Performed A Small Social Experiment (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TheNathanW23

Just performed a small social experiment on the Am I the Asshole thread to some not so suprising results. I posed a hypothetical question as a fact on that subreddit to play a form of devil's advocat for men's rights and the responsibilities of partners in a relationship. I simply posed the question "Am I the asshole for wanting my girlfriend to wear makeup?" I go on to describe a relationship where a woman begins to grow comfortable in the relationship and stops presenting her best self on dates not wearing makeup and dressing down. I add that at all turns I am striving to keep my apperances up.

Of course every woman chimes in with anger. Many not even offering up a reasoning. All condeming me as an asshole.

When I set out the argument that I deserve the reciprocation for the effort I put in and that she should want to present herself well the comments fell on deaf ears.

They argued that people change and I shouldn't be so superfical and I should adapt to the changes the partner makes.

The shocking thing was the lack of open mindedness on the topic but, what could you really expect on the internet.

I feel like if the tables were turned in a situation where a man was gaining weight or was wearing slobby clothes these wouldn't be the same sentiments.

This was an eye opening example of a woman perceives a man with standards as evil. When it probably wouldn't lean that way on the flip side.

[–]halfback910 691 points692 points  (54 children)

Wait two weeks, reverse genders in a different post.

"My boyfriend has stopped lifting but I'm wearing makeup and doing cardio :("

[–]MadManMonkey 533 points534 points  (16 children)

Well we all know what the results will be "drop his ass and get you another one queeen"

Those hoes dont know what true equality is

[–]dinnerwithfunions 113 points114 points  (1 child)

Women also say one thing and do the other.

I'm sure a few women would virtue signal and try to shame a chick for leaving her guy because he put on some extra weight, but until they themselves are in that position they don't know what their true decision would be. Plus if Betty stays with her loser boyfriend in holy matrimony, Sally can get all the single dick without worrying about the threat of Betty's availability.

It's in a woman's nature to test a man and maybe even tear him down if she's psychotic enough, but other women are only her ally until it's convenient to stab them in the back for their own selfish gains.

[–]StraightWhiteMaleLOL 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Watch what they do, not what they say.

[–]wisty 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Most of the comments are probably male redditors.

"He's not good enough for you, you should break up with him and find a nice guy like me".

[–]TheLanternFlame 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Soy boys be like putting tags of "pick me!" across their forehead.

[–]TaylorWolf -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Well all males do this. What do you think rappers and celebrities are doing with bling and chains and grills and crazy hair and what not

[–]Satou4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the method is a problem, not for the rappers but for the soyboys

[–]saladon 1 points1 points [recovered]

Nothing gets a woman more excited than seeing another woman in a miserable situation. It means that she "won."

They will subconsciously worsen a fellow females problem so that they can enthusiastically "help" her out afterwards.

[–]CP9ANZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ, the terrible advice they give out to each other, I hear so much cringe.

[–]1alpha-zach 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Please please please do this. Change as little as necessary. Then post here and everywhere in the world the side by side commentary.

If you made a YouTube video out of the results, you’d make serious money. It’d be viral.

[–]Atheist_Utopia 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This ^ post a YouTube video about it, so the rest of the world can see the feminazi delusion. Not even to make girls themselves realize their irrationality, but to indirectly red pill some plugged-in men.

[–]kingbraderz 37 points38 points  (0 children)

My god yes this would be incredible to have happen and him come back with the results

[–]RedPilledRoaster 22 points23 points  (25 children)

Quit expecting women to be rational. They have always been irrational and always will be because they act on emotion.

Instead, stop getting mad at them and start holding frame.

[–]halfback910 12 points13 points  (15 children)

1: 100% of women are irrational. 90% of people in general are irrational. So I don't go around expecting rationality from anyone.

2: Am gay man. I would describe it more as frustration with society for oppressing men than anger at women, particularly individual women.

[–]donkeydodo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I see what you mean, but I don't fully agree; to me this would be a hilarious social experiment, how would women react to getting their hypocrisy thrown in their face with empirical data?

[–]Ivan_The_Reddish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I didn't say that. That's not what I meant. You know what I mean."

And the hamster spins fast enough to achieve low earth orbit.

[–]precisionclear 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Their actions are perfectly rational, it's the ideology that's not.

[–]BurnoutRS 0 points1 point  (5 children)

just like its rational to be scared of old buildings if you believe in ghosts. If you dont believe in ghosts theres nothing to be be afraid of. You may be wrong, but at least your actions are congruent with your beliefs

[–]precisionclear 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What I mean is, it serves their needs to train men to act a certain way - while they do the opposite. Languages may give an advantage in cooperation, while just as often for manipulation.

[–]BurnoutRS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wasnt disagreeing. Women operate on emotional logic whereas men operate via rational logic. A womans logic makes perfect sense to her given the structure its based upon, its just that as men, we recognize the faults in the structure. Especially how those faults pertain to our roles within society.

Hypergamy is a perfect example. A wife and mother leaves the house to go get some chad dick, running the risk that she breaks up her current family setting. Her logic (hamstering) is that her current man isnt cutting it, this new guy is exciting. Evolutionarily speaking she's looking at her old mate as a bad investment and she wants to dump the sinking ship and grab a floatational dick.

Were we living in a more tribal situation where this woman might legitimately be trading up, she secures a better resource for herself than the one she had previously. A better man. That usually doesnt work out in today's society however.

It's been stated here a few times. You dont leave a dog alone with a steak and get pissed when you come back to find its been eaten. Its not the dog's fault, its yours for not recognizing the nature of a dog.

[–]Satou4 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If women trained all men to be alpha, it would also serve their needs, so I don't see your point here

[–]schwaxpl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't need all men to be alpha, they need some (naturally occuring) to fuck, and a lot more betas to provide resources and safety to them / society.

[–]Lucid_Witness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In days in long bygone times, articulated language came to be. It evolved from social activities and caused social activities to evolve. Then, the wheel kept turning, and a tool for cooperation developed into one for manipulation.

[–]HiredMind 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Can't wait to sift through the comments and find the women who posted to both. That should be interesting.

[–]vaughner 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This! Do this and report back with an update. :-)

[–]red_matrix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More like "now that I'm going to the gym alone and getting hit on by lots of sexy men it's okay to cheat if my boyfriend isn't there and doesn't appreciate me, right? I mean, I'm hot now and I deserve sex with a hot man...amirite ladies?"

[–]Satou4 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was going to say 4 months, but yeah you're right. Two weeks is probably enough time.

[–]halfback910 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah. On a fast moving sub like that? 2 weeks is generous.

[–]jbnw17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was my first thought after reading this post

[–]motivatedstogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Golden. Follow up on this idea.

[–]ImmunosuppressedTau 136 points137 points  (13 children)

Interesting experiment. For the sake of a control In a months time repeat it with the genders reversed. I would be interested in the results.

[–]TheNathanW23 47 points48 points  (7 children)

Yea. Definitely thinking about it. I feel like it will lean more towards against the male with a few leaning the other way because of SJW's fighting the fight because thats just what they do. But thats just my hypothesis

[–]azhiker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please do. I am very interested to see what happens.

[–]mauriciogs96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please do it, and post it here!

[–]Republic_of_Ash 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you don't do it, someone else will!

[–]TheNathanW23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey I'm all for it. I'm curious to see the results when ever it is posted

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Why wait a month? Make a throwaway & do it now.

[–]ImmunosuppressedTau 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I think by doing it too soon his previous post may influence the result even if he uses a throwaway account.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The perfect amount of time would be 700 days tbh

[–]c_w_o_o_l_l_y 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Had just posted the same thing, but deleted it due to redundancy. Wait a month, make a new handle, swap the genders, and post it again. It would be an interesting comparison. Not that we don't already know what we'd find, but fun nonetheless.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 73 points74 points  (5 children)

I feel like if the tables were turned in a situation where a man was gaining weight or was wearing slobby clothes these wouldn't be the same sentiments.

And you would be right. Only the very very gullible believe the equality myth that women pretend to abide by.

We live in a gynocentric society. Men are fairly egalitarian, women favour only themselves.

You'll get no support for your "gf should look nice" viewpoint because you're asking women to do something. They hate that.

[–]SKRedPill 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Men's concept of equality runs on fairness and logic -- does everyone get the same piece of pie?

Women's play of equality is all about increasing their personal power to match (what they feel is) men's, but they don't care at all about men.

Analysis vs sollipsism. Frame is everything.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women's play of equality is all about increasing their personal power to match (what they feel is) men's, but they don't care at all about men.

Right. Equality of outcome without equality of effort and risk. Which is the most unequal and unfair definition of equality that there is.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And yet Eastern European women make the effort to look nice if "only for themselves".

[–]LukesLikeIt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can’t tell them shit without them getting mad all you can do is flirt with other girls in front of her until she realises she has to.

[–]2Dmva100 59 points60 points  (0 children)

I do this shit with racism-obsessed SJWs all the time.

' Do you think violence is an appropriate response to hate speech?'

'Uhhh yeah. If your're a racist you're a piece of shit.'

'Oh okay I'll beat up the next black woman that calls me an angry privileged white male .'


[–]subaruguy14 60 points61 points  (0 children)

And that's how the fat chicks of HR are born, the wall never loses.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Their currency is their beauty and charm.

How many of them would stay with a guy that went from a fit 6 figure earner to a pudgy unemployed gamer sitting on the couch not even motivated to seek a job? In that scenario their response would be that the girl should leave the bum.

[–]Veretox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that would be a reasonable thing to do. Why the fuck should they waste their time if someone's going downhill? It goes both ways, and you should hard next someone if they lose their beauty and charm.

[–]amberdus 35 points36 points  (0 children)

On the flip side of this, never believe her if she says she’s ok with you getting a little out of shape or if she’s ok with your failures. Try to always be your best you

[–]DeontologicalSanders 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Good luck convincing any woman that she doesn't "deserve" every single thing that she wants from her male partner, or that a man "deserves" to have even a single request met by a woman he's seeing if it doesn't simultaneously benefit her.

Entitlement and solipsism are built-in and accepted features of female biological firmware, but are considered repulsive in men, by both women and other men. The entire idea of "deserving" anything is an ego-defense/preservation mechanism. In reality, something is only ever worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. Any consideration outside of that is ultimately irrelevant.

[–]AndyCandyHandySandy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The reality here is that you can wish she would wear makeup but not really demand it. Now hear me out before you start calling me beta billy. We don’t own our partners and they don’t own us, we are in relationships because they suit us. In a scenario like the on you’re describing, you would be in the total right to lose attraction and leave the girl, because she is simply not making herself desireable, and that’s her fault. It’s a two way street though, if my girl suggested that I was slacking on my looks and hygiene and I said fuck off instead of adjusting my game, I am telling the person that reserved themselves exlusively for me to fuck off, right, so maybe they will.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have been shown that the opinions or actions that people display on Reddit or the internet for that matter don't necessarily translate to real life.

This place is a massive echo chamber that shots down any contrary opinions in seconds. You can't downvote someone you are having coffee with over a discussion of these sorts.

Don't take Reddit as a sample of how people act in real life.

Unless you are a Elliott Rodger kind of guy

[–]suckymeh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel wearing make up isn't a fair choice. It's artificial and not a fair expectation of a woman.

Instead, simply ask, is it fair to want my girlfriend to stop gaining weight? She's gained 30 lbs in the last 6 months, eats lots of fast food and refuses to exercise. It's hurting my attraction towards her.

Flip the roles in that and it's a real apples to apples comparison.

[–]Code3LI 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I've been chastised on Reddit and Facebook for making such statements. To feminists and SJWs, women can let themselves go and it's ok ("Real women have curves"). It's ok and totally reasonable to let oneself go when it comes to both their health and aesthetics.

If a man let's himself go, it is the total opposite. They're seen as lazy and unattractive. You see the posts of women that are overweight and are said to be beautiful on Facebook, but you never see that about men. If a man suffers from a disease it is mocked (Example: Gynecomastia), but if a woman is too lazy to get off the couch she's praised.

[–]RaidPiller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't actually make another post reversing the genders.

You'll just be called immature and be bombarded with ad hominems and "ugh gais its tou-tally not the same thing!!" and the vintage "Why do you hate women??"

Reason and logic won't be utilized, as they're inventions of the patriarchy.

Also, "gais he posts in trp we r automatically right gais"

How do i know this?? Its because you're not the first one to try and post the results on this sub.

[–]datacollectingdata 1 points1 points [recovered]

Makeup =/= lifting. If she works out and does all the rest you do except makeup then you both are equal. If you want her to additionally cake your face then well idk cake your face too.

[–]Kelibath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Painting your face is different from keeping yourself trim or hygienic. It's the female equivalent of wearing good, clean, stylish, ironed clothes, aftershave and cologne, etc. Except women have to do all of the rest of this as well, plus have to wear support garments under most of their nicer clothes. And doing makeup takes an age. So the situation being equal would require the guy to keep the stubble and hairstyle combo the woman likes best even if it literally took him up to an hour a day to achieve.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not a social experiment if you do one half and then say 'I feel like if the tables were turned...'

This isn't a social experiment, it's you intentionally provoking responses that fueled your narrative while not even looking to explore deeper

[–]pennynotrcutt 1 points1 points [recovered]

I was raised in a SE Asian household (not sure if that is a factor) and we (4 daughters) were always expected to have our hair look nice, clothes, makeup when we were older and jewelry. I've always loved doing makeup (on myself and others) but feel like you should have nice enough skin and confidence to go out bare-faced and still look good. That said, I always hear guys say they like girls better without makeup so maybe after hearing that, some gals have really taken it to be the truth?

[–]yumyumgivemesome 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We often like girls better without makeup IF the girl's still look hot without makeup. Basically, the ideal is a girl who doesn't need much or any makeup to be attractive. But if a light touch of makeup gives her a boost every now and then, you won't see us complaining on those occasions.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i'm not a fan of makeup on girls.. that is attractive girls. i don't care if ugly girls wear make up because they're still ugly and i'd never get with them. by make up i mean a ton of it all over the face.. i don't mind when a girl puts make up on the eyes and maybe very light on her face, but when its caked on with 10 layers that you can actually see, that's just disgusting

[–]FeelTheBernieSanderz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Who cares what women think anymore... I know I don't.

Beta white knights are even further down the pecking order.

[–]ButteredPastry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They argued that people change and I shouldn't be so superfical and I should adapt to the changes the partner makes.

You. Cannot. Negotiate. Attraction.

[–]plaudite_cives 1 point2 points  (0 children)

seems that bar for calling things "social experiment" is incredibly low these days...

[–]OneInAZillion 1 points1 points [recovered]

I feel like if the tables were turned in a situation where a man was gaining weight or was wearing slobby clothes these wouldn't be the same sentiments.

Simple way to find this out. Go back in a week with a different account and post the same thing with the genders reversed and replace 'makeup' with 'becoming a slob' and then come back with your findings.

[–]Kelibath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh, "slob" implies a general disdain for yourself, including personal hygiene like having washed clothes and a body that doesn't reek, which is completely understandable as a turn-off for anyone of any gender. Also a disdain for your home, leaving garbage around, not cleaning up. Not putting additional layers of paint on before going out isn't the same as not washing your body or making a shared home a pigsty.

Personally I think it's reasonable for both partners to make a little more effort at the start of a relationship - they're self-conscious and nervous and trying to present their best sides. Trying to keep that up several months in is just anxiety-inducing. But if one is trying much harder than the other it can feel neglectful.

[–]scarletoarah 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can want her to wear makeup because it helps you feel attracted to her, but she doesn't have to wear it, and then if she doesn't she should know that you feel less attracted to her. No demands on either side - just understanding

[–]Kelibath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She doesn't have to "know" that, it's his business how attracted he still feels, but they can talk about it if it becomes a serious problem. Usually by this point in a good relationship people should be attracted to personality too. Otherwise, yes, definitely. Her choice to wear, his choice to like.

(Though obviously it's gonna hurt if someone tells you that you're not pretty without facepaint.)

[–]-Jumper- 2 points3 points  (1 child)

While i agree with you, the point you're trying to make easily comes off as an attack rather than a contention topic. Just to reiterate, I COMPLETELY AGREE with you on there being a bias here. Nonetheless there's something to be said about "women's looks" as a topic of discussion. Women's appearances are heavily criticized in comparison to our male's counterpart, generating a level of sensitivity to the matter. Meaning women already developed a bias against anyone, especially males, critiquing or even mentioning anything remotely perceived as negative about it. They will attack you for it without any second thought given they think "men wouldn't understand what it is to live like this, being objectified, etc". To which to a certain degree we they're right because the majority of us don't go through it. BUT this kind of behavior isn't' exclusive to females. Everybody has biases towards something and when anyone says something contrary to what we believe, we're no exceptions to the matter, we will attack.

In order to begin a real conversation/debate about something, it takes a certain degree of awareness and recognition to the fact humans are emotional creature who will react negatively to anything perceived as a threat to our perceived truth.

TLDR: Everyone is biased against something. Formulating real discussion takes a lot of patience, introspection, awareness, and communication skills.

[–]TheNathanW23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree this is a solid thing to note and to be open to.

[–]sweetadeline13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s actually a really valid point. I’ve been guilty of that. 4 years in, I live in yoga pants and he always puts the effort in. He never gives me any crap about it, but maybe it’s past time to back it up to when it was a special occasion to see each other and I was putting my best forward and remind him that he’s worth the effort like he does for me. Thanks for the eye opener.

Also, for the record, almost everyone in the comments section here is a lunatic.

[–]BurnoutRS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if any of the women youre with in this hypothetical object to you wanting them to wear makeup, they can hit the road. As soon as they realize youre serious about that, they put the makeup back on or lose the man

[–]nastyamerican 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Striving to keep your appearances up and expecting a woman to do the same is Nice Guy BS. Don’t ever do something and expect them to reciprocate.

[–]Darw0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is too much subjectiveness on the internet.

[–]Kobe_curry24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you tell them what happens when she cheats on you for not being fit enough lol

[–]Intivel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell i just confirmed it, i talked to my gf about the topic, telling her to be objective about it. Guess how she reacted, telling me that it was the man's fault because he was lacking in other areas of the relationship.
No matter the way i put it, the answer was always the same. I definitely would want to see the experiment with the genders reversed.

[–]SKRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just my law #51 - Appeal to ideals like truth and fairness outwardly, but gain more power for yourself underneath.

Equality is fundamentally a power play beneath the ideal - it almost never follows the actual logic of fairness. The fact is that everyone is selfish and just trying to gain more power for themselves and their 'team', while trying to handicap the opponent. Seldom is the talk of equality raised in favour of a rival team - if it is, then there is definitely a personal investment over there.

[–]SnowMonkeyCracker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Experiment 2: Reverse the genders

Experiment 3: Gender neutral, they, them.

Experiment 4: Transgender!

[–]Bruchibre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men are not allowed to have standards because all women deserve to be loved.

[–]Juggernaut_is_here 0 points1 point  (0 children)

two online social experiment threads today and not even a video..youtube does better social experiments

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait for few weeks and post your question with the tables turned as you suggested in your post. Let us know how the forum responds.

[–]Ferocious245 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a jungle out there. Be vicious, and actually if you're naturally a nice guy, cut it out and be fairly dominant from now on. No one respects or values nice guys.

[–]fujimarutakagi0107 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Interesting experiment. Where can I see the thread as I don't see it in your post history. Hope you're not bamboozling us.

[–]TheNathanW23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Originally I did it for my own sick and twisted pleasure. The fun wore off and I deleted it to stop the notifications then I was on this sub I thought it'd make an interesting post. I ended up deleting it. In hindsight I should've just let it ride out.

[–]TJmartimn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now reverse the question and say that you didn't want your girlfriend to wear makeup and see what happens lol

[–]S-Blaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Am I the asshole for wanting my girlfriend to wear makeup?" Yeah well of course you're gonna get lynched with a weak frame like that, you're already implying that you might be an asshole.

Something along the line of ''My gf is turning into a sloppy fucking mess.'' would have gained you more sympathy. But it boils down to that real men know what they want, they don't go around on forums to ask things like that they just deal with it.

[–]ekwn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am pretty sure you want your girlfriend to look her best while you sit down with the hand in your pants 3 days without having a shower. All of you.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't a good experiment without having posted a thread with the flip side argument - "am I a bitch for being unattracted to my fat boyfriend"

[–]Reformed65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, people are bias in favour of their own demographic to the point in order to not undermine their status and role in society in the name of "doing the right thing". Who knew?!

Come on guys, we've seen this time and time again. I'm not sure how come there's this attention as this is some treasure we found (I'm not talking about just OP's post but this concept in itself in general), this is common stuff we knew and has been introduced to the community on numerous levels. Duh, if you reverse the genders then those same women are going to support the female Redditor, there's no consequence for them to go against their words that they spoke 2 weeks ago, and by "doing the right thing" they'll establish the record that they must put in work and effort, so they'll paint the easiest image which is "when we do it, it's right. When they do it, it's wrong" because it has worked in the past and will continue to do so.

[–]5JS1XBG64A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should post the archive of the thread (since direct links are forbidden).

[–]Vandall1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you link the post in which this experiment happened?

[–]-SADGIRL- -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So you see a pattern and run an experiment you expect to support the pattern and it supports the pattern?

That’s not the scientific method my friend. That’s a bona fide self fulfilling prophecy a one-man show of an echo chamber :P

I bet I made you angry. It should be obvious why. You think your “test” is so special? Then thank me for my advice 👍

Or at least downvote and hate at me and watch yourself fall for the same trap that whatever community you “tested” fell for.

[–]zaratustra27 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To be fair, anyone who suscribe to such subreddit is a judgemental asshole who wants to see blood dripping, like PC sharks

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

No you didnt. Where is the post?

[–]TheNathanW23 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I honestly ended up deleting the post after it being up for about 12 hours. Got tired of all the notifications. Wasn't planning on making it a post on here until I was scrolling through this sub for minute. I was originally only doing it for my own sick entertainment.

[–]TheNathanW23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In hindsight I should have kept it up for transparency sake and having a record of it

[–]MonkeyClam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd slap her in her dumb makeupless face. "How dare you disrespect me you fuckin dick!"