FitnessThe ultimate proof you need on lifting - The 59 year old man I met at the gym. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Rares5555

I have had an eye-opening experience this past week at my local gym, and I thought I should share it with all of you motherfuckers that still skip your gym days.

It’s 7 PM, and I go to my gym for a workout. I feel a bit tired, but I have to get those reps in.

I walk into the gym and I see the most well-built guy there. Big back, huge arms and forearms, built legs, tight skin all over his body,an all around top 10% physique on a 5’10” frame (we’re the same height). He seems new to me, and I know pretty much all the regulars there, so I go up to him and shake his hand. Really energetic, with a big smile on his face.

As I warm up, I start chatting him up. He tells me he’s on a business trip and had to hit the gym. Very lighthearted conversation, super humble yet confident. I smelled he was an alpha just by the way he presented himself (and helped the young chicks there that were drooling over him, in between barbell rowing 180lbs)

As I finish my dumbbell rows, I think “bro, the dude looks jacked and also natural. I wonder for how long has he been working out”. So I go up to him and ask:

“Sir, I wanted to ask you. How long have you been working out?”

He looks at me with a big smile and says:

“Son, I can’t remember that clearly. But I can tell you how old I am. 59”

My jaw dropped as he started laughing. The fucking dude looks 40, and looks better than 99% of the 20, 30 and 40 year-olds. And he’s almost fucking 60! I congratulated him on his level of fitness and we both got back to working out.

After we both finished our workouts, we talked a bit more about diet and fitness, but the conclusion is this:

If this dude, who can easily be a grandfather, has built such an impressive body his whole life, you should too. There’s no excuse about it.

Also, let it be a lesson to you that if you take care of your body while young, it’ll end up taking care of you later on. Stop saying that you’re not 8”5’ with a titanium jawline and start talking to the Iron. Lifting and being active is literally your well of longevity and attraction (of course, among other attractive traits).

Once again. As said hundreds of times here:


Or don’t, and let others reap the benefits.

[–]slackerdan 437 points438 points  (3 children)

As a fifty year old guy who's been lifting for only a few months, this post is most... uplifting to my spirit, thank you! :)

[–]IvanReilly 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Well all the best. Who knows maybe when you're 59 you too can be helping the chicks at the gym while they drool over you

[–]Dennis__Reynolds 301 points302 points  (129 children)

Joe Rogan looks like he's 35 and hes over 50. Exercise and diet are so important

[–]Itshighnoon777 131 points132 points  (37 children)

Let’s not forget Joe’s on TRT but yes, you still gotta work your ass off

[–]writewhereileftoff 29 points30 points  (19 children)

Thanks for this. Let's not pretend the man in op story is on try too. Natural? Lol

[–]EqualResponsibility 37 points38 points  (18 children)

Define natural.. TRT keeps you within natural ranges. If someone’s genetics keeps them at 300ng and someone’s else’s keeps them at 900ng, is it so bad if the first guy gets on TRT to increase his levels? I don’t believe it is.

The idea that someone is natural never made sense to me as the range for “natural” is all over the place.

[–]PuppetAndTheDwarf 9 points10 points  (2 children)

TRT = minimal fluctuations in T levels, slowly descending through the week (or barely at all if you pin twice weekly).

Natty = daily fluctuations depending on stress, diet, sleep, exercise, so forth; replenished when you sleep at night.

I’m on TRT and while my levels are on the upper end of natural, I am stronger, bigger, faster, need less sleep to feel OK, can hack two a days with BJJ and lifting, more even keeled, etc. I even have “juicy” looking traps.

I was borderline low T and the difference between old me and TRT me is huge. The difference between my similarly aged, active peers, is also huge.

[–]Ihatemoi 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I am 25 and thinking about TRT when I get to be 35 years old probably. I live in a third world country and doctors here dont know shit about it.

I ask you, how expensive it is?, it is possible to get on TRT by your own accord (without consulting with a physician?) ? I plan to be jacked my whole fucking life but depending on natural T is a pain in the ass.

[–]PuppetAndTheDwarf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure, people DIY. But you would need a steady, accurately or at least consistently dosed source, access to labs for bloodwork, and ability to interpret bloodwork. Potentially you might want ancillary drugs to control estrogen or maintain fertility. You would want to be able to donate blood every two months.

Test is super cheap on the black market, and if you live in a country where it is available over the counter probably similarly inexpensive and worth buying pharma grade.

[–]writewhereileftoff 25 points26 points  (1 child)

A man almost 60years old isn't going to be jacked natty okay. Your natural test drops of a cliff from 35-40 years old. If you inject exogenous hormones fabricated in labs that's not natural. Let's please not call this anything other than it is. Juice all you want just don't hamster about it please lol. I might juice when I'm that age too idgaf.

[–]1msammy_is_back 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Of course you are going to juice when you get older. LOL. Every dude making cash is.

[–]hot_rats_ 7 points8 points  (8 children)

In bodybuilding and powerlifting circles you are not considered "natty" if you juice at all regardless of whether you stay under what is naturally possible for someone with different genetics. There's a reason it's banned in pretty much all professional sports. It is not just about evening out the levels of one hormone, there are all kinds of downstream effects that happen when you introduce exogenous hormones that vary quite a bit on the individual level. It is possible and maybe even probable that someone that juices from 300 to 900 could have an athletic advantage over someone who is naturally 900 due to genetic and body composition differences in how they process the available testosterone.

[–]amekooky 16 points17 points  (1 child)

yeah good luck finding a body builder whos natural. realizing body builders arent natural is another redpill youre gonna have to swallow kid.

[–]EqualResponsibility 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I understand what you’re saying and appreciates the explanation. I’ve always wondered how many pro players and body builders are actually clean. There’s a whole industry around “no for real, I’m actually clean” for body building and it shows.

The idea that humans can get as big and strong as some of these players really distorts our perception of reality.

[–]hot_rats_ 5 points6 points  (3 children)

For bodybuilding no one, and fortunately a lot more people nowadays are willing to admit that, though it's still a stigma some hold onto.

NFL linebackers though? I'm not so sure. I'm equally willing to accept that there are genetic freaks out there, and naturally they will gravitate to contact sports. But the cynic in me also knows that where there is big money there is politics, and where there is politics there is corruption. So I certainly wouldn't rule out individuals paying for clean test results or experimenting with currently undetectable substances either.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Natty or not discussions are retarded. The pros can tell you what gear they take. If you took the same supplements theyre taking and come back in 10 years you wont even be at half way point that they are.

[–]hot_rats_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I won't argue with your last point but I don't think it supports the claim "Natty or not discussions are retarded." Whether or not I personally have the drive, commitment, and genetics to match the results of the greatest BBers (I don't obviously) is irrelevant to the discussion of whether TRT is natural (it's not).

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most of the players in the NFL juice or on some type of gear. They only test once during the off season randomly and usually its before training camp starts.

The time they get tested multiple times is if they got caught once. You can look up all this stuff up yourself. I can't speak on the NBA or other pro sports, since I don't follow them as closely.

But majority of the players are def on something. Same with the track athletes. And I'm sure others can comment but there are ways you can hide your levels from testing. Like taking estrogen to balance your hormone levels around testing periods.

[–]3-meosipher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRT keeps you within natural ranges.

TRT jacks your T up and keeps it up at the highest range. Whereas the majority of men's T level fluctuate over the course of the day, depending on a lot of variables.

[–]EqualResponsibility 17 points18 points  (3 children)

There’s no reason to NOT be on TRT once you hit 35-40.

[–]xSiNNx 14 points15 points  (10 children)

Really? You know of any episodes where he talks about this by chance? I’ve been listening to him since like 2011 and never heard this.

[–]Reynaldo7 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Most people over 40 can easily get a TRT prescription from a doctor. Youll see this mostly on people that still lift at that age.

[–]banthrow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What do you mean, still lift at that age. I'm 40 and started last year.

[–]sircomeseyesd 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I think he talked about it with Dan bilzerian but yeah he said he's been doing it for over ten years

[–]lastdumra 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I remember one time that someone asked why he would not try in a professional MMA fight. He said that he would not because the anti doping test would be off the charts. It was a cheecky comment, like half joking, half truth, so you get the idea.

He is also very into anything that can give you a better quality of life, like testosterone replacement.

[–]SMRII 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He literally has done ads for testosterone companies. Just look on YouTube

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah youtube a clip where he admits to being on TRT for 10+ years. It surprised me too.

[–]magx01 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He has mentioned this several times as well as being on HGH. He even joked about "melting USADA piss cups" a few times lol

[–]Spezs_Douch3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He subtly brought it up on the Michael Chandler episode. He said, and I’m paraphrasing, “if you were tested for the supplements I’m taking, you’d fail big time.”

[–]lasteem1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t remember the episode(s), but he has talked about being on TRT before.

[–]HPLoveshack 1 points1 points [recovered]

Diet and hormone replacement are much more important than lifting or exercise for looking young.

Lifting, especially as you age, has to be carefully rationed. Look into all the injuries powerlifters and bodybuilders and male gymnasts have. Almost all of them have some combination of fucked up shoulders, backs, knees, wrists, elbows and most of their lifting was done in their 20s and 30s. By the time they're in their 40s most of them are very careful about how they lift and how much they lift, if they lift at all.

Even the big names that aren't shy about gearing up (which can massively increase healing ability) and have plenty of money to hire PTs etc, all have chronic injuries from lifting.

I'm not saying don't lift, I'm saying it should be third or fourth priority. Nutrition is number 1 by a mile, sleep is an easy 2nd. After that it's lifting if you're sub 40. If you're over 40 it's managing hormones THEN lifting.

[–]halfgreek 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Serious question. What do you mean about managing hormones?

[–]VapeBrahhh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes please explain this more.

[–]EqualResponsibility 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Managing your Testosterone and Estrogen levels. Studies are showing that Men, in first world progressive leaning countries, have severely reduced Testosterone levels. I’m not confident they know why this happening, whether it’s mentally induced by society and stress or if it’s diet based. Either way, every man should have his Test checked after 30 and not hesitate to get on TRT if you are ok with the chance of never having more kids.

[–]ApexmanRP 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Nutrition is number 1 by a mile, sleep is an easy 2nd. After that it's lifting if you're sub 40. If you're over 40 it's managing hormones THEN lifting. "

As a 49 year old, I would kind of agree with this. Its very easy for your T levels to drop. I am trying to impropve my T naturally (see my other comment) and I am seeing encouraging results so far.

I think Hormones and lifting go hand in hand.

[–]thatbrofoshow 1 points1 points [recovered]

Could you share more knowledge/experience on the cortisol? Been having some health issues both physical/mental. My stress/anxiety is through the roof lately. And all my lifts are down between 5-10%. I've majorly reduced lower body volume to reduce the overall stress my body is taking atm. It makes sense to me that the body kinda buckets all stress to at least a similarly. I feel increased cortisol is likely playing a role here.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 9 points10 points  (15 children)

Lifting, especially as you age, has to be carefully rationed.

BS!!! Fifty something guys can lift heavy and often. Obviously most of us are not world class competitors but we can (and should) push ourselves to our limits. I'm 53 and have been lifting at least 4 time per week since January with great results. Neglecting myself for the prior decade was the biggest mistake of my life. I'm really happy that it seems I didn't do permanent damage. The risks associated with not lifting are far far greater than those associated with lifting.

[–]PaulAJK 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Mate, if you've been lifting for 6 months, then going 4 times a week is ok, you're still getting noob gains. In 2-4 months you'll find those gains start getting much harder. Ad you'll be in danger of over-training going 4 times a week. After a couple of years there's not much benefit (as an older guy) to going more than twice a week.

All this only applies natty though, I don't know shit about cheating.

Edit, ought to add I'm 47 and been lifting 3 years.

[–]Martel_732_Tours 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It will be interesting how your opinion may change in a few years time.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It will be interesting how your opinion may change in a few years time.

Do they have a lunk alarm in your gym?

[–]_Ozu_ 2 points3 points  (36 children)

Lifting really heavy weight is overrated in general. Sure, it makes you feel good when you push yourself like that, but look at any lifter who lifted big for a sustained period, and they almost inevitably have injuries that required surgery.

My advice would be to lower the weight and either 1) do more reps/sets, or 2) work out more frequently. Unless you're competing, there's no good reason to risk your body like that.

[–]ac_bro 1 point2 points  (30 children)

That’s bullshit. Getting stronger is the best way to get big . Focusing on strength is what made me look like i actually lift . Cookie cutter perfect form 8-12 reps shitty bodybuilding programs Never done anything for me . Most guys won’t even get past the novice strength phase (around a 2 plate bench, 4plate deadlift , ) on that shit and will all hit a Plateau.

I’ve lifted bitch weight for 2 years and squeezed the muscle at the top and done all the crappy pump work bodybuilding shit , couldn’t bench 2 plates for 5 and wondered why I had a small chest , what got results in half the time was strength programs, mostly upper lower (heavy light setups) and concurrent full body 2x a week.

Get strong to get big

[–]_Ozu_ 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You don't need to be territorial about your weight lifting routine. Most dudes don't want to get huge, they want a good looking, healthy body that isn't crippled from powerlifting.

[–]ac_bro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

1)I don’t powerlift because I think their squat is retarded and I refuse to do it .

2) you will never get too huge because you’re natty , that’s a retarded bullshit excuse and I’m not even sure what’s your point? You don’t want results? Cool but then you should stfu when people are arguing about the optimal way to get results. Nobody cares if you don’t want to “get huge” , I never said you have to.

3) Powerlifting form , in both the bench and deadlift is by far the safest way . You see bodybuilders flaring their elbows , benching without an arch or any sort of upper back tightness and shitty half reps because of better chest activation. That type of stuff is what will tear your shoulders and pecs up . The only unsafe thing about powerlifting is the act of maxing out in competition,which is incredibly overrated if you actually perfected your form . I could go to failure on deadlifts, bench and Olympic ass to grass squats with 0 fear of injury any day. Just keep good form and don’t worry unless you’re pulling in the 600lbs + Range you won’t get injured..

You’re just spewing random bs my man.

[–]Sunny_07 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Moving heavy weight from point A to point B is not the same as recruiting the right muscles or having proper muscle activation.

Proper form is so much more effective then pushing heavy weight. Your muscles don't know the weight they are lifting. They simply know stress, fatigue, recruitment/tension and react accordingly.

You don't need to lift heavy to get bigger. In addition most times when you go through strength programs you don't work enough on strength curves or different angles and variations. You couldn't bench 2 plates for 5 because you didn't train for it.

[–]ac_bro 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I couldn’t bench it because I was a weak average bro, and that’s also why I had a weak average looking physique.

You could do all the curls you want with perfect mind muscle connection and squeeze at the top and all that stuff for 10 years and you won’t gain any size if you don’t get stronger at the movement.(if you’re somehow still curling the same weight) . As long as you’re natty at least..

And getting stronger is all about perfecting form , getting a stronger bench doesn’t mean cheat at the movement and get your but off the bench , or round your lower back when pulling and risk injury. Powerlifters are almost always more efficient and have safer /better form.

The only way for a natty to gain size is progressive overload, or simply more weight on the bar or more reps . The only problem is you don’t get strong just doing 3 sets of 12 and eating on a surplus unless you’re a beginner . The biological law of accommodation will show up and straight fuck you in the ass and you simply won’t make gains .(strength or size )

[–]Sunny_07 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Getting stronger at a movement is completely different to strength training. Progressive overload is instilled in any workout regimen even in the traditional hypertrophy routine bodybuilders use (8-12 reps).

Correct me if I'm wrong but your previous post supports power lifting regiment as opposed to bodybuilding? If that's the case then getting bigger doesn't mean lifting heavy weights. If you want to get strong go ahead and follow a power-lifting regiment.

I also feel like powerlifting and bodybuilding don't place emphasis on secondary muscles, functional muscles, mobility and abs. Personally to look the best you can and also be fit/healthy it should be a combination of bodybuilding, power lifting, and functional training.

[–]ac_bro 0 points1 point  (3 children)

For the love of god there’s more to strength training than powerlifting. Hell strongman is way more interesting imo and it’s the most functional strength sport on earth.. A strong core is s core that allows you to squat heavy weights without collapsing don’t you agree? Not crunches to get a 6 pack although you definitely should aim for a 6 pack.

You won’t make progress in the “hypertrophy range “( that’s a myth , the only thing that matters for hypertrophy is total volume , number of reps in a set is irrelevant . 10x3 = 3x10 from a hypertrophy standpoint). Every natural non beginner lifter will stall there and you’ll eventually hit a point where you’re gonna be lifting the same weight for months and years . If getting stronger was that simple everyone who put in the time would be pulling 600+ lbs natty.

And please explain how is training to get a bigger deadlift not strength training?

[–]magx01 1 point2 points  (17 children)

Strength and size are achieved in different rep ranges.

[–]BRAINGLOVE 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Damn, he's over 50? Wouldn't have guessed

[–]IllHornet 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Alex Jones is younger than him lmao

[–]RxCubed 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is a red pill all on its own.

[–]Greek-God-Brody 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He looks more like 40-45 tbh, but still.

[–]juliusstreicher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unbelievable! I wouldn't have put his age even close to 40!

[–]Vic336 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what the fuck!? Seriously?? wow

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No he doesn't He looks like a strong and in-shape 50 year old guy who does TRT.

[–]magx01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRT and HGH also, let's be honest.

[–]AstralAeonSoul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget that Alpha Brain he's on. ONNIT, that's O-N-N-I-T, use code ROGAN for 10% off!

[–]PuleaSpataru69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my god! I always watch his podcast and I am good at guessing people's age and I can't belive he's over 50!

[–]amekooky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"let me just pop my shirt off" name checks out.

[–]Dennis__Reynolds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michael Angelo's, David.

[–][deleted] 97 points98 points  (5 children)


I mean, yeah, no shit. But i also see 30-50 year old gym rats in phenomenal shape who literally do nothing else noteworthy with their lives. Live in a shitty place, work a shitty job, etc. Remember that lifting is a piece of the puzzle.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Remember that lifting is a piece of the puzzle.

Yes!!! Getting an education and a good professional job allows (if the they play their cards right) middle aged guys the time and money to take care of themselves -- which of course includes lifting.

[–]anonumaus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah but achieving something when you don't have enough power could be hard

[–]BewareTheOldMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This - exactly. Remember - it's the "whole-man" concept.

Like the older guy in the Summary Posting, I've been into fitness since the teen years and early 20s, 30s, 40s, etc., no recreational drugs, no excess drinking or tobacco use and like the young man says "it pays off." I gave a bit of exercise and life advice to a young man who is eager to build a better physique just the other day while at the gym. I happily obliged.

I also hit the other general life areas - finances, academics/intellect, knowledge of local, national and international event and issues, health, travel, life-experience and wisdom, etc.

I recently completed a semester of college enroute to another degree. In doing so, unfortunately, I've witnessed and confirmed much of the female behavior and nature so well-described on TRP, but that's a story for another day.

Back on topic - basically...the whole-man effort and effect.

[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (2 children)

Man I know a few guys like this and they give me hope for the future.

I’d add that the guys who really look good at that age take care of themselves in other ways too. The old adage that you can’t out-train a shitty diet becomes more apparent as you hit 35, 40, etc. Even if you hit it hard at the gym, too many pizzas and too many long nights at the bar will just make you look...old.

[–]OPdopy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I’m forty and this is absolutely right. Once I started eating right I lost 80 lbs. I workout like crazy now too. Doing shit I haven’t done since I was twenty.

[–]1Original_Dankster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

too many long nights


I look ten years younger than my age - even looked younger before I started taking care of my diet and lifting. the main reason I attribute it to is that I get lots of sleep

[–]LotBuilder 54 points55 points  (12 children)

There is a dude at my gym that is 72 and jacked. He wears a flat bill baseball cap and looks about 40 until you get right up to him. His girlfriend is a pretty hot Asian chick in her early 40’s but she looks late 20’s. She’s not a complete smoke show but she is damn good for a 72 year old guy that isn’t throwing money at her.

It’s amazing what a bunch of effort can do. These days with exercise and diet knowledge combined with supplements, TRT, HGH, etc can shave 25 years off your physical age.

I’m 40 and let myself go to shit through a combination of a shitty marriage, stressful and sedentary Job and heavy untreated clinical depression. I put myself 5th and let it happen. I changed everything (partially due to TRP) and I will look way younger and more fit at 50 than I did on my 40th birthday.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 16 points17 points  (8 children)

let myself go to shit through a combination of a shitty marriage, stressful and sedentary Job ... . I put myself 5th and let it happen.

Been in this situation. I worked my butt off trying to satisfy a wife for whom more was never enough. I didn't realize it at the time but her dumping me for a much richer guy was the best thing that ever happened to me. For the last year I've been putting myself first. I've lost over 100 pounds. I can lift almost as much as I could in my early 20s and I can do more pushups than at anytime in my life. I will turn 54 shortly and I now look a hell of a lot better than I did a decade ago (not really saying that much but I'm very happy with the improvement).

[–]LotBuilder 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Good for you man. We were married to similar women. Mine was a black hole that could just suck down any amount of energy, effort, Love, money, etc and never be happy. It was a problem within her and I was the idiot trying to fix the problems that I had no control over. I was the willing beta buxx. No longer. I put myself first everyday and everything else fills in around it. I am happier than I have ever been and in a year I’ll be healthier than I have ever been.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I was the willing beta buxx. No longer.

Exactly!!! One of my friends once noted that I never spent any money on myself. I was actually proud of that.

[–]LotBuilder 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Yep, “I don’t need anything, I’m a guy with simple needs”. What do you do for fun? “Fun? I really just work and take care of my family”

Listening to No More Mr. Nice guy changed my view and how I handle everything. I was a textbook “Nice Guy” and I was miserable. That led me here where I agree with about 80% of it. There is a bit of puffery and trying too hard but I think that’s the age range. I am slightly jealous that these younger guys discovered this information early, I wish I had.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I was miserable.

I was actually blissfully happy -- at least until near the end. I loved my family (still love the kids). I was sure my hard work meant something. I was mistaken.

[–]LotBuilder 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I hate to be spiteful about it but I do get some sick satisfaction that my life is going so much better and her life is facing some harsh realities as a 38 yo single mom with Little education and fading looks. She is 5’10, thin and was a contract model for Wilhelmina 22 years ago. She slutted it up for about 6 months but now she has refocused on landing another wealthy provider. I pray she does as it it will save me some money. I would feel bad for the guy but it’s not my problem. She is starting to feel the lifestyle crunch even with a big alimony and child support check.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

she has refocused on landing another wealthy provider. I pray she does as it it will save me some money. I would feel bad for the guy but it’s not my problem.

My ex is living with the clueless millionaire she cheated on me with (I've nick named him SuperBeta). She's burning through his money at a fever pitch but he doesn't seem to mind. I'd feel sorry for the guy but it's not like he didn't know what he was getting into.

I was able to use the fact that she really wanted to get divorced fast so she would be free to marry him to my advantage. I negotiated a pretty decent settlement (I got a chunk of her pension and she is obligated to put almost all the child support into a college savings fund for the kids). Which of course means SuperBeta is the one subsidizing her day to day expenses not me. :)

[–]LotBuilder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Great situation for you. I hope mine can land a rich chump soon.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only downside is that I'm worried our two little girls will imitate their mom rather than their big sisters.

[–]riverraider69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I occasionally find an old facebook photo of me. I'm pushing 40, and I'm looking way better that at 30, not even a contest. And still moving up.

[–]Inariii 95 points96 points  (6 children)

Another tip: if you're still in highschool, take a damn fitness /weightlifting class. Take it seriously! You have to be willing. If you take it seriously, you can instill some really good habits since you'll be lifting/active almost everyday.

[–]finelicks 50 points51 points  (1 child)

I was accidentally placed in a weight lifting class in high school. Didn’t think much of it at first, but I’m pretty sure I’d be fat as fuck if it wasn’t for that class. Surrounding yourself with motivated & confident people will change your life.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My friend in 9th grade was doing cross country and told me to join the team. I had never done exercise until that point, but I joined to hang with him. That was the best decision of my life. It instilled such good habits in me, having to run every single day.

I never realized how fat I was in middle school until I saw a picture of myself at graduation. I owe my current health to that sport and my old friend.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Very true. That’s how I got my basic knowledge and lifts.

[–]duehvdke 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Or get into sports like football. It gives a wealth of competition as well as a base in fitness, a healthy dose of social skills and teamwork, and the easiest social circle you can possibly build.

Source: just graduated, will probably have friends from football that I respect for the rest of my life

[–]decadentwesternperv 9 points10 points  (0 children)

For life outside of school, basketball is so much better as a social competitive sport.

[–]FARTBOX_DESTROYER 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Football was the only reason I lifted in high school.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Dude is a legend. Glad I got into lifting while young.

[–]Diogenes-- 31 points32 points  (5 children)

I've been a heavy smoker, heavy drinker, super stoner... I should look older than my age. I've always lifted though, and I look young for my age. I get carded buying alcohol in middle age ffs, and I'm not a woman so it's not some white knights trying to make me feel better about my collision with the wall. And I'm tall so it's also not short stature causing the perception of youth.

I think there's some scientific research about the anti-aging effects of resistance training, but shit these days there's research on everything. I'm all the proof I need. Not to mention how goddamn good lifting makes me feel, and how much muscle affects peoples' perception of you without even having to look at your face.

Anyone who doesn't lift is fucking crazy.

[–]shinolas 3 points4 points  (3 children)

How old are you?

Heavy drinking and smoking can only be kept at bay for so long. That shit will catch up to your looks no matter how much you workout.

[–]Diogenes-- 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't want to give out much peraonal info on reddit. I dont't do that stuff anymore though. I've gotten really conscious of health.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (5 children)

So you're saying I should lift? I've never seen that mentioned here before.

[–]CrispyChicken69 1 points1 points [recovered]

Lets be honest, OP is right with the message, but that 59 yr old with 10% bodyfat is probably on testosterone, HGH or some other steroid. Nothing wrong with that but that is the majority of the result.

It's still hard work obviously- but the drugs obviously encourage your body to pack on mass, cut fat, stay learn, give you energy to train harder and fully recover for the next day.

[–]purduered 18 points19 points  (10 children)

It takes a whole lot of work to get there, but if the dude looks as OP described and is an absolute monster, he is 100% roided out.

[–]SunnysideMorales 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the "top 10%" was a subjective description. It's like "that guy is def up there!", and who knows what kind of gym OP goes to, it might be top 10% of planet fitness lol

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

but that 59 yr old in the "top 10%" is probably on testosterone, HGH or some other steroid. Nothing wrong with that but that is the majority of the result.

No doubt TRT works. However, if your testosterone levels are still decent 50 year old guys can make good progress with TRT. My testosterone levels are right in the middle of the normal range -- decent for a 53 year old guy and about double the level at which most doctors would prescribe TRT. I've been working out hard and I'm seeing results even at my age without TRT. Indeed given my presently kind of out of control sex drive I'm think that heavy lifting is increasing my testosterone levels naturally.

[–]SunnysideMorales 4 points5 points  (2 children)

where did OP say his body fat was 10%?

[–]CrispyChicken69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Meant to write top 10%, my bad, I corrected

[–]seanwilliams35 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Could well be the case (TRT) but why not at that age? Can't blame the almost 60 year old when he's got younger girls swooning around him.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He is on TRT, and so should most RP men be in that age

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lets be honest, OP is right with the message, but that 59 yr old in the "top 10%" is probably on testosterone, HGH or some other steroid.

So what?

Also HGH isn't a steroid.

[–]xgozax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think setting the bar high though helps people reach their personal best

[–]blacklightsleaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea agree. The title of this post must be "Why you should hop on TRT and HGH after 50" As you said nothing bad about this, I am planning to do it too when I get older.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ha. Did he cum in your mouth or in your butt?

[–]Gurisito 31 points32 points  (22 children)

I hope to be like that man. Also thats why my son will start lifting at 13

[–]Umgator 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Start him with bodyweights, pull up, push up, dips, squats, wall sit, plank, leg lifts, sprints, burpees.

[–]Gurisito 0 points1 point  (1 child)

thats how i started at 17, goood idea.

[–]Umgator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, master body weight first then move on to the other lifts

[–]lee4333 23 points24 points  (18 children)

Do your homework on that first, I've heard that starting too young can mess with your growth plates

[–]Elevated_Gentleman 31 points32 points  (0 children)

The risk of lifting while you're very young is if you break a bone or tear a ligament, it can greatly affect how that body part will grow. You can end up with a deformed limb or one limb shorter than the other which may require extensive surgeries to fix.

My recommendation would be to stay within hypertrophy rep range (8-15 reps) and stay away from heavy weights (1-5 reps) until you're older and done most of your growing. And as always, proper form is the most important thing.

[–]VapeBrahhh 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don’t think that’s true. Anecdotally, I’ve been in and out of the gym since 14, and I’ve grown from 5’1 to about 5’11 at 19 (and still growing). If anything strength training helped me sleep deeper and longer which contributes to growth and increased growth hormone secretion.

[–]Ivan_The_Reddish 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nah, that's an urban legend. The risk is supposedly that you'll break along your growth plates and it'll fuse early and cause one limb to be shorter than the other, but in reality that's not how it works. Kids playing sports like soccer and football frequently break bones across their growth plates, and there's no epidemic of lopsided former kid athletes, because the growth plate doesn't fuse when you break it.

[–]blacklightsleaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Citation needed. First do your research.

[–]Gurisito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it should start easy, but benefiting from ragging testo and growth hormones

[–]Impulsive666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, do your homework snd find a good coach. But the homework will show that the whole growth plate issue is a myth from the 80s. If supervised by a good coach (which it should be), lifting for kids is perfectly fine.

[–]daringdeviljackass 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Been lifting since 11, now 19 years old and 6'3" tall, cannot confirm this rumour. But also never broke a bone in my life though and never had any lifting accidents, started with high reps and less weight, which is probably the best.

[–]VapeBrahhh 1 point2 points  (7 children)

That’s fucking sick bro, have you been consistent since 11?

[–]rapeturd2006 28 points29 points  (3 children)

So, at what point did you drop on your knees and rim his anus?

[–]Rares5555[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I had to get a few girls off of him, but eventually i snuck in there.

[–]phenethyljammin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ah yes. That was in the sauna after their workout, for that extra sweaty asshole.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My dad is 57 and looks 35. Works out every day.

[–]_Ozu_ 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Remember that it's not just lifting that will keep you looking younger, it's a combination of things. In fact, people have brought things up like nutrition, sleep, etc, but a huge one was totally neglected: sunscreen. Yes, if you want younger looking skin, you have to wear sunscreen every day no excuses. Sunscreen is not just for the summer, it's for every day because the sun exists every day of the year and is constantly damaging your exposed face and neck. Get a 'once a day' sunscreen SPF 30 and wear it every day.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So true. A good skin care routine is critical, and sunscreen is the cornerstone of that. Here in Florida, people who don't take care of their skin typically have faces resembling catcher's mitts by age 40. Don't be one of them.

[–]Pilliam66 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Depends where you live. Here in the UK the sun is so weak during most months that you couldn't get a tan even if you sat outside all day

[–]LaJhin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had this one gym teacher in high school that was good looking. We went to this Canoe Camping trip as a class and it was so warm that one day and he took off his shirt and all the girls were on his tip talking of how good looking he is with an amazing body. Later that day he mentioned of how he was about to retire next year.... he was 64 years old.. He rowed more than everyone on the canoe that fit at least 10 people. 64 years old... Inspiration to all

[–]TrenCobra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sunblock, retin a, and looking after your hair.

And lift obviously.

[–]bojsihtekat 1 points1 points [recovered]

8"5'...just trying to imagine what that looks like.

[–]_TheRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If he's 59 and completely shredded, he is not 'natural'. He is 100% on TRT.

There isn't anything wrong with it, and when I hit 40 I'll absolutely get on TRT as well, but don't hold this guy up as some achievable paragon of fitness. He's no different than a chick with fake tits and a fake ass - it looks great, but they weren't born that way.

[–]RightNeedsMight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get discouraged being mid forties and only new to lifting. This post made me say to myself, "self, stop being a fucking pussy!"

[–]saltyafrican 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't call that the “ultimate proof” but we all agree time and time again when someone posts about the importance of lifting.

So did you game ol' HB10 pops after giving him a sniff and a stare?

[–]betrue2thyself 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good post!! I’m 56 and working on getting into the best shape of my life. It’s only too late when you’re dead. Never give up!!

[–]killsonicme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is actually Nofap that makes you look young.

[–]NotDeadJustBroken 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Fitness is extremely important and yet I feel it is overlooked a lot

[–]DannyLovesDerby 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it has to do with how much length of life can still come with poor physical health. Our bodies are resilient and we are no longer scared of predators. This current age of humanity doesn't see the value in exercise from a subconscious level. Or.. instinctually if you will.

[–]bruiser18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Similar experience yesterday. Got talking to a guy in the gym about the heat, then about lifting and shit. I hit the pool after and met him again in the changing room where we again get chatting and he tells me he lost his wife of 25 years to cancer about 20 years ago and has been seeing women on and off the last 10 years.

A couple minutes after I think wait, what the fuck? You got married 45 years ago? He laughs and says he will be turning 70 in September.

My man literally looked about 50, my dad is 48 and I swear to god they look a similar age and my dad doesn't look old at all.

So yeah, take care of your body while you're young and your future self will thank you for it.

[–]pudyi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can attest to this. The strongest guy at my gym is a 41 year old gent who has the physique most guys in their 20's and 30's could only dream about. I see women half his age ogle at him and checks him out. Lifting really does wonders. Never skip your workout, guys.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The comments have turned to bro science per usual.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to go to Crossfit with a 56 year-old Judge. He is a former Marine (once a Marine, always a Marine) and is now a criminal law judge. The guy has kids in their teens and works quite a bit. I'm usually the stud in my moderate-level class. I'm 6' tall, 200 lbs, 20% bf (coming down, I know) and well into the 1000 pound club. This guy comes in and kicks my ass at all the plyometric stuff, and then proceeds to hang right with me when we pick up the weights, even though I'm much bigger than him, 20 years younger and 30 lbs heavier.

TL;DR Age is what you make of it....get out there and kick ass. I'm looking forward to working my way UP to what he is.

[–]Huntingprobs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then afterwards we jerked each other off in the locker room.

[–]ApexmanRP 1 point2 points  (2 children)

A great reminder for all those "Life ends at 40" doomsayers.

I am 49, 6'1 200lb lowish body fat. I lift 3 times a week and eat well. People think I am 40.

I have toyed with the idea of TRT but so far have discounted it, because I wanted to explore natural options first.

My T dropped last year, when I tried to go low carb, so now have moderate carbs and eat a lot of fat, saturated (bacon, butter, red meat) and unsaturated (nuts, avocados olive oil).

I am starting to see signs of my T levels improving so will keep on this and will get my T retested over the summer.

If you are having low T issues, I would say try the natural route first.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

As a similar-age dude (age 50) I've had the same thoughts on TRT, but docs say I'm doing fine with the regular good diet, exercise, weights, and generally avoiding bad things.

I've been into fitness since the teen years and early 20s, 30s, 40s, etc., no recreational drugs, no excess drinking or tobacco use and like the young man says "it pays off."

Like you - any major changes I would try the natural route first.

[–]ApexmanRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have lifted for most of my adult life, although not always seriously, so like you have a good foundation.

The jury is still out on whether my natural testosterone boosting is definitely working, but I feel better for it and the signs are good. Will get retested over the summer and then decide what to do..

[–]kareemgoat69giggity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I needthis haha. But fuck i just increased my bench and felt a sharp pain in my right pec. Its not torn but if i dont take a week or two off from benching i will tear it. Feels bad man, havent increased it in like 2 months or so

Also 3 ppl are shadowbanned

[–]Leonidas_79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s the key. Lifting today is what ploughing the fields was for our great grandparents, except lifting is much more aesthetically pleasing lol

[–]greyseal494 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I can guarantee you he has good genetics. I know guys who have lifted most of their lives and they look good, but they aren't model-perfect or even close. To build great muscle requires good genes, good nutrition and a lot of time.

[–]ssr401 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Which specific genes do you think he has? Because most of what you hear about genetics is pseudoscience bullshit by people looking for excuses about why they're fat and weak.

[–]ElijahBurningWoods 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, you shouldn't be smoking or drinking in abundance.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy sounds like mentor material tbh

[–]PIQAS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all this story and no sneak pic? why u do this to us :)

[–]U-94 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Been exercising non stop since 15, am 32 now. No reason to stop. Will work in testosterone or HGH into routine when I get into my 40s and 50s. I also have always alternated every other day with cardio via running and will work in more swimming as the knees go.

[–]Rares5555[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I really have to learn to swim lol. I’ve been so caught up in lifting and bjj that I just had no interest in it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should def learn to swim, for many reasons. But for low-impact conditioning, I find the rowing machine to be superior. If you've never tried it, I'd recommend it. Do some high intensity interval work on there and you'll get a killer full-body workout in less than 20 mins.

[–]JJ3314 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have definitely known people who are serious about fitness and lifting looking 15, even 20 years younger once getting well into middle age and beyond. There's no downside to living like this if done correctly, apart from time and effort—which of course is the challenge. But anything worthwhile involves this.

[–]Flintblood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I agree with the sentiment. We have to work with what we got and lifting and staying in shape is a great way to enhance whatever we’re given at birth. But how was his face, his hair, and his clothes? Do you think women would still be drooling if his face was a four or five out of 10, and he was balding, and dressed like he dgaf?

[–]Rares5555[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He had a shaved head, clean shaven face and overall a strong boned face. Clear jawline and all that.

[–]uwey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

calisthenics and diet to get the ultimate result: keep Mass and low fat.

If you do lots of gymnastics and actual functional fitness (like HIIT) injury will be a lot less.

Minimize injury, personally, I love kettlebell, it can make you pretty big if you get diet down you need mass.

Age will become number if you safely lift and do your maintenance, I know lots of dude in their late 40 or early 50 not massive but the tone, like Bruce Lee physique when they take off their shirt at the side of pool and girls just throw IOI at them constantly.

Get big by lift correctly, IF to get down the fat, and learn how to keep it for 10-20 years, that is the really hard part of the game.

[–]FOldGG 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks for sharing!

I too am a 59 year old; I just have to share this... While I am not as fit as the guy you described above, I am 215# and 5'9" tall; bench 260# and squat 350#, arms are about 18" and I bicycle 50 miles every week.

I walked into the fitness center and I ran into a 23 year old that went to high school with my sons. He was benching 115# and asked if I wanted to work in with him. After determining he was 5 minutes away from finishing I said I would just row to warm up.

When the kid is done he asks if I would like the weights off and I said "yes." Then I put 45s on each side and he asked if I was maxing right away. It gives special joy to a 59 year old to tell a 23 year old, "no, I am warming up first." Then, when I topped out at 260# he comes up to me and says, "wow, that is impressive." And I got to respond, just think kid, if you keep working in 36 years you can be as strong as me.

My youngest 2 sons, one just graduated high school and the other in his last year of college, that are extremely fit and despite significant high school sports success just discovered the weight room in the last 9 months. They are really starting to show the results and they are trying to catch their old man in the weight room.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Similar-age dude...minus some years (age 50).

Docs say I'm doing fine with the regular good diet, exercise, weights, and generally avoiding bad things.

I've been into fitness since the teen years and early 20s, 30s, 40s, etc., no recreational drugs, no excess drinking or tobacco use and like the young man says "it pays off."

Cool story and awesome display of "older man" strength. I like that.

[–]Sureshot1013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

59 year old in that kind of shape is on gear for sure, but doesn’t make it less impressive to me.. hours in the gym and maintaining high value to women is what it’s about

[–]brideboy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is fake. Girls dony drool over anyone ay the gym. They may look, but not drool. Shit men rarely drool over women at thr gym.

What gym are you going to?

[–]Rares5555[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That was um figurate speech. Heard of it?

[–]LuckyCriminal98 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about his diet? Was it just high carb low fat organic foods or what?

[–]Rares5555[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More like a lot of chicken and beef salads, along with lots of fruits and moderate carbs.

99% clean eating from what he described.

[–]doyouevenvape420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me, the differentiator is simply staying disciplined, rather than relying on motivation. We all have days we're tired, over it, and just want to bail and enjoy the additional 2 hours at home. What i've noticed is, if you get your tired ass to the lab and start changing into workout clothes/start warming-up, you'll typically get in the zone and grind through a lift. Pre-workout or edibles can help too.

[–]AuntieXhrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry Raw5555, but genetics and dumb luck are more than likely against you. You’ll more or less progress to ‘The Dating Game’ or ‘The Bachelorette’. Grooovy!

[–]genuine_destructive 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think this is more than lifting...

Since I’ve been considering it too, have any of y’all dropped alcohol entirely? How has this effected your game?

[–]djh860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Key thought to keep in mind at the gym. You are not there to work out. You are there to change your body into something attractive. Sometimes this is fairly dramatic change. This is hard work. It should hurt a little. You should feel sore in between workouts. If your muscle mass isn’t changing you aren’t doing enough or you are doing it wrong. Keep learning and adjusting and working harder until change begins to happen. Some women will flat out tell you “ I love a man with big shoulders”. You love child bearing hips and they love family protecting muscles .

load more comments (46 replies)