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47/M two-year transformation story

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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Intermittent Fasting is legit. I dropped about 20lbs last year doing that with not a single other thing changing. Granted as soon as I fell off that wagon the weight came back and I'm starting it all over again, this time doing a modified Kinobody routine.

usually start my fast at 2 p.m., and break it when I get up the next morning. I go to sleep earlier and easier on an empty stomach, sleep well, and awake early and refreshed at 5:30am most mornings. This helps me get my shit done at home before my kids get up. IF improves my energy levels and I rarely have sinking spells in the afternoons anymore.

For me I do the opposite. I don't even eat until 2 or 3 and give myself of shorter window to eat stopping around 6 or 7, largely for the same reasons you cited (easier to go to bed), which gives me an average fasted period of about 18-20 hours. Some days I can go 24 hours or more without issue depending on what I last ate and how active I've been. Sitting in front of a computer all day doesn't lend itself well to being hangry during work hours, especially if you're drinking all your water.

One of the side effects of this is it makes me sharper at work and I can focus better. The general hypothesis is that being in a fasted state means we are facing starvation and our brains are wired to focus to give us an advantage for finding our next meal sorta thing.

[–]pevans12 149 points150 points  (0 children)

I wanted to just express how honest and deeply cool it was for you to put yourself out and have a real honest scope as to the things any man regardless of age needs from themselves

Congratulations dude. You are living now.

[–]Arhamzubair 94 points95 points  (1 child)

Congrats dude! Seriously well done

[–]forwantofnot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What he said. ☝️

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered]

There is one crucial detail in your post that no one mentioned in this thread before. 90% of your entire post has nothing to do with women.

Only at the very end you grace the topic of your success with women because your priorities have clearly shifted. Your post is so inspiring not because of what you did or who you fucked - you improved yourself for the sake of becoming a better man.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yeah women were a result of everything else I did. I didn't feel like going into details and field reports or whatever.

If your SMV is high enough, it will happen for you. It's that simple.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is why wet say that women are a lagging indicator!

[–]khiara22 1 points1 points [recovered]

SMV?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SMV?

Sexual Market Value. Someone didn't read the sidebar.

[–][deleted] 526 points527 points  (61 children)

As one of those who encouraged you to make a headline post, well done, sir.

For all you hamsters out there, this dude's legit. This is a grown ass man in his 40's turning his life around.

You're in your 20's. What's your excuse? Never mind, get to fucking work, no one wants to hear excuses.

[–]Joriko13 98 points99 points  (1 child)

You're in your 20's. What's your excuse? Never mind, get to fucking work, no one wants to hear excuses.

Rephrase to, "you want to change, what's your excuse?" Then preach it to all who are willing.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Agreed entirely, have an upvote, just playing to the audience.

On some level, you almost have to be a grown man to realize how badly the OP was fucked. We have kids around here who live in mom's basement fapping to porn......not good, but not even slightly as bad as where the OP was.

[–]_TheRP 60 points61 points  (14 children)

Keep in mind OP is on testosterone. You can do a lot with some drugs.

Still, the work is admirable. Good on him.

[–]adam_varg 1 points1 points [recovered]

150mg test and 2iu of gh can do a lot for anybody, but 47yrs old dude after life of fucked up lifestyle wont get that much edge on it compared to natty 21yrs old.

Basically it allows him to do his crazy volume of physical activity and burn fat a bit faster (nothing dramatic and he still needs to be in deficit and eat clean like natties).

I know because i make doping plans for endurance athletes and as such they use similarly low doses of AAS and GH sources.

[–]_TheRP 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I have a friend who is a doctor and was also a baseball player. The way he put it to me is that TRT puts you at the high end of normal for a man in his prime, or somewhere close to where you are at the tail end of puberty.

That's a pretty significant boost. Obviously that alone didn't help OP reach where he did, the diet discipline alone is very impressive, but what he did would not be possible for people without the Rx.

[–]adam_varg 1 points1 points [recovered]

Its way bigger boost than you describe ;) genetically lucky healthy man in his prime dont have these levels 24/7/365, it fluctuates all the time and you tank it down with tons of things: long cardio especially when regular, undersleeping, alcohol, stress and so on.

However his transformation in similar time frame is possible for 'all' men under lets say 35.. except the not getting lose skin.

Saw similar transformation more than once and where i live hrt isnt a thing.

[–]_TheRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like I said, the high end of 'normal', and you're right - it's all the time. And that's at a low dose like what OP is on.

Black market test in all variations is available pretty much everywhere in the world, at least everywhere with Reddit. The use of test, prohormones, winny, var etc by average guys at the gym is rampant, for more rampant than people realize.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree with you 100% brother. Cheers!

[–]_TheRP 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Cheers to you too, you'll find that maintenance is ten times easier than getting there!

[–]dermaxmustermann 1 points1 points [recovered]

The work is absolutely admirable, especially considering the timeframe.

The OP gave a good primer on the downsides of supplementing testosterone and GH. Especially the huge downside of it being very difficult to get off these treatments once you've been on them for a while.

47 is still young, and once you start using testosterone and GH, you've played the only trump card you have. Personally I'd consider it would be more beneficial to delay the moment you need to resort to such things as long as possible.

[–]WinstonMcFail 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're crazy.. he's 47 and you think he's too young for trt? Lol. Did you miss the part where he totally regained his life and confidence back? A large part of that is his test use.

[–]adam_varg 1 points1 points [recovered]

there is no issues with getting of GH, like zero

test is trickier, 1-3yrs to recover after prolonged use or when unlucky

gh will make only some types of cancer grow faster

there is zero documented cases of anyone getting permanently infertile from AAS use (but there is big possibility it can take up to 3yrs and money to preggo some girl up).. even 'the harshest' of steroids without HCG along arent reliable enough as preconception

his ball shrinkage is due to too low dose of HCG, if doses correctly his balls would be fuller than natty

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Just noticed that last sentence lol. Gonna up the HCG!

[–]badleveragetst 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just be careful upping hcg as it will also raise E2 which might throw you out of whack. You might need to add an AI in. As always, labs are key

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thanks for the advice sir. How long would it take for that to show up in my blood work? I get it done every 3 months regardless.

[–]badleveragetst 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6 weeks or so seems to be the norm

[–]championoflesun 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wish I had more thumbs so I could give more upvotes. This is badass.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And to the fatasses in their teens and 20s, here's a 70something year old man who will put you all to shame. If he can do it at his age, there's no excuse. I'm just over half his age and I have all kinds of aches and pains, so I can only imagine what he has to deal with on a daily basis, and he's still in the gym kicking ass and taking names.

Your back hurts? Fuck you and lift! Your knees hurt? Fuck you and lift! Your shoulders hurt? Fuck you and lift!

https://betterhealthkare.com/72-year-old-whose-body-put-men-half-his-age-to-shame/

[–]smirk_addict 72 points73 points  (0 children)

I have been waiting to read this since your post the other day. Worth the wait. Empowering as fuck. Brb about to run through this fucking wall at my job.

[–]JLHumor 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Congrats. It's so drastic that it looks like it couldn't possibly be the same person. That means you did well.

[–]nailsinch9 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Nice job. Very inspiring. Few questions:

  1. Work? What do you do for a living, how did it affect your lifestyle. Meaning, would you just go from work to gym, or gym before work... etc.

  2. Did you self teach both diet and gym routine (google search/books), or did you seek out professional help at any point?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I got all my information off the internet. No personal training really, just 2-3 sessions total. Plenty of helpful advice from my gymbros too.

I'm an IT Project Manager, total desk job lol

[–]jawndergone 8 points9 points  (3 children)

how do you like being a PM?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Well I'm pretty good at it, but I don't really want to do it anymore. Been thinking really hard about doing something else. Part of this whole transformation thing you know...

[–]malparido9 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Love it... There's no stopping now! Transformation of mind, body and soul. Become the best version of you, one day at the time.

[–]jesussexyabs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’m in the same boat with my engineering job thinking about going a different direction but not sure where yet. Hopefully not another desk....

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 24 points25 points  (13 children)

Thanks for the submission; I was hoping you would write up your story. This should serve as excellent motivation for everyone to get their act together. I especially liked the fact that you gave the pros/cons of TRT and HGH.

Also thanks for turning me on to Dr. Jason Fung. I'm reading The Obesity Code now and I can't put it down.

So how do you balance work/kids/gym/LTR? Or are you retired now?

Also, it looks like you were heavy enough that you might have had to deal with loose skin after losing the weight. How did you deal with it if at all?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thanks brother!

I'm going to have to read the Obesity code, I have just read a bunch of his articles, and seen a couple of videos.

I will say that I have a job with an unbelievable work-life balance right now. I manage a team of people all over the world, so I can do that from pretty much anywhere, including the gym lol. However, I am needing to leave this job for greener pastures and I know it will be more difficult for me to get in my time at the gym when I do so.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

As for loose skin, I have a tiny little bit around my waist that can be seen at certain angles. I am very hopeful that intermittent fasting and autophagy in particular well help kill that last little bit of unneeded skin.

I think maybe the HGH helps with that as well.

[–]adam_varg 1 points1 points [recovered]

It did and lot, like most of it considering your age.

From what i have seen it takes 2-3yrs before its time to throw in towel and get loose skin cutted off.

[–]mmishu 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Have you noticed any facial structure changes on trt and hgh? Or is the dosage not high enough?

[–]WinstonMcFail 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Luckily for you, you will find that it's not all too difficult to maintain what you've built so long as you stay in the test. Drop the test and then things become very difficult. Nice job btw.. congrats. Don't know you but am happy for you. Very few people have the discipline to do what you did man.

[–]1redHussar 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Be carefull with Dr.Fung and his book. Although he has a lot of good tips and success behind him, his "insulin obesity theory" is incorect.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Got any links to good refutations?

[–]1redHussar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Dont have exact links but check out Layne Norton Youtube channel (biolayne) and Lyle McDonald site (body recomposition). I especially recommend Biolayne series about weight loss and fat metabolism.

[–]Chemoley 21 points22 points  (28 children)

Absolutely motivating. Any feedback from the ex-wife?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

She knows I'm out of her league now and is filled with blinding raging jealousy of my new girlfriend, who is extremely high status.

I try to keep things civil since we are co-parenting 4 school age kids, but she's kinda toxic and it's hard.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

co-parenting 4 school age kids

1,000 more props, dude. You're taking all of your responsibilities very seriously. I don't have any kids so I don't have anything to say how now to manage it, but props for doing so.

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

Not sure about the terms of your breakup with your ex wife but I always advise fellow divorcees over 40 with kids to make a friend/ ally out of the ex. I did it and it has changed my life and the life of my kids. I went from a hostile/ toxic relationship to a relationship where she will do practically anything for me. If I asked my ex wife to come over, blow me, clean my house then transfer $100K into my bank account, she would simply ask which of those I would like her to do first. Making an ally out of your ex is not even hard but it does kind of depend on why you broke up. I can show you how, PM me if you like or I can put it here in the comments.

[–]ImHerWonderland 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Hell this would be an awesome post that I would love to read to be honest.

How about, taming the beast

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

It was s long and difficult process. Not sure that I am ready to share that much of my life in the internet. I did write a post about how to divorce your wife. That covers most of the theory

[–]ImHerWonderland 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Perhaps I should have elaborated:

Making an ally out of your ex is not even hard but it does kind of depend on why you broke up. I can show you how

I meant this part would be an amazing post. I will check out your post on divorcing your wife though, as the theory is what I was interested in.

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[–]modTheRedPike[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Approved, but ANY hotlink in reddit will get nuked by automod, so use archive.is.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Might as well put it in the comments!

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

First I need to know about the circumstances of he break up

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

We were married 18 years, had four kids, but had grown apart. I was typically beta AFC, but nothing like I was at my worst. That came after the divorce.

I caught her cheating, and left immediately. I had cheated too, but never got caught.

We have been divorced for 7+ years now, and I don't have to pay child support or alimony anymore because of an inheritance she got. She was a SAHM when we were married, and is set for life with her inheritance and so doesn't work still.

We got along great for the bulk of this time, even as I started making progress on my transformation, but she really blew her top with my new LTR, who is high status and very wealthy. We have taken several trips together, the kids really like her, etc.

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

Sounds like you are half way there. Just game her emotionally. If she blames you for anything just repeat certain mantras and obviously never lose frame: “we had a long relationship but it is over now” “we need to cooperate for the sake of the kids” “your happiness will always be important to me, you are the mother of our kids” “we need to act like adults and set a great example for our kids”. If she blames you for anything just use fogging “sure I could have done things better” “I wish that never happened” acknowledge her but do not act submissive. Don’t blame her for anything even if she is 100% at fault, just say “people make mistakes”. I an convinced that impenetrable frame, game and mantras will work, did it myself.

[–]Mukato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

great fucking advice here!

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I gave this a shot last night! I think it's gonna work lol. I just need a bigger list of mantras....

[–]WinstonMcFail 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Hey man do you mind sharing what types if professional pics worked best for your on accounts? It's something I'd like to do but I'm a bit lost on how to go about it. Finding a photographer, do I get head shots or have this follow me to the beach for a natural setting pic or what lol

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

My settings were a bar and a gym. But I'm guessing you mainly need to find the right photographer, and they should know the good spots in your town. Make sure to look at their work, they'll usually have an Instagram or something.

It's very common these days for photographers to shoot profile pics, so ask very directly about their ideas.

And you just have to get past the awkwardness of what you're doing. My photoshoots were in public places with other people around lol.

So so worth it though.

[–]WinstonMcFail 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Haha.. oh man a full on public photo shoot. Alright alright

[–]SKRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned -- it's an old saying.

[–]Rian_Stone 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That's pretty common among the divorced rp guys.

The way most are working with it is polite distance, and everything through email (for the record)

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yeah unfortunately I've allowed myself to get into a couple of arguments with her recently. I said some brutal shit that was of course true, but is only coming back to make things harder for me.

I need to get back to that cool respectable distance, and I do try to keep things on text. She has 40K unread emails, and already misses all kinds of important kid-related stuff, so unfortunately that's not an option for me....so annoying.

Still, she is doing things now like inventing reasons to call late at night when she knows I'm with my girlfriend. Like kid-related stuff she tries to make out to be urgent.

This has become my biggest issue with my new life, whereas we got along just fine when I was a fat beta.

[–]Rian_Stone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Obsticle is the way man. I know it's not busy yet, but redpillparenting will eventually take off, as more dudes with kids start redpilling.

I've crossposted this to marriedredpill, and I know theres a few divorced dads in here who had some shrill witches. I'm sure theres plenty of knowledge in here to work with

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keeping it civil for the kids

fucking awesome

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 64 points65 points  (8 children)

Point awarded per the request of an EC.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He should be endorsed. He is the shining example of how men build their own value

[–]Redasshole 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I wonder why he got a point? Isn't supposed to be awarded to someone who demonstrate a good grasp of RP principles?

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah, like lifting. and discipline and monk mode

Who woulda thunk.

[–]ImHerWonderland 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Dude, you look at his before and after pictures and tell me he doesn't have a decent grasp of rp principles.

Two years of fucking lifting, discipline on not eating out, keeping a routine, fasting while watching his kids eat, shit tests he most likely had to endure that he didn't mention, snagging plates while improving and not going complete sperg monk mode. Two years of hard work and sweat, and you mean to tell me he didn't show any qualities of RP?

I can list a thread by an EC, or someone pointed for nearly every single thing I just described, and he did all of those things. He used the tools provided and got fucking results, and then shared it with the tribe. Hell yeah he gets a fucking point.

Edit: I'm not saying he should get points for just lifting. But the stress, pain, and suffering that he endured to get to this time in his life is why he should be pointed.

[–]Redasshole -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Yeah but you know to me RP principles were mainly geared toward sexual strategy and understanding of women. But hey

[–]ImHerWonderland 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women are a result of knowing and following RP principles, never the goal. If you try and understand women you'll drive yourself insane.

And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.

[–]Comanche6 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Fucking right on. For laffs, contrast this guy's super detailed and amazing transformation 500 upvote post with the landwhales who post a 400+ pounder pic, lose 150 and still look like beast that should be harpooned, cut up and rendered into lamp oil. "U go girl!" And those posts get 45k upboats! If it weren't for guys like this, our society would be dead already.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He could probably post a similar thread in one of those mainstream subs and get those kinds of upvotes if it makes it's way to /r/all. It'd be funny as shit if he did and then that post lead people here as a success story.

Hmm... ideas... percolating...

[–]ImHerWonderland 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm downvoting you because I feel like your argument is flawed. Women do usually get a bit more attention, especially online, yes. However, I guarantee if OP posted this with no RP context, and just talked about cleaning up his act for himself and his kids he would get a shit ton of upvotes.

EVERYBODY likes to see these kinds of posts because they're motivating and it lets us imagine ourselves in OPs position.

I'm also downvoting because personally I support anybody who is working to improve themselves. Women too. If a 400lb landwhale gets off their ads and hits the gym and loses 150lb of course they're going to still look fat but I'll be damned if I shun them. Fuck that, that's fucking awesome I'll be cheering too lol, that is a fucking accomplishment man. Motivating men and women who have taken steps to improve themselves and have shown consistent discipline and progress towards their goals is great for everyone. Now, fatbodies who post pics and say they are proud and won't change a single thing are a completely different story...

[–]trancedj 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Congrats man. Well done. You’re story is inspiring.

Being in my early forties I’m so fucking tempted to start TRT and HGH. But I’ve had my levels checked and there’s really no reason for me to do so other than slightly better aesthetics and gains. For now I’m staying all natural. I just can’t see the benefit outweighing the risks involved. Not at this point anyway.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I believe a diet of fresh food (canned food is bad), with lots of fat, and being active should be good.

Read this article, it's indepth for naturally increasing the T (granted the author is in his 30s, but better trying this method than not trying at all):

https://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/18/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/

[–]f4gs2de4th 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would hop on, I don’t see any reason to not live on the elevated side of TRT levels (900-1200) ng/dl

[–]officerkondo 1 point2 points  (3 children)

But I’ve had my levels checked and there’s really no reason for me to do

What were your levels? Most doctors will say you’re fine so long as you’re above 300 and can still gets boners.

I’m your age. I just started TRT about two months ago and can’t imagine looking back.

[–]trancedj 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I had to go back and check. Seems I was on the lower end of 300. Probably why my doc didn’t suggest trt. And this was back in 2015 for fucks sake.

What type of trt on you on? Feel free to PM if you like. I’m looking at options like pellets vs shots vs creams.

Thanks man.

[–]officerkondo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What you have to bear in mind is the methodology for the reference range of 264 - 916 ng/dL. They measure a population of men and then kick out the bottom and top 2.5% testosterone levels. So in other words, it's not that the range of 264 - 916 ng/dL is ideal. Rather, it is just that 95% of the population has testosterone levels somewhere within that range. And yeah, my doctor laughed when I asked to get my levels tested, saying that so long as I could get boners, I was fine. I went to another lab and got the test - I came in at the low 400s.

According to this data, being on the lower end of 300 means you had the testosterone levels of a man 85-100 years old (average of 376 ng/dl). I wasn't doing much better.

I am on injections with the goal of bring my testosterone levels to the higher end of that reference range. I will PM with more information.

[–]trancedj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like we may have the same Dr. ;)

Thanks for info!

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Being in my early forties I’m so fucking tempted to start TRT and HGH. But I’ve had my levels checked and there’s really no reason for me to do so other than slightly better aesthetics and gains.

Same. Doctor said they're not necessary, so no treatment programs for me (even if I'd still benefit from them due to age). For now everything is still in the range of "normal", if a bit on the lower end of average for a couple of things.

[–]trancedj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I plan to get my levels checked again. I’m pretty sure mine is still on the low end of 300. If so, I’ll look into trt via one of the men’s clinics in my area.

[–]R41nmaker 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Damn dude! I am 28 and recently took the Red Pill after a rough break up from an almost 10 year relationship. Your post is definitely inspiring and I saved it so I can refer to it later. Nicely done!

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Wow, just wow. If you truely are legit, I have the utmost respect for you and your transformation. Two years? Thats the power of potential for you.

[–]joner888 43 points44 points  (30 children)

When a 47 year old male looks better then yourself after the same amount of training you feel defeated.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (24 children)

Defeated? How about fucking inspired?

[–]joner888 12 points13 points  (22 children)

Yes. Very inspiring story ,but fuck man those gainzzz

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (20 children)

You have to understand just how magic TRT is. Don't compare yourself with anyone who's drug enhanced unless you are too.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered]

I tried to be honest about that. It's a fair point, even though my transformation was well underway when I started.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You've been 100% honest about it (thank you, it's rare!). I realised I didn't reply to the right comment. Congrats on the gains :)

[–]Garathon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have any pictures just before you started trt?

[–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

TRT is only magic if your levels were low. If you have healthy levels you won't notice a huge amount.

[–]adam_varg 1 points1 points [recovered]

yes you will

it wont make you look like bodybuilder, it wont make you look like OP, but it will allow you to look like OP

100-250mg test + 1-4IU hgh is what endurance athletes usually use (combat sports included..)

[–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

He's on 150mg weekly. Giving him a high end of natty levels.

HGH will help but you didn't say that. You said TRT is magic. Which it isn't. OPs physique is easily achievable naturally.

[–]adam_varg 1 points1 points [recovered]

Dude i am accomplished alpine climber, currently six months from my first mma pro fight (no smoker.. gala night with thousands people).. thats decade of committed semi pro training.

Obviously i juice.

What i use is 200mg test + 1-2iu gh. Thats for most of the time.

And i make nice side money from making doping plans for other endurance athletes.. guess what? 100-250mg test + 1-4iu gh is typical.

Its possible naturally, well within limits. But not at his age, not that fast. And would have to cut his volume of activity in half atleast.

[–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

You have to understand just how magic TRT is.

This is what I replied to. No mention of age. No mention of gh.

TRT will only make a big difference if your levels are low. If you have healthy levels you'll only achieve the same levels with TRT except it'll be synthetic test rather than natural. No difference.

100-250mg

That's great. 100mg is typical TRT, 150 is already pretty higher. Any higher and it's not really TRT anymore and you're pushing into enhanced levels.

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    [–]WinstonMcFail 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    You're off base. Trt is magic and OPs physique is not easily attainable naturally ESPECIALLY at age 47. Of course, everyone does react differently.

    [–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

    Whatever excuses you want to tell yourself.

    [–]WinstonMcFail 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Show me a 50 year old male that looks like that natural? Pics of yourself? Doubt it bc you're obviously not speaking from personal experience

    [–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    The dude is on hormones. Yeah he looks good (for his age), but cmon now. Have some god damn dignity for yourself. I’m starting to think that the only way to become aesthetic in today’s age is shooting up some of that foreign.

    [–]joner888 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Eugene Sandows and the other old school strong men where pretty aesthetic.

    [–]BusterVadge 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Dude, congratulations on your amazing progress. You are what Red Pill is all about - Being the best man you can be and focusing on being a little better than you were the day before.

    Your before and after pics show your hard work and discipline that so many men these days lack.

    [–]LoneWolf1557 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    You went from looking in your 50's to early 30's amazing job, trying to get my dad in the gym with me he's pushing 290 but won't do anything about it

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      [–]LoneWolf1557 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Will do, he just doesn't like to talk about it so it's hard to introduce it into the conversation.

      [–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Let me make a suggestions for your dad. Buy him a small, 25 lb dumbbell, and tell him to practice every other day, right after dinner. He can sit while he does this... and do it at his own pace, but he must try to get through a single set of 10 reps.

      When he can get to 4 sets of 10 reps... he is ready for the gym... and can then work with the 30lbs dumbells...

      Cost? $20.

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Sad to say you cannot make someone want to improve themselves. At this point you'd be best served by taking out a sizable life insurance policy as he's eating himself into an early grave.

      [–]Fun2badult 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      God dammit that was a good read. I’m at 38 now on the opposite spectrum, skinny as f and can’t get weight, no discipline but mad motivation. Will be saving this to check periodically for motivation. Keep posting and let us know anything more positive

      [–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

      If you have to ask how much, you probably can't afford it

      I never get this expression. People who can afford it could just be genuinely interested in the yearly costs of running it.

      Dumb as shit.

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        [–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

        That's not a huge amount. Most people here have no idea how much HGH costs because they don't use PEDs. Why does that automatically mean they can't afford it.

        [–]StonerTigerMom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        After your post, I started researching. Would you say it cost $500/ month?

        Because I would pay twice that to have a fully functioning DH.

        [–]Joriko13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Great to see posts like this to fire me up to keep going with my own work. Thanks OP, all the best.

        [–]mountainbiker178 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        What was your Test before you started TRT?

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          [–]Rian_Stone 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Jesus, that's BuzzFeed vlogger levels

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          Bra-fucking-vo, sir. You are a true inspiration and I thank you for sharing your story.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for this buddy. After seeing your transformation pics in the other topic I very much wanted to hear your full story.

          [–]ElijahBurningWoods 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Glad to see, you've made your comment into a post. Well done my man!

          [–]SoulRedemption 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          It's really nice to see a post from an older gentleman who is rocking it. This should pretty much kill the "I dont have the time", "lifting isn't for me" for the newbies here.

          Well done man, great post and motivation.

          [–]Rares5555 14 points15 points  (1 child)

          To all you fuckers telling this saying you won’t achieve this body without test and steroids, who the fuck cares?

          He turned his life around and didn’t end up fapping his life to porn without even being able to see his dick.

          Everything you do is a means to an end. If he likes the ending, fuck the means.

          [–]resoredo 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          What is your job, and what are your working hours? If you have any

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            [–]StonerTigerMom 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            Did you notice any pushback from the generally beta tech crowd? Did it help you in rounding up (pun intended) the tubs you have to work with?

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              [–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Yes, please post on how it improved your ability to lead.

              [–]insanity_wow27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Good going man you look great. You've inspired me to try IF this week.

              [–]nester79 4 points5 points  (7 children)

              Thanks for the honest post. I'm about to hit 40 and made similar changes as you did about 3 years ago. I would also add that in time I started aerobic training again too and do triathlons regularly now and that adds to the endorphin level. I think there's a subset of women who run a lot and love when a guy can keep up or run faster than them in long distances.

              Question: what dose of Viagra and Cialis do you use? I don't have erectile dysfunction (maybe some psychological sometimes) but definitely feel more solid when I use Viagra or Cialis to the point I'm starting to use it almost every time.

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                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                Do you watch porn, if so, stop it. Porn causes ED.

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                  [–]nester79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Porn causes ED in men under 35 for sure. There are other causes of ED though. 40% of men around age 40 have ED of different causes.

                  Not good to just throw a blanket statement like that though I do agree with you. Porn is destructive.

                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  Inspirational. At 39 I’m at about month 2 from where you started. I know I’ll get there.

                  [–]BunnyPoopCereal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  I'm motivated. You're motivated. We're all motivated!

                  [–]WorldNewPilla 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  well done!! thanks for the sharing. what do you do for living? And what is your best advice on getting friends from the place you came from?

                  [–]eccentricrealist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Your transformation is fucking insane man, nothing but respect for you.

                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  Oh shit man, that's some real motivation shit. Im on the same journey. Never stop raising the smv. Esp because you are in your late 40s. Some crazy shit.

                  [–]sithlordzeta 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  awesome story, ty for sharing. as someone in my late 20s you've just added alot of motivation for me to conquer all my current obstacles with no excuses.

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Wow, you really did it. Hats off to you sir!

                  [–]poonis8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  How’d you lose the boobs? I’m struggling with chest fat.

                  [–]Synist0r 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Those first 2 pics: from chubby to Bruce Wane

                  [–]Freenorthman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Congratz on looking like a human finally. Good Work Keep it up

                  [–]berryfarmer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  and I firmly believe it makes women more attracted to me in some subconscious way (perhaps due to pheromones or something?). Women noticeably just want to be physically close to me in a way that isn't fully explained by my improved physical appearance....in my opinion.

                  Quite simply, it's quantum physics. In a few years this will be common knowledge. https://resonance.is/confirmation-quantum-resonance-brain-microtubules/

                  Call it "energy", "vibe", whatever. They can feel who you are, and they are skilled in reading these feelings. It is their baseline of normal operation and functioning.

                  The materialistic worldviews will be dying soon. They're simply incorrect, with theredpill furthering the awakening, albeit inadvertently.

                  [–]BobbySean0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Yes! This is the absolute truth!

                  [–]anabolic92 5 points6 points  (7 children)

                  Congratz again, a good example to the community.

                  People might call you out on steroids, but 800 test is something a lot of young guys can be around natty, so they have no excuse.

                  What interests me more is how your frame changed according to your physique.

                  I have a similar physique, but my mindset is of a bitch still.

                  I would like to expand a little more, with examples if you could, of how you noticed girls interest's arise.

                  Maybe one of the most memorable lays you have had ever since then as a FR.

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                    [–]Bigbighero99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I'd love to read a detailed post about that

                    [–]sky_fallen 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                    I have low t or at least would assume so , am getting my doc to check it next week. I am not on drugs and get enough sleep and already do noob workouts, does this mean mine will stay low? Let's say worst case: with normal lifestyle it is 300, how much can I get it up without gear?

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    I moved from 100% sedentary to very active as well, but my T hardly increased. We looked at iodine and vitamin D levels, both of which apparently affect and are affected by your T-count. The point is there are still other factors at play; your doctor will have to advise you on next steps before you get to your conclusion.

                    [–]sky_fallen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Well in my country it has just turned to the 6 months where we can get V-D from the Sun, so I went for a 2 hour run through the forest in my shorts, even without shoes .. I will do this all Summer and test again in September to find out if it is that.

                    [–]anabolic92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I have no idea man, I'd say go to the testosterone sub and they might have some natty protocols over there.

                    [–]888222 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Amazing transformation, you just gave me the extra boost I need. well done !

                    [–]nah46 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Badass transformation. Nice job. Never stop brother

                    [–]trampolinetrade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    it's really good to see actual success stories here, you're the man!

                    [–]Thelongwayhome26 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    tldr : BEAST mode activated !!

                    [–]SuperCrazy07 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                    That's unbelievable and inspiring. Great post!

                    Out of curiosity, it looks like you hit 225 at around May 2016 and more or less stayed there until May 2017.

                    I didn't see anything in your story about a change you made around that time that got you to drop those last 20 lbs or so?

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                      [–]prostaddict 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Hey man - I'm also 6'3 and just wondering what weight you're at with 9.2% bodyfat?

                      [–]Pmart213 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Congratulations bro. I'm really happy for you and I hope this inspires many other men. It's never too late to make life what you want. All you need is discipline and persistence.

                      [–]IronMonk48 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Solid post. Very inspirational. Great job OP!

                      [–]pdiggs1500 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      Not all heroes wear capes! You're an inspiration Bro.

                      I think I'm going through a similar process. I'm 37, and about 2 months ago I swallowed TRP. Since then, I've been on Keto+IF, Gym 6 days/week, 5x5 SL, crazy 30+ mile biking, barely any alcohol, no more Warcraft, chatting with women, and not giving a fuck. A few pluses: More confidence, my clothes are fitting, 10 pounds down, and the hardcore members of my gym now give me the 'nod' whenever I'm in. Hell, I'm in almost in the gym as much as they are. Thank you for sharing!

                      [–]suddenlysnowedinn 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      You’re an absolute inspiration, man. A legend. I’m making progress for myself (29yo) already, but you just gave me an extra dose of motivation.

                      No kids yet, but I absolutely want them, so I’ll be avoiding HRT for as long as I’m seeing measurable progress.

                      Are you typically in ketosis? The brief bit I skimmed about your diet made it sound like you may be, but idk how many grams of carbs you’re getting from fruits and veggies.

                      [–]PrimePairs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Just add HCG to preserve fertility or put your swimmers on ice.

                      [–]imboredofitall 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Respect. I'm 36 now, wishing I had learned about TRP earlier, feeling as though I've lost so much to time.

                      Reading your post has me feeling motivated for the future. I'm currently working on my body and my career like never before, seeing results and continuing onward.

                      Thanks for sharing.

                      [–]kayfab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      GREAT i am looking for this type of transformation, i still have around 20-30 pounds to lose, i do fasting try to hit 16 per day..... i grad P90X3 and am now doing 22 minutes hard corps with adonis index...my diet still needs work....

                      Not looking to bang women i will be 46, but when you are in shape its true that women touch you a lot more.... yeah being physical.

                      [–]andAutomator 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      Hey, thanks for the story buddy. I bet the hormone therapy was much more useful for you since you're snipped. Out of curiosity, how tall are you?

                      [–]Filofa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Looking fantastic, we both know our work is only starting.

                      Best wishes.

                      [–]samurai96 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      Damn bud, I remember you commenting about your transformation on some post, and I was thinking you might make post about it. Well bob's your uncle, you dunnit, and you're getting quite some adoration too.

                      I'm curious though, was she the one who originally left you? Asking because if it was her, then she's probably steeming with regret rn.

                      [–]Bettawayz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Massive respect! Fu*k those hamsters who can’t believe that hard work can actually amount to something. Twice the respect for the honesty in the post.

                      [–]FrankCostanza111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      I’d upvote 10x if I could. This is what it’s all about.

                      [–]rasta_rusk_99 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      Holy shit sir, that's amazing.

                      [–]duck_tape 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                      Do you track your calories, macros etc.?

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                        [–]JDRoedell 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        I’d be interested to know what’s in your shakes. Impressive transformation brother

                        [–]Dextline 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        Late as fuck to this. I read your post earlier and just thought of https://youtu.be/7kbSfFFEvxw

                        Take the bro's advice and consider simple maintenance before you go too far with the gains and get into weird centaur porn. :D

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                          [–]CaciqueBoss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Man this post motivated me af nao

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                            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Men create their value and women are born with theirs

                            OP can do it, so can you

                            [–]UncleWarwick 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                            This guy fucks, literally and figuratively. Kudos to you sir. We need more posts and stories like yours here.

                            Also a couple grand isn’t anything for your salary, but the clinic I was looking at my TRT would be 2400/year. You may or may not be getting ripped there. (I’m passing on TRT for now because I’m too young - 29 - and don’t have my life completely in check to determine I definitely need it, tested in the mid 400s, but I still have diet and gym gains to achieve first before I hop on the train)

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                              [–]UncleWarwick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Underground you’d be paying like 100 a month if that.

                              I wanted to start because I’m a complete believer, but I couldn’t in good conscience until I got all my shit in check and see where my levels are at then.

                              [–]BruHEEZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Well fucking done, sir.

                              [–]Rian_Stone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Mind if I cross post this to marriedredpill? Would be a great compliment to Stacy's post on fasting...

                              [–]Thunderbutt77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Amazing man. Thank you for sharing this.

                              [–]jclaytonc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Well done my man. I turned 30 today, and I am in better shape than when I was 25, but I still have work to do to catch up with you. Enjoy it.

                              [–]Biglordg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Awesome job man. Shit like this makes me want to go even harder in life, at the gym, and at work.

                              [–]hotrod817 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Damn bro, this is really inspiring. Continued success on your journey!

                              [–]gorebwn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Yeah man. Murdering it out there. Keep up the good work man.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              The elbow tendinitis doing pull-ups is a real hurtle. I messed mine up doing chin-ups. It's been a few years since and I still feel it in one of my elbows. One thing I've started doing is alternating scapular pull-ups and full pull-ups in a single High-Intensity-Training drop set. I use rubber bands. The scapular pull seems to help everything get aligned and makes the complete pull-up much stronger. The rubber bands drop help me achieve failure without straining the tendons. I think increased frequency also helps--at least one set to utter failure every day.

                              Keep it up. You're obviously kicking ass.

                              [–]richi0003 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Preach man, you're a role model to some people

                              [–]Tenth_10 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                              Congrats on your journey. I'm on the same path right now, having started last August and pushing as hard as I can. I have lost 13Kgs of fat, pound up a few kgs of muscles, but on the women side it's nada.

                              Couple questions if you would kindly answer : - What's the size of the city you're living in ? - Do you do anything besides Bumble to meet women ?

                              Thanks in advance and God speed to you !

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                                [–]Tenth_10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                I see ! Thank you very much.

                                [–]vinsomer_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Dude, that was a great reading . Your tale is awesome. I wanted to ask you something, bro. There is a philosophy about lifting, that shit about beat your limitations every day and stuff. How was that for you? How did you felt a personal development? Mostly, what was the full effect of lifting in your mentality, and, perhaps, your spiritual side, as you're talking about meditation and seems to believe in it (i do believe in it, meditation and spiritual healing are cool af).

                                [–]3d_truth 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                I am into meditation and do it in the sauna in addition to doing it in my room. If you are just getting into meditation, solely doing it in the sauna is doing yourself a disservice. It is so much harder to focus. Keep trying in the sauna, but do it at home everyday aswell.

                                [–]okuli 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                I'm new to meditation, but as a beginner I find it much easier to focus in sauna. When I'm at home I have racing thoughts of reading a book, internet, check mail, etc. While in sauna I don't have a phone with me and I'm there for 10 minutes anyway, so it's easy to focus.

                                [–]U-94 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                I fully expect to start HGH and Testosterone treatment in my 40s. I've worked out nonstop since high school (32 now) but I know without these aids, it'll be pointless at the gym with the natural muscle loss.

                                [–]yomo86[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                But first try to supplement naturally ie get a blood test, improve vitamin D, zinc and magnesium levels to the optimal amount. Going on HRT is a live changer, as your body becomes accustomed to, so quitting is out of the question at some point

                                [–]openWh1te 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Good job, man! Keep it up

                                As per meditating, have you heard of Deprivation Tanks? They help a lot with learning meditation, practicing meditation, and physical restoration.

                                I highly recommend it, in this lively noisey world that we live in.

                                Groupon tends to be a decent place to look for coupons for local services. They can be called float tanks...

                                They are epsom salt baths designed to isolate you from input like sound, light, and the sensation of gravity to some extent (it's more dispersed when floating than simply be standing).

                                Peace out

                                [–]captainsaveahoe69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Fucking great stuff man! Congrats and well done sir!

                                [–]ThrowTheEgg 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Nice work, two quick questions: 1) Re the TRT - did you test for low testosterone and were ‘legitiimately’ recommended to it, or did you decide for yourself and then undertake? No judgement just curious; 2) with the fasting, any concerns/limitations about too great a window between protein intake? That is my one and only reservation about IF, that I’ll miss out on getting enough protein for muscle growth...

                                Thanks man

                                [–]hiddenpersona 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Did your libido survive after years on SSRIs? I had extremely high libido before and while on Cipralex for 2 years. I stopped after 2 years and shit the libido is sometimes still non existent. I really have to pay close attention to my diet, sleep and workout otherwise zero libido for women.

                                If so, how did you manage to get your libido back? I think I either damaged some receptors or lost it all for some other reason. I did nofap for 2 months and I think it may messed up with my libido either.

                                [–]OfficerWade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                You’ve made it look easy. I wish you the best of luck and as always stay safe out there.

                                [–]Hotelmotelholidayinn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                How much do PED’s cost you? Does insurance cover some costs?

                                [–]AFthrowaway3000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Inspiration. Saved for future reference.

                                [–]Math126 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakn’ huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.

                                [–]basedmattnigga7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Amazing story dude. I'm inspired to cut the snuff, been chewing for ages.

                                Also going to start the lifting tomorrow. And forming a plan.

                                Thanks for posting.

                                [–]clinicalbrain 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                So are you taking TRT for muscle gains or because your are low on T? I didn’t quite get the reason from your post.

                                [–]Gozsayin1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Wow just wow dude nobody hear needs to tell you how far you've come because you've lived it. Your an inspiration to all if not just to me. P.S Im not normally not a super fan of steroids but I'm glad to see someone in your age range (range it should be used unlike some of these young guys) bouncing back they way you have

                                [–]BradTheGymRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Kudos my man! 47 and killing it!What an inspiration.

                                [–]Gearski 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Glad to see you include your cycle info, too many guys who refuse to be legit about it even while anonymous. Props on the transformation.

                                [–]yomo86[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Just one question. 6 times a week gym + cardio + other physical activities seem quite much to me. How do you regenerate to 100%? Going the odd week without sports once every blue moon?

                                [–]earthmother92[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Cool post. I dont get one thing though. So much time in the gym? Cut it in half and start reading some books.

                                [–]Suave_Terry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Jesus Christ man, good fucking job!

                                [–]STFUIDGAFUCK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Truly Inspiring. Thank you sir

                                [–]SemperPrimus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                One of the most impressive posts I've read on here. Good for you man and thanks for the motivation and inspiration.

                                [–]dyed_red 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                Congrats for the amazing transformation, man. Can you give us your stats? I'm talking arm circumference, 1RM bench press, etc. And can you give us a front shot on the after physique? It would make things more comparable with the before one.

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                                  [–]dyed_red 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                  This is the wrong place to try to bullshit haha

                                  So should I assume you're too shy to give em' out?

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                                    [–]dyed_red 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Awesome, I'm sure lots of people would like to have a look

                                    [–]deeze6 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                    Awesome job, Im in my 40s and considering TRT as well. I'm curious, what was your starting testosterone level? And did you try any natural methods of increasing testosterone?

                                    [–]ChadTheWaiter100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    As a now 27 yo man, took viagra when I was 21-25 on occasion. When I did take it I had wood for about a week (on and off) but I’m talking steel fuckin wood.

                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                    Nice work. I should make a post like this at some point. 36 with two kids, after divorce went from 360 down to 240 in one year and look to be at my best shape ever at 200lbs by august. Not to take away from this post but my before and after pics are gonna be pretty dramatic.

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                                      [–]1319Skew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                      Thank you for sharing. As a recently divorced single father, I find your post to be very inspirational.

                                      Is there a sub for TRP success stories/transformations? I feel like there should be a section for people living the TRP lifestyle before and after stories.

                                      [–]Arabian_Wolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                      I'm mirin you, nice body.

                                      Just keep up the good work and don't fall into mediocrity again.

                                      [–]2jz240sx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                      Great story and congrats! All the hard work you put into yourself has paid off!

                                      [–]hongkong_man5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                      Kudos to you man keep it up and stay hungry!

                                      [–]st3roids 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                      there numerous papers that point the effect on hormones on muscle building.

                                      Point taken without hormones no serious muscles will ever built. In fact after a certain age 45+ doing weight lift without steroids isn't recommended and is counter productive cause you always be in catabolic state.

                                      Of course is another thing doing couple of grams testo with tren hexa every day and 10 ui of hgh along wit insulin with just taking testo and some anavar and a couple of ui hgh which in no way is harm full and only beneficial

                                      [–]bluepillcarl 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                                      Any idea on what your daily calorie count and macros might be?

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                                        [–]hack3ge 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                        What do you weigh?

                                        I'm cutting on IF doing 1400/1800 split and I'm 160lbs 5'8" - god I wish I could eat 3500 calories a day. I know I need to bulk but I want to get to sub 10% BF before I start. I wonder sometimes if I am hitting a plateau because I don't eat enough. My activity level is pretty high but I don't do any cardio outside of combat sports (BJJ / Muy Thai). I'm stuck in that 12-15% BF range and its hard to move the scale and see visibile resuls but I've heard I'm in no man's land. Part of my MAP for the week is to use a food scale to make sure I'm not underestimating which is also a possibility.

                                        The trick to IF results really is high fat and protein - I lose more fat and feel better when I eat nothing but bacon, pork ribs, beef, eggs, chicken and throw some green veggies in and some plaintain chips for carbs.

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                                          [–]hack3ge 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                          Yeah I'm 35 - going to get my T levels checked next week so maybe I'll have some help. I still think its doable at my age to get sub 10% naturally just need to find the right combination of carb cycling and tightening up my calories. I just started getting back into lifting about a month ago so I've got a few months of noob gains ahead of me too.

                                          3500 calories is well above maintenance so you must be very active or the HGH is helping alot.

                                          [–]TheseNthose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                          I don't read it past the pictures. Holy fuckin shit dude! Great job!

                                          [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                          This is a great post that shows that it is never too late to improve yourself/body and change your life for the better.

                                          [–]seanwilliams35 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                          Super inspiring - keep it up

                                          [–]DiscardedThoughts88 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                          Love this post. Honesty... We should give this guy props, whether you agree with his regime or not doesn't matter to me. This dude is killing it.

                                          Great job man ! Inspiring story and I can imagine your kids are very proud of their father. Keep on living YOUR life the way YOU want to live it.

                                          [–]ivyentre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                          Props to you for having the balls to come out and say you had drugs to help you...most people who make this kind of transformation lie about it and say 'i worked hard, and you can have the same results if you work hard too!'

                                          Sometimes real inspiration comes through brutal honesty instead of bullshit sales pitches. Much thanks.

                                          [–]JudgeDoom69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                          Did you start the TRT through your family doctor or did you go to a men's health clinic? Same question on the HGH, is that through a clinic. And could you please ballpark the cost per month?

                                          Do you drink alcohol at all, and if so how much and how often?

                                          [–]Aechzen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                          First, congratulation on your improvements and thanks for your post.

                                          There is no way I would be sitting today at 9.2% bodyfat with visible abs without HGH

                                          I agree. I've been as lean as 10.5% natural, but it's very difficult to be simultaneously putting on muscle, eating enough, and stay that lean. I'm now hovering between 11.5% and 12% and I run a hell of a lot. I wasn't any more successful with women at 10.5%; in fact, if you have to trade being stronger or leaner, I think stronger at 12% is better.

                                          All that said, you should find a doctor / clinic you trust, and strongly consider tapering off. Those cancer risks you mentioned are real, and you're already at increased cancer risk from your years of chew. Cancer is way worse than just having shrinking balls.

                                          Just being as strong as you are, you're probably going to have pretty strong testosterone production. But what the fuck do I know? I'm only 37.

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                                            [–]Aechzen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                            I feel like being where I am with TRT and HGH is a hell of a lot better than being where I was with Paxil and Skoal.

                                            Ha. That's absolutely true. Anti-depressants are awful. I tried some tobacco as a teenager and never got addicted; I know it's tough to quit. Nice work on that too.

                                            [–]LA_producer 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                            I’m curious if the 20-somethings came from online dating. I’ve noticed a major drop off in interest from 20-somethings online now that my profile’s age crossed over 40 years old.

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                                              [–]LA_producer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                              Yeah, exactly. That’s why I was wondering how you pulled it off.

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                                                [–]thatboyjeff 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                You’re a bad mother fucker.

                                                [–]abudun79[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                Your's is one of the most impressive transformation to me (talking about your pictures). Outstanding!

                                                [–]TheseNthose 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                this inspired me to get chest hair implants

                                                [–]officerkondo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                I know I'm late to the party but I'm an early-40s guy who just got on TRT about two months ago. Your post and progress photos are very inspiring and give me hope.

                                                Now you have me thinking about HGH...

                                                [–]1Revo_Luzione 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                Thanks for your report. This is a very inspirational post, older cats who are on this board, take heed. It's not too late, at any age, to build yourself up & create a life worth living.

                                                [–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                elbow tendinitis is making this hard

                                                I am 48, and have recently pulled something in my damned elbow too. Any advice?

                                                [–]plentyoffishes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                Great! Any tips on online dating in your 40s? I find that very few younger women are responsive on Bumble, etc. when they see the number (40 whatever), but in person, it's no problem.

                                                [–]Tre_Walker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                I applaud you sir as a true inspiration. We need more of this. I am saving your story to refer to on my own journey. Thanks

                                                Oh BTW do you have an opinion on MK-677 for HGH? I will work on HGH before T.

                                                [–]1v1crown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                WAT THE FUCK those before after pics tho

                                                [–]1handfulofnuts 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                Dadbod to Chadbod. You look 10 years younger, easily. Well done.

                                                [–]SickOfIt518 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                You're definitely a hero. Great job!

                                                [–]CyberChutney 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                That's ridiculously inspirational. You look like a total beast in the after pic.

                                                Thanks for the tip to do IF but skipping the evening meal. I've tried IF with no breakfast but it tends to make me fidgety just when I need to get some work done at the start of the workday. No dinner seems to work a lot better (three days so far).

                                                [–]pmtiggobitties 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                Bravo OP! Youre a fucking champion and an inspiration.

                                                Youve added fuel to my self-improvement fire.

                                                Thank you. Keep at it!

                                                [–]IamBammBamm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                OP

                                                What was your body fat % when you started T and HGH? Curious what your height is as well?

                                                [–]NameUser18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                Same yeah. I’m thinking of getting some myself tbf - like you say I’d rather do the injections and reap the rewards than not and stay ‘meh’. Have a good one.

                                                [–]ohk97r6dll 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                Inspiring. Thank you. I was in a relationship for a few years and let myself get way out of shape. I make excuses now that keep me looking like your before picture. This post reminds us all of what we can do if we throw out excuses, focus on goals and remain consistent in that focus. Two years from now, I don't want to look the way I look now. Great post.

                                                [–]Bloody69Hell 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                Congratulations!

                                                Please expand on your height?

                                                Thanks

                                                [–]bookloverphile 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                Very inspiring! would love to meet you!

                                                [–]TMac1128 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                This dude's a JRE podcast listener

                                                [–]NameUser18 2 points3 points  (9 children)

                                                Awesome story (been lurking 4 months , and you guys saved my life). But do we count using test and hgh as part of achievement , or is that not considered cheating?

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                                                  [–]NameUser18 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                  Sorry I didn’t mean to come across demeaning your achievements or anything - it’s a very inspiring story! I saw your comment on that post the other day so I knew I had to read your full post. Congrats on the success.

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                                                    [–]WinstonMcFail 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                                    Seriously. Only haters would call it cheating. Dude isn't competing in a sport.. he's trying to improve his life he did it dramatically.

                                                    [–]NameUser18 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                    Not a hater at all, but it’s still cheating if you can’t do it naturally isn’t it? It’s just like congratulating a chick who had liposuction instead of dieting.

                                                    [–]WinstonMcFail 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                    Well.. I guess. But I don't consider either cheating. How can you cheat someone else if you're the only person in the equation.

                                                    [–]NameUser18 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                    You’re not. I meant it’s easier to get buff and ripped if you’re using test/hgh - that’s all. Basically it takes less to get in awesome shape using them than if you’re natural.

                                                    Like I say, I don’t object at all - he’s done great. I’m just saying there’s probably less credit due if you’re using enhancing drugs.

                                                    [–]WinstonMcFail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    Yeah.. I totally see where your coming from, but just in my head.. I don't give him any less credit. If anything.. I give more props. Willing to do whatever the fuck it takes. He simply couldn't be where he currently his at his age without the drugs. Fuck it. All in. I respect that lol. Either way.. silly debate. I see your point. Good weekend to ya

                                                    [–]shubhidoobi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                    Your ex wife is going to regret ending things so much. But man keep fucking chicks don't go in another LTR, you don't need that shit.

                                                    [–]wutaboutthetwinky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    Congrats on the life change, man. Only, why get into a relationship when single life was so good?

                                                    [–]throwlaca 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                    Your hair improved 300% too.

                                                    It's an amazing transformation however taking 2 daily injections for life is not for everybody.

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                                                            [–]ddbsirt 1 points1 points [recovered]

                                                            Don't hit up the ask anything thread. Read the wiki first. Then hit the ask anything thread, it's not the explain everything thread.

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                                                                  [–]pcsubliminal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                  What's TRT?

                                                                  [–]Lion-Slicer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                  Testosterone replacement therapy

                                                                  [–]Lion-Slicer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                  Why the HCG? Just to keep your balls from shrinking?

                                                                  [–]EqualResponsibility 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                  I only looked at your pics... this is totally evil of me and I’m still working on it. Can we get a candid pic of your ex’s face when she sees what you look like now? It would be epic.

                                                                  [–]PMMEURRETROGURL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                  Trying to get hgh prescribed myself, how should i approach my doctor?

                                                                  [–]1nowboarding 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                  What kind of pics did the photographer take?

                                                                  [–]Gerstlauer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                  Hey man. Stellar job, well done.

                                                                  Can I ask how you've dealt with your elbow tendonitis? Struggling with it too right now.

                                                                  [–]oneoftwentygoodmen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                  man after I saw the after photo all I could think was just I'm so fucking proud of you

                                                                  [–]StonerTigerMom -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                                  I thought this was a Keto post and wanted to say how amazing and hot you look until I realized where I was (“plates” tipped me off).

                                                                  As much as it pains me to complement someone who calls women dishware, your hard work is hot AF. You could probably have as many dishes as you like

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                                                                    [–]blkMGTOW07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                    Dude, didn't read your post yet but great fucking job on the weight loss man! Just had to say that. Well done.

                                                                    [–]Butt_Man_69 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                                    No after picture? No homo but top 1% fat to fab transformation means we want to live through your experiences.

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                                                                      [–]Butt_Man_69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                      Oh I see. It’s coupled in. I’m on this weird Apollo browser everyone keeps shilling. On the picture: yep this guys fucks.

                                                                      [–]PatsFever -1 points0 points  (5 children)

                                                                      Holy nice man, I wonder if vitamin S involved because that’s beast mode for 1 year. Bet the ex wife is swooning.

                                                                      EDIT: Okay this is basically an advertisement for steroids. Nice feel good story, but to play devils advocate there’s some long term health impacts with steroids that are not as feel good.

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                                                                        [–]PatsFever 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                                        Nah, I honestly get it, but sometimes these steroid posts can be confusing for younger people and there’s a big difference taking all that stuff around 45 vs around 25. The results are impressive and we only have one life might as well live it.

                                                                        [–]stickstickley87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                        Yup. Baseball, football, life. It’s fucking cheating. It’s fine though, you can’t run from the effects, sooner or later you have to pay the piper. Nothing in this life is easy.

                                                                        [–]AlexSKT99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                        My guy just went from dad to daddy. Well done sir.

                                                                        [–]StevenXBusby -5 points-4 points  (6 children)

                                                                        Great for you. But that’s a lot of drugs. I’ll stay a loser.

                                                                        [–]samurai96 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                        Better to die in a blaze of glory than live a coward no?

                                                                        [–]nester79 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                                                                        Choosing to be a loser is a personal choice and has nothing to do with whether this guy uses drugs or not. You can do everything he did without the drugs but it sounds like you just want to be complacent which is totally fine - it's a free country and I won't judge you. Just don't complain if you're not getting what you want out of life when you've declared loser mentality.

                                                                        [–]StevenXBusby 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                                        You’re right about everything except being able to duplicate his results naturally at that age.

                                                                        The man is an absolute stud. And I don’t mean to be negative about his success. But there is very little information in his story that applies to non-PED takers. Just the metabolic changes and joint health are a different ball game.

                                                                        [–]nester79 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                                        I never suggested that you would obtain the exact same result - sorry if that wasn't clear. I was only saying you can choose to end the loser streak and work out, lose weight, and get out there with or without hormones.

                                                                        There is zero excuse for any male who is still able to be mobile to not exercise both aerobically and anaerobically. It's not just for women it's for your own health as well - with or without supplementation.

                                                                        [–]Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

                                                                        Pathetic person and pathetic "journey". Noting changed with you as a person and you would still be a obese omega if it wasnt for steroids. Which is to say any super omega who has somehow managed to collect enough $$$ can uncuck himself with excess steroids.

                                                                        [–]modTheRedPike[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                        A little early to be hitting the bottle/bong/huffing glue? Play nice, kiddies.

                                                                        [–]nester79 1 points1 points [recovered]

                                                                        Steroids don't work unless you work hard. Can it be considered "cheating"? Sure maybe by some but you still have to work hard at it.

                                                                        Lance Armstrong doped but he could still kick most of our asses even if he didn't dope.

                                                                        I follow what you're saying but your comment was completely wrong and misguided at best.

                                                                        [–]NovicePilgrim -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                                        TLDR: Juice and viagra.

                                                                        Still impressive, and it shows that if you really want it, you just have to get up and pick it up. And pay the price, of course. The worlsd is yours, yet nothing is free.

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                                                                            [–]nuffsaid666 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                            Yeah just did lol sorry bout that. Nice transformation

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