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Red Pill ExampleBranch swinging 101 on the confessions subreddit: "I'm in love with both my boyfriend and our best friend" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Most of TRP is theory or personal field reports, which is fine. But from time to time it's helpful to take a field trip into the actual mind of a female, so we can see that Red Pill is truly valid and not just in our own heads. Red Pill is reality. So let's take a field trip today, buckle your seatbelts cause this bus is going to make a sharp turn into some very fucked up territory.

On the confessions subreddit a girl has posted about being in love with two men at once - her dopey, lovable beta boyfriend and the unavailable best friend who's close to them both.

his best friend quickly became mine as we share many passions. We've also all lived together for a few years and I've sort of become the "housewife", minding the apartment for both of them. I will never act on it because it would destroy my boyfriend, and he will always be my #1, but lately I think about the best friend all the time, I fantasize about having sex with him, and at this point pretty much always have to think about fucking him to get "in the mood". I hate it, I hate myself, and I know our friend is too morally strong to ever make a move on me. This whole situation is like a pair of fresh white Reeboks, that's how hard it is kicking my ass.

Please don't tell me to move out because it is not an option for the next few months.

I want to note a few things hear that we can glean from red-tinted glasses.

1) She's hamstering faster than the Millenium Falcon going through hyperspace. She loudly says that her boyfriend is her "number #1"... maybe trying to justify her crush to us, maybe trying to justify it to herself? Because it clearly does not reflect the actual situation. This is classic female self deception. If she can repeat a lie over and over again it almost becomes like truth! Right?

2) Her fantasy about the best friend is rooted in a more primal, sexual desire. She's fine being the "housewife" (fucking lol) for her boyfriend but he does absolutely nothing to excite her jimmies. On the other hand, when sexuality is brought up she literally can't get wet without thinking about the man she'd rather have. The forbidden fruit, so to speak. Females absolutely go ga-ga over this stuff. It's the cornerstone of why they go after emotionally unavailable men, men who don't pay them attention, etc - because it's a useful heuristic for determining who is a stoic alpha and who isn't. Women are always looking to branch swing.

3) Moving out is not an option for a few months. This betrays her inner psyche even despite all the hamstering. Did you see how she added the few months part at the end? Though she keeps insisting her boyfriend is number 1, her mind is doing the math to figure out when she can leave him for the more exciting prospect of fucking a free man. She's with the boyfriend because of stability and security, not love, not passion.

Then there's this delightful exchange:

Commenter: If you have to think about his friend to get in the mood are you sure he’s your #1? Just food for thought

OP: Absolutely. I can see us being together for a long time. We've built a life as a couple. If I imagine my life with friend instead, it does not seem stable or happy. I think we're both passionate but too unstable. We would probably kill each other if we tried to date.

BOOM. Red Pill in its most naked form, gentlemen. We now find out the best friend is "dangerous" and dark. He's unstable. She knows he'd be a terrible provider. And guess what... that makes her wet. That's the kind of alpha behavior that makes all women wet, OP is not an exception.

So a few learning points here. #1, don't get in a serious relationship with a girl unless you want to be dealing with this shit 24/7, branch swinging and upgrading is an eternal process in the female mind. #2, if you absolutely must commit to a woman, don't let her hang out with other dudes too much. It's a law of nature that eventually the female will start scoping for better options.


[–]Trowawayantifap28 584 points585 points  (35 children)

our friend is morally to strong to ever make a move on me

So basically she would fuck him right away if he let her.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 208 points209 points  (5 children)

Most important part of the text.

[–]KnowBrainer 58 points59 points  (4 children)

Between that and "id never act on it... I can't move out for a few months".

Woman uses "never" for strong, immediate emphasis rather than to literally mean a long duration.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Women literally speak garbage. That's the only worthwhile deduction once you've seen this story repeated enough.

[–]KnowBrainer 28 points29 points  (0 children)

It makes way more sense why the decline of our nation began immediately after woman's suffrage. Their emotional language doesn't translate into government legislation in a useful way.

[–]_Ba_Dum_Tss_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

My ex told me she'd "never" leave me even back when I was blue pilled. And I'm fucking glad she did leave, otherwise I'd still be sucking up to her

[–]antariusz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Some women are even worse trash.

My last ex was texting me “I love you” the same day she was fucking another guy.

AWALT. Some are just better at hiding it / suppressing it.

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (22 children)

Then she could also absolve herself of any moral responsibility.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 141 points142 points  (19 children)

Not moral responsibility. Guilt.

Women don't have morals, because evolution never required that they function on an honour system. They are dependent creatures, and thus they are beholden to the power of shame and ostracism.

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (18 children)

One interesting truth I've noticed is that women do not philosophize about morality like men do. Men may disagree and argue about morality, but to a woman the entire concept that you might think about a situation and then decide whether it is moral or not based on nothing but logic just does not register. To women, a thing is moral if others say it is, almost by definition.

[–]sat_ta 56 points57 points  (1 child)

to a woman the entire concept that you might think about a situation and then decide whether it is moral or not based on nothing but logic just does not register. To women, a thing is moral if others say it is, almost by definition.

Bingo.

Lurkers, if you're new to the redpill, this is one of the most important truths in life. Write it down ten times and repeat it as daily mantra.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Their "morality" can be defined as Facebook (or Instagram) morality. A surface.

There's no dishonest thing they are above doing — just, they'll make sure it doesn't get shared to their social media contacts, and they'll say "thank you" in closing their (dishonest) speech.

[–]1Metalageddon 34 points35 points  (6 children)

Yeah. I know this first hand.

In college there were a few female Phil students. The super majority did fine with logic, but couldn't handle ethics. At all. Worst grades ever. It's like their brains couldn't wrap around another person's perspective, or someone having a different measurement stick to base propositions on.

Frustrated a few of the professors a lot.

[–]p3n1x 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I think this is the strength in TRP. Men, don't bitch about this, DO NOT get frustrated. Stop wishing a block of lead can be turned into gold through our "logic".

This is how Mother Nature wired them. Acceptance.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Solipsism. Being able to imagine another person's perspective requires the capacity for abstract thought.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Solipsists are the most abstract thinkers of all, and solipsism is the reverse of "herd member".

"solipsism" is a widely misused word.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Interesting. Did any of the professors have a moment of awakening? Or was their programming too strong?

[–]1Metalageddon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The tenure professors didn't give a single fuck. But most of them started their career pre-2000. The dean of philosophy actually kicked people out of his courses if they couldn't handle discussion. Love him to death. 65yr old old-school Brit.

Interestingly enough, another hardass who would openly mock you is this hot, I mean fucking bombshell 32 year old woman. She would openly mock you for not being able to handle words. It was beautiful. I'm pretty sure she soaked her panties every time.

The newer ones walked on eggshells and even skipped topics from time to time. (I mean skipping straight from the syllabus. We skipped abortion in a graduate level normative ethics class for 2 girls having a "panic attack".)

The only reason I know a bit extra is because my parents both taught for over 30yrs each, they retired around 03, when sjws began infiltrating schools oddly enough. I was also a t.a. but I'm not going to teach anymore. Fuck that noise. The hours are great but it's not teaching anymore, it's only conditioning.

Read panic attack as cry for attention

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can never say or know, because even if they are aware of the truth, they have to feign they aren't.

[–]-ATLAS-_ 34 points35 points  (3 children)

I remember reading a study from a Harvard researcher on differences of the sexes in management.

Men tend to think about Morality in terms of Ethics (justice and rules and individual rights and the outcomes if they are applied to everyone). It leads to formal rights that are abstract and can be defined without any change for each individual but they can be reactionary.

Women tend to think about Ethics in terms of Morality (relationships and competing responsibility rather than defined rights). It requires a narrative to enforce and shifts with each individual.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Or why we're fine with Chad but they hate other promiscuous women. Interesting.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

As women gain more power their way of thinking becomes dominant. what a disaster.

[–]-ATLAS-_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As society becomes more centralized, women's way of thinking becomes more dominant in that society...

The rules for males are usually applicable to territory, the rules for females are usually applicable for relationships among society.

That's at least my take on it. As a man, I have to understand what territory I'm occupying and how to make sure I can dominate it. Most people can't keep up or think in that way because they are busy navigating multiple responsibilities, and women are much better at navigating multiple responsibilities than men. Men are better at sacrificing everything to focus on one goal (competition to gain territory). Again, that's my understanding of it based on the science.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 18 points19 points  (1 child)

This is an important insight to have.

Recall that, since women are dependent creatures, they must extract the provisioning they need from us - mainly by playing to our natural protective instinct for them.

But of course, if a woman can convince multiple men to provide for her, then she has an advantage over a woman who restricts herself to one man at a time.

This is where women's lack of morals AND compulsion to collect orbiters comes from.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's important to always remember that women are opportunists and that the only thing that is holding them back is not morals or empathy, but it's lack of opportunity and that she has been taught options.

[–]PeggedByOwlette 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's because they work backwards from their imoral act using the hamster to rationalize it. The conversation about morality happens in their head to a panel of lunatic versions of themselves.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, for that matter, they can't philosophize on anything.

[–]noct3rn4l 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Seems like she already has..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's always the main point... to not be responsible.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 18 points19 points  (3 children)

It has to be his fault.

Please don't tell me to move out because it is not an option for the next few months.

But her grinding tingles for this guy is going to torture her for a few months. This post isn't a confession. She wants people to help her through the branch-swing process.

If would all be a lot easier for all involved if he'd just fuck her and get it done with. I've seen this all too many times. I had a brief piece of ass for a bit and our association was purely a means for her to get out of a relationship. I didn't know any of this at the time, but I got it from some of her workmates later. Apparently, what pushed her over the edge and lift her tail at me was them carrying out an intervention of sorts, where they cornered her. They got tired of hearing about it all from her, just like this post. As one of the workmates tells it, she just kept repeating to this lass, "just fuck him already."

We fucked a few times. She was "caught." The relationship ended quick and neat. She moved on from me for her next opportunity. It really was the best resolution for all including the ex. She could have left him wallowing in a miserable relationship for years.

[–]rationalthought314 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This post isn't a confession. She wants people to help her through the branch-swing process.

Pretty much. She wants support mainly from other women and a few sympathy blue pill guys to tell her that she should go with her heart (i.e. her vagina) and go for the passion or conversely she wants to feel guilty to make it more naughty like some trash romance novel.

[–]Alexinfinite01 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What stupid logic. Dumb bitch just can't dump the guy? What needlessly complicated mess

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without a new branch, woman falls from the tree.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also sounds like beta BF is more of an economic support / meal ticket than a love interest taken from the “we built our life together” part.. aka he buys her stuff and feeds her so she’s comfortable with him.

[–]eccentricrealist 47 points48 points  (4 children)

We would probably kill each other if we tried to date

It's not how she feels about you, rather, how much

[–]2awalt_cupcake 9 points10 points  (0 children)

most underated comment here

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

took me a sec to understand but this is deep

[–]SlyAM 116 points117 points  (14 children)

If I let my girlfriend, my best friend, and me of course live together, I’d just start calling myself the king of cucks! Unless he’s some fat beta gamer that’s one thing, but if his SMV is as high or higher than yours... well obviously that’s not a good idea.

Eventually she will branch swing. Even if you are doing everything right the attraction will grow, slowly but it will grow. Then the next thing you know you’re getting kicked out of your own house and losing your job. AWALT!

Like OP said it “law of nature”.

edit: There has been lots of responses to this comment. I am simply agreeing with OP because in my eyes, he is spot-fucking-on!

It also helps that I’ve seen the same exact situation (as described in the post) play out right before my eyes, so rightfully I am somewhat biased.

Everyone has their own opinions ladies, get over it.

[–]askmrcia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol you got me thinking of my current living situation. I currently live with my best friend from high school and his wife. I was new to the city end they took me in.

Now I would never do anything to his wife. Good thing is I'm not attracted to her. But even if I was, there's no way Id do anything to her. And I do try to avoid being around her as best as I can when it's just us two in the house.

But your comment made me think that maybe that could be what goes through his mind.

I'm single, have brought girls back to the house a few times and do fun things like swing dancing and sports.

The husband? He has a good job and he does work out, but that's about it. His main hobby includes smoking weed all the time and playing video games. But again, I don't brag about this stuff and neither of them no what I do unless they ask. So if there is any hint of resentment on the wife's part I try to avoid it.

Don't know, I wouldn't call him a cuck, but this is definitely on my mind now after reading your comment.

[–]SillyPutty47 15 points16 points  (12 children)

Sounds like a shitty best friend you've got.

[–]majorketone 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Law of Power #2 "Never put too much trust in friends, learn how to use enemies"

[–]SillyPutty47 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Define "too much". Trusting your friend not to fuck your girlfriend is a low bar to set for trust. I hardly think that's putting too much trust in a friend.

[–]ipv6fx 18 points19 points  (9 children)

This. And a major issue of lack of confidence, if your best friend is a threat to you and your relationship, you may want to review your selfworth.

I don't like posts where OP says things like "#2, if you absolutely must commit to a woman, don't let her hang out with other dudes too much. It's a law of nature that eventually the female will start scoping for better options.".

If living with another guy is a threat to you, you have serious self esteem issues and you are automatically low value. Try to work on increasing your value instead of going medieval with your SO and keeping her covered and at home all the time... I thought that RedPill was for self improvement and be the best we can be, not fucking hiding from the world hoping that a better man doesn't come knocking our door...

[–]SillyPutty47 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I fully agree with you. My best friend's wife is my wing when we go out. She's good looking and helps give me social status in front of other women. I would never sleep with her even if we both acknowledge we're attractive to each other. It's called being an adult and having morals. I don't live there but I hang out often enough.

The girl I'm seeing has plenty of orbiters and I couldn't care less. One guy cleans her pool, another gave her new tires for her car he had sitting around in his garage (as if). I don't care because I know my worth and she knows not to fuck around. Attractive women love attention. Just accept it and don't be a jealous with low esteem.

[–]p3n1x 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Both of you , /u/ipv6fx & /u/sillyputty47 are missing the point.

[–]SillyPutty47 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The point was taken and I disagree with it. Care to elaborate on what you think I missed?

[–]read_if_gay_ 2 points3 points  (3 children)

going medieval with your SO and keeping her covered and at home all the time

You think they did that for no reason whatsoever?

The point is that it's just a shitty idea, it's not a self esteem issue, you can be fully confident but even then your best friend living with you might lead to the given situation. It's about unavailability and possibly general SMV depending on the individual situation, also this

Just being around people or coworkers can grow an attraction

which /u/Sciencebitchs pointed out.

[–]SillyPutty47 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I didn't deny that an attraction can grow. It's fully possible to want to do something and not do it. Desire and action are not the same. Find a better best friend that won't sleep with your gf. Seriously, how hard is it to not be a shitty person.

Edit: yes, you're right. It's a shitty idea to live with your gf and best friend. That wasn't my point though.

[–]read_if_gay_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

If your GF is desiring another guy that's not a healthy basis for a relationship at all. Even if nothing ever happens.

[–]SillyPutty47 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never suggested they had a healthy relationship. I think she should break up with her bf in the original story. The comment was about the best friend sleeping with the gf and I said that was a shitty friend if he did that.

Lastly, I think we should distinguish between attraction and desire. Attraction is okay in my books and desire is not. Call it semantics but I see a difference between the two.

[–]Sciencebitchs 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Seems to me like redpill or at least this thread has been more so about how "illogical, unmoral, neurotic, and selfish" woman can be. And tbh the whole "living with a best friend thing" and having an attraction for him grow out of her. It happens. It happens to both men and woman. Doesn't even need to be a vertical move. Or someone you live with. Just being around people or coworkers can grow an attraction. (Seems to happen moreso with men grnerally tho) That's how relationships form. Some people are just assholes, this subreddit believes that there are inherent flaws in the way women respond to the world more so than men. And as far as I can tell having spent my time alive. Woman may or may not be assholes(just like men) however they do sure make life more difficult at times especially in comparison to how a male would respond to said situation. Its well documented that woman are more emotional creatures, thus they are more unstable generally across the board. And tbh to throw some pills on the fire.. ya can't build a advanced society on sometimes unstable and irrational behavior, let alone a relationship with more "options" or instabilities around, it can be difficult. Yup living with woman is hard. Sometimes I think it'd be nice and easy to be gay.. probable would be, however I have 0 attraction towards men. (There was a Vice doc on the other day that covered the decline of lesbian bars. It's a good incite into the generally different thinking of the sex's insofar as gays/lesbians. However a lot of that similar thinking and social involvement (or lack there of) can be applied to straight woman.)

[–]Sciencebitchs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All in all though like the last post. Attraction fluxes in a relationship. Try your best to work with, and for your partner and your relationship. Hell it took a lot of explaining to an unhealthy GF that yeah, ya have been putting on weight.. it's winter.. stop drinking a half gallon of milk a day. "But I like it" "I'm sure you do, however you obviously don't like the fact you've put on weight" Ya can't eat your cake and have it too. However working with her and her with me and for us it's no longer an issue of senseless consumption just because "I'm like it".

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[–]p3n1x 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You make some good points but drop the bitter angry narrative.

They can't handle stability, they just need to fuck it all up at some point.

All the time, not some point.

The moment they hit the crest of an emotion, it MUST trough before she can crest again. They live their relationships like a giant fucking orgasm. Everything you do intensifies it, or "ruins" it. It is natural, not something to ever complain about.

She will cease when you stop being useful

Always be useful then. Always matter.

A) Assume she is lying about everything.

Assume she is always testing you. Don't supplicate to shame. Men fail this type of test constantly, oneitis.

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      [–]rockmasterflex 141 points142 points  (2 children)

      but he does absolutely nothing to excite her jimmies

      I can't just sit here and let you misuse the term Jimmies.

      Look, we get it, HE DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO MOISTEN HER TOWLETTE.

      But how DARE you insinuate this woman even has jimmies, let alone that they rustle.

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      [–]Hltchens 49 points50 points  (4 children)

      From another commenter:

      Wow. Reading this was so surreal, because I am in the same spot... We have only all lived together since August. It's actually my husband and our two guy best friends. But I’ve connected deeply with one of the friends and I’m starting to have feeling for him. *I definitely feel like I'm married to both of them sometimes. I actually mentioned having a threesome with him to my hubby in a mostly joking way but he was not down for that at all so I just laughed it off. Ugh. *Hearing how intense your sexual feelings are makes me afraid for the future that my feelings might intensify as well. But, like you, I love my husband. Would never act on this. We’ve been together for 9 years. But it's such a guilty feeling...

      Fucking LOL.

      First emboldened line: I just want to set the record straight, that when she says “she” connected deeply, that means only she has. If even that’s true. He’s just a dude with no moral center trying to weasel in on easy pussy Provided by his “best friend”. That guy doesn’t share her passions. Doesn’t have a deep connection with her. He just wants to fuck. Okay.

      Second emboldened lines: she says she’s afraid for the future. She literally doesn’t know if she’ll be able to stop herself, specifically now that she sees another fellow whore exists who can justify her feelings. Just reading her text made her feel like she was going to act on it. Then immediately, Right away, she contradicts herself: “Would never act on this”. Uh. What? You just said you’re scared for the future because you might act on it.

      Fuckinwomen.

      [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

      They want their cake and eat it too.

      Women just can't be trusted to be faithfull, especially when they're married to you. Even if they are raised in a good household that gave them a moral spine it's being overwritten by the inner slut that is Hypergamy.

      Best thing to do is to just spin plates, they can spin chumps what do you care they're just plates.

      [–]mechz21 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      men fantasize about being a hero and saving the day.

      Women fantasize about being the villain and getting away with it.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I see that you watched Colttaine's female power fantasy before they pulled it down, nice material.

      [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      But, like you, I love my husband.

      She loves his wallet. She loves his safety. She loves a lot of things, but she doesn't love what he wants her to love--her lust for him.

      Women compartmentalize feelings for men, whereas men put intimacy above all else. If your priority is not her priority, the relationship will not go where you want it to go.

      [–]R3gnier 46 points47 points  (54 children)

      "if you absolutely must commit to a woman, don't let her hang out with other dudes too much"

      But what happens when your gf already has several friends and not allowing her to go out with them would seem like insecurity and prompt her to want to go out with them even more?

      [–]NabroleonBonaparte 211 points212 points  (18 children)

      You wake up from your bad dream and smile because TRP taught you abundance mentality and you found a different girl instead of getting into a LTR with a chick with guy friends

      [–]Unexpected_Artist 68 points69 points  (12 children)

      Guy friends, drinking, excessive negativity, and mentioning self harm.

      These are the red flags. These are the ones that matter to me.

      From a PC perspective, it's hard to explain to a woman guy friends are not okay. Discuss respect.

      [–]NabroleonBonaparte 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      These are the red flags. These are the ones that matter to me.

      Exactly, people don’t know themselves.

      They don’t know the value of knowing what they want and knowing what they won’t accept.

      Gain options and then cull the herd. The biggest factor of a successful happy relationship isn’t sociopath-level game, it’s selecting the best candidate and maintaining frame.

      From a PC perspective, it's hard to explain to a woman guy friends are not okay. Discuss respect.

      To this I say, don’t be the preacher who tries to convert, be the monk who demonstrates and let those who are worthy follow. A lot of people are lost causes and can’t be saved. Trying to save is a bad use of your energy and an unnecessary risk

      [–]FractalNerve 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Huh... Alle except drinking are in play with mine, how'd you deal with it?

      [–]GenieGenius 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      Branch swing to a new chick.

      [–]FractalNerve 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      I fear you're right. Keep her a around and get a new one you mean?

      [–]Sciencebitchs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Shit man, how long have you been in that relationship? It shouldn't be the guy friends you focus on as a reason to end the relationship (unless you've noticed inappropriate things going on), if the negativity bothers you, and self harm does.. or god forbid gets you thinking like that.. ya may want to find someone else.

      [–]GenieGenius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I would demote her and promote another chick.

      [–]STRANGLED_HOOKER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Can be dealt with. Just say they're dealbreakers and if she doesn't fix you're gone

      [–]Augustuscrassus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The others I agree with, but one of my plates used to self-harm. She went through shit as a kid it happens.

      I would never date her but still.

      [–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      it's hard to explain to a woman guy friends are not okay.

      Why not? Are you fucking or looking for monogamy?

      If its just fucking and you want to dictate her circle, you are just an insecure control freak.

      From a PC perspective,

      You sound like a woman. If she doesn't "behave" the way you like in certain social situations, then you simply cut out those events. You are only fucking, right?

      [–]youngchappa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      My gf has a lot of male friends.

      And probably all of them want to fuck her.

      But she's so into me that I know she won't do anything.

      And even if she did I wouldn't mind and just dump her.

      It seems like a blue pill move to demand she drops all her guy friends

      I

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Just remember this one adage: It's just your turn.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      I don't understand this. Most people that have healthy social circles have both men and women in these circles. You're disqualifying the majority of well adjusted women because of insecurity.

      [–]NabroleonBonaparte 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      No you missed my nuance

      There’s a small difference between a mixed group of people that share a university major and go to events together, and a girl who actually hangs out with guys one-on-one.

      In the former the girls usually form their own female clique while the guys interact, although all are at the same party.

      The latter case is a female without emotional discretion.

      I’m speaking from experience of being the guy friend who watches as the girls lose interest in their bfs and get curious about me without me using any game. These bfs even mention they don’t see me as a threat, meanwhile their gfs fidelity is in the hands of my mercy.

      If you get the implication of what I’m saying you’re going realize just how easy it is to seduce women around you and just how many signals you’ve been missing.

      [–]askmrcia 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      I'll add to this. People really need to get through their heads the difference between friends and acquaintances. The latter, women having male acquaintances is fine. And vice versa. That means they see each other every so often and usually hang together with groups of people.

      But for a woman to ledgit call a guy their friend or best friend, that's a whole other ball game. And people act so dense with this situation that they continue to hamster it.

      If a girl and guy who is not in a relationship are actively hanging with each other, they are doing so because one of both parties are attracted to one another. Period.

      People can try and give their anecdotes all they want because if they disagree with this then they are full of shit and truly ignorant.

      I've been the guy and still am the guy that has "female friends." Every single one of these female friends have flirted with me despite being in relationships. I literally have one in my texting thread calling me cute and telling me how much she loves. Yay it's in a friendly way, but I don't talk to my male friends that way. I'm sure she don't talk to her female friends that way either.

      I don't refer to them as friends but they do with me. These relationships built up overtime from just me simply being around them alot. I didn't game them or anything. It was just us spending time together working on whatever volunteer event and their attraction grew. I have many examples of just how these so called "female friends" almost taking it too far with the flirting despite them with relationships. And if they are drinking, which is when I'm around alot then it gets worse.

      Am I saying all these women are cheating whores? No. But they do have me around when shit hits the fan in their relationship or if they feel lonely at times because hubby is out on a trip somewhere. Also some of them (one in particular) was one who I hooked up with. We are still in the same volunteering organization so when she beings her new boyfriend around, she introduces me as a friend.

      This is what we mean when we say women have backups. The best part is with me being just a friend I probably know more about them then their husbands or boyfriends. They tell me all the stories when they get drunk or the shit they did while on vacation.

      I don't consider any of these women friends because they do not have my back like a real male friend would. Plus why the fuck would I need a female friend? Do I want to talk to them about women issues and dresses and shit? No. I consider them acquaintances and nothing more. They are fun to be around. Fun to drink with and all of that. But they are not my friends.

      I've seen guys who women consider their best male friends, and believe it or not, they are not always the beta orbiters. Sometimes they are the guys they previously hooked up with, the Chad Co worker that helps her with whatever computer issues she has and takes her to lunch every Weds or they can be the guy they still have feelings for but dated another guy as a rebound. Or sometimes they are the betas that his her attention. Are any of those things I must listed qualifies as a friend?

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Why are you wasting your time with these women? Unless like you say one of the two parties is interested 🙄

      [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I am in a volunteering organization with a lot of them. Some of them play on my co-ed rec leagues. And then girls from other teams would invite me to join their teams as well. So they have my contact info as well.

      So we have happy hours, house parties and shit like that together after our activities end. Their boyfriends don't attend this shit all the time (most of the time). So some of them may show up with other girls while leaving their boyfriends at home.

      Some of them I dated/hooked up with and shit aint work out but we have the same social circle.

      But its mostly because we did volunteering activities together and we spent a lot of time around each other going over each other's houses to work on signs and setting up events and shit like that. Perfect example is one chick who I worked with invited me, another guy and three other girls back to her house just to drink on a random sunday. Her boyfriend was off in the military somewhere. So its things like this how I get involved with a number of women.

      Eventually we all go out drinking, we exchange numbers and stuff takes off from there.

      [–]returnofthemackX 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      If a girl does not drop her orbiters for you

      1) you need to work on yourself, because you are not high value enough 2) find another girl who does

      [–]ReluctantSlimeball 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      My girlfriend used to have mostly Male friends before way before me.

      And she wonders why their girlfriends/wives stopped contact?

      The saddest part is I think she genuinely thought they were here “mates”.

      I think for young, semi attractive girls it’s simply the easy option. She can be worshipped for doing nothing spectacular and not judged harshly in the way other girls do.

      [–]rockmasterflex 31 points32 points  (4 children)

      having "SEVERAL" male friend is a red flag. 7/10 of them she's actively aware masturbate to her and she does whatever she can to keep them doing that.

      [–]sat_ta 17 points18 points  (2 children)

      Most of these type of girls fantasize being a man. They act like a man, have hobbies like a man, swear like a man, work/career like a man, they even have male dating strategies. Unless you're into being cucked by a shemale that's trying to be more alpha then you 24/7 - avoid these women at all costs.

      [–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      They are called "Orbiters", you may need more sidebar. All woman have them. Accept it, don't cry about it.

      she's actively aware masturbate to her

      Are you that insecure?

      [–]ReluctantSlimeball 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      It’s also worth pointing out in the interest of fairness and honesty that a platonic relationship is not the same thing as it is to a man - women value platonic relationships with men far, far more than the reverse barring a few example. Yes we all have a few good mates who for whatever reason “it” didn’t happen with but boys don’t get much out of hanging around with girls minus any realistic or otherwise hope of sexual reward.

      Women often get a nonsexual buzz out if hanging around with men. Their experiences are a complete 180 from us. A heterosexual platonic friend is more a feather in the cap than “just another guy who wants to fuck”. Just like the old me could befriend and charm almost 100% of women but having a girl wanting to fuck was rare to nonexistent.

      Women minus their sexuality aren’t usually very fun. Men, whether crazy alpha fist-fighters or witty intellectuals usually are. We need personalities they don’t.

      So yeah I agree about the cruel orbiter situations they entertain and the way they use men to boost their egos.

      But also us being the more interesting gender, some do gravitate toward us for entirely pure reasons. That isn’t to say they won’t then also lap up the attention and leverage their sexuality as nature intended.

      [–]1GroundhogLiberator 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      I don't get into serious relationships because my life is difficult enough without injecting myself between this rock and a hard place.

      [–]Omnibrad 16 points17 points  (11 children)

      Depends on the guys.

      My LTR has a couple guy friends but 1) they aren't competition for me; 2) she doesn't spend too much time with them.

      If your girlfriend is spending several nights per week hanging out with actual competition for you...then you are being played.

      [–]Xhaka-Laca 14 points15 points  (10 children)

      Hahaha listen to this guy, dude this is a massive red flag, you shouldn’t be proud of this. Those guys are orbiters and she is using them for validation

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          [–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Welcome to TRP, where statements like this are made once per minute

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            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

            I wonder about the majority of TRP. Do you guys not have healthy social circles that include women. Are you their orbiters? This no guy friends shit is retarded. Be someone she doesn't want to cheat on and stop being an insecure bitch.

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              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              What world do you live in where women don't have guys in their social circle

              [–]gorilla_bro 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              Don’t control her..Be better than all other men, but have a plan B in your back pocket. I’m in the same boat.

              [–]Merwebb 2 points3 points  (7 children)

              Wasnt mate guarding a beta thing?

              [–]SohithKumar 16 points17 points  (1 child)

              You don’t guard her. You increase your SMV and alpha behaviour to such a level she will voluntarily guard herself against any orbiters. Still it would be better to start with a girl having few guy friends. The fewer the better.

              [–]Merwebb -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

              Hes saying "dont let her" which isnt the same you are saying

              [–]redaftrp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              If she’s busy chasing you, she doesn’t have time to worry about orbiters...

              [–]yungassed 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              so is being in a LTR without other plates.

              [–]nofappist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You don't need other plates to have a successful LTR. You need abundance. Your girl needs to know that if she doesn't behave, you will find someone else that will.

              [–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              But what happens when your gf already has several friends

              Orbiters or girls?

              Orbiters are always 'fuck' options when you aren't keeping her happy.

              Girls she must have, or she will bombard you with things you are not equipped to handle for her.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Let her go out and do whatever she wants... keep her as a plate and don’t give her attention / validation because she didn’t earn it. She’s out clubbing enjoying her life and doesn’t have time for you so you should be doing the same and not wasting time texting or asking what dumb pleb show she’s watching on netflix

              [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              But what happens when your gf already has several friends and not allowing her to go out with them would seem like insecurity and prompt her to want to go out with them even more?

              Why did you make such a woman your girlfriend in the first place? That's your mistake in taking seriously a woman who spends time with her orbiters sniffing around for their chance to fuck her.

              [–]kagetsuki23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You are supposed to vet her before being serious, if she have too much friend or cannot make any decision without consulting them next.

              [–]foot_odor 20 points21 points  (1 child)

              That is why if you can balance stability and masculinity in a relationship, your woman won’t feel “hate” for sexually desiring you. She’s happy because the man with whom she enjoys the company and the one that makes her wet are one and the same.

              But obviously girls who have many close guy friends or girls that allow another guy to live with her and her bf are a massive red flag for LTRs.

              [–]Unexpected_Artist 8 points9 points  (6 children)

              Why would "unstable" itself be attractive?

              I understand the alpha isn't about beta bux, but what's hot about someone being a wreck?

              [–]yungassed 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              its 'unstable' in her female lens which she views things in, meaning that she wouldn't be able to control him, and thats what is sexy. If she can't control him, he is probably better than her, so hypergamy dictates she try move up from her boyfriend which she can control and thus lower than her. It doesn't mean that his life is a wreck (I mean it could be but you shouldn't guess that from a woman saying something is unstable).

              [–]Cameltoezors 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              It’s viewed as “wild”, “passionate”, a “free spirit”. Women love “taming” the untameable. Or getting the free spirit to settle down and get his shit together. It’s an ego boost. But once you commit your stock plummets, and the search begins for the next ego boost.

              [–]omega_fat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              It's not attractive, it just doesn't matter at all. He will never be judged for not having his life together. Maybe even romanticised for being a starving artist/tortured soul/whatever.

              [–]wittymore 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              She didn't say he was unstable. She said the relationship would be unstable because they are both "passionate"

              Which means that part of why the relationship is so appealing to her, is because she envisions it as being filled with raw emotion and struggle.

              Women feed on emotion. It's defines their life and their narrative up to the point that it excludes all other things from being relevant. Her boyfriend is boring at this point, they have a "stable" relationship.

              It is really only a matter of time before she commits to a line of behavior that shakes up her life and allows for new and strong emotions to dominate.

              This is why, in my opinion, the only way a LTR can work is if the man provides a steady supply of raw emotion and turmoil to his girl. This is why women go for, and stick with, unstable men.

              Dread game seems very important...But as healthy males... really who has the energy?

              [–]Lego_My_Alter_Eggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              provides a steady supply of raw emotion

              This sounds exhausting just to read. I don't even have the energy to bring myself to do fun things for myself, I doubt I could keep that up in a relationship.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              There’s the unstable homeless guy shitting his pants on the city bus spanging to go cop some drugs..

              Then there’s chad unstable.. he’s probably strong, high T levels, works manual labor, and just naturally a leader by being large, muscular and not mentally retarded.

              [–]Westerncaesar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Hypergamy at it's finest. Never let them in...

              [–]irrevocably_curious 22 points23 points  (10 children)

              if you absolutely must commit to a woman, don't let her hang out with other dudes too much. It's a law of nature that eventually the female will start scoping for better options.

              Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this be seen as acting insecure about other guys?

              [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 65 points66 points  (5 children)

              It is insecure, it's a mateguarding behavior and ideally to her you want to have the delusional sort of "I know I'm literally the most attractive guy you could ever hope to get" kind of confidence.

              This is the ideal.

              But now what happens when you go and commit to a woman, when you LTR the bitch? Well, now you've already shown that you're at best a hybrid, you're providing stability and commitment, and you've committed yourself to her pussy alone.

              That ship has sailed. This is a RP for LTR guys to swallow. There is the honeymoon phase where she literally cannot get enough of you and she worships you like a god, because at that point in time, she believes it so it's real to her.

              Then she gets accustomed. She isn't a 7 dating a 9, she's on your level. This value adjustment always happens.

              So this need to be this "super mega alpha" in a LTR... it's misplaced, like dude, you wifed the bitch and housed the bitch, the ship has SAILED, she knows there's other guys out there that would fill the AF role for her, and she knows you're not an AF. Because if you were, well, you wouldn't have LTR'd the ho.

              So if you're going to commit to them and have them commit to you, you must enforce rules. You cannot worry about coming off as insecure or controlling or whatever, you must enforce rules and not back down.

              This is why I don't LTR bitches, because I don't really give a shit about managing their lives. I never snoop on their emails and phones, I don't worry about it. But if you are LTRing them and your plan is to not be a cuck, you have to manage that shit. Even if it shows insecurity, you take a hit to your alphaness, sure, but the end result is you manage your woman right and show frame and leadership.

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                [–]1Metalageddon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                Only way I made it work was being out and doing things with other dudes/chicks constantly.

                Then come home and bang her out really good. That kept things healthy for about 5 years before I noticed a slight dip.

                Then I left. No need to settle for a slight dip, probably will turn into drowning.

                Only other way I can imagine it working is to be on a scale of perpetual smv raise that's higher inclined than hers. Every year you seem a little further out of reach. But then you have the constant comfort tests, and that can still push her in the wrong direction. Exhausting.

                Just don't commit. If you do, don't live together.

                [–]RAiderNat88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                So this need to be this "super mega alpha" in a LTR... it's misplaced, like dude, you wifed the bitch and housed the bitch, the ship has SAILED, she knows there's other guys out there that would fill the AF role for her, and she knows you're not an AF. Because if you were, well, you wouldn't have LTR'd the ho.

                This shit right here tho! This is what every guy on here who thinks he's the exception to the rule NEEDS to know!

                [–]Biggie_Smores -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

                I take it you have zero LTR experience.

                [–]Squats4urmom 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                Yes. Better defense is to be fucking other girls to actively demonstrate your SMV.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This has never not worked for me

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Yeah, this is straight scarcity mentality.

                The rest of the post was solid, though.

                [–]Augustuscrassus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                You can't stop her from cheating man it's going to happen. One of my plates had a boyfriend when we met and it's been going on for almost 2 months. He was the type of dude to tell her she couldn't go out or hang with guys; look where that got him.

                Your best bet is to just trust your girl in those scenarios and hope she doesn't cheat. There's really no other option. If she does cheat and you find out just move on. Keep a backup option. If you don't find out well, paternity tests exist.

                [–]slip_like_space 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                She's not yours, it's just your turn.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 27 points28 points  (5 children)

                No mate.

                Women aren’t soulmates, they’re baby machines.

                Her boyfriend fucks her but no kids. Few years. Boo.

                She wants to branch swing from an infertile male point blank.

                When analyzing sexual behavior, remember the endgame.

                [–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (2 children)

                Women are alot more than baby machines you misogynist shitlord.

                They can make sandwiches. They can clean

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Her boyfriend fucks her but no kids. Few years. Boo.

                I think this is definitely a thing. I think this probably effects both men and women though. If you've been fucking one person for several years and there is no child, your caveman brain is screaming at you to get the fuck out because it thinks your partner is infertile. Your caveman brain doesn't know about birth control.

                [–]Boeijen666 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                All women are like this. Women dont really have the capacity for love given their child-like emotional intelligence. Its just whoever comes along who is better.

                [–]Fulp_Piction 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                How does being a bad provider make women wet? The absence of 'beta traits' is not equal to 'alpha traits'.

                [–]DeeMooreDeeMarriet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                If she was hot the best friend would have fucked her already. Likely a dreaming fatty.

                [–]TaaangyBBQ 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                Holy shit. This just confirms what I’ve known my entire life. I’m never going to be in a LT relationship with a female ever again. I took anthropology and know how women work. They’re all putas! Time to get at all the 18 year old virgins I can before my dick stops working.

                [–]Matthias_Foley35 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Women like that don’t deserve any attention. Starve them of it a while and let em squirm.

                [–]LavaPipe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                The comments are insane. One lady claims that she felt the same way as the op and that it was fate because she ended up dating her now ex-bf’s best friend. Of course she tries to hamster her destroying a friendship and cheating by saying her ex was the one cheating not her!

                [–]Jonlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Yep, hypergamy 101. All women do this. They only have a certain amount of eggs and want to ensure they don't go to waste so they'll always have a plan b if they're indeed a conniving cunt (every woman is whore/cheat, you just have to catch her on the right day).

                Her writing all that up to "justify" her reasoning is why we're all in this #metoo shit storm in the first place.

                Some Cucks will actually think she has a point. Hate to break it to you, but anyone who actually agrees with her reasoning on this, you're either a slut who is also fond of the cock carousel or a simp, soy boy cuck, who deserves a life of licking boots and getting cucked. Can't help you either way.

                Repeat after me. If a woman tries to convince you to do any of this, you walk away from her. You don't even try to ask her questions, because she's already been doing it behind your back, and she's clearly done this in her previous relationships. You can't make a whore into a house wife. Countless stories in the Bible of cunts like this. When history repeats itself just make sure you aren't the cuck who's got another man's Cum on the tip of your dick (or mouth if you let her kiss you).

                [–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                That whole thread is full of absolute bullshit- and it's all because they bought into the lies. There is no understanding of human nature in any of that advice.

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                [–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                for monogamy is unnatural

                100% this is what is behind ALL of the relationship problems in the world.

                [–]FractalNerve -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                Bullshit. I know enough butt-ugly people to tell you that they branch-swing for life and who have more sex and affairs than hot couples. Honestly! The bad thing is, they are statistically less-educated and poor. Which only increases their chances of breeding more ugly but highly-reproductive losers.

                Wait!

                I know this sounds bad, but kids from poor families really have a very hard time climbing up the ladder, there are enough studies proving this. Our society embraces this, only the economy acts against freely reproducing when you have no prospects. Difficult..

                In essence this poor future validates TRP even more to me. If you good looking Chads don't impregnate every hot 6-10, nobody will. And they will die out. We'd end in a future with only average and ugly looking 8billion people. To my backup, I have no clue about evolutionary biology, but evolutionary algorithms. Did Natue chose attractivity over reproducibility? Has that coin already been decided? I hope it's for attractivity, although being the super predatory species that we are, we need to live through famine in order to reorganize and expand more cleverly.

                [–]new_alpha 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                If I lived in a house with my girlfriend and her 7/10+ friend I can see that becoming a problem too.

                There are so many things that come to my mind reading this

                [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                I'm currently in this situation except I'm the friend. Didn't realize it but thinking back to some of the stuff that happens here and there I am starting to wonder as I read that.

                Personally I'm not attracted to the wife at all. And the husband is my best friend and been my best friend since high school (we're mid 20s now). I would never do anything with his wife even if she came on to me butt naked while I was in a 3 month dry spell.

                But there were some times when the wife would do something (show off her dresses to me while hubby was away) or say something that makes me raise my eyebrows.

                Plus unlike the husband I do a lot more then work, smoke weed and play video games. So this is in the back of my mind and there may be some trouble just because the wife may say something or do something that pisses off the husband, such as "why can't you be like askmrcia and have actual hobbies like rock climbing instead of playing video games all day?"

                [–]new_alpha 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Yeah that’s a bad sign. You’re good on not taking any advances on her. Be loyal to your friend. If she wants to be a cheating bitch she will do it one way or another but let her do it with someone else.

                Just move on with your life and, if possible, move out of there.

                [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yea I plan to say for a few more months and then leave. Only reason im with them now because its cheaper and I still have my first lease going on in the previous city.

                That lease ends in Feb so I figured I save up for two more months and then get out of there.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Finally, some great OC. Total hypergamy POV.

                [–]kevduong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Similar situation happened to me, dropped the cunt after she said she wanted to be my wife after branching swinging. Lmao AWALT.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Never commit gents. Do you want to be dopey beta bob? Or his “OMG HAWT GUY FRAND” who can get the pussy if he wants while investing nothing but his presence.

                Reminds me of the time my GF drunkenly tried to make out with my friend (who modeled for Nike) luckily he was also morally sound and a good bro who didn’t go for it.. but still.. she wouldn’t haven given 2 shits if the option was there and neither would OP in this situation. GF also gaslighted me calling me paranoid when I called her out on it even though my dude confirmed with me.

                [–]turbospeedsc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                [–]PhaedrusHunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Being a terrible provider isn't what makes her wet.

                Remember, to a woman, a unicorn is someone who embodies the best of both worlds. If they can get AF and BB in one man, that it their unicorn.

                If she thought this more attractive guy would be someone that could provide for her she would have jumped that dick and dumped her BF a while ago.

                [–]Psychocist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Women are always looking to branch swing.

                How do you effectively prevent that? Be her absolute best option? -- because I might be her best option in terms of commitment, but she will assume any man who fucks her is willing to commit to her - and there will ALWAYS be plenty of men who are lightyears ahead who are willing to fuck her.

                Thankfully, I've largely dropped the bitterness.. but, unless we want to all die out within a generation, somebody is going to have to have kids.. and yet I'm completely hopeless of a woman being able to raise children with one man for 20 years. Everything on here tells me it's impossible, and yet I don't see another way to raise the next generation.. surrogate mothers?

                Or do we resign to perpetual plate spinning into our 60s? The new alpha - give away their right to procreation and hand over their women to the betas? Ridiculous. What's the end game and how do we effectively move towards it?

                [–]rationalthought314 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I think we're both passionate but too unstable. We would probably kill each other if we tried to date.

                That's the kind of shit that comes from romance novels and soap operas: the dark mysterious man who fills her with untamed passions that sends her into a frenzy of temptations and emotions. I'd say let her be free to make her own decisions to crash and burn while her boyfriend find someone else less irrational (if that's possible).

                [–]U-94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                They're roommates. Familiarity always ends up in fucking with a lot of male/female friend groups.