Red Pill TheoryRule Reminder: Why keeping RP to yourself will save you trouble. (self.TheRedPill)

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Seasoned RP members can freely move on from what I am about to say, but for the RP initiate continue on: One of the unwritten rules of RP is to not talk about RP. Very few people have the intelligence or capacity to discuss or debate ideas rationally without becoming emotionally high strung and resistant, therefore most people you attempt to discuss RP with will reject it and reject you.

I learned this the hard way by introducing some RP concepts to my epicly BP'd buddy who's nearly 25 now and has never even kissed a girl. I told him submission to men is a woman's natural desire in such a way that she wants to follow a real leader. I mentioned the RP sub in saying it could help him sort his mindset towards women and perhaps gain him more success. I sent him an audiobook copy of 48 laws of power, and No More Mr Nice Guy.

He shut off 48 laws after hearing the first two laws and I'm not even sure he listened to No More Mr Nice Guy. He then started to talk shit about me behind my back, saying I don't respect women and that my views are warped and extremist.

It's not all black and white, there is a scale of hardcore BP vs hardcore RP, and most guys fall somewhere inbetween, but a majority is swinging more towards BP as each generation is born thanks to modern feminism and SJW indoctrination centers.

Suddenly dropping RP facts hurts, because the truth hurts. In modern times people hold the truth in contempt. The truth almost always shatters a persons preconceived belief systems. Informing a BP individual about certain truths about women challenges what he has been taught from his mother and the social engineering mechanisms in place via government. The reaction is that you, as an individual, couldn't possibly be right because 12 years of "education" and 20 years of mommy couldn't possibly be wrong.

Therefore since we know most people cannot entertain an idea without accepting or rejecting it, the

[–]NubianIbex 404 points405 points  (78 children)

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

[–]Demand-A-Sacrifice 10 points11 points  (73 children)

I always refer to this quote when openly discussing Flat Earth, Government indoctrination centers, Big Pharma, and the incoming Economic collapse.

Never works though.

[–]DoctorBees69 25 points26 points  (62 children)

I don't know, I can certainly entertain the thought of a flat Earth, but that doesn't mean I'm going to agree. Especially considering the lack of motive for lying about a round earth, basic astronomy, the fact that nobody with today's technology has even tried to reach the ends of the Earth but many have gone around the world, and the massive conspiracy between government officials and normal educated people alike that it would take to keep such a large secret.

[–]YetisInAtlanta 4 points5 points  (0 children)

probably speaks more about the people youre talking ot than yourself. I often have a similar problem, try talking about anything other than the MSM garbage that people accept and they cant take it.

the cognitive dissonance is strong

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I really hope you’re not including flat earth in with those other more reasonable theories because you believe it.

[–]xSiNNx 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Woah. Why the fuck is this guy downvoted for calling Flat Earth nonsense?

Am I missing something? Is there a majority of TRP that believes the earth is flat??

[–]invisiblepower 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This says more about the sub lately than anything else...

[–]Demand-A-Sacrifice -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Maybe TRP majority doesn’t believe the mainstream narrative because they’re a free thinking bunch?

[–]RightWingDeathChad 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean, I can entertain the idea of a Flat Earth, but it's obviously not true. We've known this for thousands of years, it is obviously true from the outset and has been verified multiple times by multiple people.

It's not a narrative, it's pretty much settled at this point. That's all they're really saying.

[–]Kushbushh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I can't believe anybody upvoted this. I agree with so many things on this sub but it looks like it's filled with morons.

[–]Demand-A-Sacrifice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah someone who’s input isn’t worth shit because he doesn’t think for himself. Try again bro.

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (3 children)

TL;DR: Play the game. Don’t sperg about the rules.

You don’t find TRP, it finds you. I stumbled across this sub immediately after my oneitis rejected my bp’d ass. Sooner or later your friend will realize that RP truths aren’t up for debate.

[–]mountassar97 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Same case, I was a bitch ass chode 4 months ago. Now I lift, eat my greens and proteins and practicing MMA and becoming more social. I am also doing great in college.

[–]A_confusedlover -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honestly though how does one overcome oneitis without straight up telling the girl about your feelings and possibly getting rejected?

[–]trpmkb12 1 points1 points [recovered]

You show a dude who's never kissed a girl this forum you are doing him a disservice. It's your job as a friend to show him through your actions and set an example. Let him learn through you by SHOWING how to act. Not telling. People will then come to you for guidance and to ask questions due to seeing you living a good life of abundance in everything. Then you can drop RP wisdom, but certainly don't do it all at once. Don't just be like "go here and read this", "Here's 48 laws of power" read this. Be a teacher and give them men in your life who are close to you the correct tools at the correct time.

[–]Docbear64 67 points68 points  (4 children)

To be fair for some men even witnessing it won't work . When I was a beta watching older men in my family not take shit from their attractive girlfriends seemed abusive to me . I grew up surrounded by my sisters and mother who told me what a man SHOULD be so seeing what successful men actually were was something I couldn't wrap my head around.

That's when you get Billy beta bitching about how " Women only go after assholes" . He sees what works , his brain, past pattern of actions, and typically lack of confidence prevent him from embracing it though.

[–]1Jaereth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I grew up surrounded by my sisters and mother who told me what a man SHOULD be so seeing what successful men actually were was something I couldn't wrap my head around.

This 100x

I've already told my nephew in a very subtle way to not take dating advice from his mom or stepmom or sisters or whoever. Ask your dad, or ask other guys at school who are dating the type of girls you want to date.

Male role models man, far more important for young men than anyone would really imagine.

[–]Docbear64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely as I get older I see the value in male mentorship from older men to me and from me to the men and boys younger than me grows over time .

There's a strong confidence I think boys glean from strong male examples whether it's in their actions or knowing if shit goes south there they are behind you ready to back you up just in case.

If all men are islands when we come together we form a nation and that's something I think society at large is undermining right now . Our boys need us more than ever while we're being told females are the future.

[–]MaliciousMack 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some won't. Can't save everyone.

[–]ComfortableBowl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly that. I would never receive career advice from someone who never worked in his life and is broke. First embody your rules then give a hint or 2 when promptly asked.

[–]Self-honest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Exactly.

[–]Taodin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk who wants to educate people in his spare time how to achieve a good Life or get a woman if they´re thinking from head to toe like a blue pill and reject any of our and your thoughts. This just cost me time and energy. DGAF anymore about BP who think they know it and could talk about it. If someone isn´t worth because he is not listening anyways, you shouldn´t give a Fook. I have job, a couple of good friends, a lot of hobbies and of course always something better to do than discuss with BP about my opinion. I am clear with it. And as soon as i am starting to debate about it, let someone doubt it, my subconscious mind will get slightly insecured by those people cause we are surrounded by them. 48 laws of power, law 10 avoid the unlucky. Don´t let the reality of a BP getting yours. Not worth our time. As long as nobody really cares or pays for the advice i DGAF any longer.

[–]dddude1 111 points112 points  (7 children)

You can drop rp knowledge to friends, family, even women (I do it all the time!). You just have to be subtle. Instead of saying ‘a girl just wants to submit to an alpha male’ you say ‘a woman wants to know she can lean on her man if she needs him and that he has the strength to deal with whatever comes their way. A man that is driven, confident and isn’t afraid to tell anyone no, including her. That is the man she will follow and do anything for’. Same message, one is just sprinkled with a lil sugar.

[–]jimbub 1 points1 points [recovered]

More like a little less autism. In my experience people who actually use the term alpha + beta outside of trp are socially retarded. They certainly have their use here, but don't start dropping RP acronyms + terms just because. It sounds weird as hell and does you no good in most settings. Parent comment is doing it correctly

[–]steveok82 8 points9 points  (2 children)

"In most settings." I think it depends. If you can provide an example it can work. A plate of mine was throwing a shit test at me saying she was going to go play call of duty with another guy "friend" of hers because i was ready to go to bed. My reply "that's cool, go have fun with your beta". She looks at me with this blank stare and says, "beta? You mean like weak compared to an alpha?" I just smiled at her. She literally laughs and says to me, "wow, you're right, he is totally beta!" I shit you not.

[–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience people who actually use the term alpha + beta outside of trp are socially retarded.

In my experience the only self titled "Alphas" are the guys who are like 5'2" but have a truck that's lifted so high I can barely pull myself into it and who's only hobby seems to be "trying to look badass".

[–]ImHerWonderland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks 9/10 you can replace beta with bitch and you avoid sounding autistic and what you say loses no meaning whatsoever.

Only a beta would let a man fuck his wife in front of him.

Only a bitch would let a man fuck his wife in front of him.

One gets you called a sperglord, the other gets you a crowd of nods.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, the failure is from this man thinking that throwing hardcore RP ideas at someone who is BP is a good strategy. You have to pace people. Ask them to answer their own questions, so that they ultimately believe they came to their own conclusions. People will always push back when they feel they are being lectured.

[–]pair55 60 points61 points  (3 children)

What I learnt about talking about RP is: If women near you find out you are talking about RP with BPs, they immediately start working to prove you are wrong.They become extra cautious when they near you and act like you are the most unattractive guy they have ever seen, even if they get wet with one look you gave them.Why?Because they don't want BPs to find the truth.Also talking about RP is useless.People don't like advices.They like examples.Let people see how we improve ourselves with the information we get from here and strong ones among them will start follow us already.So we should stop talking with our mouths and let our actions tell what we want to say.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m not so sure these females are as self aware as you make them out to be. As if they’re all in it together to keep the secret. Maybe. But another possibility is these women just like to think of themselves thru a blue pill lense too and your politically incorrect opinion is verboten. Women LOVE to shame people with politically incorrect opinions.

So yeah I’m not so sure they’re consciously hiding their secrets. Well women definitely hide secrets on a micro level. But on a macro theory level, I’m not so sure they’re purposely hiding anything. They might just be doing typical female consensus control of the blue pill which they think is reality. They tend to live in fantasy.

I guess a key point here is how good females are at compartmentalizing. We talk here about how females are naturally red pill, and know the game from an early age. That’s definitely true in a behavioral sense. But few females reflect on themselves enough to see how this completely contradicts a blue pill philosophy they may subscribe to simultaneously.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

they immediately start working to prove you are wrong

Welcome to my parlor, said the Max to the gams.

The terminology we use should be reserved for here and only to facilitate efficient communication. If you try to argue them with other people, you will get nowhere. People love to argue rhetoric, simply because so many of them don't have the intellectual capacity to do more. However, it's hard to argue with success. Your success is all they need to see.

[–]UncleChido 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Win by your actions, never through words. Law Number...

[–]SimpleJacked 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Neo sought out Morpheus who offered two choices. Morpheus didn't just show up and say please take the red pill I really like it.

Like how most of us ended here your friend needs a strong catharsis to question their reality in the first place. If not they will reject the truth and stay ignorant in fairy tale land.

[–]1handfulofnuts 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Most people need their medicine candy-coated at first. Maybe forever. You have to couch it in friendlier terms. And for fuck's sake, don't use terminology that will lead them here if they Google it. You have to keep in mind that you're posting on a forum that has been designated as a hate group by the SPLC. If you openly tell people you're a member here, you're an idiot and you deserve all the backlash that you've invited into your life.

So, don't say "dualistic mating strategy" or "alpha fucks/beta bucks." Say "Women are, by nature, attracted to two different kinds of guys for two different reasons. There's the guy they want to fuck, and the guy they want to marry and settle down with because he's a good provider and would make a good father. One guy can be both of those things, but it's rare to find." Most people actually have no problem agreeing when you phrase it like that, with no anger or judgement.

But "dualistic mating strategy" makes it sound like women are intentionally doing this, rather than just following their nature. What's more, the way a lot of guys talk about this stuff here is so tinged in anger that it puts people off, regardless of the rationality of what you're saying.

Side note: if you're still in the anger phase, you haven't swallowed the pill yet and you have zero business talking to other people about it, no matter how you phrase it. Once you come out the other side and have accepted the truth, there's no reason to be angry. Rather than hating women for what you want them to be, you'll love and accept them for what they are: fun, light, bubbly, beautiful creatures who are not men and shouldn't be judged by male standards.

[–]apex_313 26 points27 points  (13 children)

You can also just talk science. Let them form their own rp conclusions. Talk about genetic ancestory and how there is 2x as much genetic variance in the female line (mitochondrial DNA) than the male line (y chromosomal DNA). Meaning that for every male ancestor we have, we have 2 female ancestors. Meaning that half of men never successfully reproduced and the other half had children by multiple women. Start from evolution. They all agree on that (if they don't, they're hopeless). Ask theoretically what are the optimal strategies for men and women and coach them into reconstructing rp from first principles instead of just charging headlong into their BP wall. Go from their observations. Ask them what they observe men and women doing. What successful strategies do they see? If you're good at it, you can do it in front of a woman and she'll probably nod along if she doesn't have her head up her ass. Most women of reasonable quality love hearing rp truths. As long as you put them nicely. Rp isn't about winning against women, if you're doing it right. It's a game that you both want to play even if they don't know they're playing. It's about self respect and frame. Strength and stoicism. Not about cheating the game. You can fake alpha, but not indefinitely. To be alpha you need to embody it. And alphas aren't fighting women. Women are fighting for them. The feminists miss the point (shocker). It's a shit test and society is failing.

Most of this comes from men thinking women are good at getting women. Women give terrible advice because they don't have experience getting women. And because when they do give good advice men are too stupid and lazy to read between the lines. Ex. "be yourself" means be genuine and honest. Attractive traits. As pointed out by Models from Mark Manson. It does not mean continue being a lazy useless slob and not investing in yourself. The better version of this that men actually understand is "be your best self". This shit takes work and is genuinely good advice. But women are conflict avoidant and don't like hurting feelings. So they just cut out the best part even though they assume it's implied.

[–]TrainedHelplessness 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I tried telling some friends all about the DNA and evolutionary psychology stuff, when i first learned about it. Results were funny -- the liberals i know all believe in evolution but not in evolutionary psychology -- they think it's sexist, and they think culture creates everything, that men and women are born identical, we just raise them to be different. I'm seriously worried by how hard these people are trying to raise their boys to be effeminate.

My conservative friends, of course, simply don't believe in evolution. Most of their beliefs are religious nonsense, but I'm generally more confident their sons will end up strong and their daughters feminine.

[–]apex_313 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, my friend did that. Then I told them about a study that showed that children too young to be socialized gravitated towards gendered toys. And about how engineering and nursing were even more skewed in skandanavia. Because there men and women have the most choice and they choose different careers. You won't reach everyone. But you can usually manage to reach the ones worth reaching.

[–]Seven_Veils 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Interesting, I never thought about the DNA topic you brought up

[–]apex_313 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Thanks! You can also reference numbers on ok cupid. Women think about 80% of men are below average in attractiveness. Obviously impossible, but that's their perception. Basically if you graphed men where the x axis was the actual ranking (based on likes or whatever) and the y axis was what women ranked them, you'd expect about a straight line. What you actually get is what's called an s curve. Where most of the men are under rated compared to their overall ranking among men. And the top few are rated approximately accurately. The bottom are rated fairly accurately too. Men rate women in a sort of logarithmic curve. The ugly ones are ranked low, but the ones in the middle are all ranked high relative to their actual ranking. And the super hot ones are ranked about accurately. This means that a girl who is actually in the 70th percentile thinks she's in the 80th percentile and when she dates a man in the 70th percentile, she thinks he's in the 40th percentile. (numbers exaggerated to make a point). From this real data, you can basically prove hypergamy from first principles. It's just how our perception works. It's how women ensured they got the best mates and males competed and weren't picky. Ok cupid has a blog post on it called "Your looks and your Inbox". You can talk about rp principles like hypergamy without being all butt hurt and "women are always looking to ditch you and branch swing, anger phase tears woe is me, I'm gonna go cry and not lift, read, etc." start with science and then calmly theorize over whh those confusing creatures we call women act the way they do. No reason to fault them, it's just the world we live in! But no reason to play the game poorly either.

[–]Austin6403 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Can you Explain It Like I'm 5: "Talk about genetic ancestory and how there is 2x as much genetic variance in the female line (mitochondrial DNA) than the male line (y chromosomal DNA). Meaning that for every male ancestor we have, we have 2 female ancestors. Meaning that half of men never successfully reproduced and the other half had children by multiple women."

[–]TrainedHelplessness 1 point2 points  (4 children)

DNA evidence for 5 year olds: A long time ago, there were mommies and there were daddies, and some of the daddies were bigger and stronger and better at hunting wild animals. So, the strong daddies killed the weak daddies, and each of the strong daddies had two mommies. And all the mommies were happy, because they like strong daddies.

Dualistic mating strategy for 5 year olds: Today, daddies don't have to hunt wild animals, they sit at desks and look at computers and make money, and some of the weak daddies have a lot of money. Mommies like money, so sometimes they marry weak daddies so they can take it. Mommies secretly think weak daddies are ugly, so sometimes they get on their phone and swipe on pictures of men, until they find a strong daddy that is handsome, and then she goes and tries to make a baby with him. Then she goes back and makes the weak daddy pay for the baby.

[–]Austin6403 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Still doesn’t make sense how every person would have double the number of female ascenstors than men. Every person on Earth has one mom and one dad..

[–]TrainedHelplessness 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sorry, didn't realize that was the part you were having trouble with.

Easiest case to understand -- DanBob has sex with Ashley and DonnaLee, he has a child with each of them, call those kids Joe and Janette, so those are half brother and half sister. Those two have a kid together, call him Jed. Draw Jed's family tree. He has 2 parents and 3 grandparents, since his paternal grandfather and maternal grandfather are the same guy, DanBob.

Everyone's family tree has repeats in it like that, usually you have to go up much higher on the tree to find them because we avoid immediate incest. A normal family tree makes it look like each older generation was twice as large as the newer one. But as you keep going backwards, that can't happen forever since the population was smaller in the past, so eventually the names high up in your family tree will repeat. That's true even for monogamy, but for polygamous ancestors, the male names get repeated more often.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whoa I actually hadn't considered that!

[–]TrainedHelplessness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I threw together a quick explanation of all the evidence that humans are just polygamous monkeys pretending otherwise, this talks about the DNA thing: https://medium.com/@tgof137/chimps-bonobos-and-the-evidence-that-humans-are-naturally-polygamous-a895b5b1abce

I tried to make that sound more scientific and inoffensive... if you'd like a funnier, less politically correct version, try Colttaine's videos on youtube.

[–]TissueBabies 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"be yourself" means be genuine and honest

Maybe, I've learned to see it as "be the best version of you" or "be confident about who you are". Which implies "sell yourself to me." Which implies "have something worth selling." A lot of the really BP guys and "nice guys" are actually being themselves to the best of their ability. Just so happens that they're shit people when viewed through the lens of sexuality and have nothing to offer a woman.

Edit: I think we're saying the same thing in different ways.

[–]apex_313 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree. I think the point is that women speak indirectly and BP men are dumb. Not really anything new haha.

[–]pookie513 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I work with several codependent men. We have a SB5 that works the production floor with us. They chase her for validation and attention. They fail her shit tests. So automatically she's a fat ugly bitch. Stupid ass bitch. You get the idea.

Went to lunch with these cats. She comes up. Their venting. Aight cool. I share my mindset in terms of personal power, validation seeking, they're just words who gives a shit, etc.

Later she asks me what I said to them to piss them off. Never mind the fact they told her what I said. She gave no fucks about that. Something they ironically missed.

Point being, you can't rationalize anyone out of a position they didn't rationalize themselves into.

Muthafuckas need their feelings hurt first.

[–]FlamingAmmosexual 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Never reveal your power level.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (5 children)

One of the unwritten rules of RP is to not talk about RP

It's not an unwritten rule. It's a VERY CLEARLY WRITTEN rule of RP. If you talk about TRP, expect a fuckload of trouble for yourself. Noone will support you. Women will hate you for speaking truth and whiteknights and deniers will support them.

Talking about RP with women is saying "I am taking away your security and support and provisioning future, and stopping other men giving you this too. You will not be getting the support, marriage, children and retirement fund you think you deeply feel entitled to. Men will benefit (more sex) at your expense (no commitment)."

This will trigger the onslaught of your destruction in your social circle. Being right or speaking truth is no defence against the white knights who now jealously hate you.

Much better to smirk knowingly and say nothing.

And don't think men will support you either. Unless they're already fully unplugged (most aren't, even a lot of apparent alphas) - they find it easier to believe the world is what they want it to be and what they were told it is. Easier to throw you under the bus than believe what you say, and they will.

Suddenly dropping RP facts hurts, because the truth hurts. In modern times people hold the truth in contempt.

Live the life you want. If people want to follow then they can. Don't lead them in their personal lives. If they want advice they'll ask and might listen. If they don't ask, they definitely won't listen.

I know, I've tried. "The reason you suck with women is you are fat and lack the charisma to compensate for it. Lose the fucking fat." The following year? "I'm fat because I'm depressed because I'm single and women are so fickle".

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

plus, once you're the attractive social guy that people like, they may start to give a shit about your fucking opinion.

how you present > how you make people feel > the logic in your words

[–]Red_Faust 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And don't think men will support you either. Unless they're already fully unplugged

And maybe not even then. If I saw a guy spitting RP truths in public and getting flak for it, I would try and talk to him, in private and after the event, and briefly explain why that was a bad idea.


[–]ImHerWonderland 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where did you get the handle Faust from? I feel like I might know you from somewhere.

[–]Red_Faust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not from any other internet nick of mine (not eager of being doxxed).

For me the story of Faust is a metaphor for red pill teachings, and the ultimate freedom from needs in order to achieve peace of mind.

[–]Rakosnik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know I can be a real ignorant asshole and even like it. Though I agree that talking about TRP can start all kinds of shit but I fucking love starting shit like that up and watching people getting mad and crazy. The truth is a powerful tool.

When you know what you are getting into in advance than it can turn into real fun. You must stop giving shit about what others think before hand.

I dont know if it just me but I love waching people going ape shit over simple truths. I lost a couple of "friends" for not bending into their social norms and their fucking agendas but I cannot care less now. I know now what a bunch of fake fucking pussies they were.

I value my real friends who do know me for what I am and even love my nitty assholish remarks. Yet that does not mean that I wont say what I have to say even if its gonna hurt a soul or two even when it comes to TRP.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I was once at a group thing chatting with a couple of guys about dating and the behaviour of women. Casual chat, dropping some RP truth because why not, I'm the god damned Nightwing. Just some simple stuff about the attraction process, women's behaviour in dating and relationships. Anyways, they started pushing back against some of it and saying "that's not true, doesn't work like that, women aren't all like that" etc etc.

A quick poll sorted things out. "Raise your hand if you have a girlfriend." Just me. "Raise your hand if you're currently having regular sex with a girl, at least once a week." Just me again. "Gents, somehow I think I may know a little more on this topic." Then chalked it up to my academic background to prevent too much anxiousness from the cognitive dissonance. (And hopefully give them pause for future thoughts on women.) But hey, doesn't affect me if they become Red Pill or not. I can just do this because I've been around the block a few times at this point.

Moral of the story though: men will cling to their convictions until they can see some tangible proof that they're wrong. All that said, I DO NOT advise taking RP truths public, particularly for newbies. You will be eaten alive.

[–]Self-honest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, unless you can fully explain and back up the cold hard facts, you might end up looking like a dickhead. You probably won't find anyone who is willing to discuss the principals. If you are so lucky, you better actually know the why as much as the how.

[–]47rivers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All that said, I DO NOT advise taking RP truths public, particularly for newbies. You will be eaten alive.

Someone with strong frame should never be eaten alive, no matter how outnumbered you are. 1 wrong person and 1000 wrong people are no different- say what's true without asking, and that's that.

[–]PhaedrusHunt 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Im very close to my younger cousin. We're both a couple of big, athletic guys. If he hit the gym he'd look like someone you'd cast as a badass on game of thrones in a month. Women love the way he looks.

I told him about a chick I was fucking that looked like a Victoria's secret model. Said she was a 10.

He chided me for objectifying women, ranking them.

He was raised by a SJW type, first wave. Man hater. Single mom.

Meanwhile in the 60s and 70s when she was a hot piece she was fucking super alphas. Names I could drop that would have you calling me a liar, names that get dropped on this sub. Don't care to doxx myself or let too much out, but you get the point.

[–]RPmatrix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He was raised by a SJW type, first wave. Man hater. Single mom.

Meanwhile in the 60s and 70s when she was a hot piece she was fucking super alphas

aka an "Alpha Widow" in RP speak ... a broken woman basically

[–]suaressi 11 points12 points  (3 children)

one of my friends is always desperately looking for a girlfriend to settle down. dude is mid 30's so its understandable. however, guy really has no problems pulling pussy, but it never pans out in the long term. he's a nurse, but with a lot of qualifications that other nurses don't have and he's like a leader or head nurse in his unit at a renown hospital in town. if you don't know, female nurses are notorious for promiscuity. don't know what it is about that profession, but its true. so the dude has a constant conveyor belt of pussy going through his dept. so he starts talking to this girl who was pretty hot, 10 years younger than him. he smashes a few times and is ready to literally marry this bitch (smh). so after 2 months of hanging out with her, not even dating, he decides to lock her down by telling her to go exclusive (lol). the outcome - you guessed it, bitch rejects him. so a few months go by me and him are hanging out and he's telling me he's still thinking of her.. anyway, i had a little talk with him and told him to take his tampon and throw it out. so like a month later this dude is now hanging out with some post-wall hag, pushing 40, has a kid, u know the drill.. i'm like ok, you smash it but don't settle for that. i bring a point that she's got a kid, not as well off as him, probably looking to cuck him. i told him don't date bitches with kids. he gets butthurt. anyway, it doesn't work out after a month or so because she ends up being a psycho (go figure). so like a month after that he's with another broad that has 2 kids this time.. i'm like dude, do you not learn your lessons? he gets mad at me and says "you're doing it again man".. as in i'm talking shit about his beloved 3 week "relationship" hoe. after that i stopped trying to help. just watch and enjoy the drama from the sidelines, fellas.

[–]Saberinbed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Biggest mistake i always made was trying to lockdown girls after smashing them. It never worked out in the end. Now i just wait for them to bring it up first, and even then i’ll give her some stupid bs excuse about how i’m unsure and “i’ll see where things go between us”. Sometimes it works, other times it dosent. But i dont give a fuck. I sometimes agree if i’m feeling a good connection, and if shes super fun, but i NEVER bring it up. I let the girl do it.

Funny how you mention the promiscuity about female nurses, couple months ago i fucked some hot ass asian nurse who had a boyfriend. They’ve been together for 3 years. She even asked the guy to take a break from their relationship just so she could come spend some time with me. The dude knew that she fucked me and still told her not to leave him because he was scared that he couldnt get her back from he.. dosent get more BP beta buck than that. Turns out the dude is in med school, go figure. Some people are so blind to the truth that i don’t even bother wasting my time explaining it to them.

[–]suaressi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people are so blind to the truth that i don’t even bother wasting my time explaining it to them.

people want to live in their own fantasy

[–]RPmatrix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i'm like dude, do you not learn your lessons? he gets mad at me and says "you're doing it again man".. as in i'm talking shit about his beloved 3 week "relationship" hoe. after that i stopped trying to help.

lol this is a mate of mine ... but he likes the 'instant family' idea and doesn't like the taste of RP truth even though in most other areas of life he's very openminded ...

the Truth hurts becoz you must accept the fact you had been 'believing a lie' up to that point ... you had been Wrong

It takes Balls to say "I was wrong" esp to yourself

just watch and enjoy the drama from the sidelines, fellas.


[–]newName543456 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Compassion is often a detriment.

That's the cold hard truth.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about this. Actually in traditional cultures where women have a specific place below men, ironically in some ways it allows for a more compassionate treatment of women. Because you can treat them that way and it doesn’t turn them off.

Like in Confucianism, the human-hearted man is considered the noble ideal. Blue pill you might say? Well they also have a societal structure based on filial piety, which means there’s a very strict hierarchy of children respecting their elders, and wives respecting their husbands. Therefore the human-hearted man can express himself compassionately because it won’t lead to him being disrespected as weak. But that is only possible with a well defined social system like that.

[–]IronFoz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The same exactly happened to me, is it as if i had written the same post as the OP. I gave my friend No more mr nice guy and The way of the superior man, and he began talking shit behind my back.

I have since learned that yes, you shouldn't talk about RP, but most importantly, ACTIONS, not WORDS. Act out what you believe, you believe it for a reason, dont try to convice people. For example, if you get ripped, people will ask you for advice. It doesnt work if you go around advicing people, less if you do not yet embody what you preach.

My main girl right now is a feminist. I used to next so many girls due to this, or just argue with them trying to change their mind, ending in a bad time for both. It doesnt work, and it is a loose/loose for you both. What do i do now? When a girl speaks about that i change subjects or act disinterested. Despite she being a feminist, she's very submissive and likes to do as told when we are in bed, and asks me to use her body for my pleasure every time.

Actions, not words.

[–]SmittyFromAbove 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can bring a cow to the water but you cant get him laid, or something like that.

[–]Holyballs26 2 points3 points  (2 children)

One interesting thing that I rarely see mentioned here is, Never underestimate how much people are invested in their beliefs and egos. Even beta men think they understand women. Not just understanding but most of them actually believe they are experts in game. Sure, there are guys on the extreme end of the spectrum who are still virgins at 25 but a majority of beta men are somehow getting some action occasionally even if its with ugly fat women. This makes them think they have it all figured out and therefore when you tell them something that challenges their beliefs, it immediately triggers an 'auto-reject' reaction in them. People hate change, they hate to realise they have been wrong most of their life. My advice is, don't try to help anyone who has not genuinely asked you for help. Unless they are your closest friend of which if they were genuine friends, they would at least listen and consider what you have to say. You are not the messiah, dont try to save anyone, they will crucify you. Let people fuck up their own lives, its their prerogative. Don't try to educate the wise

[–]ShotgunTRP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dunning Kruger

“In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

[–]Holyballs26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanx for this....it explains a lot

[–]StickguyMB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women don't want to hear how you're getting it together and winning her over, they just want to see the good results.


[–]Reformed65 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Once a friend told me about the 48lops book in Secondary School and I acted like I didn't know about it "oh what's it about" and then I dismissed the book "oh thanks man, I'm more focused with school so if I get the time" since then until we were done with Secondary School, I kept a cautious eye on him.

What reason is there to out yourself as a manipulator? Even if you're not, that's the fastest way to get labelled as one.

"Hey read the 48lop!"

"Oh okay....hmmm...law 1...hey that's a pretty good la- wait one of them says 'act as a friend, get secrets and- the fuck are these dodgy and messed up laws?"

"Uhhh, that's not me..."

"But you read this! Don't you follow this!?"

"I wouldn't do it to you, though. We're friends!"

"Friends!? Law 2: Don't put too much trust in friends! The fuck man? What are friends for then!?"

"But, I told you about the book so I don't want to harm you!"

"Hmmm...and law 3: conceal your intentions! I'm on to you."

[–]Holyballs26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol thank you for making me laugh. This is the easiest way to get labelled in a bad way

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 0 points1 point  (1 child)

To be honest, my opinion is that 48 laws is a shitty book for edgy plebs. Not because it gives out bad advice necessarily but it's just way too "ow the edge" for me. I always imagine a 50 kgs incel trying to implement those rules all the while self-proclaiming to be "smart" whenever I think of that book.

Doesn't mean I don't do similar shit based on my intuition though.

[–]Reformed65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I agree, this book is more about not being a dumbass in the world of power.

My parents would tell me that jealousy is a natural feeling and that people who can and have the power to act on it, do tend to act on it, so when I first opened the book I felt at home upon reading the first law.

And also despising the free lunch, my parents told me to return the Pokemon trading cards that my friends gave me because "why would anyone give away their card no matter how bad it is? Would you give away anything you have for free even if you don't want it? No you want something in return."

So yeah you brought up a good point. To me it's common sense rather than a book that'll have you a straight-line journey into Politics.

[–]Dextorian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was actually introduced to TRP by a friend reason being because I was fucking up my LTR and when I started to read TRP it all started making fucking sense! Like clear as day to why I was fucking up! I think you need to be very specific about who you introduce to it! I tried with my mate after he split with his ex and lost all confidence he threw the red pill straight back up and refused to listen! He’s still beta as fuck and some of the stuff he says to women makes my toes curl up cause he thinks he’s going to get laid from it!

[–]TristanIsSpiffy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The one part I learned from interacting with BP men is that I can try to help, but I shouldn’t save. A lot of guys my age think that marriage + kids is literally the top of the mountain; Disney style happily ever after. I’ll truthfully share my beliefs if asked but I’m not going to disparage them when they see a cool/hot girl and claim they’d marry her.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ideally marriage and kids is the top of the mountain. But we live in a disintegrated social fabric where it has become an enormous risk

[–]Gaddness 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I wouldn’t say it’s about intelligence, it’s about presenting the arguments in such a way that makes sense to them. I’ve explained the ideas to ardent feminists and had positive reactions. It’s all about how you say it. Also making sure it’s not someone who’s completely neurotic helps

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (1 child)

it’s about presenting the arguments in such a way that makes sense to them.

this needs repeating, however, as many ITT are saying, "you can lead a horse to water But you can't make it drink"

[–]Gaddness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I could agree with that, but at the same time, you can still provide them with a reason to. The whole way to convince someone is to first dismantle a presupposition in a nonthreatening way, then you present an argument which fills that gap, I mean sure they still have to want it... but most of the time they will.

I found the most successful way of convincing someone is using someone’s arguments to prove a point you want to make, without first stating your opinion, that can usually be done by asking them questions about the subject until the come to the conclusion themselves

[–]Merwebb 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know if i let my buddies the full story of what I've read about, seen, did, i will be shunned and possibly denounced in front of the ladies.

It is tough not to be able to do shit for people you care about, but its better than the alternative of being targeted.

[–]BurnoutRS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"shattering a persons preconceived belief systems"

This is something that happens in a number of ways and you can see the effect it has on people. Some people cant cope with having their worldview shattered. Say youre very religious and your entire understanding of the world and how it works is based on your faith. In that instant where someone says something that challenges that faith, theres a survival response that goes off. Its pretty much a fight or flight scenario because youre posing a threat to that persons very existance. Youre stripping away the value and meaning they placed on their life.

You see this with psychedelics and ego death. Only you cant escape the psychedelic experience and youre forced to confront the shattering of your reality. Psychedelics seem pretty polarizing among people ive known, from what ive seen posted on forums and in my own experiences with them. You get the people who would rather leave the mysteries of life unravelled, and then you get the people who claim to have had life changing experiences.

Man wtf is that. What makes some men less capable of having their world destroyed? No sense of self, personal agency, discipline. Being reliant on external sources of validation. Fuck if I know. Its definitely a multifaceted issue. Every few years I get the strong desire to trip again, to have my world ripped apart, to be reminded how small I am, and to watch the fucking walls melt for a bit.

[–]A_Kunning_Druger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In your *friend's defense, its possible he's not all wrong.

"TRP" is an ideology like any other, and when taken to its extreme, it leads to tunnel vision, like any other fixation on any other ideology.

Sure, TRP might be useful for demonstrating and understanding a particular set of truths about human nature, but following the principles of TRP to its perfect logical conclusion will leave one isolated; people aren't external entities you can form meaningful connections with, they're only players in a hierarchical game.

The fact that TRP offers no absolute truth is why the ultimate red pill is a detachment from TRP and a healthy respect for the limits of the ideology. We're talking about people after all, and people have a way of defying categorization.

All that said, your friend sounds like a lost cause with a long road ahead of him.

[–]Ananonguy88 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had RP friend and he was trying to RP me. I was always treating his remarks with disbelief until I had my first LTR and then found this sub.

Now we stand as RP bros and meet weekly to discuss RP, give each other field reports, and chill in some pub.

[–]Demand-A-Sacrifice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the discussion though without getting crazy guys. The OP comment remains true to this very moment.

[–]Throwtheknightaway 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've found that more often than not, those who really need the Red Pill are the ones who will turn on you the quickest when you try to help them. That "buddy" of yours thought that he could be a hero, a white knight, by slaying the big, bad, Red Pill. It just makes him look slimy and duplicitous. I'm not someone who's swallowed the pill all the way, but even I think that No More Mr. Nice Guy is something every man should read, Blue or Red Pill. It seems you still want to reach out and help people, OP, but remember that people can only help themselves. You can provide the resources for them, but you can't change anything for them. Live your life and let people find their way when they're ready.

[–]tolerantman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you can't think of any friends who you can comfortably talk about anything, including the stuff here, then you don't have any real friends yet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's a lose - lose. For every 20 guys you try to drop truth on maybe only 2 really have enough drive, brains and balls to use trp to its fullest (not just getting pussy).

More than likely the blues will deny or tell your your jaded, and the ones with balls will poison the well and try to fuck all your shit up.

Best case, you have a bunch of red pill bros you have to compete against.

[–]RefusedRide 1 point2 points  (1 child)

One of the unwritten rules of RP is to not talk about RP. Very few people have the intelligence or capacity to discuss or debate ideas rationally without becoming emotionally high strung and resistant, therefore most people you attempt to discuss RP with will reject it and reject you.

Fully agree and not just about TRP. Therefore I also advise to not talk politics or religion or any touchy subject especially at work. There is nothing to be gained.

With TRP you should just shut-up completely and not mention it to anyone. Only talk about when asked and that will only happen once you are successful at implementation of TRP. If you don't have a soft-harem of 7+ women, why would anyone take you serious?

[–]DouglasPR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

agreed, even nutritional advice. I lost a lot of weight, people around me refuses to accept my method (Keto oriented) works, even when they can see clearly my progress. They normally start babling about calories and exercise, healthy grains and other hamsterizations. I just gave up and say now "I work-out a lot"

[–]wataDs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've attempted introducing RP to a few coworkers, every one ended in badly, one even lashing out at me for it. Just don't do it. If they're ready, discuss some theories, feed it to them slowly and see how they respond and receive it. Don't try and give them the whole damn pill at once is what I've learned.

[–]CatK20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I attempted to introduce my friend to this and told him how he should first read the sidebar. He agreed with some of it and then just gave up because "there's too much to f**king read." He's 24 and has only had one serious relationship with a 0/10. I tried convincing him that its the true way and even hopped on Tinder shortly afterwards, got the snapchat of three 7/10's, and played around with the idea of going out on a date with them. He was very surprised and said "I'm jealous." However, I am in monk mode after dating a BPD. He tried again and said "there's just way too much reading!" I gave up on him, I now watch as he orbits. Sometimes I laugh.

Edit: had to add something

[–]Da_llluminati 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hear, hear.

[–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've only ever told one of my friends about how this shit works and he is a lazy fucking slob. So even though he then had the knowledge, imagine that, he didn't improve at all and is still right where he was. Certified incel.

Telling people about RP truths is like telling a fat as fuck person "Ya know, if you would just get 30 minutes of cardio a day and limit your calories to 2000 you would lose a TON of weight!" Sure, you're not wrong. But unless they want to go through the WORK it's not going to mean anything anyway.

there is a scale of hardcore BP vs hardcore RP, and most guys fall somewhere inbetween, but a majority is swinging more towards BP as each generation is born thanks to modern feminism and SJW indoctrination centers.

This just means your value being a real leader in life goes WAY up. Never understood the guys who come on here and talk about how they need to try to evangelize this stuff to everyone they know. I'm guessing they are probably just shit talking on the boards and never became that successful in real life.

[–]ThePhilaDood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My BP friend likes to talk about blowing his load on girls faces in public. He think that girls overhearing his conversations about his aggressive manner will turn them on. He doesn't realize that it's making him look desperate.

I showed him this forum and his response was "I went to college for psychology, none of this stuff is true."

He hasn't gotten laid in over 2 years. Keep it up buddy.

[–]abdout77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup, I know the feeling OP. When entered Freshmen year a few months ago I tried to explain a few TRP rules to people of my class because some dumb bitch in the group chat Said that men were unfaithful liars. I told them basic truts every TRP members know, nothing to complicated. got called a liar, a mysoginistic dude, and then that same bitch found a way to make the entire class treat me like an idiot. The only person that was on my side was a naturally Alpha guy with who i had a conversation once.

Funny enough, a few weeks later she started dating a guy in my class, and another guy came and said HE was her ORIGINAL boyfriend. They both broke up with her.The day that followed every guy in my class was like '' Dude you where right about girls, but how did you know ?''

Most of them are EXTREMELY beta. Once they hear that your lay count is 5+, they start lecturing you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I learned about dropping redpill ideas on my friends’ is that we are not even remotely similar anymore.

[–]prostaddict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

48 Laws of Power is a bit much for someone completely uninitiated. No More Mr. Nice Guy would've been the better lead off for sure - as it's immediately relatable to him

[–]Sumsar01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can just reframe TRP. If you have a sharp thounge you can formulate it in a gynocentric way and then at least females will accept it. Same words, just a bit more "consumer" friendly.

Not that there is much of a point though.

[–]Janky42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

48 laws of power is a terrible book to start someone off with. Just saying. Start with something easily digestible like Way of the Superior Man or something like that.

[–]menial_optimist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree with that now. I just didn't think this particular friend was so bluepilled and insecure that he would get salty about it. I believed he, like me, had the ability to listen to an idea without accepting it. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the 48 laws, but hearing them were interesting food for thought at least. For example law #1, never outshine the master I have issues with. On one hand it's absolutely right, and in businessland "sucking up to the boss" works and is one strategy to get ahead. However at the same time I have moral issues with faking interest in a person for personal gain etc. But I'd still debate the idea and try and come to some sort of conclusion. My "friend" just rejects it and then thinks "menial_optimist sent me this book. That means he supports this. He's a fucked up extremist, I'm going to start talking shit about him to all our other friends and avoid him".

[–]shubhidoobi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you send me that audiobook copy

[–]Alpha_Jedi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of us have been there and it sucks going through that. Here's a write up that breaks it down even further: https://alphajedi.com/2017/05/18/friends-like-these/

[–]A_confusedlover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I told him submission to men is a woman's natural desire in such a way that she wants to follow a real leader.

I'm new here, where are you getting this?

[–]buncha_circles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not that some are too stupid to understand -- everyone can understand. It's a matter of what time that person is willing to understand.

[–]Librehombre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I discussed RP with my wife only to discover she was always more red pill than me. She is Asian. I talked about it with her to help explain why our son is so blue pill and how the modern world works. She would never even tell herself nor me what she wanted from a man but she is red pill. Red Pill women give the most shit tests. They need to prove to themselve that you are red pill. I have tried to discuss RP with my sisters and the conversation is off the rails in a few minutes, haole women are difficult. With other men I have had a variety of responses. If they are RP already they will agree, if blue pill they respond very negatively. Feminist and BP people respond negatively. I imagine RP would be no challenge for a muslim, in fact if you want to find common ground with a muzzie repeat some RP truths.

[–]Odins-left-eye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, IRL keep that shit quiet. But some people even advocate for hiding it on reddit, or using an alt. IDGAF who downvotes or labels me here. I'm not married to this screen name either. If it gets too much baggage, I'll delete the account and start over with a new one. It wouldn't be the first time.

[–]no92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When my ltr found out I follow this forum it was like 8/10 dread, the important thing though is I wasn't the one telling her.

Pretty much any friend I discuss it with considers it over analyzing. They are right, for the average guy who just gets it, it's not needed. However a few friends have found a few things useful.

Implying that they could use the analysis /improvements offered is seen as patronizing by the majority of my friends even if they get the ideas. No point.

[–]Incendior -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know. I was introduced by a friend after my oneitis, and he told me that as a scientist I should entertain the thought. Entertained and enlightened.

[–]MinervaBlade89 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't cast pearls before swine.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When one is ready to wake up, awake they will be. No sense of speaking about it to confront people. I find living a life by those principles sets a better example than speaking about it with people who aren't at a place to accept that there is another side to the story.

[–]stinjoshua 1 points1 points [recovered]

What is SJW? So many acronyms

[–]jcbstn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Social Justice Warrior