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Bit of background on myself, I'm 26 and been backpacking in Oceania since October.

For anyone who isn't doing too well romantically, pulling down girls while travelling is like shooting fish in a barrel made of fish. Despite what some people might say to you, backpacking and sex have always gone hand in hand

Anyway, I arrived in a new town and made myself at home in the hostel dorm room. There I met two Scandinavian girls, one single, and one in a relationship, both reasonably attractive. Anyway, our backpackers has free pool so we agree to play a few games.

I invite a dude over who's eating by himself and him and the single girl hit it off immediately. We play a few games and have a few beers, now I'm not really a big drinker so I have a few and tell them I'm retiring to the room. They're all dressed up and ready to hit the bars and try to convince me to come out but I'm just on a write in my journal and listen to electronic vibe (big mood).

Anyway, single girl wakes me up at 3am when she comes in with her loud ass and we chat for a little while, tells me the girl on a relationship stayed out with some random backpacker from the bar. Now bear in mind this girl has been talking about her boyfriend for the last few days, has a picture of them together as her phone background, but he isn't here, he's back home doing God knows what while his girl runs around abroad for two months getting her face sprayed at every opportunity.

She comes back 9am the next day before checkout looking embarrassed as fuck and they start blabbering away to each other in their mother tongue about how she can't believe she did that

Tale as old as time really. Here's some advice for you guys from someone who travels a lot.

  1. If you're in a relationship and your girl wants to travel for an extended period without you, let her go but let her know she's now single

  2. I'm not saying all girls in LTRs will cheat, but it's a shitty environment for a relationship which makes them easy prey for A&F looking backpackers who they'll feel connected to because they're sharing similar experiences

  3. Your girl's friends are not your friends, their loyalty lies with her and they will watch her suck a hundred veiny dicks without any kind of heads up.

4 and most important. You're the hero in your own story, don't be the person waiting at home for anybody ever. This guys girlfriend is out hitchhiking around Oceania, having the time of her life and getting consequence free lays when she wants it, what the fuck is her boyfriend doing except missing her , I have a tonne of these stories if people are interested, some involving me some not including banging a geologist in an open relationship while her boyfriend was in the Antarctic, and a French girl who's cheeks I blew out in the hostel showers after she told me her boyfriend had given her a "free one", and a girl who fell asleep on a guy who wasn't her boyfriend in a lounge where I was working and everyone started taking photos

[–]dominicthetiger 382 points383 points  (5 children)

hello, AWALT, my old friend...

[–]guifawkes 68 points69 points  (1 child)

Yes and all men are bitches til they step up, let’s not forget how easy it is to do the easy thing. I used to swipe right while not even looking at my phone, attempting to validate and fill a void at the same time. Its a beta thing to do, really.

Remember your story isn’t over and pick up the reins and take control. Grab life by the horns even if you’ve been hit. You can still get up and get after it again. No days off.

[–]Rhynocobear 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Depends why you are swiping. If it's for the lay i agree.

[–]1Obediah_Stane 39 points40 points  (0 children)

She's come to suck some cocks again... In hostel beds she's softly creeping, Other men left seeds in her sleeping, And her boyfriend that is left back at home, Still remains... Within the sound of AWALT.

[–]Incitatus002 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same thing applies to girls's weekends. If your girlfriend or SO wants to go on one of these, you'd better be sure she and her friends are out whoring and looking for dick. If you are in an LTR, and she insists on going out alone with her friends, start making other plans, 'cause it's over.

[–]Paladin2903 78 points79 points  (5 children)

Definitely agree about the modern travel thots. Any girl that needs to travel that much (especially WITHOUT you) is usually just a free-spirited jezebel hedonist. These types of girls absolutely ruin every guy that gets hooked on them. They have zero stability.

[–]Self_Descr_Huguenot 15 points16 points  (2 children)

“Wanderlust” is their new term for slut

[–]truedemocracy3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Have any more advice or experience on these types of women? Fell for one a few months ago (I know, I know) and haven't been able to recover well since we called things off (banged pretty regularly for about 2.5 months). What makes it harder for guys who get 'hooked' on these types of chicks?

Feel like these women grow up in a life of leisure, usually with money and easy experiences, but really are directionless

[–]redisthetruth 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Don't get emotionally attached. It's easier said than done. If you know they are going to be temporary, why get too close? Sure, share your fun moments, fuck like a king, but always be flirting with other women.

Most women are directionless. It's how the feminine is. Even most of the ones with strong masculine sides deep down are anxious about their path. They are fighting nature to go in this analytical logical way that society encourages. Deep down, they know beauty is their only asset. They'd rather be picked up by a strong man than have to work hard to survive.

This is why Western (and more and more Asian) societies are fucked. Women are no longer feminine for the most part. They've been taught that being feminine is weak/wrong and being masculine and independent is strong/right. Lots of them have little idea that they are just cogs in the big consumerist/materialistic society. They don't realize that the people in power want them to work so they can pay taxes and spend money. It has nothing to do with real independence. They are just willing peons in the big capitalist game.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 37 points38 points  (7 children)

coming from a dude that gives blowjobs to hobos

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (6 children)

Yeah but everyone in the hobo gangbang is single bro, it's different

[–]1empatheticapathetic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Doesn't sound like any hobo gangbang I've hung out with.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'll take your word for it homie. btw i assume the usual hostel age demographic is 20s? i travel a lot but never stayed at hostels. would someone in their 30s be out of place there or not?

[–]I_have_secrets 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You have disposable income and stories of real life experiences. You should give it a try.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You will be out of place at some and not at others. Mr Monkey Bananas and Tequila Hostel probably is not for you but there are a tonne which are less like that and honestly, I prefer the non-party hostels, you meet cooler people

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We all know that it doesn’t count if it’s with hobos


[–]AlQWEffos239 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some of the hobos aren’t about that life, I remember asking a hobos for a blow to see if he was actually homeless. Which in turn she was shocked, I still have her the man.

[–][deleted] 218 points219 points  (40 children)

I can not see why anyone young even bothers with LTRs. It is a road to agony, every single time. Even at 38, I am hesitant; most women will have insane n-counts nowadays, which is something I can not live with. And when they get into LTRs, the “not tonight, I’m tired” bullshit starts, despite them having put out for total strangers in the past. No fucking thanks.

[–]warrior5597 205 points206 points  (8 children)

Hamster wheel spins. One of the thoughts I've talked to my wife about this is simply, well my ltr/husband will be here tomorrow or whenever I feel like it, I may never see Chad again and it's such a heat of the moment romance novel experience how could I not get tingles and pass it up? Paraphrasing there.

To be fair, I think the same way when I justify doing dumb shit. AWALT. Everytime. Even if you go to extremes to know nothing has ever happened it only takes a few moments, in some crazy circumstance to have a loyal women ge not so loyal. Married red pill annoys me because even if you truly are Chadlike and own your shit, it can and probably will happen at some point because of some movie like circumstance, or simply because there's no chance of getting caught.

For instance, while I was engaged I started banging a coworker of sorts. She was a solid hb8. The caveat, her biker husband, who was in finance and made 10x as much as me, was no homo, much sexier than me, and had a bad ass reputation, appeared to have all his shit in order, has a beautiful wife that was sucking my dick and riding me bareback 10 minutes before he called to check up on her. This repeated a few times until I ghosted. All I ever did was just appear to run my shit competently and not give a fuck in a positive way at work, and all it took was staring into her blue eyes for all of 10 seconds one day for the tingles to hit and suggesting pizza while working late.

AWALT. AWALT. There is no unicorn. This hb had a reputation of being faithful despite her husbands occasional fuck up. That ended from 10 seconds of eye contact. If you're going to be in a ltr you're going to have to just accept that someone will invariably fuck your mate at some point with or without your knowledge in the future. The hamster wheel can and will find any way to justify it. From not leaving laundry in the bin, to revenge sex, to financial issues. You name it, it will be justified. That is the red pill a lot of you never want to swallow.

[–]killer_guitar_break 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Fuck. The hard and real truth.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_RC51 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I've fortunately learned this lesson watching friends 10 years my junior getting divorced, and the ex wife/etc showing their true colours. They all go for the money. All of them. Without exception. I've seen women monkey branch to other men, women try and monkey branch.. only to fail, and everything in between. Sometimes kids are involved. Everytime there is everytime they've been ruled against in court for 40% of their monthly take home wage.

Oh I've taken the red pill. Once you see how things truly are, you can never unsee it.

[–]IncelNoMore 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The thing is, if we assume AWALT to be true, this is a reality that we have to accept. The only other option is to not play the game and never get into a LTR. The thing is that for people like me at least, I find something in LTRs that I simply can not overlook. The intimacy, the complicity. Casual relationships can not bring those pn the same level, and also I'm not able to have these in sufficient abundance to feel satisfied, simply because I'm not a womanizer. I wish I could bang an interesting and attractive chick few times a week for the rest of my life without being in an LTR, but it's just not likely for me. I'm simply not attractive enough physically, despite hving a lot of qualities.

Hence LTR's have too much appeal. But you have to accept that you might get cucked one day, and you might never even know about it. At this point, I don't care. If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, did it ever make a sound?

[–]Rhynocobear 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Its frustrating to know you are right and wish you weren't. Thankfully you can act on knowledge even if you don't like it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This right here is the biggest truth ever

[–]Boltinder 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A consequence of this, is that everyone must also accept their own mothers have lustfully opened their legs for other men, while in a monogamous relationship.

While I think what you say is commonly true, nevertheless I don’t believe it universally applies to all women and all relationships.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, did you have to take the Mom road?


[–]MarbleWheels 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IMHO (and I say imho because I'm not in source hunting mood but there is plenty of research) faithfulness in the animal world, and we are just that, exists basically only in the species adopting a "K" reproductive strategy with both parents contributing to raise their offsprings, and very often only for the duration of raising-of-little-chimp. Expecting 100% faithfulness in a long term relationship that is not also a child raising entrprise is a way bigger bet than in one that is.

[–]mytrillosophy 32 points33 points  (16 children)

The “not tonight” shit should be expected at some point if y’all are fucking consistently over a period of months ,and especially years, though. I mean everyone has off nights where they’re just not feeling it. Obviously, if it becomes a frequent occurrence, it’s an issue. But agreed on relationships not being worth it, generally.

[–]1bruiser18 9 points10 points  (0 children)

the “not tonight, I’m tired” bullshit starts, despite them having put out for total strangers in the past.

Now 19 years old, lost my virginity at 13 to a girl I was with until 17 (she was 3 years older than me) and by the time she was 16 when I met her she had done fucked up shit with soo many guys.. if I ever tried to touch her while we were outside but out of sight, while her parents were home etc I got the "this isn't a good time".

What the fuck is a good time? Sucking 2 guys off in a park in broad daylight? Getting fucked by an adult man at 16 in the back of his car?

Safe to say that was my first LTR and last for a long time.

[–]CreatedItJust2Saythi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

most women will have insane n-counts nowadays, which is something I can not live with


And in fact men should infer an important conclusion from that rule they'll usually miss:

If her n-count is a perfect reason for you to lose your interest in her, then the very moment a woman starts a relationship with another man (+1-count) she automatically becomes that kind of woman you feel not interested in, even if she did that to make you jealous or shittest you.

In fact men should understand that ALL shittests are aimed at testing if they are so needy and scarcity minded as to accept shit. You are helping her reject you by rejecting yourself by passing the shit test. The only woman wanting you is the woman wanting to get wanted by you.

[–]smokecheck1976 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'm 41. Before my divorce at the ripe old age of 36, my n-count was 6. Now, about 5 years on, I don't know how many woman I've been with, it's just some number. I'm not a virgin, and I'm not looking for a virgin. preferably, I want a girl that likes sex and knows what she likes.

If a woman wants a long term relationship, then she needs to understand right up front that "not tonight, I'm tired" for no good reason and for more than a night or two is grounds for the relationship to end. Think about it, there are nights when you would say, "fuck it, I just want to go to bed", is she wrong if she demands a performance from you under those circumstances?

[–]throwlaca -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My current LTR understand that some nights I will fuck, if she doesn't want it, fine with me, I will find another.

It's kind of easy because she's basically a nympho and many times it's me who don't want/can't fuck because too tired, etc.

[–]guifawkes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly Molly is the worst thing you can do for your brain. Fucks up your threshold for a happy dose of dopamine and every concert or anything that you’re sober for ends up being less “fun” (on a dopamine level) than “that one time when. “

I’m no saint. But I have to believe in the grace of God that I can get better today than I was yesterday. It hurts though to acknowledge yesterday for what it was: a bad day with myself at the steering wheel.

Remember a good co-pilot is needed or else you’ll have lieutenants trying to nab the power from ya. Shake those lil snakes off ya “panky fanger “ as Clayton Bigsby would say.

Haters are going to hate but that’s just cause they “anus”.

[–]PMmepicsofyourtits 32 points33 points  (3 children)

I live in NZ, in a town full of backpackers. I have a frustrating habit of finding out about boyfriends after her friend finds me.

[–]SolarWizard 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter because backpackers are going to move on anyway. If she's going to cheat she's going to cheat so if you want sex then make that person you.

[–]ReformingBeta 84 points85 points  (3 children)

1. She’s single and traveling extended times on her own. 100% agree. Only a man with no options and no ability to create options would ever consider waiting. And that’s not a man she wants. I had a woman who told me she was going south for 3 months to get away from the northern winters. My response was “have a nice life”. Next.

[–]throwlaca 9 points10 points  (2 children)

WTF my LTR goes crazy if I stay a sunday without her. If a girl tell you she's going 3 months away is not your girlfriend of anything remotely like that. It's not the girl fault if people are so dumb to think they have a relationship when they don't.

[–]54108216 1 point2 points  (1 child)

careful there buddy - a needy, suffocating gf can be much more toxic in the long run than the opposite

[–]throwlaca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes she's busting my balls, will end it any day.

[–]Moreofmore 50 points51 points  (5 children)

I literally had a girl who was decently drunk yesterday tell me how hot it would be to fuck a married guy, while we’re making out. The level of fucked up shit in their heads can be unreal.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

How is that fucked up? We all have fantasies about younger girls, older girls, threesomes, married girls... Yes it's hot to fuck a married girl, why wouldn't it be hot for a girl to fuck a married man?

[–]Moreofmore 11 points12 points  (1 child)

For me, I think it’s fucked up and I don’t cross that line. You do you

[–]Myagooshki4004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be a shit test. Be like "just like how I'm married to you..." But girls who are really into you don't play games like that. And I think that a lot of dudes who get into these situations, no offense, it's what happens when you "game" too hard without developing more genuine emotional intelligence and "being yourself". You're hooking up and dating people who aren't really right for you.

[–]skimed07 48 points49 points  (36 children)

While I stayed in the states to study to get into medical school my girlfriend did a semester abroad and cheated on me. I was so BP back then I almost took her back

[–]Saberinbed 44 points45 points  (16 children)

Reminds me of this dudes girlfriend i fucked. Met her at the gym. HB8.5. Shes in nursing, boyfriend in dentistry. Fucked her within 1 week of meeting her. She asked her bf to take a break and the dude didint want to, because he was afraid he couldnt get her back. Long story short, i wasnt the first guy she cheated on that same dude with, and wont be the last. But at the end of the day, the dude whos in the relationship gets the most sex. The people they cheat on will never be constantly fucking them. Its either a one time, or a very short period of time where you do get to fuck them.

The lesson here is spin to always get a plate going, so when someone cheats, you don’t even care and you can still fuck her until your turn is over.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 27 points28 points  (6 children)

this is the correct answer.

i meet a lot of women that fuck on the side and its just a normal course of action to them. i also know many dudes that do the same. but still, with everything we've been brought up with and the whole fairy tale picture that is painted to us, its pretty astounding at how many more women cheat than you would ever think. so many lead two lives, its actually amazing to observe. after witnessing this for over a decade i can no longer look at the whole relationship thing the same way. i've never cheated on my exes, but when i do end up in another relationship i probably will. you only live once mang.

[–]Saberinbed 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I’m glad i learned this when i was 21 (now 22) Feels like i stopped caring so much about trying to get girls and relationships in general, and just do what makes me happy without needing a women in my life to get that fufillment. Obviously you want to get a plate going and get laid, but there will be dry sprouts and you shouldnt get so worked up over them, because at the end of the day, its just you against the world. You cant ever depend or trust another women.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 42 points43 points  (0 children)

in the words of samuel jackson in jackie brown: "you can't trust melanie, but you can always trust melanie to be melanie"

[–]omega_dawg93 17 points18 points  (1 child)

2 things all men to accept:

  1. women like to fuck and they get fucked way way more than you think... and way more than they will ever admit.

  2. women lie a lot. the only thing you should believe coming out of their mouths is your hard dick.

[–]nomogoodnames 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Careful. In our society, cheating is a sin for men. Basketball stars, regular guys, doesn't matter. The only time society applauds cheating is when it's a girl cheating on a relationship to get ahead or to have fun.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 19 points20 points  (0 children)

that's right. women have the right to express their sexuality.

[–]Future_Alpha 13 points14 points  (5 children)

How did you do it? If i had a gun put ti my head and given 24 hrs to fuck a girl from the gym (or anywhere else), be she single or in a relationship - i'd probably get shot in the head.

The worst part is, i am not even bad looking amd tall and skinny. Wtf...how do you guys do it, I dont even know. Ive literally been in the easiest place on earth to get laid (university) and I managed ONE lay in 8 years frkm uni...it blows my mind how u guys do it...at this point i doubt id get laid even if i went backpacking

[–]Saberinbed 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It takes a lot of balls to approach girls at the gym. I usually do it indirectly, and tell them we can come together and i can help her with her workouts. I’m in pretty decent shape, 5 10 185lbs around 16-17ish bodyfat, but i have a lot of muscle so it dosent look too bad. I guess i could say i’m just a really bold and funny person natrually. Gaming girls and making them laugh and becoming comfortable with me has always come natrual to me. I try to establish touch barriers and keep trying to sexually escalate with touching. I find touching to be the key in determining if the girl is dtf/into you. It starts with light touches on the arm and shoulder, to thigh slaps,grabs and so on.

I’d honestly say just dont be socially retarded and read off of social ques. If you’re able to go into a group of people, joke around, and be a funny, likeable person, then everything else comes natrually. Just dont be a pussy and do whatever comes to your mind when flirting/talking to women. You are made or broke when the thought comes to your head that says “what if i say/do this, and she wont like it?” Thats what seperates you from the average nice guy. Be a dick, be bold, be funny, and agressive, but also be socially aware and not do anything stupid/cringy.

[–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I have to ask, what is your fashion / facial aesthetics like?

I'm not tall but I walked into a few easy lays in my blue pill days simply due to facial aesthetics.

[–]Future_Alpha 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don't have much success with women (I don't get many ioi's) though I am tall (6'2). So I guess I could say I have shit facial aesthetics.

[–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (1 child)

6,2, I’m assume you’re in the US. Surprised at that height you are not killing it. Drop by men fashion subreddit and get some good clean outfits that are versatile. I also found a few tailored suits with some nice pocket ties made women open me, around half the women I pick up randomly have been due to clothing openers.

[–]Future_Alpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Drop by men fashion subreddit and get some good clean outfits that are versatile

Improved my style (been following RMRS and Ashley Weston) but still have not had much success with women.

[–]justgotalpha 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Spot on,the reason why most dudes get fucked over and feel resentment towards women is that they think the game ends once they get consistent pussy (AKA girlfriend)you should always be gaming and fucking other women ,monogamy is for the weak!!

[–]omega_dawg93 6 points7 points  (1 child)

most guys turn it off when they start getting regular pussy.

you should never turn it (pursuing pussy) off bc women never ever turn off the opportunity to get better dick, more money, and more attention. the game is always on with them.

[–]justgotalpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup thats how the female brain is set up,she is always looking for the bigger ,better deal while having a secure relationship,most guys on the other hand(not alpha males) are blue pilled and only stay because they cant get pussy outside of relationships!!

[–]Montrealkingpin 10 points11 points  (17 children)

Same. I was completely bluepilled and in love with a girl when i was younger. She went in vacation to Algeria with her familly and we had almost no contact for 3 months. Turned out she cheated on me there with a local and the worst in that story is that i forgave her. The bluepill was at full effect lmao. Never again. Never.

[–]Myagooshki4004 1 point2 points  (16 children)

Hey I mean what would you do if you were her in that situation? Did she cheat on you back home? I'm not saying you're wrong right now for being pissed at yourself back then, especially since I don't know what either of you are like, but they say everybody makes mistakes or whatever. Plus you've got the idea there that people take breaks and such.

[–]Montrealkingpin 3 points4 points  (15 children)

If i was in her position i don’t know but what i know is that i loved her like crazy back then. Real unconditional love, i was a real dumb bluepill loverboy and i would have done anything for that girl.

And i think that she only cheated when she was on vacation, wich is very very cliché. It always happen. If your girl goes abroad without you consider yourself single now cause the probability of her having a lil flirt or some ephemeral romance there is very very high. I didnt believe it back then but i had my lesson.

And yes i’m pissed at myself back then being the moron that i was, forgave her infidelity and going on and giving her all my love. She started to act coldish and left me few months after i forgave her.

But, if i didnt do this mistake i would have never learned. It takes great suffering to be better.

Be grateful for your mistakes guys, its because of them that you’re a wiser man today.

[–]Myagooshki4004 -1 points0 points  (14 children)

Because my one guy friend, his girlfriend was away for half a year. She's back now and they still love each other and have sex and everything. Of course I don't know the whole situation, but with these examples in my life I just don't really think that being a loverboy as you put it is necessarily blue pill. It's probably just the girls you're associating with. And maybe that's built into your personality. Or maybe it really isn't.

[–]Montrealkingpin 3 points4 points  (13 children)

Maybe she cheated when she was away and he will never know. Maybe she didn’t and she’s a good girl but it is highly unlikely. My story is just one in an ocean of girls on vacation. It is very cliché and well-known that girls fucks when they’re alone in a foreign country.

[–]Myagooshki4004 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Yeah so what I'm ultimately getting at is, well, maybe there's some biological stupidity in women or whatever, but if you don't really have evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that your girl cheated on you, it's best not to worry about it. And there's a lot of dudes on these forms that are obsessed with the idea that women suck and everything. You can go onto other subreddits with other kinds of guys who are successful with women, not necessarily Chad's, and could tell you plenty otherwise of the fears expressed in the redpill forums.

[–]Montrealkingpin 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Yes but the guys that are successful with girls are guys that applies a certain amount of Redpill theory and behaviour. Not talking about all that sidebar folkore (lift smv etx). Cause guys that goes full bluepill are not successful with girls, they get abused, rejected, cheated on and more

[–]Myagooshki4004 0 points1 point  (10 children)

It depends on the perception, some people have it come naturally, and some people get it from other sources besides redpill forums. There's balls of anxiety all over these subreddits and I'm not sure if most of them realize it. And how many people go full blue pill anyway? That's something I think about.

[–]Montrealkingpin 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Yeah you totally right. This forum is filled with anxiety and angry guys. But i can’t blame them, they all been abused by women before because they were too loving, caring etc.. They’re seeking for revenge.

And the “redpill” knowledge isnt exclusive to this subreddit, they’re are a lot of way to figure out how to behave in a redpill manner without knowing what redpill is because it’s just logic and common sense. Also another exemple, islam is a very redpilled religion.

I try to take my knowledge from everywhere that i can and do my own way.

[–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just when I think it’s time to finally settle down with a girl, I go to red pill and come back to reality.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (14 children)

I want to talk about 3. Men are the same way. Are we gonna rat out on our friend? Fuck no.

[–]Morphs_ 42 points43 points  (12 children)

Exactly. AMALT I guess. A lot of guys have issues with girls cheating in any LTR but they do the same thing themselves by spinning plates on the side. That's a double standard I don't get.

[–]BullshittingNonsense 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Not many men of honor these days. You can say the women started it, but men are the ones who are supposed to be the grown ups and lead.

[–]MisterRoid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's dishonorable to betray a friend. It's only OK to rat a cheating friend out if he's in a relationship with your sister or another female family member, because family always comes first.

[–]Morphs_ 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Then again, who decided that we're supposed to be monogamous? It's not in our nature, that's for sure

[–]BullshittingNonsense 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I’d argue that everyone being so unhappy with dating these days is evidence monogamy is what we are meant for

[–]Morphs_ -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Bold claim. More than enough studies prove mankind's tendency to seek out more than one partner. And you state unproven that "everyone being so unhappy with dating" .. to which I personally disagree.

Which makes me wonder, what interests you in TRP?

[–]BullshittingNonsense 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The self-improvement, sone of the sexual strategy, and some of the truths about female nature.

[–]AnteesAntaas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why you are being downvoted. At one point in history 17 men reproduced for every 1 man. In human nature, a minority of men get the majority of women, and the rest get nothing. This is basic TRP.

Slowly, but surely, TRP will become just another bluepill PUA crap.

[–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sexual behavior in pre-civilised societies typically had men in higher status with many females, but seldom the opposite which we observe in post sexual liberation Western societies.

What is natural is irrelevant anyway, our nature is to beat another male to death with a stone to aquire the female.

[–]Rhynocobear 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So how do you explain oneitis and bp belief? These cucks dont spin, most don't sleep around. So is it all men or some men?

Or is your statement more that all men "would" if they thought they could (which society and women spend a lot of energy trying to prevent)?

[–]Morphs_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The latter. Every guy looks at other women lustfully, even when in a relationship. If there was not any consequence (including your conscience) for fucking other women besides your wife/LTR, all guys would do so at some point. The fact that guys watch porn en masturbate to it is essentially that, an imaginary fuckfest with other women.

But as a guy it's harder to pull off, because you want to be sure sex is happening in advance. Getting rejected while trying to cheat isn't the best thing to happen, right? For women this is much easier, because a woman only has to follow along with a guy. She can use plausible deniability all up until LMR, reasoning that she wasn't going to cheat. And even afterwards, she'll pull stuff like saying it didn't count as cheating because blah blah.

[–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP is ambivalent ethically.

Personally, I've been the other man and I avoid it for a few reasons, it's risky, there is an abundance of alternatives and I'd like to less of an asshole where possible.

Some men are more pragmatic, if not them then some other man.

[–]notonlyplace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you missed the point, society calls out men on their shit, but paints a perfect picture of women

[–]notonlyplace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beside the point when society states otherwise

[–]throwlaca 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I was friends with a girl when I was 25. This was in the 2000's. We were truly platonic friends so we shared everything, she was like one of the boys.

She usually went travelling with her 4 or 5 girl friends, to the hills, 2 or 3 day small trips to the beach, etc. All of them had boyfriends, now several are married to them.

All cheated. All of them. Its a thing like, the one that didn't can rat out the others, so basically the group forced all of them to cheat. It was a fuck fest. They fucked in the bathrooms, tents, etc. I was horrified back then, I couldn't look at the boyfriends face in meetings. Now it's all clear, AWALT.

As for my friend, I ended up fucking her several years later but well, that's another history.

[–]smirk_addict 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Did your SMV increase or was just about finally having good logistics?

[–]throwlaca 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I was the most BP friend-zoned incel back then. My SMV was close to zero, she did modelling and sold her pictures for money. It was a stroke of luck. She insisted I was her "gay friend" even if I assured her I was not gay at all.

One night she wanted to "sleep together as friends". I fucked her in the ass, came inside her, then the next day I was back to being her best friend. Luck and logistics I guess, we lived in the same building. She had huge tits and I sucked them every night but "as a friend". I don't know how I managed to convince her to do such things. Girls are crazy.

[–]smirk_addict 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro there are so many layers to how interesting that story is. LMFAO. The dynamics of that friendship sound fascinating. If I had increased my SMV and learned game, it was would be honest toss up between cutting her out of my life completely or fucking the shit out her every now and then.

[–]1htbf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She had huge tits and I sucked them every night but "as a friend". I don't know how I managed to convince her to do such things. Girls are crazy

You could have fucked her each of those nights.

She was in an exciting position (toying with a man's desire is exciting for any girl and it's dangerous because if they go too far, they run the risk of the man gaining control over their own lust).

So yes, taboo shit is exciting, Of course girls cheat, it's the most fun they can have no matter how much they love their BFs. Their best orgams will come from lovers, not boyfriends.

[–]AyeAmScottishYaCunt 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Been doing the same in NZ, the shit I’ve seen, heard and been involved in would blow some tops..

Trying to fuck in 8 bed hostel dorms is a real fucking challenge though.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Fucking in hostels requires a lot of creativity. If you're staying in a mega hostel, find the cleanest bathroom, this is usually on the floor where the female only dorms are or on a floor which shares room space with privates.

Florescent lighting is fucking horrible to fuck underneath though and many girls will be put off. A tip top tip is to turn the lights off, switch on your phone flashlight and set it down to illuminate the room. Boom, much more flattering lighting.

The unfussier the girl the better, when I was in Australia I just led a girl round the back of the dorm hut and fucked her on the grass outside. The beach is always a good option if it's good weather as well

[–]AyeAmScottishYaCunt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Had to fuck a girl in one of those lifeguard huts on the beach, funny experience but not one I plan on going after again.

Fucked a cute little English girl on the double bed of a 6 man dorm, luckily managed to get an hour of the room to ourselves and didn’t waste a minute

Then the general getting/giving head in the bunk beds to be discreet/less noise, in showers and bathrooms etc..

If they’re girls in the same hostel it’s easier, randomers on a night out require a lot more effort

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Don't have girlfriends.

Don't get married.

Don't expect anything except disappointment from MOST human beings in general.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Don't expect anything except disappointment from MOST human beings in general.

This is a really bad way to live if you want to maximize the power you have in life whether it be social, financial, intellectual, or any other form of power. But the meaning we apply behind power is more important than the power itself, and seeing the worst in most people while improving yourself could lead to your improvements being like a curse that only causes you pain, because they remind you more of your disconnection to life than your connection to it. Not trying to attack you, just giving my two cents for whatever the exchange rate its worth to anyone reading.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Not problem my man. You're correct; the way I stated that was overly cynical. I should have said "detach from outcomes". This tends to be an attitude that keeps momentum going in a positive direction, without being too attached to anything enough to inhibit smart decision/strategy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey.. we all make mistakes. I'm wearing pants.

Just kidding. I see where you are coming from.

[–]Mr-Ed209 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Travelling for women is ALL about getting consequence free sex.

[–]re4d3 30 points31 points  (6 children)

The only way to prevent this was to burden the woman with kids and keep her under supervision of extended family at home. That woman's "liberation" from the 60ties was nothing less than escaping shackles of lifetime duties with unattractive husbands and free pass to chase chads, enabled by pill and weakening of traditional morals. At the end, they and the whole society are worse off. Nothing is for free; but whoring women are death of civilization.

[–]SolarWizard 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Also going back even further when everyone lived in a village or a more set area with little opportunity to move away (because the majority of people throughout history wear poor/peasants) there was little incentive or opportunity to cheat because every knew everyone and honor and reputation were paramount.

[–]chrisname 6 points7 points  (3 children)

And before that, all the men hunted together so there was no one to cheat with. I wonder why women evolved the tendency to cheat. In men it's obvious, a hypothetical ultra-Chad could impregnate a different woman every day from the age of about 15 basically until he dies. Women OTOH obviously can't be impregnated by more than one man. at a time. Hypergamy doesn't explain it, because the man she cheats with is not always superior to the other man. Maybe it has to do with war. If a tribe is conquered by another tribe and all the men are killed, the women's best bet is to change their allegiance. That way, they will be taken as wives and able to have more children. Any children they already have might also survive.

[–]Deus_Vultan 4 points5 points  (2 children)

(I think)It sort of has to do with war. 50% of the men that ever lived, never fathered children according to both old and recent dna studies.

Studies also shown men suffer for a much longer period of time if the relationship were to end in a "bad" way.

I think this suggests that women evolved to be more ready to switch partners, for any reason.

[–]chrisname 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That also makes sense, although I thought most men not fathering children was more related to women's selectiveness. Same reason that 80% of men are judged to be below average by women.

[–]Deus_Vultan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure to what degree a women could be selective for the first 99.9% of human history. Not only because of men being stronger but also populations not moving from their place of birth more or less.

[–]Rhynocobear 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree, people still cheated. You just got a rep along with it. Some societies would do something, others would try to hide it. But it still happened.

[–]ramfex21 8 points9 points  (8 children)

My LTR is planning a short 3 week holiday solo to Europe. I wasn’t happy so I’ve planned a month solo trip to Asia. I’m certainly not going to be that dude patiently waiting at home.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 25 points26 points  (0 children)

she's not gonna be there alone i can bet money on that

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She's not yours anymore. Definitely should break up with her.

[–]tlaatonmai 10 points11 points  (0 children)

She will for sure be sucking a lot of cock, 3 weeks is a long time bud

[–]throwlaca 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Demote to plate. Is the only way to mentally cope with the idea that she's going to cheat.

[–]johnbranflake 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Dude break up with her after a few days in Asia. It will drive her insane thinking about you ducking Thai girls and she will be thinking about how to get you back the whole time your gone.

[–]truedemocracy3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

LTR? Why didnt you do the trip together? Not saying 'break up with her' like the rest, but she has to have a good reason for that or I'd be very suspicious

[–]smirk_addict 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would just break up. That's apparently what she wants to do for 3 weeks.

[–]al-isybik 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Good post!

I used to work in a hostel, I have seen some shit myself.


[–]NueveReinas 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Living in Scandinavia but not scandinavic here, local chicks here a total disaster, never settle down with a swedish or Norwegian they rode the cuck carrousel more than you can imagine

[–]AlQWEffos239 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I work at a bar,I remember this incident where a guy paid for this girls entry and drinks to be later cucked as the girl he was with starts kissing fandoms guys. Eventually lefts with one and leaving the cuck at the bar by himself.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 8 points9 points  (1 child)

He fucked himself by his act of generosity.

[–]AlQWEffos239 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of chicks act like there reaching into their wallet while looking at the guy so most of the guys look back and pay.

[–]smokecheck1976 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's not a cuck, that's just a dude taking a sucker's bet. He learned. Most of us have been there at some point.

[–]Seven_Veils 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Random question, but what do you do for money?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was working in Insurance in my home city where I saved up a tonne. I'm a landlord back home as well so I have that supplementary income. Out here I'll graft any job for some money at the moment, I'm going to settle somewhere in November again and this time interview for remote work

[–]smirk_addict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew a guy that did this from Canada. Young, good looking dude. He and a friend did door to door sells for maybe 5 or 6 months and the dude made like 30,000. He traveled in Australia, Africa, and Asia. He'd take local jobs just careful to never put too much of a dent in his money. I met him while living in Japan. He's annoying as fuck, has mental problems, and socially retarded. But with his looks, always looking for a party and being a foreigner always on the go....he was ALWAYS getting laid.

[–]Alchemist_XP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh dude for sure! I remember explaining to this girl I used to hang out with years ago, about a previous experience with another girl who had a boyfriend, but was super easy to get in the sack. As I told her the story she tells me “never trust what a girl says, ever. We are masters at lying” I kid you not she was just telling me this. She was pretty down to earth for a girl, but I guess deep down she knew what was up. Further she tells me about a story of her own when she was almost caught cheating. Her boyfriend suspected she was fooling around with this guy (she was) ... he called her out one day assuring her he had evidence and she said she was able to lie through her teeth and deny it until he started to believe her again. She said in her mind she was thinking “holy fuck he can’t possibly know I covered my tracks so well” !!!!! But anyways back to my previous point. The original girl who I was with, she would lay in bed after we just finished up and catch up on her bfs text she missed while we fucked. Then they even spoke on the phone... could you imagine, talking to your girl like everything’s all good... yet she’s laying in bed with another dude about to tear another strip off her?? Boy oh boy! There’s women are doing these things fellas!!! It’s unbelievable. I may seem just as guilty, but hell if I had a gf I know I couldn’t cheat like that! So I don’t think it’s the same IMO. Anyways I went off on a rant, ty to those who read this!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Or... maybe the boyfriend is getting some side action of his own while she is off “finding herself”.

[–]sadshark 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why be in a LTR if that:s the case?

[–]truedemocracy3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, not everyone has the time/money/interest to go on bullshit backpacking trips abroad to get 'cultured'.

[–]miranto 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's not how a cuck behaves. I mean the story is interesting and all, but that's not how a cuck behaves.

[–]1Sir_Distic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People are starting to toss the word 'cuck' around like it's bread at the local park feeding the ducks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awalt is why women used to stay in the home caring for children and keeping the house clean. Less of a chance for them to catch STIs or get impregnated with a bastard child.

[–]CreatedItJust2Saythi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're in a relationship and your girl wants to travel for an extended period without you, let her go but let her know she's now single

'You don't have to ask me for permission to go; you have to ask me for permission to come back.'

[–]ezapril 1 points1 points [recovered]

Hey op, what does "A&F" mean in your 2nd point towards the bottom?

Also could you post those stories you have? All of them would be good aside from the last one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Abercrombie and Fitch b

This one has been quite well received so I'll do another tales from back packing blue pill example write up next week. The Antarctic open relationship one is the saddest shit ever lmao

[–]RexPillerson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what is the move if your LTR is studying abroad for a few weeks?

[–]As-You-Were 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I met a girl who was travelling around the country I live in and had her blowing me while she phoned her man back home in Ireland. AWALT

[–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can only imagine how funny that must have sounded, her phoning her guy while giving you head simultaneously.

[–]SpecOpsAlpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve had two ltrs, both were with truly wonderful brilliant women.

And that’s the secret to an ltr: find a good moral woman with a brain. If she earns big money, then she’s not with YOU for the dough but because she really loves you. I make in the low 80’s (unka pays dogshit) and my wife makes twice that. Three kids, great home life, and it’s all good. (First ltr died btw, don’t go there)

[–]startsmall_getbig -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

This post really uplifted my mood and sort of given me a hope there is a chance. There is a girl who I regularly see in the university and the only guy she sees in real life in the city. We all moved in the city for grad school and her being, "introverted" and all, hasn't made any real friends. But, I really like her but the only thing which pisses and bugs me off is the fact she had a "boyfriend" who lives all the way in China.

We talk on text and see in person too and she talks a lot with me. I make her laugh and she makes my laugh. So today around 9, I told her let's go eat but she was like, "I need to go home at 9:30". I became a bit aggressive and went on like why do you need to go back so early. She responded by, "my boyfriend will be waiting for me". Instead of being a BP and telling her to fuck off and being really dickish or a loser or childish by going like,"okay I don't want to go eat with you",' I calmed my nerves down and stayed coil Yes, a guy in fucking China waiting for her girl. A guy who only gets to see her twice ir once a year. Best part, we ate, chatted and laughed all the way into late night.

The only problem is I'm starting to feel like a sociopath than a true friend I've made her believe I am. I'm just testing theories on how far I can push her. One of the theories is that if you spend x number of hours with someone, the relationship becomes from acquaintance to casual and etc. It was trending few months or weeks back.

[–]smokecheck1976 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'm just testing how far I can push her.

Not one damned inch further than she wants to be pushed.

One of the theories is that if you spend x number of hours with someone, the relationship becomes from acquaintance to casual and etc

You mean that people that spend time together tend to develop feelings for each other? I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you. This is something our ancestors knew without needing "theories" about it.

The only problem is I'm starting to feel like a sociopath than a true friend I've made her believe I am.

Look, if you don't want to be a dick, that's easy enough. DON'T BE A DICK. Stop thinking your are maneuvering her emotions around some sort of chess board. Stop trying to manipulate her according to some obscure and non-sensical set of rules. Enjoy the time with her, connect with her, and if things lead a certain way, then great, if they don't lead that way, then also great.

The part of the sidebar that deals with picking up women works fairly well for one particular type of woman, young, extroverted, club hopping types. It won't work on an introvert because that isn't how they relate to people. Introverts almost always go for an emotional connection and they are extremely loyal. They don't want the loud show.

[–]startsmall_getbig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand what you're trying to saw. I keep on reciting things in my head which I read in the past here, one of them is "she owes me nothing" which helps a lot.

Looking back when I turned off my mood when she said "I need head back because my bf in China will be waiting for me on the phone", I'm just glad i still went out with her and had a great time. I thought she'd rush through the food but nothing that sort of thing happened.

But I guess I might be unlucky for having a thing with a girl who is introverted and has a bf. Only thing I can do is try to focus on emotional connection and I just enjoy talking and chatting with her. She even keeps on telling me "we chat too much". We hit up really well, school and what we want to do and what's the current issues are like (related to school) I honestly will get real bored if all i talked was "how was your day, what did you do...etc"

Emotional connection seems the thing I'm seeking with her, thinking back. Thanks!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you feel bad about what you’re doing you should stop and reevaluate. Yeah meeting women dating and sex is a lot of fun, but if you feel you’re sacrificing your moral dignity for that and turning “sociopathic “ IMO that’s just as destructive to your individual autonomy as being blue pulled.

Personally I don’t go after chicks in relationships. It’s just not right to me. I hooked up with some nasty skank who was in a relationship who talked a bunch of shit about her cuck boyfriend and the poor guy commit suicide a few months later.

Only case id consider taking another mans woman is if she’s good quality LTR type and her mans a loser that deserves to be replaced.

[–]Myagooshki4004 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You can't really figure all girls are like this. Either way, there's a lot of ltrs where the people are apart for a year and then they get back together like nothing happened. You can't assume they're all infidelious. I'd say it's highly unlikely that they're all infidelious or that the infidelity of such is found in a majority of women. Especially not the super romantic chicks.

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