Red Pill TheoryRevisiting absolute don't s of dating and relationships (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by ajayhemant

  1. Never discuss future or financial worries unless she is your wife.
  2. Never answer calls or messages immediately
  3. Never ever tell her that you love her deeply, never write too romantic letters , messages etc.
  4. Want to express love? Say 'I like you' and stop don't glorify love too much. Women are romantic but internally in their imagination not outside.
  5. Never depend on your woman for emotional support or entertainment (Except sex). Never become a joker to her. She must also entertain you and capture your attention. Fucking a boring girl is worst experience in life. Buy one instead.
  6. ‎Never send two messages in a row or call again twice. Avoid all greetings, good morning texts, good night text etc absolutely.
  7. ‎No need to reply silly messages or complaining or bitching or whatever shit tests they present to you from time to time.Women are a lot more accommodating than you can imagine.
  8. Remember shit tests never end. They just become more subtle.
  9. ‎Never react to their bitching. Either shrug them or change topic.
  10. Why giving money gifts etc is bad for relationships? It's a beta trait. It proves that you need more to impress her.You are not enough.Your quality of ideas and class is indeed your most potent weapon. Women stick like a glue to men who have functional knowledge of life and street smartness (Since they lack these most in their lives).
  11. Why women inherently play games? Because she had no other option to attract men nor has any other intellectual quality and techniques. Mind games are emotional things requiring very less intelligence but high sixth sense and understanding of human behavior. Women are perpetual masters in manipulating emotions of men.

PS : Replace never with 'never ever'.

More common beta traits (Checklist)

  1. Asking nudes
  2. ‎Good morning Good evening texts.
  3. ‎Waiting for her more than 5 minutes while going out.
  4. ‎Stalking her and letting her know. Spying her and asking questions about her whereabouts, routine etc. (If she wanna fuck some other guy, she can and will fuck. You can't stop her!)
  5. ‎Picking all phone calls on priority
  6. ‎Changing your plans to suit hers
  7. ‎Asking or seeking approval
  8. ‎Asking her opinion about sex after sex
  9. ‎Giving her more importance than she deserves.
  10. ‎Replying instantly to text messages

[–]ajayhemant[S] 256 points257 points  (11 children)

Rules are for rookies, starters, novices. These are guidelines. As you become real expert, all rules end and it becomes your immediate second nature. Rules give you confidence. Confidence gives you expertise. Expertise free you from rules.

[–]Denver_Luv3 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Rules are for rookies, starters, novices. These are guidelines

Agreed. They're useful for beginners, but I would reply to some of them...

Want to express love? Say 'I like you' and stop don't glorify love too much. Women are romantic but internally in their imagination not outside

If I've been seeing someone for a few months, I often tell her I love her during sex, but then never bring it up again. Not sure why I do this (perhaps because the illusion that sex is meaningful can work on me?), but it seems to create interesting dynamics. I may have a post on this later...

Never send two messages in a row or call again twice. Avoid all greetings, good morning texts, good night text etc absolutely

Not always; there is such a thing as recovery texts. Tom Torero for example writes about them.

Remember shit tests never end. They just become more subtle

Shit tests may eventually become comfort tests. This statement betrays a person who hasn't hit advanced level yet...

Why giving money gifts etc is bad for relationships? It's a beta trait

Again, see my link above. For novice guys this is good advice but for relationships longer than a couple weeks it isn't always right. As I say in the essay, it's about earning gifts and also about comfort tests.

Asking nudes

Somewhat agree here, but learn basic photography and then shoot your own nudes. More satisfying and the quality is better. Chicks look best right after sex and orgasm, so that's the time to do it.

Many of the rest of are good.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True. One post can't cover all the points. Life is conditional. Relationships have stages. These are basic guidelines. You have to learn and conceive your own rules and path.

[–]viejoconreuma -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If I've been seeing someone for a few months, I often tell her I love her during sex,

This is crazy. I never say the L word. Yes, can't even write it. Maybe I told it 2 times, to my ex-wife. That's why she's an ex, ha!

[–]DamnDatAssSoFine 1 points1 points [recovered]

I definitely see the point in this, though of course there are subtlies.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. They are subtle, they are invisible, they are indirect. Just playing around with evolutionary biology.

[–]anchodespada 1 points1 points [recovered]

When you finally get it, you can say I love you in the first sentence ever spoken to her and not only not suffer negative consequences but actually you may gain advantage from it. Words are nothing but a tool to communicate, in the case of gaming, sexual emotions. What really matters is delivery. Don Juan game is real. Girls inherently know Don Juan is lying when he says he loves them and will marry them. Don Juan knows they know and doesn't try very hard at all to hide the fact he's lying. Yet none of it stops the tingles, because Don Juan gets it. Words aren't beta. You are.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. Seduction is a long process with many ifs and buts. I can't summarize all in a post. This post is just a guideline for those whom other methods don't work. Don Juan was a natural. He had that inherent confidence. But for many, just to gain that confidence and style takes time. I wrote in a comment that all rules end for experts. But you start with rules to gain confidence and expertise. You need to crawl before you can walk. If you are running now doesn't mean everyone is.

[–]Flaerndep 1 points1 points [recovered]

I honestly feel like this is more important that your OP, and in a way should be sidebar shit. Too many fucktards here think there is a "redpill way" that boil down to some bullet points chatue heartiste or rollo wrote 6 years ago and can't wrap their tiny little heads around the fact that doing it gives you the cred to be it, sans rules.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ultimately you have to create your own rules out of these guidelines.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well said m8, well said.

And to gain actual expertise, you gotta apply the rules, fail and internalize the possible exceptions. Over time you will develop an instinct when you can break the rules.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Real fun begins when you have your own rules.

[–]Lambdal7 159 points160 points  (42 children)

This list is a bit silly. Have you ever been in a relationship?

Never ever tell her that you love her deeply, never write too romantic letters , messages etc.

Want to express love? Say 'I like you' and stop don't glorify love too much. Women are romantic but internally in their imagination not outside.

These will make a women leave you for emotional unavailability. Read Sex God Method.

EDIT: The answer here is to say 1/3 less than her. She says "I love you". Ok, cuddle her. She says "I love you" again. Say her name like "Allice!" with a smile. She says "I love you" a third time or "I love you so much", say I love you back.

But it's definitely not never.

EDIT2: Ok, this list is the hardcore list of "The do's and don'ts if you want her to be in a relationship with you". If you tone down each point, it's somewhat useful.

[–]informationsilo 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Agreed - many men confuse being outcome independent with being a brick wall with no emotion. Crucial distinction. You gotta give some back or she will walk. This is true with all human interactions, not just dating.

I think the defense of this post is that it serves as a "paradigm shift" for red pill beginners. Guys who are used to "winning" over girls with approval-seeking behavior (taught by movies, beta dads, etc.) need to swallow the red pill of reality which is that both women and men prefer a man that is non-needy and unattached -- that being aloof will actually help them win the girl over (i.e. the counter-intuitive reality).

[–]BullshittingNonsense 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah this whole part reads very autistic. Obviously don’t be needy, but that doesn’t mean be a robot.

[–]strikethrough123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"She'll leave if I say I don't love her back because I don't? OH NO! Anything but her leaving!"

Let her leave, there's more where that came from.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"Well, HOW MUCH do you love me?"!!! It's a bottomless pit of emotional need.

[–]Thrawy124 16 points17 points  (6 children)

You have to adapt these things. If a woman says she loves you a few times she will probably leave you when you don't say anything back yes, but anyone with half a brain can see how they can apply these guidelines to their life.

[–]Lambdal7 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah, except OP puts this at the end to make it crystal clear.

PS : Replace never with 'never ever'

[–]Zech4riah 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've never said "I love you" back to the women. Usually they say it couple of times without getting the response they would like to have (me answering "I love you") and then they ask why I don't say it back. Then I give my talk about the way I love a woman.

The basic principle is that I don't fall in love in the romantic disney way (lucky me - makes life so much easier). At some point I "start to love" which means that I start to care more about woman somewhere after dating 1,5 years or more. I'd like to call it connection or some level of attachment instead of love.

Usually when women hear this they will be upset from couple of hours to couple of days and then they swallow the truth and come happily back. Not a single women has left me after giving this talk.

Anyway, it's easy to agree with you, we all must find our own way (adapt)how to deal with this matter. This is my way (because this is what I truly feel and think) and it seems to be working.

[–]Neo_Trunks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"My women" (plural) "not a single woman has left me"

  • if you had more than one relationship, at least 1 of them ended, so your method isn't exactly bulletproof.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The entire list fails comfort tests. It's good rules for noobs, but noobs shouldn't do LTRs and thus don't have to deal with comfort tests.

[–]FearBreaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can confirm this, I had a relationship with girl. She left me because I followed almost identical list and she felt unloved.

[–]truedemocracy3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have seen many boyfriends and husbands overuse the I love you line almost daily and the women have a look of disgust on their face. Agree, 1/3rd rule is good. Also, leaving notes behind and stuff like that (when used sparingly) is a gold mine

[–]ActuallyARaptor 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think this is more in regards to casual dating than long term situations

[–]Lambdal7 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It's neither, because when you tell girls you're looking for a relationship right now or you want to keep it casual, you don't need to do any of the above list, not being available for a relationship puts your smv at the highest possible that you don't need any of those.

[–]ActuallyARaptor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

this is the only place on the internet where I don't come to argue, so let me say this:

take everything with a grain of salt on here, (except the core tenets. those work) incorporate what sounds good and works. if something doesn't work, find out why, and grow a stronger man from it

[–]Lambdal7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but 50% or more guys on this sub take absolutes like this absolutely to heart.

[–]1ozaku7 57 points58 points  (0 children)

In summary, women want a man that has his own life, doesn't make her a priority but someone who is welcome and only rewards her bitching and nagging with becoming less interested in her and doesn't nag or bitch towards her. They want a man, not a boy. End of story.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This list is great list for teenagers.

As an adult male, I can make and break every single one of these - when and how I choose - and it makes no difference in my trajectory with a female.

[–]TruthSeekaaaaa 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Avoid all greetings, good morning texts, good night text etc absolutely.

I recently become aware of these. I always enjoy a good night/morning text but I realized it is just a hollow routine, without any meaning. What I should focus instead are actions and general behaviours as good indicators of her commitment

[–]PM_BOOBS_FOR_PUPPIES 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Personally, I prefer to mix it up to keep them guessing.

Text her "good morning" for 4-5 days in a row and then stop. I promise you'll get asked about it.

[–]bickisnotmyname 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Okay why would you not say goodnight or good morning? I don’t consider myself particularly beta, perhaps many years ago. I do still text goodnight and good morning to girls I have an actual interest in. I don’t text that to the lesser plates.

[–]TruthSeekaaaaa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's all about the routine. Obv is very pleasant to see a msg from your loved one, but be aware of the routine thing. If you say goodnight/good morning you expect her to do pretty much the same. And if she doesn't you could begin to think why she didn't...

[–]DamnDatAssSoFine 1 points1 points [recovered]

Don’t mean to necessarily cause you any cognitive dissonance, but many of these “absolutes” that you’ve mentioned directly negate the reality I’m seeing.

I can’t help but feel that these “rules” will make for an inflexible man.

Do you see what I’m saying?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

TRP's greatest mistake is promoting absolutes. There's great wisdom here and OP said it best in the comments - rules are for rookies. Everything comes with experience, and you've got to find out what works and doesn't work for yourself. These will always vary relationship to relationship.

For example, a girl I'm seeing now needs dread game to stay tethered. In my mid-20's, I dated a brazilian nanny and it was the complete opposite, but that's how their culture works. She treated me like a king, the sex was incredible, and then she moved back to her country and we went on with our lives. Constant communication was our reason for success. If TRP was followed to the letter, the relationship would have never gotten airborne. Find out what works for you in your life, and shape your rules how you see fit.

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel 52 points53 points  (3 children)

I agree. Many people here may (and will) disagree with me, but a good LTR is about more than you being the stern top alpha dog. A girl needs to feel at least some emotional response from you for a relationship. If you're not willing to become a little flexible then perhaps an LTR isn't the right choice.

I'm not saying to give up all of your RP philosophy in an LTR, far from it. But you need to have substance under your solid shell to form a connection, which is what an LTR is all about.

[–]informationsilo 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I agree that women need “substance” to be fulfilled but it’s all a question of how you communicate and frame your desire for a girl.

Most men have a mindset that they keep a girl by supplication and accommodation - answering eagerly, giving gifts, doing what she wants. Women resent this “trying to please” mindset and it backfires.

Men who have a consistently genuinely selfish and non-needy mindset can occasionally do something nice - take her out for a spontaneous dinner date, give her some small gift, pick flowers, etc- and it will be MORE cherished by the woman that a needy guy buying her a car. Frame matters - a sexy alpha buying her a small coffee at Starbucks and sayings “you like cute this afternoon” is more satisfying to the average woman than a gross, needy beta giving her expensive furs and a romantic poem.

So,build a strong, non-needy frame to win her heart and then sprinkle in small, spontaneous gestures if you feel like it.

Also, show connection via strong sex drive. The highest compliment for a woman is to be desired. She loves feeling sexy and wanted. Initiating sex and showing strong sexual attraction shows a substantive connection to a LTR via ACTIONS not WORDS. An alpha man having spontaneous rooftop sex with his LTR is better than a thousand beta male poems.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (1 child)

and it will be MORE cherished by the woman

That and a quarter will get me what? A gumball?

This is why men get so fucked over in relationships. They have no fucking idea why they do them. A hundred years ago it was simple to understand--get married, get assured access to pussy and some assurances of paternity, and in return you provide. These days? Why? Because she will "cherish" you?

[–]informationsilo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Point taken, modern LTRs are borderline pointless compared to previous eras. They are a bad deal. However, this whole thread assumes that a man wants an LTR and is trying to keep it. In this context, it's best to be instinctively non-needy but give rewards occasionally.

[–]TheVeryWorstLuck 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

[–]DamnDatAssSoFine 1 points1 points [recovered]

You can do half of these points ironically for the amusement of both parties.

[–]beta_no_mo 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I love doing this when plates get all pouty over how they can't have exclusivity.


They either giggle or get pissed, but it helps to shut down the topic completely.

[–]DamnDatAssSoFine 1 points1 points [recovered]

I’m a little confused. Would you mind clarifying what you’re saying here?

[–]reddttt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

When a plate of his shittests him about wanting exclusivity, he says that. He treats the topic and this need of his plates like a joke.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 19 points20 points  (2 children)

While you set up your checklist I relax in the company of women. They seem to like intelligent men, with low body fat percentage that isn't pushed around by a small girl. Improve yourself and you don't have to make a huge checklist of learned behaivors.

[–]ajayhemant[S] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Improve means what? Provide them with loads of gifts and money? Or what? Six packs, career or what else? As you go up higher up on the ladder, you meet women who know too much about these games. Anyway good luck with your chicks. Thanks you illuimunated us that you are having a gala time and still get time to read and comment on our foolish ideas. As long as you get chicks, you don't need to linger on RP. Rules are for those who still find it tough. I hope you are reading this on bed with your hottie. Good luck and I wish you more luck and chicks. You are a master man.

[–]pookie513 16 points17 points  (7 children)

I had an ex I'd check in with sexually, for the feedback. Why assume I was good, if she wasn't afraid to tell me what she needed to get off?

[–]jonib0ni 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Because good sex is ultimately about male enjoyment, even for women.

She will get much more turned on by you pounding her hard and grunting like an animal than you licking her pussy for 30 minutes.

[–]pookie513 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Tho as men, mastery includes knowing your partners kinks as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This, good luck keeping a girl around with only you getting off because you put in zero effort. Tbh it's also just pathetic that a guy could be that selfish. It's fun to make girls have fun.

[–]pookie513 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women are naturally codependent. Us enjoying them gives them more too feed off of, energy wise. Toss in the fact they, like most human beings, want to be good lovers too. They want to enjoy, and be enjoyed. Savage, pure instinctual sex is good, mixed in. Hell, it's all instinct, really.

[–]PhaedrusHunt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She will get much more turned on by you pounding her hard and grunting like an animal than you licking her pussy for 30 minutes.

Sex should be a symphony and not a metal song my friend. Beethoven was probably more alpha than Lemmy or Gene Simmons.

What I'm saying is do both. Lick her pussy like no one ever has. Then pound her and turn into a werewolf

[–]urethra_franklin_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This literally could not be less true.

[–]nitro91 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I'm guessing everyone in here is single... this is ridiculous lol!

4 years with my girlfriend and have not followed any of these silly rules!

[–]Bhagubhai 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Me neither lol. Just because you express your love to your SO doesn't mean you're a beta. If she's a feminazi, she'll dominate you regardless and at that point you're the one at fault to date a feminazi to begin with. Not every female wants to promote feminism or is a hardcore feminist.

[–]dotwav2mpfree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even the ones that say they believe in things like 'women's liberation' or #metoo will cave under a proper trp approach. One must identify their 'dominant' actions/directives and invalidate them by ignoring them completely. Hold frame, fuck them blind, and they will start shaving regularly and messaging how they can't stop thinking about you. I hate to say that I have willingly gotten involved with one, but so far the experience makes a good field test. I'll do a report if anyone is interested. Stay tuned and pray for me. I know the risks.

[–]ShinobiKrow 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I feel sorry for anyone who actually follows all these rules. There's a lot you don't know about people, apparently. Once you become a robot yourself, you're doomed.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am sorry to hear. The problem is that all these are derived from experience and that too from so called 'very nice and good at heart simple girls'. Nicer a girl looks, shittier will be her tests. It's amazing but true. I call this information as relationship quotient. RQ is pretty low for pretty women. They never need to learn and hence never learn or bother to learn.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What about stalking her and not letting her know? Is that still beta?

[–]ajayhemant[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yes. It is beta. Stalking means you believe you are not best for her. Confidence is belief in self. It shows on your behavior and body language. Again stalking is different from gaining information to learn about her. Stalking is obsession.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It was a joke but thanks for the sperg sesh

[–]Blueeyeddd 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I can’t see how this works with a gf, sex or fling yeah. But for the long term I can’t see how this will work. But maybe it does, I haven’t tried that. Of course some things I agree with but the part where you shouldn’t say more then I like you.

[–]PhaedrusHunt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. Nothing wrong with showing a woman that you care about some affection. They like that so long as you also know how to slap them on the ass and take control.

[–]Werewolf35b 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The thing is to keep treating her like a gf. It will work forever. That's the idea. When you ltr her, you change and get beta, and it goes bad. These lists basically show you to keep acting like she's new, and she will too.

[–]Blueeyeddd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But not know the guy at all, that won’t create an emotional bond

[–]JaspersChest 1 points1 points [recovered]

  1. Eating pussy on a Friday night

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha ha...true , I missed that..

[–]victordmor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I want to go further and say that you NEVER EVER discuss future or financial worries, even if she is your wife.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha ha... Yes true in today's era.

[–]LandericusTheAmoral 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I guess I'm luckier than most. I only have 1 rule: Be sexy. Nothing else matters if the girl you want just wants to jump your bones. But I look a lot like Trevor Noah, so I guess that's why it works for me. I've even tested it out. Be a douche, be kind, be arrogant, be rude, be yourself, be boring asf, be funny. None work better or worse than the others, but being myself is easiest.

In all honesty though, your biggest issue is probably how you perceive women. Women are humans and are just as varied as men. If you read "dos and don'ts" but written from a woman's perspective, you'll notice it's generic and stereotypes all men to have the same reactions to the same social stimuli. Some men like being told "I love you", some don't give a shit. Some men go Full Boyle, some are uninterested in monogamy. The exact same goes for women.

Number 11 is fucking retarded. Women aren't psychic, and all humans (male and female) have 5 senses or less. Women don't understand human behaviour better than men. There is no such thing as a master when it comes to manipulation. The "manipulated victim" willingly behaves the way the "manipulator" wants. Just don't be a pushover and "masters at manipulating emotions" are irrelevant.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I was like you only. Be yourself. Yes it kinda works when women loves you since beginning. But if that's not the case and you want a common denominator of all women, these rules always work. Women don't understand human behavior better than men, true. But they do have acute sixth sense. Since childhood they read men and their intentions. That's why wrong approach screws things up easily. Lastly some people are naturally attractive to women. We can them naturals. They don't need much game same as very attractive women don't need it.

[–]LandericusTheAmoral 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I doubt you were like me. My point was that you don't need to be yourself, you don't need to be a douche, you don't need to be nice. Your behaviour, especially in conversation, is not as important as your sexual attractiveness.

Here is an anecdote: I'm at work and a customer says to a female co-worker: "You should thank your mom for those curves." She was totally repulsed by the man and the compliment. I then told her: "You would've enjoyed it if I had told you the same thing." She giggled and told me: "Well yeah, of course."

The difference between me and the customer is that she is sexually attracted to me and she thought the customer was ugly.

Have you ever actually spoken to a woman? Why do you think women have some sort of special power? Women and men are bound by the same laws of nature and there is no such thing as a sixth sense. It's that simple. You have to understand that what you are saying is no different than saying: "Women can spit fire and conjure demons." It's complete nonsense.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes it's complete non sense to you but not to the customer with whom she was repulsed. What that customer could have done or said to get that girl? That's seduction. You don't need to seduce people who are naturally attracted to your charms. It's otherwise. The complete non sense to you would make a lot of sense to that customer. Again in places you have been rejected , it will make sense. These methods work and work well. If I say they work and you say they don't, it makes no difference to their veracity.

[–]LandericusTheAmoral 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You don't understand what I am saying. You are confusing things, the idea that women have a sixth sense is complete nonsense. It isn't nonsense that there is some things the man could've done to make himself attractive to my former coworker. The example served to illustrate that sexual attractiveness is more important than the way you behave in a relationship, because it will change how she reacts to your behavior.

It doesn't matter if you're needy if the girl you're in a relationship with wants to have sex with you. Proper hygiene is a lot more important in a relationship than the speed at which you respond to a text or the types of gifts you give her.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's all about perspective. I am talking about objective changes and you are talking about subjective changes. Again it's all about perspective. None is wrong and both methods work. There can be endless testimony about not applying texting rules and relationships going haywire. It's all about ways. All ways lead to same God. You have to choose the best available and suitable for your personality.

[–]youkickmyd0g 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The instant replies, I agree in principle. I'm weak figuring out how to communicate to young girls that I don't text beyond a spergy declaration. Normally they're too dumb to figure it out, and start getting aggressive and saying I'm using them because I'm totally present when we hang and then in their view I'm texting little so I must not like them.

I think I'm improving, but that's why I cast doubt on that one item. It's more of a problem with Tinder girls than ones I meet IRL too, I guess that's inherent. I think T will self-select for bigger addicts, and also just starts the relationship with texting.

It kills me that attraction dies after every single first date because of texting even with a multi-O lay, and that the girls leave me pissed off (contrast to glowing after the first date, wanting to stay in touch). I don't want to piss people off, I'd be happier if they just ghosted... but my not texting after actually makes them mad, which makes me think maybe they saw me as a provider and paid the pussy and feel screwed.

I consistently check texts 2-4x daily, if they reply right back I might spend 5 minutes on my phone and leave for a few hours again.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It kills me that attraction dies after every single first date because of texting even with a multi-O lay

Yeah this is really irritating, the nature of women, especially young women. They've developed such shitty attitudes and behavior. I really have a growing contempt for women due to tendencies exactly like what you described.

[–]CalculatingWolf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I really need to develop point 10! Any tips?

[–]Math_3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I understand the "don't pick up or answer immediately", but what do you do for the good morning/good night texts? What if it's something she does every single day?

[–]ajayhemant[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have to end texting first. You have to show control. I never replied the GN text and go to sleep. No one bothers. If each one forms a cycle of responses, it would never end! Good night means it's over. Go to sleep and let her think about you!

[–]thefisherman1961 0 points1 point  (1 child)

this list is super aspie. yeah they’re good points but it’s not always a good idea or practical to do all of these things all the time.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are guidelines. These are concepts. These are roadmaps. You can and must apply your own experience curated according to your personality.

[–]Moolg86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mmm fresh out of a relationship, just the slap to my face that I needed

[–]red_matrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better yet, just read Pook and end it.

[–]Jacob_exe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

can someone explain the thought process behind the not saying goodnight

what is so bad about saying "goodnight"? Never heard this one before, thanks

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‎Picking all phone calls on priority

What does this mean? I pick everything based on priority.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"Never depend on your woman for emotional support or entertainment (Except sex). Never become a joker to her. She must also entertain you................" What?

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On dates, don't try to be too funny. She must also capture your attention. Relationship is in between equals. If your are bored, you are bored. Leave the date. If you continue even after getting bored, she can read this in your body language. It means you are needy for sex and are not looking for good time. Ability to say know to women who are not compatible, boring is again one of biggest Alpha trait. Inadvertently women can read this from far. Willingness to walk away from a unhealthy relationship (date) shall always give you extreme confidence and much better options.

[–]DotaMeme 1 points1 points [recovered]

Some of these seems like pretty good points, but others seem pretty far out from my experience. Talking about sex after sex can make it more enjoyable for both parties and even future parties. Why do you think that's bad?

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Taking about sex isn't bad. Asking for validation is. If you go on asking " How was it honey?" It means you know it wasn't good. You don't ask whether sun rises in East? She must ask you whether you enjoyed time with her. That's Alpha.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good night is unnecessary text. Suppose you had a hour long chat with her. She says good night. It's all. She is sleepy, you are sleepy, you had nice talk, now go to sleep, or do something else which is productive. Reply of good night is good night in personal setting in real life. You can say good night and end. What I really oppose is the silly idea of texting just for a good night only. You only text her good night with no previous texts. That's ultimate beta. She is not your boss. Bidding adieu's after a conversation is not same as sending single good night text. However I oppose both. I don't advocate ending texts. I advocate continuing conversation. If you end by good night, you have to start by good morning. Two more lines of separation. Good nights are good for formal realtionships.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not picking her calls on priority. If you are doing some important assignment and she is calling you because she is feeling bored, don't pick. If something is really important, she will call again, simple. If you leave all your work, assign entertaining her as your prime job, your shall be doomed sooner than later. Girls keep testing you. Sometimes they ruminate later and then rationalize your behavior as a beta trait. "Oh he was talking to me for one hour mid day. He has no other work more important than me. Let's find someone who has a real bigger passion in life and better goals". This is the main reason is several sudden out of the blue dumping by girls and creates maximum oneitis and heart break.
They keep adding your beta traits and spill the beans in the last moment. You often get perplexed. What the hell happened? They always punish you only once and too hard.

[–]desi_swagger 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you an Indian bro? I am and I need to have some clarity on Indian scene. Let me know if I can PM you.

[–]NullIsUndefined 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't find the "never reply too fast to texts" to be that important. At least you can sometimes. Don't reply all the time very fast because that conveys needyness. But if you are like trying to setup a plan/dinner with them its fine.

Also for women you have just met, waiting far too long like days to send a first text or reply can be bad because they can lose interest over time. You want to show you are interested but not incredibly needy.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a fine balance in everything. You must know your balancing point. Rules are to aggravate attraction and not kill it! You need to monitor progress.

[–]truedemocracy3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In terms of 'I love you' this is something I gained from experience and cringe when I see men say it all the time. When men say it to their women frequently THEY HATE IT. Of course if you don't say it enough you get the 'Do you love me, you don't say it' shit test. Amused mastery works here. That doesn't mean you shouldn't say the term, but really show it in different ways.

Disagree on written notes - this can make a woman Slip N Slide wet. Again, the key is this stuff should NOT be frequent. The turn on comes from the surprise, which isn't the case if it happens even semi-regularly.

The not responding to good night/good morning texts is a bit much. Solid advice when starting out. In a LTR though you can go ahead and do it (with a delay).

Agree with majority of the list though, and all of it if we are talking a relationship for less than a year.

[–]photoshopedkittens 0 points1 point  (1 child)

New here, but I used to send good morning texts to my last gf a lot. Are good morning/night texts ever good?

[–]ajayhemant[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't send nude good morning text with no other content or purpose. You can say hey good morning, what about meeting today. Sending only gm text makes you beta and needy. She is not your boss. You are her lover. Why formalities in love? I don't advice formality in love and dating.

[–]TheHustlingWizard 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No wonder you boys get dropped and become bitter. Y'all robots. Quality women do exist dummy.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes they do. 10%. And about getting dropped...LOL...Red pillers get maximum girls. Any one can testify.

[–]TheHustlingWizard -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Stay on that pimping shit. Red piller talk big talk.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha ha ... At least not from my experience. But yes all the red pillers are not fuckboys or Chads. And again as a rule of red pill it's useless to explain red pill to a woman. We talk about real psychology. We have learnt it by experience with those 'quality' women you are referring too. Again to remove your misconception 'we don't get dropped by women', we get bored by them. This is the change red pill bring in men. They stop becoming followers and start becoming selectors. Obviously women don't like their power taken away.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why women inherently play games? Because she had no other option to attract men nor has any other intellectual quality and techniques

Wot? Any woman can attract some sort of man simply by possessing a slime hole between her legs. Her ultimate option was installed at conception.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yes...apart from that...if a man is half interested in her or is drifting places...she will play mind games.

[–]30fretibanezguy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

These are excellent guidelines and remind me of the benefit TRP has been to me over 4 years - i read some of these and think "nah I prefer to do this a little differently"; and for gods sake I hope you're all doing the same - have some uniqueness to your approach. You wont get anywhere if you follow great rules like this, but the actual content of your messages still causes greater drying than the cinnamon challenge.

[–]PM_BOOBS_FOR_PUPPIES 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good points, all of them.

It's said here over and over...TRP is not a cookbook for getting laid. If you want that try the PUA community.

TRP provides guidelines, not instructions.

[–]BlackMwoyo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Needed this help catch me from falling into beta tendencies.

[–]PM_BOOBS_FOR_PUPPIES 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No man implements TRP perfectly all the time, and nor should they IMHO. That said, it's good that you can recognize any slipping before it gets out of hand.

Find a balance that suits your personality and helps to meet your goals.

[–]Ananonguy88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Just don't fake it. I can't imagine not replying her on purpose. When I'm busy, I just don't reply and I work to be busy for real.
  2. Tell her you love her to pass comfort tests when you want to keep her for longer. Say it only when she's "asking for it", never confess as the first one, only after she did. You don't have to mean it, sexual strategy is amoral.
  3. As above.
  4. I have real fun texting girls, when you are there for chit chat, not for "pls respond and provide attention" then it's all fine and can lead straight to bed. Not all girls are good at texting though, so not force it with boring ones.
  5. I pay for her if she paid for me before or bought me a gift. Bills have to be equal. My personal rule, can be omitted.

[–]FEMABAND 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I could find my rant that I did on Plenty of Fish few years ago it was epic

[–]BacteriYass 1 points1 points [recovered]

While a few of the rules are good guidelines, the rest of the rules are absolutely terrible guidelines, some of which are pretty misogynistic. There’s a big difference between being in a new relationship (which more of these rules can apply to), vs. being in a long relationship. Some of you guys on TRP fail to understand that women are just people too, they’re not some separate alien species from planet Zorg. You don’t need to be some stone-cold, unresponsive, dominating partner. You’ll just seem like a self-centered asshole and she’ll dump you ASAP. Obviously don’t drown her with affection, but show that you like her and care for her. It really isn’t that complicated. I think you have the wrong idea about being an alpha male OP, and ultimately the girls you attract won’t make you happy in the long run.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alpha male is personality trait. It's not a behavior trait. I don't say ' abuse your girl' or 'never ever help her in any chores' or ' always shout on her'. I say don't take shit when it's shit. She must feel that you are in control, you know your world and you know how to deal with this world. Seduction is ultimately connection. Connection is in fact love, care and affection. But don't overdo especially in the beginning. Love happens when all these mind games end and the two people become one entity. That's takes a long time. Till then stick to the rules. Women are not that bad but brainwashed by media and spoiled by choices like a small kid. Choices gives you power. Women have absolute power in the beginning of any relationship. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–]inscnmya 1 points1 points [recovered]

I started to not agree with the opinions on TRP nowadays. Especially shit like this.

I have a GF, we live together prob 5 days of the week. She cooks, cleans, and takes care of me. She is okay, she had slutty behavior in the past but whatever.

I’m not getting married with anyone, so don’t give a shit about her past THAT much. My N count is around 40, excluding prostitutes.

I do some of the stuff you mentioned and yet I’m no pussy. She does something to cross me off like a stupid shittest, and I’ll just ignore her. She does more, I’ll just ditch her. Finding a girl is easy.

The only thing in my mind that I always have is that I’m the aggressive racist and hedonist asshole who only cares about himself 80% of the time. So her presence is contributing to my current comfort, atm I got someone who doesn’t have STDs who fucks me as much as 5-6 times a day. This has been going on for the last 6 months.

What if she changes? Then I’ll change her too. Because I never forget, I’M THE BOSS AND SHE IS THE BITCH. I don’t care about her feelings that much, and as soon as we break up she is just as good as dead to me. I don’t care.

How does that make me a BluePill baby? I do whatever I want; I got money so I could just pick any bitch I like and fuck them.

Grill me homie I wanna hear.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I don't find non-congruence with your attitude and ideas here...

[–]inscnmya 1 points1 points [recovered]

Elaborate please I’d like to hear your opinions.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Red pill is about living your own life, putting your interests first, not giving a damn shit to girls shit tests, attitude and tantrums. You are doing the same. All religion leads to same God. Similarly different methods with different guidelines based on different personalities, lead to same goal of getting Alpha attitude. Red pill is understanding of female mind. You can use this knowledge as whatever way you please. Nothing is right or wrong if you understand what you are doing and are in control.

[–]inscnmya 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yeah I have a bit of mental problems probably and think myself as the god anyway so thats the reason why I don’t take shit from anyone. Not only that I’m financially advanced so I don’t have to take shit too.

Females are whores, focus on yourself and yourself only and you’ll prosper. Nowadays I feel that All that blue pill red pill talk are unnecessary. Just be a fuckin man and don’t be a dependent bitch to a girl. Sorry if I seem like I’m attacking you or anything I’m not.

[–]ajayhemant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. You are correct. Actually men have forgotten what a man should be. Sadly women have not! This is the cause of all dilemma and misinformation out there.