Autists vs Borderlines (self.askTRP)

submitted by Heathcliff--

"Why the fuck do guys keep trying to understand women when we can't even understand ourselves". - one of my plates.

Sober for this one so hopefully it's a bit more coherent. And it's going to be long. But fuck you, read it. It may be one of my most important posts to date, and a lot of you retards need it.

Got a lot of salt in my last post, from terpers and angry feminist soyboys alike. God do I love that shit, maybe I have a bit too much Milo in me but I take a special glee out of stirring shit up and then being called an autist faggot by losers on the internet.

Autist indeed. I won't even deny it. Sure I may not have a diagnoses, but there's always been something "odd" about the way I've operated in the world, I never really got along with the normal kids and I didn't really get why... why was I weird? Did I think differently to the way other people think? Was I just stupider than everyone without realising? Was it that I was much smarter than them and so couldn't fit in properly? Is the internal wiring of my head just... different?

The answer to all of these questions is: yes. And eventually I found out why.

The Extreme Male Brain theory of Autism posits that Autism, which is overwhelmingly found in males, is a byproduct of a brain structure that leans heavily on the "male" mode of operating, that is, systemisation.

The author argues that the autistic male has an overwhelming ability to systemise the world around him, a result being superior abilities in mathematics, engineering, music, construction, games, science etc. But this comes at a price; a dominant male brain results in an underdeveloped and underused female brain.

And what does the female brain do? It empathises. It is heavily, heavily fine tuned to understand and navigate the social world of humans; far better than the male brain ever could.

This will be the main focus of this post; the battle between systemising and empathising that takes place; in our own heads and in the sexual marketplace.

If you have access, I suggest you read the above article first. The author explains the concepts very well and makes a good case for over-systemisation in autistic men. I also got to give credit to my ex-LTR for this post, because, being a psychology student, she was the one who introduced me to this article and these concepts.

The Systemising Autist

The author defines Systemising as such:

‘Systemising’ is the drive to analyse the variables in a system, to derive the underlying rules that govern the behaviour of a system. Systemising also refers to the drive to construct systems. Systemising allows you to predict the behaviour of a system, and to control it. I review evidence that, on average, males spontaneously systemise to a greater degree than do females


By a ‘system’, I mean anything that takes inputs and deliver outputs. When you systemise, you use ‘if–then’ (correlation) rules. The brain focuses in on a detail or parameter of the system, and observes how this varies. That is, it treats a feature as a variable. Or a person actively manipulates this variable (hence the English word, systematically). They note the effect(s) of this one input elsewhere in the system (i.e. the output). ‘If I do x, then y happens’. Systemising therefore needs an exact eye for detail.


Systemising is an inductive process. You watch what happens each time, gathering data about an event from repeated sampling, often quantifying differences in some variables within the event and their correlation with variation in outcome. After confirming a reliable pattern of association – generating predictable results – you form a rule about how this aspect of the system works. When an exception occurs, the rule is refined or revised; otherwise, the rule is retained.

Systemising works for phenomena that are indeed ultimately lawful, finite and deterministic. The explanation is exact and its truth-value is defeasible. (e.g. ‘The light went on because switch A was in the down position’). Systemising is of almost no use, however, when it comes to predicting moment-by-moment changes in a person's behaviour. To predict human behaviour, empathising is required. Systemising and empathising are entirely different kinds of processes.

(Baron-Cohen, 2002) Not the Baron-Cohen, but his cousin.

To put in plain English, when you systemise, you find the patterns in the chaos of the world, and use these patterns to make predictions and theories. You then use these predictions and theories to help navigate the world successfully, adjusting and fine-tuning the framework you have built for yourself as you go.

As men, we are very, very good at systemising. It's what defines us from women, and what separates stupid men from smart men.

We are all capable of systemisng, some of us are better at it then most, autists take it to pathological (or savant) levels. And it's really important. Without the ability to systemise, we cannot make sense of the world, it is just way too chaotic.

Because it was the systemising autistic cavemen who first looked at the white dots in the night sky and started noticing patterns. The cavewomen were oblivious.

"I'm telling you Mom, there's patterns in them. I swear"

"No there aren't, they're all just random little dots, Ug, now stop overthinking it"

"No I swear mom, I've been watching them every single night. Look, that one there looks like a hand... and that one, a tree"

"Stop being stupid, you're just dreaming. Why can't you just go foraging like the other kids"

"But mom it might mean something! It can't just all be a coincidence... look, that one has moved since we last saw it"

"It means nothing, now stop wasting my time. -sigh- I knew I should have breastfed you"

Newton, an aspergic incel, manipulated the laws of the universe into his very own system of mathematics. Magnus Carlsson plays 10 simultaneous chess games in his head without even looking at a board.

In fact, Chess is a good way of explaining how systemising can take multiple different levels

Because while chess is a system in itself, you won't do well unless you meta-systemise the game. It's not enough to just know that the Rook is better than the Knight. To systemise chess, you start assigning points to the pieces; 1 for a pawn, 3 for a knight or bishop, 5 for a rook and so on. This isn't actually part of the game, but it's a new system you created for yourself in order to help you achieve. Take it further and start learning the optimal moves for the openings, learning which squares are important to attack, splitting the game into opening/mid/late game.

Chess, and gaming in general, is so systemised, that there's no wonder that we need two different chess leagues; One for women, and one for men. Women have literally no chance in competing with us in a systemising battle.

Game of Life

I've always been a heavy gamer. Not just video games, which I'm sure we've all overindulged in at one point; but board games, TCGs, flash-games, arcades; anything really that required me to figure out the system of the game, and beat it. I enjoyed that shit so much and still do. It's what I did a lot as a kid.

Eventually, as I grew older, I started to become more and more depressed, and more of a loser. It started to become obvious to me that sex and relationships were an important part of life, and so was money, and power... and I was losing this game, that's what was making me depressed, the realisation that I was losing.

Because a game it was. There's only one game that we all have to play, whether we want to or not, the Game of Life.

We're born into the Game of Life and we play it until we die. Some of us win the game; spreading our genes, making children, climbing the ladder and becoming more powerful than our parents were. Some of us win very well, and become CEO billionaires with harems of women. Some of us die in our moms basement with a hand around our dick and a rope around our neck.

How do these guys do it then? How did they win the game?

Well first of all, they realised that there was a game in the first place. Some people coast through their whole lives never realising that they're in fierce competition with everyone around them. They end up mediocre.

Next, they constructed systems in their life to win the game. This includes things like a strict workout schedule, good sleep habits, little time wasted not building their lives, and an autistic level of determination and willpower.

They also managed to notice systems in the world as clues to their direction: people who abuse drugs never normally turn out well, good investing is a quick way to make money, getting onto the property ladder ASAP is of utmost importance, being a pushover at work will never land you a promotion. Noticing these patterns and employing them is what helped these men win.

And importantly, they learned to split the Game of Life into it's constituent mini-games, systems in themselves. Mini-games include the Game of Health, the Game of Money, the Game of Power, and the Game of Love. (Not an exhaustive list, and we all play different minigames)

All of these have been systemised pretty well over the centuries, with philosophy, books, science, schooling etc. We've learnt what works and what doesn't, through analysis and trial-and-error, and we've passed down the information.

All of these except one however: the Game of Love.

Love, Women and the Sexual Marketplace are so wild, chaotic and unpredictable that it's been so hard for us to learn how they work, we've in the past just said "fuckit" and scrapped the game entirely and created our own; we used Marriage, Chastity, Religion and the like to help give us some control over what is otherwise a crazy sub-world of pain, hardship and unpredictability.

Well, whether you think it's a good thing or not, that structure has now collapsed, and we're back to where we were before, not understanding the enigma that is women and suffering heavily in the Game of Love because of it.

Because the winners in the Game of Love are those that can embrace its chaotic randomness and use it to aid their solipsism. The ones who ENJOY the social warfare and drama that comes with it.

So as men, we're losing, and have been for a long time. Without the ability to systemise the game of love, we're at a loss for what to do.

Except we're not anymore. We did manage to systemise the sexual marketplace.

It's called "The Red Pill".

The Red Pill is a collective effort by men to systemise the sexual marketplace into an understandable and navigable framework

Just like the old scientists and philosophers of the past, we find the patterns in our own lives, share them with others, and compare notes on what works and what doesn't. Over time, the truth rises to the top, and a system is built, with it's own philosophies (AWALT, you are the prize etc) and jargon (AF/BB, Hypergamy, etc) and leaders (Rollo/RSD etc). Sure, it's not exactly "hard science" (queue the soyboys "POST PEER REVIEWED STUDIES ELSE NOTHING YOU SAY IS CORRECT") but it doesn't need to be. Aristotle and Plato did not rigorously follow a scientific method, and they were wrong about a lot of shit, yet are still some of the most intelligent, and correct men to ever exist.

TRP is systemisation of women and sex. This is why you, as the above-average intelligence, slightly autistic beta male, are so drawn to it. This is why you love the jargon and the field reports and the theory posts. With every new post you read, you are adopting and fine-tuning a system in your head that will help you navigate the world, win the Game of Love, and ultimately, the Game of Life.

TRP is super, super important for males in today's world, because without a system of guidelines to follow, you will lose to women (who play this game like second nature and don't need help) every single time.

Count yourself lucky you stumbled across this place early, or at all. Some men never will.

The need for Empathy

Women play the Game of Life, just like us. But they play a much, much easier version.

To win the Game of Life as a woman, all you need to do is win one minigame, the Game of Love.

In fact, a woman will never be able to compete with men in any of the other minigames, they do not have the intelligence, drive, or systemising power to so. Any woman who tries to compete with men in their games quickly realises that she will never win.

But they don't need to win these games, win the Game of Love as a woman, and you've won everything else. Find yourself a provider, get yourself some good genes for your offspring (regardless if they come from the provider) and raise the kids well. Boom, you win. So much easier than having to build yourself into a machine of destruction and risk your life in the war that is the real world. That's the males job.

So, because of this, women have evolved to maximise their abilities in the sexual marketplace, sacrificing other, non essential qualities (like physical strength, high IQ etc) in order to do so.

Women min/max their abilities. Nothing matters to them except a few important skills; manipulation, deceit, devotion and support; but these all stem from the same base characteristic skill: Empathy.

Here is the definition of empathy from the article above:

‘Empathising’ is the drive to identify another person's emotions and thoughts, and to respond to these with an appropriate emotion. Empathising allows you to predict a person's behaviour, and to care about how others feel. In this article, I review evidence that on average, females spontaneously empathise to a greater degree than do males.

The female has an uncanny, almost scary ability, to empathise with the people around her. This means that not only can she feel what they feel, she can also understand their mood, their body language and their unconscious communication patterns far better than themselves.

The female, especially the high empathising female, has a superpower. She can basically read your mind without you realising it. You might think you've got good frame or pokerface, but a well adjusted female will see right through you.

We, as males, will never be able to understand just how good women are at this, we can never comprehend. Just like your girlfriend will never beat you at chess, or can't even use two thumbsticks on an Xbox controller to navigate a game character (anyone else notice this?), you will never know the mechanism for how she can always tell when you're lying, hiding something, or upset.

For all intents and purposes, women are psychic compared to men.

And it is this superpower that women are using to destroy you in the Game of Love.

Try it, take this test and see how you score. Women always score better at this kind of shit. Now this is just one test so don't take it to mean anything concrete, but it gives you a general idea to our relative abilities.

And because of this, because she can empathise and understand you so well, she can manipulate you to extents you're painfully unaware of.

And she uses this empathy, this psychic mind reading, and this manipulation, to win her game. And we're the losers, because we play with a handicap.

In order to overcome that handicap (a handicap we once had under control by limiting women's hypergamy and sexuality) the manosphere was born, and then TRP, and then the women found out. And they hated it.

Women hate TRP for these reasons:

  1. They cannot systemise the way we do, so do not understand fully the systems we create, or why we even do it. Because they empathise, they mostly see people as individuals, not as groups, and cannot make generalisations (which is important for predictive systemising) and cannot even SEE the patterns, let alone understand them. In their solipsism, their world is much smaller than ours, confined to their immediate surroundings and the people they know, hence they cannot see "the bigger picture". This is why teenage girls in europe line up to welcome the muslim "refugees" (their future rapists) into their countries; because they truly do not see them as a block of invading rapists, and instead consider each man as an individual with dreams and struggle and humanity. You cannot, and should never empathise with your enemy, because then you will never defeat him. You MUST dehumanise the enemy.

  2. They do not NEED the systems like we do. They see us writing these long-ass posts and the complicated jargon and think "wtf do these losers need to analyse all this shit for? It's not that difficult seriously". And it's true, to women, this all comes natural; they don't NEED to learn how to do it, so they have contempt for those that do. They want us to "just get it" like they do, not understanding that we don't even know what to get. We NEED to systemise to understand. Its our nature.

  3. It threatens their feminine imperative; massively. They've basically been cheating at this game up until now, covertly playing a second meta-game underneath us that we had no idea of. Now that the wool has been removed from our eyes and we're starting to learn how they work, and how to combat it, they are freaking out. They use their shaming tactics to try and bully us back into submission, because we threaten their position as winners in the game. But we know better than to give up at the slightest hint of resistance, in fact, it's the one thing that tells us we're on the right path.

The Hyper-Feminine Brain

If the autist is the hyper-masculine brain, with a pathological level of systemisation, than surely there must be a female equivalent? The author of the article posits that these women should exist, those with a hyper-feminine brain and little ability to systemise. Do these girls exist?

Of course. We call them Borderlines.

The BPD girl lives in a chaotic world with only herself at the center. There is no system for this girl, just wild erratic emotionalism. The BPD is fiercely insecure and terrified of the world because she cannot make sense of it, she cannot systemise and NEEDS men in her life to lean on in support. She sees all as individuals, and cannot generalise. This may be a noble thing, but it leads to her relationships being unpredictable and impulsive, and lots of poor decision making. She finds it very hard to abandon people, as she is terrified of abandonment herself; so will string guys along not only for her own ego, but in order to avoid hurting them. Having people be angry/disappointed/ignore her terrifies the BPD.

But the BPD makes up for all this with her superhuman levels of empathetic understanding. She feels what you feel, she "gets" you within the first few lines of conversation, her eyes, which you cannot maintain prolonged contact with lest they burn a hole in you, can see into your soul and asses you with a few seconds. She knows exactly what to say and which buttons to press, and when she fucks you.... well...

Does the BPD ever use this superpower for good?

No, she uses it to crush everyone in her path as she rises up the world and wins her Game of Life.

This is why it's so very hard to game a borderline; because there's no faking it. She will know whether you're the real deal instantly, she will see through the fake alpha pickup artist bullshit immediately. And in fact, this is the main barrier that a lot of you are facing when it comes to getting laid, and if you're going to take any thing way from this post, the next section is the most important bit.

Oversytemising and Underempathising

So when I posted a screenshot in my last post with a conversation I had with the gym girl (in order to shut up the "fake and gay" faggots) I got a lot more faggots telling me that I was beta in the conversation and that I said the wrong lines and that I shouldn't have said this and should have instead said that and bla bla bla

These people are missing a huge aspect of game and will suffer because of it. And it's not just them, there are a lot of you kids who do it too.

While TRP is the best thing that could have happened for you in terms of learning how the SMP works, and it has helped a lot of men; too many of you dogmatically follow the rules and oversystemise.

You treat the whole thing as if it's some strict game/competition with rules and guidelines that MUST be followed, and results are guaranteed should you follow the playbook correctly.

These are the guys who make a million asktrp posts asking "how do I be alpha" or will post a FR about how they did all the right things with a girl and pulled all the correct moves they learnt yet it still didn't work! "How could it not work?" They cry. "I followed the textbook perfectly"

In fact, pick up artistry is a great example of this over-sytemisation. You use the same canned lines and routines and repeat over and over, hoping you will eventually get a hit.

But there's a reason women find pick-up artistry or spergy TRP betas gross and offputting. In fact I do to.


Remember, women are PSYCHIC. When you open a girl, she will be able to tell instantly, from subtle queues you didn't even know you were giving off, whether you're the real deal or not.

She will see past the fake frame.

She will notice the lines you rehearsed in the mirror.

She will see your nerves and your pedestalisation of her. It might not be obvious to you, you think you're hiding it well, but it's clear as day for this bitch.

And more importantly, she will see instantly that you are not treating her like a human and instead seeing her only as a sex object.

And this makes her hate you more than anything.

Because if you're using canned lines on a girl, or being super-forward, or putting on a fucking act like a jester, what you're doing is ignoring the actual person in front of you and are seeing her as just a vagina to be won.

In your inability to empathise properly, you have removed all traces of humanity from her.

No girl wants to feel like a fucktoy to be used.

No girl will fuck a guy who considers her meat.

No girl can respect a guy who only sees her for her sexual value.

And she will see it, I guarantee it. You are less subtle than you think, she will see it in your eyes.

Law 48: Assume Formlessness

When you oversystemise, you will become way too rigid in your approach. She is not a machine where, if you press the right buttons and say the right things, she will yield. If only it was that easy.

Sometimes, even though a Rook is worth more than a Knight, the right play is to make the trade. Adjust your game for every girl, remain fluid and adaptable. Do not dogmatically follow rules.

From the article:

Systemising is of almost no use, however, when it comes to predicting moment-by-moment changes in a person's behaviour. To predict human behaviour, empathising is required. Systemising and empathising are entirely different kinds of processes.

While TRP is great and all for everything outside of the physical interaction (building frame, learning to lift, gaining stoicism, picking up IOIs), it will not help you during the actual conversations you have with girls. You do not have time to analyse everything she says or read her behaviour moment-by-moment. For that you need empathy.

You want to game a girl properly? First you gotta treat her like a real person. Learn to EMPATHISE.

Now, before the snowflakes and landwhales on TBP start joyfully masturbating, no this does not mean I've suddenly converted. I still think women are stupid children, and the TRP system is still incredibly correct and accurate for predicting and understanding female behaviour. But children deserve respect too.

I won't take credit for the next line because I read it somewhere on this subreddit, but paraphrased, the really good advice is this:

"When you meet a girl and she's giving you the bitch shields and shit tests, don't get too fazed; just try and imagine the little girl behind the makeup and push up bra. The dorky girl with the glasses sitting around the Christmas tree with her family opening presents."

Empathise with the girl and try and imagine what she's going through/thinking/feeling at this moment. Sure, it won't be easy and we don't have the natural skills women do, but it's still a skill that can be learnt. Consider her age and where she's from, and how rich her life must be; full of experiences and happiness and hardships that have shaped her into the being you see in front of you. A whole other human with a whole other inner voice.

When you do this, when you start embodying this ethos, seeing people for the humans they are (instead of objects to be used/fucked), it will seep out of your pores and the women will smell it. They will see it in your eyes, they will know you are the real thing; that unicorn of a man who "just gets it".

And you will stop needing to follow the dogmatic strict rules you were using before, because then the game will just come naturally. You will be able to talk to the girl without getting nervous, you won't have to think of witty things to say, the whole dynamic will feel organic and normal; for her, "it just happened".

You need to first befriend the girl. This is important. She won't fuck you if she can't see herself spending nonsexual time with you and still having a good time. If you don't "click" as friends, sex isn't happening.

And once again, she will notice if you're unable to see her humanity.

The guys who get laid, a lot, and with high-tier women, are the guys who are able to connect with women on this level. When you see a ugly guy with a 10 on his arm, I guarantee you it's not just frame and money that got him the girl, but the connection they have that isn't visible on the outside.

And girls need this connection. They CRAVE it like we crave pussy. And so they will settle for below average looks guys who treat them like real sentient beings if other options don't exist.

People ask me all the time "Heathcliff, how do you do so well with women?", "Heathcliff, why are your posts so interesting and entertaining to read?", "Heathcliff, why is your penis so large?".

I'll tell you why. As a child born from a stoic, math-genius engineer father and his BPD trophy Wife, I have both superpowers, hyper-systemisation and hyper-empathy. BPD is 60% inheritable, and while it may not manifest as often in males (its basically a female disease), I'm almost certain I got a lot of the characteristics.

I can autistically systemise, too much sometimes, but enough that I can pick out shit-tests and push through LMR and see the structures of the SMP. Enough so that I can pull out condensed and potent theory and analysis from my extreme-male mind and present it for all you to learn from.

But I also over-empathise too. I second hand cringe when I see people embarrass themselves... and then 2 weeks later I remember the event and cringe again... FOR THEM.

I understand women on a personal and emotional level, and so have no problem gaming them. Sure I fail a lot too, but that's the price of success.

And I understand you betas well enough that I can write appealing, entertaining and emotional posts that will keep you reading right till the end, I know what you want.

Practice your empathising power. I'm sure you're all very good at creating systems and using them to help achieve success, but if you can master BOTH skills, you will be, quite literally, unstoppable.

[–]huge_gap 1 points1 points [recovered]

What the fuck did I just read.

[–]dontbethatguynow 1 points1 points [recovered]

It apparntly it takes someone with autism multiple walls of text just to say "i have autism"

[–]Run_Che 13 points14 points  (0 children)

i like it

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

The higher man sacrifices his time to create value for the world.

The slave herd laughs at him and complains it is too long and complicated.

[–]JE_12 11 points12 points  (7 children)

It’s not about that, it’s the unnecessary length to prove a point/tell a story. No one would be watching movies if they were 8 hours long and kept telling the same information

[–]SFX_Bladerunner 6 points7 points  (2 children)

This might be an inherent autistic trait?...

I have (clinically diganosed) Asperger and my colleagues are always complaining that the e-mails I send are too long.

I feel like I write long e-mails because I do not want there to be any ambiguity in what I was trying to convey. I want it to be interpreted correctly and completely.

This is also why I always hated doing tests that normies made (i.e. teachers) because I would be constantly cringing at the ambiguity of their questions. They wrote their questions under the assumption that people who payed attention in classes for even 25% of the time would know full well what they meant. And that, I guess, is fine. But that is not how I as an Aspie read questions..

[–]lifestuff69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are unnecessarily detailing the thought process behind everything in an email this could be related to an inherent autistic trait, but I think this has more to do with organizational culture and personal preferences. While most of my emails are short and concise, people have said the same thing about some of my emails. That said, I pointed out to my boss (and his boss):

  1. I work in IT, and if I don't put every single step in an instructional email (no matter how seemingly obvious), I will get calls or complaints because people are confused. Some people hate some of my emails because they are too long, and others come up to me and thank me for how detailed they were and easy to follow. Some people are more computer-literate than others, and in my experience longer emails are sometimes necessary to ensure everyone is covered.
  2. Putting everything relevant in an email covers my ass, and I can reference it later if someone claims I left something out or never communicated something.
  3. People don't actually read most emails from my department, anyway, so as long as some people are being helped and my ass is covered I don't really care what others think.

One of the things I have done as a "compromise" is write tutorials with screenshots, put them in a folder on a drive everyone has access to, and reference the tutorial's purpose and location in the email.

[–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"What is the strongest force on earth?"

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

Which bits do you think are superfluous? I like to think that each section is important and adds new value to the post, and some posts can't avoid being long if all the information is relevant and connected; but I'm aware that I repeat myself, I think out of the assumption that my readerbase need more help than they actually do to reach the conclusions. I should stop assuming stupidity and maybe give the userbase some credit (although that's hard when you get retard comments on your posts all day).

I guess this is why authors need editors, it's hard to cull your own work, someone else is always better at it.

[–]ticklethegooch1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the length is only a problem because it is flagged as a post and not an article/study/short story/book. Lots of people can pull through those writings without complaining, "wtf, it is soooo long" but do so when they want a snake oil post.

Of course, your post is meta and therefore it needs little more thinking to create context (systemizing) and also points out a hole in TRP-Information (being TRP with BP abilities as an optimal gameplan) and in TRP members itself.

Anyway, if at all, I would just put different headers in your text and make different transitions from one section to another to make it "more appealing".

As far as the content goes, this post is more of an advanced guide for TRP community as to a still entirely BP member. I am just a noob myself As a reader, if you try to balance between TRP and BP thinking as an optimal game strategy, as you advocated it, how do you know where that point is if it is relative to the two extremes? First, you have to get lost in the systemizing TRP ideology and only after that you know where the middle way is located.

As far as your model goes, I can't criticize much because it seems you have much more experience than I do and maybe more observing abilities too? But your information strikes a chord with me and I am willing to test your model's of identification and strategy.

Thank you for your input!

[–]lifestuff69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would rather see a few long posts with substance than a horde of shorter ones demonstrating general ignorance of TRP and the sidebar.

I enjoyed this post, thank you.

[–]BornShook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing can get through to retards. But there are plenty of smart people who are still pretty clueless. I find the best way to give people advice is to tell them as if Im giving advice to my former self.

I was just giving relationship advice to one of my long time friends, and I really feel like I may have struck a chord with him. I told him that he has to have more control over his relationship, and told him he shouldnt be afraid to end it if he doesnt like the way its going. I was able to relate to his situation. I told him exactly what I wish I had heard when I was in a oneitis relationship a few years back. I didnt assume he was stupid, rather that he just hasnt yet made the same reakizations that i had yet.

[–]BornShook 1 point2 points  (7 children)

This is how I feel everytime I make a post here that gets downvoted into oblivion within 5 minutes, but alright.

[–]dthlist 0 points1 point  (6 children)

You have trash nofap posts though.

[–]BornShook 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Ok. I have litterally one nofap post, its a stupid meme with like 1.5k

[–]dthlist 0 points1 point  (4 children)

you have no trp posts, so i cant even know if you were downvoted for legitimate reasons or not. Why not leave the posts up? even endorsed contributes get down voted often.

And only losers shitpost on the nofap sub.

[–]BornShook 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Says the guy checking my post history for no good reason.

[–]dthlist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

you said your posts were downvoted wrongly, i checked to comfirm. No need to get upset, i was just seeing if you had a point or not.

[–]BornShook 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nobody is upset about anything here. This is reddit. I really couldnt give less of a fuck. But thanks for doing a backround check.

[–]RedHoodhandles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The higher man sacrifices his time to create value for HIS world.

[–]Throwawaysteve123456 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ignore these losers complaining because they can't read a few pages in a row because they have the attention span of a goldfish. Fuck, an entire generation of people reading one line texts on their cell phones and this is the result. Great read.

[–]shnykeez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You may have the best material on this sub OP... Guess we will never know. It's a shame so few people will be able to use as you chose to dump it all here in a single post. This 25 page wall of text is the very definition of TL;DR.

[–]SpaceEnthusiast 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Marvelous post, my man. It can create a lot of discussion.

You deal in quite a few absolutes, but the world is more nuanced than that. One big thing that people conflate a lot is something along the lines of "Men, on average, have better abilities at X than women" to mean that "Most men are better at X than women", which is wrong. There is quite a significant overlap between the two distributions of "skill at X" for each gender. Unless you are at the tail end of the distribution (for example, have the intelligence to pursue mathematics or physics), there will be PLENTY of women that are higher up on the distribution. It's only at the tail ends that these differences become pronounced enough.

So what you're saying can be rewritten a bit to say something more along the lines of "The best men at X seriously outclass the best women at X", and it would be true. For example, there are plenty of women that would slaughter most men in this sub in activities like chess or other systemizing. But the best men at systemizing are quite a bit better than their female counterparts.

RE: Oversystemizing

This is a broader phenomenon present in ALL activities that you can learn and improve in. A newbie at activity X will have to learn a lot of little skills Y at a high enough level to be successful at X, measured by how good they are compared to other individuals. How do you learn a little skill Y? You hold it in your conscious mind while you practice X or even sometimes skill Y itself. That's difficult to do and takes a lot of mental power. However, with practice, you internalize Y and it becomes automatic.

Therefore we can even define oversystemizing as having too many skills Y to work on at one point in time. The mental load is too great and your abilities suffer. This is what happens in this "Game of X", where X can be Life or Love or whatever. It's difficult at first, because we want to consume all the information we can, and we want to hold it in our minds while we talk to that chick. Yea. No bueno.

Just talk to any natural that is good with women. They've internalized so many little skills Y that they are really good. Watching a natural in action with a woman is similar to watching an expert pianist in action. Another thing they have in common is that they've practiced from a young age. Show me a natural and I'll tell you that he probably practiced pick up since he was a little boy. Of course, he didn't think of it as pick up. "I'm just talking to girls, man". And he didn't think of it as practice either. But I guarantee he has his "10000 hours". That's why you, at 30, practicing talking to girls for the first time, would look autistic. You're in the mental overload stage that the 8 year old boy has already been through.

It's the same with being "alpha". Starting out as "beta", you are likely to have a huge increase in understanding right off the bat, but your skills will actually SUFFER as you transition towards becoming more "alpha". You have too much information at your disposal and too little "practice" at the little skills involved.

And what is empathizing? Well, it's the thing we do when we don't THINK. Instead, we feel. If we let our brains quiet, and observe and feel, bam, we'd have empathy. But that's not easy. Empathizing is what it looks like when you're already past the oversystemizing stage.

With all this in mind, I'd say there are two red pills. There's the one you take and become awakened. But then there is the very very slow and very very large pill to swallow in terms of being "skilled" at being "red pill". It's more like having a liquid drink that takes months/years to ingest.

[–]Fyrjefe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a great digest of Heathcliff's post. I enjoyed reading both of you guys and I think at the bottom of it all is you can't just look, you must also observe. And developing skills takes our whole humanity, not just one aspect of it. So, get out of your head and work these things into your reflex and muscle memory! I shake my head at the above posts reducing it all to hamstering and settling into beta traits. If you let your emotions rule you, you end up acting beta, but development of emotional intelligence is just another tool along with the many others. Again, good post.

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

Spot on, took my post much further than I could. Thanks.

[–]SpaceEnthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks man. As I said, good discussion!

[–]fullspeedornothing- 1 points1 points [recovered]

Solid post. Not A+ but would read / skim thoroughly again.

Am I the only one who really enjoys just being without thought when with women? Like, there's no inner monologue, there's only that growing attraction. The internal engine of "turned-on-ness" purring. And I ride that wave.

Maybe I have a more female brain than a lot of you here. I just sense there is so much over-thinking and being stuck inside your on heads there is.

I think the truth is that women and men are a LOT more similar than you all give credit for. It's just that testosterone is a massive amplifier of certain traits and we have something like 20-30x more of it. Example: some girls are also way in their heads. Some girls can plan ahead with multi-year careers and body-appearance goals. Some guys are smooth as fuck, some girls are smooth as fuck.

Try to get out of your head. Thoughts are a great slave, not a great master. The real rider of the wagon is the heart.

Maybe I'm bullshitting here, maybe it's true.

[–]BurnieSlander 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of a movie where everyone finally asks the Chad “how do you get all those women??” and he says “I just sit there.. don’t say a thing .. and when the tension becomes unbearable, I just say well how bout it then?

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3 117 points118 points  (13 children)

No girl wants to feel like a fucktoy to be used.

I beg to differ. Girls will tell you to use them.

No girl will fuck a guy who considers her meat or No girl can respect a guy who only sees her for her sexual value.

really? doubtful...girl know this deep down and many man treat and fuck women precisely this way.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Agreed.. Source: Live in New York City land of decadent sluts lol

[–]CharCanDo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

IMO better phrase would have been that no girl wants to THINK they are a fuck toy. They are fine with feeling like it because they can enjoy feelings without context.

[–]Heathcliff-- -1 points-1 points [recovered]

She wants to be your fucktoy but not a fucktoy. When you're first gaming her she hasn't decided whether she'll allow herself to be, but if you treat her like she already is, she won't want to.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You guys, this comment isn't saying anything about commitment, but about dominance.

[–]2Dmva100 28 points29 points  (7 children)

This is BP cuckery and suggests committment to remove the sexual objectivity. She's still a fucktoy, even if she's 'your' fucktoy, which she ain't because it's only your turn.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 30 points31 points  (1 child)

'because it's only your turn' This dont support your claim because op look from her point of view. He says "she should not feel being fuck toy fast, go slow in this area". He knows he is only his turn, she doesnt.

Edit: I dont defend op's idea. But you argue badly.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Women want to be acknowledged for their sexuality and beauty, not reduced solely to it.

Same with women with Huge tits / asses. They know they have huge tits, they know the majority of men love huge tits/asses, and they love how crazy it drives men to see their huge tits / asses. But if you walk up to them with "Damn you got some amazing tits." Your gonna be smacked. Doesn't matter how ripped or rich you are.

But when you get intimate with a woman like that it's non stop:

"Cum on my huge tits baby" , "God I love how turned on you get playing with my huge tits." , "Fuck my huge tits baby." etc.

[–]fridgefucker12 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Eh, I've opened a chick with "great cleavage" before with positive results. There's always an exception.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I personally find that exception is usually women who just got their enhancement and are still loving the validation bump. Women will very large natural breasts, or ones that have had big bolt ons for a while tend to have been creeped on by enough men to automatically get defensive about it.

Your mileage my vary.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

not reduced solely to it.

Thats all they are though...its feminist soical conditioning that tells them they shouldnt be

[–]cornerofficemouth 41 points42 points  (8 children)

Not sure I was ready to read this before today. Hit me with a "when the student is ready, the master will appear" clarity.

Dialing in more empathy is one of the final frontiers for me. In the past, when I've spoken to people, I haven't sufficiently considered where they were at in that moment, or where they were coming from. This truly put me at a disadvantage in these conversations since it forced me to rely on logic/explanation to get my points across, when emotional connection would have been a smarter, more efficient tactic.

I can see the many ways this balance can be used in machiavellian ways to achieve certain goals once you move beyond the basic understanding.

Thanks for the post.

[–]SeamusAwl 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Yeah, dialing in more empathy is extremely difficult if you don't care and don't have any to begin with.

[–]cornerofficemouth 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I bet. I'd probably categorize myself as a high-functioning autist. My empathy tank is shallow, but I do have one to start with.

For an autistic fuck like me, empathy will only ever be a tool, at best. Like a car.

You can choose to value this tool more than others do, and more than other tools you may have. Or, you can just keep it in the garage, next to the lawnmower and the chainsaw, until you need to go somewhere. Useful tool when you need it. You'd never want to walk a very long distance when a car would be more practical.

I'm learning that the same is true with empathy.

Useful tool when you need it.

[–]markdumte 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I don't know if this will be useful for you, I'm not autistic, but my emotional development was stunted for other reasons.

What worked for me was to go into conversations, drop off my logical capacity, that is not analyzing what is being said, and just respond whatever I felt like saying it. Literally, just say it, don't analyze. Just get on the flow of the conversation and participate without caring about the validity or logic of the content. At first, my reactions were very bad, my guess is for lack of training of my emotional system, so yours will probably be too. You might want to practice outside your usual social circle because you'll come up as weird, at least I did.

But very quick my brain got used to go with the flow and feel the conversation, and I started to do better. I was putting very little mental effort into the conversation and they were flowing. It felt like magic at the moment.

But for that to happen, my logical side had to take a step back and allow my emotional side to fail until it learnt. The brain learns by doing. Thinking is fine, but the brain mostly changes by doing. Until you don't let the emotional side take control and say whatever the fuck it wants to say without the logical filter, it will not learn.

So that's what I did. It might work for you. And let me tell you, the emotional side is very good at what it was designed for. It is very energy efficient for the shit is good at, you can socialize very effectively and feel very relax and not fatigued at all because your brain is just surfing it. Its a great skill to have.

[–]yuval1 1 points1 points [recovered]

This sounds really interesting. I want to try this but was wondering if you could say anything more about it? It's possible there is nothing more to say about it and that I just need to try it, but if you can think of any helpful advice or examples or anecdotes or anything, I'd love to hear it. Thanks man.

[–]markdumte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what more to tell you. What was difficult first was really shut down the filter and just say whatever. You are worried about saying something very weird and don't let go. But once you accept you need to go through it because otherwise your emotional system will never learn, that you will fuck up several times, it gets easier to let go. And after the weird, it gets fun quick.

[–]returnofthequack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. 100%.

Really resonates, amazing read. Thanks.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see the many ways this balance can be used in machiavellian ways to achieve certain goals

Yeah or maybe its just a reminder that they are people, too, and that everyone should chill out, treat them as an actual human, and chill the fuck out. Theyre not goddesses. And then fuck em silly.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dialing in more empathy is one of the final frontiers for me.

LOL...or you can be like me and not give a fuck what she feels and just learn to know what is expected in a certain moment and act accordingly to get laid

[–]SoulRedemption 33 points34 points  (5 children)

I get the feeling people now-a-days use the word autism in a very generic way. "Autism" is now a buzz word. I'm thinking half then people who think they are autistic or borderline autistic are probably not. People tend to call "social awkwardness", autistic.

[–]dontbethatguynow 1 points1 points [recovered]

Just like its cool to be trans, now its cool to be autistic. So edgy.

[–]Oppressions 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Truth. It's often an excuse for not being or doing better.

[–]StickguyMB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People will take any everyday behavior and use it to call one single poor kid autistic and then they will have to have their life changed and ruined because of that label.

[–]SKRedPill 12 points13 points  (0 children)

TL : DR :

Extreme Male Mind - Inhuman

Extreme Female Mind - Insane

[–]TunedtoPerfection 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This whole post explains why women idealize "being treated like one of the guys." When you can treat the women you meet in line like you would any other guy, that is when all of this "game" becomes effortless.

Treat her like a human and forge that connection and the sex will come. Yes you have to lead every step of the way, yes you will have to make it sexual by taking those risks, and yes you'll never truly be able to confide in her like you would a close male friend. But not everything from the initial meet up HAS to be able fucking or sex. Sometimes the best way to a girls heart (and vagina) is just recognizing it's more fun to eat your lunch with someone else then it is alone and inviting her to sit with you for the hour.

[–]reddishworm 8 points9 points  (0 children)


People are going to notice you're regurgitating the scripts you've learnt in front of your mirror.

Use emotion in your interactions.

if(emotion && attraction)
else {
  return monk_mode_read_more();

[–]Run_Che 5 points6 points  (4 children)

"Your score is 25 out of 36". On social intelligence test. How did others do?

It says Your score is equal or better than 36% of all participants. Seems low percentage for what seemed good overall score. Wish it could divide that for male/female.

[–]huge_gap 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I got 28/36 said I did better than 64%

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your score is 30 out of 36. Your score is equal or better than 82% of all participants.

[–]OnlyCuriosity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

31/36, better than 89% for me

[–]PM_ME_CASH 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OP confirmed faggot, has bit of Milo in him.

[–]jtedd92 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I am the lurker of all lurkers, rarely commenting, (need to improve that) but you have stirred me to post. This is the best post I have come across on TRP and you just connected so many things for me, quite literally cleared the fog in my mind. I thank you from the depths of my soul.

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thanks man, this shit is what I write for.

[–]B1k3_Ch41n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm going to save this or might even take a printout of it. Hats off to your incredible insights!! 👍

[–]Snowiceolated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

+1 Completely agreed. Not much else needs to be said.

[–]MT_Pede 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This post really resonates with me as I do 10x better with women when I discard all expectations and just HAPPEN to interact with them when my mind isn’t considering a sexual context. Like when I go to a party FOR ME to have fun on MY OWN TERMS, that’s when women fall in my lap.

On the other hand, when I go in with expectations, or even hopes of a lay, the battle immediately shifts into a far more uphill perspective.

[–]AlQWEffos239 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Man I just tearing up, this the best post I have every read on red pill. So much knowledge provided in one post thank you for taking time out of your day to educate us noobs ( 6 months).

[–]Iwannachokekatie 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Besides some points that bother me a lot (like the "model with an ugly dude" meme and "no woman wants to be seen as a cumrag-steak") this all makes a lot of sense to me.

I had a 75% score on that test yet I still feel autistic in my inability to actually connect with people and see them as human. Guess I got something to work at.

[–]Marcus1138 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Heck, I got a 94% and I also feel like I suck at judging emotions. Something we can all work on I think.

[–]SpaceEnthusiast 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I got 34/36 too. Even though I got so many correct, I didn't feel like I really GOT them correct. I was unsure on a lot of them and went with my gut feeling. Some of them I "got" instantly, while others took a while to contemplate which word describes them best.

I'd venture a guess that the longer it takes you, the more difficulties you'd have in judging emotions in real life. That's because faces change very quickly.

Another reason might be that you are simply not looking people in the eyes enough, so you are actually disconnected from them.

[–]Marcus1138 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The women were especially hard to judge I found. I thought I was wrong because all but a couple were playful/interested/flirtatious or whatever, but it ended up being mostly right I suppose.

Not sure why there wasn't more variation on that - it's easy enough to always assume that girls are into you, would be a better indicator if they had some normal emotions.

[–]SpaceEnthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is big overlap between the results of typical adults and adults with Asperger Syndrome.

^ This is from the History portion of the text after you get your scores.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Guess I got something to work at.

Or you can not give a fuck and just "systematize" social conventions and expectations, recognize the patterns and act accordingly when you need to

[–]Iwannachokekatie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The whole point of the post is that what you recommend just isn't possible. If it was there would be no reason why autistic people would be so socially retarded.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Autistic people are good at systematizing. Not all autistic people realize this can be done.

[–]_JustASnowFlake_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So when a systemised guy sees a chaotic girl he does two things:

1) Captain save a hoe (seeing her as a purpose instead of what she is)

2) Is attracted to her because he is lacking in the empath department and a fast way to obtain this lackment is to "posess" it through her.

A streetwise girl will see through this as you stated and use the fuck out of this guy while looking for the better branch to swing. He thinks he is saving her while getting that amazing sex but then is confused as to why she left/cheated/etc.

To start learning "empathy", read body language books (there is a body language for dummies book). From there, you take that into the field and watch. Once you get comfortable "reading" people, you get confident and come across as you "get it".

[–]TheEnglishman28 19 points20 points  (23 children)

This post is way too long, being a little more laconic would be a better way to get your point across.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 39 points40 points  (15 children)

Really? I find it perfect in tone.

Telling an aspie to learn how to be a normal, empathic human being, by creating a system, lay out all the variables, and end with a call to action.

It's exactly what an aspie would need to read.

Though I've found narcissism thrown around as the oppositte of borderlines. the idea of autism replacing narcissism as the male behaviour amped to 11 is new to me

[–]upyoars 8 points9 points  (6 children)

What about someone with Aspies and ADD? Can't keep track of variables and rules and shit if your memory/concentration capacity is shit.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

ADD correlates with lack of physical activity.

It's not a disease, it's a housecat. My dog gets ADD if it's too cold to take him for a walk

[–]SpaceEnthusiast 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Quit your bullshit

On a side-note, ADD is now known as ADHD-I, that is, ADHD of Inatentive type. There are two other ADHD subtypes. And "lack of physical activity" is definitely not the cause.

Here is the whole 3 hour lecture. It's actually a really good watch if you or people you know are affected by ADHD.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for posting this, I was needing to catch up with some education on adhd and this came at the right time.

[–]Schhwing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah narcissism is definitely the male equivalent of BPD. Narcissism is a personality disorder anyway.

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

The Narcissist/Borderline pairing is as common as PB and J, and yes I've also heard and considered the Narcissist as the hyper-male.

I think it's more likely that you have or need both. I have been described, to my face before, as autistically narcissistic.

Regardless, who knows if these diagnoses even actually exist: they're probably just fancy jargon names for different archetypes of people. We definitely had autists and borderlines and narcissists before the 20th century, we just didn't call them that.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Regardless, who knows if these diagnoses even actually exist: they're probably just fancy jargon names for different archetypes of people.

A condition is diagnosed to the unsuccessful ones only. You succeed in staging a false flag operation and, from behind your desk, send a lot of troops to a foreign country, getting 100,000 people killed on the whole?

No psychiatrist, and no DSM (IV, V, or X) is ever going to say you are sick.

You, in a fit of rage, throw a stone at your neighbour and kill her/him, ending up serving a 20 year term?

They'll diagnose you any sort of condition.

Psychiatrists just record power hierarchies, call "sane" what's high in the power chain, and "sick" what's at the bottom, defeated.

They are not the only ones. Everyone who wants their space and role within society plays the same game.

(Other examples, historians. Who gets defeated in a war is always "evil", the winners are the good ones, and those who fought motivated by the best, moral of course, purposes).

[–]ImHerWonderland 0 points1 point  (3 children)

There is a website by a woman, and one of the main articles is haven't we met before? And it describes the borderline and narcissist relationship to a t. I personally don't see myself as a narcissist, however, I checked every single box in her writeup, and every so for box for the causes of narcissism, so who knows. Definitely worth a look if you haven't taken one already.

[–]monadyne 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How about a link, or some way to find that article, that woman, or her website?

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

[–]Oscar_Cc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about being schizoid? I have been told I might have it. Do you know something about it by chance? Thanks.

[–]BillyBones8 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its not his fault, he is autistic.

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

Long posts act as a filter. The men serious about improving themseleves and who notice a high value post/poster will take the time to read and finish the article. Thus they learn and internalise.

For them, TRP is not just another subreddit to pass the time pn

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is everything that i unlearned when i first got to TRP. Being friends, empathising, its all very unsexual and leads to the friendzone.

Wheres the polarisation? Pushing her to be sexual otherwise you have better things to do?

Maybe you can have such a point of view because you have high SMV/looks. The same with the chad dudes you talk about. The sex aspect will always be there if you want it, with most women.

[–]VoxVirilis 15 points16 points  (0 children)

maybe I have a bit too much Milo in me

Some /u/GayLubeOil might help with that.

I can write appealing, entertaining and emotional posts that will keep you reading right till the end, I know what you want.

Goddamnit. Good shit man.

Seems like the extreme male brain theory of autism might serve as a kind of bridge between modern, scientific psychology and the older "Jungian Archetypal" psychology. If the "divine masculine principle" is something akin to "articulating habitable order out of chaos"; well that sounds an awful lot like "systemising". An autistic guy "underempathising" sounds like neglected Anima.

[–]Ezaar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This post is scary to consider at face value given the content and information provided from nature.

I am happy that examples are provided and the examples are felt when considered on an empathic level.

You thoroughly brain fucked me in this.

Thank you for sharing.

Nature is dark, you must create light.

[–]redd_reality 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The reason us autistic beta males probably wouldn't figure out the smp on our own, is because we were raised to believe human beings were not capable of such Machiavellian deception.

Once you swallow trp and realize war, violence, raping and pillaging simply shifted from the overt to the covert a few thousand years ago, it makes perfect sense.

Adopting the 48 laws of power into your world view reduces much of the world's chaos into a predictable, manageable system.

[–]randarrow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude, include a TL;DR next time.

Your conjecture about empathy/systemization/masculine/feminine are out of date.

Some recent theories suggest that women are just as likely to be autistic, they are simply less likely to be noticed as such because of the additional support they get and it manifests differently. EG: Eating disorders in girls are now considered a sign of autism, because they don't fit in socially they obsess and systemize their diet and appearance in a strange attempt to be liked. Five bucks says most strippers are autistic.

[–]strikethrough123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You lost me at "women are psychic". What the fuck?

No they aren't. When you watch a movie, you can't see that the good actor is in fact not the character he is playing. Just like in a movie, you can own any character.

The bit that begin with "women are psychic" completely contradicts law 48. Assuming formlessness is about tweaking your personality and actions to adapt to certain situations.

"No girl will respect a guy who only sees her for her sexual value". This is horseshit. Women know they have no intrinsic value beyond their sexual value. There are exceptions, yes, but why do you think women wear skimpy clothes and get boob jobs? Because they're so damn smart?

[–]CharCanDo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reading through: in the “oversystemizing and underempathizing” section, I have an observation.

This may be why women express genuine interest at first when you are just “figuring out” the SMP and then fall off. Because that empathy, or emotional connection from a genuinely worthy man is a hard thing to obtain as it must be deserved. In a way, seeing women as “vaginas” in general is kind of an internalization of AWALT. I mean this in the most figurative possible sense, essentially a good man doesn’t throw his feelings and empathy at every vagina attached to a nice face and slim waist.

And the spergy “never be emotional or empathetic” thing works for a bit. Until you respond to something that isn’t a shit test like it’s a shit test and come off like a weirdo.

[–]Schhwing 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I like this post. You remind me of myself.

To those saying that it’s not red pill, I think you are correct. It emphasises “empathy” which isn’t traditionally a red pill idea. “Hate women” is probably just as popular an idea here. However, that attitude will not win you women or life. It’s results that matter, no? And the guys that pick up women do not hate women, they see them realistically, warts and all.

Being a macho monkey is one way to be a man, being a smooth communicator is another. Find your way. I would reckon the smooth communicator would pick up more girls than the macho monkey though. Whether that man would get as much bro-respect is another question. Again, depends on your goals.

Obviously the middle path works, which I think this post is getting at.

[–]monadyne 3 points4 points  (2 children)

What's not red pill about this post and all the discussion is... all these people Giving A Fuck about what women are like and how they operate and what they react to favorably so you can be with them and fuck them and whatever. Why are women so important to you people? Who gives a shit what they think/want/do? I should think the primary goal of the red pill man is to discover his authentic self, then operate authentically in the world.

[–]Schhwing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree this is a good goal. When you disregard how people judge you, you can actually do what you want. However, connecting with people requires some empathy (putting yourself in their shoes). And as connecting with people is essential for social and sexual reasons, empathy is important. And it makes you feel good. Key - you can empathise with someone while still being independent and uncaring of their judgement.

[–]ninoamatore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And more importantly, she will see instantly that you are not treating her like a human and instead seeing her only as a sex object. And this makes her hate you more than anything.

There are many women who will enjoy that, not hate. They are the best women, if you ask me. They enjoy being sex objects for a strong man.

[–]Razkolol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And girls need this connection. They CRAVE it like we crave pussy. And so they will settle for below average looks guys who treat them like real sentient beings if other options don't exist.

Post was solid until you turned blue pill on us at the end. Stop going against proven trp principles, awalt, it's just your turn, no amount of connection is going to beat status/money/looks/game. Connection doesn't stop hypergamy. This shit is the core of blue pill "nothing happens unless there's a connection", I'm sure they're building some deep connection with Chad during a 15 mins talk at a party before fucking. Those blue pill traits that you're talking about work for you because your smv is high enough (i've read your post about approaching girls at the gym, so i'm guessing you're an advanced lifter). Sure, if you're high smv this stuff works, you can even write them poems they will still like you, but for average guys this shit will not work. Low smv guys with 9-10s are disasters waiting to happen for the guy, women date up, never down, no amount of connection is going to change thousands of years of genetic programming. Sure, act like you give a shit, but don't go blue pill on them, (i scored 34/36 on that test, maybe that shit helps me coming across like i give a shit, who knows). Connection is how you lose the game, it's the first step to oneitis. The women are psychic and want connection, "see right trough you" / " don't want to be treated like sluts" etc. part really annoyed me because you're putting them on a pedestal. They are human, humans like fucking, sure, connection could be nice, so is fucking.

You should not focus on what they are thinking, focus on what they're feeling, and the only thing they should be feeling is attraction for you, if not you'll become that emphatic blue pill guy who she goes crying to when Chad doesn't call back.

[–]ChocolateHead 1 point2 points  (3 children)

In fact, a woman will never be able to compete with men in any of the other minigames, they do not have the intelligence, drive, or systemising power to so. Any woman who tries to compete with men in their games quickly realises that she will never win.

Except for the fact that women are kicking men's ass in practically every career in 2018.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 0 points1 point  (2 children)


I can't think of many fields where women beat out men without receiving special treatment, the exceptions being early childhood education and nursing. And men are slowly catching up in the latter.

[–]ChocolateHead 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you kidding me? Women are killing men in school, they are getting more professional jobs than men, and this is all without affirmative action. There is no more affirmative action for women, now there is affirmative action for men.



[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women are killing men in school There is no more affirmative action for women, now there is affirmative action for men.

Have you ever even set foot into a STEM program? There are literally on campus events and scholarships that are for women only.

This isn't even to do with all the recruiting emails that have "we encourage women and minorities to apply" on the bottom.

And it would do you some good to actually read the studies you cite.


All I see here is that more women than men enroll in college; that says nothing about academic performance.


Let's ignore the fact that this study is from almost ten years ago; am I missing something? I'm an engineer, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't up to par. But even the pretty picture included in the study shows that men on average earn more than women.

The exception, as I said, is:

Professional women were more likely to work in the education and health care occupations in which pay was generally lower.

Yeah, women are really killing it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the best TRP post I have read all of 2018.


DAD: Dark Triad AF

Me: Someone who sounds alot like how you described always being a little different at the beginning.

I personally feel I have the same fucked up perfect storm that you described. Much like when you first read TRP and have that feeling that you already knew all this shit. I haven't felt that in a while.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great article, lots of insights.

A great deal of the "chaos" around women disappears when a man understands the basic fact about women, that they are incapable of loving a man. It is precisely this fact that makes game so hard: you need to connect with her "humanity", while, at the same time, she is incapable of seeing you as a human being. Female empathy is, essentially, a psychopaths empathy: a weapon towards her own interests, at the expense of yours.

I would propose that men's smaller capacity for empathy is related to their larger capacity to systematize in this way: being able to see the greater connections in society, if men empathized more, it would require of them to act in order to fix things, because (most) men lack the psychopathic viewpoint of the female. And that is overly taxing and not a sustainable life practice. Schematically, instead of feeling the pain of others and being powerless to change it, men don't feel it at all.

In that regard, I see the view that "everyone is against everyone", which is at the core of one of the two big philosophical theories of the world, as a victory of the female, and an ideological capitulation of the male. It is the "Lets you and him fight" female game (from Berne's "Game people play") expanded around the world. There are. of course, no scarce resources to be shared on this planet. All scarcity that exists is negligible before the scarcity of pussy, a reality put forth by females and their allies at the system's core.

In practical terms, we need to win this game and this puts us under ideological pressure, what you identify as the "need to dehumanize the enemy". In that way, in the world social arena, the cost of winning the game is surrendering the capacity to change it.


[–]redlittleboot 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The way you send the message across is kind of annoying and you offer no concrete solutions, but most of this is true, we need to empathize better.

Wanna tell us ways to become better at empathizing?

[–]domoli 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This.. loved the post but he's right. Would love some elaboration on how you deviate from the TRP norms regarding empathy and connecting with women on this level.

[–]_JustASnowFlake_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Body language books is a good start

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would suggest if you're a cannabis user to lessen your usage


[–]BornShook 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We havent systemised the sexual marketplace. We just all take common sense measures to improve our SMV's, and act like men. If you spend time mentally systemizing the "sexual marketplace", you're an autist who probably doesnt get laid.

The sexual marketplace doesnt even exsist in my mind. Theres men, and theres women. Men want to fuck women, and women want to be fucked by high quality men. Be a high quality man who has confidence, and you get pussy. Yeah you could consider that to be my analysis of the system, but thats so fucking simple a caveman could figure that out. I dont see the chaos in the "marketplace" that you speak of. There is no chaos. Be a man worthy of pussy, and you will get pussy.

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great post. I've been seeing a counselor for years on and off, since before I was a teenager. My emotional intelligence is leagues above other men and even women my age, I would argue it's above most men, period. When you're able to separate your rational brain from your emotional brain, it's like a little cheat code in life.

But when, as a rational man, you can put yourself in the shoes of other people emotionally, without getting attached, women won't be able to help but fall in love with you. This is what most of my social circle game is centered around, without my even trying. I have alpha behaviorisms, but I empathize with people in a way that most other men can't, and people appreciate this, and they're attracted to it because they feel like you really care about them.

[–]NACHTK1113R 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What a load of bollocks mate. The only value an attractive woman has is generally her body, and they usually know this as well. So it makes no sense that a woman would spurn a man for looking at her as a piece of fuck meat because if that's really the case then she's just a self-important cunt.

[–]noctorious99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spot on. Another happ- I mean great post.

[–]Jonasena 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A too long a messy post that over generalizes waaay to much. What i do feel like though, is that you have managed to connect with BP self diagnosed "autists" and egocentric pseudo intellectuals of this board. Just to clarify: NO - Women can not "read minds". You do not need to befriend a woman to have sex with her.

[–]elfmonsterofthe -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Sex and relationships are not an important part of life, get your priorities straight.

[–]anonanonetc 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You basically told a whole bunch of aspies to just go out and be cured because it’s easy. The post was awesome until you became the women you paraphrased earlier not able to understand why we can’t just pick up on things.

[–]majestyalphaq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice post man. However, i’m waiting eagerly for the narcissist / psychopath post you said you’ll make!

[–]Oscar_Cc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post. However I still think lifestyle might be more important with women than your own personality. You can have a very alpha, non-needy attitude, but if what you do does not align with the things women enjoy, you are probably not going to have a lot of success. My two cents.

[–]Red_Faust 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Hey Heathcliff.

Thanks for this post. This might be one of the post that has most resonated with me. Maybe the most, even. You hit me in the gut.

I have a question for you, let me try for starters to sum up my case briefly.

I'm extremely analytic. Borderline asperger, if not for the fact that I'm also an extrovert, funny outgoing dude, I throw shit all around, tease everyone and so on. I'm also very fit for my age. Mid-low bf and ripped in my early 40s.

I really identify with the hyper-male mind you've described in the beginning of your post. However my systematizing degree was over 9.000 so I could even see through the PUA bullshit (well, more through the Mystery bullshit, since other PUAs like Zan Perrion, Juggler, swinggcat, Franco, Chase Amante, Vin DiCarlo and others had less aspie philosophies). I did very well using PUA techniques a decade ago and I do even better now with a more rounded approach to self-improvement.

I have trouble connecting emotionally. Not specifically empathizing, since I can see myself in the other person's shoes, I can even figure out what the other person is feeling, but then I am not agile, fluent or however you call it to turn that into a connection. Like, ok I have a kind of intuition on what this other person is feeling, now what do I do with that?

It's not that I can't do that emotional connection, it's just that I find it terribly counterintuitive. It's like I don't have a instinct to emotionally connect, so to speak. I can do active listening, mirroring, reflecting back to the other person his/her own ideas in his/her own words or in mine, and so on. Sometimes I even "let it go" and try to flow without trying to analyze. And these things work, but not at the level I would like it to be.

Notice that I'm not a social retard. I've been an outgoing guy, all of my life. Before ASF I was the goofy, jester type. Had many many friends and acquaintances. But no pussy. After ASF I added physical masculinity and inner game, and had many friends and acquaintances, and pussy.

But the emotional connection remained (remains) my bottleneck. I compensate it by being a tease, funny, good listener, and of course (somewhat) ripped at the gym. Notice again (for the trolls and griefers that will respond to this) that I'm by no means unsuccessful, my N count is around the 50s (I think, lost count years ago) with threesomes, swinging and other stuff on the mix.

Now, to my real question. I'm very interested in developing this emotional side of mine and take it to another level. Why, really? With girls I have no problem since it's a small bottleneck that can be compensated.

For business. My systematizing side is able to create awesome products in my niche. As in, totally awesome. I'm somewhat of a newbie in my niche, not yet very known or famous, but my clients have given me absurd feedback like my products being the best they've ever seen, stuff like that. I have conversion rates of more than 100% when some clients bring onboard their friends, family an so on.

I'm darned good at what I do.

But I'm having a marketing problem, since I find it hard to connect with my target audience. It should be easy since I know them pretty well, but I'm not able to talk/write to them in a way that compels them to know me and my services more, to be eager to buy from me. So I have a high client retention rate, but a very low client acquisition rate.

Now this is a bottleneck that really, really hurts.

And I want to learn to really really connect with people.

Some more clarifications, again just in case people want to troll this comment:

  • No, I don't just say "here's my awesome product and this is why it's awesome, so you should but it". I'm not that aspie, never been. I use marketing and copywriting techniques, and I also try to "feel" the clients' pain when I'm writing. Somehow, it still turns out a bit rational and looks a little fake, a little non-natural, and I haven't been able to pinpoint why or how to fix it.

  • I know that some things in life cannot be systematized. Of course. Please don't give me the speech "u so aspie, u can't logic thru life". Specifically emotional connection is wrapped around intuition, which by definition cannot be systematized. But it can be learned, and trained. For instance the book "Intuition for Beginners" by Diane Brandon, is full of exercises that have allowed me to let my intuitive side flow free (er).

  • I would like to hear the opinion of Heathcliff or anyone else interested on this matter on how to develop this emotional, intuitive side (of course without losing the systematizing side, but I think that's a given prerequisite). If you're gonna respond to just call me aspie, autistic or a cuck, or to tell me that some things can't be analyzed (the useless "just be yourself" of emotional development) your time might be best spent elsewhere.

Thanks in advance to everyone who replies.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I think if you know a bit of copywriting you know how important it is to identify with your particular audience to craft a piece they would care to read about with specific attention.

I think one good way for you to become more intuitive is to just ask your clients questions where they would have to talk about themselves. The more they talk about themselves the more they will feel an emotional connection to you and give you their attention. Starter questions from how are you really doing today? To what made you start your company and what was your vision that may differentiate yourself and your products from the competition?

After asking questions you can start saying phrases that start with "I understand" how you feel, how you think, why you made this decision, and then start saying what you think that would benefit them.

Always try to insert "you" in your sentences in your mind. That way you will be able to keep shifting the focus onto the other person. Again, the more you shift your focus on the other person, the more interested the other person would be to you and give you their attention. And the more you'll be able to think about their benefits of working with you..

I think this may help you. I always been somewhat sensitive and paranoid and a host of stuff, overthinking sometimes on what people may think (it got better over the years)... so hopefully this has helped you a bit on getting into the minds of others and becoming more intuitive/emotional or caring...

[–]Red_Faust 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks for your reply dripdripdropdrop!

I think one good way for you to become more intuitive is to just ask your clients questions where they would have to talk about themselves.

Thanks, this is a good tip. I'm trying to form the habit of meeting my potential customers in real life, not only online, and asking them questions. There's a method I'm learning to survey audiences called "Ask Method" by Ryan Levesque, in order to understand better your audience (the thing is, I think I understand them pretty well since my products solve their problems, but rational understanding does not an emotional connection create, as you can see).

Always try to insert "you" in your sentences in your mind.

THIS is a super charged tip! I think you hit the nail in the head here. It's the kind of mental pattern that can be used to manage your focus, to redirect your attention to the other person.

I will, starting now, form the habit of mentally inserting, and then using, the word "you" in every sentence spoken or paragraph written, to be able to quickly make this focus shift. In order to overdo it at first, to create the habit. I'll report back to you how it went.

Thank you mate!

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

I can never feel qualified to give personal advice to guys who are old enough to be my father, especially those that have their shit together. I'm still just a kid so you are probably way more adjusted and knowledgeable about these things than I am, so it doesn't feel right for me to be telling you how to behave.

In regards to connecting better with customers in your business? Hire people who possess the qualities you lack. In this case, hire a woman.

[–]Red_Faust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply Heathcliff!

Don't worry, good ideas and advice don't have to correlate with age. I feel absolutely qualified to learn from you :)

In regards to connecting better with customers in your business? Hire people who possess the qualities you lack. In this case, hire a woman.

This is a good tip and actually I've done it. My manager (the person just below me) is a woman. One of her most important task is to tell me when I'm miscalibrating by leaning too much to the rational side, in texts, videos and some meetings she goes to. She's been a very good help with that, though I also would like to develop this trait on myself.

I will research and compile a list of resources an tips on how to develop this emotional side and how to learn to create create emotional connection with people, in seduction business or whatever.

My current hypothesis is that creating an emotional connection is not systematizable, but learning and practicing it can be.

Some resources off the top of my head:

  • Emotional Intelligence by Daniel Goleman as a primer and a foundation to start with.
  • Intuition for Beginners by Diane Brandon, as mentioned above.
  • The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida, in order to feel the polarization between sexes, and a good primer on how women feel, and how they want to feel around you.
  • Spellbinding by Chase Amante, a systematization (LOL) on interesting and emotionally charged conversations.

I will keep researching and collecting and report back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meh or I just gave it up...

I honestly just want to be rich and then worry about all that later, or good at my craft/trade... With all the pleasure the world has to offer, including food, hard work, the satisfaction of working out, a good nights rest... seems like all that can be ruined with the wrong approach to having sex with "strangers."

Maybe I'm just too scared about all the liabilities that can come from just playing around with girls that I may never fully understand. I didn't exactly have a math genius father, a business waiting for me to take over or other things that give me an upper leg in this. I'm not exactly well connected or financially well off or anything...

I just think it's much easier a game if everything is handled within my life first. I know I have a great time doing all the other stuff that doesn't have to do with sex. And the possibilities get me excited...

And maybe that's what TRP preaches, to get your life in order, to never get married, to be on guard all the time, etc... I rather just not play this rigged sex game right now for temporary pleasure, if it would mean sacrificing all the other games I enjoy...

Seems like it's a lot more pain to go the other way around, chase sex first money/lifestyle later...

Good post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

maybe I have a bit too much Milo in me

Heyy maan watch your sentences around here they rapin evryone out here.

[–]mydogisblack9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the best tactic is still to just grow some balls

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I read the whole thing but what struck me is the realization that i'm a cannabis smoker that has basically struck out of empathy (therefore turning me into a asshole)

Don't get me wrong, women love assholes but there also has to be some emphathy (after you've fucked them senseless, care a little lol)

I found this once i was in hospital for a few days, ended up having more success and feeling better with women. but as soon as i start indulging in shitty behaviours, the women ended up leaving etc

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[–]conflagratorX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basically Borderline has limited ability to empathize so I won't agree on this.

[–]SilentAlpha 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So what you are trying to say is that 'real men'...'alpha's' are autistic. (Or at least thats what you want to have us quietly conclude) Yep.....man this site is getting bad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this post Heathcliff. I like you score very high on both scales coming from a stoic genius level father and BPD mother. I believe this post has actually furthered the TRP system theory.

Math and logic are deductive, but science is strictly inductive. Its laws are really only derived from repeated experimental outcomes, which as Hume pointed out are never logically or necessarily so.

You will go far young man.

[–]reddzeppelin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

On knights and rooks, The knight is useful to see as less value because it is useful early. You may as well risk taking it out, while it can jump over peices and do as needed. The Rook can be seen as having an escilated value late in the game, and is generally worth saving for this reason, two rooks lined up are like a cannon if you can manage this, but its hard to do early on with other peices in the way. So what does all this mean? Im suggesting a dynamic value of chess peices, knights start out at 5 but move down to 3, a rook starts at 5 but moves up to 6. though, since knights can target two peices at once they may move back up to 4.

On your specifics, I dont really doubt that this works for you if you have a hyper empathy, but there are many ways. Bruce is the famous master who pointed to the moon in enter the dragon, slapping his student for looking at his finger. but Hoyce Gracie fought quite differently to great success against larger opponents. Youve go to be kidding if you think there arent girls who like being treated like a fuck toy. but thats a different game entirely, jujitsu to kung fu. Im obviously the type to systemize if you cant tell by this post but, I find there is a point where such bad game as staring at girls like meat does work. it takes tons of working out and focusing on appearance, and then stopping so it looks natural. lifting 5 days a week, running three, and then stopping and having a layer of fat that hides how hard you worked for that look. doing the same thing with the hair and clothes, trying hard but not appearing that way, if youre even more attractive than her you can objectify her.

[–]Ledoborec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a simple man, I see post about/with autism and I am hooked. Thanks for the thinking out of the box tho.

[–]xRedStaRx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very, very solid post, up until "And more importantly, she will see instantly that you are not treating her like a human and instead seeing her only as a sex object."

[–]lifestuff69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It threatens their feminine imperative; massively. They've basically been cheating at this game up until now, covertly playing a second meta-game underneath us that we had no idea of. Now that the wool has been removed from our eyes and we're starting to learn how they work, and how to combat it, they are freaking out. They use their shaming tactics to try and bully us back into submission, because we threaten their position as winners in the game. But we know better than to give up at the slightest hint of resistance, in fact, it's the one thing that tells us we're on the right path.


Most of us have no idea because society, religion, culture, and other social constructs that influenced us have been infiltrated and used to disseminate BP propaganda. Now that some of us are waking up, however slowly, this is a huge threat to female-dominated institutions in society.

This is also why you should never talk about RP concepts with women, let alone men who are stuck in the BP mindset and won't even consider any of the hints you've thrown their way. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

[–]WolfgangBreitweit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imho Women don’t empathise. I thought that as well. But what women really do is non verbal communication. The reason for this is to find out about the needs of toddlers. As soon as kids enter the verbal communication phase the woman feels overwhelmed by the childs communication demands. In old societies kids over 3-4 years are in groups of kids and teenagers. Not with mommy anymore. Mothers are free for the next child. They have no mandate for further education. This is made by the kids group. Since women are left today with none, one or two kids they seldom need this non verbal communication skills anymore. But no replacement has ever developed. They still have a hard time in debates because of that. To understand why women can’t cope with things that don’t “feel right” no matter if fact ot not, is that basic interpretation of the needs of toddlers is the goal. Abstraction is not part of her communication. Despite able to rational thinking and reasoning, women have some sort of inhibitor in the head. Whenever feelings are not what she expected, she will stop reasoning and start rationalising. Thus making any debate futile. No matter if her counterparts are male or female.

[–]Nocryingok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, great way to see the world and the duality of males and females. I kicked ass in the test btw

Your score is 29 out of 36. Your score is equal or better than 74% of all participants.

[–]-Steve_French- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imaging taking time to write this because women don't want you

[–]Juggernaut_is_here 0 points1 point  (0 children)

will always be thankful for this post..I am a tested autist myself

[–]mattizie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

17/36 for the test. Am I an autist yet?

But speaking seriously, I was more confident in my answers when guessing the male eyes. The women all looked kinda the same, the only difference I could tell was the that some were looking directly at you, and others away from the camera. I don't think the makeup helps either.

[–]adool999 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I was with you until you called refugees rapists. I am an Arab immigrant and I think you are retarded. Stop trying to find a villain in the world and start focusing on yourself.

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

keep away from our women Mohammad

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can probably reduce your posts by 2/3 if you actually got to the point faster

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah it’s a good central point. Women crave a dominant alpha guy who “gets it”, but they also crave a guy they can connect with on a human level.

[–]Stron2g 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So they marry the latter guy and fuck the former, easy.

[–]guifawkes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s called you have a desire to be a leader and put others before yourself. It works. Be the first to serve and don’t do it for the glory, do it to be a servant. The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

[–]equilibrium57 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hah. This is interesting. Good insight.

[–]StickguyMB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen marriages that didn't last as long as this post

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post qnd I agreed with you until the empathiszing part. I want to make two corrections to it:

  1. Women are NOT better at empathising than men. If they were they would understand our struggles, men wouldnt have so much difficulty in the SMP, we wouldn't get ghosted, strung along, cheated on, etc.

  2. Women do NOT want to be treated like humans (wtf does that even mean). If they did they would respond to "nice guy game", which they do not. If you are not ruthless with women, you wont succeed. Its kind of like "dehumanizing" an opponent in war - if you do not do that you wont be able to fight and win.

[–]winner_lahmacun -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for helping out your muslim brother! Now I will rape your family and kids. Have fun!

[–]pmmedenver -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Holy shit your post was fantastic. I literally have no criticisms and devoured your post like brain candy. Ignore the little boys in the comments below, they haven't lived enough life yet to appreciate it.

[–]impulse_red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why can’t people be entitled to their own opinions? The author said in these comments himself. Whether it’s a filter for those so worthy of his writing, or it is just a complex topic where not everyone is on the same archetypal spectrum.

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