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Lately I’ve been hanging out with my best friends younger sister, HB10 19YO . Ever since swallowing the TRP I’ve began to see things from a different lens and it’s improved and continues to improve my life drastically.

No, I’m not trying to hook up with her, even though there’s been plenty of kino & opportunity to escalate when we hang out, she’s out of bounds in respect to my friendship and I am no longer driven by a scarcity mindset as TRP has helped me develop other options so I always control myself not to take it any further. I use her more as a pre-selection tool when I go out.

Some of the TRP principles I’ve observed

  1. Beta orbiter: this girl, has a bunch of beta orbiters, however the worst case is * John. This guy drove from his house at 2 AM to come and see her after she left the club so she could bitch to him about her ex that she ran into at the club when she was out with me, the same ex that she wanted to fuck that same night but he just did not want her that night because she was crazy, now this poor guy, who’s deeply in love with her probably has to listen to her bitch about her Chad ex. I asked her if she would ever fuck *John and her response “ never in my life” . I honestly felt bad for this kid, I wish there was a way to introduce him to TRP since I was once in his position many years back and it fucking sucks, hopefully he will wake up soon.

  2. Compliments: We went out one night, she was looking hot. I learned from TRP never to give compliments but let my actions, hands and eyes do the talking., The entire night she would try and push compliments from me but I held my entire frame and would not give any validation, this just increased the Kino. Then enters one of my very blue pill friends, what’s sad is that this is the guy that introduced me to TRP but for some reason he’s still stuck in the rejection phase for too long. He comes in and right away washes her with compliments “ you’re looking sexy tonight “ “ wow yeah you look really good “... she barely even listened or acknowledged him. I had to tell her “ did you hear what *Blue said ?” To which she replied “ Oh.. ya thanks”. Once again, compliments from blue pill males that female are not attracted to is like getting an offer from a job you are way too qualified for, it’s like an insult.

  3. Scarcity : a lot of guys have a scarcity mindset, she would tell me about the guys that take her out on nice dates, tickets to expensive sports games , obviously all expecting sex in return. What’s hilarious is that she has not fucked any of them but tells me she just dangles the carrot. One guy this has been going on for over 3 months, he takes her to expensive games, movies, dinners with the hope that one day she just MIGHT fuck him. I asked her why these guys would simply just continue on with this instead of moving on and In her words “ they don’t want to lose out at the chance of fucking me “ . Once again, I have been in these guys position before.

  4. White Knight : As she tried to shit talk her ex to me when we were at a club, I wouldn’t listen or entertain it. I would just laugh and keep relaxing and drinking. She would ask me what I think and my response would either be “ I don’t know, that’s a you problem, not me” or just simply “ I have nothing against the guy, let him do his thing” . This is a big shift, back in blue pill days I would have added on and talked shit about a previous or other guy in an effort to make myself seem better, it was pathetic

[–]SillyPutty47 429 points430 points  (28 children)

Attractive women barely hear compliments, but deep down they still have insecurities. While out drinking, my friend's girlfriend (HB7.5) said she wanted to move to California and marry someone rich and famous. I laughed at her plan and called her a "California 4". Months later she still remembers me saying that but she's forgotten every compliment in between.

[–]daxxipro 134 points135 points  (21 children)

That's hilarious. My college town was a small town called Nacogdoches. I'm from Houston.

We used to joke all the time about fucking a Nac 8, but it's a Houston 4.

Random side story ending.

Edit: Some are taking my comment too literally. Yes, there were sorority hotties that I'd bang again in a heartbeat - every college has hot girls. I'm just talking about the typical demographic of Nacgodoches vs Houston.

[–]SillyPutty47 118 points119 points  (9 children)

Haha I like it! It's along the same lines as "office hot". From urban dictionary: "Someone who is defined as hot, but only because of the lack of options enforced by your place of work."

[–]KingRead 55 points56 points  (7 children)

We have a similar thing called 'factory eyes'. It's when the very few women in the factory look attractive, but step outside and they're average at best.

[–]judethedude 28 points29 points  (5 children)

In the oil patch we have “camp goggles” for those extended stay remote “motels”. And they get bad, I’m talking, you feel the shame for even thinking about it.

[–]FatStig 1 points1 points [recovered]

I hear in the navy basically every women becomes a prostitute.

[–]otterberg1 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I was hanging out with a Dutch guy in Berlin and I was telling him how all the American Military girls over there just fuck like they are on Spring break. He says, “yes! We have the same thing. We call the women soldiers NATO Mattress.”

[–]privacythrowaway2003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was in the Army, while stationed in Korea or deployed overseas, we called them "Queen for a Year".

[–]DroppinDimes52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I work in Fort McMurray and this is 100% the truth. We get paid extra money for working at site called "uplift" and we just say that there's a 15% salary uplift and the girls get a 2 point uplift aswell.

[–]thisguy181 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have that term at boy scout camps. Some hott sister comes in to hang out with their brother. You get a number and set up a date for after camp and boom she is nowhere near what you thought

[–]Regigate 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ahh yes, we call them the "Corporate 8". An 8 at the office, but a 4 in any other scenario.

[–]1996_Luna 19 points20 points  (1 child)

There are ZERO or maybe 1.0% of bad bitches in Nac ... this man ain’t lying

Source ; Live in a neighboring city

[–]1Tommy_407 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We used to call them "A 7.5 Monday Nighter"! Which was really a 4.5 on a Friday or Saturday.

[–]Odins-left-eye 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Have you ever read Blood Meridian? Was your school in that Nacogdoches?

[–]dainethemain 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Source: Live in Texas and have read the book

[–]thisguy181 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That reminds me of a girl in my college, a shyer more reserved sorority girl, i called her an East Tennessee 9 but a Nashville 5 once in 2007, and she once bumped my sculpture in the art gallery with her tight but slightly large butt and I made a joke about how it was nice but it wouldn't fit between my car sculpt and the wall as I caught the piece. That was in 2010 I saw her at home coming and she said a bitter sounding jokish thing about her being a 5 and if her butt was still too big. I was like well shit.

[–]PhaedrusHunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ SFA chicks can't be worse than the ones in Sherman were. I actually dated one of the only hot girls. She had transferred from SFA lol

[–]ChadTheWaiter100 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Omg I’m dead! I’m from Houston and I’ve been to nac. I didn’t realize they didn’t have attractive women! I thought they would have had plenty of ass bc of Sfa... but then I think again and realize it’s probably a bunch of dumb white hoes and black bitches.

[–]daxxipro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean there are a ton of sorority hot chicks that I would happily bang again but the statement still stands.

[–]beardeddream 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I live in South FL. Subtract 3 to whatever you think you are.

[–]PMmepicsofyourtits 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is where negging comes from. It's designed to play on those insecurities and get her wanting your validation. An insult hurts more when you get nothing but compliments all day.

[–]Fiesta17 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Bahaha dude, I had this nympho from KC MO who was a poster child for the dark triad of personality traits. I once sarcastically told her she was an LA 6 when she was daydreaming about moving to Hollywood and running the city and she wouldn't let go of that comment for the months I knew her afterwards.

[–]prettyflyforabrowngy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

dude, that's SUCH a female thing hahaha

[–]0kool74 1 point2 points  (0 children)

called her a "California 4"

DAYUM!!!! That's like epic level savage.

[–]Z1llard 160 points161 points  (13 children)

That chick is a goldmine of info. Valuable lessons to be learnt.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 51 points52 points  (12 children)

Absolutely, just strengthens my belief in TRP

[–]GenieGenius 84 points85 points  (11 children)

TRP works for short-term sexual relationships with shallow, insecure, promiscuous women. It is a highly specialized tool for screening, gleaning, and creaming sluts. Just keep that in mind and never wife that bitch.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 35 points36 points  (1 child)

It works in general, but you just described the easiest methodology for applying it. You can apply TRP for a long term relationship and for a very confident woman as well, but it takes more effort and like all things your frame will eventually have a structural failure. You'll never see yourself fail in short term sexual relationships because they're over too quick to fail from long term pressures rather than an immediate and blatant mistake.

[–]GenieGenius 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Long term relationships are impossible without comfort, which TRP does not teach.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

It is a highly specialized tool for screening, gleaning, and creaming sluts.

That's pick-up artistry. TRP is more holistic and can be applied to all kinds of relationships, including marriages, and many of the concepts can help even in your dealings with other men.

[–]GenieGenius 2 points3 points  (5 children)

TRP is sexual strategy. It's evolved into relationships but at its core it's about understanding female sexual selection and getting laid.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

You're of course free to think that if you want, but to me, TRP is much more than sexual strategy. Yes, it evolved from the PUA scene, but it's a much larger framework than just getting laid.

Take frame for example. You can use frame concepts at your job, or hanging out with your friends. Abundance mentality is another concept that can be applied to other areas of life. Fitness, obviously, has applications outside of getting laid.

Swallow TRP and your whole life changes.

[–]GenieGenius -1 points0 points  (3 children)

While I agree, TRP isn't necessarily designed for those things and not always the best tool. If anything, TBP is more applicable in issues of platonic relationships and finance where comfort and compromise are necessary.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

TBP is not reality. If you feel that you're better off living in an illusion, then good luck with that. I personally would rather deal with things as they actually are.

[–]Ricklogical 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is a fantastic summary.

[–]alxjones[🍰] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

most here would say it's not only that though, there seems to be a much broader philosophy

[–]askmrcia 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Can't be mad at the 19 year old. I'm more upset at the simps that allow her to act theway she acts. Oh well not my problem. Maybe they find themselves here at one point

[–]Ganaria_Gente 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'd say you should be more upset at the gynocentric far left culture that produced those simps.

But yes I agree

[–]theDudeFlyz 1 points1 points [recovered]

Good post OP. What I noticed from your write up is how your relationship with this girl has created an unintended situation where she clearly wants you, and its because you make it clear that she CANT have you. Translated into our goals here in TRP zone, if we can take that mindset of "I think you're cute but I'm not going to tell you that, and you CAN'T have me just because you want me" and apply it to all women we talk to, it will create the effect of the woman vying for our attention rather than the other way around. It's so easy to do when you know you don't want/can't have the girl, but applying that mindset to situations where you DO want to fuck is difficult! Something to strive for nonetheless.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Absolutely right, I can’t tell she is into me but as I stated before, no pussy is worth ruining a friendship and some boundaries can’t be crossed. Yeah it is difficult but that is what TRP is here for. Thanks for the advice

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (3 children)

I truly believe a sisters best friend should be treated like women we work with - off limits for fucking. Having said that this should take away any anxiety you may have and give you the opportunity to be a fly on the wall and observe and learn through a red pill “lens”. Thanks for the post!

[–]shubhidoobi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sisters friends and friends sisters are a no go.

[–]SteveStJohn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

One of my biggest regrets in college was rejecting a friend's younger sister. I was 22 and she was 20, and she was visiting her brother for the weekend. He dumped her off on me--probably because I'm super white knight and therefore harmless, or maybe because he wanted to her hook up with a decent guy for a change.

I considered her out of bounds and hands off. Probably did the right thing, but 20 years later I still wonder, what if?"

My regret ratio is 100 to 1 things I didn't do to things I did.

[–]SilverGryphon 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It's nice to hang out with hot female friends from time to time, just don't let them extract resources from you and all should be fine. Treat them like you would treat a normal male friend. If they are the type to return favors, help them out. The payment does not always have to be sex. Gas or grass are acceptable currencies.

I knew this HB 7 chick who would pay me in cash for fixing her stuff, at the going market rate. But I guess I was not really her friend, I was just the friendly repair man in her eyes. I blew all the money on beer and gas for my sports car tho.

[–]callmedoe 93 points94 points  (18 children)

That's a solid advice. I agree 100%. And btw, try helping your blue friend, he seems like he seriously needs a push or something.

[–]WoodWizzy87 57 points58 points  (3 children)

Yikes yea for sure. The amount of dick thrown at hot chicks must just be absurd. It has to be to a degree where they become numb to sexy compliments eventually and are like “yea hmmm I know”. Girls are bitches man

[–]GenieGenius 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Make no mistake. You'd act the same way if girls called you hot all the time and you didn't have to compete much for attention and investment from the opposite sex.

[–]3d_truth 12 points13 points  (1 child)

This is my experience from a guys point if view. On a random Asian dating app im 28 white and attractive. I get alot of compliments like this mainly from older and unnatractive women. My.first reaction is 'they must be fat, trans, old, or not as hot as their photos. Sometimes i feel slightly offended when fat girls talk to me.

But if she's bangable I lock that down pretty quickly.

[–]zyqkvx 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is not talked about on redpill enough. If you are an attractive 35-50 male you get hit on more by older women, and/or women with a body type equivalent to a beta male than you do younger women. The younger women give you IOIs, the old and/or beta body'd women are either direct or embarrassingly direct. About a week ago I was in trader joes and a 25-30 yo single mom sped her cart up and cut in front of me to force interaction. I just let her then steered away. It's flattering for a few seconds till I realized she's a hungry monster that wants me to be her fuck and cuck.

This sounds like a humble brag unfortunately, but it's not. It's like being tom cruise but only the audience members from Oprah approach you. I don't have the status of Tom Cruise. Younger give IOIs but still expect the approach and me to put in all the work.

[–]Daspker780 47 points48 points  (3 children)

That's not a good idea. typically when members of TRP introduce friends to TRP or feed them RP advice it backfires and ends with the BP friend using that to virtue signal to females to try and get laid.

[–]mediandirt 27 points28 points  (2 children)

His friend is the one who introduced OP to TRP. His friend just didn't stick with it.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Exactly, If it wasn’t for him, I can’t think of where I would be without the lessons from this community.

[–]Karmelion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Is he not lifting weights then? Does he not have any hobbies outside of video games and weed?

Where did he fail?

[–]swimminginblue[S] 16 points17 points  (8 children)

You are right, I just don’t know how to go about it. I can’t thank him enough for introducing me to it and I tell him all the time. It set me on my journey of self improvement which has paid great dividends but he has just stagnated, he hasn’t taken any of this information and began to use it, I would love to help him but I just don’t know how.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He is a man, he has a rational nature.

Perhaps you can talk in terms of cause and effect.

From his actual behaviour, what effects will he expect? What effects will he desire?

Will he choose to change his behaviour to obtain the desired effect?

[–]WalterEArmstrong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't be a rescuer, it's too easy to get flipped into a victim.

[–]callmedoe 4 points5 points  (2 children)

To be honest, you gotta do something. I feel bad for your friend. Hell, I used to be that guy myself ( still am, but day by day I am working on myself) you gotta make him realize that if he continues to be a little bitch, he'll never be happy. Trust me, I've tested it on my skin.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Thanks man, yeah I’m going to, it’s the least I can do since he introduced me to TRP.

[–]deadams10 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Is he putting the theory to practice or is he just reading it for the sake of reading it? Has he changed his smv at all in the time you have known him? Maybe you can take him out and try doing some of the things, pointing out which mistakes he makes.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

His SMV hasn’t changed at all. It’s crazy because his SMV was way above mine when he introduced me to it, now I have surpassed him. Yeah I think I’m going to, I usually would not bother would other people but this would be the least I could do since he introduced me to it.

[–]SteveStJohn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Challenge him first. When he white knights or makes some beta statement take him aside and ask, "does that ever work," or "how many dates have you gotten from all of those compliments?"

You'll find out right away whether he's open or not to your suggestions.

Let us know how it goes.

[–]ChickenBalotelli 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'll take that bit about letting actions, hands, and eyes doing the talking to heart! thank you for writing!

[–]pplay_ 65 points66 points  (17 children)

If you are abundant then you should not need to worry about withholding compliments. A compliment that comes from a place of abundance makes a woman feel really good. It is good game. A smooth compliment is great game.

She puts a lot of effort into her appearance. The natural thing to do is comment on that. Just don’t be bland or unoriginal. And don’t overdo it because that’s when it becomes validation. But also don’t be too crude or isolated from the context of your interaction.

Make sure your interactions with her are congruent with the relationship you have. If she is someone you’ve never talked to before a compliment is a good conversation starter. If you are more comfortable then you can be more risqué with what you comment on, something about her body etc.

The key thing is to make sure it is coming from abundance. You are adoring her not admiring her.

[–]PhaedrusHunt 46 points47 points  (0 children)

She puts a lot of effort into her appearance. The natural thing to do is comment on that. Just don’t be bland or unoriginal.

That skirt makes your ass look plump and edible.

[–]pplay_ 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I should say for clarification that if you are going to begin a conversation with a compliment you should follow it up with a question about what it is you’re complimenting.

Also the reason why a compliment from abundance is great game is because it is something she will not forget. If you say you like her legs and you’re abundant she will remember that and do more to showcase her legs. If you like her eyes but she wears glasses she will get contact lenses so you can see them better. If you like her with glasses she will wear them more often.

Again adoration versus admiration

[–]zyqkvx 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Great great comment that hit the best points. I want to expand.

Women have super radar. They can tell between a compliment that says, "Hey, sign this covert contract real quick" and a compliment that is congruent, which is flattering and taken as an IOI. It's possible for a high SMV male to do the first, or a low SMV male to do the latter (As a side note, this is something low SMV can work as game if they do it properly and are past confidence issues). Congruency and abundance are huge factors for pulling this off. I do this sort of 'catch and release' compliment thing that works great. Example. There is a young woman in one of my circles that has a beautiful olive face, yet wears her hair down like 'cousin it'. One day she tentitiively wore her hair up loosely and she looked like a goddess. She was giving me an instant boner feel and instead of hiding it I went up to her and said something to the lines of 'wholly shit, do that', marveled over her for a min then left. At the next four meetings of our circle she wore her hair up and other guys were swarming around her more awhile I was ignoring her. The guys were coming off as beta though, and I could tell she was pining for me to come talk to her again. Such a shame. Would have loved to nail her. I'm in a LTR I can't complain about, and everyone in my circles know each other like a small town. So 'it's complicated'. Such a waste of ripe fruit.

[–]NotAThrowAway5678910 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Can you give some examples of situations where a compliment comes from an abundance mentality? And consequently what types of compliments to avoid?

[–]kal_eido 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Expanding to what pplay has mentioned, Consider you have a hollow metal pipe and a solid metal pipe. Hitting it to make a sound is you complimenting her.

Hit the hollow pipe - you complimenting girl for getting laid. Hit the solid pipe - you complimenting girl for sake of admiration and not getting laid - the coming from abundance aspect.

[–]pplay_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So you either are abundant or not.

If you’re abundant then every compliment will come from that place. On the contrary of you are scarce then your compliments will reveal that.

In other words your abundance forms your compliments not the other way around. So the situations when a compliment comes from abundance is when the one giving it legitimately has abundance.

You should avoid complimenting too much or elevating her above your own self. In a way you are condescending her by complimenting her. But this is only because you are of such high value. Does this help?

[–]NotAThrowAway5678910 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This does make sense and especially the part about compliments seeming condescending if they come from a place of lower SMV.

Internalising RP concepts such as abundance mentality will naturally increase SMV and therefore make compliments more effective as it is acceptable to compliment from a position of higher SMV

[–]swimminginblue[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I’m more comfortable, she has an amazing ass, I let her know it verbally and physically ( can’t keep my hands off )

[–]dubpluris 20 points21 points  (5 children)

I thought she was “out of bounds” out of respect?

[–]swimminginblue[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

She is. I don’t escalate beyond that

[–]dubpluris 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’m confused though. What’s the difference between not being able to keep your hands off her ass and sleeping with her in terms of respect for your friend?

[–]ShotgunTRP 10 points11 points  (2 children)

If you grab her ass you may as well fuck it

[–]swimminginblue[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good point but I’m not ready for those repercussions!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Adoration (which means worship)? Compliments as ice breakers? Am I in an alternate reality where red = blue?

[–]pplay_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I find cats adorable. Children are adorable etc. I don’t think that adoration and worship are necessarily synonymous. And certainly not in this case. It should be obvious how the word is being used here.

As for opening with compliments I’ve never had a problem with it. This is because I come from abundance. It lets her know about the parts of her that you are noticing. A good sign that she values your compliment and therefore you as a man is when she remembers the compliment and does more things to get you to notice her.

What is this red = blue business? Red is obviously red and blue is blue. That is a simple identity relation and the alternate reality could only be suggested by your own mind state.

[–]NYdude92 35 points36 points  (26 children)

FUCK! I've been a floater on the TRP for about a month now. Reading through all of this makes me realized how much of a fucking blue pill I am.

I always been a "nice guy" because growing up with my mom that's just what she taught me. (Dad is alive but he lives in another country)

There has been nights where my high school crush from 10 years ago, who I still talk to(HB8) called me and crying about how bad Chad treated her, fucked her and dumped her, and I'm just sitting there listening and trying to feel bad for her just because that's what "nice guys" do. Only to find out she went back to that same Chad on new years eve just because she was alone.

Thank fucking god I've found this subreddit and learned so much from reading all these materials.

Next time she calls me, which I know she fucking will. And tries to complain to me about her Chad issues again imma tell her to fuck right off and I am NOT a emotional tampon.

As Matt Hardy would say, I. AM. WOKEN!

[–][deleted] 111 points112 points  (5 children)

Next time she calls me, which I know she fucking will. And tries to complain to me about her Chad issues again imma tell her to fuck right off and I am NOT a emotional tampon.

And that right there is another blue pill mistake. You're sitting there thinking of a great line that will wake her up to see what she's been missing all this time. You want that dramatic moment where you say something so profound that she suddenly recognizes and validates your feel-feels. Well, sonny, this isn't some romantic comedy. This is real life, and all that shit will do for you is make you look like more of a valueless pussy in her eyes.

Don't be offended -- I'm trying to help. What you want to do here is just not answer the phone. Ideally, don't answer the phone because you're too busy fucking some other bitch, or because you just don't give a fuck, but until then, just turn your phone off and go to sleep at night so you can get up early and work on your body.

Dramatic exits are for bitches.

[–]TheWikiLeaker 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Or even better, answer the phone and ask her "what is it? Can you be quick I'm busy with a girl right now" and watch her tone change to complete jealousy. You will also likely have a dry spell where she doesn't make much contact with you but that will then be followed by more attention in person.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Nope. That would be him playing girl games with her. Just next her and move on.

[–]TheWikiLeaker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It depends what he wants from her. I wouldn't call that a girl game either more of a tactical move. It shows he's giving his attention to someone else and she doesn't hold as much significance to him as she thought thus resulting in a hunger for attention.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

TRP, to me anyway, isn't about doing whatever you have to do to get your dick wet. It's about building a framework for yourself in which any individual woman doesn't make or break you, you keep your self respect, and you can afford to pass on a piece of ass. I don't tell him to not answer the phone as part of a game to run on her so that he can trick her into fucking him. I tell him to not answer the phone because she is a waste of time and he should have better things to do. Trying to make her jealous by answering the phone and saying he's with another woman is silly. Even if that's the objective, answering the call means you just stopped fucking someone else to talk to her on the phone. What kind of message does that send???

There is no need to define shit. Let it be vague. Let her wonder. Be unavailable. Better yet, don't fucking worry what she thinks, because she's not the only bitch on the block.

[–]TheWikiLeaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You make a good point and that's probably the best way to look at it. I've not been on this sub long so don't know exactly what everyone stands for but ye I was looking at it from an angle of getting your dick wet. I agree the stronger framework is to focus on yourself though rather than his action be dictated by getting one over on her.

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 35 points36 points  (3 children)

imma tell her to fuck right off and I am NOT a emotional tampon.

No. You are going to tell her that you and her should hang out sometime, but right now, you need to get back to ...

... the gym. ... your date. ... your career.

or whatever you happen to be working on at the time to make yourself a better man.

You should have almost no spare time to be even talking to a girl you are not dating, plating, or just banging.

If she calls, you arrange a meet up, where you hook up. If she won't go or play along... You next her and move on.

Once you see the light my friend, and see the plan ahead of you... its all so much easier...

[–]UncleChido 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you pronounce your username?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Onezeeonezeetwoextwoexthreeseethreeseefourveefourvee, I'd assume.

[–]d0lphinsex 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Next time she calls me, which I know she fucking will. And tries to complain to me about her Chad issues again imma tell her to fuck right off and I am NOT a emotional tampon.

Girls will be girls and boys will be boys. Just because you've read TRP doesn't mean you should be an asshole to people. You can still be nice to people, but with the knowledge of what relationship you are to the other person. With TRP you choose which people to have in your life. You go out every week to social events to socialise and try to pick up girls. You talk to a girl in the club, she rejects you, you don't mind because you have an IDGAF attitude and go to the next girl, she rejects you, you go to the next etc. Start being goal oriented with your relationships. Did that girl you've been dating not put up for three dates? Be upfront with her what you want, if she's not on the same page, next her/befriend her if it suits you. TRP is just theory, Chad is not real, everyone is a mixture of beta and alpha. Lift, earn money, socialise, be upfront with what you want with people (ask girls out so that they know it's a date) and don't lurk on this sub too much.

[–]DntPnicIGotThis 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I. Am. Woken...... smh no please don't do that.

[–]NYdude92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol it's just a funny way to say I see everything clearly now and I am done being that BP dude. Pro wrestling fans would understand that reference.

[–]jcornt31 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At least you've now realized it. I was on this sub for about 6 months before I started to implement RP practices into my life.

Keep reading, focus on yourself, and try to not relapse back to being a bitch.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good stuff man, the journey will be long and hard but so worth it.

[–]Ricklogical 1 points1 points [recovered]

Hey no no no no, come on now wait a second if she calls you again tell her ask her if she wants to come over and talk about it.

You can't talk right now but you are free later if she wants to take a walk around your neighborhood or something like that.

If she doesn't want to spend time with you physically THEN tell her to get ahold of you if she changes her mind then tell her you can't talk anymore, super busy with whatever.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

No. The worst thing that could possibly happen is that this girl comes over and in a moment of weakness or drunkenness decides to give our boy some pity pussy. He would take that as validation and reinforcement of his blue-pill behavior, and then she'd be able to make use of him emotionally for a couple more years as he sits like a dog waiting for his next treat.

No, the ship has sailed on this one. Get unstuck -- she's not "the one" -- nobody is. Next her and move on!

[–]Ricklogical 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'd rather fuck her once than never.

Her weak and drunk pity pussy sounds great just once.

Even better, now she wont call him again for fear of getting his hopes up OR she calls and literally just plated herself.

It's already established what she comes over to do, anything else is denied.

She can't emotionally make use of him, he's already aware and unavailable for that.

He's not even stuck on her, she called him out of the blue before he took the pill, this is an opportunity to work a scenario that many of us come to all the time: A woman who's in need.

Those needs can be handled and she is calling to find out the price. It used to be free but it isn't anymore, doesn't mean she's not hungry.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I'd rather fuck her once than never.

Her weak and drunk pity pussy sounds great just once.

Wow, that sounds terribly desperate and your whole approach is completely blue-pilled. I have to next you now.

[–]Ricklogical 1 points1 points [recovered]

I understand where you are coming from. If he has plenty of options, this one is a waste of time and effort and has been for years.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly, and he should either have or be developing other options. One great other option is to be sleeping if it's late at night so that he can succeed in his own fitness and school/career goals. If it's not late at night, working a heavy bag or doing pushups or learning a language would be time better spent than listening to her whine about Chad.

This girl's a write-off for our boy, and probably mostly because he mismanaged her right from the start. But the good news, friends, is that she is only one of 3.5 billion women in the world.

[–]Ricklogical 1 points1 points [recovered]

A shoulder to cry on is a dick to ride on.

You just want to bottle it up like he can't fuck her. Like it isn't easy and appealing to fuck her.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

A shoulder to cry on is a dick to ride on.

Man, if there is a blue-pill motto, that's it right there bro.

[–]Ricklogical 1 points1 points [recovered]

You are right.

Desperate and blue-pill that's me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well, if you want to fix that, "The Rational Male" and rooshv.com are good places to start.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I was literally "John" once. I remember driving 30 miles South to pick her up and take her 60 miles North. The whole time she was whining about her ex. Didn't offer fuel money or anything.

I remember a few months later I was wisening up and started asking for fuel money and she was literally speechless then outraged. I think her answer was something like "I could have got *Jason to pick me up for free".

I didn't get red pilled at that time I just grew some self respect and dropped her from my social circle. The problem was I then started looking at everyone else in my social circle and they way they treated me and ended up dropping out from it and then not going out anymore.

Fast forward 4-5 years and I am red pill but also get a bit of red pill rage (fuck all women etc) with no friends as I won't put up with normal human behaviour.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It can be tough, it’s an easier journey for some but for others acceptance will come with more anger/rage. Thankfully I got all that out of my system. I hope you do too, thanks for sharing

[–]jm51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

also get a bit of red pill rage

No point being angry at nature. I had a staffie that could convince almost anyone that she hadn't been fed and was starving. That dog managed to get triple fed one day and could hardly walk. It's part of what staffies do.

I get played sometimes by women in my social circle. If it's minor, I go along with it, no big deal. They already know not to try big plays on me and they get off on small victories because women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should've used her to meet hot girls, give her a challenge and see how quickly she wants to fuck you

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don’t be like John and turn into a beta orbiter. However it’s not nearly as bad as OP’s friend who introduced him to TRP and decided to validate a girl. John doesn’t know any better, he’s still a nice guy.

[–]RUALUM15 13 points14 points  (6 children)

There is no such thing as a 10. A 10 has a perfect personality/looks. And I assure you no 19 year old has the potential to develop both.

[–]bitchpotatobunny 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I once heard the best description of a 10 that I find most accurate.

"A 10 is just a 9 that fits one's particular eye."

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

18-23 are a girls prime. What are you talking about?

[–]AdamNJH 6 points7 points  (0 children)

10s are unicorns. Do unicorns exist? No.

[–]RUALUM15 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It's not about looks. A girl could be a complete bitch or can't develop enough interests or passions to hold a conversation.

[–]kal_eido 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I second that. Bang her all you want 24x7 for a week, and when you finally think of getting some good peaceful dinner and discover all you can do is talk only shit with her! may be then u would like to reconsider.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (14 children)

Once again, compliments from blue pill males that female are not attracted to is like getting an offer from a job you are way too qualified for, it’s like an insult.

There's more to this. Compliments overall will lower your rank in her perception. An alpha paying compliments looks less alpha; tangentially he may look a beta to her.

[–]anylegtypes 1 points1 points [recovered]

Not always.

If you have already established a pretty rock solid frame, compliments can actively help you get closer with a girl. If you're heavily flirting with her, for example, "you're so fucking sexy" said with real intent and eye contact is a great way to ramp up the intimacy of the moment. Similarly, if she's being genuinely cool and a good conversational partner, "I like that you're so nice" said with authority and firmness is a good way to establish a bond and comfort and recognise that you two have a connection out loud.

This is really handy, because it's also just a genuinely good thing to do to make others feel good. I really enjoy the fact that I've found a style of game where I can (usually) reconcile being a good person with being very attractive. I was super worried when I first got into this shit that I'd have to choose between being a sexy asshole and a weak good guy, but turns out it's possible to have both.

Doesn't mean you don't still have to pose a challenge and tease girls and set boundaries and all that stuff, but once you really internalise this stuff, and you learn how to give compliments without giving up control or frame, it's really liberating to be able to be nice and have it make you more attractive if done well.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You wanna sit on the low end of the Jerkitude spectrum. Takes brains to do it, but surely doable.

[–]naIamgood 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Compliment should be disguised as much as possible to fuck with their mind. All I ever use to compliment a girl is say "you look different". Different in a good way bad way that is for her to decide.

[–]anylegtypes 1 points1 points [recovered]

It'll work to get girls.

I don't see it working to also produce consistent, really genuinely happy and healthy relationships.

All I can say is that it is possible to build enough status and solid frame where you can be a really genuinely fucking nice dude AND still be super attractive, and I think that's the best place to be in. Gets you out of the mindset of playing tactical games to keep her interested and lets you just stay in the moment more.

Take it for what it's worth my dude.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That should be the end goal for LTR between fairly mature people. What makes your points hard to implement is the dramatic shortage of fairly mature women.

[–]anylegtypes 1 points1 points [recovered]

What makes your points hard to implement is the dramatic shortage of fairly mature women.

IMO, severe lack of fairly mature men, too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You won't be telling me, I hope, that men and women are equals in average maturity (and possibility to grow and become integrated, with all parts of the self patched together coherently, instead of compartmentalized).

I act immature with women because whenever you don't treat them like children it costs attraction points with 95/100 of them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ambiguity, let-her-guess game. (Or: never free her from all of her insecurity game).

[–]evergonitenitenigga 1 point2 points  (1 child)

agree. esp if you already have a reputation of a 'player' and good with women in general. giving a compliment to a woman you already know will not be detrimental. whether you've fucked her already, currently fucking her or not interested in fucking her but she's on that level that you'll let her suck your cock, sure give a compliment but don't overdo do it. i would say this tho, personally, i never compliment strangers or a hot chick i just met

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Let's say compliments must be unmistakably dropped like acts of generousness from a place above her.

(As opposed to: appear to be used from a place of under her/her same level to win her favor.)

A gift coming from strength instead of a way to negotiate desire.

(Note: A lord never granting any gift will frustrate the egos of his follower(s) and be resented in the long period. So: give compliments as gifts in LTRs).

[–]ShotgunTRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The only time you compliment a girl is when she’s naked on your bed and you’ve busted a nut on her back

[–]ashotofmidoriperhapz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is great. I have the same observations with co-workers.

Now right off the bat I treat them like shit, like children but the IOI, kino and just eye fuck they give me is insane. They go on dates with guys but never fuck. Most of the time the guys blow up their phone all day it's just tragic for them. They throw compliments left and right, but to the girls it just doesn't really mean anything, but when I say no when they want me to do something for them, or give them shit about a date they went on or something they said it's like they can't get enough.

Wish I could write more, meeting with HR.


[–]42-AX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you elaborate on the “all action, no words” compliments concept?

I’ve started giving compliments recently as an attempt to become more assertive, but I haven’t gotten anywhere I didn’t have access before.

[–]DtdKaz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yo I’ve been a lurker here for sometime and finally want to swallow the pill. Where do I start? I am not a beta as I have too much self respect but I want to take the next step. Thanks in advance.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Self improvement. Read the sidebar and hit the gym, focus on yourself. It’s going to fucking suck when you realize your past mistakes/regrets but it’s all part of the process, you’re going to come out a better version of yourself.

[–]Hegend1999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no reason to comliment a woman nowadays. They got compilments every fckn day. So, you just need to say things that bluepill guys wouldn't say. Of course, don't be too rude, be a nice guy. :D

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 3 points4 points  (4 children)

my best friends younger sister, HB10

Sounds like the kid's got a crush. There are no 10s.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It’s subjective. But thanks for your opinion

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Perhaps you missed the flair kiddo. Objectively there are no 10s due to subjectivity. Hence my point.

[–]NotAThrowAway5678910 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How would someone describe a HB9 that he subjectively thought of as a 10? As a HB9?

In that case why does 10 exist on the scale?

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the HB scale is considered objective. If you are stating personal 8s as HB8s who to most other men are considered 6s, then you are using the HB scale incorrectly. This is the essence of "there are no HB10s" because no large scale of men will consider one woman a 10. However, at worst a 10 will be considered an HB8. At least according to Heartiste.

Point being, separating the individual perception of a woman from their personal perception. This is important for note sharing amongst men. How do we know? If your idea of a 7 is some size 16 bitch then we should be aware of this and you should label her the 4 (at best) that she is. It is the only way a community like this can function.

Specifically to my point... there are no 10s. A 10 is very specific to each man. For instance, I've found men who agree with me on the personal 10 I've slept with. Others consider her an 8 or a 9. Each to their own. Those two points make a difference, just as the difference between a 5 and a 7.

[–]abhishek9129 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Saved the post, loved reading it. Feels blessed to be a Red Pill guy. Life looks so easy and clear.

[–]swimminginblue[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks man, it really does. The best was getting past the “anger phase” it was like I left winter and spring hath come. I no longer look back with regret, that how I know I’ve progressed. I didn’t know any better

[–]Joshua_Naterman 1 point2 points  (4 children)

This should be a stickied post.

[–]d0lphinsex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you've read the sidebar you know this already.

[–]Joshua_Naterman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People should, but there's nothing wrong with repetition: that's one of the requirements for effective learning lol :P

[–]swimminginblue[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thank you, I’m sure there will be more lessons from her. It’s just reinforced how accurate and important what we learn from TRP is.

[–]Joshua_Naterman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It just shows how important it is to be your own person, think for yourself, do what makes you happy, and not pander to people when your job, life, or livelihood isn't on the line if you don't.

Sometimes people get a bit carried away and derogatory here, and it gives a good mindset a bad name.

IMO this place has gotten much more on-the-ball and less abusive over the past year or two.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

OP, that's a great post of insights but what's your plan? I get the feeling that just hanging around with HB10 for long won't do you much favor unless you strike at some point.

I really don't know but could it be she cultivating herself a solid orbiter with future potential in you? Not trying to diss but curious cause I've seen similar situations where nothing ever develops so what's your plan/battle strategy? Or is just hanging around this one girl the end? Have you been seeing other girls/letting her know? Are you lifting? School, work, hobbies?

[–]swimminginblue[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Good question, I expected it. In reality, I have no plan. She is my best friends sister and that is one path I will not cross. I work, go to school, have been lifting consistently for the last 6 months and have improved my physique greatly. She’s just a pre selection tool and I invite her to join me once in a while because we have fun together. I only text her to invite her out/logistics

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ok, good mindset. Let me warn you though, because I have experienced similarly...

If you ever catch feels for this chick, she WILL flip the script on you so hard, you'll vomit before you can admit it to yourself.

The best thing I can tell you, find and focus on other girls for a bit so that this girl in particular can start seeking you out more actively as opposed to you giving her some/any preferred, though unconscious, treatment.

I know you said you respect for friend and all, but realize life goes only one way. Being your friends friend and and his sisters SO are not mutually exclusive, but do realize that shit will be difficult, so again create some distance and let her make it happen. And give her/them reasons (your ever increasing SMV) to make it happen.


[–]Gettingaware 3 points4 points  (1 child)

NOT that this is a problem, and im not trying to insult you. But you have to be able to see what youre really doing here. You feel wanted by a pretty girl and its fun to flirt and game when there is no pressure to make a move on your part.

But youre also emotionally invested in her because her valitdating you helps you see youre on the right path.

This is orbiting. Youre an orbiter.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

op sounds like he is her orbiter too

[–]stylesm11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

you're an idiot if you would fuck a closer friends sister

[–]Raikkonen716 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You said you have been in those guys position before. What do you think changed your way of behaving with women the most?

[–]swimminginblue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Failure and pain, I was tired of it. I knew what I was doing clearly was not working, thankfully I had enough reason within me to change and do something about it. When I was first introduced into the manosphere ( TRP, Rational Male, coach Corey ) i went through the depression/anger stage, it was terrible but I would never want it any other way.

[–]Fosoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

A lot of this terminology is lost on me and y’all talkin about “Red Pill Theory”. Is there somewhere I can go to where all the basics are explained? Is The Red Pill like a book?

[–]swimminginblue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s an analogy on The Matrix

[–]miiike23 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you update after you fuck her?

[–]swimminginblue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

haha I do not plan on it but sure

[–]i_pace-around 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, I seriously cannot concieve of the idea that there is a person out there is completely, entirely motivated by sex, things every human thought and action relates back to basic primitive fucking, and that he believes that every other person on this Earth has to be motivated similarly. I have never come across a more close-minded, self serving, confirmation biasing way of thinking. You guys are supposed to be all about "science" and empirically observing the way things supposedly are. Yet your thinking is not creative, innovative, and it certainly not of a higher order. Your thinking is clouded with bias, which distorts the way you view the world. Like you are seeing the world through red colored glasses. Work on that.

[–]looneyniggabunny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still new to trp, and couldn’t find the answer online Anyone here can explain what is TMJ?

[–]suaressi 0 points1 point  (4 children)

you are a beta orbiter. don't kid yourself buddy

[–]swimminginblue[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey man, if that’s going to help you sleep at night, then yeah sure I am.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Not every interaction with a woman is either "I'm fucking this girl" or "I'm this girl's beta orbiter". It's actually possible to have women in your life with whom you have no intention of having sex. Even hot ones.

Once you fully grok TRP, you'll realize that there is plenty of pussy in the world -- and actually, it goes beyond pussy -- there's plenty of everything you want in the world -- and you'll govern yourself with more intention and less desperation. You won't see every possible opportunity to fuck as your last chance to get your dick inside someone. You'll be a stronger, more confident man, and ironically enough, you will have access to even more pussy.

[–]suaressi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

thanks for the lecture kid. you keep doing you buddy.

[–]dunlopbee -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

Why don’t you just tell your blue pill friend?

[–]swimminginblue[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

What do I tell him ? He’s the one that introduced me to this. I can’t thank him enough and I have told him numerous times but I just don’t know why he has not began on his self improvement journey himself.

[–]dunlopbee 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You need to just be upfront with him and tell him he’s acting like a BP. That’s what a good friend would do. That’s what a red pill would do.

[–]d0lphinsex -1 points0 points  (3 children)

His friend is out at a club interacting with people, it's better than sitting at home.

[–]dunlopbee 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He said his friend is a blue pill. If you were acting in a manner detrimental to your life, wouldn’t you want your friend to tell you? Or would you rather live in your ignorance, be a blue pill?

[–]d0lphinsex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, that's why I go out with a bro. But everyone is in their own chapter. Maybe his friend goes out just to approach at this time?

[–]dunlopbee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His friend should still know. He should not hide it from his friend.

[–]excaliboor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Some day you will understand

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