Most of you are too fat to have High SMV (self.TheRedPill)

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I recently wrote how water fasting can improve a mans SMV.

The haters came out hard. When you are taking flak, you must be over the target so Ill keep going.

15, 18, 20+% body fat isnt turning heads on the beach. I dont care how much you bench or squat, you will look better leaner. I definitley lift and lift hard. Im in no way suggesting otherwise. But whats the point of having broad shoulders and thick legs if they are buried under a layer of fat? If you cant see abs and veins in your neck and forehead and arms then you are a fatty. In clothes, you look like shit compared to what could be if you cut down.

Also, its well known that fatties have high estrogen so cut down for your masculinity. A sharp jaw makes one look younger and more manly. Sexual attraction is about polarity. The feminine desires leanness and soft men are women.

And dont guess your bf. Go test it and learn it because its always way higher than you think. Most guys cant believe what it takes to get to 10%.

TRP is about increasing SMV and getting leanasfuck is a fast track to do it.

Dont bother writing me that you are higher BF but very strong. You sound like the hamsters at MRP who think having a great job makes their wives pussies wet. It doesnt and neither do love handles so cut down on your BF and lift hard and enjoy the success that most men wont ever know

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I used to be a dad bod incel. 47/M

In the past two years I've dropped 75 lbs and I had an iDXA scan two weeks ago that showed 9.2% body fat.

Holy shit life is good.

[–]ChinmayT2 96 points97 points  (5 children)

GaryVee says that "You are a Kid at 20. You guys don't even understand how young I feel at 42."

That is true. You don't look 47 at all. Kudos.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't feel or act 47 either. Thanks bro...

[–]1GalcomMadwell 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You look 55 in the before, and 38 in the after. I'm 29 and you're in far better shape than me. I need to get off my ass.

[–]Former_Judaizer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

38 is so specific

[–]ReneFroger 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nice results! I'm deeply impressed. What was your diet like?

[–]washington_breadstix 113 points114 points  (12 children)

Holy shit, dude. I wasn't expecting much when I saw that first picture but you literally made my jaw drop. Good fucking work.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Funny thing on that first pic, already said elsewhere in this thread, is I was actually celebrating my first 25 lbs. lost!! I don't have any "real" before pics but of course I wish I did.

[–]KaKa42 6 points7 points  (9 children)

wtf did you get hairier too?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Lol same number of hair follicles together on a smaller surface area. Also TRT makes body hair grow more.

I get basically my whole body trimmed once a month lol.

[–]Lawojin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Smart. Trimming your stomach hair can make you look leaner

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 9 points10 points  (36 children)

Since you are the mysterious looks great, 47 year old dude (that on TBP can't exist) hows life in the pussy lane now? Still sorting out your frame or are you back in the swing of things?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Life gains abound lol. Getting laid is no longer an issue for me. I guess I'm NoFap now, because I can't remember the last time I masturbated. Just no need when there is plenty of willing pussy available.

Right now I'm in a LTR with this badass multimillionaire woman who wants me to marry her and travel the world together. I'll admit I'm considering it. That's a whole other thread probably lol. She is an insanely high status woman (socially, financially, looks good at 40+). Basically an alpha female that can dominate a board room, but still wants to be dominated in the bedroom.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 18 points19 points  (28 children)

Tell our user base about your dating pool. Or did you flop on this first one?

You're a good example of the upper limits of older peak male SMV based on your age. So your input is valuable.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Well my SMV shot up pretty quickly with this transformation, and my standards are still catching up with me lol. I fucked anything that moved at first. I guess as I started to notice how excited women were to be with me, just for me to fuck them, it helped the standards creep up a little every time...and just my confidence in general. People think I am alpha now just by the way I look and carry myself, they expect me to act alpha, and I guess it kind of makes me feel more and more naturally dominant and confident (the TRT helps with this too).

Plenty of online dating success. Pretty easy to snag a new plate and just indulge. For me this was mostly 30-somethings, but I even shagged a few 20-somethings which was one of my goals. You have to understand how previously unimaginable this was for me...

I eventually had some professional pics taken and my Bumble profile just lit up after that. It's how I met my current LTR. I'm actually trying to make that work right now. Not the TRP thing to do, I know...

I get treated almost like royalty at my gym. Hot gym bunnies open me, a couple say I have the best body in the gym (I don't), but I'm in the forever small club just always thinking I need to improve.

I keep to myself in the gym but lots of men will start conversation with me and ask for advice. The ones that have known me since the beginning have become good friends. All of this makes me pretty high status in the gym.

I feel confident I could have one or two of the really cute gym bunnies I talk to there, but just not going there for now.

My initial goal with my transformation was to be attractive to women again, but I guess now I know that I am, I'm trying to move on to more important life gains (social, family, financial, etc.)....

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I'm actually trying to make that work right now. Not the TRP thing to do, I know...

Well what have you learned? You're hot shit. Tell her you want to have her help manage the meat market.

Anyways, your post is obviously an inspiration for men everywhere. Consider making a whole post, talk about yourself and the changes, both physically mentally. Relay to men what you did in this small comment.

Your post drips with authenticity. Lots of guys like to sling around how great they do, but few post with the ups and downs and give an accurate portrayal of what it's like to be a man who is almost 50 in great shape.

Well, you can still pull 20 year old women. And plenty of 30 year olds, easily.

Rollo's SMV forecast was never proven wrong.

Again, it'd be great to see a whole post. Sometimes guys just need to see what it can look like if they're discouraged or cynical about the idea that they could be spinning plates in their 40s.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I will try to submit a post going into more detail sometime soon. I am definitely willing to share my process and what I've learned.

And thanks very much for the kind words.


[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I'm actually trying to make that work right now. Not the TRP thing to do, I know...

The TRP thing to do is what YOU want to do. If you'd rather travel the world with your multimillionaire LTR instead of spin plates, more power to you.

It doesn't sound like there are huge downsides to getting married to her if she's wealthy; she'll probably even ask YOU to sign a prenup.

BTW great info, thanks for answering all these questions.

[–]r4nd01 2 points3 points  (5 children)

dude, rethink that, its totally a trap.

if he doesn't make the kind of money she does, and starts accepting "gifts" or letting her pay for expensive trips and dinners, etc, he will be entering her frame. by throwing her money around, the alpha woman seeks to dominate and humiliate every man she can. she likes that OC (original commenter) is hot and improving himself and wants to see if she can tear him down.

for background, i recently divorced an alpha woman. i was showered with gifts, given a magic money card, taken on trips, all in exchange for validating a lunatic and allowing her to attempt to dismantle everything about me that she initially found attractive (aka "challenge" me). I could even be getting alimony right now if i had discarded my final shred of dignity and surrendered to becoming a fully feminized man.

All I'm saying is, don't marry a woman for her money. get your own money, its way better.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Tell me more sir! Lol I've been trying to think this through, and never been able to find someone with similar experience. She has already taken me on several trips and spent loads of cash on dinners and gifts. I really do like her though, it's not about the money, but I'm trying to make sure my judgement isn't being clouded.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You should write a submission about your experience. I'd love to hear more about it and I bet many others would too.

I'm still having a hard time seeing the downsides. If she starts doing what you say she will, just walk away.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Id bet he is swimming in poon

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (53 children)

Nice dude. How did you do that?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thanks. I lift 6 days a week, do plenty of other activities for cardio (cycling, climbing, yoga, etc.), current diet is Intermittent Fasting 18:6 plus "mostly" gluten free. Avoid processed carbs and sugars.

Then yeah...TRT and HGH.

Funny side note...that before picture is actually me celebrating losing the first 25 lbs and thinking how much better I was looking (yeah, scary)

Thanks for the compliment bro....

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (17 children)

I find fasting a very useful tool for maintenace too. a 48 hour bi weekly or even monthly one negates a few cheat meals and binge drinking sessions

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm all about fasting. Been reading a ton of the science behind, Dr. Jason Fung, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, Joe Rogan.

Obviously I'm not trying to lose weight or get much leaner, but I just feel fucking fantastic when my fasting is on point.

Hard to explain, but it's like my body temp is cooler when I'm not busy digesting food, I sleep better on an empty stomach. Start fast at 2pm daily and skip dinner obviously.

I also find myself going to bed earlier and getting up earlier, which is good in my case.

Still figuring it all out, but this post really hit home for me. I'll admit visible abs (getting lean) has been one of my long term goals.

[–]Darkistco 1 points1 points [recovered]

+1 dr fung, I visit the fasting sub and saw one of his videos that explain it very simply.

I'm a LOT younger than you.

plan on doing a long 30 day fast starting tomorrow and have some before and after pics like you. lifting the whole time. should be interesting

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

My longest fast so far has only been 24 hours though. I may have to try for 48 hours just to prove I can do it.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 13 points14 points  (8 children)

Of course you can. You'll do it easy, and laugh after. It is not a big deal. It seems so bad only because all of the discomfort associated with fasting is present no matter what, between when you begin it and when you end; but it's up to you whether you want that discomfort all in one go within 24h or you buffer it over 48h. A 24 hour fast is not much easier than a 3 day one. The same thing becomes stretched out more and the more days you're fasting the less the hunger bothers you in reality day-by-day.

If you go to 3 days and more, you might want to include a ramp-in and ramp-out for best results. Same number of days as the desired fast. Day 1 of the ramp-in you might begin by cutting down your portions a third, eliminating salt and meat. Still eating normally besides that. Day 2, eliminating fish & chicken and most solid food, portions smaller still, eating lots of quality greens, small amounts of nuts, porridge, making fresh pressed juices, herb teas as much as you want. Day 3 eliminating everything but the fresh juices (not store bought) and herb teas. Ramp-in finished. Thel fast starts next day, only water for 3 days straight.

Follow up with a 3 day ramp-out, exactly the same only in reverse order. The quality of produce you use during the ramp-out is crucial and the ramp-out stage itself is more important than the actual fasting days, so spare no expense to grab the best foodstuffs available. It all gets instantly incorporated all over the entire system, stressed by hunger it grabs anything and is not picky about it as it might have been normally, so the tolerance for pesticides and nasty stuff along these lines is dramatically lowered, but on the other hand the uptake capacity for quality nutrients is hugely boosted.

This method allows one to skip most of the unpleasantness of fasting, there is no particular hunger pangs or pain when going through the 3 days of only water, and that feel when you finally sip a little juice at the beginning of the ramp-out is priceless.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

clearly you know what you are talking about....why do you fast? how often?

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The same as you bro. What they call "intermittent" fasting has been the natural norm for me for a long time, happened by itself. Beyond that I would add a 24h fast weekly on Friday, just for general health and that feeling of inner celebration.

I go to 3 or 4 days maybe every 6 months, or whenever life isn't going too well and I want to push the reset button on everything. With these 3-4 days water fasts (plus 3 ramp in, 3 ramp out) I'm still splashing in the safe, baby part of the pool and that makes me feel like I can get max benefits out of it, with the least amount of health risk. It's a serious thing, you are setting a fire to yourself and burning from the inside out, but it's a good and purifying fire too. As you found out, some of the benefits are difficult to put into words altogether, you start to think and feel differently, most stress seems to fade away as childish and unnecessary, many things that I would not label as positives or have a word for, have later become who I feel I am, so I don't want to not have them. I have a plate who always notices when I fast and excitedly claims I even fuck her better & more ruthless. Ha ha.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yea I do it only for my physique and try really hard to find times when I can be working and excersizing only. Being busy help the time go quickly and it makes me less hungry the following few days. a reset on cravings and snacking for sure.

Not sure I like the phase in and out as it prolongs the pain but perhaps it makes the 2 to 3 days much more tolerable. At any rate, as you say, 3 days is nothing and those claiming its unhealthy or muscle wasting have no idea what they are talking about. As a matter of fact, the biggest and best I look is after a fast and a couple meals. It's like the first fluids go right to muscle first and pump you up.

[–]fromthecrypt8 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Glad you admitted to TRT and HGH, because at your age that transformation would be hard to achieve without it. Of course it still takes hard work even on TRT, so much respect to you.

Just curious, what were your T-levels before you went on RT?

[–]mountainbiker178 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What lifting program are you doing? As you doing the same program now as when you started?

[–]naneaem 1 points1 points [recovered]

Can you tell me more about that HGH? I heard it helps to boost height even after puberty?

I admit I once considered taking it

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't believe it can make you taller after puberty, I have never heard that before. Also, if you are younger, I really can't tell you what the long-term effects might be.

That said, for someone my age, I think it is like some sort of a limitless pill or fountain of youth. Like really amazing.

I'm on a very low dose. It helps me stay lean and burn body fat for sure. Promotes a general sense of well being, improves skin health, increases collagen production, and I'd personally say it helps me look and feel younger. Also pretty sure it improves sexual function in various ways.

Based on your question, it sounds like you need to do a ton more research to made a good decision for your situation though.Theres lots of good info out there from more qualified sources that me.

Good luck!

[–]ndestruktx 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You can't increase height once growth plates have fused. That occurs anywhere from 18-25 for most humans.

[–]1Ramesses_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Jesus Christ dude. Killing it.

[–]zealanderx 8 points9 points  (1 child)

One of the best transformations around,


[–]well-ok-then 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The before pic could be me. I keep talking about losing weight and working out then I get distracted with work and chicks and bullshit. Mostly with not making it a real priority. Thanks for the inspiration

[–]1TimmyTurnersNuts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Damn, my boy went from “Can I sniff Cheetos from your ass?” To “new number who dis??!” Good shit man. Looking great

[–]stylesm11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy shit that is impressive

[–]redd_reality 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Fuck, you went from slob to respectable man.

Any major life events spur on the change?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

My low point was seriously, embarrassingly low. Like unemployed, playing video games, totally sedentary, no energy for my kids that needed me, and living off a cashed out 401K....Jesus Fucking Christmas it was a shit show.

By Christmas 2015, I had at least gotten a job, but still managed to achieve all-time fat @ 276 lbs. and looked awful. I decided enough was enough.

So basically I set a New Year's resolution for 2016 with the simple goal of working out for a month, to hopefully establish the habit and get some momentum going in the right direction.

It worked.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Only request is to Keep Posting. You'll find by explaining yourself the actual motivations that made it happen become clearer to you, and more importantly, a whole pile of introspection can unlock a new insight. Glad to have you here.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

mods should endorse this man

[–]TimPartendale 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Congrats on your weight loss! Inspiring transformation and good luck.

[–]Celicni 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus fuck dude. Was this all natural or were you on something?

[–]_Chowdaddy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

HOLY SHIT dude your before is literally me now.

I’ve been lifting steady and getting my shit together after a lifetime of hamming it up, it it’s a slow process.

You’ve offered some solid inspiration - thanks for posting this.

[–]futmut 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wow dude, im seriously impressed...How did you achieve that?

Been trying to get shredded like this for long time and despite having good muscles nice chest i just cant get a nice six pack...I have an alcoholic tummy...Im lifting heavy weights, squatting (my ass got slightly bigger which is very important) i do push ups and my chest is pretty nice, i do a 3mile run every morning...But my tummy is still there, it doesnt get flatter and i have no idea why...

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well done bro. Been trying to get my buddy to do what you did. I'll show him this post so he can see that it can be done. He likes to tell me that I've always been fit so I don't know what he is going through.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That transformation is awesome. Rock that stubble or a nice beard and you will do well.

[–]stylesm11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Holy shit that is impressive

[–]SKRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If my uncle is any indication, you can still look like this at 60 and feel like 30.

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel 351 points352 points  (100 children)

I used to have an attitude of "give everyone a chance, everyone deserves respect." But after seeing the hard work my dad did to lose 50 pounds, and how much work I put into my own diet, I straight up have no respect for fat people. If you can't stop stuffing your face with McDonald's or fucking twinkies I don't have time to spare on you.

[–]AlexDr0ps 185 points186 points  (9 children)

Women only need to do one thing to be treated like royalty - be skinny. And yet somehow, we see whales on legs whine that they are treated unfairly by men. So dye their hair blue and march for equality. The fat acceptance movement is probably the only thing worse than feminism. Encourage being a lazy sack of shit and blame men for not wanting to give you their time. What a joke.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Because women can only function with a victim mentality.

[–]StickguyMB 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yeah, but I keep seeing whales that complain about how many guys like them and who reject any decent guy that talks to them. I don't think it matters unless she's like 500LBS or sonething

[–]Gidanocitiahisyt 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Yeah my ex is 200lbs, when our 5 year relationship ended she immediately went and fucked Chad on Tinder (she described him as 'really, really, really hot'). Before we broke up, she always complained about how many guys hit on her.

So now it's up to me to put hundreds and hundreds of hours into lifting and dieting so I can hope to attain an SMV anywhere near what she can acquire just by sitting in bed eating icecream playing with her smartphone all day.

[–]StickguyMB 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's so true. All of that. I'm fucking tired of it.

[–]Former_Judaizer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is what happens when you tell every guy to approach and get laid at all costs.

Dudes need to chill out, self-improve, and have higher standards for themselves and women.

[–][deleted] 182 points183 points  (81 children)

Fatties are losers

[–]1cappadocianhawk 119 points120 points  (54 children)

I used to be fat, lost 100 pounds. I know it can be done, since I've done it. Fatties have no one to blame except themselves.

Turns out if you don't eat all the time, you lose weight. Who would've guessed.

[–]trancedj 78 points79 points  (2 children)

Told a fatty at work the same thing. Apparently dudes wife has been on his ass about losing weight. I finally gave in and told him “I know how you can loose that weight”. He starts making excuses before I even tell him. After telling me he can’t exercise because blah, he can’t diet because blah. I’m like dude. All you have to do is stop eating so much (IF). He laughed at me. I stopped talking. He’s still fat as fuck. No discipline. No drive.

[–]1cappadocianhawk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Can't get anywhere in life without discipline and drive. These people are doomed to stay mediocre or worse.

[–]sirbassist83 49 points50 points  (14 children)

fatty at work asked me how i lost weight.

"eat less"

"but i get hungry"

"yup. no way around that."

"im going to try keto. that way i can eat as much as i want, but since im not eating bread or cake any more, ill still lose weight!"

good luck with that, you stupid asshole

[–]johnbranflake 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Keto works though because he won’t feel as hungry all the time and it will be easier to eat less.

[–]sirbassist83 20 points21 points  (4 children)

but he still has to eat less. he doesnt understand that. he also doesnt understand what a carb is. i tried to tell him to eat a pound of either chicken breast or fish, and as many green veggies, black beans, or lentils as he wanted to go with it, and 2 eggs for breakfast, but nooooo.

"fruit is ok too, right? its natural! its healthy just like broccoli!"

i gave up around that point

[–]Neddy93 8 points9 points  (0 children)

because he won’t feel as hungry all the time

Oh, but he will. Keto works because most of the cravings people have is for sweets, and when all that is prohibited, you just tend to eat less.

[–]ace15klos 9 points10 points  (3 children)

A calorie is a calorie. Shit you can lose weight by just eating pizza, just make sure your caloric intake and protein intake (if you going gym) are on point.

[–]sam_the_dog78 6 points7 points  (1 child)

People are shocked to learn that I’ve lost 50 pounds and eat massive chipotle burritos all the time. Yeah because that’s all I eat for dinner and they have an excellent nutrition calculator on their website

[–]ace15klos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really love pizza and treat myself all the time. People are like you eat so much how are you not fat?

I just dont eat breakfast and go gym and drink a protein shake + pop some multivitamins and vitamin d on top of whatever i eat(usually junk food) and it works. Some people actually get pissed when I start explaining that a calorie is just a calorie because "muh health guru said otherwise".

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered]

Same story, same opinion. I lost 185 lbs and even had to had two surgeries to get rid of the skin. Fatties are their own worst enemy.

Just like TRP: Don't try to help unless they ask for it and are dead serious.

[–]1cappadocianhawk 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yep, people keep asking me how I did it, and I tell them "I don't eat sugar" and leave it at that. Weight control is another red pill all on its own.

So many times people told me I was starving myself and was going to die. Especially after my bf dropped below 20%. The crabs are real.

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered]

Holy shit the crabs are real. When you are losing weight, people usually cheer you on. Right up to the point where your BMI drops below theirs. Now suddenly you are starving yourself and you are looking weak and sick.

Many guys find TRP and get told to learn about weight control. For me it was the other way around. Once I cracked the system behind weight control and suddenly felt utterly empowered by the control I gained over my own body and life I wanted more of it.

Improving yourself becomes an addiction of sorts and TRP is the club where you go looking for your next hit. This community will not sugarcoat anything, this sub is the very definition of an anti-crab-bucket where each and every crab is trying to show the other crabs how to escape the bucket.

[–]1cappadocianhawk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Very true. I pretty much replaced the food addiction with self improvement addiction.

At least making best use of my personality.

[–]p_and_q 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Im in the same boat but haven't had surgery yet. How much did they cost and was it worth it?

[–]zmazo98 1 point2 points  (23 children)

Yeah, Not eating mixed with exercise helps. But how in the hell did you do that? I want to know, not going to lie, I'm a fatty! However I work on an asphalt crew as a shovel man. I can't find anything that works for me. Now low metabolism runs in my family, but it pisses me off when anyone who knows the family gives me the excuse that its genetics, because as everyone knows thats bullshit.

[–]JMW1237 1 point2 points  (14 children)

Water fast seriously it's the best and fastest way. So many other health benefits as well

[–]Cmdrj-nice 22 points23 points  (0 children)

My suitemates are two fatties. All they do is sit in the dorm all day and watch movies. These two are the reason why I hate fat people now. Disgusting af

[–]sircomeseyesd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ive learned that saying this out loud with ppl around is a dangerous move.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

agreed. My follow-on thought is a little different but similar -

given the recent-decades discovery of keto (low carb, Atkins, etc.) there is no excuse to remain fat. none at all. doing Atkins eliminates cravings entirely, and people drop fucking weight. A person has to be either not looking at all for weight-loss solutions (ie, lazy), or, they just don’t give a shit. no respect for that.

[–]1OneRedSock 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Once you spend the amount of time to dig through the facts about diet (not fad shit, but actual nutrition balance) and spend the time finally reading nutrition labels, measuring and weighing your food, limiting your alcohol and sugar intake, and forcing yourself away from your previous addictive eating habits (oreos and goldfish for me), you really and truly begin to lose respect for people who just complain but never attempt to fix their shitty diet and physique.

You can give these people all the correct information -- whether in pages and pages of data, or truncated to a page of the most necessary bullet points -- and they would never, ever have the discipline and mental fortitude to reach the same outcome.

They are simply weak people. They are losers, because you cannot lift them up to better themselves. They don't want to, because bettering themselves requires agency that they either can't understand or don't want the responsibility of.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (16 children)

15% is the max. Get down to 10%-15% and then bulk up. When to cut? When you go over 15%

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (4 children)

Don't focuss too much on %, just trust the mirros. Some guys are stage ready at 8% some are at 5%. My point being two guys looking equally shredded can have very different percentages depending on genetics and fat distribution.

[–]Lawojin 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Agree with your point. But don't trust mirrors. They are deceitful bitches. Your physique varies wildly during the day. Meal Bloating, pump or no pump, water retention due to carbs or sleep deprivation, bad lighting, it's better to trust statistical data

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's true as well! Bottom line eat clean, lift heavy, track macros and keep moving forward!

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

At 14ish my clothes dont fit well. Everything is tailored so I have no choice but to stop eating til they fit again

[–]verotx 4 points5 points  (5 children)

you recommend cutting first even if you got little/no muscle mass?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yes for two reasons:

1 the biggest thing holding new guys back from gains is lack of faith. If you'd gotten ripped before, you would wait patiently for the gains. You haven't been ripped before. You're going to need to see gains as they come in or you will quit. This is only possible with a low body fat %

2 you have higher level of testosterone when you have less fat. Gains will be bigger as well as more readily noticable with a lower body fat %

[–]verotx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

thats what i thought. I probably have my newbie gains a lil (i lifted casually for almost a year now) but my bf was a little too high for my liking so im cutting pretty hard. i just dont wanna look like a stick.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If you are skinnyfat and untrained, you should be putting on muscle and losing fat at the same time. Noobie gains are legit - and so are "I got fat as fuck after being in shape" rehab gains.

For example, in 2015 I was 225 lbs at 6'2', and about 24% bodyfat. Fat, but I had been rationalizing my weight because I was strong and still felt like I looked solid, and I was still getting female attention. Hamster overdrive.

At this point cutting is the obvious answer, but even on my cut, I gained some muscle mass because I increased by volume and intensity on the cut too, and I was only cutting about 400 cals a day. (Leangains / 16-8 style protocol). So in about 8 months, I had lost only 28 lbs, but I gained strength and muscle mass to test in at 15%. By LBM (lean body mass) was up a good bit. And I was / am a intermediate lifter.

You will get some noobie gains on a cut. You will not burn fat on a bulk. So the skinnyfat guy can totally rehab his body into something respectable in 6 months on a cut. On a bulk? He'll gain good muscle but he'll also gain fat.

Cut to leanness, then stay lean. I cut to 10%, I don't like to go below 10%, and then I bulk to 14%-15% and then immediately pull the plug and get back on a gentle cut. I don't really go extreme cuts or bulks, max of 500 under or 300-400 over.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (17 children)

What about muscle loss? I’m trying to cut down but want to retain as much lean mass as possible. I have a solid 30lbs of fat to lose

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (14 children)

Ill be honest. When cutting you won't make strides with the weights but if you keep lifting hard you will maintain most if not all if the muscle and strentgh.

And you will look way bigger

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The longest I’ve ever fasted was twenty hours, how often should I fast? And for how long?

[–]Proto_Sigma 8 points9 points  (1 child)

A lot of people highly recommend Intermittent fasting. Have a 16 hour off period when you don’t eat anything at all and an 8 hour period where you take in whatever you need ( less is more, you are cutting after all). Do that every day.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Check the subreddit to educate yourself and see what works for you

[–]360_no_scope_upvote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hit your protein intake for your lean body mass and lose fat slowly. If you're losing over 2.2 lbs a week you're also losing muscle. Calculate your TDE and hit those calories religiously, count every calorie, anything that goes in your mouth except for water.

[–]wooksarepeople2 46 points47 points  (15 children)

If you want to drop weight and keep it off go on the KETO diet. Fucking works wonders.

[–]tnegaeR 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Underrated comment

Keto takes IRON willpower

[–]wooksarepeople2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have a cheat day once a week with whatever I want. I'm still setting personal records in weight lifting. I'd say I've probably gained muscle since I started and I still get to keep my abs. The willpower is nothing when you see the results. If people can't handle that they don't deserve a six pack and solid muscles. They can starve themselves like chicks do.

[–]ATPsynthase12 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Keto is almost impossible to maintain long term without going on cheat day binges. For most people anyways.

Go ahead, never have pizza, beer, bread, sugar, or anything like that ever again. Or be that guy that has to bring 3 chicken breasts from home when you go out with family because you can’t eat the same foods as normal people. I’ve been there. It fucking sucks and I’ll never do Keto again.

IIFYM and a calorie deficit has worked well for me. It may not be as effective as Keto in the short term for shedding lbs but it’s maintainable for long periods of time.

[–]giggity23 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Keto is the only diet that works with my autoimmune disease. So I am prepared to do it for the rest of my life

[–]CalfReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cheat days without huge binges are fine. Just don't overdo it and definitely don't do it in the first two months because you're still adjusting

[–]wooksarepeople2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people are fat. I have a cheat day every Sunday and don't go over. People who can't do Keto lack will power.

[–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Holy fuck I could never cut below 14-15% It was just hell, I lost a lot of strength and size, and felt like shit, I was so damn hungry all the time. Now I cutted almost 30 pounds down to 10% (And the leanest I have ever been since I was a teenager) and I never felt hungry, I actually won 5 pounds on my bench press, and almost didn't lose any strength on my squats and deadlifts.

[–]party_dragon 73 points74 points  (39 children)

I've never needed to eat breakfast. I recently discovered that I don't really get hungry throughout the day if I don't eat. So skipping both breakfast and lunch has become my go-to cutting strategy (we'll see what the longer-term effects are, but so far it's going well).

There are so many diets because people's minds work differently. You need to figure out how to hack/train your own mind.

[–]Fragosus 48 points49 points  (0 children)

You are fine. You are basically doing your own version of intermittent fasting, and that shit works wonders for a lot of people.

[–]chloness 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I am like you. Once I start eating I am hungry. If I just skip till evening then I can enjoy a larger meal which keeps me going. Only thing I do is protein powder after morning weights.

[–]Neddy93 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I didn’t eat breakfast all through middle and high school - you’ll be fine. That whole “most important meal of the day” nonsense was just a campaign by the cereal companies in order to get people to consume more shitty breakfast meals.

[–]iknowthewhey 18 points19 points  (1 child)

There is a diet called the "warrior diet" out there that advocates this diet. It states that the most natural way of eating is the way you eat and that it has to do with primitive instincts and insulin sensitivity. The author advocates one meal a day at night and "under eating" during the day which is basically eating nuts and fruit and such until your evening meal.

I agree that breakfast is unnecessary. I don't do the whole diet though when I workout in the morning because I believe its important to have fuel for your workout and protein sources immediately after.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For my morning workouts, I just drink 25 grams of protein before, and another 25 after.

[–]360_no_scope_upvote 12 points13 points  (23 children)

This is also a great way to lose muscle mass though. Unless you're hitting your daily caloric intake at dinner and night.

[–]ace15klos 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As long as you get the protein you need your muscle mass loss will be minimal. 150 grams of protein on a cut and you should be more or less sorted.

[–]party_dragon 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Well yeah that's what happens during a cut.

[–]360_no_scope_upvote 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Losing a little bit is normal if done correctly, losing alot is a sloppy job

[–]wooksarepeople2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yea people don't need to compromise that shit.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If you’re of healthy weight, active, and wish to lose fat, aim for 2.2–3.3 g/kg (1.00-1.50 g/lb), [of protein a day] skewing toward the higher end of this range as you become leaner or if you increase your caloric deficit (hypocaloric diet).


I gained strength and muscle mass while on a daily 1000kcal deficit last year. I lost 14lb in that month while adding muscle and numbers to my lifts. Its possible. I fasted 20 hours a day and had 160g protein a day inside my 1500kcal calories. I also only cooked once - a huge 50litre curry. It was extremely efficient but took huge focus and I had the bandwidth for it at the time.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m the same way, no problem skipping breakfast and a light lunch, just eating one big meal a day for dinner. Works wonders for staying lean.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 56 points57 points  (13 children)

You sound like the hamsters at MRP who think having a great job makes their wives pussies wet

My sides! triggering two fat birds with one stone

[–]Cmdrj-nice 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I don't understand how men can deal with seeing their wives get fat. Good thing am not getting married. It is pathetic

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah, marriage is not worth the risk. I mean my mom and dad both keep themselves in good shape, but I have seen/heard so many examples of women who just gain weight in a marriage and the man basically has to deal with it.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (4 children)

If one highearning chubbyhubby hears me and realizes his wifes panties cream for the lean muscular pool boy than its all worth it.

See Marla Maples banging her bodyguard on a beach when Trump away.

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

There is noone at MRP “preaching” that income wets panties or that being fat is OK. There is one guy whose BMI has crept up towards the high end who is concerned about it (me). I have never seen anyone at MRP suggest anything like what you have said.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have never seen anyone at MRP suggest anything like what you have said.

I don't understand this statement. IMO less BMI is better. I know game can overcome some, but only so much. BMI creep up is the enemy of masculinity.

[–]SoulRedemption 2 points3 points  (3 children)

That's odd. I doubt MRP would be naive enough to be boasting on these lines. Is that 'great job' line just for animation?

[–]vast_rightwing 1 points1 points [recovered]

being nitpicky but 15% can look better with a shirt on than lower percents, if you're in the right musculature range. When I was newer to lifting, just enough weight to add size to my frame without diminishing my shape was perfect. And it makes it easier to add muscle. Obv leaner looked better with the shirt off.

That being said, now that I dont look like a stick at 10%, its the clear winner. A little extra definition and vascularity can beat an inch on your biceps for most chicks.

[–]refusewool 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I looked great at 15 when I was cutting down from 18. I suddenly hit 10 and everyone said I looked ill. Much better shirtless, ten times worse in a shirt. 12-13 is my sweet spot.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 8 points9 points  (4 children)

You weren't wearing tight enough shirts at 10% then. As I cut down I constantly lose more and more wardrobe, I'm giving myself 2 months till I need to revamp everything.

I'd suggest getting back down to 10 and getting some new shirts, you'll probably have to tailor them and just deal with tighter T -shirts

[–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

You don't want tight tshirts, just get tshirts that fit well.

Nothing looks worse than a tryhard in a tshirt that's obviously tight to show off muscles.

[–]MormonRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not nitpicky. It's common knowledge in the bodybuilding community that you look worse in clothing at low bf, even for the huge guys. For further info, here's Jeff Nippard talking to AlphaDestiny about "bear mode". When I saw low, I'm talking about 8-10% vs 14-16%, not 15% vs 25%.

[–]Red_Faust 23 points24 points  (9 children)

My normal state if I don't lift and fast is around 21% bf. Given my height, build and facial aesthetics, I look good with that bf. Good enough to have several MLTRs at each given point in time and enough rotation to lead a happy sexually varied life.

A few months ago I resumed lifting (after recovering from a serious injury), made my diet a couple notches stricter and started fasting hard (warrior diet, I eat only once each day, after lifting)

Long story short, I'm at around 16.5% bodyfat now, with some muscle below it. In pubs & clubs my IOIs go through the roof, and my last Tinder date, the very second thing she told me was "wow, you're handsome".

I've made my personal crusade to lower that to 12%. Why?

Because science, bitch:


From the article: "All facial and body measurements were linearly related to attractiveness, except body adiposity, which showed a curvilinear relationship, peaking at a body fat percentage of 12 per cent."

So 12% BF seems to be the statistical best bf% in terms of attraction (some women may prefer higher or lower but surely one won't go wrong aiming for 12).

So I've made my personal crusade to reach 12% body fat, whatever it takes.

And I would recommend anyone else to do the same if you really really want to turn girls' heads and trigger a sea of IOIs you can capitalize on. Or just to look and feel real fucking good because you deserve it, you tiger!

P.S.1: I measure it using a normal bathroom weighing machine with bf% capability. Inaccurate as fuck but useful for tracking your trend (up or down?). However comparing my body to reference pictures on the intarwebs it looks that the measure is not that far off. Optimization with more accurate and expensive methods shall come later (when I can see my abs). First the foundation then the details.

P.S.2.: I've kept two plates during the whole transition (meaning these two have known me the whole time, while others came and went). Now both of them orgasm faster and harder. Coincidence?

P.S.3.: Notice that I am a former fatty and even as a little kid I was a fatty. T2 Diabetes runs in my family, I am very insulin resistant and normal food makes me fatter than the average person. Also I'm in my early 40s.

With this I mean you don't need to be as spartan as me to achieve the same outcoumes. I play the diet game in Nightmare mode. If I've done it, you have no excuse.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If I dont lift and fast, I look like Seth Rogen

[–]NitricTV 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yo where can I read more about the warrior diet? I’ve been stuck at 17% for the longest.

[–]Red_Faust 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Leangains - https://leangains.com

I do leangains (but with a specific weights routine since I have an injured back).

I lift fasted, eating some BCAAs to prevent catabolism.

I eat once a day, after the gym. I eat paleo (veggies and lean proteins). You can get results with a bigger Intermittent Fasting window. "Warrior diet" is just an intermittent fasting where you eat once per day (i.e. instead of 16/8 or 20/4 I basically do 23/1).

If you want to get over a plateau you can do a 48-hour fast. I read about them from Ludvig Sustrom, here:


I've done 3 of them to push my body farther, I'm not doing them anymore because my stomach seems to have shrunk down and my single food intake seems now small enough to keep losing fat.

If you wanna try it, don't do the 2-day fast when you go to the gym! The day when you don't eat is recommended to be a rest day.

Addition: the 2-day fast is really hard on the psyche. That's why I save it for breaking plateaus, reverting a setback or special stuff like that. Normally I prefer to just eat once a day (which by itself is already a willpower challenge) and enjoy it and keep it going for longer.

[–]Wolveryn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the 'skinny-fat' dudes thinking this doesn't apply to them :)

[–]Maybe_Imlying 13 points14 points  (8 children)

So lift and fast, sounds good.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

throw in some stretching and light cardio on the fasted days and you will crush it

[–]pevans12 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Nothing wrong with jumping on a treadmill on its higher settings and going on for 20 second sprints, and taking a 30 second breather in between and jumping back on.

Gets the body flowing nice and provides a decent enough after burn to carry you when you are done lifting.

I always looked forward to the after burn and sweat. Followed by a cold shower.

That’s when you know your burning and rocking a flaming core.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What's light cardio in your view?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is weight loss and maintenace are done with calorie deficits. Personally I ride a cycle 2x a week

[–]lancer000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget to get alot of protein in... Too much unplanned fasting can lead to loss of gains bro.

[–]RedPilledRoaster 73 points74 points  (17 children)

Good fucking Lord. Fuck fasts. Fuck retarded ass eating programs. Just fucking calculate your maintainence calories and eat 500 calories below that everyday for 6 months. It’s not that fucking hard.

Edit: Reason why I sound so pissed here is I’ve had to deal with people telling me they can’t this can’t that and they just say they’re going to try some special fast that loses fat quick.

A water fast will work but you’ll lose a lot of muscle in the process plus it’s not realistic for people who didn’t have the discipline to not get fat in the first place.

[–]ATPsynthase12 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A water fast will work but you’ll lose a lot of muscle in the process plus it’s not realistic for people who didn’t have the discipline to not get fat in the first place.

Not to mention it’s not maintainable for long term weight loss or maintenance. When you go back to eating like garbage you’ll just pack the weight back on.

You mean to tell me you’ll never eat carbs again or keep fasting until you die? fat fucking chance.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

500 cal deficit a day works. I never said it didnt.

I did say there is another way tbat suits my lifestyle very very well

[–]laylowwww 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Agreed, lean > fat and "jacked"

[–]jy432 1 points1 points [recovered]

this thread is bullshit. Fat is 15%? Give me a fucking break. I feel like OP doesnt even lift. Post a pic or im calling straight up bullshit. Whats up with the obsession with barbie doll thin waists on a male? TRP preaches lifting. Anyone who lifts knows you are stronger when you’re higher % body fat. Im not saying to bulk to 25% bf but you can bulk up to 15% bf and not look like a fat fuck. You bulk, you cut, rinse & repeat. Thats just how it is.

Post a pic or im calling bullshit.

[–]Raeksis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Completely agree in all aspects.

Also, the point of redpill is becoming the best version of yourself that you want to be. If you feel better at a higher bf because you look bigger in clothes and are more stronger and powerful then why the fuck does it matter? Girls will sense that confidence you have in yourself and be attracted to that.

Some people on here are too obsessed with what other people think about them and that's beta as fuck tbh

[–]3trplurker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the never ending game of one-upmanship. Just being 15% isn't alpha enough, now they gotta push it lower and lower and just make up bullshit cause interwebs. The latest trend has been removing essential body fat entirely from the equation and thus artificially pushing their BF% down about 4~5%. Someone who was a "fatty" 15% BF can now with a simple recalculation be a "cut" 10% BF without leaving their computer desk.

Anything under ~12% starts being unattractive due to looking inhuman. Under 10% it gets worse and around 8% it's now into the grotesque territory. Under 8% and serious medical issues start happening due to insufficient insulation between the muscles and nerves.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Most guys(and women too) think that because they aren't a complete and total lard ass that should be featured on the show My 600 Pound Life, that they are fine, that they can eat what they want and not worry about it, that they aren't fat.

If you are over 15% body fat you are too fat. Period. No red pilled man should be above 15%. Bulk up to 15% max and then cut. The higher your body fat %, the more caloric surplus gets partioned as fat instead of muscle.

Spare me this "herp derp all that matters is getting big herp derp" garbage. Any man looks better the closer to 10% body fat he is. Show me a man who looks better at 20% than 10%. Yet I see so many guys here on TRP claim they get more pussy at 25% body fat then they did under 15%. Either you drastically lowered your standards and are getting low quality women, or you are lying.

It's like the guys I see at the gym who wear muscle cut off shirts and act like they are all big and muscular because they are big. Dumbass, your arms aren't big because of muscles, they are big because they have more blubber fat on them than a walrus.

Lastly, if nothing else, lower body fat has its biggest impact in your face. Your face at 15%+ body fat is soft, less angular, less defined and therefore comes off as far less masculine and attractive. Lose the weight if nothing else for the sake of your face aesthetics.

[–]Iwannachokekatie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

After a week of mostly just protein shakes, I got significantly leaner. I'm like 8 pounds lighter and look bigger than before.

Now I'm excited to load my glute with tren and fast for another week or so.

[–]meaningintragedy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Show me a man who looks better at 20% than 10%.

A man who doesn't have much muscle. 10% on him is like anorexia.
I was so much better at 17 with muscle than at 12 without muscle.

[–]notonlyplace 10 points11 points  (6 children)

15% body fat means I'm to fat to have high smv? I know husky guys, who look good with a little belly, in fact women flock to them.

This post is just made for guys with low self esteem, and just hurl insults. I'm not saying be a slob, but you don't have to look like a model or be shredded to turn heads

[–]Viramont 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I honest to god want to see someone who’s doing the water fasting meme and post actual results.

I always hear about all the weight they lose but I’m 100% sure they look like a flabby deflated bag of shit and put the weight on immediately when they start eating again. And it’s only obese fatties that promote it, just like keto.

[–]r4nd01 2 points3 points  (1 child)

the only way i can fast and still maintain mental focus at work is if I take amphetamine tablets. with that nugget of dark magic, I can easily get through days with only 1000-1200 calories. Pretty exhausting though, and much discipline/moderation is required. Hippies are always talking to me about fasting, but they probably don't have demanding jobs or obligations so they can pull it off without my kind of 'help'. ...but they usually look like shit anyway, and fast for 'spiritual' purposes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do well fasting when busy. to each his own. I avoid when my kids around as i have a short temoer2

[–]TheDialecticParadox 4 points5 points  (4 children)

This is the first time I've heard of 'water fasting' and I've had skin in the game for a while. Sounds like another crock of unnecessarily stringent dieting protocols that will just lead to a yo-yoing physique. It shouldn't be that complicated. Having a good physique is as simple as putting in the hard work. No fasting bullshit required.

I imagine that half the lifting/diet posts on TRP would be invalidated if pictures were to go along with the post. Most are probably by chubby 'powerlifters' or skinny DYEL bros. OP if you posted pictures I would certainly be more receptive to your suggestions, especially before and afters.

[–]eccentricrealist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just reached 40 lbs dropped, the difference in how people treat you is insane, and I've still got like 15 to lose if I want to really look lean. Trust me, life is more delicious than any cheeseburger you could eat when you look good.

[–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (10 children)

I don't disagree but have to make a sideways comment to put it all in perspective.

I recall some agency saying that something like 15% to 25% is reasonable for a guy. In other news, guys who are overweight but not obsese tend to have higher n-counts than slimmer guys, so go figure.

We say "lift" because 2/3rds of guys are overweight and a good third or more are obese. You don't need to go crazy on this but watch your diet and hit the gym 3 times a week to get your BF% to 15 and BMI to 25 and you are top 20% right there.

I am Canadian. All your rippling abs don't mean shit when you are wearing a parka. If you are in SoCal or Miami then there are certain subcultures where beach wear is the norm and pipes and 6-packs will get you somewhere. I live in Shenzhen, just north of Hong Kong and at the Tropic of Cancer. It is rather conservative here and there is no beach culture. A simple 0.9 waist to hip ratio will get you where you want to go.

[–]Vince_McLeod 5 points6 points  (1 child)

We're trying to attract women not homosexual men thanks mate.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some people call anal sex with men beautiful!

[–]666mafioso 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You sound like a fucking vegan / crossfit religioso and this reads like a copypasta. Leanasfuck? Lmao your probable body type is the underwear model magazine twinks. Get lost loser 😂

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I eat tons of meat. I dont do much cardio as its not very important to my goals. I also copied zero and wrote it in about 10 mins on a train coming back from a client meeting on my phone.

My body type is more Highschool QB

and I wrote that for the folks following along. You I hope dont listen to a word I say as you already know everything so best of luck buddy

[–]S-Blaze 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Train your neck too, it's one of the most underrated part. A thick neck boost your manliness and smv tenfold. Always exposed, always in sight.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

any tips on how? I do upright rows and shoulder press....

[–]zeekt12 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Neck curls,neck bridges. Check alphadestiny on YouTube, big advocate of it

[–]KekistanRefugee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I built some badass traps and neck muscles from swimming.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As someone who has been on /bodybuilding forums for a while now.. it is basically known knowledge that a buff neck is genetic. For example I got a buff neck. I dont do neck curls. The "neck curl" fad is new and only been around for a few years due to Alpha Destiny hyping people up. Im not sure there are any legit evidence of neck exercises working for people. Shrugs seems to be the only legitimate exercise to show neck gain results in a safe way but its a byproduct of gaining trap size.

Theres the old adage of wrestlers strengthening their neck for their sport, but even then it seems a reach to say they added size. The argument is that you have a higher chance of damaging your neck than gaining size on it.

[–]iknowthewhey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you made this post. There's too many fat guys out there thinking they are tough and big. You're just fat bro. Any man above 15% body fat needs to lose weight as their primary goal. I constantly hear the excuse of "bulking" but you build the most muscle around 12% anyway. Anything above 15% is just lack of self-control.

The best thing you can do is buy a body fat scale on amazon. I got one for under $30 that records and tracks every stat such as body fat, muscle mass, etc. They aren't exact but they can get pretty close. Every day there are people claiming to be 10% Bf but they have never even measured their body fat.

[–]kingbraderz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I’d have to say the only exception I know of IMHO is Jonah hill he just looks weird skinny but medium fat Jonah hill definitely good looking

[–]PhaedrusHunt 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How accurate are scales that tell you BF%? I was surprised by one recently. Because although I've been leaner at times, I was surprised to see I was a bit over 20% as I can still see my abs.

Gotta go easy on the IPAs 😂

[–]TheOneWhoDidntCum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DAmn this article is so right, I'm 20% and it's disgusting, hitting the gym won't suffice while on the beach, time to shred to 14% at least, i totall agree on 10% it's brutally hard!

[–]AnonymonThrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Water retention plays a big role too. Being a fat planet certainly makes that worse, but you’d be surprised how much fatter 1-2lbs of water can make you look, especially on your face. The most attractive guys usually have faces that make it almost impossible to look fat, even if they actually are fat elsewhere. I’ve had people ask me if I had a face lift just from losing less than a pound of water weight from water retention in my face.

[–]washington_breadstix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And let's not forget that many of us are also too skinny to have high SMV. Fat people at least get the occasional overt reminder that they are not attractive. But no one ever tells the skinny guys that it's not good enough for a man to not just be fat. You have to be lean and have some visible muscle.

[–]BrokenHero408 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I Defo got more ass while I was eating like shit, drinking, hitting the clubs while blowing money than I am now focusing on the gym, internships and bettering my self being lol many many variables but being obese def isn't good for you mentally or physically let alone your ability to pull a broad.

[–]altlegend 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I would say I have a good case of 18% bf because I look proportional af. My calves are the same width as my neck and I’m 215lb. Undoubtedly it’s not enough but I am aiming at 12% or less. I could still win a hb with what I say and the Honda I wear on my neck. Still room for improvement.

[–]hodltaco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cut the carbs, the beer, the sweets.

[–]Hussy68 1 point2 points  (1 child)

here we go guys this is the EC that says he is fine with only lifting 125% of his body weight. You want to build muscle properly eat alot of food. Give your muscles all they can take. After that if you reach your desired body weight, recomp.

[–]grvst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Upvoted for the water fasting, it's my go to method while cutting

[–]ElijahBurningWoods 1 point2 points  (2 children)

1.5 months ago, I met a personal @ the gym. I became friends with him and thought: why not give it a try? In just one month of lifting 4 times a week and eating pretty clean, I went from 16% fat to 11.3%. I was pretty blown, how fast that went. I started seeing my sideribs and abs again.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

why not give it a try is a great outlook to have for all sorts of things

[–]redpilledcuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. Rippetoe be damned, girls love abs not flab. What was the saying, "abs are like catnip for women"? And they're also over half your torso. Work on getting them to look good.

[–]tibikush2012 1 point2 points  (2 children)

13-17% body fat over a body that can lift heavy weight doesn't look bad at all. When I was with visible abs my success with women was lower than when I simply had a flat stomach and some fat.

In a healthy male with normal fat % the fat goes to the belly and the shoulders and it looks good. I don't find the veiny look attractive (and so do many women atleast where I live).

[–]3trplurker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you cant see abs and veins in your neck and forehead and arms then you are a fatty

This is incorrect, fatty is 25% BF for males 30% for females. Males want to be under 20% to have an attractive look. The 12~15% area has been demonstrated to be the most attractive with anything under that starting to look more and more grotesque and inhuman. Women don't walk around with calipers and eyeballing is horrifically inaccurate so that idea is dead in the water, instead they are judging the general health and ability of the male. So looking inhuman is a huge negative and bulging veins and muscle magazine physique is unattractive to the vast majority of females, instead a well muscles healthy appearance scores the highest in every study ever conducted.

What's likely happening is you are removing entirely the essential bodyfat needed to keep yourself breathing and thus reducing all your numbers by 4~5% to make them look more shocking.

[–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

And dont guess your bf. Go test it and learn it because its always way higher than you think. Most guys cant believe what it takes to get to 10%.

Don't waste money testing your body fat. Girls can't tell what BF% you are, they can only tell if you have visible abs. Your scales and mirror are the only things you should hold yourself accountable to.

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