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#MeToo aims to make men criminally liable for all of women's negative post-sex feelings. (self.)

submitted by DickTerper

Have a read at NYT's latest #MeToo article, and realize it isn't about consent anymore. In virtually all accounts cited in the article, the woman fully admits she gave explicit verbal consent prior and during the sex, which was never withdrawn.

Yet these women label their experience as a traumatizing sexual assault, and their partner as a sexual offender.

A summary of these 45 stories would be: woman and man meet, have consensual sex, woman catches negative feelings after the sex, retroactively considers herself raped, can't press charges since our regressive rape-culture laws fail to recognize her as the victim she is.

The goal of this movement is clearly to amend the situation, and allow women to pursue criminal charges despite having consented. The article is explicit that these women are all traumatized victims, and their partners are criminal assailants who got away.

There's no more pretense that men can do much about this. They're simply responsible for their female partner's emotions, period. For example, they should notice that the woman isn't into the sex. In fact, in one case it seems the man's only fault was that the sex was bad, so performing poor sex is also a criminal offense. If you're a man, of course.

Remember the old radical feminist propaganda that all sex is rape of the woman by the man? Well, I have news for you: it's no longer extremist or radical - it's become mainstream. It's at the very core of the #MeToo movement. Arguably the most influential paper in the country posts a front page story that includes a woman's report that "most, if not all" of her sexual encounters were non-consensual.


I wanted to separate out this part of the post, since it's important to recognize that us men are not in any way responsible for women's post-sex feelings. We are responsible for our own actions, which in the case of sex include backing off at our partner's request (contrary to the custom in most other countries outside of the rape-culture-west, where she'd just be literally raped and then stoned or burned to death if she tries to press charges.)

So on principle, the woman's post-sex feelings are her own business and responsibility. Nobody asks us how we feel. If a man tried to retroactively annul a consented marriage because he felt bad about it afterwards, he'd get laughed out of any court.

How or why women get these post-sex negative emotions is no concern of ours.

However, I do think it's curious that this article, that dives headlong into the subtlest minutia of women's feelings and thoughts, doesn't consider how in most cases the woman seems to catch these regrets soon after the sex is over. She suddenly "finds her voice", tells the man he assaulted her, kicks him out of her bedroom.

Note how the situation hasn't changed. The couple is still isolated, she is still naked and "vulnerable", etc. The only thing that changed was that the sex has been had.

How can the article, and all these female "reporters", ignore the obvious conclusion that this is just buyer's remorse?

The woman was horny, so she had the sex she wanted, gratified her lust, now she's stuck with the cost: being labeled a slut for quickly yielding to her desires with a man who isn't her socially acceptable partner, boyfriend or husband.

This happened in virtually all cases, yet the woman wonders why she only found "her voice" or "power to resist" after the sex is over, "too late". Bitch, you were horny, you wanted to fuck, so you had your sex, then retroactively disavowed consent because it's convenient.

In other cases, it's obvious the woman regrets the sex because the man treated it as was it was - a quick first-meet hookup - rather than provided her with the "happily-ever-after" package she clearly deserves.

Betas and other unattractive men, take special note: you are a high risk group for this happening. In most accounts, the man was displaying beta qualities during or after the sexual encounter. Which makes sense: women who had sex with a beta should feel bad, biologically speaking, especially when no commitment was granted in exchange. They got possibly impregnated with bad genes, without the compensation of material support or commitment - the worst possible deal for her, evolutionary speaking.

It's no wonder their emotional system spins into a negative cycle strong enough to be remembered as a trauma: they must learn, they must remember, never to do this again. Their genes' survival depends on learning this lesson.

It's no coincidence that many of these accounts involve a woman's first sexual encounter. She did not know, did not expect, this harsh lesson. But she must learn.


So let this be a warning to you: if you want to participate in the hookup culture - the only mating culture we presently have, really - you must not be beta.

However, while betas are at the highest risk from women's post-sex regret, they're not the only ones by any means.

At this point, #MeToo's overarching objective is to grant women absolute power over men, by instituting the legal authority for women to completely destroy the social and material status of any adult man they choose. If you are a man, and you had a sexual encounter with a woman, you must keep her happy - by her own definition - in perpetuity. Or else.


[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

There's a reason Sexual Utopia in Power is in our sidebar. This was long predicted.

[–]3trplurker 287 points288 points  (60 children)

First rule of dealing with rape accusations and the Police, keep your mouth shut. I'll say it again, keep your fucking mouth shut, don't say anything because no matter what you say it will be twisted, taken out of context, or had words inserted or removed and then used against you.

In the USA at least there are several layers of legal protection that ensure a women pushing regret rape can't get you convicted. The first being they have to actually prove sex happened, then they have to prove it was non-consensual. The first is virtually impossible without a rape-kit or your own cooperation. When it's her word vs nothing, because you didn't say shit, then the whole thing gets tossed aside. But if instead the guy was an idiot and talked to anyone, or he was really stupid and told the police "Yeah we had sex but it was consensual" then he's really stepped into it because he just admitted to having sex. Or even if he, like an idiot, told the Police "nah we didn't have sex", the Police can then construe that as admitted that you were with the person at that time, which is motive (cause apparently all guys want to fuck all girls all the time) and opportunity.

If its the workplace and someone says something it gets a bit dicey but remember that labor laws are on your side, provided you don't admit to having sex with the girl. The guy needs to be the first person to Senior Management / HR (SM is better if you have friends there since HR weenies don't want to piss them off) and make allegations that the girl is spreading malicious rumors and gossip. Create the frame that you, the guy, is the victim of her malicious character assassination attempts and that she'll stoop to outright lying. Remember she's a women, she's told at least one verifiable lie to someone in the past 72 hours, even more if anyone goes digging. The male needs to be on the offensive from the very start, women win so often because we let them.

Always remember "Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations"

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 185 points186 points  (22 children)

Actually never talk to a cop ever. For any reason. No matter how innocent you are. It's not their job to help you. It's their job to collect evidence. Get a lawyer involved asap. Preferably a good one.

[–]destraht 110 points111 points  (10 children)

I saw this about ten years ago and its timeless. Don't Talk to the Police. They will almost never torture or beat you so just treat most of their requests for information as if they were the homeless guy who asks you for your sandwich. Just politely decline. People talk a lot about frame with women but not much is said about frame with authority. In the West, in most areas dealing with the police is super easy and basically training wheels compared to what has gone on in much of history. If you can't stand up to these guys with your constitutional rights, cameras, courts, juries and absence of torture then you don't deserve it.

My longest friend is an analytical idiot and more on the artistic side and felt a need to please. He absolutely fucked himself into a felony by answering questions even after he declined the first several times. They'll just keep asking and weak people will give in to them. You might be in an uncomfortable chair, your favorite show is coming on in two hours and you want to catch it, you have to piss and this guy just keeps asking you the same question in different ways. So you answer because you are weak and then six months later you might just see their questions blacked out on a page with your heinous words highlighted. You don't have to speak. If they aren't going for your fingernails, if you don't see an iron maiden, rack or scary looking torture kit then just shut your mouth. Don't fucking talk.

Why am I going on about torture? Its because that is what used to happen. We have a system now that can't do that. So don't fucking talk. Easy. Done.

[–]friendandadvisor 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This.

I'm not trying to turn this into a post-a-thon of great quotes from the DTTTP video, but, one thing stood out to me: Do NOT even tell them the truth. Example: You are in Charlottesville. You tell the cops "I was in Charlottesville." They have a witness that mistakenly thinks you were in Jonestown, and testifies such. The jury will believe your false accuser, and you will then appear to the jury to be a liar!

This totally shocked me, but, imagine how the jury looks at it. The cops have you. They have even worked long hard hours and found a witness. Here you are. Obviously, hardworking cops don't actually go and arrest somebody for no reason. Obviously, YOU are the liar.

This is unfair and unConstitutional, but, welcome to the real world!

[–]Troll_Name 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We have a system now that can't do that.

Crooked tends to come in clusters. Crooked cop, crooked DA, crooked judge; the correct answer is simply getting out of such a place if you sense your environment to be one. The absolute worst possible answer is to assume there's some bubble of invincibility around you because of writing on paper. "Enhanced interrogating" people all the way to death row or life just to claim a victory is normal globally. USA, for all of its above-average traits, is not immune. Much like Barry Bonds they will find a method that gets results but doesn't fit the description of rule-breaking.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 38 points39 points  (6 children)

Actually never talk to a cop ever.

Note: This goes double if the badge is federal. There is a federal crime called "making false statements", under 18 USC 1001. That's how they nail people when there is no underlying crime or if they can't actually prove any underlying crime. It's how they make sure someone "gets got".

If you are talking to two FBI types, one is taking notes, all that his notes are are whatever he felt like writing down. They may support you, they may not, both guys might "remember shit differently" etc. So shaddap.

Anything YOU say to a LEO is an "admission"; anything your lawyer says is just your lawyer talking.

[–]AloofusMaximus 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Also keep in mind LEO ARE absolutely allowed to lie to you. They can tell you "we have video evidence of you at place X" when in fact they don't. Also you don't have to be mirandized unless you're being detained, so talking to that cop in the house when you're not yet "under arrest", is still admissible even though you weren't told "you have the right to remain silent".

Also don't jerk them off more than necessary. "Officer I'm invoking my right to remain silent, so am declining to answer any questions" is much better than, "Fuck you pig".

[–]1Sir_Distic 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Miranda ONLY applies in interrogations. Just standing at your door asking questions isn't legal interrogation. Also they can use anything you say during that, even if you haven't been read your Miranda warnings. They may not be able to use your words as testimony in court but they can bring up things you said to gain evidence.

As everyone else is saying STFU when dealing with LEO. Period.

  1. I'm invoking my right to remain silent/5th amendment right etc
  2. I do not consent to any searches.
  3. Am I being detained or am I free to go?

All of those can save your ass if you're not a dickhead about it. Be cool but always remember THE POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS when talking to you.

[–]Troll_Name 2 points3 points  (1 child)

4: try to be smooth about saying these things.

The only thing worse than tripping over the obstacle course is having them hold a grudge against you personally - it happens. It happens more in small towns that aren't swarming with mafia citycops. The easiest way to get a grudge is to puncture a high-status man's ego. If you fight for people's rights against police then assume the grudge is there.

I've seen an entire neighborhood sealed off over obviously-fake DV calls that the wife was making every single night just to fight dirty in her divorce. Husband was a civil rights lawyer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The last is important. Don’t needlessly antagonize them. They’re human too and still subject to human nature.

[–]189econs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A pig on a power trip is difficult not to antagonize...

[–]Dark_T100 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The only words you should ever say to a police officer is "I want my lawyer"

[–]Troll_Name 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Get a lawyer involved asap. Preferably a good one.

To expand on this:

1: You need a SPECIALIZED lawyer. If you're getting divorced then don't bring a civil lawyer. If you're being charged with a crime then don't bring a criminal lawyer who mostly fights other charges. If you're being accused of DUI because the cops forced 50 tests then cherrypicked the one they liked ignoring all others, then go straight to a DUI lawyer with experience and reputation.

2: You need a HEALTHY lawyer, in every measurable way. Bad habits lead to worsening conditions, leads to hospitalization, leads to divorce because the income dipped, leads to empty business account because the wife lit gasoline on her way out, leads to every single client losing unless they can afford another lawyer faster than the gears of poorman's recourse can grind. Source: law jobs. Hourly reminder that money is power in this world.

3: You need an ETHICAL lawyer, meaning he doesn't play tragedy of the commons with his case load (or have a boss doing this on his behalf.) Sleazebag lawyers don't give a rat's ass if you walk or hang, if they're already getting as much money from you as they can. Likewise a lawyer's shitstain wife will take a large check you're sending in for future use and bill it down to zero over the next 24 hours.

[–]valery_fedorenko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What specific steps would you recommend to find a lawyer that satisfies these? How would you search these out and is there a list of questions to ask them?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

"Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations"

Now if every man who has been accused of metoo bullshit actually did this, there wouldn't be a metoo movement right now.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

How does this square with the next day text?

I have one girl trained to send me a "thanks for the high hard one" text, and she does every time, which is simply pristine.

I'm talking about the first time, though....it's a great idea to get that "I had a great time" text the next day, but.....how to word yours in a way as to leave doubt that sex had occurred?

[–]DrShankton 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“Did you enjoy last night, what was your favourite part;)”

[–]LordHodorsfourdoor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't give away free information, talk to lawyer

[–]-HomoEconomicus 4 points5 points  (25 children)

So if you're in the US, would it be a good rule of thumb in this case to plead the 5th?

[–]3trplurker 36 points37 points  (24 children)

No such thing as "plead the 5th", 100% Hollywood bullshit. The 5th Amendment just says you can not be compelled to testify against yourself, the key word being compelled. The state can not force you to give testimony, in other words they can not force you to answer questions. They can still ask those questions, you are not required to answer them, and most importantly your refusal to answer the questions can not be used as evidence against you.

You want to know what the 5th amendment looks like in action, here is how it goes.

Officer > Mr Lurker, would you mind answering a few questions we have. Mr Lurker > I apologize offer but I've been advised not to answer any questions without consulting an attorney. Officer > Mr Lurker this will only take a moment of your time. Mr Lurker > I'm really sorry officer I can't assist you at this time.

That's all there is to it. They are either going to arrest you or not, if they are there to arrest you absolutely nothing you say will change that. Contrary if they don't have sufficient evidence to arrest you, you can most certainly give them that evidence. Just say you can't speak to them without an attorney, and no attorney will ever advice you speak with the police.

[–]Occams_Stubble 14 points15 points  (1 child)

They are either going to arrest you or not, if they are there to arrest you absolutely nothing you say will change that.

But be polite and courteous. They can jack you up by arresting you for suspicion of "x" and then deciding not to prosecute. Bring you to the station, either ruin your day or make you stay the night.

[–]-HomoEconomicus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Thanks for making it autistically clear

[–]FrgElder 1 points1 points [recovered]

How does this work in court if you're testifying as a witness? Or asked to testify as the accused/defendant?

[–]3trplurker 20 points21 points  (12 children)

If asked you just refuse to testify, then they have to get a subpoena to compel you to show up at the courthouse. You show up, when called you just state that you don't wish to provide any testimony. They can ask all the questions they want right there in the court room, you simply respond that you don't wish to answer any questions. After a few of those answers the judge will dismiss you and get super pissed at the prosecution for wasting their time. If your the defendant then they absolutely can not call you to the stand, the judge will tell them to fuck off. Now if you take the stand to testify in your own defense, which is a REALLY stupid idea, they absolutely have the right to cross examine you. You can try to refuse to answer but it's going to make your case look even worse then if you had never spoken. This is why lawyers exist, if you want to say something you have your lawyer draft a statement and they present the statement.

"Pleading the fifth" is pure hollywood bullshit. Your "plead" is just something you tell the judge at the start and can be a number of things including, guilty, innocent, no-contest and so forth. How the fuck can someone "plead the fifth" to a question? It's a fucking question, you either answer it or you don't.

What police officers are trained to do is illicit a response, any response from you. They have to give you a quick class on the 5th amendment which the Miranda ruling provided, after that class you can then choose to answer or not. A lot of people initially don't answer, but it's an uncomfortable room and the officer makes it sound like if you "get through this" you can "go home", meaning if you answer their questions you can leave, which is bullshit. They are trying to get you to waive your right against self incrimination and answer their questions. Instead the proper response is to ask if your being detained or are you free to go. They won't answer at first because they really hate that question but after you ask it a few times they must answer. Their answer will either be "yes your detained" or "you can go", no in between, you are either under arrest or you can walk out. If your under arrest then they must provide you an attorney and you get to see the judge for a bail hearing and all sorts of official shit starts. If your free to go you walk the fuck out.

[–]BrenHam2 9 points10 points  (7 children)

If anybody could give a european/UK court description of the above it would be much appreciated....

[–]Mukato 13 points14 points  (5 children)

OI! You got a loicense for asking for legal help on a hate speech platform? /s

[–]189econs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whea you loicense for that butter knife ya cheeky cunt?

[–]Fyrjefe 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That's not far from the truth. The UK is already putting Bobbies on shitpost scanning duty.

[–]Mukato 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I know, that's what makes it sad.

[–]Pestilence1911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ol queen eraelf be beatin eh first mate that laughs at a frog on watch.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Huh? You can’t refuse to testify if you are a witness to someone else’s trial. The subpoena is an order from the state to appear and testify.

Refusing to testify would place you in contempt of court. The only things you don’t have to answer are self incriminating questions- same as always.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are the one on trial you cannot be called to the stand by the prosecution. Only your lawyer can call you to the stand. If you are a witness, then you have to answer questions.

[–]Modredpillschool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 146 points147 points  (20 children)

For example, men must notice if their female partner isn't fully enjoying the sex, and immediately address this problem

The end goal is to make men always responsible and guilty for having sex and to exonerate women under all circumstances.

She no longer has the responsibility of saying "no" or "stop". Instead the man is expected to both get her to say "yes" (enthusiastically!) at the start... and she isn't responsible for ending the experience if it doesn't suit her wishes... the man also has to psychically determine if her experience isn't good enough.

Does this apply to any other aspect of life? If I buy something, do I have to verbally consent to my money being taken? Do I have to say "yes!" and smile throughout the experience and never regret it lest it be theft?

How can the article, and all these female "reporters", ignore the obvious conclusion that this is just buyer's remorse?

Because women are perfect and never wrong. What she thinks, what she FEELS is the only truth that could ever be considered valid. The man, and indeed facts themselves be damned.

It's no wonder their emotional system spins into a negative overdrive strong enough to be remembered as a trauma: they must learn, they must remember, never to do this again. Their genes' survival depends on their learning this lesson.

In the cases of retracted consent the trauma is self inflicted to get victim points, validation and exoneration. It must be terrible, everyone says it is!

Society is peculiarly and singularly obsessed with maximising the female sexual experience. Anything that makes her experience less than 100% mindblowingly thrilling gets redefined as rape. Because this suits women - reduced responsibility, increased attention.

It's no coincidence that many of these accounts involve a woman's first sexual encounter. She did not know, did not expect, this harsh lesson. But she must learn. Her genes' survival depends on it.

Nah, it's not genetic. It's her social conditioning: "Blame men for everything, everyone will agree with you, and you can be seen as a virgin again".

MeToo's overarching objective is to grant women absolute power over men, by instituting the social and legal instruments for women to completely destroy the social and material status of any adult man they choose [Edit: unbolded this bit]

Undoubtedly true. The high profile cases we all know about show this. There is complete eradication of any due process or proof. Women are never held responsible for their false allegations, so what have they to lose? Society says "women, this is ok. Do this and you'll win, and they'll lose. You will never be punished for this, so it is completely ok to do it".

[–]DickTerper 1 points1 points [recovered]

Instead the man is expected to both get her to say "yes" (enthusiastically!) at the start...

If you read the accounts in the article carefully, it becomes clear that not only did the woman provide consent prior to the sex, and in most cases explicit verbal consent, but in many cases it was most likely quite enthusiastic.

The woman was horny, attracted to the man, and wanted to had sex (yes, they actually admit that in some cases).

These very recent articles really close the curtain on the whole notion that this debate is about consent. "Enthusiastic" consent (How is that to be judged? How is that not utterly subjective?) was the previous feminist goal post. Welcome to the new goal post: consent no longer matters at all. It's all about what she decides after the fact, and how she feels.

In the cases of retracted consent the trauma is self inflicted to get victim points, validation and exoneration. It must be terrible, everyone says it is!

I think that's part of it, but not the whole story. I've interacted with enough women to convince me that sexual activity can generate powerful feelings in them, positive, negative, or (most often) mixed.

I don't believe these are the male partner's fault at all, and often they result from factors completely beyond his control, such as her past, education, supposed sexual mores, etc.

Societal pressures do tend to resolve this mess of mixed feelings into some clear, unambiguous, convenient definition like "sexual assault". This gives the woman's internal reality some order, justification, a sense of identity, a way to suppress anxiety, external sympathy and support... It's really too good to pass on.

Society is peculiarly and singularly obsessed with maximising the female sexual experience. Anything that makes her experience less than 100% mindblowingly thrilling gets redefined as rape.

Since I respect you as an author, and appreciate our past interaction, I'll do you the honor of disagreeing with you here. I agree with the overall sentiment, but I don't think society is "obsessed with maximising the female sexual experience".

I do agree that the feminist movement is all about getting women everything they might crave, including sexual pleasure in some cases. I also agree that some of the recent #MeToo accounts are just disappointing / unsatisfactory sexual experiences, e.g. the Ansari affair. I further agree that feminism often assigns men the complete responsibility for satisfying women or failing to do so, as part of their overall agenda:

Women are entitled to everything, and responsible for nothing.

[–]mcbenzene 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This also seems like the perfect excuse to lie about the N count. By their """""logic""""", it doesn't count if it was rape. So it doesn't matter if she's had 100 dicks inside of her, but only mention 10.

[–]Fyrjefe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You are always spot on and deliver in such an intelligent and respectful way. Anyway, in summary, women are getting power without duty or responsibility. And it is definitely going beyond just the sexual realm.

[–]wanderer779 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I don't know if that's what it is. I think these girls just like the attention. They get to slut around, they get to absolve themselves of responsibility, and they get to be the center of attention throughout the whole process. And now, in the aftermath, instead of a trial and facts and scrutiny and all that, she gets an audience to listen to her talk about her feelings about it. She has turned the whole NYT subscription base into her beta orbiters.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You’re over complicating it. It’s regret, pure and simple. They regret what they did in the morning —> they must not have actually wanted it —> if someone has sex with you and you don’t want it, that is rape.

It’s really that simple. It’s not about attention. We just can’t comprehend this thought process because we don’t have hamsters.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (1 child)

If the world ever made these women responsible for their actions, they'd cry about how they went along with the metoo campaign due to societal pressure.

[–]189econs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The current situation is already going to shit from being so unsustainable so I expect that to actually happen

[–]SuwinTzi 307 points308 points  (12 children)

After someone else comedian Owen Benjamin mentioned it i can't help but read #metoo as "pound me too"...

[–]vetepalcarajo 95 points96 points  (0 children)

Lmao women playing themselves... AGAIN

[–]bitchpotatobunny 14 points15 points  (0 children)

[–]Wathalak 33 points34 points  (1 child)

This is an Owen Benjamin joke; gotta give credit where its due.

[–]IvanReilly 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He has since amended his comment.

[–]valery_fedorenko 61 points62 points  (11 children)

It's even worse. On top of #MeToo there is now also #MentorHer. They realized there was no one to help them anymore after the backlash against being alone with a woman at work. So now they are trying to shame men back into helping them at their own peril. You can't make this shit up.

Men, commit to mentor women. We’re at a pivotal moment. In the wake of the #MeToo movement, it’s clearer than ever we need to put an end to sexual harassment. But that is not enough. There is evidence of a backlash that could be harmful to women: twice as many male managers now feel uncomfortable working alone with a woman.1 This is a step in the wrong direction. Now more than ever, we need men working with—and mentoring—women. When more women lead, workplaces are stronger and safer for everyone.

Since the recent media reports of sexual harassment, almost half of male managers are uncomfortable participating in a common work activity with a woman, such as mentoring, working alone, or socializing together.

DID YOU KNOW? Senior men are 3.5 times more likely to hesitate to have a work dinner with a junior-level woman than with a junior-level man—and 5 times more likely to hesitate to travel for work with a junior-level woman.21

[–]bongohai 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Typical of women to double down on their nonsense, instead of taking responsibility for their actions.

[–]189econs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"taking responsibility" means losing power...

[–]MetamorphosisSilver 33 points34 points  (3 children)

I don't see how the #MentorHer movement can work. Consider the range of possible outcomes from the male mentoring manager. At best, he mentors a responsible and rational female and gets a better and more effective employee. However if the female employee that he mentors is either irresponsible or irrational, or the business result of the mentoring did not meet expectations he is now open for accusations against him. Any rational person would want to preserve his/her own career, and this puts him in a position where there is the significant possibility of negative repercussions years or even decades later.

[–]TheseNthose 16 points17 points  (1 child)

This is a step in the wrong direction. Now more than ever, we need men working with—and mentoring—women. When more women lead, workplaces are stronger and safer for everyone.

If this were true why don't they get their mentorship from a woman lead.

[–]dDiegoDLV 9 points10 points  (0 children)

hahaha

They fuck themselves over and then complain about the mess they created. You would have to be insane as a manager to goto dinner alone with a woman in this guilty until proven innocent atmosphere.

[–]AllahHatesFags 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck that; they made their bed, they can lie in it. Every man should follow the Mike Pence rule at work, especially if they outrank the woman. No mentoring until they stop abusing the rape whistle. If they want mentorship, they can get it from a woman.

[–]189econs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When more women lead, workplaces are stronger and safer for everyone.

Is this bitch trippin? if any low-tier chick in the mailroom can get the CEO fired for poundmetoo then what would a women boss do to men?

almost half of male managers are uncomfortable participating in a common work activity with a woman

Legal in most companies are advising them to not even talk to women without witnesses, its not just paranoia.

[–]1v1crown 78 points79 points  (7 children)

lol your solution is "do not be beta"..?

doesnt matter how alpha you are, if a girl wants to fuck over a guy for whatever reason (regret, victim points, money, etc) it doesnt matter how alpha you are.

[–]nofilmynofucky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is no 100% fail safe solution - even if you stay in monk mode and do not sleep with another woman ever again, you cannot eliminate the risk.

I think this is why the trp mods posted that 'stop fucking talking about metoo' post a while back: it's a very inconvenient truth that there is simply no trp strategy in existence that will ensure your safety. Hell, I got banned on here one time for suggesting as much.

[–]BurnoutRS 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Our world is so safe and soft that we have people who are coddled to the point that they become emotionally distraught over the most trivial nonesense. These people champion their weakness and instill systems and implement laws to further their (in)security

It's getting so far up its own ass and becoming so transparent now that Im certain its time will come to a close. How much damage is gonna be done in the meantime I cant say. Everyday it seems to be more and more apparent that the metoo movement and 3rd wave feminism in general are nothing more than power grabs guised as motions towards a freer and more equal society.

If a person can honestly back one of these women, that yes, they hold no responsibility for the emotions they felt... jesus fucking christ like how can that even begin to scratch the surface of making sense?

What If I fuck a girl the night she quits smoking and the next day she gets hit with full on nicotine withdrawals? What if I fuck a girl and a few days later her cat dies? There are so many factors that can influence a persons emotional state.

Are women powerful or are they pitifully helpless? If I have to go off of what the feminists and popular opinion seems to suggest then its both

[–]dDiegoDLV 14 points15 points  (1 child)

from the article comments (you cant make this shit up)

brl British Columbia May 11, 2018 When telling a group of female friends about a gray zone encounter I had with a the former president of a frat in which I was explicitly asked if I was ok having sex only to have the encounter go much further than I was comfortable with, I was greeted with stories from every single woman of similar experiences. Friends told me stories of feeling they "had to" go all the way with a guy due to his social status or out of fears of being called a prude that resonated with mine.

In my experience, I felt trapped: a lowely freshman with one of my school's "hottest guys," I would be the laughing stock of my community for saying I didn't feel comfortable. I also feared that as I had been flirting with this individual, me saying "stop" would be perceived as hypocritical nor was I sober enough to articulate these feelings at the time. Even though I had said "yes," it was not with my own voice but rather the voice of fear: fear of isolation imposed on me by my community...

The fucking shitlord frat prez was too stupid to figure out that her enthusiastically screaming yes really meant NO! She calls it a "gray zone" encounter because he couldn't read her mind and just went with it because she said yes.

[–]BurnoutRS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"I was too afraid to say no"

So youre too weak to have personal agency? So are you changing your story after the fact, or are women actually powerless? I mean, im not outlining anything I didnt already touch on above. You cant have it both ways. If women are equal to men then a woman must be held accountable for controlling access to her vagina

Man all these grey zones. I remember that time I wasnt sure I wanted to buy something but the salesman seemed really convincing. He was in front of his friends at the bestbuy and I didnt want him to be embarassed that he didnt make the sale. Then when I got home and the router he sold me didnt work I realized that he raped me.

[–]2Dmva100 117 points118 points  (19 children)

The goal of over broadening the definition of sexual assault, is to ruin the reputations of men to keep them from obtaining high status positions in the workplace, politics etc., or removing then from such positions. The Feminine Imperative has made this a huge part of their poon agenda because sex has become so cheap in today's hookup culture, so it's more effective to use the act itself against men rather than a 'prize' to be earned by being a good man in old patriarchy days.

This is especially true on college campuses. If a girl tells a college counselor a guy looked at her the wrong way, they can suspend him, tarnish his record before he can graduate, and he won't get that STEM job he was going for, and that position just MIGHT be available for the women now! (Hey Brock Turner got branded a rapist even though his dick never got wet. Only PIV sex is rape).

If women can't use the pleasure of sex to sway the men of power, they will instead use it as a badge of victimhood to tear them down, true or not. The women who shame anyone who dare question something 'awful' as unwanted sexual advances, contact, etc. are those who fear the loss of power from such accusations. Odds are those women are ham planets that cannot secure the men they want. The men who stand behind the women on such issues are just beta cucks looking for a whiff of poon.

We are seeing a change in how sex is used for power. The less incentive for men to commit to women (marriage) the more incentive women will have to use sex as a reputation destruction tool as an effort to weaponize sex by using the law in a different way. Choose committment and or marriage for legal provisioning for your woman, or go to jail and lose everything you work for in your life that you refuse to give to women. You shitlord.

The surefire way to avoid false accusations is to:

-only use snapchat (phone numbers are identifiable info)

-only go to her place for SEX and no meeting room mates

-Use a fake name/FB and dont let her see your car/plates

-Audio recording sex. NOTE: even if you're in a 2 party consent state, that doesn't keep a prosecutor from going 'oh shit' and throwing your case out because even if it's not admissible as evidence, they know she will crumble on the stand under cross examination

All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise.

[–]BurnoutRS 50 points51 points  (3 children)

I remember when all you needed for "safe" sex was condoms

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those were the days bro....

[–]magx01 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It's a society wide version of the female praying mantis eating the male after sex.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise" yes. #METOO is mostly lies, exaggerations, and women who don't even appear to understand what sexual assault or consent actually are; mixed with a very small amount of genuine victims.

Instead of "just believe" your default reaction to a woman's claim of sexual assault should be to "just disbelieve, unless she has proof".

[–]3trplurker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

-Audio recording sex. NOTE: even if you're in a 2 party consent state, that doesn't keep a prosecutor from going 'oh shit' and throwing your case out because even if it's not admissible as evidence, they know she will crumble on the stand under cross examination

Exculpatory evidence is always admissible, Prosecutors know this. If you are in a two-party state and have an audio recording of her having consensual sex, it can and should be used in your defense. Doing so may result in you confessing to breaking that states recording laws but that would be a much lessor crime then sexual assault, plus very few prosecutors would actually pursue that avenue because it's almost guaranteed to be tossed out.

[–]Jani1157 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the only answer I need to remember.... Damn

[–]Ambersunbop 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've seen this posted before, you're just reposting what someone else said in a different thread.

[–]2Dmva100 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I wrote it in a post a while ago and copied it here because it's relevant

[–]ExtremelyToxic 1 points1 points [recovered]

Feminism and the sexual revolution were just scams for women to have free access to Chad. Just lol at beta male leftists who agree to it.

[–]2CasaDeFranco 47 points48 points  (31 children)

Feminism was a shit test that collectively the West failed to identify and shut down.

Accordingly normalisation of divorce, secularism, homosexuality, transgenderism, mass immigration etc are all efforts to deconstruct the institutions of the West; these being, Family, Faith, Fatherland and Flag.

[–]ExtremelyToxic 1 points1 points [recovered]

Women don’t care about the nation or its values, they only care about fucking alpha males. Look at how so many French sluts married Nazi occupiers in WWII.

[–]colzod 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Look at how so many French sluts married Nazi occupiers in WWII.

I didn't know about this. Any stats?

[–]2CasaDeFranco 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Most fighting aged men were placed in POW or work camps so it was reasonably common for French women to date German officers given the lack of men, rationing and their higher SMV (rank, uniform, salary, German had conquered most of Western Europe).

[–]ImFeklhr 43 points44 points  (20 children)

I have to laugh at your mention of homosexuality. In many ways living a gay male lifestyle you totally avoid any potential BS re: female consent. 99% of gay guys are on the same page regarding sex. I read this sub occasionally and feel so sorry for my straight brothers. The shit you all have to deal with sounds insane. Obviously gay sex isn't for everybody, but I sometimes think being gay is the ultimate red pill move. Completely opt-out of the nonsense.

[–]mrbluesdude 1 points1 points [recovered]

So many times in my life I have honestly wished I was into dick, things would be so much easier. Fucking women are the worst but damn they fine lol

[–]2CasaDeFranco 20 points21 points  (7 children)

So would being celibate. In a healthy societies, there is significantly lower BS associated with heteronormative sexual relations.

The BS associated with sexual relations with women is because our society failed to promote healthy cultural values, promiscuity, homosexuality etc is a by product of this.

The destruction of traditional gender roles, masculinity among males and destruction of femininity among females is such that men stoop to sodomy and a meaningless life of hedonism rather than have a wife and children. Homosexuality is inherently a perversion and no healthy society or individual would encourage nor celebrate it.

Being a homosexual is not the ultimate red pill, quite the opposite - even now homosexual men aspire to live like 1950's straight hetrosexual Christian couples, married with children. Monogamy is practically impossible in the homosexual community. Instead it's a lifestyle characterised by the cock carousel, meaningless sex, STD's, depression and for older homosexuals; loneliness as they try to pursue younger men. You will live like a post wall woman after your 40's; alone and without a legacy beyond hedonism - trying to claw back someone younger to marry and have children with.

The ultimate red pill is that women cannot be replaced by an effeminate man, that pre 20th century society was far healthier than the degeneracy today. I will be the best man I can be, grow my empire and one day marry and have a large family; God willing with many grandchildren. What will your legacy be?

[–]ImFeklhr 18 points19 points  (1 child)

My legacy will be riding that cock carousel until I puke! Good luck with your family though, sounds pretty neat.

[–]ExtremelyToxic 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yea, I’m as far-right as it gets and I have nothing against gays. Sort of wish I could be one just to get easy sex. Women are cunts to deal with.

[–]tempolaca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That would be the pink pill, lol.

[–]allrandomworldnews 1 point2 points  (0 children)

shit test Divide and conquer measure to distract from other issues

[–]TheseNthose 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We got Francisco Franco over here.

[–]Joey_Lopez 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is why we can't tell females our real names or addresses anymore. We need to make sure that we can ghost 100% without a trace. It's either that or go full MGTOW. I don't think females can even blame us for it with the #MeToo witch hunt.

[–]Helmut_Newton 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Reading all this stuff, I keep returning to the quote by Heartiste: "The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality."

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very interesting, and pretty much right.

[–]SKRedPill 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The media is the ideal female space - lots of talk and noise.

[–]GrandYam_HomeRun 52 points53 points  (15 children)

Should we be going MGTOW at this point?

[–]Hillary_For_Prison 21 points22 points  (0 children)

In many ways I feel like that will be the ultimate final outcome of feminism: men abandoning women and society collapsing.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I feel like there’s been a bit of a convergence between the red pill and MGTOW schools of thought because the world has changed so rapidly. They both diagnose the same problem, they just have different solutions.

The only real difference between red pill and MGTOW is that MGTOW can live without pussy and red pill can’t. As the risks of hookup culture increase though, the difference between the ideologies narrows.

[–]ice_and_snow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You are wrong on your claim that betad are at high risk. Going beta after sex is (for now) the rather safe way to avoid relationship. Every man is at risk, but mostly assholes or wannabe alphas. Being alpha and attractive puts you in additional risk of being on target of women you have rejected. You have to be very careful to keep your distance, not being friendly or act beta towards the women who may be interested in you. This saves your ass but does not help with your rights. Human rights. (Reporting from Sweden)

[–]PlastIconoclastic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t often comment here, but this post is right on point. Women want to have the agency to get retribution for not exercising agency at the time. I will admit that I think there are some biological factors that females evolved to be more passive during sex. Hormonal changes during arousal may cloud their judgement and the cloud fades after sex. That does not make the sex a crime. Two people having sex while drunk does not make only the one with a penis a criminal. This puts men in an indefensible position if these women can act on their feelings as facts. Make sure to discuss plans for sex by text for a record. Protect yourself.

[–]greatamericancities 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Started reading the article and noticed that the first few stories include a man claiming he was pressured into sex by a woman and a woman claiming she was pressured into sex by another woman. Should be interesting to see how the #metoo movement and the cooperative legal system handle those cases.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Won’t have any effect. These are a minute number of cases.

[–]hirayama_ronin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right. They are inserted to give the illusion of equality. #metoo is all about heterosexual women accusing heterosexual men.

[–]broosloose 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I always thought I wouldn’t hesitate to speak up if I felt uncomfortable in an intimate situation. But at 1 a.m on a Saturday with a shirtless sophomore, I cared more about how to politely make him leave than standing up for myself. A week prior, we’d matched on Tinder, sporadically texting, half-heartedly trying to make plans. When we finally did, after a campus party, I found myself trying to think of ways to end the night while protecting his dignity, immediately regretting my decision to meet up.

Within thirty seconds of entering my room, he started kissing me aggressively. I kissed back for a minute, then recoiled. He leaned in. I let him. He started unbuttoning my shirt. Alarm bells rang in my brain. I shifted my position and his hand fell away. “Sorry, I’m not really a hookup kind of person,” I said, despite all evidence to the contrary. I’d found previous hookups empowering in the moment but ultimately unsatisfying. I didn’t know why I’d gone down that road again when it wasn’t what I wanted.

“Okay,” he said. “Just talking is fun too.”

I doubted that was what he really thought. Our talk was interjected with kissing. He made me uncomfortable with his forcefulness, yet he hadn’t done anything that would constitute sexual assault. I had invited him over and kissed him back. But if he hadn’t technically done anything wrong, why did I feel so terrible?

If she FEELS terrible, then she’s violated, despite all the evidence that there’s no evidence that it constituted sexual assault, in her own words.

[–]dDiegoDLV 6 points7 points  (0 children)

These "strong, empowered women" are anything but. How the fuck is this guy supposed to know to stop kissing her when she admits she is kissing him back? These girls sound truly clueless. If he was going to force himself on her he already would have been doing it.

They want to run the world, but can't even tell a man to get out of her bed. Even saying no it to complicated for them.

[–]Modredpillschool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But if he hadn’t technically done anything wrong, why did I feel so terrible?

Female solipsism. Their feelings dictate their reality. If they feel it, then it must be true.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The guy literally did nothing wrong. He’s not even in a gray area. This is really scary.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This sucks. I love sex but it seems like the only answer is to go MGTOW-Monk.

[–]00chuffer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Metoo will be looked back on in history as women whoring themselves out to get what they want, don't deserve or didn't work for and either not getting what they want or regret their choice to whore themselves on the cheap. Only to call it rape because they feel bad about their life choices.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (11 children)

I've been considering buying a little GoPro camera to set up in my room that I can set to film whenever I bring a girl over. I'm in Canada, which is one party consent, so it'd be a perfect deflection to any potential #metoo's. Thoughts?

[–]2CasaDeFranco 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I have several nanny cams in my home for security purposes, most can store data for the last year online. If you have a nice apartment with expensive assets like a library collection it's a wise investment. I also have a travel one I use whilst away on business to monitor assets like my laptop, suits and any thing I do within the bedroom if there is no safe at the hotel or airbnb.

If you're taking many women back to your place it's also relevant; however filming without consent is broadly illegal but I would rather take the hit on a lesser charge and utilise the audio to mitigate a rape charge going to court in the worst case scenario.

In my country (Australia) it is illegal insofar if you publish and or distribute said images. I spoke to my lawyer and he stated that given I have a cleaner come in once a week and I have five cameras in my city property, it's unlikely one would be charged with such an offense within these circumstances.

In California where I often do business it is as follows, it has to display an intimate body part of another identifiable person, and intentionally distributed. Audio for example disclosed exclusively by your lawyer to the police would not warrant the above.

[–]valery_fedorenko 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Could you share how you set up a basic monitoring system? I've been trying to figure out how to do this efficiently.

can store data for the last year online

Do you use a pay service for that year's worth of online storage? It seems like multiple camera feeds uploading 24/7/365 would take tremendous bandwidth and storage.

Also, how do you hide the camera in the bedroom or do you use one of those hidden clock cameras or something? It seems like if a woman noticed the camera she could cause you a lot of grief, too (even if she can't win the legal case).

[–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had interns at my company make the system which I also use at my office also; it was originally a test project to see how they perform as engineers. They used modified arduinos that broadcast and save data to my companies server. You can probably buy your own IoT camera that has a subscription service.

They used a sensor package to only film with an x minutes of motion. I have NBN at my work and apartment property and the resolution isn't incredibly high given it's a small camera so data wise it's not an issue.

I then 3d printed the housings and placed them inside my house, two in fire detectors and the rest in motion sensor cases; you can use thingiverse to find these files.

I don't have a camera in the bathroom, the camera's are legitimately for security purposes. Even if a person assumed it was a camera, they would need a ladder to verify to which I would ask them to politely leave for being paranoid.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Scenario 1 - No rape accusations but someone finds out your recording everything.

You are branded a sexual predator and probably go to jail.

Scenario 2 - you get me too'd and branded a sexual predator and probably got to jail.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So effectively a 100% chance of going to jail no matter what? In that case I may as well do nothing. Why not bring back a feminist now and get it over with

[–]DickTerper 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't know about Canada, but if you read the US stories in the article, most included explicit verbal consent.

Also, would a recorded video help Aziz Ansari? I don't think so. Would probably make it so much worse, since he'd labelled a creepy perv to film the encounter, even if it wasn't illegal. I'm willing to bet he'd lose his career over this.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I imagine any case against me would crumble instantly upon hearing I have video evidence against them. 99% of girls would drop charges because they don't want anyone watching the video, and anyone crazy enough to do it wouldn't have much of a case with said conclusive video evidence in play.

I agree it might not help Aziz Ansari, but that's entirely due to his celebrity status being used against him. To any normal guy it wouldn't negatively impact them more than false rape accusations would.

[–]officeManipulator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't live in the USA and I find that this movement is spreading throughout the world at a terrifying pace. What "feminism" has become is essentially giving the right to women to not take accountability and responsibility, two of the core principles of Men.

Going back to the above principles, my value add is how you men should respond, especially those who are currently battling leftism in the USA:

  1. Don't show off. Hide all wealth, job, victories, progress, grades, intellect, properties etc. you have made off your labor.
  2. Shut up and listen. Keep the words you have in your mind to your self, and open your mouth to the minimum.
  3. Similar to 2, keep your messaging to a minimum. You should have been too busy working out/upgrading your intelligence/listening to audiobooks/reflect on life to even do this. Your messaging should only include details that can be measured by a clock, price or lattitude/longitue. Examples include: date/appointment details (time/place/venue), travel plans, location details, food menus, wine menus, and confirming directions.

Justifications: 1. Most of these women who walk down the feminist path has a core belief that they can have anything they want just because they want it - like a Parasite. And a parasite will not attack a a host that has nothing. So if these women believe that you have nothing to offer but charms and sex, that's what they will go for, believing that attacking you will benefit them nothing.

Women are irrational creatures, but they are still rational enough when real things exist. they see you have a nice house, they want it.

2&3. Speaking/messaging very little gives you huge advantages, as follows:

a. Keeping yourself mysterious, so that girls have to work hard to know you.

b. Keeping your labor and capital. The less you speak about yourself, the less you expose yourself about your material worth, hence the less likely parasites are inclined to you.

c. Whatever you put in writing can always be used as evidence against you, so only put objective stuff in your writing.

Lastly, you should always have a small circle of friends that you can really trust to be vulnerable with and be open with. It is important that you have a soft spot that you can be comfortable having and not being pierced by outside forces, as nowadays in the feminist rule, men could be completely demolished for life over a tiny thing.

[–]tempolaca 7 points8 points  (0 children)

> in most cases the woman seems to catch these regrets at the precise moment the sex is over.

No, she catch these regrets at the precise moment he doesn't call her back.

[–]sartori47 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The best part of that article is that almost all of the top reader's pick comments are criticising it.

[–]DrankOfSmell 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If #metoo actually pulls off setting this precedent, many men will stop participating in hookup culture out of self-preservation and women will have far less options, so they’re shooting themselves in the foot but I’d be surprised if they give a shit up until the exact moment of regret after hookup culture is already dead.

[–]dDiegoDLV 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They are clueless. #metoo is already fucking things up for them in the work place and spawned #mentorher. Maybe #sharethedick is coming next when men fear regret rape destroying their lives.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then the circle of the sexual revulotion will be complete

[–]NibblyPig 24 points25 points  (1 child)

If a person cannot give consent because they're not capable of articulating or expressing it then we should probably make a law that says we can't have sex with women because there's a high chance they're cognitively unable to consent. This is the impression I'm getting from the article. There's functionally no difference between having sex with someone who is mute and thus doesn't give consent and someone who is ... mute and doesn't give consent.

[–]Mr_Zarika 21 points22 points  (2 children)

It's interesting, I was reading through some passages in the Bible recently, and one verse stood out:

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Genesis 3:16

Even back then, ancient religions were noticing that the curse of being a woman is to forever have your desire pointed to your husband (or men in general) but you can never reach equality. He will always rule over you.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That curse God placed on woman is the root of feminism.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I like you, and I would like to see some more verses from the Bible psted here,p and explain how they relate to todays events or society.

[–]spacedogg 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If i didn't love pussy so much I'd just leave them alone forever

[–]UselessBrakes 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Isnt the point in this article that women must learn better how to express themselves and stop feeling guilty for saying no?

[–]BurnieSlander 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s as though, because women aren’t as physically capable of rape, they want to be granted the legal and technical equivalent of being able to destroy somebody’s life.

If that is their idea of equality, it’s a pretty pathetic conclusion to “the movement”

[–]jesper_lundqvist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think it just goes to show that for women, consent is a state of mind rather than a concrete intention. In what other world would a woman be able to retroactively withdraw consent and have it taken seriously? If anything, it underlines that it's not having sex which is important, it's the manner in which you have it, because that's ultimately what will determine her state of mind the next day when she returns to day-to-day life.

I notice that it is not so much the masculine, forthright men who are the target of these #metoo-style reversals, but rather the uncertain boys who dither and dally (and I would wager) have sex with the same level of enthusiasm as a fish out of water. I can't prove this, but I think it's true: Aziz Ansari sounds like a classic case of it.

We know that women put a lot of stock in what other women think; social proof is an example of that. If a guy does sex properly, she will probably assume he's done it with other women too and would think twice about making a #metoo accusation. On the other hand, if it turns out to be a flaccid affair, she's probably not the only one who's experienced it. He is therefore an easier target to be painted as a weird creep to be described as rapey: her social circle will probably back her up.

In conclusion, it seems that it's not about how true the accusation is, but how credible it sounds. Let the buyer beware.

[–]Mwoods342 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Well fellas, it’s the end of the world. Looks like I’ll be seeing you all in jail... gonna be a party. Haha #Redisthenewblack

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

No need to fret. Just leave the US

[–]Mwoods342 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Vamos pastillas Rojas, ya vamos, nos estamos mudando a Argentina a vivir con los nazis escapantes!!!!

[–]CryptoNazi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd likely kill a woman that tries to screw me over like that.

[–]twofones 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Which makes sense: women who had sex with a beta should feel bad, biologically speaking, especially when no commitment was granted in exchange. They got possibly impregnated with bad genes, without the compensation of material support or commitment - the worst possible deal for her, evolutionary speaking.

I've been thinking about how being on an even plane with a woman is the most dangerous place to be. If you're above her she respects you, if you're below her she leaves you the fuck alone. It's only when she has to disambiguate your position (because you've presented yourself as an equal parter (beta)) that you invite hypergamy's wrath and machinations. Equality is dangerous. If she isn't treating you like a flight attendant treats you, you really are better off backing away.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered]

Id also add that the radical push with this whole metoo premise is:

  • Men need sex

  • Make pursuing sex with a woman (which is not a guarantee of success) incredibly risky/criminalize such behavior

  • Replace that pursuit with PAYMENT (contrary to the above, it's a guaranteed success) so as long as that money is being put towards the economy in the form of sex robots, sugar-daddying (for handbag shopping of course) and other such things.

  • all sexual interactions become monetized and profitable by circumventing the 'dangerous' laws and social environment of metoo.

That's the Kike way, and its gonna happen.

[–]htowntrav 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In perspective this #metoo movement might accomplish what a cultural religious stronghold had not accomplished with shame,guilt, and bad life decisions could not

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

a woman's report that "most, if not all" of her many sexual encounters were non-consensual.

does she even LIKE sex? good god!

Incidentally, this conclusion arose in her when her long-term partner asked her how many past sexual partners she had, whereupon she suddenly realizes that she doesn't have to count any encounter that was "non-consensual"...

well there it is. we all know betas want this perfect woman who doesn't ride ANY cocks at all so she can just say she was "raped" and then count like 3 sexual encounters so the beta stays...

The woman was horny, so she had the sex she wanted, gratified her lust, now she's stuck with the cost: being labeled a slut for quickly yielding to her desires with a man who isn't her socially acceptable partner, boyfriend or husband.

you forget that in our society now... the biggest sin isn't killing, touching kids or blowing up a whole bunch of people... it's slut shaming. AT ALL COSTS she will try EVERYTHING not to look like a slut.

This happened in virtually all cases, yet the woman wonders why she only found "her voice" or "power to resist" after the sex is over, alas "too late". Bitch, you were horny, you wanted to fuck, so you had your lust satisfied, then retroactively disavowed consent because it's convenient.

i get this is what you get when you have the "cock on steroids" that is tinder

women who had sex with a beta should feel bad, biologically speaking, especially when no commitment was granted in exchange. They got possibly impregnated with bad genes, without the compensation of material support or commitment - the worst possible deal for her, evolutionary speaking.

sure.. but when should not be punished for this.

So let this be a warning to you: if you want to participate in the hookup culture - the only mating culture we presently have - then do not be beta.

this is true... but when what an alpha is now to these women... it used to be the top 20%... now it's like the top 5%. Is any guy REALLY safe.

[–]steakhause 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agenda 21 in Full Effect. Limit the population to 250 million of the whole Earth. Georgia Guidestones. Next Step will be genetically test tube be the safest way to have a kid or have sex. Or, just like on Demolition Man, put a device on your head to simulate sex in virtual reality.

[–]neveragoodtime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The end result of all feminist actions is counter productive. I imagine a future where the sex offender list is so meaningless as to become a badge of honor for men. Women will use the public address registry to find men to hook up with. Other men will wish they could have sex with a woman to get on the list.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And here I was thinking that this #metoo crap had passed it's best before date...... Sick of hearing of this shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I see no evidence indicating any pull back. I believe the crazy is actually accelerating.

[–]Hjalmbere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m starting to think it’s like the Cosa Nostra, if they’re not in the news it means they’re increasing their influence. Are there any good news sources or bloggers focusing on the war against masculinity?

[–]Elecktrozan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are innocent until proven guilty.

[–]kendallb183 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please remember advice I was given from a lawyer. If your contacted by the police for questioning, that proves they dont have enough evidence to put a warrant out for you or arrest you for the crime. There is nothing you can do to make them have less info, and can only give them more. You may say the exact thing they need to have enough probable cause to arrest you, and then your in for hell. Never answer questions without a lawyer present.

The police will even say if you dont come in for questions, they will put a warrant out for you or they just wanna dismiss this whole thing and are obligated to atleast get your side before they can do so. That if you get a lawyer now your making it a big deal and they will have to go the official route and arrest you...

The police are allowed to lie to you. If they had enough evidence to put you in jail, YOUD BE IN JAIL.

[–]mandathor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hmm. This means that after casual sex, if a woman judges her slut-status, she will very often create some small amount of doubt / anxiety emotions; both mildly unpleasant emotions.

Now she notices these emotions being unpleasant and has another reaction that falsly blames the man "he made me feel these unpleasant emotions". Potentially followed by a cascade of thoughts related to this second false realization can make her create even more thoughts and emotions that are unpleasant to her. Basically her initial judgement of her slut-status after any encounter has potential to put her down the path of more negative emotions and she wrongly blames the man for it.

It's the negative emotions she herself create (when a man is not to blame for) in retrospect that makes her feel violated and not necessarily the actual sexual encounter. How can you blame men for this???

[–]tikitheman 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I just want to point out that the hashtag # is also known as the pound sign. So the #MeToo movemant is essentially pound me too....

[–]bkrugby78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I saw a meme on that last week and chuckled

[–]RxCubed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So if I can't get it up because I popped the wrong kind of pill earlier in the day I would be criminally liable?

"Yo dawg, why you in the joint?"

"One night I was getting some pussy, but I had a broken dick, my G."

[–]dDiegoDLV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gets drunk and goes to guys house, says yes twice to him. NYT printed this as an example of #metoo? Shit like this is why most men think #metoo is a joke and it hurts the real victims.

Alcohol was my unlimited get-out-of-jail-free card. With the newness of intoxication as an excuse, I could flirt without repercussion, embrace my nascent sexuality without consequence. So when the boy answered the door and invited me in to watch a movie, I agreed, thinking, “What’s the harm in that? Nothing serious will happen with his roommate there.”

We were several minutes into the film when he started rubbing my shoulders and muttered, “Is this okay?” in my ear.

A strange concoction of guilt and arousal descended over me and I tensed. I knew I shouldn’t be doing this. I knew under different circumstances I wouldn’t be doing this. But at the same time, my mind foggy and clouded, I didn’t know if I wanted him to stop. “Um … yes?” I whispered back.

The boy’s hands trailed from my back, circling forward to a place my mother referred to as the “husband-only zone.” And suddenly, I started to feel queasy.

“And this?” he asked.

I was silent for longer this time, before the word “yeah” emerged in a nervous high-pitched squeak.

He started to fumble with my buttons, hands grazing over my racing heart.

You’ve let it go too far now, I thought. It would be rude to stop him. Besides, you felt good before. Maybe it will get better? Meaghan, New York

[–]cowboyfromhell324 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aren't they already getting enough in the divorce? Good lord

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fucker's remorse.

Good post and I totally agree.

[–]occupythekitchen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If sex was as traumatizing as some of these women make it seem to be then how come there are less nuns today than in the past?

You'd think a lot more women would save themselves to god were this the case.

What they regret is not getting something more than an orgasm for putting out

[–]Ferocious245 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is all to control the population growth. Its a pretty clever scheme. Still, fuck as many women as you want to, rubber or not, and just hold your frame. People are scarily retarded. I'll say it again, people are SCARILY retarded and you have to figure out how to trick them into leaving you alone. Especially cops, judges, your plate's white knight warriors, etc.

[–]A1I4D8S8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well , i say , never give your real name or home address to these cunts, if she's a one night stand and you dont want to fuck with her anymore ,just ghost her,if she tries do contac you its because she want more, this never fail.

[–]AllahHatesFags 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not just beta males who have to worry; what's to stop her from falsely accusing alpha male Chad Thundercock once she realizes that he isn't going to commit to her? I probably sound like a broken record but you have to record everything! Even if it's just audio, everyone's phone can easily and discreetly do it. That way should the worst happen and you get arrested, you just say "I refuse to speak without counsel present", get a lawyer, and give them the recording. If they go after you on social media and try to get you fired or expelled from college, just dump the recording all over social media. Fight back!

[–]bonusfruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's nothing in the redpill sidebar about this eh fellas? No amount of frame, lifting or plate spinning can help you alpha out of a new age rape allegation. The game is no longer worth playing

[–]Skiffbug 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think you may have misconstrued the article. I think the idea was to show a panoply of greyness, from the most obvious (“I said no countless times, yet sex still happened”), to the most ridiculous (“He misconstrued my words, and them we had sex”. WTF, you yada-yada’d the relevant bit). I mean c’mon, some of those girls are saying they are the victim because the guy tried having sex and got rejected. Although I agree the number of stories from women are a bit overwhelming, the article actually doesn’t conclude anything. It is more about opening a discussion than it is about passing judgment.

[–]philadelphiasports 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i love how the girls who had sex with guys who asked for consent and asked what she wanted are looked down upon according to their accounts, but then the girls who hook up with guys who dont ask for consent are also looked down upon by the girls. damned if you do, damned if you dont

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