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Field ReportFR: Never underestimate the power of not giving her attention (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by trees_away

Summary:

Nothing new here, but it was pretty interesting to see TRP in action. This HB9 spinner can't resist a man who stands out of the crowd of constant desperate dick by not giving a fuck and not showing her any attention.

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About a month ago, after a night out at a club with some friends, I got a random FB friend request from a chick I'd rate at about an HB9. 21 years old, great body. Pretty face. Upon investigating her profile, it was plain to see that she is a local "model", and being a photographer who pretty much exclusively shoots boudoir, my first thought was that she had somehow seen my work on IG and found my FB profile. I was a bit panicked because I keep them thoroughly isolated and shoot under a nom de plume, so I accepted her request with the intention of finding out how she found me.

We chatted for a bit, I told her about some of the antics of the evening (I was at a local BDSM club which was having a "Torture Garden" night. It was... Interesting) and soon enough we got to talking about photography and modeling. My suspicion was that she was just looking for a paying gig and I was her next mark, but I wanted to tease out of her how she found my FB profile. Sure enough, she starts telling me her rates at one point, and I tell her I don't have any budget for paying gigs at the moment, but I'm always down to shoot time for proofs. I asked her if she had seen my work and it turns out she had just seen my name in the private group of a local studio, to which I've never posted. I breathe a sigh of relief, since my fear of somehow accidentally linking my somewhat-scandalous IG account to my personal "safe for work" profile was unfounded, and proceed to send her to my portfolio on IG.

Seeing the subject matter I post, she shares a few shots that she's done in the past (bondage, lingerie, implied nudes, etc) but says she doesn't do that stuff anymore. I tell her "too bad" and leave it at that. Probably all in all, five minutes of conversation, and then giving her no further attention.

Fast forward to last week, and I see a message request on my IG account from her with nothing but a heart emoji. Figuring that at the very least I could get some good shots out of a pretty hot model, I decide to indulge her again and reply. Our conversation was something along the lines of:

Me: Hey there

Her: wyd?

Me: Drinking some wine and eating some cheese. Care to join?

Her: yes indeed

Me: you're welcome to come by

At this point, I'm in no way expecting her to show, and even if she does, just expecting it to be photography related, as I'm sure she's just another broke "model" who's trying to get some $$

Her: I don't know where you live

I give her my address

Her: Thats actually your address?

Me: Yep

Her: We shooting lol

Like I figured

Her: I can come over but I live 30 min away

Me: I'll be up for a while

Her: U ignored my question

Me: what do you want to shoot? I'm pretty beat

Her: Not tonight. lol silly rabbit

Hmm... Interesting

Me: ok, lets talk about it when you get here

Her: I have plenty of Victorias secret

Me: Bring some, you can show me

At no point am I actually expecting her to show up

Her: What you mean

Me: I was saying, if you're coming over tonight, bring some of your VS with you and you can show me what you have

Her: Okayyy. I'm on my way

Riiiight

30 mins later, this chick shows up. Short. Slender. 105lbs I'd guess. Dragging this giant-ass suitcase of lingerie. I offer her some wine, and she sits down and starts to pull out her lingerie and show me some of her $4k worth of Victoria's Secret (Holy shit! $4k???). In my head, I'm still just assuming this is a professional visit so I'm not gaming her or using kino - I don't mix business and pleasure because I don't want the reputation of being that guy who tries to fuck every model he shoots. They talk, trust me.

However, after showing me a few dozen outfits she pulled out of her suitcase, she sits down again and unzips her jacket to reveal she's wearing nothing but a bra underneath.

This just got interesting

I had my arm stretched out on the couch in her direction, and she cuddles up next to me and pulls out her phone and starts showing me some of the more risqué shoots she's done. At this point it dawns on me that this isn't just a professional visit, and start to escalate. I tell her that it would be a lot better to see the lingerie on her so I can get an idea of what I'd be working with, and she happily strips naked and starts trying on the pieces I tell her to.

Gentlemen, I kid you not, minus a few surgery scars, this chick had an absolutely perfect body. I wouldn't have believed her tits were real except that I felt them. Not an ounce of fat anywhere but her tits and an extremely well-shaped ass. Stomach flat enough to calibrate a level. Hip jut, the whole 9 yards. Basically, a bucket-list fuck for me.

Now, I've slimmed down a lot over the past year since discovering TRP, but I'm still a fat ass. I was a bit flabbergasted at this point because she was a straight-up spinner, and I hadn't had the chance to fuck one yet and realized tonight was my night.

We're sitting there on the couch some more, and she begins to show me the crazy amount of interest she gets from men. This came as no surprise of course, because she's a smoke show and TRP has opened my eyes to what the world is like for beautiful women. But it begins to dawn on me as she's showing me the 1,000's of messages on social media (over 10k IG followers) and texts that she is constantly receiving from guys wanting to fuck her: The reason she's sitting on my couch right then about to get some of my average, chubby-guy dick is because I basically blew her off. I showed her ZERO interest, and she couldn't stand it. She went on at-length about how annoying all of the desperate guys are, constantly hitting on her, trying to get her attention, trying to impress her, whatever. I stood out because I did exactly none of that.

She spent the night, came back the next evening for a shoot, and spent the night again. I told her I wouldn't be free again until I got back from a business trip in two weeks, then basically ignored her all week. She winds up making a couple of videos of her doing some very dirty things to a suction-cupped dildo and sends me the first one. I basically give her a "nice", but when she asks if I want to see the second one I say "nope" and ghost for the rest of the night, not texting her again till Saturday when I tell her to come over at 9.

She happily complies, this time showing up wearing nothing but a coat and stockings/garter belt/thong/bra... Not a coincidence since I had told her the first night how stockings and a garter belt drive me wild. But, again I was dumbfounded. I've never seen a chick in person who makes a stripper outfit from Priscilla's look better than the girl on the package. A girl this hot showing up at my door dressing in a way specifically targeted to what she knows will turn me on was a new experience. This time she made even more of a show of showing all of the attention she gets from orbiters, all the guys that want to fuck her, blah blah blah. I just A&A'd and made fun of them with her, telling her if they only knew that she preferred 36 year old average white dick.

While flying out for my business trip, I get a text from a number I didn't recognize (I had given her my # but we had been chatting on social media). I ask who it is, and she says its her. I'm like, "Who?" She's like, "You know, girl #4" - I had been very straightforward about my non-monogamy on the first night. Some here would likely lean towards subtly, but that feels too much like deception to me, so I'd rather not waste anyone's time and I never bother plating unless she knows outright that she's not the only one.

Needless to say, I got her in bed by not being interested, and even though she is quite literally the hottest chick I've ever fucked, my continued perceived disinterest is (for the time being - its definitely just my turn) keeping her coming back for more.

Edit: Formatting

Edit 2: I saw a notification about an apparently now deleted comment saying “Lies”. I don’t have anything to prove, just sharing a field report. But here’s a photo of her eating breakfast in my bed the next morning, and of part of what she was wearing when she showed up in stockings and a garter. I’m not making shit up. Not every story you read on the internet is false. https://imgur.com/a/xZXaz


[–]1cappadocianhawk 229 points230 points  (8 children)

Yep. Well done.

Never acknowledge their physical beauty except when she's done something you told her to do with her appearance. Never praise her except when she's doing something you told her to do. Make sure your time and attention are always lower in supply than demand, and train the chick like you would train a child.

She will bitch and complain to her friends and orbiters about how you don't care about her, but you'll still be the guy she fucks and values.

[–]trees_away[S] 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Hell man, she's 21. She's still a "child". Thats the easy part! :)

[–]markinsinz7 14 points15 points  (2 children)

You do have high smv though. That's a BIG PLUS, keep that in mind. Simply advising that ignoring aloof behaviour won't actually work unless there is some value in the given context. Yours being a successful photographer or whatever with what I'm guessing would be quite the following.

Not to be put u down or anythin I personally enjoyed the story and glad for your success but value comes first. Either looks social skills/status or talent...

[–]trees_away[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She had nothing advertising my value other than a decent headshot and a measly IG following. Well, and a decent portfolio. I'm great at creative lighting.

[–]markinsinz7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fair enough but a girl doesn't just contact a random nobody then gets all flustered when said nobody acts aloof or devil may care. ..she's either heard of u or was captured by ur work

[–]1cappadocianhawk 37 points38 points  (0 children)

In this blue pill culture they lack strong father figures, so they love the authority when a real man comes along. That is like a drug to them.

[–]ThrowMe2727 98 points99 points  (4 children)

Nice post but imo the fact that you are a photographer and that she needed one played a big role that you shouldn't underestimate.

Nonetheless you handled the situation really well (better than what I would have done haha)

[–]trees_away[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Something I'd considered - sure. Probably plays a big role. I'm sure she's fucked other photogs in the past, though she says she doesn't. But she's always got photogs wanting to shoot her. She doesn't "need" me at all. She's got a great portfolio and has worked with guys way better than me.

[–]party_next_door 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Your version is like that Richard Greer movie "Unfaithful" (Can't believe I watched that as a kid, a lot of notes too take from it)

[–]BurnieSlander 88 points89 points  (2 children)

A true testament to the power of outcome independence. Well played sir.

[–]trees_away[S] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

It's so counter-intuitive, but it works. In contrast, I had another situation a few months ago where some friends brought over a chick they met and were trying to redirect towards me. It should have been a sure-thing. She was interested - I even had her naked on my bed, restrained, giving her a massage - but I tried way too damn hard. Learned my lesson. :)

[–]420KUSHBUSH 17 points18 points  (0 children)

but I tried way too damn hard.

Only the best learn this the hard way

Attah boy on the story though, job well done

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 56 points57 points  (29 children)

Good field report.

The next step in your journey is to go from this

for the time being - its definitely just my turn

to this

for the time being, it's just her turn

You are the prize. Confident, steadfast, attractive men are a rarer resource than hot women. Start acting like the catch that you are.

[–]trees_away[S] 20 points21 points  (23 children)

I’ll get there. I won’t feel like I’m the catch until I get down to 12% BF (still at like 24%). But, I’m on track to be there this year. Once I’m slim and start putting on muscle, I’ll feel like everything is firing on all cylinders. I’m an attractive dude (well, attractive as a fat-ass can be), I dress stylish, I get my hair cut by the best barber shop in the city twice a month, I have a badass apartment, I have a serious shot at being a touring singer next year with an album dropping this year, while at the same time having a killer day job, and I’m a damn good photographer. I have a ton of interests, and my focus is on my mission so much that I barely have time for women anymore. I’m confident Once my body is where I want it to be, then I’ll be the prize. Right now I still feel like a consolation prize. 😉

[–]dingman58 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You're probably a big beautiful beast

[–]Unrealenting 3 points4 points  (20 children)

Your body is irrelevant. It's your frame that matters.

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    [–]Unrealenting 3 points4 points  (7 children)

    Game > Looks. I'm not saying looks aren't important, but that Game and Frame are the MOST important and that being fit without those things is completely meaningless when it comes to getting laid, and, not only that, but that you don't have to be ripped to get laid if you have solid G&F.

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      [–]trees_away[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      I weigh in around 292 right now (though I’m 6’4”) and wholeheartedly agree. I’m mostly invisible to any woman I’m genuinely attracted to.

      I have great game and a strong frame. My buddy who is always asking me for advice with women slays, but I’m wittier and have a better rapport with women while he comes off as insecure and pretty needy. Doesn’t matter. He’s 40 and skinny fat, but gets constant female attention from women I’d love to plate - while all of those women are telling me “oh your weight doesn’t matter blah blah blah...” Bullshit. Fucking liars. 🤣

      [–]ReadyPlayer15 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      You weight 292 pounds, holy fucking shit, dude that's morbidly obese, the rock is your height and like 250 max and I doubt you ahve as much muscle as he dies

      [–]trees_away[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Yep. I was 365 at my heaviest. I had major body dismorphia and emotional issues. I was blind to how fat I was. Thankfully not so anymore. It turned out I had been low-T my whole life and that was a cyclical thing that made it really hard to be motivated to lose weight psychologically and actually keep it off physiologically. I got help for my emotional shit, got out of my depression, started TRT a year ago, and began the long road of change. I doubt I have as much muscle as the rock either, but the last time I got a body fat evaluation I had 200lbs of lean tissue and bone. So while yes, I am morbidly obese, most people who know me in person are shocked when they learn how much I weigh. I don’t look like I weigh 292lbs.

      [–]Trenned_out 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Bro good on you for dropping that much weight already and for the TRT. It's a long road for us tall guys to actually fill out our frames (with muscle) but trust me girls go wild over it when you do.

      Keep dieting and lifting man, good job.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm 31, 6'8', and 330lb, I feel your pain (invisible to women on the street) but online, where you are "somebody" (frame) that doesn't matter one bit.

      [–]IWasBornASinner 6 points7 points  (7 children)

      this. but biology would say the more physically fit would have better frame but there's always exceptions to everything.

      [–]Unrealenting 5 points6 points  (6 children)

      No, you can have an amazing body but if you have shit frame you will NEVER get laid. Height, looks, money, none of that shit matters if you have Game and Frame. At best, they're like toppings on a sundae, adding to the flavor of an already delicious scoop of ice cream, but you would never eat those ingredients on their own. I can't tell you how many tall and handsome guys I know that SUCK with women and get, at best, a shallow lay once every few years from a shallow slut and on the other hand I know some short and physically unattractive guys who KILL it with women because they act confident and hold their frame.

      Basically, it's not your weight that matters, it's how you let your weight affect your perception of yourself that matters. Lose weight for your own self-perception but don't kid yourself into thinking getting jacked will magically make women flock to you. I've also seen a ton of dudes who were fat and insecure become fairly muscular and insecure, they do no better with women because they still feel insecure and wallow in the self-pity that they learned from blaming their romance issues on their weight. The gym is important and helps you produce loads of testosterone, but a healthy, lighthearted, and encouraging self-perception is MANDATORY if you want to bed women.

      Look at the gym as a supplement for your self-perception and frame, but make sure you don't treat it like an end-all-be-all unless you want to be the shoe-gazing swole guy at the party who awkwardly sits on the periphery of conversations and watches guys who don't put in a fraction of the work you do bed women because you forgot to learn how to game chicks in-between lifting and dieting.

      [–]trees_away[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      I know my weight drastically effects my frame and confidence, because as I slim down both are increasing significantly. Dropping several clothing sizes in the past few months has done wonders for my self esteem. Being able to shop normal retail instead of big and tall has allowed me to dress in a way that I feel real about. All of this factors in. I still get insecure about the first time a woman sees me naked because of two reasons: my belly, and my TRT induced body acne (which i’m seeing a dermatologist about ASAP). Both are fixable, and both are being fixed. I honestly don’t care that much about getting laid right now. I’m not in full monk mode; I have a few plates, but it’s not a priority right now because I want to improve me, for me.

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        [–]trees_away[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I use a Ketozonale shampoo, it’s definitely big cycstic mofos. I switched my regiment to EOD sub-Q last week. Hoping that causes less of a spike and less acne response. My E2 was slightly elevated, so my doc upped me to 1mg 2x weekly anastrazole. Not on HCG. Honestly what has done me the most good is going to the local nudist resort and spending the day in the sun and saltwater pools. I took the chick from this post there on Saturday. 😉 Going the last two weekends has caused a dramatic reduction in severity of the redness of the spots.

        I’m seeing a dermatologist recommended by my former men’s clinic doc in a couple of weeks. Hopefully he can help me knock it out for good.

        [–]Unrealenting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's the mindset to have. I see too many dudes here who scream "LIFT!" and then wonder why they still suck with women even though they can no longer fit through most doorways. Attraction is psychological for women, not physical, and most guys get that backwards because it's the opposite for men, wherein we are attracted to what physically stimulates our senses.

        [–]Rabbit-Punch 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Amen brother. It’s easy to have the excuses like your looks being the issue.

        [–]Trenned_out 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Yes frame is huge (IMO especially for keeping girls around and managing them vs a quick pick up, although it's important in both). But it seems to me guys saying body doesn't matter have never truly stood out in a crowd or seen a friend who is actually jacked (not 170lbs soaking wet) get attention from women.

        I'm sure people will come back with an example of a tall jacked guy who had no frame and doesn't get pussy... Well that's a strawman argument, it's not either or. Strive to have game and maximize your looks.

        [–]Unrealenting 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Maybe I wasn't clear. Being big will get you initial attention but you will not be able to close without game. You can't ride looks alone to close, only to open.

        Make sense?

        [–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        oh yea I agree with that man. I've dealt with that first hand. Always had decent natural game but I raised my looks SMV so high with lifting, "supps" etc, and I was frustrated why I was only pulling girls like 2-3 points below me in SMV with the occassional hottie thrown in.

        The past year I've immersed myself in the red pill and finally am pulling the caliber of girl I felt like I should be.

        [–]U-94 3 points4 points  (4 children)

        I've gotta argue with this. That's confidence getting a little too out of hand. Yeah you can see yourself as the prize but you're just gotta smacked down again at some point in the future. You gotta play up with a chip on your shoulder that no one gives a fuck about you. In fact, perceive a hot chick sleeping with you as reality insulting you. Because it's not real - in the sense that it means nothing.

        You don't win the lottery and act like you deserved it. You chuckle at the absurdity and when someone asks "Wow how did you accomplish that?" you shrug and say "Idk, just got lucky".

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        That's confidence getting a little too out of hand.

        With women, there's no such thing.

        Yeah you can see yourself as the prize but you're just gotta smacked down again at some point in the future.

        You don't get "smacked down" by a breakup if you never pin your self-esteem on the bitch in the first place.

        Divorce your feelings from outcomes and consume the experience in the present.

        In fact, perceive a hot chick sleeping with you as reality insulting you. Because it's not real - in the sense that it means nothing.

        It's not your value that fades with time, it's hers. Your can continue to build equity in your life for about as long as you can maintain the discipline to excel in your chosen field. The real insult is on the chick, what with her short expiration date.

        You don't win the lottery and act like you deserved it.

        Success in life is a matter of patience, not luck. Patience alone will preserve a man if his discipline holds.

        [–]U-94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And then all good things........are luck.

        [–]trees_away[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        That’s how I felt about this situation. I’m invisible to most hotties. I got lucky.

        [–]PurpleDrank88 15 points16 points  (1 child)

        I think you make a good point about attention, but I think you're also missing what I think is another key aspect of this scenario. You're a photographer who shoots models, which means that she can come over to your place and try on lingerie and rationalize to herself along the lines of that she went over with professional intentions to show you what lingerie she could utilize for a shoot and the rest "just kind of happened."

        Females love that ability to make themselves feel like they weren't a slut because it "allegedly" all started off with non-sexual intentions and the rest "just happened." This is a big thing someone in your particular profession can use to their advantage.

        [–]trees_away[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You make a great point, that definitely worked in my favor.

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 16 points17 points  (22 children)

        Fuck wait a minute, aren’t you supposed to show interest in order to escalate?

        Not overt verbal validation (like you look hot/pretty)

        What made this different from a girl who could’ve just came over, got her shoot, and left.

        [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (13 children)

        aren’t you supposed to show interest in order to escalate?

        One passed down from ancient male wisdom:

        "Treat a lady like a whore, and a whore like a lady"

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 22 points23 points  (11 children)

        I’m not getting the underlying message

        [–]PrettyBelowAverage 24 points25 points  (6 children)

        The idea is you're treating them ways they're not used to being treated, but want to cause the grass is always greener, it's exciting for them.

        That's my take on it, at least. A whore doesn't get treated like a lady, so when she does - it's special and attractive.

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        When a whore gets treated like a lady, wouldn’t she put that guy in the friend zone? That’s usually how it works out right?

        Or am I just not getting what treat her like a lady means?

        [–]PrettyBelowAverage 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Treating a woman like a lady doesn't mean being a nice guy, you feel me? You can still treat someone like a lady while being sexual and using kino. Being a nice guy means being polite and giving resources when they haven't been earned, you can be nice without being polite, that's what separates a nice guy from a respectable man.

        Niceness is a character trait, politeness is a learned behavior trait. Niceness is giving the random stranger who is lost directions and parting ways, politeness is going out of your way to get them there when they haven't done anything to incline you to do so.

        You can mostly be nice while being confident, just know that part of always being confident is that you can't always be nice - but you can be civil.

        Hope that clarified a little. Overall, none of this matters till you go out and do it yourself, I recently had that realization for myself. You can think you have the most solid knowledge of how to get a woman, but until you actually use it and enhance it through experience, it's pretty worthless. You can't say you're swimming if you're just dipping your toe in the water, you gotta jump in and, sure enough, one day you know how to swim and aren't afraid of the water. I'm kinda preaching to myself, but I hope you benefitted from it brotha!

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Saving this comment lol

        Helped a ton

        [–]1htbf 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I suppose you've never been to whore house.

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Excellent deduction my dear Watson

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        This girl was clearly not a lady, but basically a nude model/cam girl. So essentially she was a whore. Treating her like a lady, i.e. being super professional turned her on. If she were a real lady you'd do the opposite, i.e. be very aggressive and treat her like she's a slut, which would turn her on.

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Lol “real lady”. Those are virtually nonexistent in America. I get the idea though

        So when you come across party girls and hot girls you can clearly assume sleep around (unless somehow proven otherwise), you should treat her respectfully? That doesn’t seem like it’d end well

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        For the rule to strictly apply it refers to what the woman "perceives and presents" herself as. Common everyday thots, even though they are whores, do not acknowledge themselves as such, usually but falsely present themselves as someone worthy of respect. They are whores and should be treated as whores.

        [–]trees_away[S] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

        I escalated by kinoing when she leaned in, then when I got tired of her vapid showing me of photos of herself, I told her “I’m tired of looking st photos of you,” picked her up off the couch in a cradle carry, sat her in my lap, and started kissing her.

        Because she wasn’t there to shoot. It had already been made clear that night that we weren’t shooting. She was there for the D. She made that clear when she cuddled up into me. Models will sometimes be flirty/playful when we are shooting and there are times where I probably could have gotten laid if I responded. But I draw a line about that because I never want to misread a situation and get a bad reputation. Reputation is everything as a photographer. Models will ask other models you’ve shot with about you before they show up at your house/studio.

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Oh that makes sense, you knew that she wanted it before she even came here.

        If she didn’t make any moves would you have just done the shoot and kept it professional/platonic?

        [–]trees_away[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        If she didn’t seem to be interested, then yes, because our first context was conversations as model/photographer, I would have kept it professional.

        [–]nadolny7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        As a photographer you have some unbelievably excellent plausible deniability for them coming in to your house at any time, I should take this up as a hobby

        [–]stoicstephen 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        He showed interest, but it was only when they were together (aka the present moment).

        [–]hdosnxbjdjeb 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Lol I feel like showing interest when you aren’t together would make you look thirsty

        [–]ruff21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Thanks for your report, man. Good for you.

        I imagine it’s fucking glorious when it all comes together...and you’re sitting there the following morning watching a 9 eat scrambled eggs in your bed.

        I’m beginning to slooowly see some TRP truths pay dividends in my own life.

        It’s a pretty surreal experience when you finally internalize just a fraction of this stuff. This new frame of mind actually feels far more natural and instinctive than my old blue pilled ways.

        Then to see the way women respond to it??

        Fuck me.. I wish I had this resource when I was in my 20s.

        [–]zealanderx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yeah-

        It's a careful thing because you didn't really talk (other than setting the scene) of the first part of this- where you offered value.

        You don't get hot women like that just by ignoring the smoke show on the street.

        In some part, you have to be engaged and she has to see your high value. For me, when I am trying to navigate the low effort approach you have done here I try and show her directly I see her as a smoke show but that it's not necessarily a big deal. It's funny to say things like, "You are too hot, way too much trouble" and then really let your attention kinda wander.

        [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        man this is really cool. I've recently got into boudoir photos in a big away ( so much so I'm thinking of getting a cam) and then this post shows up... might have to do something about it.

        [–]DatingCoach111 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Enlightenment is realizing there’s nothing you need to do, nothing you need to say, nothing you need to change. Feminine energy is a free spirit, and masculine the grounded. Let her come to you.

        Well done, and bravo.

        [–]trees_away[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And come, and come, and come some more. 😂

        You nailed it though, feminine energy is definitely the chaos. Was just listening to Jordan P talk about that in his book today.

        [–]JensenMse 7 points8 points  (12 children)

        I can totally relate to your story.

        Last year at my brother's 30th birthday, we organized a bachelor's house party weekend and invited a number of girls to join in the party. Now I spent the majority of Saturday getting wasted while we watched soccer, drinking vodka (it had been a while since I let loose, I usually discipline myself when it comes to alcohol.) When the girls started arriving later in the evening, I realized I wasn't going to keep up for the night if I kept drinking so I toned it down to just water.

        Now there's just three boys in my family, the eldest (lets call him M34), the brithday boy (let's call him M30), and me the youngest (27). Whenever a new girl showed up at the party, M34 would call M30 and me and basically introduce the girl to the both of us. He'd introduce the birthday boy first, then would turn to me and say to the girl "This is my gay brother" (my brothers always teased me as gay coz of my fear of girls I had growing up.) Then M30 would start hitting on her and in a few minutes they'd be heading over for a quick fuck.(my brother M30 is the smoothest motherfucker I've ever seen, quite the RedPill guy in my circles.) With me being semi-wasted, I simply withdrew from every interaction and stuck at the grill roasting the meat for the party.

        Later around midnight, a drop dead bombshell HB8 arrived with her friends (let's call her Lilly). My brother M34 did the same introductions, and Lilly looks at me and asks "Are you really gay?" I look at her and give her a shit-eating grin and say "You know what gay means, right? Gay also means very happy." Then M30 proceeds to start his escalations and I turned and went back to the grill, immediately forget about her. Some time later, Lilly comes over to check on the meat (yeah right, I spotted her eye fucking me for a while). We small talk for a bit, and she keeps the conversation running whenever I kept quiet. I listen to her ramble on, but with my buzzed head I wasn't paying much attention. Finally after half an hour of bantering, my cousin who was helping me with the grill grabs me by the hand, leads me and Lilly away from the grill and whispers to my ear "Dude this girl fucking wants you. Go for it, she's basically giving you free pussy." I take Lilly by the hand and lead her off away from prying eyes and I isolate her.

        She immediately starts telling me I'm the hottest guy at the party and she says she was disappointed when I left her with my brothers after the introduction. Then she proceeds to tell me she's tired of all the fuck boys that keep chasing after her and that she rejected M30 who just wanted to fuck (she actually did. My brother was surprized the next morning when he saw Lilly all over me, then gave me a thumbs up. Good man). Afterwards she tells me how she wants a real man to lead her on. Basically, she opened herself up to me and displayed herself for me. After this, the rest of the night went real smoothly for me. I kept her on edge by teasing her while at the same time ignoring her and chatting up with the other girls at the party. By this time, the buzz I had was gone and I was back in my form. Lilly chased after me the whole night, upto the point where she'd snuggle upto me and look at the other girls and tell them that I'm hers alone. By the end of the night, she was so wet from all the teasing that when I took her in to rail her, she came the moment I entered her. She ended up becoming my plate for a couple of months. (she later told me she loves me to death and she has two kids already. Yikes! For a single mum though, she has a pretty hot body, I never was able to tell until she did.)

        This experience inspires me everytime coz I remember I had discovered the Red Pill only a month before the party and I was implementing stuff I thought in my Blue Pill days would be insulting to girls. Attention is basically the kryptonite for girls when they perceive you as high value, deny it and they will chase after you wanting a lot more.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Yeah. Just discriminate between Attention Seekers, Attention Lovers, and Attention Whores (= Timewasters), and stand clear of the latter.

        [–]falconiawillfall 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Could you elaborate on the distinction between the 3?

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        They are points of an upgoing arrow — from normal and non-problematic to the opposite.

        In my own book of “subjective definitions,” there is a difference between an “attention lover,” an “attention seeker,” and an “attention whore.”  I am not too critical of the first two, but I am very critical of the latter. An attention lover could be your favorite dog or cat, your brother or sister, your son or daughter, your boyfriend or girlfriend, or your husband or wife.  Best example of an attention seeker would be someone pursuing a career in the Entertainment Industry, media, politics, or professional sports. For the purposes of this book, here is my own definition of an “attention whore”:  any woman who uses her looks, sex appeal, and “feminine charms” to provoke a man into providing her with attention and/or companionship, but that same woman has never specifically or definitely indicated that she does, or does not, want to have sex with that man. For example, if you are a woman, and you are showing a man a photo of yourself with nothing on but a bra and a thong, but you are indefinitely being vague and ambiguous about whether or not you are going to eventually have sex with the man you are showing the photos to, then Yours Truly would categorize you as a top-notch “attention whore.” A more specific and more sexually provocative type of attention whore would be what men generally refer to as a “cock teaser” or “dick teaser.”  A cock teaser is a woman who specifically wants to provoke you to develop an erection, but she has no desire to help you relieve yourself of that erection.

        Currie, Alan Roger. The Possibility of Sex: How Naïve and Lustful Men are Manipulated by Women Regularly

        [–]UnPawsed 5 points6 points  (8 children)

        Yeah this is fake as fuck.

        No way that happened after your laughable attempt at passing that shit test. “Gay also means very happy” fuck outta here that’s probably the most homosexual shit you could say.

        Maybe if you said something like “yeah Im gay, I need a girl to come over to my family dinner so I can convince my parents I’m not” I would’ve believed you.

        [–]Rabbit-Punch 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        lol I also thought that was the worst possible response. Would’ve been better to actually pretend to be gay

        [–]SerKevanLannister 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I cringed at that line too. I mean seriously?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        She thought he was hot so it didn't matter what he said. 90% of how girls respond to you sexually is how you look. That is the real red pill.

        [–]BullshittingNonsense -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

        100% of Field Reports are fake.

        [–]SerKevanLannister 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I’m in my forties, and I have to agree that many/some of them sound ridiculous to me. I’ve seen a lot of shit over the decades and have always had lots of interaction with women but these “reports” (too) often seem to follow the old Penthouse “It happened to me” narratives rather than real life (the infamous Penthouse stories gave nerdy, spotty, gangly teenagers hope that a random supermodel would decide to fuck them one day)...The part that always seems to be weird about the Field Reports is that after the inevitable “most incredible fuck” the girls who have the “night of their lives” seem to disappear or drift away (she was a plate for a month or so...). I’ve never fucked a woman who then just disappeared. If a woman is happy with the sex she’s definitely going to come back for more (and they usually want to escalate the relationship).

        [–]trees_away[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This one definitely wants to escalate the relationship. I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

        [–]trees_away[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Believe what you want. Mine isn’t.

        [–]bluedragon239 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Does this go hand in hand with abundance? I think you telling her you’re seeing other girls (even if you aren’t) helped deal the deal along with the non interest

        [–]trees_away[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Absolutely. Abundance was certainly demonstrated, and in her mind I probably have fucked every one of the models she’s seen photos of. The non-monogamous thing was brought up in the context of a conversation too, so it wasn’t overt display, just stating a fact about myself.

        [–]hotlinedubai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Dude i love you trees_away

        [–]COCAINE_ADVOCATE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Funny, something similar happened to me last night. A girl I was gaming for a little bit blew me off once and later told me a story about giving some rando a handjob around that time, so I basically told her to fuck off.

        Two months later she texts me and it goes something like this:

        Her: pretext for starting a conversation

        Me: Oh yeah, okay

        Her: Why haven't you reached out to me

        Her: I thought we could hang out sometime

        Me: To be honest, I have zero interest in making time for female friends right now.

        Her: OK. Well I thought we could chill at your place this weekend :3:3

        This girl is cute but a walking schizo-case so I'm going to next.

        Another example: My plate who just went back to her home country, who I met through tinder, was telling me how many dudes would text her, "Hey we matched, why aren't you responding? It's so rude". It's true, she was glued to her phone but took hours/days to reply before I fucked her. She simply said it seemed like I had better things to do at the time so she was curious about me. Thanks for making it easy for me, Tinder morons!

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        [–]trees_away[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        When I was building my portfolio I used to pay them. Or if I have a specific thing I’m shopping for publication. Now I get approached by models because my portfolio speaks for itself and I shoot them for free in exchange for giving them copies of the keepers (with my watermark.)

        [–]sweetb00bs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        this sub has gone down hill

        [–]lehappyjuice 2 points3 points  (11 children)

        Hahahahaha. She fucks you in order to climn up in the ladder and for the resources or opportunities you can bring to her.

        Lmao, your hamster is amazing.... Frame.... Lol

        [–]trees_away[S] 6 points7 points  (9 children)

        I have no opportunities for her, and she’s cost me nothing more than the price of some bacon and eggs and cheap wine plus 2 hours of my time getting great stuff for my portfolio that I would have done without fucking her. Sounds like a win win to me. Laugh it up! I had fun!

        [–]lehappyjuice -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

        Well she doesn't know it and I'm not saying that you are investing a lot in her.

        But a young hot9 fucking a photographer well 2+2

        [–]trees_away[S] 18 points19 points  (7 children)

        Isn’t every woman looking to get something out of a guy they’re fucking? All sex costs. I’ve paid a lot more for a lot uglier whores. I count this as a win regardless, and you’re an ass. 😉

        [–]lehappyjuice -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

        Why am I an ass? Care to explain me?

        Yiu can't handle some truth? I know that you all like to talk about frame confidence and shit but sometimes (maybe this time you are right) the explanation its far simpler

        [–]trees_away[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

        Damn man, I never spoke about frame/confidence. All I said was I basically blew her off, thus standing out from all of the thirsty dudes trying to get with her. Pretty sure that’s what happened here, regardless of other benefits she may think she gets from fucking me. It was plain to see based on her showing me all the thirst, that she can’t stand that shit. Had I been one of those guys and tried to get with her, photographer or not, it wouldn’t have happened. There were plenty of photogs in the array of dudes she was showing me.

        You’re an ass because you laugh at my hamster spinning when I wasn’t doing any such thing. I’m not pretending like this chick got with me cause i’m Chad Thundercock and I alpha’d her into dropping her panties. I just didn’t give two shits about her and that got me laid. And has continued to get me laid.

        You speak from a place of authority and superiority when it’s unnecessary and uncalled for. I’m just a relative (1 year) newbie to TRP and i’m on my journey of swallowing the pill. Just sharing a report of how some of the concepts I learned on here got me laid in the hopes it’ll help another poor shmuck in some way. That’s all.

        [–]lehappyjuice 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Well for me it's clear that she may think she's gonna get something out of it or you are chad thundercock.

        Whatever is the case I'm happy and PROUD of you. I don't understand why you guys seem to get upset when someone tells you that MAYBE it wasn't frame or confidence.

        [–]trees_away[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        I never said it was though, that’s why I don’t get your accusations of hamstering. Didn’t mention frame or confidence once in my post. I didn’t feel very alpha. I wasn’t even thinking about fucking her. I have no illusions about the nature of hot 21 year olds. My only point was it was the lack of attention and the not trying hard that led to the situation where I got my my dick wet in her tight little pussy. IDGAF why she fucked me. I think what she wants out of it is a relationship- I’ve seen numerous hintings on social. At the point she realizes she won’t get it from me, she’ll go poof. Either way, I had fun.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        This reply to your post was a shit test. Respond as you would when a chick gives you one. There’s no reason at all for you to be explaining yourself like this.

        Edit: Never argue with fools. People from a distance can’t tell who is who.

        [–]trees_away[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Did you edit? Cause I swore it said “ate chad thundercock” at first and about lost my shit laughing.

        [–]AshWebster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        you're the type of guy who's jealous of other girls boyfriends... smacks of beta

        [–]1htbf 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        How did you get started in "scandalous" photography ?

        I'm a videographer, it's much more complicated to get one-on-one gigs.

        [–]trees_away[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Started contacting local models on IG about implied or boudoir shoots.

        [–]1htbf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You had some sort of portfolio before that though right ? But it wasn't the sexy kind ?

        [–]trees_away[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yea, I had some decent shots before. What helped is finding a model or two that was just starting out.

        [–]Trenned_out 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        WTF is up with that scar. Did this bitch have a C-section before 21? lmao.

        Edit: Not hating on you OP, good job.

        [–]trees_away[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        She's had several medical necessary surgeries. That one's from an appendectomy I think.

        [–]jseph1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Good work /u/trees_away (Nice, clear photo too ;D

        [–]hawkeaglejesus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Not trying to be an amog edgelord, but is that what you'd seriously consider a 9?

        I'd say HB7 maybe 8 on a good day.

        In a college town full of 21 year olds you can't throw a rock without hitting a girl that looks like that.

        An HB9 is a true rarity, with most cute girls riding the top of the HB7 bell curve.

        [–]ReadyPlayer15 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        We can't really know without seeing her face

        [–]bluedragon2388 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Great story op

        I don’t get how you showed interest. Was it just your escalation after showing her that you can ignore her/not give her attention?

        [–]trees_away[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I didn’t show interest. I literally just took her when I was done with her showing off her photos.

        [–]Stron2g 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Awesome, congrats. The less you outwardly desire women, the more they want you and vice versa. This is one of the biggest lessons I've learned so far.

        [–]BornShook 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        You got mad lucky with this situation from what it sounds like.

        Also, why did you say "nope" to the video she was going to send you? You know you wanted to see it, and she wanted to send it. You should have just said "Sure, I guess", then "Cool", and left it at that.

        [–]trees_away[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Cause I was doing something else and it was more fun to fuck with her. I don’t give a shit about seeing her molest herself. That does nothing for me. I saw it when she was laying next to me in bed on Saturday.

        [–]BornShook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Hm.. I probably wouldve handled that a bit different but to each their own. I wouldve either said "sure i guess" or "show me later, im busy"

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Thank you for the post. I'm still a newbie but have already noticed some improvements in my life since finding TRP. You motivate me to work harder.

        [–]Randallsixx13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Fuck the haters/naysayers. It's just thinly veiled envy.

        [–]bipedalsentient -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        the way you describe women is quite blue pill lol

        [–]trees_away[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        The way you comment is quite blue pill lol

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        [–]magx01 -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

        What's with her feet? (second picture).

        [–]trees_away[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Not sure what you mean? They look fine in person. Perhaps just the dim light and stockings?

        [–]magx01 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

        Look at her big (and I do mean BIG) toe on her left foot. Yikes.

        [–]trees_away[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Tou got some kinda fucked up foot fetish or something? What’d you do, CSi that shit? I just checked the original and I can barely see her toe there. 🤣🤣🤣