Rant/VentingYou dont have to hate women, but you cant be a Pussy Polisher (self.TheRedPill)

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Last month I attended a family dinner celebrating an engagement. Terrific wines and food and conversation and I was thrilled to be included as it was mostly distant family and soon to be in-law cousins (whatever they are)

The brides younger brother was a typical low t, non lifting, virtue signalling 20 something loser. His rich daddy paid his rent while he started an app business from home where he spent most of his day on social media apologising for being a white male and bashing Trump.

At some point the conversation turned to an on and off again girlfriend of his who he claims was deeply naive. She had accepted an invitation to go boating in The Carribean while on Spring Break from an Ex and told our hero that it didnt mean anything

I couldn't hold my tounge (too much wine) and shared to everyone that women werent naive and she knew exactly what she was getting into. White Knight took offense and swore that his beloved truly had no idea. I looked at his father who was paying for dinner and asked him if he ever shared with his son that women are quite savvy and not to be underestimated.

The reactions were priceless. Dad smiled and said his son was young and still figuring some things out. Mom, the new bride to be, aunties and bridesmaids all looked at me with big eyes and wet panties.

The point of all this is that White Knight Betas primp pedestals and always think the best of women and the worst of men

Dont do that. Women are people. Not special princesses. Just because she looks cute doesnt make her harmless.

Openly call women out for their potential bad behavior and danger and make em swoon

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 165 points166 points  (37 children)

Just because she looks cute doesnt make her harmless.

That reminds me of a short story by Dostoevsky (forget its name), where a young man sees a beautiful blonde woman walking down the street. He thought her beauty was approaching the sublime. He decided to discreetly follow her home so maybe he could catch her leaving one day and talk to her (typical bloopie response). He followed her to a brothel and found out that she was the most popular whore in town. At this point he contemplated suicide, for how was it possible that one so beautiful would be so ugly in character?

Read more Dostoevsky boys, you won't regret it. "The Idiot" is a TRP must read.

[–]Incendior 65 points66 points  (16 children)

Hard times create strong men. Leave it to the Russians, eh

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 20 points21 points  (15 children)

Propserity is a blessing for women and a curse for men.

Have we entered an era of endless prosperity? Will Pax Americana be eternal?

[–]adool999 19 points20 points  (14 children)

People keep wishing for a war until it actually happens.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -2 points-1 points  (13 children)

And the Strong rejoice while the Weak cower in fear.

[–]adool999 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Strength doesn't matter when nukes are involved.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

Not every country has nukes. And absolutely strength does. Of those who remain to eke out an existence on the blasted earth (because it is inevitable some will remain), it will be those with the greatest endurance and physical strength who prosper (as much as is possible given the conditions).

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This is just some retarded sperglording. Are you still like 17 and just discovered Nietzsche?

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You just seem to be romanticizing a world after nuclear war. Or at least that it would ultimately be a good thing. I think you really underestimate the hell of it all tho.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just seem to be romanticizing a world after nuclear war. Or at least that it would ultimately be a good thing. I think you really underestimate the hell of it all tho.

I am not romanticizing a world after nuclear war. I understand it won't be pleasant, but it doesn't change the fact that those who are strong will be more likely to survive and prosper than those who are weak. People will either die instantly in the blast or shortly after or they survive and become a slave or they survive and become a master. The point is you want to be in a position where you can be as close to the top locally as you can.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is retarded about it? That some people survive a nuclear war? That is without question. Lets take Moscow metro as an example. It was built with protection from nuclear blasts in mind. The people who are in Moscow metro during a nuclear war will survive.

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    [–]Chaddeus_Rex -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    Modern war is all about luck. Your survival basically depends on:

    what country do you belong to money/connections pure luck

    That's not true. There is a reason why special forces have rigorous physical requirements for admittance. Physical capability/ emotional stability continue to be important factors in modern war.

    Further, just because you're strong, doesn't mean you have to be a psychopath who rejoices at an event that leads to thousands of deaths. Nobody, who has even a single fiber of morality, should be celebrating the idea of a war.

    Jesus you sound like a cuck. Stop with your moralizing. Those who moralize excessively get broken by PTSD after war. Those who don't and simply view war as something that must be done and attach no moral significance to it, are more likely to survive and have no negative psychological consequences.

    Also, what are you a girl that you moralize?

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      [–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      Yes, but only if you're fighting the war. I think you're missing a fundamental point here. If you are out there, risking your life and killing others because some politician brainwashed you into thinking that's a good idea, then you're already losing. You need to be smart and strong enough to never put yourself in such pathetic situations. Being the best soldier is worse than being an average office worker. A war never is a "must be done" thing. And even in the quasi-impossible chance that it is, being a soldier in it would be the dumbest mistake any man could ever make. Never be a "cuck" who gives your life up for some higher-up's new lambo.

      Sure thats cute and all but you are missing a far more interesting point.

      The original post that I replied to talked of revolution/meltdown of the system. In such cases (as we have seen in the past), men are conscripted en masse. Its pretty easy to avoid war right now because the stakes are low, but when you are conscripted everything I mentioned applies.

      Look at what happened in the Soviet Union when the Germans attacked, boys from age 17 - 50 were conscripted and their physical condition wasnt paid mcuh heed. Same with Vietnam. Or world war 1.

      Lastly, human beings are but animals without morals and reasoning. If you weren't smart enough to avoid being the one fighting on the battlefield, at least man up and realize what you're doing is completely wrong.

      Wrong by who's metric? You do realize that all the "morals" you preach were invented to keep you down and help your higher-ups buy a new lambo?

      Morals have always existed to keep the men on the bottom, down. By saying something is wrong and buying into it, you are being a cuck.

      It's quite the contrary actually. The more you ignore such moral questions during your time at the army, the more it haunts you when all of it ends.

      Thats a crock of shit. I worked in mental health and studied the mindsets of soldiers during classical times and world war 2 era to see why some soldiers didnt have ptsd while others did.

      Guys who "buy into" social morals (which in modern times are heavily influenced by Christanity which makes men weak), are the ones who feel bad for killing a dude who would have killed him if he didnt. Those who believe Christanity to be a crock of shit (Muslims fighting for Islam) or before Christanity existed (who believed that dying on the battlefield surrounded by the broken bodies of their enemies, will be taken to Valhalla) end up having no issues with PTSD.

      Being a man doesn't mean you have to be a psychopath that is completely okay with killing other people. I don't see how that's not clicking with you.

      Its not psychopathic to kill other men and not be broken by PTSD afterwards. Its psychopathic to feel no compassion without trying. If you dive deep and destroy your ties to any social morals you'll be fine in a situation of war.

      But if this is the case, you might want to visit a professional.

      Hate to break it to you, but most mental health professionals dont know shit about mental health. How might that be, you may ask. Simple. The mental health field is rife with women Bluepill ideology and SJWs pursuing a political agenda. It is not an objective field, thats why they cant treat most conditions because they dont understand them.

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        [–]chinese-bible 9 points10 points  (5 children)

        So he didn't pay for his turn, eh? Interesting.

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        He thought the idea morally reprehensible and that she should love with a purity that matches her sublime beauty.

        [–]chinese-bible 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Sounds like he was watching too much Disney channel.

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Yeah, disney didn't exist back then. He was just too invested in the idea of French Romanticism.

        [–]chinese-bible 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Either way, he was bluepilled if he believed the same shit as his characters.

        The 'innocent princess' he found one day simply never told him about gorilla-fucking the entire .... what existed in 18th Century Russia? ... um ... fucking the entire African slave ship team.

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The 'innocent princess' he found one day simply never told him about gorilla-fucking the entire .... what existed in 18th Century Russia? ... um ... fucking the entire African slave ship team.

        Yeah you're right... and i think you're looking for is "fucking the entire town"...Russia didn't have slave ships.

        [–]wokedaoist 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        I mean, you can't really frame Dostoevsky in a Red Pill way. The protagonist in Crime and Punishment marries a hooker and it's supposed to be a happy ending. I can see how that specific story might apply, though.

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yeah youre right, it was strange how Dostoevsky recognized the dangers of Romanticism but at the same time romaticised "Love".

        [–]Tonibullettooth 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        White nights.

        Dostoevsky is the shit!

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        White nights? Is that the name?

        [–]Tonibullettooth -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Yeah ist about this fag falling i Love with a Bitch that crys over getting dumped then gets oneitis and the Girl goeS back to her ex. Called white nights because ist set in St Peterburg in the Summer when it barely gets Dark at Night. Its a short Read would recommend

        [–]LieutSerge 1 point2 points  (7 children)

        Reading crime and punishment right now thanks I’ll add it to the list

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 4 points5 points  (6 children)

        Np dude. "The Idiot" is much better than "Crime and Punishment" imo

        [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Demons is next on my list. Any experience w that one?

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Nope. I haven't read it yet, will get to it eventually.

        [–]LieutSerge 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Yeah I’m reading that cause i found a duel translation online I’m trying to practice my russian

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Nice! Though "Crime and Punishment" is not the easiest read. But if you have reached the level where you can understand it, congrats!

        [–]LieutSerge 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Yeah it’s not bad, I moved to states when I was 8 so I can read write speak but pretty bad at this point

        I googled which one to read first this or brothers karamazov said this was easier, is The Idiot relatively easy read?

        [–]Wellbidlo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Can you please remember from which book it is? Would be extremly appreciated.

        [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 233 points234 points  (8 children)

        When I was in my early 40's I got a call from a younger man who'd been my next door neighbour when he was growing up. I'd known him since he was a child (A baby, in fact) . He was worried because he thought his fiance was cheating on him. He had no solid evidence but he just couldn't shake this feeling....anyway I was talking to him about it but from what he said I didn't really have a feeling either way....until he said this:

        "She goes out at night with her girlfriends and says I just have to trust her"

        And something clicked for me.

        I told him: "Mate, she's cheating on you."


        "She's cheating on you and can't think of any good excuses so she's trying to guilt you. Nobody "just has to trust" somebody; not even your doctor."

        Suddenly he laughed and changed his tune. A moment ago he'd been trying to convince me she was cheating on him; now he tried to convince me she wasn't. I talked to him for a while then let him go but he was now convinced she wasn't cheating on him and he'd been overly suspicious; whereas I was now convinced she was.

        A month later he called me back. "You were right."

        I agree with your post, and it should be obvious to everyone. Women are just people. And what do people do? Cheat and try to take advantage. Not everyone, and not all the time, but it does happen. Therefore expect it to happen with your woman - even if not straight away.

        A thing about being put on a pedestal is, it's boring for the woman. She know she isn't a goddess; if you keep acting like she is it's tiresome and she will think less of you. In addition if you truly believe she's special and you're lucky to have her, after a while she'll believe it too - and then she'll start thinking you don't deserve her. After all you worship her; therefore you're beneath her.

        One of the easiest ways to destroy a relationship with a woman is to put her on a pedestal. instead treat her like a real person. (Which she is.)

        One other thing: Never trust anyone who says you "just have to trust them". It means you're about to be cheated.

        [–]The0xFF0000Pill 51 points52 points  (3 children)

        He wasn't trying to convince you, he was trying to convince himself.

        [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        I know. He just didn't want to believe.

        [–]TheOneWhoDidntCum 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        He was trying to trust himself on the fact that she was cheating on him.

        [–]redpilledguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It was all that toxic masculinity polluting his mind and causing him not to trust his special little snowflake to the point where he drove the unicorn into a more tolerable man’s arms. You cis-get shitlord. ReeeeEEEEE. Et cetera ad nauseam.

        [–]StarbornProject 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        solid and amazing advice

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Queens don't fuck peasants. They fuck kings, who are inherently above them.

        Whenever I hear guys say to treat a woman like a queen, I keep wondering why they see that as treating them like Their ruler. It's so dumb.

        [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Totally agree. Don't give them the idea they are better than you.

        [–][deleted] 264 points265 points  (21 children)

        Reminds me of an interaction I had with my kid brother and his then oneitis, about a year ago.

        We were sitting at a table at my parent's home (kid still lived at home) and they were arguing about the night before. She apparently just up and left him at a bar with his friends, only to mysteriously reappear an hour later. To hear her tell it she was "just outside, with some friends..."

        Without a second thought, like an impulse, I swear I don't know how or why, I just blurted out "You were probably in the bathroom sucking somebody else's dick."

        You'd expect a vehement denial from her at that point. But she was so shocked by the fact that somebody actually called her out, all she could do was give the deer in the headlights look.

        My kid brother was more vocal about my perceived transgression. Months later he actually caught her cheating and ended the relationship. When he told me about it I simply told him to never question me again, because big bro is always right.

        [–]TheWhiskeyTickler 116 points117 points  (14 children)

        To add on. My best friend in college had his girlfriend leave him at a bar and went to another bar "with her friends". We found out later when her friends told us(they all loved my friend, he's the guy you can't hate) that she was making out with some guy at said other bar. Since this was his oneitis from high school, instead of laying down the law he told her "you'll have to make it up to me". Instant frame loss. She dumped him to "explore herself" almost 6 months later.

        He's still single at 30 and holding out hope that he will find his unicorn. TRP was made for guys like him but he is too far gone.

        [–]SoulRedemption 33 points34 points  (3 children)

        Bring the thirsty dying horse tonthe water.

        [–]TheWhiskeyTickler 16 points17 points  (2 children)

        First rule of Fight Club is that you do not talk about Fight Club. I learned this the hard way with TRP. However, when I first discovered it, I was eager to unplug my closest friends. I have two friend groups from back home; the guys I went to school with, and the guys I grew up with in my neighborhood. I tried to unplug my best friend from each crew.

        My best friend from the neighborhood never really had problems getting girls. He was always athletic, competitive, and was mischievous enough growing up for extra bad boy cred. He's also 6'2" and is a pretty good looking dude no homo. However, he made some bad choices in his life and now that we are approaching 30, his life hasn't panned out like he would have liked. He dropped out of college and works manual labor framing houses. Which isn't a bad gig, but the guys he works with have no desire to build their business and continually subcontract instead, then drink their money away every weekend. Rinse repeat. He eats like shit, smokes, has nothing to his name but his truck and some tools, and I hate to admit but he is in the early stages of alcoholism. That being said, he still pulls chicks on the regular. They don't care that he's 30 and lives at home because he has the IDGAF attitude with nothing to lose. He knows how to talk to girls without fearing rejection. When I explained TRP to him, he immediately was like, "ohhhh that's why girls do that", or "I kind of knew about that but no one ever explained it with words in such a clear way." My only concern is that he hasn't fully grasped the self improvement aspect.

        My best friend from school is almost the opposite. He was always kind of pudgy growing up, played sports but wasn't stand out at anything, agreeable and fun to be around (seriously EVERYONE thinks he's a good guy), and has followed the TBP to a T. He and I were roommates in college. He got his degree, got his nice office job, bought a new car and a nice apartment downtown. He coaches boys basketball and is active with his church and their youth ministry. All around stand up guy. He desperately wants to find a nice girl to settle down with and have kids. The problem is, since his oneitis (who he had been with since HS) dumped him, he has had zero luck with chicks. He could fall in a bucket of titties and come out with a dick in his mouth. Ironic because if you could get rankings on how well you followed TBP, he would get a 95%. I tried to tell him about TRP. He told me it's PUA shit and he's not out to trick girls. I tried explaining how it's not a trick if you make yourself into the man they want, because at that point you're just telling it like it is. He legit told me "I'm sticking with your "blue pill" because I'm not going to do some internet cult PUA bullshit". You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

        I really should make this into its own post, because it's a good cautionary tale about the first rule of fight club.

        [–]SoulRedemption 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        That's interesting insight. You really shouldn't speak about TRP blatantly. Currently I have maybe 1 - 2 friends who I would talk about certain things (different terms used) but to no one I would suggest the forum IRL, blatantly.

        Your last line is the reason I said lead the dying horse to the water, but ofcourse you can't make him drink. There are many ways to do this without exposing yourself.

        I suppose it's either you want him to know that you are the one who lead him there (partner in crime) or you want him to discover the door, despite if he walks through and goes down the rabbit hole or not. Choice is yours to make.

        [–]BasedVeni 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Win through your actions, never through argument.

        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

        We can joke about it...But I know it hurts to see a friend give up on his own potential.

        Personally I try to lead by example and offer advice when it asked. Sadly you can't force this stuff on people.

        [–]RandyBumgardner85 12 points13 points  (2 children)

        I see a lot of this with my mates. One of them used to slay pussy working as a barman in a party town. His game was far superior to mine for many years.

        Nowadays he is back home, aged 33 living with his grandparents. He's banged one horrendously ugly chick in the past two years. He just spent the last 3 months chatting to a 31 y/o single mum on Match.com who he finally took on a date on Valentine's Day and then never heard from again.

        When I try give him some advice on online game he just rolls his eyes and says sarcastically "oh yes let's all take advice from Randy"

        I've had 4 smoking hot girlfriends in the last 5 years and have smashed dozens more not so hot ones solely from online dating.

        [–]marcinostefano 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Randy, maybe You will be able to give some advice on Online Dating? I would love to look up on that

        [–]RandyBumgardner85 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I don't profess to be an online pimp but I've plenty of experience. To be honest most of the chicks I hit and quit were 5's and 6's. The hot ones I ended up LTR'ing were either messed up in some way or lost attraction at the first sign of weakness. I used to rely on predominantly beta game (present myself as a well grounded, good long term financial prospect) thinking that was the correct way to treat women and weed out the bad ones. Obviously the wrong approach.

        There's plenty info out there about online game but here's a few tips I've picked up. Good photos, one of face, one shirtless, one doing masculine/adventurous activity, one with cool looking friends having fun. None of these can be selfies or posed. You've just gotta be so awesome that people are always taking photos of you.

        Bio must be very brief. Mine would be something like: Backpacker, gym rat, information hoarder Self employed Live alone

        The key to online is casting a wide net. For example on Tinder you might swipe 200 (only right swipe ones you would genuinely bang, they all look worse than their worst photo)

        Say you get 15 matches. They will usually be the ugliest 15 you right swiped. You weed out about 5 on closer inspection (covert fatties, bad teeth, single moms, live far away) and unmatch.

        Message all the others. The message needs to be cocky funny and referring to something in their bio/photos. If you can make it sexual all the better. Example: "you look like you could throttle a man with those thighs" This gives you a basis for turning the conversation immediately sexual if she responds. (Offer to let her try on you, she's now picturing your head between her legs)

        Don't ever ever ever start an opener with "Hi/Hey/How are you" even if it is followed by something cocky (this one trick double my response rate) It comes across as needy. You just want to be the guy who's taking the piss out of her purely for his own entertainment.

        If your opener is solid you should get 50% response so you're now chatting to 5 chicks. Keep the following messages light hearted, cocky and funny. Try to avoid getting into boring conversations about work/education etc. You can ask where she lives/if she drives purely for logistics.

        Stick to the 6 message rule like glue! Go for the phone number within your first six messages. You aren't some fucking loser who spends 3 weeks messaging some random twot on tinder for validation.

        Don't ask for the number just say either "what's your number" or "give me your number so we can arrange your throttling demonstration"

        Most chicks will give their number if your tinder game is tight. If not, she's a validation whore. Unmatch.

        Say you get 3 phone numbers. Get off tinder and text that day with either a little more banter or an immediate plan to meet. Again don't ask, tell.

        Meeting should be something low cost/effort that you can easily escape from. Don't ever take a blind date to dinner.

        Keep the date brief unless the banter is naturally flowing. Ideally 2 hours max. Always be the one to terminate. If she's boring/a bitch/ugly just make your excuses and leave. It's an interview and she failed. I never usually go for the first date bang unless I'm horny and her SMV is so low that I know I won't bang her twice. (I've been known to bang 4's and 5's but never twice)

        Don't contact her for a few days after to install some dread. If you nailed the date she'll often text you.

        There you go. An important thing to remember is that you should NEVER even consider a chick from online to be LTR material unless you have been banging her for at least 5 months and she is compliant, eager and shows no red flags. I failed this one 3 times.

        [–]avocadowithsalt123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        With 30? Must not be too far..IF he change his attitude.

        I turned 30 recently and I swear I had never easier time with women. Even the young ones..19, 20.

        [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

        You called it right and she was up to no good

        [–]pevans12 25 points26 points  (0 children)

        if it smells like shit..... it’s shit....

        -my dad

        [–]bluedragon239 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        lol won't girls vehemently deny an accusation like that 100% of the time? I guess she was just shocked like you said because you were right. Still expected a denial tho

        [–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        she wanted to get caught. this effectively ended the argument without it being her fault.

        [–][deleted] 151 points152 points  (20 children)

        Fun story....not only you don't have to not hate them, you can actually love them, as long as you're loving the real creature in front of you, rather than the one on the pedestal.

        "She's not yours, it's just your turn" is absolute freedom.

        I take spinning plates as a fair response to hypergamy to be a fundamental truth to the current sexual marketplace.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 127 points128 points  (15 children)

        you can actually love them

        Men love dangerous things (cars, big dogs, hell even tigers) .... we love and accept these things as they are... "yeah, I love my tiger, he's a mean mother fucker and I'd never turn my back on him... this car is fast, gotta treat it with a little respect on corners".

        Yet when it comes to women, they have to paint their significant other as some sort of sweet innocent virgin.... "She's not that kind of girl, she's actually really nice, we're a partnership, she's my best friend".

        Better to love them as they are than pretend they are as we would have them be.

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 32 points33 points  (0 children)

        Yet when it comes to women, they have to paint their significant other as some sort of sweet innocent virgin....

        Say thanks to French Romanticism....fuck the French.

        [–]mishasam89 25 points26 points  (11 children)

        man, i'm having a problem with this.

        I understand everything you are saying, it's just that I can not understand for what posible reason would you want someone that you can't trust close to you? I mean i get the concept of plates and screwing is fun and all, but I'm talking about "relationships"

        Why would you want a relationship at all with someone who is inherently a slut, lier, cheater and always trying to one up you at every possibility?

        [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

        I literally tell my friends this phrase.

        Why would you get mad at a dog for barking, its a dog thats what its supposed to do. All you can do is train it not to and accept the fact that sometimes it'll still happen

        I treat woman the same way.

        [–]dddude1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        I like how beige phillip puts it: ‘don’t get mad at fish for swimming.’

        [–]pmmedenver 27 points28 points  (1 child)

        The real problem is a cultural one. Our society has chosen to worship masculine traits and demonize feminine ones. Women have followed suit and also thrown out all their feminine traits, leading to hyper-masculine women that want to fuck (even more hyper-masculine men) all the time and complain about why they either can't find a partner that is strong enough or their partner is too strong to not need them at all. If women were to focus instead on virtues like acceptance, gratitude, humility, etc. then it would free men to be men and relationships would work again.

        This problem is compounded by the fact that our dominance hierarchies have been centralized, leading to much larger hierarchies. The larger the hierarchy, the less winners you have at the top, leaving most men toiling in frustration at the bottom of an impossibly large dominance hierachy. You can tell men 'you just arent working hard enough' as redpill does, and that helps a little, but it only goes so far. When one man wins often another must lose. This is a big cause of the weakness we see in most men.

        When most men are weaker than they should be, and most women are stronger than they should be, relationships simply don't work because a woman doesn't respect a man whom she is stronger and a weak man doesn't respect himself.

        [–]3whatsthisgarg 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Our society has chosen to worship masculine traits and demonize feminine ones. Women have followed suit and also thrown out all their feminine traits, leading to hyper-masculine women

        Now that is interesting. So ironic, because of course, the worshipping masculine traits and demonizing feminine traits goes on well under the radar.

        [–]BluPillMaster-bater 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        It's a process, you work within reality to find a woman worth a LTR. It's not binary. Best to think of a tiger as dangerous, before making it a pet, no?

        I'm married, and I am very susceptible to tits and ass on other women. I don't cheat. But fuck me if I was on a boat with a hot woman for a week.. I'm strong, but not that strong.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "Best to think of a tiger as dangerous, before making it a pet, no?"

        You'd better never stop thinking of your pet tiger as being dangerous.

        [–]Alexinfinite01 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Women are not to be trusted. Period. There are precious few people you can let your guard down with. A friend, a girlfriend, a best friend and parents and singling and coworkers all fit into their own corners with little cross over. Attempting to place too much weight on what theyre made for is asking too much of them and WILL cause them to let you down. Know where you can place your needs and don't misplace them once you figured it out

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Took me until recently to know this. Still need to establish stronger boundaries.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Because they are all like that, and you either take one of them or stay alone. Lol.

        [–]cloudspike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Don't you have these relationships in your life already? Think about it. You put up with your boss because he pays you money. Boss might be an asshole but at the end of the day you put on the show for the money. Your parents are similar, you didn't choose them they aren't the best people but you stick with it for the love, loyalty, whatever.

        You have to redefine your vision of what a girl in a relationship is. A girls is something you have sex with, laugh with, cuddle with, show love to, receive love from, spend time with etc. It's really whatever you want. But!, you must adhere to the social rules like you do with your boss or you parents. You have to understand what a women is like a dog or a cat. They have habits they have behaviors. You are the idiot if you don't learn the rules of the game you're playing.

        So to answer your question, 'what possible reason would you want someone that you can't trust close to you?'. Well with your boss it's for money, with your parents its for love or security, with your friend for fun and social status etc. With women its sex, emotions whatever you want it to be. Just because they cheat doesn't make them any less sex or emotion worthy does it? I watch a sad movie and cry knowing its not real, its just actors. I pay for things like events that have been totally corrupted by capitalism and are designed to extract as much money from me as possible, yet I can enjoy it.

        First know what game you are playing, then learn the rules, then have fun.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I can not understand for what posible reason would you want someone that you can't trust close to you?

        Women are nice to have around and make you feel better. And they're good to fuck.

        The objective is to insulate yourself from her downsides. Accept Briffault's law and live accordingly. Have a LTR if you like, but always know that she doesn't have your back, you can't show weakness, there is no relationship equity, it might all end tomorrow, etc.

        It's not Marriage 1.0, but in many ways it's a lot better.

        Why would you want a relationship at all with someone who is inherently a slut, lier, cheater and always trying to one up you at every possibility?

        My conclusion is similar: women are not suitable long term exclusive partners, so I don't bother. No exclusivity. I'm good at keeping FWB's around though, and this works great for me.

        [–]mynameisfrankfurter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Excellent post. I completely agree. You can still enjoy the company of women, but it's best to know their true nature before hand.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You can enjoy the company of women much more when you do it for natural reasons. Women are wards and playthings. Its when unrealistic expectations are placed on women where things go south

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Exactly how I feel about everyone. We're all just animals driven by instinct. Coming from where I'm from, I've seen and heard of people at their absolute worst. It gives you clarity and an appreciation, you know who's real and who's not. You can't change the world, but you can affect who you let into yours.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You hit it right on the nail, sir.

        [–]ChadTheWaiter100 31 points32 points  (1 child)

        Apologizing for being white!! I’m dying. That’s hilarious. Just let the little fucker get redpilled the old fashioned way... and if he doesn’t - social Darwinism.

        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Yea and in the meantime he will keep voting for socialists and making life difficult for real men.

        [–]PhaedrusHunt 68 points69 points  (21 children)

        Oh man I literally screamed with a laugh at the part about his dad. Great story dude.

        I let my girl know all the time what a slut I know she is. They can't get enough of that shit. The reason you got those reactions from the women is that they actually WANT men to get them. They want someone that is in charge that won't take their shit.

        [–]bluedragon239 11 points12 points  (14 children)

        "I let my girl know all the time what a slut I know she is"

        I'm a newbie, can you explain this lol I can't see it going well if you call your gf a slut Or any girl for that matter

        [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

        Women want to be sluts * for the right man*

        [–]PhaedrusHunt 13 points14 points  (12 children)

        It's all part of the bigger picture. It's understanding how women evolved. Understanding that helps you have frame and also an abundance mentality. So they want to be led and used. Not so much used but they're willing to give themselves away with abandon to a man that can lead the way. It makes them feel secure. And that in turn also makes them understand that you understand women, and that you are or at least have been and still maintain the capability to be that same way with other women, which in turn creates some dread. I'll p.m. you some examples

        [–]3whatsthisgarg 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        It's understanding how women evolved. Understanding that helps you have frame and also an abundance mentality. So they want to be led and used. Not so much used but they're willing to give themselves away with abandon to a man that can lead the way. It makes them feel secure. And that in turn also makes them understand that you understand women, and that you are or at least have been and still maintain the capability to be that same way with other women, which in turn creates some dread. I'll p.m. you some examples

        Don't keep it in a PM, make a post, this is really good, esp. the part I bolded.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Can you pm me some examples of this also? I'm a newb and am trying to spin plates.

        [–]PhaedrusHunt 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        With plates it's a bit different than an LTR. Just don't be all over respectful. Don't be rude either. But be clear and honest about your intentions.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I feel like I dropped one bc I texted her to hang out, fucked another girl I texted (my ex, I know) and didn't respond. Advice?

        [–]PhaedrusHunt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Next time don't jerk a chick around like that. Don't stand them up, otherwise how can you justify being unhappy with someone that stands you up?

        I would text her in a couple days, say hey, my bad for standing you up, didn't mean to be inconsiderate. If she writes back, cool, of not, next. If she asks why say it was some personal business that came up, but don't get into it. It was personal

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Post your examples here here, homie. Let everyone learn.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It didnt fit the point of my story but the dad later railed his wife for seeing some gay ex boyfriend for dinner while in LA on a girls trip 10 years ago.

        Not 100 percent alpha move to keep this going a decade later, but a fuck load better to tease her than to accept and trust

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              [–]eccentricrealist 18 points19 points  (2 children)

              You framed it pretty nicely. If you would've gone with Machiavellian or something worse everyone would've just been offended. I think a lot of people here get in trouble because they stay around the anger phase and want to call everyone out on their bullshit without the actual tact to pull it off.

              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              You know of a way to call someone (females) on their scheming and uninterrupted deception "tactfully" — don't you?

              What do they reply, "Yes, I am an addicted deceiver, I avow to flipping over my attitude henceforth"?

              [–]JJ3314 17 points18 points  (2 children)

              The male tendency, if he thinks exclusively with his lower head, is to bestow undeserved kindness on sexually attractive women, independent of character considerations. With women it's the opposite--hypergamy defaults to viewing you as unworthy until you prove yourself. The more off the chain the hypergamy the more unreasonable a test of fitness she will apply to you, with only high level men getting the pass.

              A balanced person uses their intellect to keep these tendencies in check, but in our sexually promiscuous culture these innate tendencies of men and women run unchecked. Thus you get HB6s who overvalue themselves, and think they are princesses and men encouraging/excusing infidelity from their SO's, supposedly out of love. In fact lust is often the motivator (again, thinking with their lower head).

              If you have any goal beyond a pump and dump the constant question you must ask yourself of a woman you are evaluating is "is she worthy of any one's love or committment, particularly mine?"

              [–]BurnoutRS 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              I have this friend who consistently fishes from the bottom of the barrel. Never sets his sights any higher than a 4 because he thinks he cant attain it.

              Ive noticed two things. The girls he actually gets are horrible in every fucking sense of the word. Not only are they disgusting to look at, clearly dont take care of themselves at all and genuinely arent of much value as people, they see themselves as queens and empresses. Their fat makes them sassy

              The girls he doesnt get are devastating to him. Theyre every bit as bitchy and entitled as girls at the upper end of the spectrum. The conquest is a futile effort to snatch defeat from the hands of mediocrity. Ive been there, you go for a girl you think is so unnatractive that she'll jump on you at the mention of attraction. She rejects you too and theres your metric for self worth. I cant even pull the least attractive chick in the room

              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Thus you get HB6s who overvalue themselves

              this is really apparent online.. like tinder, insta, etc.. however, in person, the same broads have 0 confidence and/or game and are willing to gobble dick of pretty much anyone slightly better looking than them

              [–]chinese-bible 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              go to r/relationships which sadly is 80% pussy-hat wearing ultra feminists who give advice based on the gender of the characters --- (if you're a man, you're wrong, if you're a woman, the man is wrong).

              You'll see some laughable gems.

              Oh, a girl is going on vacay with an ex-fuckbuddy who used to gorilla fuck her, still snapchats her lewd shit, but it's "totally platonic yo?"

              You go girl! Your boyfriend is mad jealous and controlling. Men and women can easily be friends! Even if they used to fuck. And are now staying in the same hotel room. Alone for a weekend.

              On the very same page:

              Girl: I just cheated on my boyfriend and don't know what to do. My totally platonic friend who swears he's just a friend invited me to his apartment. He started talking about his dating and sex life, plied me with alcohol, and we started playing truth and dare. You know, like friends do. Next thing I know, I'm riding his cock!! Wtf??? He said "He's been waiting YEARS for this moment to fuck the shit outta me ..." Whoa!! Guys I had no idea!!

              Of course you didn't, you're a moron. In most cases a straight man wants to gorilla fuck a good looking woman. Only his honor will prevent him, if he has any (by which I mean not fucking a friend's girl, a married girl, cheating on his girl). If he's staying in a hotel room alone with her, he knows full well what's up.

              Yeah in your case? His girlfriend is definitely off again, on again. When it comes to Carribean Chad's huge cock. She'll be bouncing off again, on again, off again, on again.

              [–]GreenTeaOnMyDesk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              So you felt all their panties?

              [–]NyxNay 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              And then whole table started clapping.

              [–]Fulp_Piction 20 points21 points  (19 children)

              Wasnt there a well received post on here lately about not talking about the game, just playing it?

              So you got drunk and called out some chick's bad behaviour and the whole table bent over for you? I don't buy it. I can't see girls saying "you got us" even if everyone despised that kid. I don't even know what the takeaway is? Call people out?

              Rule number one of the Red Pill/Matrix - don't talk about it. Even if this is true, all you got is validation. Post after the wedding when you've fucked them all.

              [–]RedditArgument 22 points23 points  (3 children)

              His takeaway is just another rendition of don't put the pussy on a pedestal and naivete can be and will be feigned.

              But I have to agree on one point, what the fuck is this:

              Mom, the new bride to be, aunties and bridesmaids all looked at me with big eyes and wet panties.

              When people say TRP is just a bunch of neckbeards salivating over fantasies this is exactly the kind of fantastical bullshit they point to.

              [–]Ben_Eszes 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              Yeah, I instantly felt suspicious of this guy's own view of himself. To me, it sounds like he got drunk and said something he thought was clever and then misread everyone around him.

              [–]Fulp_Piction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Is it though? It's a post about some beta who got the wool pulled over his eyes. At best it's a 'don't be that guy' that has more bad advice and bravado than good.

              If this is what we're appreciating now, cool, each to their own, but I can't say I can get behind it.

              [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

              Its not fantasy for me. its a way of life

              [–]Reformed65 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Exactly, the fuck's going on here?

              Father is red-pilled yet allows his son to be cucked? These individuals, the beta losers, come from having weak or no father at all.

              OP, you sure "big eyes" wasn't actually their shock that you're an 'evil angry white male that probably doesn't get laid'?

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                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children)

                I dont really care if you buy it and there are no hard rules about anything so Rule Number 1 is just make believe in your head because you require a system to follow an thats what the matrix is for

                [–]Fulp_Piction 3 points4 points  (9 children)

                Hey, keep it impersonal, champ. When you argue the man and not the point you make your point seem indefensible.

                [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

                Reread it. Nothing personal but your frame cracked because I disagreed.

                Lurk more, post less

                [–]Fulp_Piction 2 points3 points  (7 children)

                Point out where. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

                [–]Gettingaware 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                Youre overthinking this. Op was a party and was talking about perceived taboo. This is fun for most because its not small talk

                This piqued the womens interest and safe to say he looks good and the women may or may not have been tipsy.

                This is where IoIs come in

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Some guys need a formula or rule book even for an unplugged mindset of NOT needing a rulebook

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                show me rule number 1 in sidebar

                [–]Fulp_Piction -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                Okay you win, bravo, 1-0 you, yaaaay!

                Anyway, as an EC you should understand my point, not wilfully ignore it.

                My point wasn't that rule number one is xzywhogivesafuck, my point is that talking about the game is 99% bad. It's not the advice you want to give to anyone on here. You stand to gain nothing from it and risk a lot. You can't unplug those who don't want to be unplugged. Remember Law 12: Win through action, never through argument?

                You also didn't win anything tangible and your counter argent was IDGAF style attack on me, not my point. Reeks of shit.

                Also: quote me where I broke frame.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                "It's not the advice you want to give to anyone on here."

                Says who?

                "Also: quote me where I broke frame"

                Now you being a lazy asshat. I aint your gopher and if you want to learn you need to stop demanding it like an entitled child. I told you to lurk more and post less and that is fabulous advice yet you refuse to listen to it

                [–]Fulp_Piction 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I don't want advice, I want an example of where I've broken frame and why so I can learn, and so you can back up your point.

                If anyone's broken frame here you have. You've resorted to childish insults in place of actually defending your argument at every opportunity. I've been lurking here since the sub was small, I don't post because I think the sidebar and the top of all time posts are adequate.

                All the best man.

                Edit: your first Qn.

                I do. It's my opinion. It's fundamental. It's pretty much the first thing you learn here.

                [–]bluedragon239 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                Ay so I don't really get this part of the story where all the women were particularly impressed that you basically told the dude women are responsible for their own actions and know what they're getting into

                Aren't women known for wanting not to be responsible and making everything not their fault? Why did they get impressed? I can't wrap my head around that lmao

                Also I see a lot of stories about girls saying "I'm going out with friends." Which means she may or may not cheat. (More often cheating than not) Doesn't Rollo say to just let her go? Why does he say this if she looks like she's gonna cheat?

                [–]dddude1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                They got wet because women love a man who just ‘gets it’. They know they have sketchy behaviour. Being around a man who knows this, and who can handle them because he gets it, rids them of any pressure to live up to the pedestal their betas have put them on and be who they truly are. That, is why women submit to real men and not betas.

                [–]2comment 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                You dont have to hate women, but you cant be a Pussy Polisher

                Yet treating women as equals is often the fastest way to get labelled as a mysogynistic asshole.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I wear that label with pride

                [–]WorldNewPilla 31 points32 points  (13 children)

                Let him do his thing, why do you even care? giving advice to these people can't benefit him or yourself.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorTaipanshimshon 45 points46 points  (1 child)

                He said he was in his cups

                [–]WorldNewPilla 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Yep, didn't notice that one

                [–]tteabag2591 16 points17 points  (10 children)

                I disagree. The more it's recognized, the more it's pulled out into the open where it belongs. It may result in introspection. You never know.

                [–]BSD5000 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                I can’t wait until that white knight sees the video someday, and realizes that she actually went down to the Caribbean to be a bukkake stunt double.

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                women are quite savvy and not to be underestimated.

                I think this is quite an important point to make to outsiders. We like to bash on women about how they are physically weak, unproductive and disruptive in the workplace, poor leaders, and ill suited for making political decision which ensure the long term health of the nation.

                All of these things are true, but it begs the question of why evolution would make one sex so much superior to the other. The answer is that it wouldn't, and is is silly and illogical to believe so. Women are evolved to dominate their niche, and their niche is resource extraction and hypergamy. They are experts at reading and understanding others' emotional states, using their own emotions to manipulate and control situations, sizing up men and understanding their position in the dominance hierarchy, and adapting to different social situations with chameleon like proficiency.

                [–]dddude1 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                They are pretty entertaining once you understand them. Internalising their true nature is the hard part; once you’re past that it’s pretty funny when you can see what they’re doing before they do.

                Was speaking to a girl (who’s been open about being into me in the past but whom I’m just not into) about her boyfriend and it became apparent she was trying to branch swing before she cut her loses with her guy. Hypergamy is one hell of a thing. She didn’t directly say ‘sooo, how about me and you?’ Just the typical girl game, are you in a relationship, what are YOU looking for, immediately after moaning about boyfriend (girls have zero game to the point of cringeworthyness if you’re not into to them). I let her know it’s a no go, gave her the usual ‘make yourself your priority’ nuggets and 2days later she messages me ‘we broke up.’ Can’t say I didn’t see it coming.

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                moaning about boyfriend is a 100 percemt IOI

                [–]Self-honest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                This should be spread around more. I was at a bar recently talking to a girl I used to work with. She was bitching about her husband. Later she said point blank that she had cheated on him before because he cheated on her and he never found out. If that's not an IOI, I don't know what is. Too bad she's fat as shit.

                [–]Urishima 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Mom, [...] all looked at me with big eyes and wet panties.

                Way to make it weird, dude.

                [–]kaane 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                Good example of social and sexual dynamics. But here is where you went wrong. Never talk about tRP concepts. Put your money where your mounth is.

                They will not understand so why worry

                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                They will not understand so why worry

                The whole point of the story, it appears, was exactly that there was understanding!!!!!

                Never talk about tRP concepts.

                Think twice about telling EC's what's what.

                [–]Celicni 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I wouldn't say never, but it's autistic to go and spread "womunz r evoul" (not saying OP did that). Drop a little red pill here and there, nothing too strong that will get you socially outed. Watch the reactions. Those who take it well, talk to them in private a bit more (if you give a shit about them of course, don't help every random nobody).

                [–]kaane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The whole point of the story, it appears, was exactly that there was understanding!!!!!

                “To speak ill of others is a dishonest way of praising ourselves; let us be above such transparent egotism. If you can't say good and encouraging things, say nothing.” - Will Durant

                Think twice about telling EC's what's what

                Since when the ECs are untouchable ?

                [–]B_Campbell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I think it’s more respectful to women to believe a woman can be just as much of an asshole as a man. White Knighting gives them no agency.

                [–]2chazthundergut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I love polishing pussy. With my tongue.

                [–]47rivers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                People respond to the truth, even if their instant reaction is negative, the always know it when they hear it. They may not like you for saying it, but you'll have a level of respect.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Respect>being lked

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                [–]1AlfredKinsey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Great story. I wonder if its common for TRP vets/OG players to get a little tipsy and ruin the magic veneer of weddings.

                [–]LittiJari 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Just ask this question when you start thinking NAWALT: what is the oldest profession? We are two million years old survival machines, there are no special princesses.

                [–]thunderbeyond 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Your title alone says a lot.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                This sounds like that article a out that girl who went boating with that European Chad and left her man at home...

                And everyone skirted around the fact that she clearly banged dude, but hubby was "very supportive", and she was so liberated and powerful.

                Did you get this from that? Forgive me for my skepticism if this is in fact a true story.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                no idea as she wasnt there. my best guess is 99.99%

                [–]crespo_modesto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Ahh man, I suffer from this, was DENIED

                With a fake number too that was pretty brutal

                also crossed the "don't shit where you eat"

                "Am I too much older than her" (both in our 20s)

                "What did I do wrong"

                Ahh man... gotta experience life more/focus life is not good at the moment haha

                It was bad first couple of days, couldn't look at her. Now I'm not sure, is it mean if I don't acknowledge, her, should I pretend like nothing happen. I generally don't interact with any of other women there, unless they're really hot, even then my interactions are weak... just because generally don't see each other, I'm not part of the wait staff... I think overall just avoid it if it's your livelihood the job. But I also wonder is that weak "If I was alpha I could pull it off" but yeah I do have more pressing issues in life than women too. Abram's heirarchy of needs right. Step 1) Don't be homeless. Ahh shit sexual is at the bottom of the list too.

                I don't even have a bed man, I sleep on the floor.

                Haha: "Milk yourself before you wreck yourself"

                My body/physique is fine, body builder (naturally built but working on definition, abs visible but wide front profile so the shoulder v not as accentuated less you do the side turn with lats) but mentally I'm f'd, the minute I open my mouth it's over

                Need a sense of self security/focus in life

                [–]tokinbl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                I canr understand how men can put women on pedestals or honestly how anyone can put anyone on a pedestal