so it doesn't really make a difference to me if he gets one or not". Unless you are a snake in the tall grass then you shouldn't have any problem signing it. Again it's not a distrust thing it's an more of an insurance thing. People get fucked over by the ones they least expected all the time, and safety procedures only work if you follow them with everyone, everytime.

            [–]Trpogre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Why are you talking yourself into legal marriage?

            Most of my plates would have my children in a heartbeat and would love to live with me. Completely open about No Legal Marriage.

            Fix your frame... the right woman will not distrust you for talking about only ever living together (no legal marriage)... quite the opposite that she will feel very special to be with such a careful and discerning man.

            [–]aDrunkenWhaler 4 points5 points  (4 children)

            Prenups can get overthrown in court. They can be useless.

            [–]UndergroundCEO 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            Usually in cases where it wasn't solely one parties fault for the split up and when it is hard to determine who exactly at fault. If one parties malicious acts are solely responsible for the split up then the prenup will usually be enforced, so most shouldn't have a problem to worry about.

            [–]aDrunkenWhaler 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            She will lie, the court will believe her, the prenup will be thrown out. The end. Hoping it will not happen to you is a fool's errand. Like getting married in the first place.

            [–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            // , I looked it up. The legal standard for overthrowing a pre-nup is "onconscionability", and guess what the ruling history looks like for it?

            NOT GOOD

            https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/22457-studies-show-judicial-bias-against-dads

            [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 25 points26 points  (7 children)

            "and now all of a sudden I feel like he doesn't trust me because he has money."

            Ah... the old "trust me" smokescreen, always conveniently used to get something rather than to give something.

            I didn't ask him to buy me a new car or to support me if I quit my job. I've never gone on shopping sprees with his card or anything like that.

            But still - she had all bills paid and didn't have to contribute much.

            And now hubbie wants a post-nup before raising a family.

            Damned good plan, but it is unlikely to hold up in court. You can't even get a prenup to hold up if it's signed just before the wedding. Has to be shortly after proposing, otherwise it's seen as "springing this on her at the last second and she's forced to comply". I can't see a postnup working, especially if they then have kids.

            A smarter option is "I want to be with you, but we're getting a divorce to protect my assets". If she's ok with that she's not a gold digger. If she objects (and they always do), it's because they see the fortune as half hers already.

            It just hurts me and honestly I can't help but to think about how now that he's rich he could leave me tomorrow and hook up with some gorgeous 22 year old.

            hahaha well, she's right there.

            It's just a really sad feeling. He told me this a few days ago and it ruined my Xmas because I just can't get it out of my head. I would never, never, never hurt my husband even if our relationship ended so I don't feel the need for a postnup at all, but really I'm just sad.

            Would never never hurt husband........ but won't put it in writing.

            If things end between them, he'll lose millions from his hard work. And all for what? A woman.

            The crazy thing is that he paid for her.... and what he gets from that is the obligation to continue paying for her.

            Marriage has no upsides for men.

            [–]Turkerthelurker 2 points3 points  (5 children)

            Marriage has no upsides for men.

            Devil's advocate:

            The guy is a San Fran engineer, so probably not chad we're talking about here.

            For six years, she helped pay rent, presumably kept him sexually satisfied, invested prime(ish) years of her life to him. She's not staying with this guy if they aren't married, because this guy probably isn't redpill at all.

            If they aren't married, maybe he wastes his time chasing pussy. Maybe her paying rent, or doing things around the house, or cooking, or continually fucking him frees up that time for him to develop the side-businesses?

            Marriage has no upsides for men.

            I would argue in this case it does. Sounds like they're doing pretty fucking well financially. Even if he loses half.

            Most women worth having aren't going to stick around without a proposal for that long -- especially for billy beta the tech engineer. It's not like he was making that much. 110k salary in the bay is like 40k in Utah.


            If the guy was smart he would just start hiding assets. Asking for a post nup was never going to turn out well -- all a woman would think is that the guy is looking for the door / doesn't trust her.

            [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 8 points9 points  (2 children)

            For six years, she helped pay rent,

            According to her - he always earned more than her and paid most of the bills.

            . She's not staying with this guy if they aren't married, because this guy probably isn't redpill at all.

            This is true. She's trying to cash in.

            If they aren't married, maybe he wastes his time chasing pussy. Maybe her paying rent, or doing things around the house, or cooking, or continually fucking him frees up that time for him to develop the side-businesses?

            You've not lived with a woman have you?

            They are MORE work than living alone, not less.

            Marriage has no upsides for men.

            I would argue in this case it does

            No, you're missing my point. Cohabiting with a woman can have advantages. Dating has advantages. Being with a woman can have advantages. This arrangement with this woman clearly suited him.

            But that's not my point. My point is that marriage confers no benefit on the male. Her presence may have advantages. The legal construct of marriage is 100% one-sided.

            Most women worth having aren't going to stick around without a proposal for that long

            For beta males - yes.

            What you are saying is that men have to marry women to get them to stick around.

            That may be the case.... but I would argue if they pull this shit, it's time to get a new one.

            all a woman would think is that the guy is looking for the door / doesn't trust her.

            We shouldn't HAVE to trust women.

            He should just get the divorce. I can't see a postnup working out well for him. She'll resent him, and the courts probably won't uphold it. It's lose/lose.

            [–]Jonlife 7 points8 points  (4 children)

            Oh she won't sign it. Her hypergamous nature commands it. Every western woman today is an indoctrinated feminist whether they know it or not. And that she thinks she's entitled to half that money for simply opening her legs is hilarious.

            Why he even sat her down in the first place means that she's probably been acting different. Women love to give their side of the story and have mob rule over their partner without anyone hearing his side.

            Either way, he's an idiot for ever getting married in the first place. Most people cause their own misery (especially women). This guy is about to learn a hard lesson

            [–]hodltaco 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            Attempting to get a post-nup? You're fucked. Think about it-would you sign one?

            This should serve as a cautionary tale: ALWAYS get a pre-nup. 25, broke, and getting married? Get a FUCKING pre-nup. You have no idea where your life is headed so it's as important as condoms.

            Oh and if you're getting married...rethink that shit and just don't.

            [–]2Archterus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Agree. This guy has discharged both barrels into his own foot. First getting hitched, second this. It wont fly. Best bet is bail IF he is has his doubts before kids, and wrap it ASAP.

            [–]Meterus 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            I don't know how to feel about this. I talked with my best friend about it and both of us are just confused.

            I wonder if the friend is male or female.

            [–]xXMaGaMaNXx 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            If she feels she would never hurt him she should have no problem agreeing to a post nup. She comes off like she wants to be able rob him clean in the event of a divorce

            [–]MagnumBurrito 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            Ha! He married her. She's entitled to half of everything. It's his own fault.

            I will say.. well played now with the post-nup. Whatever happens.. she's going to give him some good ass loving until they separate.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            It's worse if she has kids. Smart guy to address this sooner than later.

            [–]Frdl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Asking for a post-nup is definitely not well played. She's not going to give it to him and just stirred up all kinds of shit. He should have just hidden his money!!

            [–]TimeBombCanarie 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            And of course, as per that shitty sub, the comments are all guiding her through the steps to take his money should he file for divorce.

            Having the right to spend YOUR money how YOU see it without having to share with someone who did comparatively little to earn it is this man's right. In no way should he be legally obligated to share his wealth with anyone outside of his business partners. But alas, that sub puts "feels" before practical realities every time.

            [–]AshyBoneVR4 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            and pursue something else. If you wanna go to school, go to school. If you want to focus on raising our future kids, do that.

            This man said to go to school, and get a job doing something else so you can support yourself.

            We're planning on starting a family in 2018/2019

            What a surprise, bitch chose to have kids and be taken care of rather then being able to put her self in a position where she can happily support herself and kids if she needs to. It's sad that most women would rather chose to be taken care of than to better themselves. Yet they turn around and bitch and moan about money but as soon as you ask them about school or education they say that's not for me, or some shit like that.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            right now I feel like...I would never, never hurt my husband.

            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

            This was also posted to Hacker News (which is not a website about hacking, mostly programming topics). The white knight beta cucks and entitled feminists are out in full force representing tech adequately. rolls eyes

            [–]Psychocist 16 points17 points  (2 children)

            It's sad to see my programming brethren fall for it. Oh well. Save yourself. That's all you can hope for.

            [–]1htbf 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            Jesus man, just give an archive link. It's a pita to find the topic from mobile and I like reading the comments.

            [–]boogalooshrimp1103 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It was the very top post when I looked just now

            [–]PhantomNishobrah 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            Honestly he's fucking stupid and deserves what's coming to him. If he was planning on splitting as soon as he made it big, he shouldn't have gotten married in the first place.

            And honestly it's a complete slap in the face to the wife. I really hope she doesn't sign a damn thing.

            [–]destraht 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I'll admit that.

            I've only read this far yet but its obvious that a huge hamster justification is coming for how she is going to bleed him.

            [–]majorketone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I legitimately wanted to throw up reading that shit. This mix of anger and depression phases is making the pill digestion difficult

            [–]bumbuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This isn't a RP piece to discuss. It's more about men's rights in family court.

            He got rich post wedding. There's nothing RP about the situation. He's just tired of being married while rich.

            The woman is acting reasonable given the circumstances . Even if she's going to take half their money. Everything post wedding is shared.

            The only thing about this that's RP is highlighting why not to get married. Even if your salary is average it might change later.

            [–]cjmessier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            HE earned the money. She may have facilitated his doing so but that's purely speculative.

            I am saying if this guy is deciding to protect himself only so that he can move on and act however he wants (I.e cheat on a girl who's worth it) it is not a stand-up move.

            Asset protection for its own sake is noble and wise. Doing so to cover your ass only to proceed to leave her in the dust is not something I'd be proud of on my deathbed, personally.

            [–]Chmmrgat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Perhaps he could throw a large sum of money into an off shore account or 'invest' the money into something easily liquidatable.

            [–]ExposeTheFAUX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Just because society pays it less than someone in a technology field does not mean you are any less of a valued and important member of this society. If anything I would argue that what you choose to do is more important.

            An entire family of hamsters was needed for this post.

            [–]trrptrrp 6 points7 points  (8 children)

            So she had her fun when 15-25. Now she leeches off a working man who provides for her for free. But ofc thats not enough. She also wants the right to half of his success. Sickening.

            [–]chopyhop 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            This guy's future is already looking bleak. The top rated comment from a lawyer told her she doesn't have to sign it. If things end between them, he'll lose millions from his hard work. And all for what?

            Marriage might as well be a business partnership. The idea of post nup in this situation is stupid; if you were in a business partnership which suddenly exploded, you wouldnt sign away your half for nothing.

            He is acting like a total cunt even offering it to her.

            [–]francisco_DANKonia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            A post-nup is not a very smart plan. Asking for something for nothing will not go well with anyone. I'm sure there are much better ways to protect your assets.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This is the plot of the original “Christmas carol” if anyone noticed

            [–]OhhDatDogOMine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Let this be a lesson to all the morons here who supposedly "swallow the pill" yet still end up getting married. It used to be rule 1 on TRP, repeated every day.

            DON'T GET MARRIED YOU RETARDS

            [–]3trplurker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            No, Rule #1 on TRP was "make yourself happy first". For the vast majority of men that means no marriage.

            [–]WolfeC93 3 points4 points  (8 children)

            He should be falsifying expenditures, hire on his brother or mother someone he trusts no nub for a easy job with unheard of pay. House Cleaner: 200k a year, Car Washer 200k a year, Personal shopper 500k a year, under contract 2 years paid upfront. The tax implication are hefty but it gets the assets out of his name and into another with a paper trail, she can try and fault him for X reason but she can't take what HE doesn't have.

            [–]NYCSPARKLE 5 points6 points  (7 children)

            This would never hold up, and would put you at risk for fraud / hiding assets.

            The only way to hide assets before a divorce is small ATM withdrawals over a year or two that you put in a safe deposit box at a small community bank in another city or state. And that would maybe get you, like, $20k.

            The best way to protect your assets is not get married.

            [–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            There already exist a top post on here on how to hide your money written by an accountant.

            The solution is to own multiple bank accounts across many countries and just move money in and out until it confuses the shit out of the accountant.

            You want to introduce as much doubt on your true networth as you possibly can.

            [–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            // , You have not been blessed with ex-IRS agents as your tax counsel, have you.

            Step up your game if you want to win, bro. You're from NYC. You should know how this works.

            [–]SparkyMcGhee 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Post-nup? This is the first time I have ever heard of it. Honey, I am thinking of dumping you, however, I don't want it to be too expensive. It looks like I am going to make a boatload next year and I am a little concerned about you raping me in divorce court. Here, sign this

            [–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            // , Better he lose half his millions now than lose half his 10 millions later.

            I think he's taking the right approach.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Seems like the guy can put all of his assets in a trust or "business" with multiple partners which she is not a part of, if she will not sign.. or something like that (I'm not a CPA).

            Every state's law varies on this sort of thing, but my understanding is that there are ways to protect ones self. You just need to be clever.

            [–]etherealembryo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            If hes been paying the bills where does her money go? Saved up? 60k a year? 1000 dollar checks into savings all at once? Damn living the dream!!

            [–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            // , Read the comments if you want to get a sense for it:

            http://archive.is/99vxk

            [–]Redditology101 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Is the takeaway message here to always do prenup?

            [–]jefecaminador1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is one of the dumber posts I've seen on this sub. Guy was just a regular dude, got married and then struck it rich. If he had won the lotto instead and wanted a post-nup, nobody would even hesitate to call him an idiot.

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