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Most of you are too fat to have High SMV (self.TheRedPill)

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I recently wrote how water fasting can improve a mans SMV.

The haters came out hard. When you are taking flak, you must be over the target so Ill keep going.

15, 18, 20+% body fat isnt turning heads on the beach. I dont care how much you bench or squat, you will look better leaner. I definitley lift and lift hard. Im in no way suggesting otherwise. But whats the point of having broad shoulders and thick legs if they are buried under a layer of fat? If you cant see abs and veins in your neck and forehead and arms then you are a fatty. In clothes, you look like shit compared to what could be if you cut down.

Also, its well known that fatties have high estrogen so cut down for your masculinity. A sharp jaw makes one look younger and more manly. Sexual attraction is about polarity. The feminine desires leanness and soft men are women.

And dont guess your bf. Go test it and learn it because its always way higher than you think. Most guys cant believe what it takes to get to 10%.

TRP is about increasing SMV and getting leanasfuck is a fast track to do it.

Dont bother writing me that you are higher BF but very strong. You sound like the hamsters at MRP who think having a great job makes their wives pussies wet. It doesnt and neither do love handles so cut down on your BF and lift hard and enjoy the success that most men wont ever know


[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I used to be a dad bod incel. 47/M

In the past two years I've dropped 75 lbs and I had an iDXA scan two weeks ago that showed 9.2% body fat.

Holy shit life is good.

[–]ChinmayT2 95 points96 points  (5 children)

GaryVee says that "You are a Kid at 20. You guys don't even understand how young I feel at 42."

That is true. You don't look 47 at all. Kudos.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't feel or act 47 either. Thanks bro...

[–]1GalcomMadwell 13 points14 points  (1 child)

You look 55 in the before, and 38 in the after. I'm 29 and you're in far better shape than me. I need to get off my ass.

[–]Former_Judaizer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

38 is so specific

[–]ReneFroger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nice results! I'm deeply impressed. What was your diet like?

[–]washington_breadstix 112 points113 points  (12 children)

Holy shit, dude. I wasn't expecting much when I saw that first picture but you literally made my jaw drop. Good fucking work.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Funny thing on that first pic, already said elsewhere in this thread, is I was actually celebrating my first 25 lbs. lost!! I don't have any "real" before pics but of course I wish I did.

[–]KaKa42 6 points7 points  (9 children)

wtf did you get hairier too?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Lol same number of hair follicles together on a smaller surface area. Also TRT makes body hair grow more.

I get basically my whole body trimmed once a month lol.

[–]Lawojin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Smart. Trimming your stomach hair can make you look leaner

[–]hiddenpersona 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How long have you been on TRT and what's your dose? HCG? Anti E? I've been on TRT for 5-6 months now but sometimes I feel like nothing has changed and not really feeling full benefits. I'm on 200 a week.

[–]Morphs_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why the TRT, did you have your T levels tested and they turned out too low? And if so, what was the reason to have them tested?

You're looking fucking awesome btw.

[–]KaKa42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. I didnt know about TRT (googled it), and the hair follicles thing makes sense.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 10 points11 points  (36 children)

Since you are the mysterious looks great, 47 year old dude (that on TBP can't exist) hows life in the pussy lane now? Still sorting out your frame or are you back in the swing of things?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Life gains abound lol. Getting laid is no longer an issue for me. I guess I'm NoFap now, because I can't remember the last time I masturbated. Just no need when there is plenty of willing pussy available.

Right now I'm in a LTR with this badass multimillionaire woman who wants me to marry her and travel the world together. I'll admit I'm considering it. That's a whole other thread probably lol. She is an insanely high status woman (socially, financially, looks good at 40+). Basically an alpha female that can dominate a board room, but still wants to be dominated in the bedroom.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 17 points18 points  (28 children)

Tell our user base about your dating pool. Or did you flop on this first one?

You're a good example of the upper limits of older peak male SMV based on your age. So your input is valuable.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Well my SMV shot up pretty quickly with this transformation, and my standards are still catching up with me lol. I fucked anything that moved at first. I guess as I started to notice how excited women were to be with me, just for me to fuck them, it helped the standards creep up a little every time...and just my confidence in general. People think I am alpha now just by the way I look and carry myself, they expect me to act alpha, and I guess it kind of makes me feel more and more naturally dominant and confident (the TRT helps with this too).

Plenty of online dating success. Pretty easy to snag a new plate and just indulge. For me this was mostly 30-somethings, but I even shagged a few 20-somethings which was one of my goals. You have to understand how previously unimaginable this was for me...

I eventually had some professional pics taken and my Bumble profile just lit up after that. It's how I met my current LTR. I'm actually trying to make that work right now. Not the TRP thing to do, I know...

I get treated almost like royalty at my gym. Hot gym bunnies open me, a couple say I have the best body in the gym (I don't), but I'm in the forever small club just always thinking I need to improve.

I keep to myself in the gym but lots of men will start conversation with me and ask for advice. The ones that have known me since the beginning have become good friends. All of this makes me pretty high status in the gym.

I feel confident I could have one or two of the really cute gym bunnies I talk to there, but just not going there for now.

My initial goal with my transformation was to be attractive to women again, but I guess now I know that I am, I'm trying to move on to more important life gains (social, family, financial, etc.)....

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I'm actually trying to make that work right now. Not the TRP thing to do, I know...

Well what have you learned? You're hot shit. Tell her you want to have her help manage the meat market.

Anyways, your post is obviously an inspiration for men everywhere. Consider making a whole post, talk about yourself and the changes, both physically mentally. Relay to men what you did in this small comment.

Your post drips with authenticity. Lots of guys like to sling around how great they do, but few post with the ups and downs and give an accurate portrayal of what it's like to be a man who is almost 50 in great shape.

Well, you can still pull 20 year old women. And plenty of 30 year olds, easily.

Rollo's SMV forecast was never proven wrong.

Again, it'd be great to see a whole post. Sometimes guys just need to see what it can look like if they're discouraged or cynical about the idea that they could be spinning plates in their 40s.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I will try to submit a post going into more detail sometime soon. I am definitely willing to share my process and what I've learned.

And thanks very much for the kind words.

Cheers!

[–]psychyness 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn. A real TRP success story. You're going to be hot shit on TRP, please don't leave us right away. Share your wisdom and inspire some of us before enjoying your new life.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I'm actually trying to make that work right now. Not the TRP thing to do, I know...

The TRP thing to do is what YOU want to do. If you'd rather travel the world with your multimillionaire LTR instead of spin plates, more power to you.

It doesn't sound like there are huge downsides to getting married to her if she's wealthy; she'll probably even ask YOU to sign a prenup.

BTW great info, thanks for answering all these questions.

[–]r4nd01 1 points1 points [recovered]

dude, rethink that, its totally a trap. if he doesn't make the kind of money she does, and starts accepting "gifts" or letting her pay for expensive trips and dinners, etc, he will be entering her frame. by throwing her money around, the alpha woman seeks to dominate and humiliate every man she can. she likes that OC (original commenter) is hot and improving himself and wants to see if she can tear him down.

for background, i recently divorced an alpha woman. i was showered with gifts, given a magic money card, taken on trips, all in exchange for validating a lunatic and allowing her to attempt to dismantle everything about me that she initially found attractive (aka "challenge" me).

All I'm saying is, don't marry a woman for her money. get your own money, its way better.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Tell me more sir! Lol I've been trying to think this through, and never been able to find someone with similar experience. She has already taken me on several trips and spent loads of cash on dinners and gifts. I really do like her though, it's not about the money, but I'm trying to make sure my judgement isn't being clouded.

[–]SocialJusticeWhiner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find that TRP advice is hit or miss. The older guys and endorsed contributors are usually pretty good but beware, most of the board is early 20 somethings that have read the theory but have little to no experience.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You should write a submission about your experience. I'd love to hear more about it and I bet many others would too.

I'm still having a hard time seeing the downsides. If she starts doing what you say she will, just walk away.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Dude, great comment and worthy of a post. I'm 45 and it's great hearing from another grown ass man. I'm about months into Stronglifts but I was a skinny fuck so the gainz are immediate.

How has it helped professionally? Or has it?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I need to make a career change big time. I'm completely certain it will serve me well in job interviews.

I definitely get a very high level of respect from anyone in my physical presence, and people that I know personally. All the things you'd expect.

I also have the confidence and willingness to try something on my own. Something I'm thinking hard about.

Thank you for the compliment!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the response!

Yes, it will help.

I see it this way.... it's well known good looking people have advantages in the work place. Lifting heavy makes you good looking.

Cheers!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good questions /u/sadomasochrist. You should be a professional interviewer if you aren't already.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Id bet he is swimming in poon

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (53 children)

Nice dude. How did you do that?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thanks. I lift 6 days a week, do plenty of other activities for cardio (cycling, climbing, yoga, etc.), current diet is Intermittent Fasting 18:6 plus "mostly" gluten free. Avoid processed carbs and sugars.

Then yeah...TRT and HGH.

Funny side note...that before picture is actually me celebrating losing the first 25 lbs and thinking how much better I was looking (yeah, scary)

Thanks for the compliment bro....

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (17 children)

I find fasting a very useful tool for maintenace too. a 48 hour bi weekly or even monthly one negates a few cheat meals and binge drinking sessions

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm all about fasting. Been reading a ton of the science behind, Dr. Jason Fung, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, Joe Rogan.

Obviously I'm not trying to lose weight or get much leaner, but I just feel fucking fantastic when my fasting is on point.

Hard to explain, but it's like my body temp is cooler when I'm not busy digesting food, I sleep better on an empty stomach. Start fast at 2pm daily and skip dinner obviously.

I also find myself going to bed earlier and getting up earlier, which is good in my case.

Still figuring it all out, but this post really hit home for me. I'll admit visible abs (getting lean) has been one of my long term goals.

[–]Darkistco 1 points1 points [recovered]

+1 dr fung, I visit the fasting sub and saw one of his videos that explain it very simply.

I'm a LOT younger than you.

plan on doing a long 30 day fast starting tomorrow and have some before and after pics like you. lifting the whole time. should be interesting

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

My longest fast so far has only been 24 hours though. I may have to try for 48 hours just to prove I can do it.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Of course you can. You'll do it easy, and laugh after. It is not a big deal. It seems so bad only because all of the discomfort associated with fasting is present no matter what, between when you begin it and when you end; but it's up to you whether you want that discomfort all in one go within 24h or you buffer it over 48h. A 24 hour fast is not much easier than a 3 day one. The same thing becomes stretched out more and the more days you're fasting the less the hunger bothers you in reality day-by-day.

If you go to 3 days and more, you might want to include a ramp-in and ramp-out for best results. Same number of days as the desired fast. Day 1 of the ramp-in you might begin by cutting down your portions a third, eliminating salt and meat. Still eating normally besides that. Day 2, eliminating fish & chicken and most solid food, portions smaller still, eating lots of quality greens, small amounts of nuts, porridge, making fresh pressed juices, herb teas as much as you want. Day 3 eliminating everything but the fresh juices (not store bought) and herb teas. Ramp-in finished. Thel fast starts next day, only water for 3 days straight.

Follow up with a 3 day ramp-out, exactly the same only in reverse order. The quality of produce you use during the ramp-out is crucial and the ramp-out stage itself is more important than the actual fasting days, so spare no expense to grab the best foodstuffs available. It all gets instantly incorporated all over the entire system, stressed by hunger it grabs anything and is not picky about it as it might have been normally, so the tolerance for pesticides and nasty stuff along these lines is dramatically lowered, but on the other hand the uptake capacity for quality nutrients is hugely boosted.

This method allows one to skip most of the unpleasantness of fasting, there is no particular hunger pangs or pain when going through the 3 days of only water, and that feel when you finally sip a little juice at the beginning of the ramp-out is priceless.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

clearly you know what you are talking about....why do you fast? how often?

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The same as you bro. What they call "intermittent" fasting has been the natural norm for me for a long time, happened by itself. Beyond that I would add a 24h fast weekly on Friday, just for general health and that feeling of inner celebration.

I go to 3 or 4 days maybe every 6 months, or whenever life isn't going too well and I want to push the reset button on everything. With these 3-4 days water fasts (plus 3 ramp in, 3 ramp out) I'm still splashing in the safe, baby part of the pool and that makes me feel like I can get max benefits out of it, with the least amount of health risk. It's a serious thing, you are setting a fire to yourself and burning from the inside out, but it's a good and purifying fire too. As you found out, some of the benefits are difficult to put into words altogether, you start to think and feel differently, most stress seems to fade away as childish and unnecessary, many things that I would not label as positives or have a word for, have later become who I feel I am, so I don't want to not have them. I have a plate who always notices when I fast and excitedly claims I even fuck her better & more ruthless. Ha ha.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yea I do it only for my physique and try really hard to find times when I can be working and excersizing only. Being busy help the time go quickly and it makes me less hungry the following few days. a reset on cravings and snacking for sure.

Not sure I like the phase in and out as it prolongs the pain but perhaps it makes the 2 to 3 days much more tolerable. At any rate, as you say, 3 days is nothing and those claiming its unhealthy or muscle wasting have no idea what they are talking about. As a matter of fact, the biggest and best I look is after a fast and a couple meals. It's like the first fluids go right to muscle first and pump you up.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thanks for the insight and motivation! Gonna have to at least get a 48 he fast soon. I'm sure you're right about that.

Related question, I have a theory that the best time for me to take my vitamin supplements is when breaking my fast. That my body is more primed to take up nutrients then, and less likely to piss it all right back out

Thoughts? Just a total hypothesis on my part....

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You're very welcome man. Amazing transformation pics, keep up the good work.

That theory about supplements might be well and true, but whatever else is in those pills will also be exaggerated, and if something about the supplement is not 100% trustworthy that might've been OK during normal use, but during the ramp out it would be poised to do you some damage.

The bottom line is that you'd do best to avoid anything artificial during that short time. Even innocent seeming shit like toothpaste, instead of you slushing it around and then spitting it out, some of it will be hungrily absorbed through the mouth, tongue etc. So instead of toothpaste on the ramp out days, you can intensively chew a big green apple, letting it massage the gums and generally around the mouth - then spit it out into the trash. Don't swallow even a single droplet of the apple juice, spit it all. Or brush with no paste.

A good vitamin supplement during that time would be nice organic berries, various fresh fruits, pomegranate, plain yogurt you trust, kefir. Try small amounts of bee pollen, once a day in the morning gather 1/2 of a teaspoon of the stuff, tip it over right under your tongue. Let it sit in there until it completely disappears (10-15min). That stuff is instant-absorbing energy and said to be the best supplement you can get during the ramp-out. Tastes a little reminescent of salty dried fish, if you like that - not too bad as long as you don't chew, just let it sit under the tongue and get broken down & absorbed by saliva. You can increase it gradually to up to a full teaspoon over a couple weeks. Some people get allergic reactions if the pollen quantity is too much too soon. It's a great supplement to continue as a baseline habit even when not fasting. I still pop supplements on the regular myself, like magnesium, just not during ramp-out.

[–]Lefeudufou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Great reply. However I would advise against cutting out salt. I find fasting much easier, and enjoy better cognitive performance while drinking salted water. Obvious you need quality salt for this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sprinkle salt in my water during fasts. lemon drop or 6 wont hurt too

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 0 points1 point  (1 child)

48 is nothing once you have done 72 or 96

[–]fromthecrypt8 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Glad you admitted to TRT and HGH, because at your age that transformation would be hard to achieve without it. Of course it still takes hard work even on TRT, so much respect to you.

Just curious, what were your T-levels before you went on RT?

[–]mountainbiker178 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What lifting program are you doing? As you doing the same program now as when you started?

[–]naneaem 1 points1 points [recovered]

Can you tell me more about that HGH? I heard it helps to boost height even after puberty?

I admit I once considered taking it

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't believe it can make you taller after puberty, I have never heard that before. Also, if you are younger, I really can't tell you what the long-term effects might be.

That said, for someone my age, I think it is like some sort of a limitless pill or fountain of youth. Like really amazing.

I'm on a very low dose. It helps me stay lean and burn body fat for sure. Promotes a general sense of well being, improves skin health, increases collagen production, and I'd personally say it helps me look and feel younger. Also pretty sure it improves sexual function in various ways.

Based on your question, it sounds like you need to do a ton more research to made a good decision for your situation though.Theres lots of good info out there from more qualified sources that me.

Good luck!

[–]ndestruktx 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Do you have any concern over the downsides of taking hormones?

[–]DamnDirty_Ape 1 points1 points [recovered]

The problem with HGH is that high IGF-1 levels have been shown to cause cell growth/tumors/cancer.

It's great when you are young and growing and have little accumulated damage to your DNA. As you age, it gets riskier to encourage a lot of cell turnover and growth.

At the very most you'd want to raise levels to moderate adult levels, nothing more.

Source: 2 physicians in the family, who could give it to themselves but don't to minimize cancer risks.

Also, fasting really cuts your IGF-1 levels, as well at taking Metformin. This may contribute to the life extending effects they both confer.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

You seem to know your shit. My understanding is it could encourage cancer to grow once you have it, but it doesn't actually cause cancer. Also they check for it in my quarterly blood work. PSA marker I believe?

[–]Mandaguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t we all have cancer floating around as damaged cells? Or perhaps better said, those cells become cancer once they accumulate and develop a blood supply. I’ve done no research but I’m curious how HGH affects these cells. Elsewhere in this thread you referenced accumulated DNA damage at your age (my age too) and I believe encouraging the death of damaged cells is one of the main benefits of fasting (and IF). Rhonda Patrick ftw!

[–]Mandaguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t we all have cancer floating around as damaged cells? Or perhaps better said, those cells become cancer once they accumulate and develop a blood supply. I’ve done no research but I’m curious how HGH affects these cells. Elsewhere in this thread you referenced accumulated DNA damage at your age (my age too) and I believe encouraging the death of damaged cells is one of the main benefits of fasting (and IF). Rhonda Patrick ftw!

[–]Mandaguy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don’t we all have cancer floating around as damaged cells? Or perhaps better said, those cells become cancer once they accumulate and develop a blood supply. I’ve done no research but I’m curious how HGH affects these cells. Elsewhere in this thread you referenced accumulated DNA damage at your age (my age too) and I believe encouraging the death of damaged cells is one of the main benefits of fasting (and IF). Rhonda Patrick ftw!

[–]ndestruktx 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You can't increase height once growth plates have fused. That occurs anywhere from 18-25 for most humans.

[–]naneaem 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm 23 and yeah stopped growing since 17. If there's a chance HGH can give a slight boost / spurt I'd be willing to try it

[–]fromthecrypt8 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Joe Rogan is full of HGH and he’s still short af.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I didn't know he was on HGH for sure, but I suspected it. Do you have a link?

I've only seen him talk about TRT.

[–]ronnie888 0 points1 point  (2 children)

can you elaborate on the TRT and HGH

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Sure, all of it is pharma quality through a local men's clinic.

I go in once a week for a TRT injection in the ass. 150mg/week is my dosage

I give myself nightly HGH shots under the skin on my stomach. Easy and painless.

Doing pharma quality through a men's clinic is safe and legal, but can get very expensive. There are "ways" to reduce costs...

TRT helps increase muscle mass, improves libido and sexual function, promotes growth of body hair (good and bad lol), and increases confidence.

HGH helps me get lean, burns body fat, promotes sense of well being, improves skin tone, increases collagen production, and makes me look and feel younger.

I also believe one or both of these cause women to be more attracted to me at some subconscious level. Pheromones maybe? I just think women want to be near me more, if that makes sense. Others have reported similar experience...

[–]1nowboarding 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When trying to gain weight is IF less appropriate? In your case it's working because you're still trying to lose weight? Would you keep doing it if you want to bulk?

[–]atm6311 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So only a 6 hr window? Looking good bro. What do you weigh now and what are your lifts like strength wise? Just out of curiosity. Been really thinking of cutting down lately but I'm one if the bear mode lifters OP mentions.

[–]pridebrah 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How much GH per week? Were you able to get a script from a doc? Been wondering about trying to do so myself.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yes, I am on pharma quality script from a local Men's Clinic. 2 IUs daily. I think going underground for HGH is a bit riskier, because it has to be refrigerated, and takes a long time to have noticeable effects. So you could get ripped off, and not even know it for months.

[–]pridebrah 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, I've been really iffy about the underground stuff due to contamination of generics and/or paying high price for pharma stuff but not knowing if its legit or not. How much do you pay per month for the GH at your clinic/pharmacy?

[–]1Ramesses_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Jesus Christ dude. Killing it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

One of the best transformations around,

Congratz

[–]well-ok-then 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The before pic could be me. I keep talking about losing weight and working out then I get distracted with work and chicks and bullshit. Mostly with not making it a real priority. Thanks for the inspiration

[–]Kalidane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Career success, chicks, and general happiness all race ahead AFTER dropping the fat.

Up to you to pick which of those 4 things to focus on...

[–]1TimmyTurnersNuts 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Damn, my boy went from “Can I sniff Cheetos from your ass?” To “new number who dis??!” Good shit man. Looking great

[–]stylesm11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Holy shit that is impressive

[–]redd_reality 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Fuck, you went from slob to respectable man.

Any major life events spur on the change?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

My low point was seriously, embarrassingly low. Like unemployed, playing video games, totally sedentary, no energy for my kids that needed me, and living off a cashed out 401K....Jesus Fucking Christmas it was a shit show.

By Christmas 2015, I had at least gotten a job, but still managed to achieve all-time fat @ 276 lbs. and looked awful. I decided enough was enough.

So basically I set a New Year's resolution for 2016 with the simple goal of working out for a month, to hopefully establish the habit and get some momentum going in the right direction.

It worked.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Only request is to Keep Posting. You'll find by explaining yourself the actual motivations that made it happen become clearer to you, and more importantly, a whole pile of introspection can unlock a new insight. Glad to have you here.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

mods should endorse this man

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mods should endorse this man

[–]soulcatcher357 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you think you could have done it without the TRT/HGH?

[–]redd_reality 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know man. Can you pass a test without adderal? Of course. Does it help? Of course, but you still have to show up and giver balls to the wall, eat clean as fuck, and change your mindset from a slob to an angry, meat eating boss.

[–]TimPartendale 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Congrats on your weight loss! Inspiring transformation and good luck.

[–]Celicni 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus fuck dude. Was this all natural or were you on something?

[–]_Chowdaddy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

HOLY SHIT dude your before is literally me now.

I’ve been lifting steady and getting my shit together after a lifetime of hamming it up, it it’s a slow process.

You’ve offered some solid inspiration - thanks for posting this.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wow dude, im seriously impressed...How did you achieve that?

Been trying to get shredded like this for long time and despite having good muscles nice chest i just cant get a nice six pack...I have an alcoholic tummy...Im lifting heavy weights, squatting (my ass got slightly bigger which is very important) i do push ups and my chest is pretty nice, i do a 3mile run every morning...But my tummy is still there, it doesnt get flatter and i have no idea why...

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 1 points1 points [recovered]

Well done bro. Been trying to get my buddy to do what you did. I'll show him this post so he can see that it can be done. He likes to tell me that I've always been fit so I don't know what he is going through.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That transformation is awesome. Rock that stubble or a nice beard and you will do well.

[–]stylesm11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Holy shit that is impressive

[–]SKRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If my uncle is any indication, you can still look like this at 60 and feel like 30.

[–]Rian_Stone 1 point2 points  (3 children)

how the fuck do you skin that snaps like that?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Lol what? Can't tell if you're asking about my skin or Snapchat haha...

[–]Rian_Stone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your skin. No stretch marks and it's tight enough to snap.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And THAT is how you do it.

I'm going through a similar process right now having just started back in the gym. I'm going 4 days a week doing the Kinobody "Superhero" program, slightly modified.

My biggest hangup is my diet, which I've cleaned up considerably. It's basically Keto + intermittent fasting. Weight and inches are dropping off my waist surprisingly fast. 2" down, 8 more to go.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

My waist went from 46 to 34.

I was asked to do a full post after this comment, which I did if you want more of the story.... "47/M two year transformation story" is the title...

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's extremely impressive and inspiring. I needed that....got half-way to my goal a year or so ago after busting my ass then became a lazy POS and basically started eating crap and stopped lifting. I turn 30 in July...going to try my best to get at least back to that halfway point. Thanks again for the inspiration.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very impressive. I’m in the process of doing the same

[–]Boovs4life 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about for skinny fat guys like me? I'm 6'1 at 17% bodyfat and although I don't look fat, I wouldn't dare take my shirt off. I used to weigh 135 and I looked like a holocaust survivor with how skinny i was. I "bulked" and i'm currently at 176. However, my arms and legs still look like twigs despite me making a lot of progress at the gym (Increased my squat 100 pounds since last year and bench by 60 pounds). I know I probably fucked up on my bulk by adding too much fat. Should I continue bulking and adding strength or should i shred the fat? My lifts are by no means impressive but I'm finally hitting some milestones like 2 plates on squats and I know that cutting causes strength loss

[–]samurai96 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Holy shit you are an inspiration. Please make a post asap telling us about how you're changed and what you've realized.

[–]u-had-it-coming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How far from incel? Any luck recently?

[–]the_real_lunch_box 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fuck dude you're a greek god. well done how long have you been lifting? any breakthroughs you sure must have struggled.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember your comment and pics from another sub. Impressive.

You should do a submission on your transformation from Pillsbury Doughboy to Macho Man. Looks like others have made the same suggestion, so add my vote as well.

[–]Mmontekristo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How much time did it take for you to transform between 2 photos?

[–]judexnoncalculat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That shit is strong as fuck. Respect.

[–]WorstDeveloperEver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, you made me so motivated. Kudos man. You look badass.

[–]TheMoreYouKnowRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is an insane transformation. Keep it up!

[–]jeromeantoinecarter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inspirational! Awesome job.

[–]chinese-bible 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Amazing transformation.

However I must say, "Dad bod" is supposed to mean Leo or Ben Afflec between shoots ... aka carrying 20 extra pounds. Not 75 extra. That's just average American.

[–]donkey_democrat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn you look like a grandpa in the first pic, then a hulk in the second

[–]1atticusfinch1973 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You just inspired me to work harder and look like that in 4 years. Great job.

[–]jinglebells89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Legitimately impressive. Congrats on that progress man.

[–]Ledoborec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clean af tho gonna be there soon!

[–]anabolic92 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You'd be immpressed how much your physique would improve if you shave all that hair off, to me it's a bigger change than going from 15 to minus 10 bf.

Edit: Just saw your trim, sweet. Also be careful to the advice you give in here to people as you are on PEDs, we are playing different games.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thanks man. I am trying to be fully upfront with everything that I do, let me know what kind of advice you think I should be careful of here. Honest feedback welcome.

I am definitely pretty enthusiastic that guys my age should be looking into trt. No doubt about that.

[–]anabolic92 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well TRT is still a taboo imo, complicated issue.

I've been B&C for a while already, other than some potential fertility issues I might face in the future, I regret nothing.

I think you already got my comment about advice, we're simply playing another game and we can get away with some stuff naturals dont.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

What's your stack and how old are you? I've got four kids and am snipped so I don't have to worry about fertility.

[–]anabolic92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the time I have been cruising @ 250mg Test E weekly.

Right now I'm on 500mg Test E + 500mg Tren E weekly, might start cutting soon so I could drop the Test E to 250mg and add some oral.

Regarding fertility, during cycle it is easy to go infertile, yet it seems that people always recover after a while. Heck see some of the bbers having kids and those man barely ever come off, there is some Boston Loyd (I think its his) fertility protcol that seems to work fine.

How is the GH? To me it's the biggest next game changer together with insuling, not wiling to use it yet because it's also kind of expensive.

[–]ripstell9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How you do it, in the fast, with protein and bcaa? So you consume that, in the fast?

[–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, congratulations!

I just have one question for you: how the hell did you avoid all the wrinkling/sagging after losing 75 lbs?

[–]HunterFbukowski 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit, sensational progress. Inspirational

[–]Kalidane 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sweet vascularity man.

I'm guessing you've noticed a bit of a difference in how strangers interact with you...

[–]Screensaver56 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Youre high if you think you are 9% bf.

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel 357 points358 points  (100 children)

I used to have an attitude of "give everyone a chance, everyone deserves respect." But after seeing the hard work my dad did to lose 50 pounds, and how much work I put into my own diet, I straight up have no respect for fat people. If you can't stop stuffing your face with McDonald's or fucking twinkies I don't have time to spare on you.

[–]AlexDr0ps 187 points188 points  (9 children)

Women only need to do one thing to be treated like royalty - be skinny. And yet somehow, we see whales on legs whine that they are treated unfairly by men. So dye their hair blue and march for equality. The fat acceptance movement is probably the only thing worse than feminism. Encourage being a lazy sack of shit and blame men for not wanting to give you their time. What a joke.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Because women can only function with a victim mentality.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yeah, but I keep seeing whales that complain about how many guys like them and who reject any decent guy that talks to them. I don't think it matters unless she's like 500LBS or sonething

[–]Gidanocitiahisyt 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Yeah my ex is 200lbs, when our 5 year relationship ended she immediately went and fucked Chad on Tinder (she described him as 'really, really, really hot'). Before we broke up, she always complained about how many guys hit on her.

So now it's up to me to put hundreds and hundreds of hours into lifting and dieting so I can hope to attain an SMV anywhere near what she can acquire just by sitting in bed eating icecream playing with her smartphone all day.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's so true. All of that. I'm fucking tired of it.

[–]Former_Judaizer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is what happens when you tell every guy to approach and get laid at all costs.

Dudes need to chill out, self-improve, and have higher standards for themselves and women.

[–]Kalidane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, put hundreds and hundreds of hours into lifting and dieting so you feel fucking awesome. The good stuff comes because of this.

If you were alone on an island for 2 years, which somehow had a sweet gym, would you even lift?

[–]CaspatheGhosty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and rise up. It is the only thing we men can do.

[–]bipedalsentient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think being skinny is just as problematic as the whales. Your hormones aren't at the most efficient level, and chances are you probably dont have any structural integrity.

[–]1GalcomMadwell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really baffles me how our culture has let obesity become a "body type" instead of a preventable disease.

I guess it helps companies sell more fast food and unnecessary medicine.

[–][deleted] 182 points183 points  (81 children)

Fatties are losers

[–]1cappadocianhawk 116 points117 points  (54 children)

I used to be fat, lost 100 pounds. I know it can be done, since I've done it. Fatties have no one to blame except themselves.

Turns out if you don't eat all the time, you lose weight. Who would've guessed.

[–]trancedj 77 points78 points  (2 children)

Told a fatty at work the same thing. Apparently dudes wife has been on his ass about losing weight. I finally gave in and told him “I know how you can loose that weight”. He starts making excuses before I even tell him. After telling me he can’t exercise because blah, he can’t diet because blah. I’m like dude. All you have to do is stop eating so much (IF). He laughed at me. I stopped talking. He’s still fat as fuck. No discipline. No drive.

[–]1cappadocianhawk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can't get anywhere in life without discipline and drive. These people are doomed to stay mediocre or worse.

[–]HappySmaug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last month I was walking into the gym with one of the trainers, he was carrying a box with him. As we pass the receptionist who is a lard ass the trainer turns to him and say "hey man...I've got some protein and creatine in here if you want some." Lard ass shakes his head and says "NO"! Here we have a dude who could workout for free, get free supplements and free fucking training. After seeing that I can't even look at lard ass when I scan my gym card.

[–]sirbassist83 45 points46 points  (14 children)

fatty at work asked me how i lost weight.

"eat less"

"but i get hungry"

"yup. no way around that."

"im going to try keto. that way i can eat as much as i want, but since im not eating bread or cake any more, ill still lose weight!"

good luck with that, you stupid asshole

[–]johnbranflake 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Keto works though because he won’t feel as hungry all the time and it will be easier to eat less.

[–]sirbassist83 19 points20 points  (4 children)

but he still has to eat less. he doesnt understand that. he also doesnt understand what a carb is. i tried to tell him to eat a pound of either chicken breast or fish, and as many green veggies, black beans, or lentils as he wanted to go with it, and 2 eggs for breakfast, but nooooo.

"fruit is ok too, right? its natural! its healthy just like broccoli!"

i gave up around that point

[–]Neddy93 7 points8 points  (0 children)

because he won’t feel as hungry all the time

Oh, but he will. Keto works because most of the cravings people have is for sweets, and when all that is prohibited, you just tend to eat less.

[–]ace15klos 1 points1 points [recovered]

A calorie is a calorie. Shit you can lose weight by just eating pizza, just make sure your caloric intake and protein intake (if you going gym) are on point.

[–]sam_the_dog78 7 points8 points  (1 child)

People are shocked to learn that I’ve lost 50 pounds and eat massive chipotle burritos all the time. Yeah because that’s all I eat for dinner and they have an excellent nutrition calculator on their website

[–]Kalidane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fucking lol.

Thanks for that.

[–]1cappadocianhawk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ate at about 70% deficit for 4 months with Keto. It helps with feelings of hunger and cravings, but you obviously can't eat above or at maintenance and expect to lose.

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered]

Same story, same opinion. I lost 185 lbs and even had to had two surgeries to get rid of the skin. Fatties are their own worst enemy.

Just like TRP: Don't try to help unless they ask for it and are dead serious.

[–]1cappadocianhawk 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yep, people keep asking me how I did it, and I tell them "I don't eat sugar" and leave it at that. Weight control is another red pill all on its own.

So many times people told me I was starving myself and was going to die. Especially after my bf dropped below 20%. The crabs are real.

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered]

Holy shit the crabs are real. When you are losing weight, people usually cheer you on. Right up to the point where your BMI drops below theirs. Now suddenly you are starving yourself and you are looking weak and sick.

Many guys find TRP and get told to learn about weight control. For me it was the other way around. Once I cracked the system behind weight control and suddenly felt utterly empowered by the control I gained over my own body and life I wanted more of it.

Improving yourself becomes an addiction of sorts and TRP is the club where you go looking for your next hit. This community will not sugarcoat anything, this sub is the very definition of an anti-crab-bucket where each and every crab is trying to show the other crabs how to escape the bucket.

[–]1cappadocianhawk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Very true. I pretty much replaced the food addiction with self improvement addiction.

At least making best use of my personality.

[–]p_and_q 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Im in the same boat but haven't had surgery yet. How much did they cost and was it worth it?

[–]hack3ge 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you don’t mind me asking what were the surgeries and the cost?

I was 355 at my heaviest and I’m 155 right now.

I’m pretty sure I’ll need to have surgery to fix some of my skin around my chest and lower abs. I don’t care about the money as much as the recovery as I hate sitting doing fucking nothing.

[–]reluctantly_red 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah. It wasn't anyone else's fault I didn't exercise much for 20 years and ate way too much pizza. I ended up weighing over 320 pounds with diabetes and a heart condition. I had weight loss surgery to jump start things but that only gets you so far (its considered successful if you lose 60 or 70% of your excess weight). I got down to 230 pounds fairly quickly. Now I'm having to ramp up my workouts to make further progress (lifting -- mostly basic heavy compound lifts -- and HIIT). I'm now 215 pounds and starting to look pretty good -- about another 30 pounds of fat to lose. I'm off all diabetes and heart medication. I'm 53 years old.

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered]

good to hear! Keep at it and I hope your skin is holding up.

[–]reluctantly_red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I trying to save some money for possible plastic surgery -- but so far not that much excess skin -- pleasantly surprised given my age.

[–]zmazo98 1 point2 points  (23 children)

Yeah, Not eating mixed with exercise helps. But how in the hell did you do that? I want to know, not going to lie, I'm a fatty! However I work on an asphalt crew as a shovel man. I can't find anything that works for me. Now low metabolism runs in my family, but it pisses me off when anyone who knows the family gives me the excuse that its genetics, because as everyone knows thats bullshit.

[–]JMW1237 1 point2 points  (14 children)

Water fast seriously it's the best and fastest way. So many other health benefits as well

[–]zmazo98 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Where can I find more info on it?

[–]JMW1237 0 points1 point  (12 children)

I'm really experienced, so feel free to ask me anything.

Jason fung and the snake diet are my two favorite sources, but honestly just google and go down the rabbit hole

[–]zmazo98 0 points1 point  (11 children)

OK great! I'll see what my research brings up, and any questions that I can't find I'll direct your way!

[–]JMW1237 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Life changing dude seriously. If you are fat you can literally fast four weeks and weeks and weeks and the fat (not muscle) will melt away. I'll be here if you need anything

[–]zmazo98 0 points1 point  (9 children)

So you don't take any food in? At all?

[–]1cappadocianhawk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Keto and intermittent fasting. It wasn't even hard. Did it all in 4 months, didn't feel the need to touch any carbs the whole way.

Now I eat much more carefully, obviously. But lifting heavy is your friend if you like eating a lot.

[–]zmazo98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know I need to start lifting, I like food too much to not be.

[–]Cmdrj-nice 18 points19 points  (0 children)

My suitemates are two fatties. All they do is sit in the dorm all day and watch movies. These two are the reason why I hate fat people now. Disgusting af

[–]soulcatcher357 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't recall the name of the show, but there was a British documentary on Netflix where they do an autopsy on an obese person pretty gross and at the same time enlightening. I think it is actually motivating me.

[–]sircomeseyesd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ive learned that saying this out loud with ppl around is a dangerous move.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

agreed. My follow-on thought is a little different but similar -

given the recent-decades discovery of keto (low carb, Atkins, etc.) there is no excuse to remain fat. none at all. doing Atkins eliminates cravings entirely, and people drop fucking weight. A person has to be either not looking at all for weight-loss solutions (ie, lazy), or, they just don’t give a shit. no respect for that.

[–]1OneRedSock 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Once you spend the amount of time to dig through the facts about diet (not fad shit, but actual nutrition balance) and spend the time finally reading nutrition labels, measuring and weighing your food, limiting your alcohol and sugar intake, and forcing yourself away from your previous addictive eating habits (oreos and goldfish for me), you really and truly begin to lose respect for people who just complain but never attempt to fix their shitty diet and physique.

You can give these people all the correct information -- whether in pages and pages of data, or truncated to a page of the most necessary bullet points -- and they would never, ever have the discipline and mental fortitude to reach the same outcome.

They are simply weak people. They are losers, because you cannot lift them up to better themselves. They don't want to, because bettering themselves requires agency that they either can't understand or don't want the responsibility of.

[–]doodo477 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From the scientific journals I've read we all have the same active metabolic cost once you control for lean mass and fat mass [http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0040503]. So if you remove the variable of exercise from the equation. Then the only variable left is calorie intake.

Control your calorie intake then you will lose weight, its that simple. Yes you can do it sitting on your ass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

My sister has been on the heavier side her entire life. I keep telling that her she needs to eat healthy AND exercise properly to lose weight. She claims to be doing both of those, but is still fat as ever. She also tells me because she's a woman it's harder to lose weight, and tells me to mind my own fucking business because I have no idea what it's like being fat. I have absolutely no respect and only disdain for her.

[–]doodo477 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Calories in is what only matters. Maybe she will be fat her entire life, maybe she won't why does it matter to you what she does? Shes a women after all.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (16 children)

15% is the max. Get down to 10%-15% and then bulk up. When to cut? When you go over 15%

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Don't focuss too much on %, just trust the mirros. Some guys are stage ready at 8% some are at 5%. My point being two guys looking equally shredded can have very different percentages depending on genetics and fat distribution.

[–]Lawojin 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Agree with your point. But don't trust mirrors. They are deceitful bitches. Your physique varies wildly during the day. Meal Bloating, pump or no pump, water retention due to carbs or sleep deprivation, bad lighting, it's better to trust statistical data

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's true as well! Bottom line eat clean, lift heavy, track macros and keep moving forward!

[–]btrpb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My abs are out to play in the morning. Then I'm eating for gainz all day long. Bloated throughout much of the day :)

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

At 14ish my clothes dont fit well. Everything is tailored so I have no choice but to stop eating til they fit again

[–]uwey 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Get it refitted?

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Sure, if i were a lahooooooser

[–]verotx 5 points6 points  (5 children)

you recommend cutting first even if you got little/no muscle mass?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yes for two reasons:

1 the biggest thing holding new guys back from gains is lack of faith. If you'd gotten ripped before, you would wait patiently for the gains. You haven't been ripped before. You're going to need to see gains as they come in or you will quit. This is only possible with a low body fat %

2 you have higher level of testosterone when you have less fat. Gains will be bigger as well as more readily noticable with a lower body fat %

[–]verotx 7 points8 points  (0 children)

thats what i thought. I probably have my newbie gains a lil (i lifted casually for almost a year now) but my bf was a little too high for my liking so im cutting pretty hard. i just dont wanna look like a stick.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If you are skinnyfat and untrained, you should be putting on muscle and losing fat at the same time. Noobie gains are legit - and so are "I got fat as fuck after being in shape" rehab gains.

For example, in 2015 I was 225 lbs at 6'2', and about 24% bodyfat. Fat, but I had been rationalizing my weight because I was strong and still felt like I looked solid, and I was still getting female attention. Hamster overdrive.

At this point cutting is the obvious answer, but even on my cut, I gained some muscle mass because I increased by volume and intensity on the cut too, and I was only cutting about 400 cals a day. (Leangains / 16-8 style protocol). So in about 8 months, I had lost only 28 lbs, but I gained strength and muscle mass to test in at 15%. By LBM (lean body mass) was up a good bit. And I was / am a intermediate lifter.

You will get some noobie gains on a cut. You will not burn fat on a bulk. So the skinnyfat guy can totally rehab his body into something respectable in 6 months on a cut. On a bulk? He'll gain good muscle but he'll also gain fat.

Cut to leanness, then stay lean. I cut to 10%, I don't like to go below 10%, and then I bulk to 14%-15% and then immediately pull the plug and get back on a gentle cut. I don't really go extreme cuts or bulks, max of 500 under or 300-400 over.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

do what works for you. for me who likes a few normal eating days each week fasting works

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easy to identify with this - Especially that hamstering part. I was huge and strong and my GF back then said she really liked me as I was (later found out that she wanted me to be fatter because she was insecure about my good looks) and I still got IOI's so I got positive reinforcement constantly until I saw myself in my friends wedding photos. That was the moment I realize "Ok, I'm not only big but I'm now fat too".

Cut from 240 to 205 in about 13-14 months while improving strength levels a bit.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (17 children)

What about muscle loss? I’m trying to cut down but want to retain as much lean mass as possible. I have a solid 30lbs of fat to lose

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (14 children)

Ill be honest. When cutting you won't make strides with the weights but if you keep lifting hard you will maintain most if not all if the muscle and strentgh.

And you will look way bigger

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The longest I’ve ever fasted was twenty hours, how often should I fast? And for how long?

[–]Proto_Sigma 9 points10 points  (1 child)

A lot of people highly recommend Intermittent fasting. Have a 16 hour off period when you don’t eat anything at all and an 8 hour period where you take in whatever you need ( less is more, you are cutting after all). Do that every day.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Check the subreddit to educate yourself and see what works for you

[–]jy432 1 points1 points [recovered]

thats some straight up bullshit dude. You will not look bigger on a cut.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

fat bastards who bench 150% tgeir weight and squat 200% at 19% look way better at 14% even if those lifts drop 10%

[–]360_no_scope_upvote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hit your protein intake for your lean body mass and lose fat slowly. If you're losing over 2.2 lbs a week you're also losing muscle. Calculate your TDE and hit those calories religiously, count every calorie, anything that goes in your mouth except for water.

[–]meaningintragedy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slow cut.

[–]wooksarepeople2 46 points47 points  (15 children)

If you want to drop weight and keep it off go on the KETO diet. Fucking works wonders.

[–]tnegaeR 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Underrated comment

Keto takes IRON willpower

[–]wooksarepeople2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have a cheat day once a week with whatever I want. I'm still setting personal records in weight lifting. I'd say I've probably gained muscle since I started and I still get to keep my abs. The willpower is nothing when you see the results. If people can't handle that they don't deserve a six pack and solid muscles. They can starve themselves like chicks do.

[–]ATPsynthase12 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Keto is almost impossible to maintain long term without going on cheat day binges. For most people anyways.

Go ahead, never have pizza, beer, bread, sugar, or anything like that ever again. Or be that guy that has to bring 3 chicken breasts from home when you go out with family because you can’t eat the same foods as normal people. I’ve been there. It fucking sucks and I’ll never do Keto again.

IIFYM and a calorie deficit has worked well for me. It may not be as effective as Keto in the short term for shedding lbs but it’s maintainable for long periods of time.

[–]giggity23 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Keto is the only diet that works with my autoimmune disease. So I am prepared to do it for the rest of my life

[–]CalfReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cheat days without huge binges are fine. Just don't overdo it and definitely don't do it in the first two months because you're still adjusting

[–]wooksarepeople2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people are fat. I have a cheat day every Sunday and don't go over. People who can't do Keto lack will power.

[–]basebool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ccompletely agree. I don't think you should be depriving yourself for short term gains. Find a diet that you can actually be on board with and dont go overboard with cheat days. You may not see results as fast as keto but fuck I'd rather not be as miserable.

[–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Holy fuck I could never cut below 14-15% It was just hell, I lost a lot of strength and size, and felt like shit, I was so damn hungry all the time. Now I cutted almost 30 pounds down to 10% (And the leanest I have ever been since I was a teenager) and I never felt hungry, I actually won 5 pounds on my bench press, and almost didn't lose any strength on my squats and deadlifts.

[–]wooksarepeople2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a month in and can see my abs again after getting a beer belly. I've been continually keeping personal records in weight lifting without a problem and if anything I look more muscular.

[–]miserablesisyphus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've done Keto, but I get the best results with just a low carb diet. I eat fruits and vegetables, but still do a high fat diet. I'd say my carb intake is about 100 g a day, which teeters on keto. Each person is different and one of the main reasons Keto is hard for me is because i'm lactose intolerant. If you can eat dairy than keto is a lot easier.

[–]wooksarepeople2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fucking cheese is life in Keto.

[–]party_dragon 75 points76 points  (39 children)

I've never needed to eat breakfast. I recently discovered that I don't really get hungry throughout the day if I don't eat. So skipping both breakfast and lunch has become my go-to cutting strategy (we'll see what the longer-term effects are, but so far it's going well).

There are so many diets because people's minds work differently. You need to figure out how to hack/train your own mind.

[–]Fragosus 50 points51 points  (0 children)

You are fine. You are basically doing your own version of intermittent fasting, and that shit works wonders for a lot of people.

[–]chloness 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I am like you. Once I start eating I am hungry. If I just skip till evening then I can enjoy a larger meal which keeps me going. Only thing I do is protein powder after morning weights.

[–]Neddy93 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I didn’t eat breakfast all through middle and high school - you’ll be fine. That whole “most important meal of the day” nonsense was just a campaign by the cereal companies in order to get people to consume more shitty breakfast meals.

[–]party_dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. I don’t understand how anyone could think that cereal is healthy... or tasty, if it weren’t for the sugar. In general, why would your “breakfast food” be any different than your “lunch food” or “dinner food”?!

[–]iknowthewhey 16 points17 points  (1 child)

There is a diet called the "warrior diet" out there that advocates this diet. It states that the most natural way of eating is the way you eat and that it has to do with primitive instincts and insulin sensitivity. The author advocates one meal a day at night and "under eating" during the day which is basically eating nuts and fruit and such until your evening meal.

I agree that breakfast is unnecessary. I don't do the whole diet though when I workout in the morning because I believe its important to have fuel for your workout and protein sources immediately after.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For my morning workouts, I just drink 25 grams of protein before, and another 25 after.

[–]360_no_scope_upvote 13 points14 points  (23 children)

This is also a great way to lose muscle mass though. Unless you're hitting your daily caloric intake at dinner and night.

[–]ace15klos 1 points1 points [recovered]

As long as you get the protein you need your muscle mass loss will be minimal. 150 grams of protein on a cut and you should be more or less sorted.

[–]party_dragon 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Well yeah that's what happens during a cut.

[–]360_no_scope_upvote 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Losing a little bit is normal if done correctly, losing alot is a sloppy job

[–]wooksarepeople2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yea people don't need to compromise that shit.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If you’re of healthy weight, active, and wish to lose fat, aim for 2.2–3.3 g/kg (1.00-1.50 g/lb), [of protein a day] skewing toward the higher end of this range as you become leaner or if you increase your caloric deficit (hypocaloric diet).

https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-i-need/

I gained strength and muscle mass while on a daily 1000kcal deficit last year. I lost 14lb in that month while adding muscle and numbers to my lifts. Its possible. I fasted 20 hours a day and had 160g protein a day inside my 1500kcal calories. I also only cooked once - a huge 50litre curry. It was extremely efficient but took huge focus and I had the bandwidth for it at the time.

[–]tlaatonmai 0 points1 point  (1 child)

what a horrible way to live life lol

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not as bad as it sounds.

Fasting is great for losing weight as you have less ghrelin spiking - the hunger hormone. Days 4-10 were toughest but you adapt quickly and it got surprisingly easy.

Cooking a huge batch of food at once was useful as getting 150g protein in 1500 Cals is actually quite tough unless you plan it. And I hate calorie counting. I also fail more when I calorie count.

This method really was the pain-free and lazy way to lose fat very fast without any muscle loss.

I did a write up here if people want to learn more: https://archive.fo/nSxNN

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m the same way, no problem skipping breakfast and a light lunch, just eating one big meal a day for dinner. Works wonders for staying lean.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are so many diets because people's minds work differently. You need to figure out how to hack/train your own mind.

Yup and winter time is the best time to figure this shit out in my opinion. Once i figured out my diet the gains came in strong and most the fat burned off pretty easy. Now it's just the small amount covering my abs and mid section.

[–]TimPartendale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought I was the only one! I’m never hungry in the morning and I’m very rarely hungry by time lunch. I could probably sustain myself off of a yogurt or a piece of fruit for most of the day.

If I’m hitting the gym I’ll have a protein shake post-workout. I feel like I have to force myself to eat otherwise.

Coworkers and friends will ask me constantly how I’m not hungry.

[–]omjagvarensked 0 points1 point  (1 child)

To me I am skeptical about this. Isn't your body essentially just always in starvation mode? Can you still think clearly or have as much energy to go about your daily tasks at optimum efficiency? Doesn't your body tend to use up muscle mass instead of fat when you enter starvation mode?

As I am only just starting to look into diet and exercise myself, I am also wondering about the complete contrast of this diet found in Asian cultures, where you eat between 7-10 small meals throughout the day and basically have you metabolism constantly grinding. This is apparently the prime reason why there are fuck all fat Asians in the Eastern world.

Please give me all your insight

[–]party_dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

starvation mode

No idea. Some people think starvation mode is amyth. Others say that it’s all fine if you’re “resetting” your hormones every so often by having cheat days/refeeds. Recently some have been promoting fasting as a way to achieve autophagy, a process where your own body destroys damaged cells, as a way to slow down aging.

Who knows. Experiment and figure out what works for yourself. Personally, I do just what I said above - skip breakfast and lunch. I still snack, but mostly low-calorie fruit; I just snack less, because skipping lunch makes me less hungry. It also prevents me from getting sleepy during the day (I don’t drink coffee). I also avoid sweets, as consuming sugar makes me want to consume more sugar. Finally, I’m having cheat days often as I don’t let my diet interfere with my social life, so if someone invites me for lunch, I’ll eat lunch.

So far so good. I lost 4lbs in a week with minimal mental effort. Some of that might be muscle, but I’d prefer to be lean rather than muscular. Still have like 10lbs to go!

[–]Rian_Stone 60 points61 points  (13 children)

You sound like the hamsters at MRP who think having a great job makes their wives pussies wet

My sides! triggering two fat birds with one stone

[–]Cmdrj-nice 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I don't understand how men can deal with seeing their wives get fat. Good thing am not getting married. It is pathetic

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah, marriage is not worth the risk. I mean my mom and dad both keep themselves in good shape, but I have seen/heard so many examples of women who just gain weight in a marriage and the man basically has to deal with it.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

If one highearning chubbyhubby hears me and realizes his wifes panties cream for the lean muscular pool boy than its all worth it.

See Marla Maples banging her bodyguard on a beach when Trump away.

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

There is noone at MRP “preaching” that income wets panties or that being fat is OK. There is one guy whose BMI has crept up towards the high end who is concerned about it (me). I have never seen anyone at MRP suggest anything like what you have said.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have never seen anyone at MRP suggest anything like what you have said.

I don't understand this statement. IMO less BMI is better. I know game can overcome some, but only so much. BMI creep up is the enemy of masculinity.

[–]SoulRedemption 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That's odd. I doubt MRP would be naive enough to be boasting on these lines. Is that 'great job' line just for animation?

[–]Rian_Stone 0 points1 point  (2 children)

New guys lead with it often

They don't know yet

[–]SoulRedemption 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They'd be up for a rude awakening. Least hopefully they will be informed by the MRP veterans.

[–]Rian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rude awakening usually comes before asking for help

[–]vast_rightwing 1 points1 points [recovered]

being nitpicky but 15% can look better with a shirt on than lower percents, if you're in the right musculature range. When I was newer to lifting, just enough weight to add size to my frame without diminishing my shape was perfect. And it makes it easier to add muscle. Obv leaner looked better with the shirt off.

That being said, now that I dont look like a stick at 10%, its the clear winner. A little extra definition and vascularity can beat an inch on your biceps for most chicks.

[–]refusewool 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I looked great at 15 when I was cutting down from 18. I suddenly hit 10 and everyone said I looked ill. Much better shirtless, ten times worse in a shirt. 12-13 is my sweet spot.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 8 points9 points  (4 children)

You weren't wearing tight enough shirts at 10% then. As I cut down I constantly lose more and more wardrobe, I'm giving myself 2 months till I need to revamp everything.

I'd suggest getting back down to 10 and getting some new shirts, you'll probably have to tailor them and just deal with tighter T -shirts

[–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

You don't want tight tshirts, just get tshirts that fit well.

Nothing looks worse than a tryhard in a tshirt that's obviously tight to show off muscles.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely want fitted over too tight try hard. But fitted shirt will feel tight, at least they did for me, because I was use to such baggy clothing for 30 years of my life.

[–]refusewool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re probably right. It’s a hassle having to maintain two wardrobes worth of clothes.

[–]MormonRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not nitpicky. It's common knowledge in the bodybuilding community that you look worse in clothing at low bf, even for the huge guys. For further info, here's Jeff Nippard talking to AlphaDestiny about "bear mode". When I saw low, I'm talking about 8-10% vs 14-16%, not 15% vs 25%.

[–]Red_Faust 20 points21 points  (9 children)

My normal state if I don't lift and fast is around 21% bf. Given my height, build and facial aesthetics, I look good with that bf. Good enough to have several MLTRs at each given point in time and enough rotation to lead a happy sexually varied life.

A few months ago I resumed lifting (after recovering from a serious injury), made my diet a couple notches stricter and started fasting hard (warrior diet, I eat only once each day, after lifting)

Long story short, I'm at around 16.5% bodyfat now, with some muscle below it. In pubs & clubs my IOIs go through the roof, and my last Tinder date, the very second thing she told me was "wow, you're handsome".

I've made my personal crusade to lower that to 12%. Why?

Because science, bitch:

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1751/20122495.full

From the article: "All facial and body measurements were linearly related to attractiveness, except body adiposity, which showed a curvilinear relationship, peaking at a body fat percentage of 12 per cent."

So 12% BF seems to be the statistical best bf% in terms of attraction (some women may prefer higher or lower but surely one won't go wrong aiming for 12).

So I've made my personal crusade to reach 12% body fat, whatever it takes.

And I would recommend anyone else to do the same if you really really want to turn girls' heads and trigger a sea of IOIs you can capitalize on. Or just to look and feel real fucking good because you deserve it, you tiger!

P.S.1: I measure it using a normal bathroom weighing machine with bf% capability. Inaccurate as fuck but useful for tracking your trend (up or down?). However comparing my body to reference pictures on the intarwebs it looks that the measure is not that far off. Optimization with more accurate and expensive methods shall come later (when I can see my abs). First the foundation then the details.

P.S.2.: I've kept two plates during the whole transition (meaning these two have known me the whole time, while others came and went). Now both of them orgasm faster and harder. Coincidence?

P.S.3.: Notice that I am a former fatty and even as a little kid I was a fatty. T2 Diabetes runs in my family, I am very insulin resistant and normal food makes me fatter than the average person. Also I'm in my early 40s.

With this I mean you don't need to be as spartan as me to achieve the same outcoumes. I play the diet game in Nightmare mode. If I've done it, you have no excuse.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If I dont lift and fast, I look like Seth Rogen

[–]NitricTV 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yo where can I read more about the warrior diet? I’ve been stuck at 17% for the longest.

[–]Red_Faust 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Leangains - https://leangains.com

I do leangains (but with a specific weights routine since I have an injured back).

I lift fasted, eating some BCAAs to prevent catabolism.

I eat once a day, after the gym. I eat paleo (veggies and lean proteins). You can get results with a bigger Intermittent Fasting window. "Warrior diet" is just an intermittent fasting where you eat once per day (i.e. instead of 16/8 or 20/4 I basically do 23/1).

If you want to get over a plateau you can do a 48-hour fast. I read about them from Ludvig Sustrom, here:

https://www.startgainingmomentum.com/the-2-day-fast/

I've done 3 of them to push my body farther, I'm not doing them anymore because my stomach seems to have shrunk down and my single food intake seems now small enough to keep losing fat.

If you wanna try it, don't do the 2-day fast when you go to the gym! The day when you don't eat is recommended to be a rest day.

Addition: the 2-day fast is really hard on the psyche. That's why I save it for breaking plateaus, reverting a setback or special stuff like that. Normally I prefer to just eat once a day (which by itself is already a willpower challenge) and enjoy it and keep it going for longer.

[–]u-had-it-coming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is "IOI" and "2 plates" and plates orgamsam, what?

[–]tibikush2012 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What build and what height do you have?

[–]Red_Faust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In imperial metrics, 5 ft 10 in.

(Currently ~74 kg, 16.5 % bf)

I put on mass quickly, be it fat or muscle, so being relatively ripped looks good on me even with a little body fat.

(Though this is not an excuse to cheat, and I am working very hard to lower my bf to the most attractive levels)

[–]Wolveryn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the 'skinny-fat' dudes thinking this doesn't apply to them :)

[–]Maybe_Imlying 14 points15 points  (8 children)

So lift and fast, sounds good.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

throw in some stretching and light cardio on the fasted days and you will crush it

[–]pevans12 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Nothing wrong with jumping on a treadmill on its higher settings and going on for 20 second sprints, and taking a 30 second breather in between and jumping back on.

Gets the body flowing nice and provides a decent enough after burn to carry you when you are done lifting.

I always looked forward to the after burn and sweat. Followed by a cold shower.

That’s when you know your burning and rocking a flaming core.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When your body is flowing, you enjoy the after burn of a rocking, flaming core?

[–]pevans12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you are maximizing your heart rate without stimulants you can feel the hot blood rush through the body. That’s called working hard. Your entire body is warm but the core is warmer. It burns fat.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What's light cardio in your view?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is weight loss and maintenace are done with calorie deficits. Personally I ride a cycle 2x a week

[–]lancer000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget to get alot of protein in... Too much unplanned fasting can lead to loss of gains bro.

[–]RedPilledRoaster 71 points72 points  (17 children)

Good fucking Lord. Fuck fasts. Fuck retarded ass eating programs. Just fucking calculate your maintainence calories and eat 500 calories below that everyday for 6 months. It’s not that fucking hard.

Edit: Reason why I sound so pissed here is I’ve had to deal with people telling me they can’t this can’t that and they just say they’re going to try some special fast that loses fat quick.

A water fast will work but you’ll lose a lot of muscle in the process plus it’s not realistic for people who didn’t have the discipline to not get fat in the first place.

[–]ATPsynthase12 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A water fast will work but you’ll lose a lot of muscle in the process plus it’s not realistic for people who didn’t have the discipline to not get fat in the first place.

Not to mention it’s not maintainable for long term weight loss or maintenance. When you go back to eating like garbage you’ll just pack the weight back on.

You mean to tell me you’ll never eat carbs again or keep fasting until you die? fat fucking chance.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

500 cal deficit a day works. I never said it didnt.

I did say there is another way tbat suits my lifestyle very very well

[–]Tie5o11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A water fast will work but you’ll lose a lot of muscle in the process plus it’s not realistic for people who didn’t have the discipline to not get fat in the first place.

This isn't what the sciences says at all. The human body evolved to induce autophagy and ketosis (breaking down fats and dead/dying cells during periods of calorie and carbohydrate restriction). Muscle is basically preserved until you fast for a very long period of time. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to grow muscles during a fast, however.

I intermittent fast quite often (16-20 hours), and swear by it. I'm around 10% BF and have been able to maintain most if not all my muscle mass from my 15%+ bf days.

[–]KekistanRefugee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finally some fucking sense in this thread. I inadvertently did intermittent fasting for 2 years. Granted I never gained weight even after eating like a trash compactor, but I realized it’s all about calories in, calories out. Eat less than you need = lose weight. Eat more = gain weight.

Just gotta find that balance.

[–]eccentricrealist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every diet is a way to reach this deficit anyways

[–]avngr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right. There are plenty of ways to loose weight. If there are two things I tell people they have to try in their lives : mushrooms and water fasts. My last 7 day fast was a game changer for me. I don't do it for the fat loss. I do it for the profound mental clarity. It's a deep, spiritual experience for me but, also keeps me lean. Regularly I do intermittent fasting. I eat once a day save for training days where I have 2 eggs after the gym in the morning. I would recommend looking up info by Dr. Peter Attia, Dr Dom D'Agostino, Dr Rhonda Patrick, Coach Charles Poloquin, Martin Berkhan. There is also some interesting research being done at Johns Hopkins on psychedelics and fasting. [email protected] bw right now

[–]FatmanO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Worked for me something like that, with about 56lbs lost in 7months. I easilywent from 3 to a 6 with that

[–]laylowwww 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Agreed, lean > fat and "jacked"

[–]jy432 1 points1 points [recovered]

this thread is bullshit. Fat is 15%? Give me a fucking break. I feel like OP doesnt even lift. Post a pic or im calling straight up bullshit. Whats up with the obsession with barbie doll thin waists on a male? TRP preaches lifting. Anyone who lifts knows you are stronger when you’re higher % body fat. Im not saying to bulk to 25% bf but you can bulk up to 15% bf and not look like a fat fuck. You bulk, you cut, rinse & repeat. Thats just how it is.

Post a pic or im calling bullshit.

[–]Raeksis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Completely agree in all aspects.

Also, the point of redpill is becoming the best version of yourself that you want to be. If you feel better at a higher bf because you look bigger in clothes and are more stronger and powerful then why the fuck does it matter? Girls will sense that confidence you have in yourself and be attracted to that.

Some people on here are too obsessed with what other people think about them and that's beta as fuck tbh

[–]3trplurker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the never ending game of one-upmanship. Just being 15% isn't alpha enough, now they gotta push it lower and lower and just make up bullshit cause interwebs. The latest trend has been removing essential body fat entirely from the equation and thus artificially pushing their BF% down about 4~5%. Someone who was a "fatty" 15% BF can now with a simple recalculation be a "cut" 10% BF without leaving their computer desk.

Anything under ~12% starts being unattractive due to looking inhuman. Under 10% it gets worse and around 8% it's now into the grotesque territory. Under 8% and serious medical issues start happening due to insufficient insulation between the muscles and nerves.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Most guys(and women too) think that because they aren't a complete and total lard ass that should be featured on the show My 600 Pound Life, that they are fine, that they can eat what they want and not worry about it, that they aren't fat.

If you are over 15% body fat you are too fat. Period. No red pilled man should be above 15%. Bulk up to 15% max and then cut. The higher your body fat %, the more caloric surplus gets partioned as fat instead of muscle.

Spare me this "herp derp all that matters is getting big herp derp" garbage. Any man looks better the closer to 10% body fat he is. Show me a man who looks better at 20% than 10%. Yet I see so many guys here on TRP claim they get more pussy at 25% body fat then they did under 15%. Either you drastically lowered your standards and are getting low quality women, or you are lying.

It's like the guys I see at the gym who wear muscle cut off shirts and act like they are all big and muscular because they are big. Dumbass, your arms aren't big because of muscles, they are big because they have more blubber fat on them than a walrus.

Lastly, if nothing else, lower body fat has its biggest impact in your face. Your face at 15%+ body fat is soft, less angular, less defined and therefore comes off as far less masculine and attractive. Lose the weight if nothing else for the sake of your face aesthetics.

[–]Iwannachokekatie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

After a week of mostly just protein shakes, I got significantly leaner. I'm like 8 pounds lighter and look bigger than before.

Now I'm excited to load my glute with tren and fast for another week or so.

[–]meaningintragedy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Show me a man who looks better at 20% than 10%.

A man who doesn't have much muscle. 10% on him is like anorexia.
I was so much better at 17 with muscle than at 12 without muscle.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Show me a man who looks better at 20% than 10%.

A skinny fat guy who weighs 150 lb at 18% body fat. If a guy like that cuts he's going to go from looking average or normal to being a complete scrawny twig don't think the cut is worth it in that case.

[–]ATPsynthase12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A trained weightlifter at 15% body fat looks much different than a guy at 15% body fat with no muscle mass whatsoever.

But for the general population what you say is correct

[–]notonlyplace 10 points11 points  (6 children)

15% body fat means I'm to fat to have high smv? I know husky guys, who look good with a little belly, in fact women flock to them.

This post is just made for guys with low self esteem, and just hurl insults. I'm not saying be a slob, but you don't have to look like a model or be shredded to turn heads

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

it means your smv can improve going lower

[–]ATPsynthase12 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I think what he is trying to say is at what point is the trade off not worth the gain of a little extra pussy and superficial validation from vapid sluts?

Dieting to sub 10% body fat for me is fucking miserable. I’m looking at cardio 3-4x per week and my normal weight lifting program on a 1200 calorie diet that is borderline on Keto. I couldn’t maintain that for extended periods of time even with the iron willpower of a god, frankly it wouldn’t be healthy. There is a reason why body builders don’t stay near contest weight year round.

I don’t think it’s worth it to turn an couple extra heads.

Personally I’ve been training for close to a decade and my body fat tends to hover around 15%. I’m in a relationship with a 9/10 and I get laid multiple times per week. I’m not hurting for pussy because I look good and I take care of myself.

Your post means well, but a lot of people are getting irritated because you’re saying “this works for me, therefore it is gospel. Do it or your a blue pulled beta cuck”. A better approach is to get them 15+% bf couch potatoes in the gym.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

people are getting irritated

They are irritated for a very good reason. Wanna guess what it is?

[–]jy432 1 points1 points [recovered]

Starve yourself and stay shredded & be in a piss mood. All for that pussy though right mang?

[–]Viramont 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I honest to god want to see someone who’s doing the water fasting meme and post actual results.

I always hear about all the weight they lose but I’m 100% sure they look like a flabby deflated bag of shit and put the weight on immediately when they start eating again. And it’s only obese fatties that promote it, just like keto.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Why not try it and see for yourself?

[–]Viramont 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Would rather do it the legitimate way instead of taking the fatty shortcut and completely ruining my body

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Why do you think not eating 1 to 2 days will ruin your body? Where did you learn this nonsense? Why not try and see for yourself?

[–]Viramont 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Kek I thought you were endorsing the retard method of fasting by going weeks without food. I’ve done this fast before.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

never have i gone mor than 72.

i did 48 10 weeks in a row and dropped 25 pounds though

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been doing intermittent fasting and it's been great for not just my body, but my skin and other aspects of life. Definitely recommend it. Stop eating at 8:30PM - 9PM and start eating around noon or 12:30 PM

[–]r4nd01 1 points1 points [recovered]

the only way i can fast and still maintain mental focus at work is if I take amphetamine tablets. with that nugget of dark magic, I can easily get through days with only 1000-1200 calories. Pretty exhausting though, and much discipline/moderation is required. Hippies are always talking to me about fasting, but they probably don't have demanding jobs or obligations so they can pull it off without my kind of 'help'. ...but they usually look like shit anyway, and fast for 'spiritual' purposes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do well fasting when busy. to each his own. I avoid when my kids around as i have a short temoer2

[–]TheDialecticParadox 4 points5 points  (4 children)

This is the first time I've heard of 'water fasting' and I've had skin in the game for a while. Sounds like another crock of unnecessarily stringent dieting protocols that will just lead to a yo-yoing physique. It shouldn't be that complicated. Having a good physique is as simple as putting in the hard work. No fasting bullshit required.

I imagine that half the lifting/diet posts on TRP would be invalidated if pictures were to go along with the post. Most are probably by chubby 'powerlifters' or skinny DYEL bros. OP if you posted pictures I would certainly be more receptive to your suggestions, especially before and afters.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

and TRP sounds like misogyny but we here know very different

[–]eccentricrealist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just reached 40 lbs dropped, the difference in how people treat you is insane, and I've still got like 15 to lose if I want to really look lean. Trust me, life is more delicious than any cheeseburger you could eat when you look good.

[–]1Entropy-7 6 points7 points  (10 children)

I don't disagree but have to make a sideways comment to put it all in perspective.

I recall some agency saying that something like 15% to 25% is reasonable for a guy. In other news, guys who are overweight but not obsese tend to have higher n-counts than slimmer guys, so go figure.

We say "lift" because 2/3rds of guys are overweight and a good third or more are obese. You don't need to go crazy on this but watch your diet and hit the gym 3 times a week to get your BF% to 15 and BMI to 25 and you are top 20% right there.

I am Canadian. All your rippling abs don't mean shit when you are wearing a parka. If you are in SoCal or Miami then there are certain subcultures where beach wear is the norm and pipes and 6-packs will get you somewhere. I live in Shenzhen, just north of Hong Kong and at the Tropic of Cancer. It is rather conservative here and there is no beach culture. A simple 0.9 waist to hip ratio will get you where you want to go.

[–]1by1is3 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I think you don't understand how BIG the difference it makes in your facial aesthetics when you are 8-10% as opposed to 20%. Visible, sharp and defined jawbone, and slightly hollow cheeks increase SMV even if you are under a parka half the year. The facial expressions are also more pronounced as the muscles in the face are not hiding behind a thick layer of fat.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Well ya, if you are porcine then that shows in your face, but if you are in the normal range and your have decent facial aesthetics you are doing fine. If you are ugly then hollowing out your cheeks is not going to help much if at all. Sure, don't be jowlly or have a double chin but a nice hair cut and properly groomed facial hair will do way more for you above the neck than getting down to 8% BF.

[–]1by1is3 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You don't believe in evolutionary psychology then if you don't think that a lean face is more sexually attractive than a non-lean face. Anything over 10% bodyfat is actually unnatural with pre-modern diet and activity levels.

And the whole point of losing fat is that you don't need gimmicks like a nice haircut or groomed facial hair to create an illusion, low bodyfat is sexy even if you are shabby.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Again, if you are not a fat fuck you are doing ok. Pudgy faces obviously look worse than those on guys who have their weight under control.

The only seemingly credible reference I found online says Body fat attractiveness had a bell-shaped curve. The most attractive men had 12 percent body fat.. That would imply that anything under 10% is just as unattractive as anything over 14%.

[–]1by1is3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

hat would imply that anything under 10%

No that is an extrapolation only you made. Nothing in that study suggests less than 12% is less attractive, infact the study is arguing against higher fat % as attractive.

If you want real world examples: Most male models are lower than 12% bodyfat. Most Hollywood actors shaping up for a role are also lower than 12%.

You are simply hamstering your 20% bodyfat now.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) No I am not hamstering because I know I have to drop 10 pounds and add some muscle.

2) Do you understand what a bell curve is?

According to the results, less than 12% is sub-optimal.

I dunno, if you can find any credible studies to back up what you are saying, I will read and evaluate them.

TRP isn't about how male models do things because those guys are doing things just fine.

I will grant you that you have a sub 10% BF - and man to man I applaud you.

My point is that your strategy is not the optimal strategy, at least for not most guys.

Most guys are not male models and will never be male models (are you ?)

[–]Vince_McLeod 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We're trying to attract women not homosexual men thanks mate.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some people call anal sex with men beautiful!

[–]666mafioso 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You sound like a fucking vegan / crossfit religioso and this reads like a copypasta. Leanasfuck? Lmao your probable body type is the underwear model magazine twinks. Get lost loser 😂

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I eat tons of meat. I dont do much cardio as its not very important to my goals. I also copied zero and wrote it in about 10 mins on a train coming back from a client meeting on my phone.

My body type is more Highschool QB

and I wrote that for the folks following along. You I hope dont listen to a word I say as you already know everything so best of luck buddy

[–]S-Blaze 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Train your neck too, it's one of the most underrated part. A thick neck boost your manliness and smv tenfold. Always exposed, always in sight.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

any tips on how? I do upright rows and shoulder press....

[–]zeekt12 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Neck curls,neck bridges. Check alphadestiny on YouTube, big advocate of it

[–]RPGeller 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I feel as if Alphadestiny is like the GayLubeOil of youtube fitness

[–]zeekt12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He has great content regarding neck training, which I've personally watched and can recommend. Not to discredit other YouTube channels that I'm sure have great neck training content such as athlean-x

[–]KekistanRefugee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I built some badass traps and neck muscles from swimming.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As someone who has been on /bodybuilding forums for a while now.. it is basically known knowledge that a buff neck is genetic. For example I got a buff neck. I dont do neck curls. The "neck curl" fad is new and only been around for a few years due to Alpha Destiny hyping people up. Im not sure there are any legit evidence of neck exercises working for people. Shrugs seems to be the only legitimate exercise to show neck gain results in a safe way but its a byproduct of gaining trap size.

Theres the old adage of wrestlers strengthening their neck for their sport, but even then it seems a reach to say they added size. The argument is that you have a higher chance of damaging your neck than gaining size on it.

[–]S-Blaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've never been a big believer that genetics plays that absolute role. Muscles will grow as long as you train them and feed properly and the neck is no different. People with pencil necks probably just never exercised it enough through sports or training. Mine grew exponentially in the span of 1-2 months just doing neck curls with no weight on the side of my bed.

[–]iknowthewhey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you made this post. There's too many fat guys out there thinking they are tough and big. You're just fat bro. Any man above 15% body fat needs to lose weight as their primary goal. I constantly hear the excuse of "bulking" but you build the most muscle around 12% anyway. Anything above 15% is just lack of self-control.

The best thing you can do is buy a body fat scale on amazon. I got one for under $30 that records and tracks every stat such as body fat, muscle mass, etc. They aren't exact but they can get pretty close. Every day there are people claiming to be 10% Bf but they have never even measured their body fat.

[–]kingbraderz[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I’d have to say the only exception I know of IMHO is Jonah hill he just looks weird skinny but medium fat Jonah hill definitely good looking

[–]jimbad05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could be something to do with loose skin on his face. He used to be pretty big.

[–]PhaedrusHunt 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How accurate are scales that tell you BF%? I was surprised by one recently. Because although I've been leaner at times, I was surprised to see I was a bit over 20% as I can still see my abs.

Gotta go easy on the IPAs 😂

[–]TheOneWhoDidntCum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DAmn this article is so right, I'm 20% and it's disgusting, hitting the gym won't suffice while on the beach, time to shred to 14% at least, i totall agree on 10% it's brutally hard!

[–]AnonymonThrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Water retention plays a big role too. Being a fat planet certainly makes that worse, but you’d be surprised how much fatter 1-2lbs of water can make you look, especially on your face. The most attractive guys usually have faces that make it almost impossible to look fat, even if they actually are fat elsewhere. I’ve had people ask me if I had a face lift just from losing less than a pound of water weight from water retention in my face.

[–]washington_breadstix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And let's not forget that many of us are also too skinny to have high SMV. Fat people at least get the occasional overt reminder that they are not attractive. But no one ever tells the skinny guys that it's not good enough for a man to not just be fat. You have to be lean and have some visible muscle.

[–]BrokenHero408 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I Defo got more ass while I was eating like shit, drinking, hitting the clubs while blowing money than I am now focusing on the gym, internships and bettering my self being lol many many variables but being obese def isn't good for you mentally or physically let alone your ability to pull a broad.

[–]altlegend 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I would say I have a good case of 18% bf because I look proportional af. My calves are the same width as my neck and I’m 215lb. Undoubtedly it’s not enough but I am aiming at 12% or less. I could still win a hb with what I say and the Honda I wear on my neck. Still room for improvement.

[–]hodltaco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cut the carbs, the beer, the sweets.

[–]Hussy68 1 point2 points  (1 child)

here we go guys this is the EC that says he is fine with only lifting 125% of his body weight. You want to build muscle properly eat alot of food. Give your muscles all they can take. After that if you reach your desired body weight, recomp.

[–]grvst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Upvoted for the water fasting, it's my go to method while cutting

[–]ElijahBurningWoods 1 point2 points  (2 children)

1.5 months ago, I met a personal @ the gym. I became friends with him and thought: why not give it a try? In just one month of lifting 4 times a week and eating pretty clean, I went from 16% fat to 11.3%. I was pretty blown, how fast that went. I started seeing my sideribs and abs again.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

why not give it a try is a great outlook to have for all sorts of things

[–]ElijahBurningWoods 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, before TRP I used to think about things, but never take action. You should always try new thins, even if no1 is supporting you.

[–]redpilledcuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. Rippetoe be damned, girls love abs not flab. What was the saying, "abs are like catnip for women"? And they're also over half your torso. Work on getting them to look good.

[–]tibikush2012 1 point2 points  (2 children)

13-17% body fat over a body that can lift heavy weight doesn't look bad at all. When I was with visible abs my success with women was lower than when I simply had a flat stomach and some fat.

In a healthy male with normal fat % the fat goes to the belly and the shoulders and it looks good. I don't find the veiny look attractive (and so do many women atleast where I live).

[–]3trplurker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you cant see abs and veins in your neck and forehead and arms then you are a fatty

This is incorrect, fatty is 25% BF for males 30% for females. Males want to be under 20% to have an attractive look. The 12~15% area has been demonstrated to be the most attractive with anything under that starting to look more and more grotesque and inhuman. Women don't walk around with calipers and eyeballing is horrifically inaccurate so that idea is dead in the water, instead they are judging the general health and ability of the male. So looking inhuman is a huge negative and bulging veins and muscle magazine physique is unattractive to the vast majority of females, instead a well muscles healthy appearance scores the highest in every study ever conducted.

What's likely happening is you are removing entirely the essential bodyfat needed to keep yourself breathing and thus reducing all your numbers by 4~5% to make them look more shocking.

[–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

And dont guess your bf. Go test it and learn it because its always way higher than you think. Most guys cant believe what it takes to get to 10%.

Don't waste money testing your body fat. Girls can't tell what BF% you are, they can only tell if you have visible abs. Your scales and mirror are the only things you should hold yourself accountable to.

[–]JcHgvr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No one at 15, 18 or 20% body fat has fat on their forehead. It's literally one of the last places to store the fat at.

veins in your neck and forehead

I don't see how a vein neatly separating my forehead in two is going to improve my looks.

[–]bouncypoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol , feel like this was written by a female lol

[–]bicboi52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit is true. As a junior in high school I barely lost my virginity to a decent looking chick. I was 250lbs at 5’9” but I could squat 500 bench 405 and deadlift 500. But like op said I was fat as hell. My senior year after football season I decided to go on a hella hard cut. At the start of senior year I was 240lbs and had been with 1 other decent looking women. By the time graduation cane I was a lean 175 and all the girls who wouldn’t give me the time of day started hitting ME up. All I did was get in shape and that alone got me women. I started college lean and had at least 10 women I could call for sex whenever I wanted. As college progressed I got fatter and soft and guess what I lost the ladies. Low and behold I cut again and the women came back.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

This is very true. I used to go to the gym a lot, took roids and got 'big'. But I had body fat. So I just looked large, not ripped.

Fast forward 10 years, after giving up all that gym bullshit and getting into hard road cycling, I am about 6% body fat, ripped, tanned and fit into a small T-Shirt no problem. I am technically skinny, but Tour de France skinny. And I get a LOT more women than I used to when I lifted all the time but stayed fatty.

There is bit of a vibe on TRP that you need to lift. You don't. You need to be fit. This can be achieved through whatever exercise you want, but you need to do a load of it.

Slim and fit > Bulky with fat. Just look at how mad women go over pro footballers... they are never that bulky, rather they are light, fast and endurance based.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How dare you use real life examples of your personal experience!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, yeah what a bastard I am. Not sure why my comment got downvoted; it is the truth of what happened.

Low body fat is very attractive to women. I don't care if the fatties don't believe it. I'll just carry on having success with women.

[–]Black_m0ngoose 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Girls didn't even start snapping me unsolicited nudes until I reached 9% bf, despite my lifts staying relatively the same.

Girls don't like fatties who can lift heavy, they want to feel rock hard abs as you slam that cheap pussy.

[–]upyoars 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You don't have to be fit or have a good body to have high SMV. You can be short as fuck, ugly as fuck, fat as fuck, and still be alpha/incredibly successful with girls. For guys, it's a lot more about confidence, behavior, tactical knowledge, and personality than looks. Admittedly.. it's much much easier to feel confident and have an alpha personality if you have good looks, because humans rationalize the fuck out of everything. So basically, it helps, but it's not absolutely necessary. There are other ways.

[–]BornShook 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If you're a fat ugly guy who never works out, youre not getting laid plain and simple. If you groom and wear really nice shit maybe, but probanly not

[–]2mental_models 1 point2 points  (1 child)

SMV comes from having value and having game.

Value comes from 1 of 2 places Looks or Status. To have 'high SMV' you need to be exceptional at one of those 2.

Game comes in with market positioning and leverage and proper strategy. Not talking about game in the sense of pickup artist talk. Game is basically applied strategy.

I can tell you that even though I have superior insight into SMV, that I have low SMV. It's a market place out there, not a classroom or a debate club. You have to actually have value and then use it.

[–]BornShook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure thing you can have game as a fatass ugly fuck, but there are barriers to entry into the market. You need social proof to have good game, and a fatty with no game is going to be constantly rejected, thereby never allowing him to fully enter the market.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What if I have abs but no veins for some strange reason

[–]Son_of_lakes 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where can you get BF tested?

[–]BornShook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look it up online. You do a bunch of measurments, height, weight, muscle cirvumfrence, etc. and type it into a calculator

[–]Brickles09 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I run 10K in the morning in 55 minutes daily, would the snake diet, or the 44h fasting, be advised to me? Thanks.

[–]Darkroast42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lift, OMAD (One meal a day or one hour window), and you should be good

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

try and see what works for you, adapt and learn

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course bro, we’re all gonna make it. But it’s still best to just eat at maintenance and recomp when you’re starting out in the gym. I made the mistake of cutting when I started, looked like a skeleton and made slow strength gains.

If you start off bulking, you’ll gain more mass, but it will fkin jiggle. Maintenance until hard plateau in gains, lads.

[–]kejflk34jlkd 1 points1 points [recovered]

Well, since I don't go to the beach, I'm happy being 16% body fat. I look way more jacked and clothes fit better than when I was 10%.

[–]IchBinEinMclovin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im not

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to the gym to bulk up. I was only 147LBS with a gut too for some reason, but I could look normal if I sucked my belly in. I started eating more and drinking lots of protein shakes. Basically consumed twice as much at least.

I still lost 20 lbs in my first few months hehe

[–]lorum_ipsum_dolor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lord knows I'm overweight. TRP's been a great wake up call to get my shit together and get healthy. It's going to take a while but I'm worth it.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post to start April off, Now is the time to cut down and switch to Hypertrophy based work outs to have the right body for the beach during summer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only excuse you should have if you're at a heavier body fat is if your bulking, and only if you are going to burn it off later.

[–]insanity_wow27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea if this would work or not. It sounds totally plausible but I know there will be conflicting studies. I'm tempted to give it a try.

[–]ViktorCage 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What the heck does mean "lift hard" for most of you? Everyone says LIFT HEAVY AND HARD, but in what percentage? 70%? 80%?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do 18 to 25 sets each workout. Approx 5 to 7 reps per set. All compound movements

[–]ViktorCage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Today I had leg day, so for the warm-up I banged 30 reps. By the time increasing the poundage, I did 15, 8 and 7 reps. By the time I started to do leg press, I triggered a huge migraine and I left the gym because of it. I also mention that I took 5g of creatine and that made me nauseous and I felt a huge pressure around the side of my head. How bad that could be?

[–]11-Eleven-11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fix your posture also while you're at it.

[–]BillSander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. I've been fast g for months now. Takes the weight off.

[–]royer44 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I currently have a %11 body fat but I'm in no way muscular. I'm starting the workout path of my life this week and I'm not sure if i should keep my current state throughout working out or should i strive to gain more? I'm 5'8 150lbs

[–]lapdawg100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a lot of guys are pretty athletic and strong. you may have good performance in the gym / whatever sport you're into, but unless you're competing at a professional level, no one really cares. how you look matters. being lean and fit means you look good in a suit, in a t shirt, and naked. i love this post. BMI doesnt matter as much as leanness does. if you're 6 foot 190 but a fat piece of shit, you dont stand out and no one cares. if you're 6foot 190 and look like adrian peterson, then yeah you're gonna turn heads. stay lean folks

[–]0mnipath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fastest I ever lost weight was with one meal a day diet. It was something like 15lbs in 2 weeks.

[–]Ridicatlthrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This bf scale only applies to beach towns. In a place like ATL i get complimented by ladies at 18% bf

[–]plowzedong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Posts like these are why I read trp.

[–]Chamblissw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nigga you’re wilding you should be slapped for the abs comment. Bitches love my chub, and probably hotter than anything ya had

[–]Lotek752 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6'4" @180lbs. I have the opposite problem.

Gotta get to lifting, I know...

[–]TheEnglishman28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fuck you just say about me, you little bitch?

[–]naIamgood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I cut the first year and went from 156lb to a very lean 140lbs but I had skinny arms and looked really weak at just under 5'10. Second year I started lean bulk and went from 140 to 165 plus. Still bulking around 170lb. My belly size is decent but got a little chubby on face. I will eventually cut in a year or so hopefully after I get to 190lb.

I definitely like the lean look but I also believe that it only looks good on you if you have decent size muscles especially arms and good height to go with that otherwise you look like a skinny faggot.

Point is your life is long enough to try both and then make a judgement. What is this fight about?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there is no fight here...I lift hard. Im just saying without low bf, its not as good as it can be. not even close

[–]fanthor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OBJECTION.

At least another half of you are too thin to have high SMV.

Being unable to see veins means nothing compared to the fact that you are 30lbs underweight

Other than that, yeah

[–]redpilledcuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah? Then how is fat fuck David X able to slay so much pussay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTOEIBsJuEI

[–]aolders 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm kind of in a dilemma.

I'm lifting, but I'm still rather skinny with 73kg. According to my measurements and the information form several calculators I have 13% bf, but at the same time I still have a small belly that looks like I'm becomming pregnant. Do I now have to "eat way more" like everyone says here or do I have to cut to an even lower weight first?

[–]JensenMse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obesity is truly a huge problem when it comes to SMV, but don't overlook the other side of the coin: being skinny. I have been a skinny dude for most of my 20's and the side effects are not great. I hardly had any strength, was bullied all the time, couldn't concentrate on anything, and girls would repel from me all the time. I could only get lad if a girl had some interest in me. I was the typical skinny Blue Pill nerd.

Then I started lifting. I learnt how to swim. I tracked my diet. I gained 15 pounds in the last year. Ever since I started lifting, Ive gained a lot more attention from girls, and more opportunities have opened for me.

Bottom line is: LIFT. Whether you're a fat behemoth of lard or you're a skinny praying mantis. If you want that slice of the sexual market cake, you need to look the part. Just turned 28 today but I feel like I'm 20!

[–]yomo86[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Bodyfat is overrated such as BMI when you lift. Look in a mirror and just ask yourself is that really what I want, can you see at least a 4-pack then everything is fine. Some guys look like an Auschwitz tourist when they go under 10% some guys look like an aspiring sumo champion when they hit 15%. My take on it is, be fit for your sake only.

[–]Blanketsniffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference in the face when compared with %15 to %10 bodyfat is insane. You can make your body look leaner by designer clothes but not your face.

[–]Juggernaut_is_here 0 points1 point  (0 children)

good point bro..will have that in mind....need to lose 5 kilos ...trt is the key as user /u/NotMeAtAll2091 has noted

[–]LeavingHumanityBehin 1 points1 points [recovered]

And dont guess your bf. Go test it and learn it because its always way higher than you think.

No, it isn it. I thought I was 16%, turns out I was 13% when tested.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I bet you felt so good writing that

[–]mountainbiker178 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This post really got me thinking. I had been bulking and making fair gains, but since reading this, I decided to cut. Thanks!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And thats what we do here....we share advice that works. Some guys try shit and change their lives Others consider and may pass.

Then there are those whose ego got bruised......

[–]Constatine7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If your not careful a water fast can really fuck up your health.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ill delete my posts. thank you Mr Normie

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