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Building PowerBuilding Power & Your Tribe (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschool

Not too long ago we introduced some new flairs that I've seen get moderate usage recently. If you've wondered where I've been as my posting has been intermittent at best recently, I'll answer the question.

I've been practicing what I preach and trying some new ideas that I think are important to the future of men.

I believe everything is about sex, and therefore the philosophies and strategies we discuss will always boil down to affecting your sexual strategy in one way or another. Our evolutionary drive has been great at pushing our species into new uncharted territories, but the common thread that follows all of history is that those who have sex and children carry on humanity.

But there are a lot of facets to life that we barely touch on here at TheRedPill, even though many of these facets are integral to finding happiness in life.

For some of us, finding sexual success is such a consuming task that we don't consider what we would do on the other side once we do find this success. For others, improving one's station in life is the major hurdle to even begin to find sexual success.

Every thread here starts with "do you even lift bro?" which is certainly the easiest life decision you can make to instantly change your life's path for the better. But there is so much more to discuss.

We've touched on limiting your liability in our culture that no longer hides its contempt for men. Instead of the pendulum swinging back as we hoped a few years ago, it is now more dangerous than ever to interact with a woman. Hollywood is getting hit hard, with dozens of accusations coming forward every week.

We've also touched on careers, money, video games, happiness, suicide, depression, drugs, and dozens of other subjects relevant not only to getting laid but to becoming a whole person with a healthy sex life.

But in this we have missed some of the most important aspects to life as men. Comradery, power and tribes.

Those who saw my introduction to the "building power" flair already know where I'm headed with this.

It isn't enough to lift, dress well, and approach women at bars. Women come and go, but the number one factor that has brought meaning and stability to my life wasn't women, it was the network of men in my life who I could depend on. Not just friends, and certainly not casual friends, but instead men that I consider to be my brothers.

Building a network of men that you can rely on is the single-most important requirement in a man's life.

  • What good is avoiding getting falsely accused by a woman... if you don't have a support network for when you do?

  • What good is building power if you don't have men you can depend on to defend you when others attack?

  • What good is having every skill under the sun if you don't have the network to accomplish complicated goals?

When you build this network, it stands to accomplish more than simply being a support network when things go wrong. This network becomes a unit with which you can band together and accomplish goals and tasks with greater efficiency and speed than any individual could. You become an economic and social unit with the strength of diverse specializations that can now compete with the world on incredible footing.

It should come as no surprise that our culture is focused on individualism as its primary mode. Men are at their weakest when they are unable to form tribes, and you better know that it is this very fact that has been used against us. Weak, thirsty men will undermine other men if it means sucking at the teat of social and female validation - even if only briefly. And when all men are focused against each other, they are unable to harness their god-given power, relinquishing it to the those running the show today: those who have built power.

Building power and building a tribe go hand-in-hand. Over the next few weeks we'll be announcing some new features of https://trp.red and TheRedPill forum that will be focusing on helping men build tribes and helping those tribes build power.

But you don't have to wait for me to post about it, you can get started today.

What is building power?

Building power is not something many people tend to consciously describe, but it's something we all work at in our daily lives. Whether it's personal developments such as physical self-improvement, education, discipline, practice, or cumulative work efforts, or simply amassing resources for future use, the goal of building power remains the same:

Maximizing future opportunities.

It doesn't get much simpler than that. Ultimately you are maximizing your options to follow the life strategy you prefer. When you don't have options, you do not have freedom. When you do not have freedom you do not own your fate, somebody else does.

  • If you decide you need a life change from something hindering your growth and happiness, you cannot do this without enough money, resources, or skills to accomplish these changes.

  • If an emergency happens and you need to make sudden life changing choices, you cannot exercise the options for which you have not prepared for.

  • If you want to start a family, you must first be able to provide for them.

  • If you are in danger or trouble, you must first establish a network of support options that can protect you from these dangers or trouble.

So why build tribes?

The first and most obvious answer is comradery: You need a social network and male connections to keep a healthy mind. Do not overlook the benefits of simply having a social friends group. They can bring balance to your life.

But the second and almost as important answer is that they allow you to build power at greater rates, and in ways that an individual is unable to do.

Individuals' specialization is one of the biggest strengths of a tribe. If each member of a tribe has a unique skill set, this can bring power to a group that others lack. For instance, having a mechanic in your tribe makes your tribe immune to automobile breakdowns. Having a lawyer in your group provides incredible resources in case of individual legal problems as well as investigating joint business ventures. This can extend to any number of special skills, professions, and even simple hobbies. Does a member of your group enjoy emergency preparation, HAM radios, and living off the land? A joint venture in your group could put emergency preparedness in his court while he enjoys the benefits of other specializations in your tribe.

The benefits to a tribe are endless:

  • Employment recommendations and opportunities

  • Emergency Preparedness

  • Business and joint venture opportunities

  • Recreational competition

  • Encouragement / iron sharpening iron

  • Physical safety in certain circumstances

  • Shared costs on joint risks and liabilities.

Now, what I describe here sounds an awful lot like a commune, and in some ways it's similar. But understand a tribe does not have to live under one roof, or share food to become a tribe.

To have a tribe you must have a shared understanding and respect for a brotherhood, one that transcends interpersonal politics or disagreements between individuals.

And with that tribe, you can take your strengths and amass power than none of you could individually accomplish without the group.

Some of the ways I am building power in my own tribes consist of building infrastructure that takes us outside of the grasp of those who seek to control us. For instance, while TRP isn't exactly a tribe strictly speaking, I consider the purpose for why we gather together an important brotherhood that rises above all of us individually.

As such, I have been focused on working on communication tools with some of our members (most notably /u/gaylubeoil) on our platform https://trp.red. But it's not limited there. As I mentioned we have more to post in the coming days and weeks, and one of our next big moves is leveraging the size and strength of our community to generate a much larger and decentralized infrastructure that can and will run up against the biggest of enemies.

In my personal tribe, I am following similar advice, ensuring our free and open communication, and developing tools, products and business ideas of which we can share the risk and hopefully share the reward.

Every tribe needs a way to communicate.

It is my opinion that places such as Facebook, Reddit, Twitter and the like are all completely insecure and have been infiltrated from the inside. Your tribe needs a way to coordinate and communicate securely and privately.

Because of this, we will be announcing in the next few weeks a new Tribes feature of our red pill network that will allow like-minded men to band together privately under the banners of shared interests and brotherhood and discuss freely with each other without fear or intimidation from the culture and society at large.

We have many privacy, encryption and safety features to announce, and I'm very excited to get this project off the ground.

We have just soft-launched a web chat on https://trp.red that we're still considering to be in a public beta (no not alpha, yes I've heard the joke) which you're free to try out over the next few days until we decide whether it's stable enough to expand further.

In the mean time, stay tuned. More is coming. It's time for men to take back their own fates.


[–]thebadmanpuntdbaxter 108 points109 points  (28 children)

I struggle with open communication to my IRL tribe because its still heavily plugged in. It makes candid and intimate conversation difficult giving me a sense of isolation. Really looking forward to this.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 84 points85 points  (25 children)

Rule 38 : Think as you like, but behave like others.

[–]anonmmmm112 51 points52 points  (16 children)

This is too hard to do with friends, especially if you want friends you can open up to.

The rule is good anywhere else, but if one wants to not feel lonely. Human connection with like mimded people is needed. You don't have to agree on everything, just agree to go against the norm. Ideas balance themselves anyway.

I recommend the book Radical Honesty. I don't have to say it, but if you have one single friend who you know personally and tell this shit to, you are a lucky mother ducker. Enjoy it, you don't know when's gonna end

[–]subrosa215 17 points18 points  (15 children)

Unfortunately, I think many guys are unable to truly open up to their friends and just try to "behave like others" doing the same old banter bullshit but never let their guard down. We are socialized to never show vulnerability in our spiritually sick society. So the best bet I think is to find dedicated spaces (mens groups) for this way of relating by really and truly opening up to each other as men that are human. Not wannabe idealized movie characters in a pissing contest.

[–]anonmmmm112 3 points4 points  (14 children)

I think this goes into the

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a kind and be treated like one.

The sayings "don't open up" and "be yourself" are both very similar, somehow holding a deep meaning when told by the person. Truth is that each of them mean different things. A royal king of course can be himself (eg not caring, not over analysing) and also doesn't open up (e.g. if he he seems to have the same mindset like the other villagers, and same vulnerabilities what makes him special? Kill him !!)

For the law: Advantages: You will be treated like a king, for a period of time. Disadvantages: You won't really make connection with other people. The others are gonna look up to you, but nor you nor them open up. If you, the king, opens up, then the alure that people give you is diminished. If the "villagers" open up, then the king won't really care, they will seem even weaker than they already are, in which case is the king supposed to have mercy for them? trust them with the future battle?

In today's feminine imperative the females pick and choose what they like in a man: e.g. "masculinity". And no, they don't like a bitchy man, thus don't open up to your bitch. And don't open up much to your managers or employees (if you are the boss in a company) about some possible misfortune that is gonna hit their business. They will think that the business is gonna crash and they will look for other jobs, try to be more assertive with you and seem to take control of those around them. E.g. all the things that happen in a crisis.

I do support having a close male group. I also support never to lend them money (UNLESS they really really need it and there is proof they will starve otherwise), never ask them to do much for you unless there is definitely something for them in it, never ever make business or trade with them, never go pull girls with them, and best not to compete with them in the same domain of activity. All of these don't-s focus the scope of your interactions are PURELY for the friendship itself, and not some competitiveness.

Of course there is some competitiveness. You want to make some more money than those around you. But also by having powerful/intelligent friends around you makes you the average of them. Banter is enough. Unless they really become obnoxious and you warn them, there is no reason to think about the interactions you had with them.

Kids are used to having friends from an early age. I think declining yourself the pleasure of having friends is counterproductive and can fuck you up - eg you isolate yourself (law 18)

Most importantly, you have to surround yourself with people that are willing to not 1up you all the time, or get defensive about your accomplishments, the way you speak, what you have become, what you are becoming. And it's rare, so again, if you do find those people, lucky you ! I think it certainly was luck for me as the best relationships I had seemed to be those that I didn't put any effort in. Add some spiritual connection here with the law of attraction, some kind of vibe between us that said "yea, that guy is smart. let's spend some more time together" i don't know.

Long rumbling, but as everything with the social programming, there is good and bad things. And there is also double meaning to a lot of things.

[–]subrosa215 5 points6 points  (12 children)

Thanks for the reply. Honestly I think that whole king analogy isn't useful for making real connections whatsoever. Maybe for people who are higher in psychopathic traits that will "work" for them, but for folks that aren't that way they'll likely fall flat on their face trying to emulate. I can just imagine the amount of guys who have tried to "build their tribe" with a "king" vibe and gotten completely shut down or ruined potential relationships. All that stuff sounds cool while read on the internet by guys that want to be that way, but the translation into reality is a whole other story. I think it actually takes a lot more strength and courage to walk into an already existing mens group. The weaker man that's unconsciously controlled by deep seated insecurities tries to compensate and inflate himself as a "king" and run the show with a rag tag "group" of his own choosing.

Also, there's a difference between being a bitchy man and opening up. Actually I've found that many bitchy men are created by the repression of their feelings in the first place. Which is why 12 step groups are so helpful, compared to just finding a bunch of decent minded drinking buddies that you can share some intellectual/extra curricular interests with. It takes strength to admit weakness as a man in a mens group. It doesn't take much to pretend that you're in control and running the show. Talk about illusions, The Matrix, and the red pill.

[–]general-heartless 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As the king of your tribe, you have to be able to embrace and ride the chaos to handle leading your tribe through the world. If you can't embrace and navigate safely through the chaos, then work on that skill, and then come back. Some good practice for handling real life chaos is to join the police ground force, or the military or a powerful gang. Basically all the same thing. Or be on the leadership team of a company. Any of these will fine tune your ability to handle stress and lead and thrive in these chaotic situations.

[–]subrosa215 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think you need to go as far as joining the police, military, let a lone a gang lol. I think most men just want to feel male support, which you can find in a local mens group. Which actually has more therapeutic value than joining the police or military. Of course with mens groups it isn't about hierarchy and bullshit. So if you go in with the attitude that you're the king of the tribe you should expect to get taken down a peg real quick.

[–]anonmmmm112 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I didn't mean to express in any way that there is a need for a kingdom and "kings" and "villagers" in a friendship. I will edit my comment later on to further emphasise that I only used that to describe what the imperative suggests that some feelings are better suppressed from men. But the contrary should be done in a close friendship.

[–]subrosa215 1 points1 points [recovered]

Got you. Personally, I don't think any feelings should ever be suppressed by men. That's what's really hurting and holding us back from living truly fulfilled lives. Whenever we suppress that stuff it all falls into our shadow, and then that can grow and unconsciously control us. B/c you better believe we need a release valve every once in a while, which unfortunately translates for many men as a drunken binge, etc. It's just about having the proper space to vulnerably express those feelings. Again, I think that's a marker of true strength in a man. Being able to do that. Especially around a group of dudes who are doing the same thing as you by opening up. It doesn't have to be just one or two close friendships where you can express true feelings. You can walk into a meeting with strangers and feel comfortable doing that because it's a dedicated spot for this stuff.

[–]anonmmmm112 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Not having the courage to say what you want in any type of meaning, is indeed, problematic. Purposefully holding on information & feelings in order to play the game / win the interaction, transaction, fill in the blank, is the goal.

For example I don't mind if some strangers says something that's not nice about me. Especially girls. And this happens a lot in the club. Now a girl would be like 'you are rude', 'can you believe this?'. Whereas me I would probably have no reaction and just stare the guy in the face if he is totally obnoxious, say something, or just move on. My time is precious. I am not gonna spend time educating people how to treat me. I will instead do that non-verbally.

Most of the stuff is fluff and shouldn't upset a high ranking person (man OR woman). There is just not enough time to care enough and most times there is no time to build a relationship. I can appreciate the guy at the corner shop always being nice to me, but I will never go past that. I can't please everybody and I am not looking to be pleased by everybody. Eckart Tolle can help you get into the present moment and not care or get attached to your feelings that much. It's just fluff, most of the time.

You seem to talk about the shadow, and I think you've got that from JBP. JBP also says that what's important in a man is the POSSIBILITY of trouble. Aka he has a gun, but he chooses not to use it. He can fuck somebody up (physically or emotionally), but choose not to. I think that's the real strength and that's how I lead my life.

[–]subrosa215 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Right, well that possibility of trouble comes from the integration of the shadow. Which only happens through expression and assimilation, not suppression. There's a difference between a guy who's integrated his shadow, and a guy who's walking around with an inflated false male persona to compensate for the insecurities buried in his shadow. Hence the need for expression of these feelings or issues in a proper setting. If you're worried about winning interactions with people then you probably fall more in line with a false male persona.

[–]general-heartless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if they would starve otherwise, I'd let them starve. I'd rather have someone around me that resorted to selling drugs or robbing people to eat than someone who resorted to begging. That's a killer right there. The one who is in a low position and fucking does whatever he physically has to, to change his position.

One of the laws is to despise the free lunch. Avoid it at all costs.

[–]Buchloe 16 points17 points  (3 children)

If you happened to support trump, beware being open with these liberal dudes. They will stab you in the back and give you no benefit of the doubt.

[–]LexaBinsr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why would you be friends with them? lol.

People that are anti Trump and liberal guys are just signs of nu males and major betas that will flip to being a feminist and blue pill in hopes to get some pussy.

I'd say you are who you choose to associate with. I wouldn't associate myself with guys that are too liberal, lol. Centrists are where it's at.

[–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, well unfortunately where I live now, centrists are hard to come by. If I wasn't friends with total lefties, at least on the surface, it would be a choice not to socialize.

Hoping that talk of a Redpill social network materializes so I can find some nearby connections.

[–]thebadmanpuntdbaxter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

oh yes, we all play the game

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But court attention at all costs!

These are more guidelines than concrete, but thats prolly why you wrote rule rather than law

[–]abstractplebbit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find that simply being authentic as a well adjusted person that I'm able to lead others to think and act like You would want them to behave.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well technically speaking you have a high chance of finding redpill men @ the gym.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Test the waters a bit.

It’s not as divisive as you think.

I was pleasantly surprised to find about half my friends and probably ninety percent of my extended family unplugged. The only ones that aren’t are post-wall females or males too young or feminine to ascend to an alpha status just yet.

[–]MedinaPharma 1 points1 points [recovered]

Building a tribe of comrades is not as easy as one would think. My brother works in the oil industry as an operations engineer. (Think, skilled laborer). Their crew is around 12 people. Over the last 3 years, my brother has built a good relationship with all of them. Taking their shifts, going hunting with a few of them etc... Over the course of his employment, the consensus was that the majority of his coworkers were displeased with the conditions of the job and wanted to unionize. My brother, being an ambitious Afghan vet wanted to take the challenge and lead his "tribe" on the civilian front. So he takes the initiative to start the process of unionizing. Organizes meetings, brings in the union consultant etc.. He had 9/12 guys tell him, we're with you man, 100% union for sure. Just give us the opportunity and we'll vote to go union. Well management got word of what was going on and they brought in "union busters". These people are consultants that sit down with each worker and do their best to convince that voting union is not in their best interest. They brought in doughnuts, pizza during their meetings and so on. After 3 days of "union busting", my brothers 9/12 become 2/12 and on vote day my brother was the only one who voted to go union. After that whole ordeal, my brother is now the one being considered for termination for starting this whole thing.

The lesson here is, people act first and foremost very selfishly. Perhaps its just a Western thing. I don't see a lot of Americans sacrifice themselves in droves for any kind of belief system. The people who achieve great power are the people who can get people to do things that are contrary to their self interest.

Unfortunately, I can't give any real advice as to how to go about building power and loyalty from others the right way. I'm just reporting back with a situation that happened to my brother just last month. The pattern I'm seeing is that people will tell you they're with you, but as soon as shit hits the fan, they will always act in their own personal self interest. So I would imagine that you shouldn't rely on people in your tribe for anything significant? Again, I have no idea. Any insight here would be helpful.

[–]GenieGenius 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Human beings are cowardly and selfish creatures by nature. Appeal to their risk-averse self-serving nature when building tribes and understand that true comraderie can only be formed over non-physical ascetics, primarily wisdom.

[–]dontbanforusernames 2 points3 points  (4 children)

And are you different from all other humans? If you value loyalty why can’t/don’t others?

[–]GenieGenius 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Because people have evolved to be selfish. It's not good or bad, it's just what our ancestors did that worked best.

[–]dontbanforusernames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know if that answered either question did it? Or do U propose u answered a question that I was really curious about( imo those were the questions but I can’t prove it)

[–]SpookyDookyDoo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Everybody’s different. The prisoner’s dilemma paints a similar scenario.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma

Notice they get mixed results from testing it. The simple reality is everyone thinks and reasons differently.

This interactive game details how these issues about trust play at large: http://ncase.me/trust/

[–]subrosa215 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing this experience from your brother. I have family that's gone through a similar union mishap. The corporate and political world have really fucked unions over the years. Not to mention theres all sorts of weird internal politics in unions as well that come up. So either way there's a lot of short straw drawing. It's kind of like activist circles when there's a lot of ego involved trying to solve a problem with too many cooks in the kitchen. Like you said, the lesson here is that people are very selfish. So maybe it shouldn't be so much about building your own tribe in that kind of individualistic way. But instead finding one that's already established like a 12 step group. This space specifically addresses selfishness and provides the tools to move away from this diseased mindset.

[–]N8_Doge 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Humans are selfish and that includes MEN. Lol you guys have this idea all men are going to be your brothers and have your back no matter what. Men are just as fucking conniving and selfish as women are.

[–]drty_pr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

weak Men are just as fucking conniving and selfish as women are

Problem being, very few men aren't weak. I can't stress VERY FEW enough.

[–]pridebrah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indeed. There's a bit of an illusion here that 'brotherhoods' are the standard. The truth is you'll be lucky to have 1-2 people truly worthy of being called a brother in your lifetime, and you will run into many shitty men along the way. The rest will merely be acquaintances, neither extremely good nor bad.

[–]uwey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

not an easy thing to pull off, if i

The perfect scenario would be:

1) Use his network skill to come up with a scapegoat FIRST, someone who trust him and pretty egotistic and can be easily manipulated.

2) Went on and spread the rumor of union, best to united someone in the company and wait for union buster to show, watch them fight. While monitor and watch the outcome in the shadow.

3) no matter which side wins, your brother should reap benefits. Company wins, he get's good rep and probably a promotion, Union wins, he becomes 2nd in command and can replace the current leader (think Putin)

He chooses side too early. He had no backup (he thought he did) He had no scapegoat to shift the blame to and can't keep his hand clean. He had spent 3 years build a false sense of safety, that is deadly. Everyone is on their own.

With the best tool in hand, what I see the best position is being the #2, and select the #1 you can find it easily replaced or sacked. Also at the same time had 3 or more things to fall back in case what you invest in doesn't work. (A Job, a hobby that brings you money, a network that you can use to get connection etc)

The decision, decision, decisions......

[–]whydidiwin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“My brother, being an ambitious..”

Was he looking to help out his coworkers or was this a move for him to improve his own situation?

“So he takes the initiative to start the process of unionizing.”

Usually not an easy thing to pull off, if it can even be done at all. Especially true in smaller groups of workers.

“Well management got word of what was going on and they brought in "union busters.”

Management is obviously going to use their resources to stop this. Did your brother not realize this?

“They brought in... on vote day my brother was the only one who voted to go union. After that whole ordeal, my brother is now the one being considered for termination for starting this whole thing.”

Your brother played this wrong. If on vote day he only had a solid 2/12 then WHY THE FUCK would he vote union? You’ve already lost and are just putting a larger target on your back.

“The lesson here is, people act first and foremost very selfishly.”

The lesson here is to know what your getting yourself into. Your brother obviously had no idea how tough it would be. Your story makes him look incredibly naive.

“The people who achieve great power are the people who can get people to do things that are contrary to their self interest.”

Your brother failed at this. People can talk all the shit they want. At that moment in time, when your livelihood is on the line, do you expect people to act against their own best interests?

Reads like your brother was looking to improve his own standing and gain from this union proposal. He didn’t accurately gauge how difficult the task was, what he’d be up against, and how people behave in the workplace. He was naive to intricacies of the business world and wrongfully thought that they would be the same as his army life. Hopefully he learns from this.

[–]halfback910 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean... fuck unions, though.

[–]MRPFuckMe1 25 points26 points  (9 children)

While I do believe in the power of online communities and digital communication, it’s a poor substitute for a tribe.

I’ve always wished for a way to find red pillers in my city. Perhaps a feature exists and I don’t know about it?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 18 points19 points  (6 children)

The tools we're building can and should be used for local tribes, not just online tribes. My local friends and I are sometimes one to two hours apart so getting together is tough, especially when we can't communicate.

[–]markbowick 1 points1 points [recovered]

My tribe uses Signal to communicate. One of the key reasons I trust it is because it's open source, and I can inspect the code myself. Will your tools also be open source? How can we verify privacy and authenticity of our communications?

[–]anonmmmm112 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Slack is an alternative. No one is coming after you if you are a small group thus I don't worry that my messages are scanned for political views.

[–]Sum_of_all_beers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

+1 for slack. Me and a couple of bros started a Slack channel amongst ourselves, it has now become our default social network (ie Facebook for people you actually give a shit about). The first thing you notice after a while is the total lack of mindless image crafting posts and selfies, as everyone on that Slack channel has already seen everyone else at both their worst and best.

[–]dontbanforusernames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn’t have to be a personally targeted attack.. it could be a scan of everyone and you set off alarms. Don’t be foolish.

[–]1Inchado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How exactly do we find other people from our cities in that website? There's also the problem of being doxxed I guess, although in many European countries people really would not give two shits about it.

[–]Eclectiqque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like something that can help you find people from the same city would be useful. I'd love meeting an endorsed user from london

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you by any chance live in Stockholm Sweden?

[–]Grauseus 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I have a "tribe". I just wanted to say some things for you guys to note.

  1. It takes time. A lot of time. It seems to me that most things in life have an efficient shortcut if you know what you're doing and are willing to put the time in. Friendship/brotherhood does not. I started building my tribe way back in my childhood. I've known all of the guys I know today for for over 4-18 years. Do not mistake a hobby group for a true tribe. Too many people do this and get fucked.

  2. Think about this from an evolutionary standpoint. Men went out to hung together. They needed each other to watch each other's backs. Trust was paramount to success. It gives a feeling of safety and helps with emotional development.

  3. A good tribe contains good doses of criticism. If you aren't willing to shit on each other when you guys are fucking up, your tribe is worth nothing. It's just a small version of any of the other hive-mind, shallow groups (left,right, feminists, etc).

  4. You may find that the people who you connect with will be vastly different than what you thought in terms of personality. Instead, try to look for people based on core principles you believe in. Example:

-Honor - Do they keep their word?

-Loyalty - Has this person ever fucked anybody over? Do they used other people? If so, what makes you any different to them?

-Truth - Do they want to speak openly and accurately picture themselves and others?

-Curiosity - Are they open to having tough conversations about things they are irrational about? I had a friend who was pretty much a communist until me and my buddies deconstructed every part of the marxist argument though it took him about 4 months to come around.

[–]GoGetting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that "tribes" (cohorts?) are primarily developed through going through adversity together (even if it's trivial adversity like exams). One of the reasons "hazing" is used: a cheap substitute.

Also what helped cement Christianty and Islam into perpetuation.

Not sure how that could be done for the group "men looking to get laid" though, what the equivalent would be.

[–]TheRedPillMonkey 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Wonderful. I'm excited for this. Part of this post was essentially deconstructing "bro's before hoes" which makes a lot of sense.

Building a solid tribe of friends, colleagues, coworkers, and employees has been immensely helpful for my personal growth. It's lead to a senior executive level position by the page of 30, millions worth of crypto currency, and a hell of a lot of fun with the boys who would all show up with a shotgun and a shovel with no other information required. All of that was made possible with the right friends in the right places, at the right time, who are a big enough part of my tribe to look out for me the way I would them.

Fostering those opportunities here seem like the perfect use of the platform.

It's only a shame we need lots of privacy and encryption to accomplish.

[–]priestfrommiddleeast 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hell yes! The Red Pill should also think of permitted blockchain-based technology for maximum privacy and security!

Also, regarding tribes, there should be a location-based option! It would be sick to communicate with people based in cities.

[–]biglaughingcock 13 points14 points  (0 children)

What I've learned from the red pill is that sexual dynamics are so convoluted and over analyzed that even if you understand the theories, success in practice is still very rare.

The way you actually acquire bitches is to have a big network. Lots of friends. You should go out with girls and guys who are also dating other guys and girls, and you should meet all these people and see what they have to offer. There is no resentment in this world, that is not red pill.

[–]NormalAndy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

No- I have my brothers and I have people who I befriend as a way to advance. There’s a difference for me.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree, not everybody should be in your tribe.

[–]lurchmasterflex 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Dude this hits home for me. I need to up my tribe game for sure! Since moving two years ago I can have a different plate over every night of the week but miss opportunities of expanding my social network of guys. Dating apps make it so easy to meet chicks so the gym has been my primary place of making new friends but I definitely need to put myself out there more.

[–]redmanhuxley 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Thank you! I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I had a major exodus from my religion and pretty much became an atheist. At first it was very liberating, but then I realized I was alone. The more I've thought about it the more I've regretted the decision. Going back would be a long arduous process that I don't think would be a worthwhile effort. Plus, I think the culture of the vast majority of Christian denominations has been infected with SJW garbage, and has completely perverted the original meaning of it. Religion is meant to be a strong social network, and to help people understand, participate in, and find peace within their role of a hierarchy. "Hierarchy" is to the Modern Western world what garlic is to a vampire.

We all know that the West has been diligently destroying religion which is the common man's most beneficial social network outside his family. I have been trying to find a place where I can actually meet people in person who think like me. Hopefully something like this can be facilitated within TRP community.

Something else of note. During my time in sales, I learned that the verbal portion of communication (the words themselves) makes up only 7% of the message we convey. The other 93% is paraverbal (the tone, emphasis, inflection, etc.) or nonverbal (body language, facial expression), which we cannot convey through the current medium.

[–]Diddlydangerous 1 points1 points [recovered]

People should not bond in death cults. Sacrificing chickens and cows and committing suicide to repair wrongdoing is not moral. Setting science back hundreds of years to do so has killed countless people.

What's the alternative? Probably technologically inspired meetups like this one, where we can communicate with individuals who think like us (whether or not that's too homogeneous for hormesis to occur) and having the 85% percent of people whose libidinal energy is sublimated toward parental abstractions redirect their energy into improving the local culture, thinking hard about honest existential issues, and engaging in civic affairs without intellectual blinders on.

You can already see the rise of cultural relativistic awareness in believers who are faced with the "outsider test for faith" question in Anthony Magnascabo's Street Epistemology sessions on Youtube for instance. It may be tough for us as a species by nature to develop tight bonds with those outside of our "in-groups" as religion forces us to do, but damn. In the next hundred years we are going to have one culture altering the genome to extend life and alter consciousness and another culture still worshiping invisible sky Gods.

[–]redmanhuxley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

See, I am a BIG fanboy of Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins. I admire them greatly. I have been in online meet up groups for atheists/agnostics. The truth is they suck. You know why? Because they are groups founded on a LACK of something, the only thing that unites us is our shared sense of cynicism. I am someone who is trying very very hard to remediate my depression and make something positive out of my life. Science proves that you have to speak positively and be grateful to trick your mind into being happy. Tell me the benefit of sitting around with a bunch of people while we all shit on religion, pretend that life is relativistic, and spout the meaningless sperg drivel you just slobbered all over the manosphere? You say things like "hormesis", "libidinal energy is sublimated toward parental abstractions", "sacrificing chickens and cows and committing suicide to repair wrongdoings." Don't you realize how ridiculous you sound? No one relates to you, you have gone way down the rabbit hole on some weird philosophy shit. I'm right with you on you're criticism of Religion but I see it very differently.

I hope that I can someday unite with people who think like me on TRP in person. Pragmatically though, I am not holding out a lot of hope. Starting big movements like that are incredibly difficult, and 99% of the time they just don't work. I have to think about myself and the future. If the only way to have a bunch of positive people in my life is to associate with a Christian denomination then so be it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I believe everything is about sex

Except sex. Sex is about power.

[–]Master1176 2 points3 points  (1 child)

*camaraderie

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

camaraderie

Today I learned

[–]rhoas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One way that a lot of you reading this could form at least a rudimentary tribe, is through meeting aspiring PUAs and converting them to a more TRP-esque way of thinking.

I met a bunch of young guys trying to run RSD game on girls at a club the other day, and it wasn't working on them. I invited them to my place. Had a conversation with them on how neediness was hurting their attractiveness and how they were making women their mission, told them to read Models (Manson). I'm now taking them out to daygame this afternoon. They all seem to look up to me, and why shouldn't they? I wish someone could have done the same thing to me at that stage of my game.

[–]Librehombre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Be careful,

Any grouping of males is a danger to the status quo. Remember the militia movement? One wrong move by one member and the whole group gets smeared. Remember the alt right in Virginia?

[–]Darth_Toenail 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those who have sex carry on humanity. Those who don't - or at least don't prioritise it - often advance it.

[–]anonmmmm112 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good stuff! I am part of the discord unofficial server. It's only disadvantage is that it's not very popular, but it's great otherwise. A lot of knowledge being spread, kept in a good state.

I have my tribe IRL but would love to give advice on IT programming stuff. Been doing it for a.. Many years.

Currently the website is off but once it's on shoot me messages i would be glad to be your mentor. Already am to 2 guys. Peace

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm happy to see concrete steps forward in our movement.

[–]redpillwow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Great post.

Desperately trying to get my friends to unplug. The journey continues.

[–]OfficialBananas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting your friends to unplug might not be the best idea since they are not ready to be unplugged. They will be able to unplug when they are ready to be unplug.

[–]cBIGONE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really like this idea. I have a few tribe members in my everyday life as well. I find getting new tribe members incredibly difficult,as most men I meet are willing to backstab you, lie about you, and fuck you over in order to have the chance at getting a woman or a job ahead of you

[–]ShinobiKrow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My main problem with "tribes" is that 99% of the men from my city have little to nothing in common with me, other than the love for pussy. I'm not interested in having a "tribe" made of people i don't enjoy being around. I'm a very reserved guy with peculiar tastes. I have a small group of friends that i trust and with whom i can share my interests. Finding people like that is extremely hard. I've had "tribes" in the past and they all turned out to be people i couldn't really trust. I'm not a believer in big groups. I'm all about quality, not quantity.

Though you can benefit from having a tribe, you can also benefit from not having one. You shouldn't force yourself to do something you aren't inclined to do.

[–]DAN1999i 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the realest shit I've read in a long time. This is something I've only learnt recently and it's great you're spreading the message. When I was around 14-16 the majority of my friend group was female I had plenty of guy friends but the group I spent the most time with and was closest with were mainly female (I had two guy friends who were in this group). Around the time I turned 17 myself and the other two guys started to get closer with more males, over the space of a month or two we had quickly established a "tribe" with 10 of us in total. This made such a difference tbh, the sense of comradery was and still is very fulfilling and it's just made all our day to day lives a lot more fun. Women can't satisfy men's social needs.

Looking forward to the future posts.

[–]GoGetting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will there be a secret handshake?

[–]NormalAndy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sounds like cronyism. But I guess that only has a bad name because of skull & bones/ frat rats.

Still, I think almost every brotherhood and institution begins with noble intentions. Check out what happens when they stick around too long! (Yes I’m looking at you Organised Religion :-)

Forming relationships is good but it’s also important to know where to cut the cord and retain independence. I know which requires most inner strength. Greed and pissing contests are not without fault.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Forming relationships is good but it’s also important to know where to cut the cord and retain independence

I think when you and your brother see war together, the idea that your relationship is simply that weak is foreign to both.

[–]FriendlyAdvisor-v2 1 point2 points  (5 children)

OP I think the next book you should read is how to win friends and influence people. It fits in exactly with the premise of your essay and is a very beneficial book on how to win the hearts and minds of others.

[–]Kingoffistycuffs 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Lol, you realize that RPS is the founder of trp right?

[–]FriendlyAdvisor-v2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I didnt. Oops! Still a good book though.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not the founder but I've been around a while.

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[–]TheNextMilo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As soon as you used the example of if you have an X worker you are better off in Y problem” logic, I immediately began to realise what you meant. If tribes were more common, it would improve men’s lives many fold.

[–]grlahmb 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Question.

Is the email address used for a TRP.RED account anonymous or can people see it?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Anonymous. We designed the entirety of trp.red with privacy in mind. For instance, your profile is entirely optional, don't fill in anything you don't want to share. We even support 2-factor authentication with google authenticator if you really want to lock it down.

[–]theposhlad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a lot to say that I can just sum it up with, Amen. Much respect.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the chat secure? I can add libsignal if it's xmpp based and make sure it's cryptographically safe. Hit me up.

[–]whalegirth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm still a relatively new RP, but I have been reading about two books a week on the topic. I'm starting to realize that building my social network is probably the most important goal I should pursue for 2018. I have always defaulted to blaming my introversion for not making any real effort with my friends and I'm ready to change that.

Can any of you recommend any good books to read on human relationships? I read HTWFIP and I'm interested in reading "The Conversation Code: How to Upgrade Your Social Skills and Your Life". Have any of you read it? Also, if you have the epub, you'll make my day.

[–]marinscorp 1 points1 points [recovered]

I actually applaud you for posting this thread, it was long and much needed but there are a few things I wanted to add to it.

Having a good social network makes it significantly easier to get some of the more desirable women out there.

You see the 9s and 10s? They're not dating hermits and the guys who go out alone, almost all of them are with guys that have an established social network. Notice how a lot of these women head out with their social group mixed with men and women. Almost every single good looking woman with options is going to take a socially well connected guy over a guy with things like wealth, game, and even good looks. Women feel safe around socially well connected guys that have a network.

A "red pill" tribe is not going to be that great of an idea because unlike you, most of these guys do not practice what they preach.

The "MGTOWs" and others who are still lost in life serve no value to you as a man. Your tribe must reflect who you are. No need to make friends with those that cannot afford to live in a decent area when you are raking in the big bucks, this is simply a bad decision. Instead you make friends with people who are more like you and can help you get to the next level.

You must bring value.

It is just like dating, you better have something to offer to alpha males if you want their acknowledgement. Alpha males do not make friends with those that need their friendship, it is often one that helps both parties. You must be a person of value in order to actually become a part of such a tribe or else it is a waste of time.

Social media is the future of tribes.

It is where we are headed, unfortunately. People think you're weird in the young generation if you're not on it and often think there is something wrong.

[–]Triadis3 1 points1 points [recovered]

Again with your social network is "everything" trolling.

You can try cover it with frosting, but this isn't about getting the greatest number of Facebook likes.

Spamming Troll.

Same five questions, weekly. Well over a year now. Spammer.

1 - How do I get more valuable social media/dating app likes?

2 - How do you deal with shitty life now that college is over?

3 - I'm a minority. How do I deal with that? Women don't like me.

4 - I'm in a boring 9-5 job. What should I do? Bartend?

5 - What is up with southern women? They don't like me.

Don't waste your time replying. He's gotten thousands of responses and does absolutely nothing but ask the same questions again and again. It's "pure comedy" according to him.

Report as spam and move on. REALLY nothing to see here.

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[–]marinscorp -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this is getting fun now isn't it? I have a fan, didn't even want to post on this sub but I am sticking around now, thanks for the invite.

[–]MrEscher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

much needed, and I'm glad you pointed out the self sabotage. There are many "alpha-esque" males undercutting their "friends" for temporary gains. Very plugged in to the matrix.

It for sure encourages isolationism.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men interested in this subject would do well to read “The Way of Men” by Jack Donovan. He calls this concept “starting the world”.

[–]neurosissss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People are tribal, but also very individualistic.

Build yourself up first, seek a tribe after you're capable of standing on your own feet in life, and be ready to the possibility that anyone of your "tribe" can desert it.

Your brother fucked up and should have let someone else take the spotlight in the uprising against the company. He got cucked, so to speak, by the management and when push came to shove no one wanted to take responsibility after the attempt failed.

Your brother was used.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a good idea and I wish you the best, however the fundamental problem remains that this is a community based around lone wolfing through society.

Thanks for the reminder about trp.red though.

[–]megamanxtc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this post. Truly, friendship is the real value in life - and true friendships are a characteristic uniquely male.

[–]lilrshambo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I joined a Fraternity during my freshman year of college, and I can honestly say that I have found my tribe within this decision. Everything stated in the initial article has described my experience almost in its entirety; so if anyone is looking into a way to find their tribe, and has the accessibility to greek life, you should take a look at Greek life.

[–]Crespius66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I live in a house with 20 people. I'm the outcast. there are 3 sub groups, 2 with their own leaders and a few followers, one is a sub-group of "independents", who,like me, don't follow anyone but everyone gravitates around us, and we can be either temporary followers or some even toppling the leaders temporarily while we mingle, like me.

I consider, people like the "outcasts",despite being in large groups (schools,classmates,colleages,etc) are just misplaced. They can be charismatic,charming,have game,excellent social skills and be "alpha", but not being able to lead a group just yet. Why not? Simple, they're out of their habitats,their own personal elements. Eventually many find their own groups, becoming tribe leaders and enjoying a much better social life than the exluding one they may be used to. It is still about Cliques, about people like yourself- unless of course you're the ultracharismatic polititian type who can just make everyone, regardless of any factor to jump into your band.

These are my observations living in this house with 20 ppl ( 30at a point) feel free to include it into your own if you like dude.

[–]Crespius66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I live in a house with 20 people. I'm the outcast. there are 3 sub groups, 2 with their own leaders and a few followers, one is a sub-group of "independents", who,like me, don't follow anyone but everyone gravitates around us, and we can be either temporary followers or some even toppling the leaders temporarily while we mingle, like me.

I consider, people like the "outcasts",despite being in large groups (schools,classmates,colleages,etc) are just misplaced. They can be charismatic,charming,have game,excellent social skills and be "alpha", but not being able to lead a group just yet. Why not? Simple, they're out of their habitats,their own personal elements. Eventually many find their own groups, becoming tribe leaders and enjoying a much better social life than the exluding one they may be used to. It is still about Cliques, about people like yourself- unless of course you're the ultracharismatic polititian type who can just make everyone, regardless of any factor to jump into your band.

These are my observations living in this house with 20 ppl ( 30at a point) feel free to include it into your own if you like dude.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is something I started doing in December and already the dividends it has paid back has well be worth the effort.

Being the person your group that can and does connect everyone together is quite possibly the most powerful position you can be in.

[–]phouka_fey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is awesome that you're doing this. Will the tribes be regional? I'd be very interested in being a part of a local RP tribe.