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Field ReportHow life changed after growing muscles and getting bigger. A lesson for everyone swallowing the pill (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Nex54

I’m 1.65m tall. Started seriously bulking from 54kg around january 2017. By the summer that year (June) I was slightly bigger but wasn’t that big of a deal; some people noticed it, but not much of a fuzz.

I kept bulking and excercising. People at home noticed it, but outside, I was getting bigger in a “concealed” fashion. A couple of weeks ago temperature went up so I started wearing t-shirts, and that’s when it all started.

I’m 70kg now. I’m not “shredded” but I’m not really fat either. Women look at me, at my biceps, at my chest, at my “abs” section, etc.

At work, three of my female coworkers suddenly started acting differently. The shorty, bitchy, bratty one started walking near me and getting closer without turning away, as she usually did (I called her out on her bitchiness a few times and she hated me for that ever since).

An hb5 post wall started laughing at anything I said and making tons of smiley eye contact out of the blue. In addition, she put her legs on a desk next to mine at least twice... come on :)

Another post wall hb5 with whom we always throw jabs at each other found an excuse, for the first time, to touch my traps in an a totally unlike-her fashion.

Another one started acting all nervous when I talked to her about usual work stuff, trying to avoid looking too much at me, trying to avoid making mistakes, etc.

And the guys... one of them (taller, thin, always “neat”) had started wearing t-shirts and stopped as soon as I wore mine. Unbelievable... another one (my height, fat, beard, nerdy, 42) kept looking at my body each time I was around.

I’m not bad looking but height and weight (thin) were really a problem. I was confident and arrogant but lacked everything else to back it up, and people eventually realized that. And now things have changed.

Men should stop pussying out and should go get bigger, stronger and grow a spine. If you had confidence, youl’ll get even more. If you lacked it, you’ll start getting it.

And the world around you won’t be a passive/active nightmare anymore :) thank you TRP!


[–][deleted] 267 points268 points  (2 children)

You have every right to feel proud of yourself. Been lifting for 7 months and the only thing i regret is that i haven't done it sooner.

[–]AllahHatesFags 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I felt the same way when I started lifting, being pissed at myself for not committing to it earlier in life.

[–]Bisuboy 21 points22 points  (0 children)

We humans like to focus on the bad things. Why not focus on the good things? Starting lifting 7 months ago is better than starting in 5 months. That's a full year of progress difference.

[–]MrH0rseman 81 points82 points  (1 child)

Yesterday i was having a dinner with my smoke buddy (she is in a long distance relationship) told me that you look little bigger and wide shoulders (lifting, 7 months) and touched it.

After that when we were heading to some place, i was texting someone on a dating app and she got angry.

Threw a couple of shit test and asked me to show the messages. I didn’t but she insisted that I don’t want to read, just want to see. There were messages with more than 5-6 lines, back and fourth and here comes the tantrum.

She: Are you guys writing poems to each other? Me: No, why? This is normal conversation to me. She: Then why are you replying me with single line/words? Me: I’m dating her, not you, you’re just a friend.

I enjoyed that smirk on my face.

[–]12wangsinahumansuit 116 points117 points  (27 children)

I'm in 12th grade. I started lifting at the beginning of this year. I remember back in 9th grade when a teacher would have the desks arranged in clusters for group work or whatever I'd sit at my own cluster at the beginning of class and have it to myself for the whole period.

About a week ago the same thing happened. Desks that were normally arranged in rows were in groups of 5. My friends in that class were all skipping that day so I sat at the empty desk cluster closest to the door. By the end of the class there were 4 girls sitting with me. Two of them asked me to decide who I had a "deeper connection" with. I may not be getting laid every other day but I'm still glad I found trp this early in life.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I may not be getting laid every other day but I'm still glad I found trp this early in life.

You will be. This is how it starts. The small successes bring the confidence you need for the big ones.

[–]Eagle_Tech_Alpha 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm going back to school to finish my degree at the ripe old age of 33. In my math class, all six or seven of the girls in there have a crush on me. I've already fucked three of them. The other ones are just not that attractive. None the less, I've got all these bitches doing my homework, bringing me food, running errands for me. The spiciest part? The three chicks I fucked in there already have husbands/boyfriends. And just like that they cheat on them. It has been quite illuminating and amusing how they hamster it to absolve themselves of any fault or guilt. Really gets the noggin joggin'. I can see why in the past it was just common knowledge that any time a woman goes out, she must have a chaperone. If you don't keep an eye on them, they will cheat on you. Who knows how many times in the past I was cheated on without even knowing it. Absolutely cold blooded.

[–]12wangsinahumansuit 17 points18 points  (8 children)

I read the first few sentences under the impression that you were talking about going to High School and I was a bit concerned. I don't plan on getting laid until I'm in college, but it's still amazing to see what a bit of muscle and confidence can get you. For me, the amount of female attention I've been getting lately is surreal

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is what I'm doing too. Got no time to chase girls. Got no time to go out and build social circles. I'm so focused on finishing high school and lifting/looksmaxing and improving myself. I was a total nerd at 14 (i'm now 18), probably a 3.5/10 in term of looks. I'm now a 6-6.5/10. I had like 3-4 friends and never talked to a girl. Now, even if I'm still a virgin, I can tell I improved so fucking much. I've approached like 50 girls and every time learnt something new about game. You won't succeed without failing first. Last time I played a videogame or switched the tv on it was like 7 months ago. Got no time for that useless shit. 95% of people are doing that. Be the other 5% who indeed has success in life.

[–]barachoochoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude. I love you so much right now

[–]bl_12 1 points1 points [recovered]

The three chicks I fucked in there already have husbands/boyfriends.

Nothing cool about this.

I've got all these bitches doing my homework

Goes back to college at 33 to have other people do his homework.

This is a humble brag post and it's lame.

[–]chinese-bible 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nothing cool or 'alpha' about this.

I don't think it's cool (or necessarily immoral, that's more on the girls). But I think he's trying to illuminate female loyalty, or lack thereof, in behavior.

Goes back to college at 33 to have other people do his homework.

Yeah that is quite lame. What's the point? Just get the degree? Women are doing his math homework? (no offense there are some brilliant ones but -- it makes you sound like a nincompoop)

[–]MTNSC1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought the same thing.....a 33yo man goes back to college and does something that a 15yo does in middle school? I might even see that coming from a 20y0 frat boy bragging over a keg at the Friday social but a 33yo man who has fucked his life enough so far that he is nearly 33yo going back to get an undergrad degree?

Come on people have some semblance of awareness when you are being trolled.

Yeah....r hatistotallyhappening.

[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Biologically main sexual strategy of alpha is fucking a lot of different girls and then leave parental care to betas. So by definition this is actually alpha behaviour. And this is most efficient reproductive strategy - you can have unlimited amount of your kids (i.e. genes) without using your precious resources. And moreover you also can help raising your own kids from your favourite woman at the same time. Of course now with complex social structure and DNA-testes there are a lot of downsides to "fuck all girls, betas will raise your kids anyway", but biology is biology.

As about homework - there are a lot of more important things to do than this bs if you just need to get the degree.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it wasn’t for child support laws & the family court cartel, this would be my preferred strategy to spread my seed now that I’m single.

[–]precisionclear 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Can you give examples of how they hamstered cheating? It would be interesting to know.

[–]Nex54[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s about feelings, not rationality. Imagine yourself jerking off: once you are really horny, you can fantasize about anything and it’ll do the trick.

If a woman gets the feels, she’ll ride your dick and won’t be thinking abour right or wrong. The bulging dick in her pussy is all that matters at that point.

[–]Eagle_Tech_Alpha 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'll have to tell you later because one of them coming over to fuck before class. ;)

[–]rcwhitaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've had gf's in the past and i've always been pretty well convinced they were faithful. I got a big dick, i'm kinda tall, somewhat built, somewhat lean, somewhat goodlooking and the sex was always prime with them, thats why we kept at it.. but i read shit like this and can't help but become incredulous.

I left the first because i had cheated on her a bunch of times and it was getting to be too much, the second one i didnt cheat on, kind of as a proof to myself that i was capable of monogamy, but then caught her in a lie (not that bad but not trivial) and left her. Just cant take that shit knowing what i do.

[–]azhiker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm so happy for you. I'll never get to use a time machine to right myself but I feel so hopeful reading about youngins such as yourself. PM me if you'd like a longer response but if not, know that self assessment and commensurate action is a superpower.

[–]cruzbmx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

boy will college will be fun for udude. found trp around junior year of highschool. I never got social validation, so I didn’t find out I was good looking until I got to college, started working out, and people wanted to get to know me. Left highschool a virgin, but was 5 deep by the end of first semester. Keep lifting, helps the mindset, and that’s everything. It was definitely a blessing to have the sub

[–]WorkThrowAway125 138 points139 points  (0 children)

You have followed the ways of Brodin and been shown the light.

Travel well on the iron path.

Wheymen

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (6 children)

Repetitive but we need the reps. If you're not built, you're missing out. We talk about Anger Phase a lot here.... I think I'm with the OP in Wonder Phase. We all hear about lifting...... it's just so fucking true. The change is just drastic. It's hard to describe.... or overstate.

[–]pigvomit420 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I’m very new here and mostly reading posts and working my way through the sidebar. I haven’t run into the literature about anger phase etc although I’ve seen it referenced a bit. Where can I find the stages and what they mean? I’m pretty sure I’m in the anger phase. I’m 35, divorced, and my opinion of women isn’t very high at the moment.

[–]lemonman456 19 points20 points  (2 children)

It's just a ripoff of the five stages of grief. You have a bunch of young guys here that are super bitter towards women. The anger stage posts are filled with hatred for women just because women are a bit different from men.

I see a few common trends with the anger stage guys that all stem from putting women on a pedestal and then learning that women aren't perfect.

  1. Getting upset that women prefer high status, physically good looking, confident and charming men.

  2. Getting upset that women won't be their sex-slaves/mothers. Guys that demand a women will love them no matter what, clean up after them, and fuck them all the time.

  3. Worshipping men and saying women are garbage. They paint all men as honorable leaders and all women as sneaky manipulators out to ruin everything and everyone they come in contact with.

I think the mods need to start banning posts that do these things, because it turns into a MGTOW circle-jerk. If you want to be successful with beautiful women, give the women what they want. A bunch of the posts here are from fat, ugly, boring guys that think they deserve a harem of super models.

[–]jihocech 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fat, ugly, boring guys did not think they deserve a harem of super models, the think they deserve "the one". There is a difference between "monk mode" and MGTOW. Caterpilla needs time to turn into a butterfly, AFC needs time to turn into much better version of himself.

[–]greenlittleman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is really depends on the country. In Russia where I living amount of guys with muscles is high - almost 1/3 guys here either lift or learn martial arts in some form, or just train their body with regular workouts. But in western countries where a lot of guys don't do any physical activity at all and women are more interested in looks (because of social conditioning mostly) I understand why it could be so effective.

[–]daniael31 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Good reminder to everyone. Wanna get girls ? Look good. Wanna look good ? Lift, groom, style it up.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Started a new job. Got called muscles the first few weeks. Even though I’m 6’ 175lbs, 10-12% BF. So I’m lean and ripped but not huge by any means. Girls definitely mire and a few take any chance they can to get touchy with me. Back mainly. Working out will change your life.

[–]youngzari 5 points6 points  (3 children)

What are your tips for cutting fat? I'm about the same as yourself, 6'2, a bit heavier at 195 pounds. I'm bulky but I'm trying to get ripped/lean. Any tips? Also how to determine your BF?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mirror is the best determination. I got a dunk tank test done. Calipers are supposed to be #1 next to DEXA scan. Eat clean Whole Foods, track calories, weigh food, eat at slight deficit, increase cardio.

I’ve always been skinny/lean. Bulking is the hard part for me.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Weight loss is determined by a highly complicated formula.

[Calories in] - [Calories out] = Weight Change

[–]no92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my research the dexa scan is the best way to tell actual body fat percentage, as long as you use it both times for comparison with similar hydration.

[–]jekporkins77 25 points26 points  (25 children)

I’m in high school, I went from 5’8 120 my freshman year to 5’10 180 my senior year. Even went to nationals for powerlifting. Still haven’t got a lot more attention. Am I doing something wrong?

[–]MarcosDomingues 52 points53 points  (2 children)

No you didnt do anything wrong believe me. People tend to exaggerate their stories when it comes to fitness transformations. Sure you'll get some compliments, maybe some chicks eyeing you but that's pretty much it. If you dont approach people or go out frequently, like me, your muscles are not going to change that.

[–]jekporkins77 28 points29 points  (0 children)

That’s true. Some guys get so obsessed with the gym they have the perfect body yet refuse to do anything that might hurt their precious bodybuilding and they end up being so awkward or antisocial

[–]anabolic92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This again, comes the big confusion of TRP regarding lifting.

Lifting is good to create an habit, to see results of your own effort, create discipline.

If you read OPs thread you can clearly see that he's only talking about the benefits he gets from external people, men and women, most of the time.

Lifting doesn't actually has to mean more women attraction/attention.

[–]Ontopsoon 16 points17 points  (1 child)

You could be high body fat %, not wearing fitting clothing, or not be carrying yourself correctly (good posture, confident demeanor)

[–]spirot 57 points58 points  (2 children)

if you're a powerlifter you might be fat

[–]Andgelyo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I doubt he's fat, when I was 180 5'9 i was getting massive IOIs from everyone. I had the explosive athletic look going on. He probably needs to fix his hair and wear v neck shirts.

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Am I doing something wrong?

In the last 2 months, how many girls have you approached and from that, how many numbers did you get, and from that, how many have you asked out, and from that, how many have you taken out?

If your answers are: 0,0,0,0 then yes, you are not doing something right.

[–]jekporkins77 2 points3 points  (7 children)

How do I even go about approaching them and getting numbers?

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I can reply tomorrow with some easy tips.

[–]aznredpill 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Dont let lil nigga down boi

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The observational opener is the easiest way to approach anybody, its easy and low risk. You observe something unique or interesting about her, something she is holding, wearing or doing, you compliment or comment on it, and you ask her about it. Like this:

First, make solid eye contact, smile or smirk, and say "Hey... I love that cute leather jacket... where did you get it?" or

"hey... I fucking love your hair color... do you dye it yourself?"

"OMG... you are wearing all purple... I love purple... but I am not sure I could pull it off like you, only wearing purple ya know... Is purple your favorite color?"

The goal is to observe, make eye contact, smile, and say something... anything really... what you say is less important then how you say it.

Since I am a bold-ass give no shits mother fucker (grandma fucker too), I especially like this next one and use it often:

"hey... I've seen you around (campus) a few times now, so I wanted to come over and say hi... what is your name?"

Again, solid eye contact, a genuine smile or smirk, and you are 75% where you need to be.

These openers work anywhere and everywhere, day or night.

Now, if you also have problems on what to say after she answers you, then I suggest you take a step back and just learn to talk to all people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People

Read that book 10-15 times until you know all the strategies.

Let me know if you need more info or tips.

[–]aznredpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong guy. Reply to the other message

[–]Nex54[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Could be the environment (high school), the way you look (bf %, powerlifting, etc) or something else.

Wait until you get out of high school, and you’ll see :)

One more thing, I was a confident, little arrogant jerk at times, but I was small and weird. Now I’m stronger, more imposing, and the same things that made me look pathetic now make me look good.

It’s not just the body, it’s your attitude, confidence, etc.

[–]blacklightsleaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good for you that you already had confidence and cockiness. I started from low point in both aspects confidence and fitness. And after I gained the muscle my confidence came.

The awe usually comes from people who used to know me as skinny guy and it feels good. At my old job me coworkers and my boss started to act a little bit differently. I felt in the past that they somehow looked down on my, but after I got buffed they started to back up and agree with me when we argued about stuff.

And agree the environment definitely matter. In gym I look average compared to other guys I go with, but compared to my ex skinny fat coworkers who never lifted I look definitely above average.

And the girls... they love confidence and muscles.

[–]ftdrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't be too ugly, a gnome, or too good looking ( think Leo Dicaprio) if you are either one of those, lifting won't help you that much, but it's a major game changer for below average to decent looking dudes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be your environment as well. I live in a area where 2 out of 3 adults are labeled overweight according to the state. Beautiful women are far & few between.

Unless you like fat girls......

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s just one piece of the puzzle. I was always fit in high school and I didn’t get shit.

[–]Dawaggon 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Over the course of 5 years I've went from fat ass to being accused of juicing a bit. The change in how you're looked at can't be overstated. I'm taken more seriously now.

[–]precisionclear 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Can you still look big without using steroids? I've seen videos of "natural " body builders who'd been working out for a decade. Could barely tell if they had a long sleeve shirt on.

[–]ColonelMitche1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You can look good, but our perception has been skewered by prolific juicing

[–]Veretox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yea, like athlean for example

[–]DanzNewty 14 points15 points  (1 child)

My entire life I looked down on well built guys as having insecurity issues and low self confidence who have to make up for it by spending all of their free time in the gym. That girls didn't take them seriously anyway. I realise now that I was just a jealous, lazy fool.

[–]Nex54[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The funny thing is you don’t even need to spend all your free time in the gym. I train three days a week, and I got my gym at home, so I maximize my free time.

[–]Livecrazyjoe 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I noticed the guy thing. Its weird getting the up and down stare from a hetero guy. I have large traps too so its one of those things that makes a presence for sure. Ill be walking behind someone and they sense me and stop to let me walk past them instead of me in back.

Lift people lift.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I get opened by people like 10x a day.

Chicks STARE, chase, grope and stalk me.

That's like year one.

I used to be scared to talk to chicks. Now after a year chicks are either scared AF to talk to me or go (mildly) psycho.

[–]stylesm11 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Can i ask how you bulk without getting fat? I have been told i am going to have to pick up bulking and cutting cycles to stop from plateauing

[–]Dawaggon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

  1. Clean diet
  2. A REASONABLE caloric surplus based on how active your lifestyle is.

[–]shrimpeye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

take your sweet time with the bulk. figure out what calories your body needs to maintain (google that) then eat at a surplus of 200 - 500 calories a day.

people get fat by massively over eating. it's just easier to just cram a shit ton of food in your gob rather than measuring what you're eating precisely. I still struggle with counting daily, but it's worth it

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try to keep fat at 25% of your total daily calories and aim to gain no more than 0.25-0.5 pounds a week.

Eat Clean.

If you want to cycle in more fat on rest days at the expense of carbs(The Martin Berkhan approach/Lean Gains) that's fine.

[–]Nex54[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Don’t go overboard with your calories and be patient. For example, I’m at 2300 currently. Small gains, but constant.

[–]stylesm11 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about the cardio?cut out completely?

[–]Nex54[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In my case? Yes. I walk everyday, do the stairs, and lift, so I settled for that. Once I get to my target weight (80?), I’ll cut and may start doing cardio.

I’m putting mass for the first time in my life, so I’m skipping cardio. I used to run in the past, but there was no muscle gain.

[–]Dabunghole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read up on how bodybuilders bulk up. The rest is crap.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (11 children)

as a fellow manlet, be happy for our illusion of quicker growth.

Cheers! Good shit.

[–]Yabadababoobs 3 points4 points  (10 children)

As a fellow manlet, I feel like nothing has changed after two weeks of lifting, I dont even have adonises yet. Also I didn't get sore after the third work out. Maybe I'm not using enough weight.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Don't even focus on form; just strap 2000 pounds of deads and go straight for it.

[–]demshter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You stop getting sore, that's normal.

[–]LeftHello 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Not necessarily more weight, but more reps. Are you going to failure every set? A common noob problem is "saving some" for the next set. Your body only grows when you overload it.

[–]Da_llluminati 1 point2 points  (4 children)

lots of broscience here. do not go to failure on every set, not if you're natural. the body ONLY grows when you give the muscles stimulation followed by recuperation.

[–]LeftHello 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Obviously you go to failure then do a rest period for a period of time (1 to a few minutes). It's not like you go to failure then just like immediately do more crap.

[–]Da_llluminati 0 points1 point  (2 children)

OR you go to failure once a month and still grow because failure is not neccessary for hypertrophy

[–]LeftHello 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I really think we mean different things when we say 'failure'. I simply mean when you do say, 12 reps and you absolutely can't do another one without stopping and resting (even if that rest is only a few seconds).

As opposed to saying, "I can do 12, but I'm only going to do 10 because otherwise how am I going to get to my 10 reps for the other two sets?"

I'm talking about failure in a very short time frame, not like, a workout where you literally can't move at all at the end.

[–]Da_llluminati 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yep, that's failure. it's still not a must.

I'll say somethinge else, but I won't make it overlong.

a lot of bodybuilders act like they hate their bodies. they "destroy" their muscles, they "bomb" them, annihilate, whatever.

this mentality will surely bleed into the mainstream weightlifting world. however it is not the optimal mentality to have.

love yourself, love your body. leave 2 reps in the tank. going full on failure does not bring anything but injury.

[–]rad_dynamic 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Shh. You're telling everyone the BEST and EASIEST way to get girls. At this rate everyone's going to go to the gym and being big wont get you an advantage!

Haha, in all seriousness, it should be obvious to anyone. Lift god damn it. I'm only a couple months in, but I have had such a huge confidence boost because of it in the space of just 4 months. My friend who's being going at it almost three years now, gets so many IOIs from girls it's ridiculous, if only he wasn't awkward with girls he'd be swimming in pussy.

[–]Nihev 9 points10 points  (10 children)

Heh I'm 6'1 and 200 lbs and don't feel big at all.

[–]willowhawk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bigarexia man. One of my friends is 6ft2 200lbs. Guys the biggest in the room 9 times out of 10

[–]warburgio 4 points5 points  (7 children)

i'm 6'0 and 230. Nor feeling big yet either.

[–]Gaius_Octavius 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Then you are probably at a higher bf % than you think. Having been 230 and lean (albeit an inch shorter) I felt huge. No, I was huge and people definitely took note.

[–]PM_ME_UR_FAV_QUOTE_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

230 and lean at 5'11? That's fucking humongous dude. What does that even look like?

[–]Gaius_Octavius 5 points6 points  (3 children)

A little too big for comfort actually. Only time I've ever felt stereotyped because of my appearance. I don't think I have any pictures from that cycle accessible(yes, of course I was on something) but here's a video of me at around 222lbs and a similar leanness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZIIebKny40

[–]abnegavalence 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What was your starting weight?

[–]Gaius_Octavius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Starting weight? As in before I started lifting or something else?

[–]warburgio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PPL told me i got way bigger and am veiny when i visited motherland. I believe its a self-image issue.

[–]Flikxs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can relate. In high school I was not popular. Fell into weightlifting at 15 and was hooked. Went everyday. By my senior year I was all star tail back, on TV, in newspapers and on all of a sudden the honeys wanted to go to lunch with me and chill. This was my first introduction to hypergamy in 2001. I'm 34 now, I slayed a shit ton of tail in college and my twenties was full of dumb sluts from bars, Myspace, etc... I look very young for my age people say I look 26 which is good. And I've never stopped lifting. I'm currently 5'8 - 220lbs solid. I definitely understand the height disadvantage. But recently I've started leaning out and I've noticed I'm looking like I did in my college years but with and extra 40lbs of muscle. I wait tables in Newport beach California and work at a coed recovery center in Huntington Beach. Since cutting I've noticed women young and old looking and acting really girly around me. I've got a chick who aggressively suggests she wants to fuck. We've made out after work. And the young honeys just look better and better. I mean, I love how the older I get the 20 something chicks just look better and better. Like some ripe cherries. I love the fact I pulled out and avoided knocking some broad up. I feel I'm gonna go on a spree of some of the best pussy I've ever had once I hit 200lbs. I definitely suggest bulking in the gym if your shorter. Taller guys have it made but a woman wants to feel feminine and muscle helps her feel protected. It turns em on.

[–]uebermacht 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Respect bro!
Pure motivation!! :)

[–]broscientologist 4 points5 points  (2 children)

And with these gains come great responsibility

[–]Nex54[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know, so many post walls must now be made “full” :)

Seriously, I know it’s not all looks in the end, but it’s really exciting when you realize you have the power to wet so many women, even if they are not hb9 or hb10.

[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What the hell - Rule 1 works?

YES - If you are reading this and not lifting - FUCKING LIFT

Great work sir.

[–]theselfmadealpha 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You know what I love about building muscles? It's hard. It's hard fucking work and there's no way around that. And that's why most guys don't have them. They want them, but they don't want to do the work. And while I always encourage men to eat right and lift weights, there's a part of me that's glad most of them don't - because it makes us guys that DO have muscles, even a little bit of muscle, look a million times more attractive to women.

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed with everything you said. Let them be the happy beta bucks who thin they can slam pussy by being "themselves" ;*)

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s the best feeling when you get rewarded for your hard work and dedication. Good job.

[–]jamaicanmecrzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can absolutely vouch for this. Pretty ugly, was at one point 125lbs. Up to 140 now and the way people act around me has definitely changed and women are far more responsive and notice me now

[–]swordshab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t sound like you are getting an puss tho

[–]Bigsammy610 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can totally attest to this. My conundrum is I'm pretty damn huge to the point where I feel like it's kind of become my identity of sorts. I train hard and push my body because I love it and I could care less what people think about me. But with much muscle comes much responsibility I guess

[–]boy_golden1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. Back when I was still a skinny dude, people often disrespects me, talks shit on my shortcomings. When I got bulkier, no one even dared insult me anymore. IOIs from girls were frequent and I got massive confidence overall

[–]HumbleRedPillStudent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have been lifting for 1.5 years, 6 days a week, for 1.5-2hrs a day.

4s and 5s now hit on me, and I sometimes catch 6s and maybe 7s checking me out.

It hasn't necessarily changed how much I get laid-- 6s and 7s still aren't making it easy. It might be that I'll always be pale and bald no matter how big I get; It could be that I still need to lift more; but most likely it's a moderate absence of flawless frame control and superior game.

I'm glad that things are changing for you, OP. Remember to act like the prize that women are starting to see you as :)

[–]Finessence 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I signed up for a half Marathon that’s coming up June 3rd and I lost all my gains that I was making over the winter because I couldn’t lift and keep up with my running training schedule so I’m excited for it to be over so I can get back into lifting.

[–]Veretox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

shit, I love running, and I'm afraid of nothing, but that thing you described - scares me !

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Dude, seriously? You can't lift one day per week for maintenance?

[–]Finessence 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I did for a while but I wasn’t maintaining and the little mass id accumulated over the last couple months all dwindled so it wasn’t really worth it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That sucks. I'm pretty protective of my gains....i do run, but only 3, 2.5 mile runs per week.

[–]Finessence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I run four times a week at over 20 miles a week so it’s a lot harder to keep up and I just got too busy to be in the gym and lift for next to no gains.

[–]universalabundance1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good for you, niggah! I am glad to hear of your improved physique and improved life! There is more to come for you, baby! ;) Keep up the discipline! :)

[–]amekooky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so damn, true...... the problem is everyone wants 6 second abs but many cant even put in 6 months of hard work.

I cant tell you how many people are shocked at my quick body recomp from 240 to 180 that began January (and still going) which included maintaining a large portion of muscle mass.

its polarizing to see how much both externally people respect you when you are fit and muscular, and how it affects you internally with self esteem and confidence.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

May your lifts be heavy and your form be true.

May all the swolemaidens swolest you further with their large eyes and even swoleier hands.

Wheymen!

[–]CommonPhilosopher 1 points1 points [recovered]

70kg is chicken weight man.

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It depends on how tall you are

[–]CommonPhilosopher 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well if you are 170cm then yeah it's fine.

[–]pdiggs1500 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right on.!!

I'm a bit of the opposite. Started out as a fatty,...well I'm still fat, but no longer obese...and I'm lifting the fat away. Within 2 months, my body has begun to recomp, and I'm beginning to get those female looks/comments at work.

TRP and Lifting. I wish I knew this combo 20 years ago!

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (1 child)

damn bro you were skinny. good for you. keep building mass. get to 85kg you'll be a beast

[–]Nex54[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll keep bulking until I feel like I’m too fat, then I’ll cut.

[–]Tdemps01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am 6'3 and 250lb. lean and look like i lift with or without a shirt. i recently moved to toronto from australia and the comments when i get here are much more noticeable from guys and girls. whether its from work colleagues, the randoms on a night out or on the street at daytime to my barber telling me he wants to looks like me lol

[–]SAgoAway 1 points1 points [recovered]

This post is inspiration to me. Gaining weight has always been very hard for me. I used to be around 5'0 90 pounds in high school and felt like it was impossible to get respect or for girls to care about me longer than for 2 days. Now I'm 5'8 130 pounds (biggest I've ever been) and I still don't think I'll feel like a real human until I'm 150 or something. I've always found social situations difficult. I'm hoping gaining 20 pounds will make me more confident.

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

And you are 5'8! I'm 5'4-5'5 at the most, so you can imagine how pathetic I was when I weighed 115lbs and tried to act like the alpha dog lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’ve found that creatine really does help build muscle as well. First of all, it’s totally safe. It’s been looked at in study after study and no negative effects have been found.

Second, it does not just make you look bigger by adding water weight. This may be an added effect for some people, but the main thing it does is increase your anaerobic output by saturating your muscles with phosphates. When you do anaerobic work your muscles break down ATP (three phosphate chain) into ADP (two phosphate chain). The ADP then must recombine with another phosphate before being useful again. Creatine helps this process, giving your muscles greater output, helping you lift more weight, helping you build more muscle.

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve found that creatine really does help build muscle as well

I've just eaten food until now, and I intend to keep other stuff out of the system unless I need to do otherwise for health reasons.

If it works for you, I'm happy! Just be careful not to mess your metabolism with stuff man! good luck

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (6 children)

You could delete everything else and leave this sentence:

Men should stop pussying out and should go get bigger, stronger and grow a spine. If you had confidence, youl’ll get even more. If you lacked it, you’ll start getting it.

If you have enough confidence you won't be needing the size. I've said this many times and I say it once again:

Getting bigger (while staying at normal ranges) isn't the reason why people treat you differently. It's your increased self confidence which causes the change how people treat you.

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Getting bigger (while staying at normal ranges) isn't the reason why people treat you differently. It's your increased self confidence which causes the change how people treat you.

I don't agree. Attractive people are treated differently, no matter how confident/insecure they are. For average people, it tips the scale in one direction or another.

Let's say you are the most confident guy in the world doing your thing on your everyday life. Do you really think bigger guys are gonna let you get away with being a small rock-star? They won't. The whole "haters are gonna hate" stems precisely from the conviction that others will just let you be :p One way or another, the fact you are small is gonna be used against you.

In my experience, people look for weaknesses in others, and being small/short is a weakness. You may have confidence, but you also have a weakness. You can play it smart and make it so others won't target you, but that won't make you "the best", just one of the bunch.

Be average or stand out, you can have it both ways.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (4 children)

We are talking about weight and height here.

I guess I should have emphasized the normal range a bit. If you don't belong to top 10% or bottom 10%, the change in your size doesn't matter too much.

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I guess I should have emphasized the normal range a bit. If you don't belong to top 10% or bottom 10%, the change in your size doesn't matter too much.

Again, I don't think that's the case, but I may be wrong. Bottom or top 10% are just 20% of the population (really lucky or really screwed). We all tend to fall in the middle, and we already know the average guy is a loser beta buck that's waiting for life to happen to him.

From that point of view, change can have a significant effect. One of the women I talked in the post is my height and can always wears boots, so she's effectively taller than me. Last year she would have slept with me. Now, I'm pretty sure she would. What changed? It wasn't my confidence, it was the fact that I'm now bigger, more muscular, guys mess with me less, and other women pay more attention and are more attracted to me.

For example, consider elijah wood. Google a picture of him. He's like my height. would you think he's the kind of guy girls would usually be attracted to? Would you consider him... a man? He isn't.

This is the kind of guy girls settle with. He has money, and kind of "fame", and he's still a loser. Put him in the gym, smashing weights and bulking up, and you'd get a guy girls would fall for.

In the end, in my opinion, it's not about height or weight, it's about becoming a man. You could look like a child and be the most confident guy ever, and you'd still look like a child. Start pumping out testosterone and become a man, and things will change. but you can't do it with height, so you have to target other aspects, ie, your muslces.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You crawled out from bottom 10% in terms of size. Your experience is an exception so you can't make a rule of your experience.

We are talking about height and weight here (mostly weight). You try to blend in many other topics too.

Last year she would not have slept with me. Now, I'm pretty sure she would.

Did you approach and escalate her last year? If no, how do you know? Did you try to approach her now? If no, how do you know? (But Gz, this shows that your confidence has really improved).

Also:

I’m 70kg now. I’m not “shredded” but I’m not really fat either. Women look at me, at my biceps, at my chest, at my “abs” section, etc.

You may not be shredded or fat but most likely you are a bit chubby now because of that 16kgs maybe about 6kgs is muscle mass. This means your BF is probably near to 25% which starts to be a bit chubby.

Additionally: Now, where does this happen where women look at biceps, chest etc? I've been bulked up to ~108kg and now I'm shredded at ~91kg. I've never noticed girls looking at my "biceps", "chest" or "abs". The magic happens when girls see me naked when we are about to have sex. Usually after the sex they really take their time to look at me but when opening at DG or NG in public locations - nope. Another thing: Why I see no shredded/fit guys ever telling here how girls look at their bodies? - Well most likely because it rarely happens in public unless you are without a shirt at a park and in really good shape. When out of shape dude gets in the shape - it's more like that the women don't look away anymore filled with disgust and of course the guy thinks that now he is getting IOI's.

And don't get me wrong here. Great work and keep going but don't assume that you can make a rule out of your experience.

[–]Winterknight82475125 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just read through this comment chain. It souds like zechraiah is just trying to argue for his limitations. Ok dude. Dont lift, and dont eat right. More poon for me.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I've pretty much reached my natural limit. Can't get any more better shape without juices.

[–]EventHorizonMeltdown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Went from 50kg to 60. I'm a little taller than you. I still look thin and I'm much more happy with it. The bulky look isn't my priority right now. I look "proportionate". I would like to have a little bigger arms tho. Had a lot of compliments when people noticed the change but I'm too autistic to notice interest. Unless it's months later when somehow it clicks,but it's too late.

[–]radicalizedIncel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

As someone who's been lifting for five years and who was shredded until like 6 months ago... my experience has been completely different. Guys ask me for exercise advice all the time, but no girl ever gave a shit even slightly about my muscles. They never checked me out, let alone complimented me.

I’m not bad looking

Men should stop pussying out and should go get bigger, stronger and grow a spine.

Men who aren't bad looking should do all that. Some men are just wasting time in the gym if their bottleneck is elsewhere. Like if they're ugly.

Ugly + muscles = uglier

[–]Nex54[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I have to agree I haven’t been dealt the “ugly” card. However, statistically speaking, “truly ugly” guys aren’t probably all that common. Most guys look uglier because of other issues, not genetics.

[–]carvedouttastone 0 points1 point  (12 children)

some of you guys are pretty delusional thinking that at 154 pounds anyone is noticing your "gains". OP, I'm the same height and outweigh you by almost 50 pounds and I'm still far from what could be deemed "impressive" or noticeably big. Lift if it makes you feel good, because "feeling good" is what's attracting you attention and compliments. But don't confuse gaining muscle as a large factor in what is attractive to females.

[–]Nex54[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Ok, maybe you are running with the wrong crowd or have other issues making you feel bad.

My arms are noticeable compared to my body and girls keep looking at them. Girls who are shorter fixate on my pecs when I walk by, and when they are seated and I’m standing next to them, they keep looking at my abs.

By the way, 200 pounds at that height is kind of too much lol. Maybe you are fat?

[–]carvedouttastone 1 point2 points  (2 children)

yeah, I'm sure they hand our Arnold Classic amateur titles to fat people. 🙄 Maybe you're a little full of yourself and girls are really thinking "what a douche" as you strut around thinking you're the cock of the walk. I'm imagining a 154lb wannabe swinging his dick around the gym with arms akimbo, lats locked out in an eternal struggle against the tight lycra of your XXS Body Glove compression shirt. Show a little humility. It's why I hate these fuckn threads. Enough tools in gyms already without attracting even more delusional Zyzz cunt wannabes.

[–]Nex54[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the girl rubbing her breasts against me is really disgusted and is trying to push me away xD

Btw, if you haven’t noticed already, humility will really help you get over your insecurities. Good luck ;)

[–]Winterknight82475125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're so good, why even bother posting? It should be beneath you right? I think you should take a lesson in social skills, because you sound like the kinda guy I would never want to hang out with.

Men calls those people assholes.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (4 children)

i agree 154 is still not big, but the dude went from 120.. so you gotta give him some credit

[–]carvedouttastone 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I give anyone credit for self improvement and gaining results. I'll even gladly help them go the next step and minimise the learning curve. I just can't stand the self aggrandising mentality that promotes the wrong message to others. There's so many laugh out loud comments on this thread, I feel like printing them out onto a foldable A4 that I keep in my wallet to remind me during that bad times that at least I'm not the saddest cunt out there.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what i'm saying is that from 120 to 155 is a big difference in weight and if he's talking about his coworkers that obviously saw him at his skinny ass weight, they'll notice the difference so they're giving him the attention. granted, if he showed up at a club in my city, he'd most likely go unnoticed, but he's still making gains

[–]Nex54[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just can't stand the self aggrandising mentality that promotes the wrong message to others.

Stop being so passive in your life and start kicking ass. Nobody will respect you if you keep asking for permission to have a “self aggrandising mentality” xD

[–]S-Blaze 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well if you're bulky but fat you won't be impressive unless you pack the height with it. I'm at 75kg and I do look pretty impressive with the right cloths, big traps, good shoulders, good pecs, good arms, thin waist, good legs. Getting a good shred and bigger, height 1,75m. I don't strut around for attention and I get plenty. Defined muscles are a large factor.

[–]carvedouttastone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

this is what I'm talking about; at 5'9 and 75kg, you're emaciated, not built.

[–]S-Blaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No i'm built and getting there my bf is just low, I just got back into it a month ago. Once I pack another 10-15 lbs max of clean mass (checked my current it is 170 lbs) i'll be gold for my height. Weight doesn't mean much, it's how you look unless you wrestle or specialize in that kind of fighting.

[–]-PmMeImLonely- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m literally that height and it makes me insecure af. I don’t do lifting as I find it a bit embarrassing to enter a gym, but I do calisthenics/bodyweightfitness and home workouts

[–]GGGfanboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember not to shit where you eat

[–]SpecialistParticular -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Working a 9-to-5 where women are constantly ogling and touching me and acting like bumbling idiots sounds fucking awful.

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