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Red Pill ExampleTeacher former student AWALT example. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]redbeaux 880 points881 points  (63 children)

"I'll never be that married."

Daaaaaaaamn, what a line. That's a red pill if I ever saw one.

[–]TRP_MushaShugyo 250 points251 points  (49 children)

I actually said "Daaaaaaamn!" out loud.

[–]1alphasquatch50 370 points371 points  (46 children)

It was the coldest sentence I've ever heard.

[–]IntrovertedMagma 149 points150 points  (40 children)

Wow.. I feel bad for that guy.. he is with a bitch!

She is going to cheat on him numerous times until he catches her then she is going to devorse rape him..

Anyway.. he has to swallow the redpill eventually

[–]Thirteen_Days 59 points60 points  (36 children)

Sounds like she has swallowed the red pill vs him

[–]antariusz 88 points89 points  (35 children)

All women are red pilled.

Just like Muslims intentionally lie to make their religion appear to be “a religion of peace”

Women intentionally lie to feign ignorance of their wants, needs, and desires... until they’re with a man they’re attracted to. And then they’ll dish up the truth.

You think her husband had ever heard her say anything remotely close to that? Never.

I’m a very “redpilled” man, but even I was duped by my ex girlfriend sending me nudes and telling me she loved me on the same day she fucked another guy. The gut feeling you’ll get of a woman who has cheated doesn’t come until after the fact when she’s contemplating branch swinging. Because they live in the minute, she really did love me and want me to have a great day, and then 6 hours later she was sucking another dude off. So until after it happens, you won’t know, because very often, they won’t know either. “It just happens”

[–]noholdingbackaccount 125 points126 points  (22 children)

Just like Muslims intentionally lie to make their religion appear to be “a religion of peace”

ex-muslim here. You are incorrect. Most of them sincerely believe that.

They don't understand the long term implications of their foundational beliefs, so they are sleeper agents for their hegemonic system in a way.

For instance, they will always complain that the west is not god-fearing enough or that it's hard for their immigrant children to grow up religiously observant in the west, but they don't even consciously think, 'secularism is a problem', or 'theocracy would be better for society', which is the natural end point of seeing a secular system as an obstacle to morality.

And here's the important part...at least as it stands now, they are not motivated to act towards those long term implications because they don't see how those extremist end points are part of their philosophy.

And every incremental step forward to the extremist end point like demanding halaal food everywhere or prayer rooms everywhere etc, they see as guarding their moderate position.

Islam is creeping towards extremism as collective of insensate cellular organisms unaware of how the whole structure is oriented. It's not the conscious mass mobilisatoin of a unified umma to a goal they all see.

So when an average muslim says to you, "Religion of peace," believe that that is what they believe, because the route to changing their minds is to show them that the unseen link of their beliefs to extremism and not to shout liar. Because they are not in their hearts liars and that gets you nowhere.

[–]Wambo45 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I know this is off topic to the sub, but I'm glad you said this. So many western people have this arrogance about them that they can properly discern what someone must "really" be thinking, when they hear something they find irrational. Religious fundamentalists ought to be taken seriously for the things they're actually telling us, because they truly are that delusional and unaware of it. A man doesn't blow himself up on a lie which he knows to be untrue. He does it with absolute conviction of his indignation. That is an important lesson to understand about ideologues, and a point of empathy which is crucial to our efficacy in combating them.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the first-hand treasure of information. It's nice to get a balanced opinion from someone that's lived both sides. Maybe it's no different than a red Piller that used to be a blue pill? Where White Knights only see the good in what they do?

[–]darkskies1094trump 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. "Moderates" always want to take 'just a few more steps'.

[–]noholdingbackaccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YUP. Elsewhere in the thread I compared Islamic hegemony (And it applies to any political/religious hegemony really) to a crowd at a stage. Every individual just wants a moderate amount of space for themselves to be comfortable, but the end result is a massive pressure to expand and crush those at the edges agaisnt the wall.

Individual moderates are genuinely moderate. But in a critical mass, like in the middle east, they create intolerant societies.

[–]VanityKings 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Why the fuck did you need to bring religion into this?

[–]antariusz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because it gets the point across, it’s a good analogy.

Not all Muslims will blow themselves up, and not all women will divorce rape you, but the amount of “other” women that will support shitty women and the amount of “other” Muslims that support terrorists, combined with the “hassle” of dealing with either one, not worth it.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Always assume she's gonna or is or has cheated. You'll care less when you find out. It may still sting, but you'll be prepared.

She was never yours, it was just your turn. And maybe a few other people's too.

[–]Namelessfear9 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"The Glass is already broken."

[–]Dowhatloversdo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did too lmao! It’s like all of red pill combined in one punchline. Boom, nough said.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (6 children)

This is like a line you would expect from Mad Men.

[–]1dongpal 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"I told him to be himself. That was pretty mean, I guess."

[–]dewchunks 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Imo roger sterling is more alpha than don draper, who is insecure of his past and ran from it

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Roger is alpha as fuck.

Don had game but no frame control.

[–]Rudeyyyy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah the alcoholism, not to mention marrying AGAIN and then fucking coworkers, lost his shit at times etc.

[–]Rudeyyyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My favorite show and Roger is my favorite character. It's been my favorite before I even found this sub. Roger gives no fucks it's awesome lol.

[–]beginner_ 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Yeah that sentence is hilarious. There is so much subtext to it. wow.

  • I'm very aroused. You could take me right now and here
  • I'm a huge amount of trouble and drama
  • I have 0 loyalty or honor
  • I have no shame
  • I'm very clever to come up with such a catchy phrase

My reaction would be a mixture of shock and laughter.

[–]1alphasquatch50 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She is very smart ... and evil.

[–]OpiumPhrogg 88 points89 points  (3 children)

This story just reminded me of an interaction with a former coworker. She had only been engaged for about 2 months to the guy she has been with for a long while. We were pretty chatty and would have some pretty good random conversations. I don't remember the exact conversation, but it was getting pretty flirty and I mentioned something about what would her fiancé think?

Her reply. She looked me dead in the eye smirked and said " He's not going anywhere."

[–]Dowhatloversdo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That guy failed at introducing “dread” into the relationship. He has aura of abundance.

[–]ComradeDurdenTRP 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Her reply. She looked me dead in the eye smirked and said " He's not going anywhere."

Somehow I suspect this would also be the case even if you were to do the guy a solid and expose his fiancee as a cheating hoe. He'd refuse to listen and blame you for either 1) lying and impugning m'lady's honor, or 2) being 'jelly' and trying to tear their (un)holy union asunder.

...and this is how we've ended up in this mess in the first place. With no social pressures to comport, women have embraced their baser nature and are running around doing whatever they want w/ whoever they want. Meanwhile, the men, raised on anime, video games, and autistic message boards, are still stuck in this outmoded 1950's view of the world where he has to be the gentleman and not rush things, ask m'lady out on a bunch of dates, meet her parents and get the approval of some of her friends, and ONLY THEN he might dare to go in for the kiss.

Meanwhile, Chad had her on her knees sucking his dick in the broom closet 15 minutes after they met a friend's party. It's unfathomable how anyone can remain blue pill in the age of Tinder, Tag the Sponsor, and the GoneWild subreddit. Yet here we are

[–]Work_In_Progress92 122 points123 points  (11 children)

AWALT - never forget that people, AWALT.

[–]sd4c 44 points45 points  (6 children)

Almost true. There is one known unicorn:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yekaterina_Zelenko

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

aerial ramming

I thought it was another kind of ramming.

[–]sd4c 22 points23 points  (0 children)

In Soviet Russia, aerial rams you

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    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I believe there was a bunch of serb women who disguised as men to fight in ww1 and ww2 aswell.

    [–]mrazman 58 points59 points  (21 children)

    i'll never be that married. there was just something about that sentence that made me feel like i needed to repeat it so it stuck. damn.

    [–]1alphasquatch50 31 points32 points  (14 children)

    I keep replaying it in my mind and trying to understand how anyone could say it.

    [–]IntrovertedMagma 16 points17 points  (6 children)

    Well.. it's easy.. she said that because she married that dude for his money.. she clearly doesn't love him

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 30 points31 points  (2 children)

    she clearly doesn't love him

    What is clear here it stay you should read the sidebar and stop thinking in BP categories of "love".

    Marriage is a part of sexual strategy of women, not men. She's there for stability the husband provides, not for attraction. Attraction makes her want to fuck him, not marry him.

    [–]Docbear64 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Not just his money, his time , his attention , his support, the social validation that comes with being a " kept" woman versus her unmarried peers.

    Women gain a ton by taking on the mantle of Wife even before the Divorce rape and even better she can fuck her highschool teacher and if she ever told hubby he'd blame himself for not fulfilling all her needs .

    [–]Dwarf90 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Women have no honor or loyalty. Too bad modern men forgot this ancient wisdom.

    [–]1alphasquatch50 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    My wife seems to ... more than any other person I know except for my son.

    [–]Commentor544 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Reminds me of a Hadith (yh, I'm a Muslim) I once read. This was it.

    The Messenger of Allah said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude.” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’”

    I guess this sort of thing was known for a long time.

    [–]mrazman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    This resonates with me, thanks for posting. Wish I had gold to give you.

    [–]WaT30 293 points294 points  (69 children)

    Good for you dude on not cheating on your wife. For everyone else that says you should have fucked her, either are still kids or unmarried man. There would be literally no benefit for you at this stage of your life, besides bragging to your mates, "Oh yeah, I fucked my former hot student."

    [–]PIGamer86 176 points177 points  (5 children)

    "Say what you want but do what you say."

    If a red piller doesn't want a married life, then he doesn't get one. If a red piller agrees to get married, he should stick to it as long as both parties are committed.

    [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (10 children)

    There's this thing called divorce rape that the kids haven't figured out.

    [–]McVaghunter 4 points5 points  (13 children)

    There would be literally no benefit for you at this stage of your life, besides bragging to your mates

    How about amazing nights of sex and countless ejaculations with a HB9? (Not the former student in OP's story, as she's already post wall and no longer a 9). "There's no benefit of fucking hot young girls"... The kind of shit that gets hundreds of upvotes nowadays on TRP, a place for "Discussion of sexual strategy". SMH

    Monogamy is unrealistic; men were simply not designed to have sex with only one partner for the rest of their life. I guess you're married and try to delude yourself, and the retards upvoting your shit, into believing that a man of honor should never cheat on his wife, when in reality you're just afraid of losing all your belongings and kids if your wife finds out.

    [–]beginner_ 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    n reality you're just afraid of losing all your belongings and kids if your wife finds out.

    No, they are afraid she isn't all that into him that she will stay.

    Let's be honest. The wife will never find out. Unless your conscious is to big and you tell her yourself. my personal morale is if you do need to cheat, have the guts to shut up about it.

    [–]McVaghunter 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Do you even know how cheap and small GPS trackers are? Let's say your wife doesn't know about this GPS shit, just imagine the anxiety of holding the secret of you cheating, every night going to sleep wondering if you will say something about your gf while you're sleep-talkingSomniloquy or just drunk next to your wife. The "OMG, does she know? Am I gonna lose everything tomorrow?"... Every single day. Not the life for me.

    My personal morale is if you do need to cheat, and you will, then never sign a contract with a woman.

    [–]beginner_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    If your wife GPS tracks you, well then it's over anyway.

    About the rest that is exactly what I meant. Either you can deal with the lying or you can't. And never signing a contract /marrying is obvious regardless of everything else.

    [–]1alphasquatch50 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    I have almost cheated 4-5 times, but decided I didn't NEED to.

    [–]WaT30 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    I'm not married, I am single. I only had two girlfriends in my life, and never cheated. I appreciate the red pill because it opened my eyes to the real women nature. But most of all in this world, besides being financially stable and have good friends, is I want a wife and kids (or just to have one son). I know there is no way to raise my kids in a normal way, for them to grow normally if I'm not into a healthy relationship with someone that would be a good mother figure for them, aka my wife.

    I am at the moment where I feel like banging hotties, but after sleeping with 6 different women since last June, it's all the fucking same to me. Some of them look better, some of them kiss better, some of them fuck and suck better. I'm not into one of those idiots "waiting for the right one" as a 10/10 is only in your head. It doesn't matter for me if I sleep with another 10 chicks or a 100, it's all the fucking same in the end. Next week I am going to bang another woman, does it matter really that I will have another one to the list? No, it won't. I realized this with my 6th woman last year. I really don't get when people brag about having a high n-count. I would rather have had 5 quality women during my entire life, and a great wife, than have 50, meaningless sex and trying to find the "right one", aka an unicorn.

    Red Pill is a great concept and all, but in the long run, at the age of 50, would you rather be "single" fucking random women, or be in a healthy relationship with your wife, kids, and possibly even grandkids at that time?

    [–]searcher612 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I am surprised no one has asked what your testosterone level is??!?!?

    Good points all around. You are red pill aware and understand things so you understand a bit more about women and what to look for in terms of red flags.

    I think the question about age 50 is a great one, but, some do not want children period so in that case perhaps fucking random women makes more sense.

    [–]1alphasquatch50 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I gave my word to "MandI" in 1989, and unless she breaks her contract, I will keep my word. I'm 50 and "Cathy" is 29, and I still believe I could have bruised her fucking cervix, but I couldn't live with being a liar. If Mandi fucks up, I still have Cathy's number.

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      [–]1alphasquatch50 45 points46 points  (29 children)

      29 I think: Black curly hair ... Bluest eyes ever ... 38 /24/36 ish ... 140+ IQ ... fitted black business dress ... black heels ... blood-red lips and nails ... I can still smell her

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        [–]1alphasquatch50 45 points46 points  (9 children)

        I know she's not worth the trouble ... even for a single lad.

        [–]EuropeanAmerican420[🍰] 70 points71 points  (7 children)

        I don't know what you guys are smoking but if a 30 year old hb9 walked up 90% of red pillers and men are gonna say yes. She can be a serial killer idgaf

        [–]room_303 24 points25 points  (1 child)

        And still when you have your fun, spend your load your mind will flutter and grind with creative ideas to get her out of your sight cause you are already sick of her.

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          [–]EuropeanAmerican420[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yea desperate beta whatever lets you sleep at night

          [–]WhereIsTheEvidence1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          140 iq is worthless since she's a cheating slut. Her only value is sexual.

          2 completely contradictory sentences.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 4 points5 points  (9 children)

          140 iq is worthless since she's a cheating slut

          Since AWALT, 140 IQ is something that distinguishes her from other "cheating sluts".

          Sounds like you're coming down with oneitus.

          Nah, by the way he described her, he just want's to bang her, since she's way hotter than his wife.

          [–]1alphasquatch50 5 points6 points  (8 children)

          She is only hotter than my wife because she's 20 years younger ... my wife is still prolly an 8.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This botthe is heavier only b/c it has more water in it. Well duh!

          You're rationalizing your desire for the girl.

          [–]OhhDatDogOMine 3 points4 points  (6 children)

          Your wife is in her 40s, I'll bet my house she is not an 8.

          [–]1alphasquatch50 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          She's 49 .. looks like a older Cathy ... very fit with a stunning ass ... I have NEVER seen better looking woman her age

          [–]otikokoso 96 points97 points  (7 children)

          Don't endanger your stability for some little pussy

          [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

          I gotta be honest. 50 years old and some young 20 something hottie comes to me basically offering the puss... that is some god damned will power

          [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          Being married is not "stability", it's bordeline BP thinking along the lines of women chastising men for not being married.

          [–]otikokoso 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          I don't think red pill advocates for cheating on your wife when you're so far already in life

          [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Don't twist my words.

          I'm referring to the fantasy of being stable, secure by being married.

          [–]harsha_hs 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          There is never stability in life. It's all illusion

          [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (41 children)

          Damn, I feel bad for the husband.

          [–]1alphasquatch50 57 points58 points  (40 children)

          Yeah ... just saw their latest pic on Facebook ... he looks so happy and she looks like a fucking demon.

          [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (38 children)

          I'm two years married so it hits a little too close to home. Thankfully I've never seen any signs but this AWOLT stuff can be a little unnerving.

          [–]1alphasquatch50 34 points35 points  (30 children)

          Frame ... Dread Game ... be vigilant

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (29 children)

          I wish it didn't have to be that way but as much as I've tried to find another way I know that's the truth. When I was single I had great frame and never knew it but when you get married you chill out. You let your guard down because you think you've won but that's not even close to the truth. The game goes on but like they say it becomes theredpill on hard mode because it's a lot more challenging. I had a rough going the last few months so I've been working on rebuilding my frame, hobbies and personal development.

          [–]darkmoon09 15 points16 points  (18 children)

          Reading shit like this makes me wonder how anyone can have faith in marriage

          [–]Psychocist 14 points15 points  (16 children)

          It's been exploited and has no benefits to men any more. Lots of lost and/or moronic people still find a veil of security in it - that's where the faith lies. That faint hope that this is the security we've been looking for. Fuck the rest of the world, just promise me I can at least take refuge in my marriage.

          Nope. You can take refuge in yourself and that is all. The sooner we become more secure in ourselves, the sooner we can be done with these pathetic pleas for security elsewhere.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 3 points4 points  (5 children)

          has no benefits to men any more

          It never did. From another comment I made:

          Marriage is a part of sexual strategy ow women, not men. She's there for stability the husband provides, not for attraction. Attraction makes her want to fuck him, not marry him.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          Marriage should be avoided if you don't want children. Unless you want to raise a child all by yourself you should get married. I got married because I want a child and I do not want to be a single parent. Every person has their reason for marriage. It's very narrow minded to blanket every marriage as a waste. You were likely the result of one so it's a little contradictory to your existence.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I don't agree with your point of view because people marry for many reasons. I got married because I want to have kids and raise them in a traditional family upbringing. If you don't want kids that's fine but if you do and you choose to raise them by yourself...good luck with that.

          Second, I got married because my wife was not of my same country. She was 5,000 miles away so I needed to marry her if I wanted to have a life with her. Third is that I've seen her motherly skills because she was a kickass au pair and knew how to raise children from infancy even into teenage years.

          I didn't take security in marriage because I'm afraid of the world. I got married because I genuinely enjoy my wife's company and would like to have children with her. If I did not want to have children I would not be married. There is no point for any man to be in a relationship with a woman if he does not plan on carrying on his seed.

          Those men are the fools. They are fools because they could have as many women as they choose but for some dumb idiotic reason they only have one.

          [–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Come on. You married her because you needed to if you wanted to spend your life with her? Your life? She has great motherly skills.. yeh, and so do many hundreds of thousands of other women under the right circumstances. You didn't need to marry anyone to raise children.

          I was raised out of wedlock and my parents did a half-decent job -- I'm not a complete fuck up and my life is on track. Marriage wouldn't have made them better parents; it would have just added more complications to their relationship. That's the only proof I need that marriage is absolutely needless when it comes to raising kids.

          You would like to have children with her.. said before you've had children with her.

          Those men are the fools. They are fools because they could have as many women as they choose but for some dumb idiotic reason they only have one.

          I don't necessarily think they are. I've banged enough sluts over the last few years to the point where I'm bored to tears with casual sex. I couldn't care less about having a harem of 10 wet pussies lining up to fuck me. I'm very happy and very satisfied with a couple of women, and at least one woman I'm emotionally close with.

          I understand where you're coming from - I want children, too, one day. I've even met a couple of women where the thought has crossed my mind. But I'm not sure why marriage would somehow make that structure more stable. If anything, offering a cash prize for leaving, while removing all leverage I have sounds like anything but stability.

          Have you been to MRP?

          [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 2 points3 points  (7 children)

          You also lose most (if not all) your leverage when you get married.

          This is why we advise unmarried neophytes to stay that way.

          [–]Psychocist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Ya know what, man? Fuck it. Chill out - focus on YOU. Do what you want. Relax. Who cares. Can you support yourself and your lifestyle? Great. Enjoy that, go explore other stuff you enjoy, go help some people.

          ..and if she leaves amidst you enjoying your life.. fuck her.. let her go. You have to find something infinitely more important than her and your marriage, and you have to be secure with or without her by your side. Though this behaviour is not for her - that is the ultimate form of passive dread. You don't need her, and it will show.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's funny that you say all this because this exact attitude is what got me her in the first place. She's a very beautiful South American girl so she was not familiar with the word "no" when we met. She always took a backseat to my hobbies, friends and personal goals. As a result, she always blew up my phone and I purposely made that decision to let her hang out with me, not the other way around.

          Unfortunately when you marry you do lose a lot of that leverage. It's difficult to ignore someone that you live with and I don't disagree that it's not rude either. However, you are definitely right that you need to find something more important than your relationship. Ever since I dived deeper into married red pill I've become much more open to the idea of divorce. Not because I want it but because before I feared it. If you can not believe in the other half nonsense you will have a good life with or without someone. I agree completely with your ultimate form of passive dread. Just have something you're passionate about and put that above everything else.

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          [–]1alphasquatch50 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          I am teacher and win awards for it. I saw this as a teachable moment for a lot of young men.

          [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 21 points22 points  (7 children)

          good story. i probably would have smashed under different circumstances, but under the ones you described i'd stay clear as well.

          [–]1alphasquatch50 39 points40 points  (6 children)

          My wife also reassured me I made the right choice ... lol

          [–]vintagegirlgame 20 points21 points  (3 children)

          You still benefit from the dread on your wife. She knows a younger HB9 wants you and will step up her girl game.

          [–]SovereignSoul76 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          "I've got an idea on how to settle this: dick sucking competition. You're up first honey."

          [–]1alphasquatch50 25 points26 points  (0 children)

          She sucks without asking. That night she squeezed every last drop on her own face ... dred game works.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

          "I'll never be that married."

          God Damn.....

          I did say that out loud...... I most likely would've fucked her. Married or not.

          [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          [–]1alphasquatch50 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          I still have that going on in my head about her and its been almost a month.

          [–]ShotgunTRP 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          This chicks been fingering herself over you for 15 odd years

          Would've been the most savage fuck of your life

          [–]re4d3 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Experienced a similar case last summer. We had a reunion in a pub, university school buddies, few decades after graduation. Sat beside a chick, still rather good looking. She was divorced once and married again. In the middle of the chat, she suddenly mentioned how she loves her husband. I thought like wtf, am I interested in that? No. But later she suggested me accompanying her back to the hotel since it was dark already (she lives in nearby country and came just for the reunion). I suggested we all go to some other place with a good view on the city and river and we had a good time remembering our studies and funny stories. When party finished, she repeated her proposal and only then it all clicked. There were other two guys going the same way (I live the opposite way). First, "I love my husband" means "whatever happens I am not responsible for since I love him". Truth is, timing and everything was excellent for her, other country and city where nobody knows her. I just laughed and told I am not going three kilometers back in the opposite way and then six kilometers back home. I noticed other female school girls observed us. She was probably not "that married" either.

          I cssually mentioned this after few months, when I told my wife "married women are the easiest, since you compete only against her betaized husband". She somehow disagreed, but this example grounded her. She asked why I didn't do it, hoping to hear because of her, but I waved it off saying she was quite good but not THAT hot. In my bp times I would say something PC not to get her mad. Now I use every occasion like this to get her mad. I noticed she likes when I am kind of alpha to other women but she hated it, when I was beta behaving towards them.

          [–]1alphasquatch50 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          well played, and the dred-game is a must in a LTR

          [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Talk to your wife and slot her in you old bag.

          [–]THEDICKDEALER 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          She's just a hoe to her heart-future

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Sounds like she's not done with the CC. Can't trust them, especially these days.

          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          “I want to fuck an old gym teacher” said no girl ever

          [–]re4d3 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Cmon. My teenage daughters say half of their schoolmates are into their gym teacher.

          [–]MrAnderzon 32 points33 points  (92 children)

          I don't get it. Did you have sex with her

          [–]smirk_addict 48 points49 points  (0 children)

          The most telling is that last line. “I’ll never be that married”. Her blatant hypergamy. Which I think was the point of his post....

          [–]1alphasquatch50 109 points110 points  (85 children)

          Nope ... but I thought about it.

          [–]greeb666 48 points49 points  (6 children)

          This is smart. She knows where you work and probably where you live. Should could blow up your marriage and probably your job anytime she chose if you had done anything.

          [–]throwaway-aa2 3 points4 points  (4 children)

          ? She could still do that, sex or no sex. I'd fuck her but then again, I wouldn't ever get married so....

          [–]bro4all 6 points7 points  (76 children)

          What is so good about your wife that doesn’t let you do that chick? I’m asking with all honesty and trying to figure out why in my mind no woman will ever be that great.

          [–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (43 children)

          By the time most guys get to 50 their brain tends to have more control over them than their cock. Thus one can do a better risk vs. reward calculation.

          All you young guys can ever do is try to fuck. You are incapable of doing anything else. It gets in the way of making more money, having more fun and freedom, it really is a fucking mental illness.

          I went on a specific diet a few years ago (I’m ~40 now) to increase my testosterone naturally. It worked and it was completely debilitating. I was crazed. I just wanted to smash or get in a fight. I looked at every woman like I wanted to eat them. I couldn’t think of anything else but fucking so I couldn’t get shit done at work. I quit the diet and am very happy to be in a little more control over myself again.

          Still I probably would have smashed Cathy over her old desk.

          [–]1alphasquatch50 28 points29 points  (0 children)

          I started takintg test 3 years ago at 47 ... levels run about 1200, so I am hard all the time ... this was a tough piece to reject.

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            [–][deleted] 84 points85 points  (25 children)

            At 18 the only thing you need to be doing is:

            • eat
            • sleep
            • beat meat
            • exercise
            • work (on school or whatever)

            Do not do anything to increase your T artificially. You, right now, are already at peak lifetime testosterone (if you are lifting heavy things). It’s all down hill from here. At 40 you will have 50% of the T you have now. At 65 your wife will have more free T in her blood than you. This is actually a good thing. This is why they use 18 year olds to charge machine gun nests. Guys my age would be like “hold on a minute let’s think about this”.

            If I had 18 year old me by the scruff of the neck (or any cousin or nephew), looking back I would say.

            • Get outside and be physical. Lift. Whatever. Just be physically active.
            • Do your best to ignore females. Jerk off as much as necessary to accomplish this. I know. This is impossible. Just do your best.
            • Stay single. No LTR’s. You are not equipped to recognize or deal with female bullshit. LTR’s are TRP on hard mode.
            • Never trust something that bleeds for several days and doesn’t die. AWALT.
            • Keep your mind clear of garbage. No porn, limited entertainment (manga, movies, video games).
            • Get involved in something productive that you really enjoy or find interesting. It doesn’t matter if it’s art or sports, physical or intellectual, paid or unpaid. Pour yourself into it. You are in the period of your life where you can immerse yourself into your passions without affecting any responsibilities. Dive in.
            • While you’re doing this productive thing find the men with gray hair who do that thing. Sit down, be humble, STFU and listen. Some of these dudes might seem irrelevant or wrong. That’s ok. Listen anyway. You will learn perspective even if they are wrong or right. In time you will come to know the difference.
            • Stay out of trouble with the law. Every young man is given enough rope to hang himself in society’s eyes. Don’t ruin your life over a squabble, ego, or a hoe.
            • If you get money, save it. You’ll need it soon.
            • Do whatever it takes to get good grades. The system is amoral. There is no right or wrong. Just get good grades. If you want to learn then learn on your own. You will learn almost nothing in school. School is designed to keep young men like you busy so men like me can go to work without concern. School is also there to bend your mind such that you will obey a man like me when you enter the workforce. Know this. Know that school is an unnatural system and game it. School is not the measure of you, but...
            • Finish school. Some of the smartest most successful guys I know are dropouts. But you shouldn’t try this unless you are an incredible human. Dropping out is also life on hard mode. Just “wait in line” at school, bide your time. Soon you will be free. It is generally better to have the credentials the people respect than not to.
            • Get lots of sleep. Studies show sleep depravation during younger years leads to lower IQ. No shit.
            • Eventually you will surpass your mentors and masters. This is ok. Do not fear, one day you will transcend the rules and start making your own.

            I’ll probably think of more later.

            edit: * Join the Army or Marines, in a combat job, for as short as they’ll let you. It’ll make a man out of you and set your discipline and mental compass for life. Civilians are at a massive disadvantage to guys like me. I’m so much more effective because of what I learned in the military as a paratrooper. It turns out the principles of winning in battle translate perfectly to winning in the chaos of life. * Your friends are fucking idiots don’t listen to them

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              [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

              Some of us had dads but they were worthless for stuff like this.

              All of this advice I learned by slamming my dick in a door (aka the hard way). Enjoy.

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                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I like British and aussie paras. Met some in country. Y’all are crazy.

                Don’t be support because support:

                • gets shit on
                • doesn’t get to do real military shit
                • has shit leadership
                • have leadership so fucked up it quacks like a duck
                • did I mention bad leadership?

                I promise you the bad asses and real mofos are in the combat jobs. You want to do the real shit. Don’t spend 4 years being an underpaid gas station attendant where you get yelled at all the time. Shoot guns, sweat, learn to kill people, and be a team.

                Don’t let anyone tell you that support roles get to do the cool shit too. THEY DONT.

                PM me when you ship out for basic training.

                [–]WalterEArmstrong 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                "Never trust something that bleeds for several days and doesn’t die." I'M STEALING THAT!!

                [–]deltaunit18 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                This is why I read the comments. Is there any more advice you can give, particularly about building discipline?

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Man. I don’t know shit about building discipline. Everything I know about it was pounded into me in the military. That’s why I recommend the military (especially combat jobs) because they force you to learn things that are nearly impossible to teach yourself.

                Like there is the animal brain and the “dream” brain (conscious brain that is the voice in your head). There is so much more information in our actions controlled by the animal brain than our dream brain can understand. The dream brain is always trying to explain why we do what we do. Shit that’s pretty much all of this sub. Well the dream brain is really shitty for learning some lessons that are really for the animal brain.

                Think of the dream brain/animal brain like bolting a conscious human brain onto a cheetah but the consciousness only has a voice and can’t control shit. That why it’s so fucking maddening to build and break habits and to make sense of other people.

                Discipline is stored in the animal brain.

                [–]TRP_MushaShugyo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                Read Jocko Willink's book "Discipline Equals Freedom."

                [–]deltaunit18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Will check it out, appreciate it.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Probably the best comment I’ve seen that needs to be its own post

                [–]RonieGarret 11 points12 points  (7 children)

                Please share your diet then, please.

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                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                  Pretty much yah. Snack on Brazil nuts and almonds too. Sugar is cancer. Alcohol is cancer. End your shower each time with cold water for 30 seconds. Lift heavy things with your legs. Leafy green veggies like spinach.

                  Most dudes are vitamin D deficient. This affects T production big time. Get tested. I do 10,000 IU / day.

                  Cholesterol and sleep + ingredients make T. Look it up. Sex hormones are converted from cholesterol (male and female). That’s why all the red meat and eggs. It’s also why girls in 1st world countries get tits and period earlier. T is made while you sleep. Go to bed.

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                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    shrug ok cool. I hate them anyway. Can you point to a study?

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                      [–]EvangelionUnit-01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Alot of truth to this. Though I have a slightly different viewpoint. Im a chemically enhanced lifter in his 20s and can personally say that high levels of certain hormones are able to cause a pretty big shift in your unconscious drives, disposition, and priorities.

                      At first I thought there was no change, but after youve been on for a while, and then come off (or move to a lower dose) you look back and notice things (also people will comment on changes in your behavior). Higher test definitely results in much higher horniness and objectifying the opposite sex. Theres also a certain popular hormone given to cattle...personally ramps up my horniness and aggression to a whole nother level, its unreal.

                      AAS serves as an addition to a vain and selfish hobby for someone like me, but it has given me a life-changing perspective on how what we put into our bodies can actively shift and alter not just appearance but who we are.

                      [–]CosmicSpiral 27 points28 points  (16 children)

                      The fact she has red flags written all over her?

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 13 points14 points  (15 children)

                      Her eyes looked like those of a wild animal ... scary really

                      [–]TRP_MushaShugyo 8 points9 points  (11 children)

                      Sounds like the Thousand-Cock-Stare.

                      [–]CosmicSpiral 19 points20 points  (10 children)

                      If anything her history suggests the opposite. If she's fantasizing about a teacher she had in her teens (in a one-sided affair to boot) and had the audacity to proposition him despite the guy running zero game, she definitely failed to connect to anyone resembling a dominant man. That's the look of a woman used to manipulating schlubs like puppets, not broken from decades of getting pumped and dumped.

                      As much as we like to disparage girls who ride the CC, this is the kind of shit that often happens when girls go through their 20s without meeting someone who can control and channel their sexual urges. I've seen the same look flashed by jetsetters, former models, all HB7s and above. All of them had one thing in common: they were always the ones in control of their interactions with the opposite sex. They never met a man who satisfied the criteria for a proper SMV balance and it warped their attitudes towards men in general.

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 6 points7 points  (8 children)

                      Wow ... never thought of it like that

                      [–]CosmicSpiral 10 points11 points  (7 children)

                      My suspicion is that she was genuinely attracted to you, but also saw you as a kind of final challenge: "Can I break the resolve of this man, one of the few who ever made me feel anything resembling real attraction and surrender?" Girls like that, no matter how coquettish they can be or how high their tally count of subservient men runs, are always fundamentally dissatisfied. They yearn for a real alpha who can see through their bullshit, hence their blatant hypergamy and unfaithfulness. Or did she just randomly dress to the nines for a casual meetup?

                      Disregarding moral qualms this was first and foremost a test of frame, a deliberate one on her part. So despite the objections in this thread, you did the right thing. It is never worth sacrificing frame for pussy.

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      I don't think he would've sacrificed any frame even if he did fuck her.

                      "Cheating" aside, fuck her from a place of dominance and she'll still see you as alpha after the fact.

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      Thanks, It was the biggest test I have faced in over 3 decades, at least in terms of sexuality. I actually remember her saying, in reference to her job, that she is never satisfied. That line was a first salvo ... in retrospect.

                      [–]Dragon_Garoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      There is truth in what you say. Dated/spun a girl that was like this; she was inordinately fixated with me, tried to push for LTR. Drove her mad that I didn't cowtow after her like the other guys. Meh. Next.

                      [–]LaserEyes2029 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      I have had that look before. 26 year old, half korean half white gal. HB 9, easily 10 if she dresses up.

                      Single mom, getting married to her kid's dad, but still acts like a kitten/school girl when I ran into her at work. Saw her fiance once pick her up from work. About 5' 6", skinny fat but decent looking.

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 30 points31 points  (8 children)

                      She was a 16 year old virgin when I met her, has never let me down, is a wonderful mother and Christian, and fucks and sucks on command

                      [–]sd4c 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                      What a blessed and lucky man you are. If you have any advice on how a man with good intentions can find such a lass in 2018, I'm all ears

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                      I hate it, but I think they are rare and getting rarer. They were pretty common in 1994 when I started teaching ... not so much now. Might try some sort of community of faith.

                      [–]sd4c 20 points21 points  (3 children)

                      Maybe it's not his wife, but his own self-regard. Deceit and treachery is cowardice, something most women and about half of men indulge in frequently. A real man keeps his word, and if he can't keep his word, chooses the least worst option, by adhering to his values by level of obligation (lying to the secret police about where your son is, stealing life-saving medicine, etc).

                      If he'd taken a slice of this delicious, succulent pussy, he would possess a fun memory of physical esctasy, and the deep, certain knowledge, that young, attractive women, find him sexually appealing. But assuming he didn't text his wife to breakup first, he'd also know that he is a liar, a traitor to his family, and a weak man who'll risk three lifetimes of misery in exchange for a 20-minute romp with an adulterous woman:

                      One life being his from being lashed to this student, the other his wife's who might just kill herself of grief, and the third being the life of the possible offspring that could be produced from the sexual indulgence. No birth control is iron-clad. IUDs failed hundreds of times last year. Even abortions, can fail.

                      Risk and reward, guys. Look at each choice, six moves ahead: what is the best play for you, your family, your friends, and whatever community you value? Both today, and ten years from now.

                      Now "go clean your room". (hint hint)

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                      I have been tempted 5 times in the last 32 years, this was the hardest ...because she is so hot.

                      [–]sd4c 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                      That's good to know that that's even possible,. To turn down super-fine ass, when you might even "get away with it". But you defeated her callous trap, Obi-Wan style. Women are no fools. She knew exactly what she was doing, and what her secret motivations were.

                      If the motivation was true love, devotion, and respect for you, she would respect your values and obligations. And would have done things the RIGHT way (try to convince you to leave your wife, by making sacrifices, showing throat, and essentially taking a leap of faith). Anything less, reveals selfishness, not love.

                      Pussy ain't love. Making you KIDS ain't love. Love is when you thank God for them in your life. Love is going through their car cushions for change at 3am in order to get you the brand name cough medicine instead of the generic one. Love is wiping up poop, because you're grateful for the good times they're about to give you, or already have given.

                      I had love once. Twice, maybe. I threw it away because I'm a selfish asshole. And life is my penance.

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                      Wow ... great comment ... thanks

                      [–]albus_scirocco 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      I know nothing about former-student-always-slut, but she's obviously crazier than fuck-all. Don't put your dick in crazy!

                      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                      I think he meant this as a "redpill example"

                      [–]AstuteBlackMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      I believe this story is real. I also believe she used that line.

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      She then said, "I just wanted to let you know that if you ever get tired of "Mandi," you can call me."

                      She's right, in fact she just told you you have abundance, even if only in her.

                      I then went on to tell her that it could never happen, explained the solidity of my marriage and then reminded her that, "you're a married woman now."

                      What she heard is "plausible deniability".

                      I will never forget her response: "I'll never be that married."

                      I've heard that Brazilians have a saying "You're married but you're not dead".

                       

                      Your marriage is important to you, not to her. By the same token, your marriage is not important to your wife either. You're describing AWALT of the "bad woman who wants to destroy your marriage", don't forget your wife would do exactly the same thing given a proper opportunity.

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I think it is unlikely but possible, and I never forget the second part. If she fucks up, I still have Cathy's number. Dred game augments monogamy.

                      [–]deville05 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Well any man who cheats on his wife is also in that case in his head going "I'm not that married". I guess to be fair, no one is ever that married. The only thing that stops you is the consequences. Maybe what she is about to lose isn't worth keeping in the first place.

                      [–]dawgsen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Whenever I hear a response like that, I actually feel a relieve and appreciate the honesty.

                      [–]prettyflamazing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      "I'll never be that married."

                      Reminds me of that Johnny Cash song Solitary Man. Bitch is wearing a paper ring.

                      [–]MarkJohnPaul 9 points10 points  (8 children)

                      Good post on hypergamy - but these comments are a shitshow of advice. All this morality. Everyone is always hyping up the idea that sex is amoral around here yet simultaneously it seems like everyone is playing some moral card about how he did the right thing by not fucking her. Every male in here attributing sex as carrying more weight than sex needs to explain themselves.

                      Rape allegations? If you think sticking your cock in a wet vagina means you're going to be suited either you don't fuck right, or you're overthinking it. Chicks want to fuck; this girl was begging for OPs old man donger. As long as he avoids buyers remorse and walks the line he's good to go.

                      STDs? Wrap it up.

                      Divorce? Only if your too much of a fool to open your mouth or get caught.

                      Shoot first ask questions later boys. Good post on hypergamy but as far as I'm concerned, you pussied out on an otherwise free lay by a smoke show because you were scared of the guilt and or legal potential. You think those chicks feel guilty when they fucking use a guy for his status money or whatever it is? Sure as long as it will get them another replacement or a few orbiters.

                      We're in a new world. Anyone who has read tomassi knows the theory that since chicks didn't have the physical prowess they were forced to compensate in mental cunning. If you guys keep being naive we're going to end up being taken advantage of. It's human nature. Get smart and out wit the bitch.

                      [–]disgruntledearthling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Divorce? Only if your too much of a fool to open your mouth or get caught.

                      Disagree here. One of my buddies always maintained a side-girl (was married for over 25 years). Worked out ok until the recent side-girl showed up at his place unannounced. You can control your own actions and thoughts but not those of a crazy bitch.

                      [–]anticultured 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                      Bad advice. He didn’t cheat on his wife because he doesn’t want to destroy the trust and care that HE has fostered for her. Whether AWALT or not, don’t create the shitty world in advance because it’s going to happen to you anyway. You get to live with yourself and feel righteous and proud that you were strong, instead of with dread.

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Great advice.

                      This is reality and this moral fantasy bullshit being peddled by the neckbeards needs to stop on this sub.

                      [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                      Ok this. This right here is what I'm confused about.

                      He married her but she's willing to cheat. She's a HB9 too

                      What did this guy (probably) do wrong? (Don't say he got married, there's a lot of successful marriages)

                      What would it have took to keep her attracted/ faithful?

                      Does this mean guys just shouldn't get married to hot girls?

                      [–]Dragon_Garoo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                      He didn't do anything wrong; she's a viper. OP was probably smart to avoid the machinations of a clear player. IMO women like that love to ruin men, he did what was right for him.

                      Disclaimer: I would have smashed.

                      [–]BeliefEditor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                      The confusion stems from seeing this with male eyes.

                      A male inherently feels responsible for what he does.

                      A male processes his interactions with women as him doing something to the women.

                      A female processes her interactions with men as the men doing something to her.

                      Women process everything from the reality that things happen to her.

                      When a woman cheats, she doesn't feel like she is doing something to her husband; she feels like the situation is happening to her.

                      She knows it would make her husband feel like shit if he found out, but she figures: "If he won't find out, what does it matter. Life is too short and he doesn't satisfy me. I'm just gonna go find me adequate dick without him finding out and keep him happy."

                      Women don't experience life inhabiting a reality in which they feel a responsibility making things happen in the world; they process life as happening to them.

                      Living in that kind of reality, it's not difficult to shrug off ideals about faithfulness.

                      Even if she was blatantly the proactive one in the affair, she will still process it as 'not her responsibility'. Typical example: She'll blame her husband, framing him as failing to fulfill her.

                      It's not very different from a kid sneakily eating candy that she's not supposed to, trying not to get caught. To them it's not that big of a deal; it's just something they're not supposed to do and they should avoid getting caught doing.

                      Yes: the logical ramifications if they're found out are risky. But they figure they can placate their husbands by doing some fast-talking. Knowing what words to say to them to keep them from suspecting anything.

                      Besides, women don't even care if a man is faithful; they only care that he be loyal. In other words, she wants him to be a stud, but she wants him to stick around. And since women are just as clueless about the male experience as men are about the female experience, she does what we do: She projects her experience onto the male, assuming that if women don't care that much about cheating, men must be the same.

                      They don't fathom the hurt they cause.

                      [–]GunnarX 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      I 99% guarantee the guy did no form of vetting and ignored any and all red flags that were presented by this ho.

                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Sounds like he got pussy tranced. The guy should have read Practical Female Psychology or No More Mr. Nice Guy years before proposing to her.

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Any endorsed contributor want to weigh in? Did OP do something right?

                      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      "I'm not thaaat married"

                      Don't need us. Speaks for itself.

                      [–]grandmazboy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                      I admit I would have fucked her so kudos. Then I thought twice because she has access to your daughter and wife via Facebook, and I still would probably have to talk myself out of it.

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      I am STILL talking myself out of it.

                      [–]ThickDickWarrior89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Fuck it tell her to send you some nudes and post them for us to see.

                      [–]Pizzasucks123456789 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      That my friends is what you call a fucking whore. I think it's ridiculous to say that "all women are like that" when most aren't.

                      [–]re4d3 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                      Satisfying to read. A valid notch, even did not happened. All you take a note and become a real men. Real man》》handsome beta.

                      [–]1alphasquatch50 11 points12 points  (3 children)

                      As God is my witness it happened just as I said it did ...

                      [–]LeftHookTKD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      I believe it. That's how women are these days.

                      [–]re4d3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      I meant it is a "notch" even sex did not happen, because it could. I do not doubt the story.

                      [–]ivanttobealone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      yeah because married men never behave like this

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      I'm willing to like everything about this post as long as you are not a Hawks fan.

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