Red Pill TheoryWoman only care about one fundamental thing. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1atticusfinch1973

As we all digest the Red Pill, there are lessons to be learned. Many of them apply to the women we encounter. Those who have done their learning time realize that the fundamental nature of women has not changed for thousands of years even if they think their one special woman is a unicorn.

In ancient times men had hierarchies of wives and women. There would usually be a "primary" female and several others that were lesser to the first, and the hierarchy could change frequently but the women inside it would defend their status within that hierarchy even to the point of murder or assault.

The advent of organized religion brought in again usually one primary woman to each man, with shame being put in the way if men chose to have more than one wife (even though this is the nature of men). However, this marriage arrangement was usually predetermined based on who would be the best provider, and socially who would work best within the group confines.

What do both of these things embrace: STATUS.

The women you deal with today also embrace this instinctively without even realizing it. Why will a hot girl date an uglier guy with lots of money and a great provider job? Status. Why do women post things on social media for attention? Status. Why do women branch swing? Status. Why would a woman get divorced and brag to all of her friends that her beta ex husband pays all her bills while she parties? Status.

This doesn't only involve relationships with men. Women compete directly with each other for nicer clothes, nicer jobs, the latest knowledge about popular culture, social media followers and things of this nature. Older women who are lonely fundamentally will show how amazing a single life they have to the outside world even though they will regularly go home and cry to their cats privately.

A woman's status directly links her into the perceived hierarchy that exists not only within her friend circle, her relationship circle but also society as a whole. It is measured, obsessed over frequently and they will do things that people would normally think are against their nature to increase it, even subconsciously.

How can we as men use this to our advantage? First of all, realize that their relationship with you is mostly related to this principle. Are you increasing their status even as a beta provider with your money and good jobs, or can they brag to their friends about how they have you cuckolded and you're at home with the kids while they are out partying because you're such a "great guy".

Post wall women as we know cling onto the first male who will give them the ability to show people they are worthy of companionship and also increase their net worth or social status. This is why you see them attempt to keep up with their already married friends by seducing and moving in with (and sometimes suckering into marrying) their provider as soon as they can. Their net worth to society diminishes year to year and they will do anything it takes to get it back or increase it.

As a chad this is the case as well. Women will easily fall into line as long as they have higher perceived status than their social or relationship group or in society as a whole ie celebrity wives. As soon as this starts to diminish because they can't tell their friends or the world about how amazing of a guy you are or can't show off their new house or great wardrobe you provided or how awesome your kids are they will branch swing. Every time.

So if you want to really fundamentally know women, get to know how they perceive their status. If you're not increasing it, likely you won't last long in their world. Realize that most of their decisions are based on if they think that it will increase or decrease their status to the world. And don't sacrifice your own life to help a woman climb to a higher level. Ever.

[–]pizzalover24 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is actually a good thing in disguise.

When playing a sport, do you ever feel that you go harder and take your game up to another level when a woman watches you?

Did you feel that being successful would help you attract women? How many guys join gym with the intention to attract a better mate?

There seems to be at least some kind of desire to impress when a woman is involved.

A 'good' woman inadvertently leads her mate to higher ground. You find a woman who is challenging and you now have a reason to improve. (Of course you can be your more own motivation)

I have seen my own friend go from loser basement geek to home owner after finding a girlfriend.

[–]1atticusfinch1973[S] 53 points54 points  (14 children)

My response to this while I agree it’s a good thing is that it’s not selfless on her part. She likely prompted him even subconsciously to get a better job and a house - which gives her better position if her friends or family ask. “Wow, look at how you turned him around!”.

[–]Nocryingok 82 points83 points  (2 children)

We don't care if they are doing it for your benefit or for themselves. What matters is: the fact that women love status drives men to achieve more

[–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My only gripe would be with this dependency on women for men to achieve more. If you don't pedastalise pussy then the promise of pussy, fresh or otherwise, doesn't drive you to succeed. It has lost it's lustre, you know it is an everyday part of life and more will come in time. Suddenly it doesn't motivate you nearly as much. Now you gotta find something else, and this time make it sustainable!

My suggestion would be gaining and maintaining personal freedom. You need to motivated about escaping wage slavery. Before you've done that pussy should be on the burner.

[–]pizzalover24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. It's not as big a deal as people/media make it out to be. I think it's meant to be a big deal for young teenage males.

For me, I find religion (including some stoicism) to be a more potent driving force in my own life journey.

[–]Kalidane 17 points18 points  (3 children)

It isn't selfless for either party. It's evolutionary biology

[–]itsottis 1 points1 points [recovered]

Plus one for reading the selfish gene by Steven hawking

[–]In33dmon3yz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Richard dawkins

[–]AWLT_3487 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Even if it's not selfless what does that matter? Women are by nature selfish, and seek status. We already know this. OP was just pointing out how this can be a good thing for ourselves. What helps us achieve more is to our benefit.

[–]pizzalover24 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Well then 'her' friends inadvertently are responsible for your rise.

[–]nitsujenosam 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Great, now we'll owe them alimony as well.

[–]alamsohel1990 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This makes much more sense than all things said.

[–]PrivateMightyMouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why blame women for being evolutionary wired to react like you say? You even said it your self that it is a result of being fit to survive. You can't get rid of behavioral traits like that.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep. i think this is a win win scenario for both parties. use each other to get better status. key word, use.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

This is exactly my experience. I dated a JAP (Jewish American Princess) 20 years younger than me for 4.5 years. Every single goddamned day I tried to improve myself. I came from a blue collar household....spending a few years with someone from the upper middle class definitely rubbed off many rough spots. It was very mutually beneficial.....and yeah, much of what we build, we build for sex, we can tell ourselves bitches don't matter.....but, evolution.

[–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same here but with the Chinese experience. The last few were model quality and between 12 and 22 years younger and a small interlude each day is spent figuring out how to up your game to keep the ball rolling.

There are interconnections between pedastlizing and having the "build it and they will come" self-improvement attitude.

Maslow looms large in this and some TRP members will try to advocate skipping the psychological needs (loving/belonging and esteem) and go straight to self-actualization. It's a good Jedi Mind Trick if you can pull it off but seems to involve letting a healthy DNGAF attitude metastasize where you risk descending in to solipsism, narcissism or nihilism.

The other thing is that good, quality male friends have the same effect, but without thinking about your dick. Being respected by quaity men is satisfying as well.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dated a JAP (Jewish American Princess)

Ive heard of that stereotype before, what is with them?

[–]harsha_hs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This hits home. There is nothing wrong in getting better to get sex. There's everything wrong to make HER better to get sex. Because, our TRP seniors and us to some extent, have found that it doesn't get you sex.

[–]JensenMse 11 points12 points  (1 child)

True but it depends. A girl can tell when her man has potential to be of higher status, ie a guy who can raise her status in the long run. That won't stop her from branch swinging if that potential doesn't blossom in her time when she expects it the most. It really depends on how long she will be willing to "wait", so long as your untapped potential value still boosts her up.

Us as men always dream of having that girl who will be there for us no matter what happens, but we should remember to never delude ourselves when showing off what we can do.

[–]pizzalover24 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Unconditional love is the worst thing that could happen to you. It would provide very little motivation to self-improve.

[–]sd4c 6 points7 points  (4 children)

For every guy who's gone from basement geek to homeowner for a girl, there are a dozen in the ground with self-inflicted gunshow wounds, for a girl who stopped loving them.

[–]tbonemcmotherfuck 0 points1 point  (2 children)

12 to 1 seems like a bit of an exaggeration

[–]sd4c 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Quite the contrary. It's conservative figure. After divorce, when counting only self-inflicted death which happened BECAUSE OF THE DIVORCE (example, suicide note), 17 men die for every woman, who kills herself because her husband left. Seventeen!

[–]tbonemcmotherfuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, but that's not what we were talking about. Reread his comment, it's bullshit.

[–]pizzalover24 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True though it also occurs vice-versa.

It happens more often with shallow and unprincipled people of both sides though.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I feel none of those things. I know alot of guys are driven primarily by pussy. There are the odd one out there that are driven by purpose of making his pack better, having the best possible life for himself and being the kind of person that attracts others (both men and Women). Being obsessed with pussy is a sure sign that you are so low on the social latter that you don't have that need taken care of.

[–]pizzalover24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. It's an unhealthy obsession.

I believe it's designed to be an obsession in your teens to help you go from boy to man.

In my own life, I find religion and stoic philosophy a very potent motivator.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I hope he didn't let her move in, cuz she WILL take that fucking house cuz she can.

[–]cuggwy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly this is what the saying behind every successful man is a good women, the women doesn't help him become successful she is the motivation for his success

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]Brutal13 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

She may want the status for herself but a 'good' woman wants you to elevate yours and her status.

Is it possible? I do know that Red Pill's crew don't like mentions of movies, but hell even in House Of Cards — Claire Underwood betrayed Frank.

[–]pizzalover24 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Such things happen but they usually happen because of two very low-quality people getting together.

[–]BurnieSlander 27 points28 points  (1 child)

“The main thing in a woman’s life is how cool her man is.”

-Black Phillip / Patrice O’Neal

[–]Unlimitles 87 points88 points  (1 child)

Wow......No wonder the Hip Hop community states Vehemently that Hoes aint shit.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Yet they get all the girls :thinking:

[–]grewapair 67 points68 points  (21 children)

As someone without good looks but a hell of a lot of $$, I can tell you that the women you see me with treat me like shit. They try to use me while not being very enthusiastic about me at all.

Do I need help with something? Well I can fuck right off.

They give me duty sex once or twice a week. And that's basically it. In exchange, I am expected to do literally everything else, because they are doing me a huge favor even admitting my existence, so that's about as far as it goes.

If this is what you want, go for it and increase your status. If not, acquire LOOKS, not status. In case you want to see the difference, stand next to a good looking guy at a bar or club and watch women who wouldn't even give you the time of day walk up and ask him to come home with them immediately, no wineing and dining required.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (12 children)

They just see you as a wallet. To be very raw with you I read a study on this sub or another manosphere site that said women are biologically driven to mate with the alpha male and take the beta's resources.

Don't let yourself be used like that...

[–]grewapair 36 points37 points  (11 children)

Trust me, I no longer do.

Last woman I tried to date I offered dinner at a very modest restaurant as a second date. She texts me an hour before and says to meet her at a bar where she's with friends. It's the most expensive bar in town (Four Seasons Hotel) and when I get there it's clear they've been there for hours. I realize I'm the wallet for the night and order water and nothing else. The three of them then offer to "split the bill 4 ways" and I tell them I've just had water and no, they need to split it three ways.

She then "informs" me that she and her friends are going to dinner at an extremely expensive restaurant and want me to join them. We of course have a modest date already planned. That is ignored. I decline and go home. She never apologizes. Never contacts me again.

My experience is that if you aren't good looking enough, the girl just puts you into a bucket of people to use. If you're willing, she'll make you an emotional tampon. If you've got $$, they just try to get as much out of you as they can.

But the cold reality is that if you are resistant to being used, they ditch you entirely. What you can never do is be put into the other bucket. Either you get used or get out. For a lot of guys who are desperate, they accept the deal and hope for the best. Now, I realize that even if they use sex to keep you around for the $$ (which RARELY happens, but it does happen), it isn't very fun to get unenthusiastic sex, and absolutely zero effort for the rest of the relationship. So I do push back. But now that I know what they are usually doing, it means getting dropped 99.9% of the time rather than 90% of the time.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Women use all men: good looking men, ugly men, wealthy men, etc...

Women want a good looking man for his superior genetics and fun. A wealthy man for his resources. And an ugly man for validation.

You're wealthy and not great looking and you weren't giving these women the validation and resources they expected out of you, so they left you.

If I was in your position I'd never beta bux and validate these harpies. Being used is the worst feeling in the world.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hey man your experience is heartbreaking to say the least. Get a coach and work on your game. Until then use escorts but you also have to start thinking about getting a personal trainer to get a killer bod

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I have to jump in here. You are not being creative with your money my friend. Money is your ticket to literally anything. Build your own dance studio, hire personal trainers, learn guitar with a private tutor, use your money to build an amazing life and accelerate your own progress to the point that you are attractive. Money is the LEGO, you still gotta make something worthwhile for it to matter. Also know your demographic, find girls who appreciate what you have (aka money), try sugar dating and see if it works for you.

[–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (6 children)

You've missed the point. When you sugar date, the women don't want you, they hold their nose and date you, hardly fun, as they treat you terribly.

I'm already in shape, so that's not an issue. I've been lifting for decades. At some point, you can't overcome an unattractive face.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what about plastic surgery? not to sound like a dick, but it may be your own recourse.. you're already rich as fuck, why not just get a respected dr. and turn that 2 into a 8.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Your experience is valid but your logic is not. Ugly guys with nice bodies do just fine. Look at any pimp, football player, or soldier. What do these ugly, short, jacked guys have in common - power. Which you clearly don’t have right now. Use your money to build power to back up your physique and it’s scientifically proven to induce tingles. You’re in a mental prison right now buddy, you gotta break out.

[–]grewapair 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No, mental prison is where I've been, not understanding that just because a woman sleeps with you doesn't mean she even remotely likes you. Maybe she's with you because she likes money, and maybe she's tolerating you because she likes to dance, or maybe she puts up with you to tell her friends shes dating an athlete. What they don't do is actually like you.

In my case, I've had lots of girlfriends, they are the ones demanding I commit. But when I opened my eyes, I realized they just want a good looking guy. They might settle for someone else.

[–]SveXteZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some serious mental issues here ...

[–]alnico36 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your story is a good eye opener for all of us.i am glad you stand your ground and don't accept to be used..

[–]Broder45 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do these women know about your financial situation? I'm wondering if they know before you have your first interactions or if they don't.

Try doing an activity over dinner and drinks.

And if you do dinner and drinks and it's your first or second encounter, when the bill comes just say "want to split it?". If they say anything in the form of "you should pay for me" I have no problem never contacting them again.

As for your looks, you know what to do to improve. It's part of the foundation for this sub. Fit body and fit clothes with a good hair cut. No need to get flashy. If you feel that's not enough get a tear drop tattoo to show you're alpha af.

Let me know how it goes. I'm sure you're just running through a bad streak.

[–]slicklol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think they treat you like shit because the vibe that I get from reading what you write wouldn't make me want to talk to you either.

[–]PhaedrusHunt -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

You're pedestalizing these bitches. I mean, I can't really say because I've never been in your position. I'm a good looking guy, head from women all the time. But I STILL run game

[–]grewapair 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I'm a good looking guy

Like you said, you've never been in my position.

What I think happens is in between Chads, girls just go around finding someone they can use. When you run game on them, if they don't consider you good looking (and so they put you into the bucket of guys they'll just use), they just take off, knowing they can't use you.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No your just realizing your getting put in that bucket until it's way too late. When you try and get out of that bucket by not acting "like your should" they figure your more trouble then your worth.

You need to be extremely vigilant about your non verbal social cues, remember women notice you far more quickly and start judging you from that second they lay eyes on you. The moment a girl see you she is crafting a story in her head about where you stand. You need to make sure that story involves sex.

[–]grewapair 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh, I fully admit to realizing it too late, and being extremely vigilant about it now. Unfortunately, and this is my original point, virtually everyone has put me, or more recently, tried to put me, in that bucket.

My point is two fold: every one should be watching for it, and don't be surprised if it means literally never finding anyone who isn't trying.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone wants to know what you can do for them. if you are getting continually shoved in the "walking wallet" box, you need to offer something better then that to them. You'll never get away from having to offer value to popular/attractive people. The trick with money is always be known as the guy that caused the event, yet never really be seen paying for anything.

My personal experience with this is to just act like them paying their way is expected. Oh you wanna go to some super fancy $100 plate restaurant? cool lets go. As your placing your drink order, just casually let the waiter know you are on a separate tab. If the girls hear you fine, if they are clacking away and miss it whatever. If they make a huge fuss about it just look at them like they each have three heads, look at the waiter and shrug then ask about a dish or something. Order what you would normally order if you were to go to this place with some friends. Just don't try to make a point by minimizing your order, or making a loud gesture about splitting the check. Most importantly face it head on, do not wait until the check is dropped, that is blue pill pussy bullshit. Upfront, direct, then enjoy your night man, let them deal with whatever bullshit fantasy they chose to believe in. It does not concern you what their wants, desires, hopes, dreams, expectations are. I've been expecting to win the lottery since I was 12, hasn't happened yet, that is a lot longer then some random chick has expected for me to pay for her $100 dinner she can wait till I get mine first.

Getting back at the future women in your life, for the sins of past women will get you nowhere fast. Don't play those schoolyard games, focus on the main game let the bullshit flow around you like water does when a rock is in it's path.

[–]StanDando 62 points63 points  (6 children)

Money and status is absolutely what women care about. I learned that the hard way when I saved a girls life, started dating her, was in a serious soul-mate relationship with her, was the best sex she'd ever had, and then she dumped me. For being 'too poor'. Later, other girlfriends would dump me for the exact same reason. Girls always rejected me -and would continue to - because I was 'the poor guy' from the wrong side of the tracks.

I grew up in third-world poverty, as a perpetual traveller with no time to build social status before I was whisked off to another place. By 17 I was living on my own in a project (aka 'ghetto'). By 19, I was on and off the streets. By 21, I was permanently sleeping rough in a foreign country, every week for 6 years. Six years.

I survived as a street performer (guitarist and singer, a good one), and by begging on the street with a paper cup. I had my rucksack, a sleeping bag in a park, a paper cup. And I had one more thing: GAME.

In 5 of those years of homelessness in a conservative, foreign country with no support, social connections, income, or even a home, I seduced 30 or more girls. And if it wasnt obvious, I told all of them I was homeless when I met them. I did so by approaching a Lot, getting extremely comfortable at using techniques, and developing my own system. Eventually one of my girlfriends moved out of her parents house to rent a flat with me. She paid all the rent, she worked, and I got off the streets. Another girlfriend gave me the money to buy a passport so I could get the fuck out of there when I became single. Another woman, a hot fuckbuddy, was the last person to wave me off on my way to the airport.

So if I can do it as a homeless foreigner, you can do it. If I had your status, I wouldve fucked 100+ women in that time. You might get a 90% rejection rate, and certainly poverty is by far the biggest disability in the sex market, but if youre really good and tough, approach, and for emphasis I repeat: really, really fucking good, then you will get laid.

That is not the end of the story - now I rent a flat, live pretty comfortably, and through another country's unique system, have got a free education. Im now a business bachelor. I have a 19-year old athlete girlfriend, whos ok with me going with other girls, and havent focussed so much on game in the last years.

The lesson here is not that women arent evolutionarily predisposed to be whores - they are, and every single scientific study proves that. The lesson is that you will Always get fewer women than youre worth, if youre of low status or from real poverty. It is also that if you get shit-hot at game, you can still get your minimum.

Ultimately though, with all this talk about 'inner' game and all that shit, it is time for us, as a gender, to develop what I call 'Societal Game'. The daring investment to fight together against the feminazi mass-media and the acceptance of female superiority in our daily lives, and to struggle for, and succeed in, getting all males to have equal sexual opportunities. And that is the game that we should really be focussing on.

Im Don Romeo, and believe me, Ive earned the name! Good luck for the next level and thanks for the important message here.

[–]unn4med 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Wow. This is amazing man. You are so tough for going through these experiences.

What were your days on the street as a street performer like?

[–]Iwannachokekatie 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Were you a good looking homeless foreigner?

[–]alnico36 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi dan , nice story. Am inspired. Would like to get to know more from you.

[–]freshoutofgravitas -1 points0 points  (0 children)

wow. what brand of strings do you use ? /s

[–]sorry_mommy 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Nope. Feels.

A dangerous badboy with big muscles who rides a motorcycle but is poor and doesn't even belong to any social circle because he simply doesn't give a fuck can steal away a woman married to a high status billionaire in an instant.

The only thing a woman ever reacts to is how she feels at any moment. What are her emotions telling her. She is not thinking to the future in the sense of 'how can this man improve my life' she is thinking 'i feel good with this guy right now'.

[–]mrbreeze12 1 points1 points [recovered]

A lot of young women are like this until they hit about 30, then they wise up and stary thinking about they can gain

[–]askmrcia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They don't wise up necessarily, they drop their standards because they pretty much have too. The guys they really want won't commit to them. I. Don't consider that wising up, but hitting the wall

[–]J-baller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It goes both ways. A high status billionaire can easily steal the dangerous badboy's woman

[–]HS-Thompson 48 points49 points  (10 children)

This title is kind of dumb.

Status matters a lot, to be sure.

Other things that matter a lot to women when evaluating men:

  • A feeling of physical safety
  • Emotional stability
  • Sexual attractiveness
  • Sexual skill
  • Cultural affinity
  • A bunch of other shit

All of the above things feed into status, somewhat, and in some ways are unrelated. As such the concept of status is too vague to really cite as some "only" thing they care about.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Status is more important than all of those from my experience observing.

My sister has been in an LTR with Chad for 15 years. They don't even have sex anymore but he fucks whoever he wants. She's essentially his BB. All she cares is that people know that she belongs to him. All she does is talk about him for 15 years. He's 50 she's 45.

There was a whole situation recently where her best friend (married mother to BB with 2 kids) started fucking Chad and claimed to have gotten pregnant and then had a miscarriage. My sister went absolutely bananas because her status with this Chad was in jeopardy.

Once she's been validated by good sex and whatever else, status is the only thing that still matters.

[–]HS-Thompson 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Status is more important than all of those from my experience observing.

My point is that status is all of those things, and more. Good looking guys are higher status. Wealth and fame leads to higher status, etc. Leadership skills lead to status.

It's just another word that combines a ton of different things. People use "alpha" around here the same way, as kind of a catchall for good qualities. When they do, the whole argument ends up reducing to "women care about things women care about" which isn't much help to anyone.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My point is that status is all of those things

I didn't see you say that. But i agree.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Good hell that situation with the married friend really shows how bonkers females are and why traditional cultures and religions of the past controlled women with a firm hand.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He's literally the perfect Chad. And my sister is a chubby 4.5.

Always hated him until i finally understood him via TRP. Still don't like him that much tbh but respect his independence.

[–]caP1taL1sm 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My sister has been in an LTR with Chad for 15 years. They don't even have sex anymore but he fucks whoever he wants.

Why are you privy to this, lol you've got other issues there bro

[–]1empatheticapathetic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I always wondered about it but this particular situation with her best friend brought this fact out into the public.

[–]AWLT_3487 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Title is not "dumb". Its spot on - - and you actually proved his point with everything you listed - - a woman seeks a high profile male with all of those traits so that other people can see she is with one, thus improving her status.

[–]rejyjohney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The OP says find out what a woman perceives as status and then build your strategy. Each woman could be perceiving it in different ways.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I like art. Erotic art mostly. I have this framed & hanging in the hallway of my house. One of the many ways I remind myself that woman are manipulative creatures that look pretty on the outside but can be completely nasty on the inside & that they need to be kept in their place.

[–]BraindeadIQ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Looks good, Where did you get it?

[–]mette13 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Couldn't agree more. Status is key.

[–]acekilo 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Women put Beyonce on a pedestal like she's better than all women but she got cheated on too. All these women are pathetic and there's nothing special about them. They're all the same and they will screw you over every chance they get especially in America. I've been over the Pacific and met traditional woman that are taught to take care of households and their men. Fuck these hoes that don't know and respect men. And if simps think I'm crazy they can fuck off too. Men build and they destroy. It's that simple!!!

[–]Im_already_dead_man 6 points7 points  (1 child)

LOOKS>MONEY and STATUS keep on coping boyo.

[–]Jonmad17 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's literally a combination of both. It's not like a guy who's a 10 on the status scale but a 1 on the looks scale in drowning in pussy. But 8/10 actors and musicians get more women obsessing over them than 10/10 male models.

[–]newName543456 6 points7 points  (4 children)

So why do they fuck broke ass chiseled hunks? These don't have much of a status.

[–]slicklol 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Reply above really explained this : They will fuck, but not commit.

[–]newName543456 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not everyone values commitment though.

[–]RaufRumi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They will start to value commitment once they start getting old. When they realize they can't freely fuck anymore.

[–]newName543456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some would rather die young than stay old and infirm.

[–]ilovecadence 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I don't know what else it's going to take for this sub to understand money doesn't have any bearing on a female human being's involuntary biological sexual desire towards a man. It is about looks and nothing else. All of you fundamentally know this but to admit it is just too much to come to terms with because it implies lack of control, something we can't fix.

You KNOW, in your own personal experience, through everything you've seen, that women care about a man's face and height first and foremost.

When we talk about the bad boy biker who fucks housewives, the biker is 28, 6'2", tanned, muscular, chiseled and facially beautiful. He isn't a 5'9" bearded potbellied 43 year old. When we think of the broke homeless bum couch surfing and fucking hundreds of women, he is tall with a nice face. He isn't a pale, short, balding man.

Our minds already know this. It is mostly unconscious. We just refuse to admit reality because the implications are far too damaging to our ego and outlook

[–]RaufRumi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are talking abut commitment, not fucking. If you are good looking "broke homeless bum couch surfing" then of course you will be able to fuck a lot of girls. But the question is, will they commit to you? Hell no they wont. And they will start committing when they start to age to the most stable person they can find.

[–]dustman83 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm not completely sold on the status argument. I see low smv and low status males pull attractive girls all the time simply because they have great game. The woman may leave a LTR with a low status dude, but there are still lots of good looking women that flock to them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You answered your own question. Women are willing to fuck men of lower status/looks, but not commit.

For an LTR, ideally a woman wants a gorgeous man with a great income. She almost never gets this unless she's a 10/10 or close, but they'll still aim higher than their match.

[–]boy_named_su 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You're wrong. They care about getting fucked by handsome men and money from rich men. Whether these men are the same person is irrelevant

[–]gdihmu 1 points1 points [recovered]

And what do men care about?

[–]THEDICKDEALER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh idk may a low partner count/virgin women who isn't infected with social media? Maybe between the ages of 16-20. Yes I stated 16 because this strategy can only work in a third world country.

[–]newls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like to call this the King Effect in groups.

One tends to find that this effect is equivalent in varying sizes of communities. If you're the founder and leader of your 20-person group, the effect still applies.

The effect is biggest on your SO. They bask in the status and you'll find this is the high-point of their love for you.

I've done big conference talks to my groups and come back to an insatiable SO who must have me right there and then, and says she loves me over and over.

In the context of the SO, I like to call this the First Lady Effect. She assumes the same group ego-status as you.

Interestingly I've also found that there is a similar ego-transitive effect on women who are associated with you in any close way, like your mum or even sister, in that they assume the same ego-level that you do within the group.

[–]brutalanglosaxon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! This is a great post. I wish I had realised things like this sooner in my life. Reading things like this I realise that all women I have ever known are like this.

[–]Saitama_the_llama 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Could you provide some sources to your description of 'ancient hierarchies'?

[–]anon35201 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ancient Hierarchies:

This video should help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdQpLDm6c0w

Key word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_(zoology)

About 250 to 350 thousand years ago, somewhere in Africa you and I were two small Vervet like creatures who were coming into the age of procreation and fighting, and we both wanted females to mate with, however there aren't nearly enough females to go around because females don't prefer to distribute themselves in a socially optimal way (one female dedicated to one male). So what happens is you've got one or two of the most desirable alpha males operating little cliques of 5 or 15 members, taking turns impregnating member females. Alpha gets first pick, betas get what is left over. The females get taken up due to pregnancy.

So you and I meet on the battlefield and a Haram (zoology) has an aging alpha male with beta males seeking another badass alpha. You and I are candidates. We both want to take the scepter of control because he who does gets to reproduce with all the choice females in tow. So we fight to the death with the other betas, or beating the shit out of each other until the betas submit.

So there you have it, the ancient hierarchical structure is one big and badass alpha male who can protect the whole group by tearing the arms off of any other male encountered. The other beta males would run support for the group, their job was raising the kids and doing other non fighting based functions, their salary was access to procreate with lesser choice females.

Robert Sapolsky has 30 hours of lecture content where he gets into Harems and primate hierarchies: Burn it to CD's and listen to it in the car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLE71i4JJiM&list=PLD7E21BF91F3F9683 You'll get more answers and insight than you bargained for.

That's why the key to getting a girlfriend is to have a girlfriend. Women today are still tuned to ancient Harems. They see the women in tow, and automatically think you're the alpha in your own new clique. If they like you and get validation from the other. That's an alpha with 2 females, that's a clique primed for an alpha, beta, and 2 or more females. From there it's off to the races. After you get married you start pining for your younger years and hating your former self for being so timid, because women are always flirting with you everywhere you go, in grocery stores, meetups, they jump on you and get up in your business because they know you're inaccessible, and try to poach you away in typical haram infighting style. The key to getting a girl is to be the alpha and already have a girl. An alpha's ability to attract other men to his clique, and work with him to attract other females is just as important in attracting females directly to you, plus don't forget your ability to attract women to your betas.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not all women are the same. It seems as if this subreddit is filled with ignorant fools coming up with absurd assumptions based on their narrow view. You're desperate. You're afraid of admitting it. Either desperate or a fool.

[–]JohnIan101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not true.

The level of reality has shifted.

And it has postioned itself towards where AtticusFinch1973 claims. Not all women, yes. But far too many actually listen to internet celebrities as if being famous somehow - in video game fashion, had unlocked, higher knowledge.

That's admitting there's a drift in civilization - and that is not a fool, but rather recognizing a fundamental change is occuring. The desperation you see is concern with the future of the human race.

You see, there is a movement to make all things disposable, without merit. A world where things are owed, just because. Not worked for.

[–]bethgal 3 points4 points  (6 children)

it’s so obvious that this entire subreddit just consists of bitter men who are cripplingly insecure for a variety of reasons and it’s easier for them to blame women for the fact that they can’t get laid or get a girlfriend than actually look in the mirror and realise that it’s your own fault. sorry, boys. most women aren’t actually the selfish, status-and-wealth-obsessed monsters you’re making them out to be. most of us are just looking for a decent man in an endless sea of horrible ones. I realise that I’m probably the only person with a vagina to have bothered to comment on this ridiculous post but I just couldn’t help myself. go and see a therapist.

[–]sleepyweaselisawake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Set up a dating profile as a guy and start swiping right. The results may shock you.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Open to hearing your thoughts but nothing you said contradicts the ideas in this sub. No one is saying women are evil, but specifically follow other species that are sexually dimorphic (polygamous relationships with alpha males). The implications of this are painful to realize and bad for society thus covered up in most mainstream American culture. What is savage is that because females are not really affected adversely by this unless they are looking to lock down their own personal alpha, they ‘femsplain’ to beta men that personal experience is not real. Chances are that you have treated a male in your life poorly but because he did not display characteristics of power or status you were barely aware how you treated them, having forgotten this you now assert that you are female, you are nice, therefore females in general must be nice. It’s a nice thought loop but maybe you see the flaw in its composition.

[–]tonikroosofficial 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go suck some cum off a Chad.

[–]BlacknLacy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do women post things on social media for attention? Status.

More like a desperate desire for attention. Most don't have any status to speak of (toilet selfy in some dumpy ass toilet? What kind of status is that?).

So if you want to really fundamentally know women, get to know how they perceive their status. If you're not increasing it, likely you won't last long in their world.

Definitely, but keep in mind that some artsy hipster will have different perceptions of status versus say, a well-to-do lawyer (or aspiring lawyer) of the same age.

And don't sacrifice your own life to help a woman climb to a higher level. Ever.

Help her only if it costs you next to nothing.

[–]Shariabluew 1 points1 points [recovered]

Hint: it starts with a D

and its not dick

[–]Ivabighairy1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always used to say at work "It's all about the babes". The hamsters ... ehhh ... that is, the women would always blow me off and say guys were interested in other stuff. I'd then tell them that EVERYTHING a guy does is geared towards getting laid so ergo, it's all about the babes.

One day I was working next to a woman who was unusually quiet. After about 10 minutes of silence she says to me "Iva, you are right". I made the normal jokes about getting a video or her saying a man was right in something she said and then said "About what?" She said "It IS all about the babes!" And with that she went back to silence (again unusual) and I let that hamster spin the wheel.

[–]asdasda5453 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck the only thing i havent been focusing on is status

[–]BillSander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a good point to be fair, but this ignores the clear dualistic pattern of female sexuality.

[–]TDA36 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this can be applied to every human being honestly.

[–]Razkolol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks & money contribute to status, anything that they can go & brag to their friends with, including: stuff you own, job, looks, cool shit you did/do, etc. AF/BB is not entirely correct, using game & alpha behavior will get you random ons or tinder lays but if you want to keep the bitch around (plate/ltr) your overall status matters, they need to justify to the female hive why they're with you. (listen in to girls discussing in groups of 3+, it's a harpy battle of status). SMV is an overall value that changes the more she learns about you. Looks & money will get your foot in the door after that your smv will fluctuate depending on status.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women only care about attention and living the perpetual student life.

[–]Dean_Friedman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think everyone is attracted to status regardless of gender. The difference is that culture dictates what things are more or less status symbols for men and women. Men being valued higher based on wealth and notoriety, women being valued higher based on physical appearance. Regardless, a wealthy woman will still have far more options than a poor one, just like a very attractive but poor man may have more options than an unattractive rich one (i.e. "sexy mugshot guy" that married a billionaire heiress).

Also, the majority of men in the past did not have multiple mates. Each wife or mistress cost money to take care of, let alone a dowry. The history of commonpeople is not nearly as well known as the lives of upperclass, so it's easy to assume their lifestyles were the norm. Keep in mind, I'm not saying all peasants were strictly monogamous, but neither are a lot of people now. Husbands and wives cheated, poor husbands still occasionally bought sex too but it wasn't comparable to having a mistress.

[–]brzu1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This red pill idea that only women are out to screw men and not vice versa is what keeps me from fully accepting these ideologies. It very clear to see that both men and women are after something specific. In OP's post, he believes women are after one thing: status. He presents straightforward ideas and facts as to why he believes this. The problem is not seeing the reverse and realizing it's not all it's cracked up to be. In every sentence of his "status" idea we can see the male side. Let me explain:

Why will a guy date a girl with big tits and nice ass? Pussy. Why do men look at chicks on social media? Pussy. Why do men cheat? Pussy. Why would a man marry and pay all a woman's bills? The (incorrect thought) of constant pussy.

For every red pill grievance, the reverse is also true. If women are only after status, men are only after pussy. Though all of us want pussy, very few ONLY want pussy. If that was the case, we would pay for it and move on.

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, women want to rise to the top, and they often use their pussy to get there.

[–]ChadsLeftNut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not acquire both to the best of your ability

[–]rfoconnor 1 points1 points [recovered]

This ties in well with my theory on women in general. Someday I will take the time to document it and post it here, but suffice it to say women are not capable of actual love only the illusion of love.

[–]stevenhoss -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Take home message - go buy a bunch of knock off gucci shit and jewelry. Just kidding.

A problem is that status is not easily defined. And might as well be a synonym for “that which is good”. Because at its core status should mean level of “attention” (ie:fame). But Gilbert Godfrey and Donald trump are not sex symbols despite having huge amounts of status.

In order to counter the status argument we’d have to find things that are low status that women put up with.

Well we can all think of examples of loser men who abuse women and engage in trashy(low status) drug use (like meth)who are still getting women. (By using fear and dominance or being good looking).

AND there are examples of men with status that could never be attractive to women - and the prime example would be juvenile male celebrities. Women are not attracted to young boys despite having status because they are not mature nor do they have the required looks. (Like young Bieber, girls would always talk shit on him)

[–]THEDICKDEALER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree bro. Justin briber is a sex symbol

[–]Beats_By_Ray_Rice 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Young Bieber has clipped more model girls before he could drink than either of us could pull with a lifetime to get it together.

[–]stevenhoss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m talking about pre puberty Bieber

The point is that status won’t trump lack of indicators of sexual maturity (looks). Or the opposite too many indicators of age (trump)