Now I am become Chad, the destroyer of pussy. (self.askTRP)

submitted by Heathcliff--

"I began to see why woman-haters could make such fools of women. Woman-haters were like gods: invulnderable and chock-full of power. They descended, and then they disappeared. You could never catch one."

Sylvia Plath, The Bell Jar

Around two years or so ago. I became attractive.

I’d swallowed the pill a while back, but like most of you, I assumed I was some kind of exception and didn’t lift. Well I kind of did, but had a pretty severe case of fuck-around-itis and no discipline; not to mention an inability to cook and feed myself properly. I made no gains.

I was redpill aware, and gamed girls, but really didn’t make that much progress. I knew how to pass shit-tests but didn’t get any, I knew what to do with LMR but had no girls in my room. 9s and 10s were actually quite kind to me; I mistook this for attraction, not realising that I’d actually just fallen into the “asexual-child” category women put guys in who have are not even considered men, let alone a prospect.

Eventually the humility hit me, I couldn’t stay deluded forever, and I had to accept it when looking at myself in the mirror. I was ugly.

Now I had been given a few gifts that I was wasting; one was height, no one can call me “tall”, but I’m above the average at least, so, hypothetically, I was at the threshold most women needed to consider me. The other was a not-ugly face. I wasn’t beautiful, I didn’t have a thick jaw or strong cheekbones, but my face was passable; no stand out blemishes or disproportioned features.

I can work with this, I thought. I may not be Brad Pitt but I can scrape through into “attractive” if I work hard enough.

There were however, downsides to the gifts, and things I didn’t get; my height came with a skinny, ectomorphic body, with an albatross armspan leading to thin wrists and pencil neck. My face can be considered feminine, boyish; more Justin Bieber than Ryan Gosling, weak chin, unable to grow a beard, or even sufficient stubble. My hair at the time was long, thick and gay. My back twisted into one of the worst cases of rounded shoulders I have seen on anyone, with a forward facing nerd neck, video-gamers anterior pelvic tilt, the whole shebang. It was gross.

I was a 3, if I’m being nice. But at that level ratings mean nothing anyway; anything less than a 7 and you’re invisible to women.

At the time I still had this magical idea of women, that they were different than us, that they could look past the beauty and be attracted to alpha-personality on the inside, that they didn’t need us to look good in order to want to fuck us, we could make up for it in other ways. That they had better control of their sexual urges and weren’t as visually turned on as us. That they didn’t really enjoy sex like we do and degeneracy put them off; that they were pure, poised beings with grace and innocence.

Lmao. Delusional.

After years of painful rejections and bitchy put downs, I stopped making excuses and began to accept that I wasn’t the exception; I needed to lift and fix my body in order to become attractive; all the game in the world couldn’t help me if I still looked like a teenage fedora nerd.

So I began to take it seriously.

I started off as a 3.

The first thing that happened was my posture sorted itself. Deadlifts and Bent-Over-Rows fixed my forward shoulders within a fortnight. Stretches solved the APT. I was purposefully checking my posture and neck whenever I remembered, and forcing myself upright. It was uncomfortable, sometimes painful, at first, but my body fell into a new equilibrium and settled. I stood up straighter and sat better in chairs; people would notice, a few said “did you get taller?”. I became a 4.

Next I cut my hair. It used to hang below my ears cos fuck gender norms and short haircuts were for jocks and I liked heavy metal. This time though I told a new barber to cut it short. Men have short hair.

It was a disaster. I was horrified at the boot-camp haircut he gave me, it made my face look even skinnier and gaunter than before.

But I pushed through it, after a few weeks the hair grew out and became scruffy and messy and actually… looked good. I suddenly felt 3 years older and more masculine, looked like an actual male. I began taking care of it better, stopped shampooing it every day like a retard, and after a few weeks of grease it settled into a natural, thick cleanliness. It felt so nice I would just play with it sometimes.

People commented; “your hair looks so much better this way”. I became a 5.

At this point I was lifting properly. I was going 4 times a week, no exceptions, no excuses, and enjoying it. I wasn’t lifting heavy, and was a bit insecure about my low weight on the bar, but knew ego-lifting was for pussies who hurt themselves. More importantly though, I was cooking properly, and eating properly. I enjoyed this new hobby, cooking, more than the lifting. I was hungry all the time, something I had never known or experienced, and so I grazed throughout the day until I was hitting 3k+ calories consistently. Everything about me got slightly chubbier, and I stopped being able to see my ribs; my face started packing on fat too, and began to take on a more masculine appearance, my skin looked and felt different. A few people said “you look healthier, you look like you’re glowing”. I became a 6.

I changed my wardrobe. I’d just hit it big time on a STEM scholarship so splurged out on new clothes. At first I went on reddit fashion subreddits and brought desert boots and oxford shirts and chinos, but I looked like a damn Victorian twink wearing all this. I was very self-conscious going outside because it just didn’t feel right, it was like I was in a costume.

Sometimes I would go out in sweats and a hoodie and trainers and think “wow I actually look kind of badass” like, old women would walk across the street to avoid me. So I adopted the style. I dressed like a black dude for a while and felt much more comfortable; it felt like “me”, and it would hide my skinny frame. Eventually I started finding which colours worked for me, and adding my own personality to the style; things about me from teenagehood I couldn’t just drop, band t-shirts and chucks and vans and flannel. It worked, very well. I got compliments from people on the roadman-grunge hybrid, it felt effortless and suited me, didn’t feel like a costume. I’m young, and stopped trying to dress old. I became a 7.

It was at this point I started getting looks from women on public transport. I would hop onto a train and a 5/10 would see me and I’d see her and then her eyes would snap away and I’d be like “weird” and then she’d look again and see me looking and her eyes would snap away again and then she’d fix her hair. Often I would check my face to see if I had anything in my nose or whatever.

This kept happening for a while and I was getting quite self-conscious about it. Was I creepy or weird? Was I dressed funny? Have I got a big nose or ears or something and they just can’t stop looking?

It’s been about a year at this point and I can finally squat my bodyweight for 5x5 and while I still look skinny in clothes I check myself out shirtless in the mirror and am impressed. I moved on from my strength program to an aesthetics program and started actively working on my pencil neck to make it thicker and chest to make it wider. I saw results within weeks. Suddenly my neck was solid and thick and I was stretching my shirts. I’d also picked up bouldering and this pumped up my forearms and back like no-ones business. I became an 8.

It started to become undeniable that women were checking me out. Every time I would get on a train there would be at least one woman who would see me and we’d meet eyes and she’d quickly look away. Then her hand would go to her nose and scratch it or she’d smooth down her skirt or she’d fidget or fix her hair or fringe. I didn’t understand why. Often she’d look back at me when she thought I wasn’t looking again and I’d catch her and she’d snap away again and I started having a lot of fun messing with girls this way.

I even began to count how much it happened during the day; my average is 6. Some days are better than others, normally after a haircut or during rush-hour. Honestly, if this is what it’s like being an attractive guy getting checked out by women, I cannot even begin to imagine what it’s like being an 18 year old HB9 in public; like minor a celebrity probably. No wonder they’re all so damn entitled and full of themselves, the validation is immense. Or maybe it just gets tiring and annoying after a while. I still enjoy it though.

Some women would hover nearer to me or turn their body so they were facing me and their feet would point in my direction or they’d begin copying things I did or how I sat. Some just couldn’t stop looking, even if I caught them. There was this one girl, not that attractive, who backed up into me on a very crowded sardine train and started grinding her fucking ass into my crotch like we were in a club. I thought it was an accident at first but got a boner anyway but then she kept fucking doing it and I knew for a fact that she could feel my hardon poking her buttcrack yet she continued.

It started to become flattering when I would get the looks from really hot women. Girls who I still considered out of my league would stare at me and sneak glances and I’d look back like “wtf you looking at” and then they’d sit next to me or across from me and play with their hair or part their legs or touch the inside of their thighs. Sometimes it would come from older women, cougars and milfs who were much more subtle about it but would also smile at me when I caught them looking.

Oh yeah, the smiles from women were a big giveaway, women don’t randomly smile at ugly men.

I was still denying it though. Still sneakily checking my reflection in my phone to make sure I didn’t have anything on my face or a booger. I couldn’t accept I was attractive, not after a whole life of invisible betadom. AI was actually getting laid at this point though, with 6s and 7s I met at school, and this would improve my mood and mindset. It began to show in the way I walked, my aura changed and I would manspread or check out girls without giving a fuck. At this point, I’m a 9 to some women. I can’t pull off the whole big and masculine thing, still too boyish, but I definitely got that pretty boy Dorian Gray fuckboy vibe going.

It was when I got these stares from women who were with their boyfriends that I began to get blackpilled. They would sit there holding their boyfriends hands or he’d be diddling away on his phone and the bitch would sneak glances and then get all fidgety. We’d meet eyes and I’d hatestare her and then she’d blush and then start grooming herself and the guy would be fucking oblivious. She would continue to sneak glances for a while until they left, or sometimes the guy would pick up on it and then hatestare me back and then put an arm around his girl or something. I don’t blame him. The whole time all I could think was “stop looking at me whore your bf is right there”.

It’s when I started getting stares from the teenage girls and children, some of them quite clearly pre-teens that it started to make me feel sick. I understand that I look like I could be in one-direction or something but I was not ready for this level of blackpilling. They can’t start this early can they? When I was that age all I cared about was yugioh. Wtf are they doing staring at me? This is wrong, very wrong. Often it would make me so uncomfortable I would get off and wait for the next train.

Every time I looked in the mirror I was unimpressed, still fuck ugly and twinky, still and forever small.

Yet the indicators from the outside world were undeniable. I would be walking past a group of girls who were talking loudly and they’d all go quiet and look. Women in my vicinity would get louder and more obnoxious, trying to draw my attention. And still, always, excessive spontaneous grooming from any girl who would see me.

One girl in the library who I used to check out while she squatted at the gym would plop herself down next to me and sigh loudly. Then she’d keep doing it and then accidently bump into me sometimes or drop things and then sigh some more. Another girl followed me around a party and eagerly fetched me drinks and asked me very personal questions until her boyfriend had to confront me and I acted all oblivious.

A lot of women conveniently forget to mention their boyfriends around me. I’d hang out with them for weeks or months and we’d chat in class and I’d flirt quite heavily but subtly as I’m good at it by now and she just won’t tell me she has a boyfriend until I either find out myself through social media or I see them together or she’s forced to mention it because we’re in a group setting or one of her friends sabotages her and brings it up. Normally there’s a quick “wtf bitch why u do that” look between the two girls after. Hilarious shit.

Then you get the betas who are scared of you and treat you like a king. The guys who stutter around you and worship the ground you walk on. You have the guys at the gym who end their sets early if you ask them for the rack because they’re so fucking agreeable they’re scared of telling you they have sets left. There was a dude who basically did my coursework for me for a while, whenever I’d ask him for help with a question he just sent me the full answer and it confused me at first why this guy was bending over backwards for me until I found out he was a faggot and that’s when I realised just how much worship women get from betas; pathetic.

Then you have the betas who are absolutely threatened by you and try to AMOG you at every turn. They get all hyper-competitive in groups, especially with girls, and are fucking loud and obnoxious. I just sit back and let them crash and burn, knowing the golden rule is the more you talk the more faggy you come across. I feel kinda bad for these guys because they’re not attractive and hate you because you are, but they don’t lift or make any real effort and think being aggressive makes them more alpha so not my problem.

Ugly and average girls are super nice to me and give me the sparkle eyes like I’m a god and seem to be happy they’re just in my presence. They laugh at everything I say even when I’m not trying to be funny and stalk my facebook profile with their friends (attested by the random likes on photos posted 4 years ago). Pretty girls go into full on bitch mode as soon as we meet. This never happened before, I was treated like a child before, but still human. Now the 8s and up all assume I want to fuck them (or hope I do) so start shit-testing me from the first word.

Then there’s the girls who change their whole personality around you and become fake. There’s this histrionic jewish girl in my class who bounces around me and does all she can to try and impress me and is wild and childish but in that attractive way where you know she’s crazy in the sack. It was cute at first so I asked her if she wanted to hang out after class with my friends to smoke weed and so we did and I brought my bro round who is one of my best friends but also kind of beta still and we all smoked and he didn’t really say anything embarrassing or cringey he’s just kind of shy and doesn’t lift and this whore went into full on beta shaming putdown mode on the dude and made fun of him and laughed. It made me SO angry that she could so easily flip between submissive sex kitten to ice queen sneering maneater, especially to my best friend, and so I caught that shit and stopped it as tactfully as I could in the situation then ghosted her.

At this point I’m actually getting laid a lot, from women who meet my standards, and it’s hard not to start hating women and just how fucking degenerate they can be. I started off being scared of women; thinking they were smart little princesses with sweet smiles, and they terrified me because they seemed to see right through me and had this magical, ethereal power of intuition. Now I know that was just me projecting my own weakness and insecurity and actually they’re all fucking stupid and malicious and irrational.

Before trp I didn’t hate women. They baffled me, they confused me, they scared me, but I didn’t hate them. I treated them with “respect”, which really meant I kissed ass and sucked up to them. I didn’t get laid.

Now I get laid, and I hate women. Now they piss me off. Now they frustrate me. Now they disappoint me. Now I’m a misogynist.

I’m not a woman hater due to inexperience like the feminists think so, in fact when I was inexperienced I treated women better than I ever do now. It’s precisely because I deal with the prettiest and smartest girls on the daily that I’ve come to the conclusion that they’re all fucking retarded. All of them. If they’re pretty they’re a whore. If they’re smart they’re also a whore. The “smartest” girls I know are the biggest sex addicts and wildest in bed. If they’re not a whore they’re normally ugly, or just fucking dopey, or incredibly bitchy and hard to be around.

Oh and “boyfriend”. Lol. That word means nothing to pre-wall women. Or at least, it doesn’t mean what we think it means. It means companion. It means backup option. It means fashion accessory. It means status symbol. To be paraded around and make other girls jealous. But it definitely does not mean “exclusive sex partner”. The “boyfriend” is a term for the baseline, comfortable branch she’s sitting on at the moment while reaching for a higher-chad, at the slightest hint of confirmed upgrade the dude is dropped. Closest translation to trpSpeak is “main plate”. There is no such thing as a girl who is 100% exclusive to her man, they all cheat, and often without thinking about it, never "on purpose". They don’t see it as cheating, it's just normal to them, they feel entitled to it. Their definition of cheating changes with their whims and the weather. I’ve banged way too many girls with boyfriends to ever take the “I have a boyfriend” shit-test at face value.

You’ll be surprised at the things girls tell you when you’ve just pounded her into an existential crisis and she realises you’ll never actually commit to her, you know she’s a whore and accept it without judgement. She’s honest in that moment. The n-counts they reveal… the experiences they’ve had, and the way they speak about their boyfriends, or orbiters… With utter contempt! With revulsion, mockery! I’ve had more than one girl lay there telling me about the size of another guys dick or how much of a pussy he is or laughing about when he cried or did something embarrassing and it made me fucking sick.

I’ll be laying in bed after having cum in some girls asshole and she’ll sigh as she picks up her phone and there are 20 ignored messages from her orbiters and I’ll sometimes look over and it will be something like “sorry for getting all emotional yesterday I was drunk lol, wanna get lunch today?” and she’d be like “not today sorry xxox” and if only the dude knew that she’s laying on my chest scratching my balls with her other hand while typing this. Sometimes I’m pounding a girl with a fistful of hair and her phone keeps buzzing and it’s her boyfriend and I say “aren’t you gonna get that” and she says “nah just ignore it” and I say “it’s distracting switch it off” so she switches off her phone.

And then you have the ones who are all sweet and innocent and demure and shy and have the perfectly cultivated family oriented social medias and aesthetic photography instagrams yet are in an uber to your place at the slightest hint of a booty call and eagerly tongue swirl your asshole while you browse reddit on your phone.

The wool is no longer over my eyes. It has been burnt away violently. They’re all whores. All of them. women on the train who stare without shame. The MILFs who brush their tits up against you. The teenage girls who think they’re being sneaky taking snapchats of your manspread. The girls who kiss you while their boyfriend is in the other room at the party. The girls who sit in front of you during lectures and bend over and turn around a lot. The girls who take selfies for their boyfriends while their lower half is grinding on your dick.

All of them. Without exception. All it took for me was to get attractive and suddenly I’m in a completely new world, an entirely different fucked up game where the true nature of the female sex is revealed. Becoming Chad was the best and worst thing that ever happened to me. Sure I wasn’t getting laid before but at least I had faith in the “fairer” sex and my world was more pleasant. The illusion was nice to uphold for a while… but now that it’s shattered I’m left with a disgusting, stark, reality that I didn’t sign up for. I didn’t want this shit, send me back to the Matrix please.

You don’t get hit by the anger phase just once, it comes in waves. Initially when you swallow the pill, but multiple times after that. The first time you fuck a cute little thing and she treats you like a sex-god only to realise you’re actually her plate and she treats every other guy this way too. The first time you accidentally meet the kids of that woman who’s face you cum-splattered a few days before. The first time you get given an STD by that small innocent girl you met at the art gallery. Each time you’ll get the surge of rage. Why the fuck do they have to be like this? How can they ALL be like this, yet uphold the good-girl image so perfectly and sweetly? They’re all fucking whores. They’re all damn liars.

The sex isn’t worth it. After overindulging as Chad for a while it becomes boring. Meaningless. I don’t want to use these girls as fucktoys, I hate it. And even if I stopped, some other guys will use them anyway. I just wish they’d all stop being lying fucktoys period. Can’t we just have enforced monogamy again where everyone fucks only one person their whole life and sex isn’t a big fucking deal at all? Where we understand the destructive nature of sex as a drug and keep it under control?

Yes I know it’s delusional and beta of me and imma get the spergs like “still bluepill, still anger phase why r u endosrsed u retard, just deal with it enjoy the decline blab la bla” but fuck man, if you’d seen what I’ve seen you wouldn’t just be able to cope with this shit and remain a bystander, it’s sad what’s happened to our women. They’re not the enemy, they’re not something to be used and enjoyed and thrown away, they’re our sisters and mothers and daughters…“enjoy the decline” is for hedonistic, nihilist losers, faggots who assume they have no power in the world so just fucking give up trying to change it.

I became attractive to get girls, I became Chad, and the world I was inducted into horrifies me. I want out.

[–]modTheRedPike[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (5 children)

School must be out. Look, you adderal addicts among us, do me a favor and stop commenting on posts when you clearly haven't read the whole thing. This post is a certain writing style. It's not going to be for everyone, particularly those that can't stay in their seats for more than 45 seconds unless the teacher duct tapes them to it. Bitching that it is too long or that it is a story is retarded, because it clearly is a long story, retards. For thousands of years people have been writing stories that were entirely, partially or not at all fiction to make a point. The point is what we care about.

I want to thank Heithcliff for outing the blooptard tourists that were lurking. The bans were plentiful. As for the whining spergs, either attack his ideas or shut the fuck up. The method of presentation is not a matter of debate. He clearly took his time with it, which is way more than I can say for the many dozen shitposts automod and the rest of us have removed today alone.

[–]AllahHatesFags 298 points299 points  (13 children)

AWALT. And THOTs wonder why Chad doesn't respect them and won't commit. Respect is earned, but earning things is a foreign concept to today's entitled women.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Stop making sense, damn it!

[–]TheGillos 35 points36 points  (1 child)

This is pure, uncut, red pill.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's absolutely a feedback loop or either complete fuckery or conquest.

[–]ksatriamelayu 13 points14 points  (9 children)

OP is now woke on why Allah proscribes a certain few things on women's behaviour...


[–]Dantevilgax 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Hey...as a Muslim I would urge you not to bring Islam into this discussion

[–]kurdishpower01 24 points25 points  (3 children)

We can bring anything into this discussion if it proves our point. God/The people who created religion knew of humans nature to its fullest extent.

Religion suppresses natural instinct and promotes consistency with tasks like praying which a lot of people lack nowadays. I am not debating that god exists or not but the concept of religion is needed to keep people in check. We have modern capitalism now which also works.. kinda.

[–]Dantevilgax 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I agree 100%. I'm more than grateful to be a muslim in a muslim country because I can build a family without the fear of things like divorce rape, cheating wife, my children being taken away etc. etc. The reason I asked the OP to keep Islam out of it is because its not accepted very well in this community mostly and people tend to say harsh things

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Would you still feel as grateful if you were gay?

[–]ksatriamelayu 5 points6 points  (1 child)

look at the username of the top poster

[–]KBeer01 461 points462 points  (93 children)

The first time you fuck a cute little thing and she treats you like a sex-god only to realise you’re actually her plate and she treats every other guy this way too.

This part freaked me out... because I suspect that this is exactly what might be the case with my latest plate... so sweet and submissive and eager to please. She stares into my eyes after sex. She strokes my hair and kisses me. She wakes me up the next morning with a soft kiss and whatever else I feel like. She gives me affection and fills my being with her bright, life-giving energy...

...and then I have to face the possibility that she's giving exactly this to another dude(s). F.U.C.K.

I have no place in my heart that can deal with this shit yet.

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

Ouch. I feel the pain. This is something I still can't get over. Is it all fake? Are they putting on a show? Or do they really love us in that way... and those other guys too.

Women, always a fucking enigma.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 253 points254 points  (37 children)

It's kind of like partner dancing. Many people you don't want to connect with because they are too old or ugly. Some people you will tolerate connecting with, but only for the practice, and demonstrate that you have enough value that someone is willing to connect with you, and to pass the time, and you are performing a service... and then, and then... there are the people you want to connect with.

But guess what? There are more than one of them. And of this subset, there are some that make you feel like you are in love with them, and that they are in love with you.

But it's all very transient. It comes and goes. You then realize that if you are going to have a loving relationship, that it is based on choice, and that it requires shared values and goals, and not mere attraction.

The fact of the matter is, you cannot base a relationship off of transient feelings and emotions that come and go. This is something that culturally advanced people understand, and have passed on to their children. It's why marriages were arranged, traditionally. It's why romantic love was considered akin to madness, something to be endured, but then ultimately discarded. There are many scholarly books that describe this.

Yet today we are sold a fairy-tales of "one true love" and "sex will make you happy."

So people think, I will have lots of sex, then find my one true love. In chasing the sex, they become sex addicts and lose the ability to pair bond, then become dissatisfied with who they wind up with, if they wind up with anyone at all. They now know what they are missing in the sex department. Sure, some people get lucky, but most don't. But guess what? Under NO regime is anyone going to be happy. Monogamous people who never strayed out of fear of divine retribution always wondered what they were missing. Many so-called monogamous couples had affairs of various kinds; it was just kept secret, as something to be ashamed of.

Anyway, now that you are Chad, I suggest you find a good candidate to have a child with, then get back to a mission of value in life, because it sure ain't servicing random sluts for free. I mean, think about it, if you are as good as you say, you should be charging for the privilege, otherwise you are just giving away your time for free, even though you are getting laid, you have already experienced as much validation as any guy can expect. So now it's time to look elsewhere for meaning in life.

[–]hakubamatata 30 points31 points  (3 children)

He should just be appropriately choosy.... I mean If he intends to only fuck model material...he’ll be challenged. There is no good good candidate to have a child with really, the main variable is actually money. You need a lot of it to pay the cleaner, the baby sitter, for the house and still have time for fun... so yea he should focus on the mission and just choose a nice new woman to enjoy every few weeks as a treat/reward for the dedicated gym routine and hours going into whatever his mission may be

[–]KBeer01 26 points27 points  (1 child)

What a fucking awesome reply. Thanks for taking the time to type this out dude. Helps me get my head on straight again.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No problemo.

[–]Prison4SideofBeef 18 points19 points  (15 children)

I want to find a woman fit to bear my children but they are all hos. I have been all over the world and dated women from every walk of life and many different cultures. Rich girls and extremely poor girls. First world girls, third world girls, scandi girls, baltic girls, eastern euros, azns, africans, latinas, white girls, american black girls, ETC ETC ETC. AWALT rings true. I want a traditional girl who shares my religion and is a virgin to have my kids but all those girls want marriage and I don't know if I'm down for that. It's a true gordian knot. I'd love to have kids if I ever found a woman I could trust would not ruin my kid's development at the first chance she got if things went sour between me and her. But I'm not sure that woman exists.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 23 points24 points  (13 children)

Can't you just cleverly hide a bunch of your assets, create a prenup, use trusts, etc. and then take the risk with the traditional woman who wants marriage and see what happens? Worst comes to worst, you take a minor financial hit that you prepared for.

I know 50% of marriages fail, but think about all the bluepill idiot men who are wifing up no-hope ex-carousel-riding sloots who will revert to their true ways once they pop out a few interest-yielding Chad children.

I wonder what the success rate is for TRP men with traditional women?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Rollo, 20 years

Tex, 30 years

Me, 10 years

They are good. When you know the rules, it's just a matter of playing the game well.

Legally, it's not smart to hide assets, they are really good at finding this. Beyond that, it's just money, you can make more, just don't be stupid and gift it to her to save on taxes

[–]Prison4SideofBeef 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Can't you just cleverly hide a bunch of your assets, create a prenup, use trusts, etc. and then take the risk with the traditional woman who wants marriage and see what happens? Worst comes to worst, you take a minor financial hit that you prepared for.

In theory I suppose, but it seems like a massive chore. Maybe will be down in a few years heheh.

In my ideal world I want a harem of baby mamas, each of them being a responsible adult who raises my kid well. I still don't want to give up on that dream just yet, and marriage seems like giving up on the dream

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well, you can always knock up a bunch of women, but when they find out you won't commit to one exclusively, even without a marriage, you're going to find them resentful, I would imagine, which would carry over to how they raise your child. Also, I think women suck, in a lot of ways, at raising children. Then again, I think most people suck at it as well, even when they are doing a "good job."

[–]ImHereAtLast 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Pick up a copy of Coming Apart by Charles Murray. The 50% failure rate is an aggregate, much like the wage gap. The real number can be much, much lower, depending on ethnicity, SES, and level of education between you and your spouse.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent, thanks for the suggestion.

[–]IndependentAccount 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Romeo and Juliet. Schools teach the "struggle to overcome the barriers of love (infatuation)," lens instead of the "if you check-out into fantasy, your whole life will be destroyed" one.

Partnership is dead. You can still have a quasi-marriage with a custom contract and by living in a state without civil unions. Or you might wait it out until the next few generations of women are raised and roll the dice (perhaps some of you might even decide to push this stopped car up its hill).

If you're intelligent with your revenue streams, you can also pay for exclusive in-house escorts to experience the rest of your days with. You get what you pay for, and that includes the essential skills needed in a wife -- and more.

I know the last has been effective in finding women that stick around. While the former two are just leaving things up to chance.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Will these escorts have and raise your kid?

[–]yumyumgivemesome 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Their ultimate goal is usually to get that engagement ring and live a comfortable life. So in their heads they are trying to love all of their guys because they never know which one will finally suck it up and commit.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's real...Right now. Don't ask tomorrow or the answer might upset us.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To look at it a different way: if you stay in the moment, does it really matter? TRP is about enforcing your view of reality and materializing it. Staying present and mindful... Sharp and tactful (some of you have a very different version of tact, however, I have no judgement here).

Regardless if she does this with other men (she does), you have your desires met as planned. If you have your house in order, what a women does or does not do (less blatant disrespect, physical violence, etc) should not take away from your overall well being. Even severe negative encounters with women should not take away from your piece of mind. A red pill man is the prize. A man with passion, with vision, with confidence that walks tall and stands firm in his beliefs, who hand-sculpts his reality and his body is a man that is few and far between. Pretty women are a dime a dozen. I, quite literally, do not have time to waste wondering what a plate is doing when not in my presence. (As I write this while taking a break at my desk on a Saturday, working my 20th day in a row with 6 more to go before the possibility of a day off. You don’t have time to waste on this either)

TRP allows you to appreciate women for what they are, not the ability to change how they are. No need to dwell on the things we cannot change. I don’t believe I’m off base when I say that there are many men who would not change how women are. For me personally, it is far to simple to get my way.

I’ve read many of your posts Heathcliff, you seem to have your head on straight. Respect.

[–]FJHUAI 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It is definitely real just like when you bro out with one of your friends and play a video game. You all might not like that video game forever but y'all are enjoying it right now.
Facing a harsh reality shows us that no one will ever truly be in full connection with another person forever on a subject. Time is a killer of interest.

Live in the moment and have as much fun as you can because we all will die eventually. Try not to get mad at the fact that one day you will separate. We all die alone and we are all separated from each other in the end.

[–]2littleblacktruck 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Once you get past the disappointment in women, you'll be amused by their behavior and it's predictability. I hear they call it Mastery. :)

[–]warburgio 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think for them it is real. Feelz for the win. You put ur manly reasoning to this and the bubble bursts. Read some stoics.

[–]illusiveab 35 points36 points  (2 children)

She doesn't belong to you, it's just your turn

[–]DarkMountain666 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Time and time again this statement holds the ultimate truth in many of people's situations.

[–]TheReformist94 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Let that sink in that women don't care about commitment.they are the polygamous players.

[–]hakubamatata 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Of course they are. So are men. We all are.

If you think you’re not. Try getting married and living a year with almost no sex

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Worst is when you think she's in love with you, you start to invest emotionally, and then she suddenly ghosts you because she has found a better AF/BB.

TRP is harsh.

[–]sealdream 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Something like this recently happened to me for the first time. Is it ever real? ... she was talking about poetry and society and the future. She seemed inexperienced too. I’m shook.

[–]Coptek91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just enjoy it man. Go through the good and bad of the love drug that BILLIONS of other men have done before you. Just keep your wits about you and wear a condom.

Yes AWALT, mother nature is a cruel mistress. Thank god that you have a steady food source and a roof over your head. Women's nature for manipulation, attachment, and grab for a man's resources are as primal as men's lust for tight ass and killing. We're all just humans that are going to get swallowed up by this earth one day or another

[–]AshyLarry27 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I think the idea of this "painful" reality is nonsense. We can yell "AWALT" up the wazoo, but any guy successfully spinning plates knows he's done this thing back to women. I know I have. Once you start spinning plates, you have an array of girls you have to play your song and dance to as well. You will have a plate you treat well, she treats you well, and you think maybe she's the one . . . you know while you're fucking and treating another plate the same way. When you're hot into abundance mentality, it prevents true attachment. I think guys just have that one plate every once in a while that makes them reconsider TRP truth's, usually when other plates start to drop/break. I think because women naturally have options, they rarely go through that "he's the one" mentality fully and develop one-itis the way we can.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I've had this problem, but recently I realised that girls do this only for one reason: they want to be impregnated. Nowadays we use contraception, so she assumes "intfertile male" and moves to another one. I don't think it was this bad in the ancient times, you just made a bitch pregnant for 10-15 times during her life time, her teeth fell out (them BJ tho), half of your kids died, those were the days. Now the worst situation a manly man has is his own preassumtion of looking for Disney princess and finding out that she really likes dicking.

I'm not sure what's worse, the blue pill ideology or the fact that you think you're "red pill", sharing emotions with u/Heathcliff-- , him feeling your pain in the comment below... tf.

[–]warburgio 273 points274 points  (30 children)

'All women are whores' - they are just women, no more, no less. No whores, no saints. It is just how they are made. C hange your impression of women and don't get angry any more. I recommend stoics- Aurelius and Epicteus.

[–]genuine_destructive 191 points192 points  (26 children)


As if all men aren’t whores too? Do I not want to bang nearly every attractive women I see?

Red pill is about clarity. Clear your mind of the bs.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 52 points53 points  (8 children)

As if all men aren’t whores too?

They are not. The empirical evidence shows the majority of sexually active men are LUCKY if they get laid even once a year. They may wish they were whores, but the fact of the matter is only a minority of men have multiple sexual partners in a given year.

[–]genuine_destructive 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Haha oo deeper philosophy - does the desire / thoughts or only the physical action make a whore?

I’d say it’s the desire / thoughts. After all, what would we call the girl who says she wants to sleep with 10 men in a month (but doesn’t succeed)?

In other words I think you just proved that men are generally unsuccessful whores hahah...

Circling back to my original point - both genders really enjoy sex and calling any side a whore is pretty dumb.

I get that people need to go through their anger phase, but it’s the job of people who are further along to help people out of that.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes. Secret kings don't rule kingdoms

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The definition of a whore is someone that takes something in return for offering sex. It has nothing to do with if they enjoy it or not. Yeah, most men would absolutely love to be whores, but the vast, vast majority cannot participate in this market place. Women just won't pay for it when there is a long, twisting line of men willing to pay them for it.

Anger phase? Where does that sit next to willful ignorance phase?

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (4 children)

Back to the sidebar for you. This is day 1 TRP material. Men cannot be “whores” while women can be because of biology. Whore is a slur we to use to indicate that a woman is not suitable for commitment because her sexual history shows that you may end up fathering another man’s child.

There is no equivalent concept for men because female parentage is assured. A promiscuous man may be called a player or a cad by some, but the negative implications are completely different - namely that he is shirking his responsibility to society to raise his children. Totally different concept.

Please make the appropriate corrections and resubmit your homework.

Edit: hilarious that this is downvoted. It’s core TRP. Quality of the sub is drastically falling. Even my regular friends understand this concept, despite only admitting it in private.

[–]redpilledcuck 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Ok Mr. Autist. He means all men are promiscuous just like women are - "whores".

[–]SeedThrownAway 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is a place where specificity matters.

[–]hakubamatata 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Haha so true. OP had become the whore he despised. Ohhh the irony. I did the same as him when I swallowed the pill however... don’t we all

[–]FatStig 1 points1 points [recovered]

You clowns don't know what whore means. Men produce value. Women consume value. Men exchange value for sex with women. Women are whores for selling sex.

[–]hakubamatata 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t matter how you slice it, it’s an exchange of value in some shape or form

[–]oneutch 8 points9 points  (2 children)

"Men produce value. Women consume value." I don't get this, what kind of value can a man produce that a woman can't?

[–]Acrimont 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Women inherently have sexual value, men do not. Men's value to women is in their commitment.(financial, temporal, social) A low-quality woman is a woman who dishes out sex without sufficient commitment on the part of men. A low quality man is someone who gives out commitment without receiving much sex in return.

This is core TRP theory. Try to ignore the day-to-day posts before understanding it. Check out http://www.redpillhandbook.com/

[–]hakubamatata 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Speak for yourself, women used to travel far and wide just to get a good dickening from me. And they knew I had other women and didn’t want to settle. All they wanted was what I wanted Friday night sex, Saturday morning sex, brunch and then to be on their merry way

[–][deleted] 213 points214 points  (16 children)

U can't unswallow the pill brother.

[–]jonpe87 45 points46 points  (0 children)

"Which would be worse: To live as a monster, or to die as a good man?" Teddy, Shutter Island

[–]anabolic92 175 points176 points  (2 children)

I don't think you need to be Chad to come to this realization. Yes, the "Chaddest" , the better tough.

I will not deny, it is frustrating. When your BP side takes over and you'd love to commit to that cute fit girl with amazing body an cute face your TRP side has to kick in and remind you it's not possible.

Since childhood, women are taught that they can get away with anything without consequences. The "sexual revolution" that made sex so cheap regarding risks(to 20% of the men of course) applies to that concept.

Hypergamy can be seen as a two edged sword: it makes her want to fuck you over her bf, but it will make her fuck any other higher value man any time, and from that point you're dead to her.

Try to stay at the top all the time.

[–]FratboyOnReddit 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Try to stay at the top all the time

Thank you, you sparked a little fire in me. Bout to have the best lift of my life.

[–]KnightsThrowaway333 159 points160 points  (14 children)

Before and after pics or gtfo

[–]red1392 1 points1 points [recovered]

I wouldn't be ready to post pics at 5x5 BW squat tbh

[–]micahg7 1 points1 points [recovered]

Agreed, it isn't hard to put pics .

This post has a really negative vibe about it, feels like a big ad for his "sub."

Not all women are like what op describes

[–]IndependentAccount 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Do some research into the people you off-hand before your reputation goes from "unknown" to "stupid."

Here's what I learned about you:

1). You're a junior in high school (couple days from being 18)

2). You failed your driver's license test

3). You post on incels and "braincels" subs, in good faith

4). You're running a "watch business" off of Instagram (the dropshipping/private labeling of 2018)

5). Your game is passive

6). You've been in an LTR for 2 years with a girl that gets hit on in front of you

These are just the things relevant to TRP. In another handful of posts you've given enough information for anyone to be able to DOX you.

Tighten up your post history, go read through Heathcliff's sub, and lurk more.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

AWALT. Woman are hypergamous.

[–]bone_shadows 33 points34 points  (3 children)

The mental masturbation on this thread is insane. Not saying I don't enjoy it though. However I find it really hard to believe random women are rubbing up against your crotch in public like c'mon.

[–]U-94 74 points75 points  (4 children)

Extrapolate what you learned into all areas of life. Everything is a game. You can't change the world but you can change yourself. Learn the cheat codes and excel. Find some hobbies. It's not supposed to be fun even if you do succeed. Why do you think rich and famous people still kill themselves? You're looking for something that isn't there.

[–]untonyto 23 points24 points  (2 children)

It is a goal that recedes as soon as it is attained.

[–]Parara_papapapaVeis 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Most goals are like that tbf.

[–]Sleepy_Sleeper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's why it's the journey before the destination. The most important step is always the next one.

[–]fortegould 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Good post. I didn't fully swallow until I was around 7, 8, 9's. No one believes the shit until dealing with powerful women. The horror that ensues is demoralizing

[–]ploppylumpkins 46 points47 points  (9 children)

I agree. This is the main reason why I find it strange when guys will brag about banging all these chicks with boy friends or husbands or even single girls, when everyone is just getting sloppy 2nds, 3rds, etc. what is there to boast about?

Don’t get me wrong I still want to bang a lot of these sluts, but when you think about this shit it’s really kind of gross.

[–]squareone12 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I don’t really understand the hate coming from this guy. He’s found out women have sex drives that favour attractive men? Just like men have sex drives that favour attractive women? I agree things were better in the past, most people can’t control their sexual urges, and social norms around sexual morality are needed. But really, figuring out women aren’t angels, they’re humans just like men has made him into a misogynist? Pretty sad.

[–]ceruleussky 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Exactly. The realization that everyone likes sex, not just men, is apparently the end of the world. Imagine how delusional people must actually be to have been so affected by learning the truth. If he stands by the argument that men are not meant to be monogamous, why would he not apply the same rationale to other members of the human race i.e females, and expect differently of them? I just don't see the logic.

[–]2littleblacktruck 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Good job, OP. So many posts about Step A and Step Z, but not many posts about everything inbetween. A newb might think this post is humblebrag, but those who've been through it, know it's real shit. I couldn't put that feeling and experience into words and you've done it well. Thanks.

[–]warthundersfw 50 points51 points  (10 children)

+1 on the children black pill. Hell I was at the bank and these two high school sisters, probably 14 and 16 were ... I would describe it as a show in front of me. Talking about their height , hugging, doing little dances, exaggerated voices and movements to draw attention, getting close enough to feel their heat and smell their scent.. and I’m 100% still waiting in line . The mom was there too so she was in on it and totally okay. Even moms will whore it their daughters to get them a quality man.

Other things are 12 year old girls in crowds randomly leaning on you as if she’s a girlfriend . Wtf

[–]Dawaggon 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Weirdest shit that ever happened to me was that kind of thing with the 12ish year old. Granted I'm 21 so it would be even worse for older dudes

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Do you guys have a pretty boy face? I get IOIs and even hit on by women 18-30, but almost never from younger girls, especially below 15

[–]warthundersfw 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have masculine features but I’ve been described as pretty to look at.

[–]PeterPansSyndrome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For me this is shocking, but no so shocking at the same time. When I was 12/13 me and my friends were fantasizing about kissing our female teachers,5-15 years our senior. In high school it was even worse, we'd talk all the time about the things we'd do to them.

Hell a few girls I went to high school with had 20-something boyfriends and ended up pregnant junior year. Shit is wild man.

[–]FestiveSlaad 131 points132 points  (27 children)

Aye another heathcliff story

[–]1jb_trp 165 points166 points  (25 children)

Just another self-masterbatory rant that reads like RP fanfiction.

You don't need five-thousand words to tell guys that there are no shortcuts to success or "hacks" to getting what you want out of life:

tl;dr Stop making excuses. Fix the things in your life that need fixing (diet, fitness, grooming, confidence, finances, whatever, etc.) and women will be more interested in you. Many of them will let you bang them on the first date, and will even do all those things you saw in the porn clips. Just don't marry any of them. You're welcome.

[–]illusiveab 61 points62 points  (0 children)

But he has his own subreddit

[–]Kindredvodka 50 points51 points  (8 children)

Thats what I didn't like about this post. I could not quite articulate it but now that I saw this comment the post sounds like a fucking 5 dollar self help seminar or those dudes who post pickup videos on youtube swearing it works. I don't care the guy supposedly jumped 5 points, which sounds suspiciously over or undersold, it just all sounds like feel good fiction. It sounds like someone will read this and say hey if I do A and B I will smash all the puss and EVERY girl will find me attractive. All the while it has an undertone of trying to undermine redpill teachings and lessons. "I'm a sex god and now its boring, turn back now young padawan" really? Gtfo with that horseshit.

Also if 5 is an average and this guy self described as a 3 wouldn't that basically be deformed? Definitely not a good looking face. It just sounds like this story was definitely skewed one way or the other.

[–]1jb_trp 49 points50 points  (3 children)

ProTip: On this sub take posts that meantion ratings of looks with a heavy grain of salt. Because when guys on here tell you they were gaming an "HB9" or "HB10" or whatever number they arbitrarily assign to a girl, it's often either one and/or two things:

1) They just want to post a humblebrag so that their ego can be stoked. 2) They're honestly overinflating a woman's value, putting her on a pedestal, and are in the beginning stages of oneitis.

And I can imagine telling others your own rating would be similar. "Hey, I was a 3, but I busted my ass in the gym and now I'm a solid 9." Who cares? If it works for you, great. If it doesn't, change. But we're not here to validate your looks with upvotes and adulations.

Honestly, there are two ratings people should get: Zeros and ones. Are you interested in this chick? Great. She's a one. Everything else doesn't really matter. You don't want to fuck this girl? She's a zero. Move on. Other than that... Having sex with an HB7 vs HB9 means exactly fuck-all to a bunch of strangers on the internet.

"Welcome to The Red Pill, the sub where everything's made up and the points don't matter."

Most women are 4-6 if we're looking at a bell curve. But nobody wants to post online saying that hooked up with a 5. Also, "zeros" (fat chicks, very ugly ones, etc.) don't get ratings because they would throw off the bell curve ratings of what an otherwise healthy normal looking woman should look like. And whatever guys post on this sub? Just subtract 2 points and it's probably closer to accurate. There are very, very few 8s and 9s in this world.

[–]WholesomeAwesome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what's an average girl who has a good BMI. aka all they have to do is not be fat lmao

[–]Windforce 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I gave this one a read because I saw it's from an endorsed guy, but now I am regretting it. There's nothing to be learnt from this piece, except mental masturbation, "hero progression" scheme used by fan fictions and comics etc...

No offense, but this type of writings seem to be liked by younger audience for some reason. OP uses some general body language signs for attraction and inserts some RP element, just to appeal more to this sub.

The numbers OP describes himself with must be from HIS point of view, which is in his head. It's skewed on purpose to make the whole progression seem more dramatic.

[–]Heathcliff-- 1 points1 points [recovered]

If only it was that easy bud. Sometimes, a good story teaches much better than a buzzfeed list or low effort wankpost. There are actually three posts in this one article: 1) a crash course on IOIs 2) an analysis of women's hypergamous behaviour and 3) a call to action and improvement through jealousy.

Weave them all together into a colourful, entertaining read and many guys come way much more learned and motivated.

Yet there are always lazy spergs in the comments with boring lives who refuse to believe others can have exciting ones, and they only come here to masturbate over sidebar regurgiated, easily digestible TL;DRs and rageporn. Can't make it through a 10 minute youtube video let alone a moderately long article. When was the last time you finished a book?

[–]useyourmouth 41 points42 points  (0 children)

For the lazy TLDR faggots, here's an easily digestable list:

  1. Storytelling is alpha. It's an attractive skill. Cultivate that shit.
  2. Sometimes, a man learns more from poetry than prose.

[–]conflagratorX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I doubt you were 3; you just had low self esteem. I can conclude this from:

Every time I looked in the mirror I was unimpressed, still fuck ugly and twinky, still and forever small. Yet the indicators from the outside world were undeniable.

Anyway congratulation on reaching your full potential.

[–]1212121014 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This was entertaining. Good story telling.

I'm sorry that you have found yourself in the anger phase. It's okay to feel negative about things that upset you. You might not always feel that way. But you're entitled to be angry when you're told to approach life in one way and it turns out that that's not how the world works. Hope that things get better.

[–]HobbitForest 27 points28 points  (0 children)

You’ve realized that modern society is degenerate and breeds degenerate women.

What I admire about you is that you’re disgusted by it. A lot of guys in your position would be in heaven but you’re switched on enough to realize the sad implications.

We really need white Sharia yesterday.

[–]jichangwooksabs 1 points1 points [recovered]

You know...I don't know how I ended up here, and honestly...especially with my username (which is a complete joke--please try to understand lol), you might not take me seriously, but I genuinely feel for you people.

This world is seriously messed up and shallow, and people really do suffer because of this "culture" that has been created for us.

I'd like to comment though, if it's ok.

First, at OP it probably doesn't mean much, but congratulations on putting in the work to get to where you've gotten. I'm sure it was hard work. That moment of decision that you followed through with is the first step to changing a life.

Second, I was really interested in that last part though, starting with "the sex isn't worth it." I completely agree. Personally, I think that is the answer. I think the world would be much better off if people committed to one another--if marriage was serious again and people didn't just shove off the moment life got hard or someone started to look less attractive or make less money etc... Our culture is a product of shallowness and nihilism, and the people who suffer for it right now are us.

Here is where you might completely dismiss me. Full disclosure: I am considered a conventionally attractive female. But I am, because of my faith and beliefs, a virgin. I will remain that way until marriage. Having said that, I believe that sex is--like you said, a drug, that it shouldn't be just thrown around because it's serious and people's hearts get broken. We try to act like we are all detached but the bonds that are created through sex are serious and they mess with peoples heads.

This is the thing. I think you all on this forum have valid pain. This world portrays the idea that your young years are supposed to be filled with sex and blah blah blah when in reality everything sucks, people take advantage of one another, everything is a mess and we're all poor and struggling no matter how hard we work. I can't understand from a male perspective what it feels like to live your lives, but I lived the life of an ugly duckling for most of my time growing up. I know the pain of being passed over and ignored--but by guys. I saw the guy I loved constantly choose the girl with the great body and the pretty face. I know how cruel girls can be when you aren't seen as attractive. This is why when suddenly my hormones did me a solid I never have forgotten that people deserve to be treated with kindness, not contempt.

At the end of the day, we can't control our genetics, but we can control our actions. I know I'm a story of someone who doesn't have to struggle as much anymore, but the pain of rejection never goes away. You never truly trust people--the knowledge of how shallow people can be never leaves. But I don't think everyone is shallow. I think if you are open to love, someday--it might take a long time, you will find it.

However, what changed my life is that first of all, I realized I was wasting my life being I just want to suggest that instead of stewing in bitterness that maybe...if you could just try it, I know it sounds incredibly cheesy, and it probably feels better to be angry--that you could give yourself a try. Don't be so hard on yourselves. Maybe try things like the OP like the gym. Try to find discipline and passion. People love people who are ok with themselves. One day I was making a snide comment to myself about a woman's outfit when I realized I wasn't helping anyone. My words were not only mean to her, but they were destructive to myself on some level. On that day I decided to--if I was feeling bad, instead of taking it out on people, try to find exactly one good thing about every stranger around me. It will take practice but it genuinely changes your life perspective over time.

Also, I know you might be opposed on any number of grounds, but I found a lot of solace in religion and in nature. Call it the opiate of the masses or whatever, but believing that I was loved and put here for a reason made my life so much kinder...it made me kinder to myself and to others. Going to bed, I could talk to someone who cared about me in heaven instead of feeling discontented to not be out with guys or whatever. Also, just going outside and being in nature makes life less terrible. Literally just try to get even 10 minutes of the day outside to take a walk and breathe.

Lastly, if nothing else--genetics might not have predisposed you to be Brad Pitt, but if nothing else, know that every cell in your body is trying its best to keep you alive and well. Please take care of yourselves--they're all counting on you.

I don't know if you'll all hate me or whatever, but I genuinely wish you the best.

[–]meme_poacher 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Hey man, what stretches did you do for your atp

[–]The_Phoenecian 23 points24 points  (3 children)

It's true what they say about curiosity isn't it. By nature we seek the truth, and once we reach it, we're left with nothing but cold, hard reality. The BP unicorn good-girl dream is a safety blanket, something to help us sleep at night, something to help us feel positive while toiling through the drudgery of daily life. It's the light at the end of the shit-tunnel. Enough observations of the real world, however, and you eventually shed the blanket. You realize that you were sold a lie, you get angry, you get sad, and then you accept reality. There's no going back.

What I know about women now makes me strongly consider going MGTOW. Things I've seen girlfriends do, things I've seen mothers do. The maddening thing is that they will never understand their nature, they will never acknowledge it, they will never see themselves as you see them. It's incongruent with their interests to be aware of how unethical, immoral and cruel they can be to men who love them. Even with the most intelligent girl you can find, to try to call attention to the true nature of things is akin to banging your head against the wall.

I won't go MGTOW, however, regardless of how logical and appealing it seems, because I am a man and I just have to pursue women. It's in my blood. I think many guys that say they are 'going their own way' because they just don't care about or want women are kidding themselves. Yeah, you definitely don't care. That's why you post daily misogynist memes and hateful tirades on the MGTOW subreddit. You clearly aren't obsessed with women. You clearly don't care. It's the easy way out, an excuse to not improve yourself and become desirable.

I think the solution is to just plate (wow big revelation right?). You can't get emotionally attached, despite how much girls will desperately try to make you. You can't allow yourself to be invested, because you will be let down. The most damaging thing is allowing women's actions to affect your sense of self-worth. I've been guilty of it far too many times. You're dating a girl, she does something disrespectful of you (because it's her nature, she can't help it), and you wonder: "What did I do wrong? Am I not good/tall/attractive/smart/strong enough? How can she give that dude the fuck-me eyes when I'm standing right here? How can she give her number to guys clearly hitting on her when she's in a relationship with me?" You are never the problem. She is. Take away your investment and you're safe.

[–]truecrisis 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why not just open relationship?

[–]Frontestgecko 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Excellent breakdown on the journey into becoming more aware.

I went through a similar phase but was born lucky in terms of looks and intellect. I started lifting in early highschool and I started playing with women early: I slept with my english teacher in highschool and a friend's mother in highschool and have been with many women in my teens and 20's. I even had female cousins proposition me and was engaged in all varieties of debaucheries. The level of female (and let's be honest, human) depravity really knows no bounds.

I was even engaged last year but called it off 3 months before the wedding when I found out my fiance went with her mother to swap the engagement ring I bought her for a bigger one (I learned it was because one of her friends received a $20,000 ring).

Most normal people would not believe the things that I've seen and done with women.

Playing with women is only ever really the first stage of becoming "redpill aware" and is just the first step in the ascension. The feeling of meaninglessness you get from just playing around is due to a lack of fulfillment as you feel stuck in a cycle or loop and experiences with women become a kind of routine and repeating thing.

Having said all that, I found what helped me overcome my anger and disbelief was to focus inwardly on myself and to instead take advantage of that latent energy within me and take advantage of the state of affairs of what we call "modern civilization". True power and achievement lies in mastering and having dominion over yourself and is a lifelong journey.

I would highly recommend Julius Evola to you, you can listen to Jonathan Bowden's analysis of him here:


The book I would recommend is called: "Ride the Tiger". This work examines the prototype of the human being who can give absolute meaning to his or her life in a world of dissolution and provides a powerful criticism of the idols, structures, theories, and illusions of our modern age.


[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

Heavy is the head that wears the crown. My story is not that different to yours in some ways. I was also skinny as fuck, and when I was a teenager I couldn't get laid. Then along came a friend who taught me the basics of game. Life changed dramatically. Fast forward a couple of decades and I find myself divorced and in my 40s. I m skinny, average looking but I am blessed with height (6'2") and irrational self confidence (not faking it, I really do think I am the shit). I also have status, I am a lawyer, I wear expensive suits, have a nice haircut, and I am fit for my age (not muscular) and I am ridiculously cocky. SO whilst I am no muscle Chad, I am definitely a status Chad. SO I find myself balls deep in high quality pussy on the regular. I am talking Vogue and Maxim models, HB9s from nightclubs, women with a nett worth in the tens of millions (rich daddies and one girl who made it all herself). I have most of the same stories, girls cheating on husbands and boyfriends, girls showing me text messages from their orbiters and laughing at them. Girls who just left a guys house who bought them lingerie as a present, they bring it back to my place unopened, then do a dress up show for me then fucking me while he messages to see if she has tried it on yet. Did I get mad, HELL NAWWW, I was just glad not to be the teenage 88Will88 who could not get laid at all, then I was mad. For me the world did not turn into a worse place, it was like seeing reality for the first time.

Was I disgusted? Well yes but no more disgusted than I was with the degenerate men I had to help in my job as a lawyer, no more than I hated the priests who raped my children clients, no more disgusted than I was with watching two dogs fighting. The real reason men struggle with the reality of female sexuality is because they still have women up on a pedestal, or they are still deleting the programming that has been inserted in their heads. The main reason people get angry about female nature is because of an idyllic worldview or the mistaken belief that traditional marriage was a great thing. Due to the biological hangup of wanting to know that one's partner is virtuous so the child is likely to be yours men think they can find a virtuous woman. There are no virtuous women, only women who have been scared or brainwashed into acting virtuously. We live on a ball of rock, spinning around a star in the cold dark void of space. We live on planet populated by bacteria, plants and animals. A world where life expresses itself in almost infinite ways and variations. We are not special, humans are not monogamous. Humans are not divine, they are just hairless apes who wear clothes and use technology. Accepting the world as it is, rather than as the way we wish it to be, is the first step into freedom.

[–]nixon993 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like that part from "we live on a ball of rock" till the end.

[–]conflagratorX 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I don't agree it is about putting women on pedestal. It is more about realization that modern men are simply exploited by women for sex, money, status, protection. It is about realization that women have it all while most men are just batteries for powering the matrix. Finally it is also about realization that building your castle and creating a family has been exchanged for meaningless sex (if you are in top 20%) or living in solitude if you are below. And some people are just not nihilistic and cynic enough to enjoy this.

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

  • “modern men are simply exploited”

Yes, this is the essence of TRP and The Manipulated Man (the best thing on the sidebar). Yes we are and those of us who realise this and game it to our own advantage are at the top of the shit heap. If you can plug into this reality and learn to game it, the you become a king, instead of a slave.

[–]conflagratorX 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Or you just think you are a king but in reality you still serve women hypergamous nature. It just that you switched roles from being Billy Beta to being Chad Thundercock. Of course being Chad is better than being Billy but you still serve the system and you keep it running.

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered]

What system is it that I serve?

[–]conflagratorX 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You serve women hypergamy that divides men into Chads Thundercock and Billy Betas. Taking redpill just switches you from being Billy Beta to Chad Thundercock. That's it. You still serve women hypergamy only as a different actor.

[–]Master_Elrond 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Amazing post. I'm in the middle of a similar transformation and intend on posting about it soon. I can completely vouch for everything OP said and I believe every word of this post. It's mind blowing how simply being very attractive draws everyone's eyes. Middle aged dads, all women of all ages, children even babies are hypnotized by my face. Pro tip: Train your neck every night before going to bed. Two months and you'll be the mayor of chisel city. Add two years of regular MMA training and the swagger that comes with it and it's like I've stepped into a completely different dimension.

[–]astrae_research 7 points8 points  (6 children)

How to train your neck? Please share any tips

[–]Master_Elrond 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Put your pillow to the side and lie flat on your back arms to your sides.

Start with 100 chin to chests (lift your whole head off the bed and try and touch your chin to your chest and don't let the back of your head hit the bed on the way back).

Then 100 chin to shoulders (basically looking left to right while keeping your head elevated.)

Then 100 ear to shoulders (left right, left right keeping your head elevated.)

Rest as necessary. You'll suck at first and might only be able to do 20 each, but you'll be amazed at how quickly your neck will thicken up, you'll lose the double chin and your whole face will tighten up revealing the bone structure. I skip this on days I do jiu jitsu, only do a few if I've done kickboxing but I do all 300 without resting between sets on days I don't train. Good luck brother!

[–]Zech4riah 36 points37 points  (34 children)

You are sort of an extreme case. You were really underplaying your potential.

If you are so called normal dude, you can improve your SMV scores maybe 2 notches lookwise if you do everything right but nice inspiring story for guys not reached their top tier potential.

If you are a 3, no game will get you scoring 8, 9 or 10. Maybe a fucking lucky 7 sometimes if you game 100% correctly.


And you could do another post and add only this part. This is something I resonate really strongly with:

You don’t get hit by the anger phase just once, it comes in waves. Initially when you swallow the pill, but multiple times after that. The first time you fuck a cute little thing and she treats you like a sex-god only to realise you’re actually her plate and she treats every other guy this way too. The first time you accidentally meet the kids of that woman who’s face you cum-splattered a few days before. The first time you get given an STD by that small innocent girl you met at the art gallery. Each time you’ll get the surge of rage. Why the fuck do they have to be like this? How can they ALL be like this, yet uphold the good-girl image so perfectly and sweetly? They’re all fucking whores. They’re all damn liars.

The sex isn’t worth it. After overindulging as Chad for a while it becomes boring. Meaningless. I don’t want to use these girls as fucktoys, I hate it. And even if I stopped, some other guys will use them anyway. I just wish they’d all stop being lying fucktoys period. Can’t we just have enforced monogamy again where everyone fucks only one person their whole life and sex isn’t a big fucking deal at all? Where we understand the destructive nature of sex as a drug and keep it under control?

Yes I know it’s delusional and beta of me and imma get the spergs like “still bluepill, still anger phase why r u endosrsed u retard, just deal with it enjoy the decline blab la bla” but fuck man, if you’d seen what I’ve seen you wouldn’t just be able to cope with this shit and remain a bystander, it’s sad what’s happened to our women. They’re not the enemy, they’re not something to be used and enjoyed and thrown away, they’re our sisters and mothers and daughters…“enjoy the decline” is for hedonistic, nihilist losers, faggots who assume they have no power in the world so just fucking give up trying to change it.

I became attractive to get girls, I became Chad, and the world I was inducted into horrifies me. I want out.

[–]anabolic92 48 points49 points  (19 children)

That's what I thought as well at the beginning.

He was probably just average at the start, and he also mentioned he's tall.

Put a little effort, like going to the gym and a haircut, and it's easy then.

Some people: short, bald, big unsymmetrical faces will never make it to the point of smashing even 5's.

How can you tell a guy who has been going to the gym, takes care of himself, dresses good that all he deserves is a 5 fat bitch who has never step into the gym or bothered taking care of her self?

The SMP is such an unbalanced place right now.

[–]monadyne 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Some people: short, bald, big unsymmetrical faces will never make it to the point of smashing even 5's.

You're confusing a template of reality with reality itself. According to Red Pill "best practices" that would be true. But reality is more nuanced, more bizarre, than what can be put into a philosophical manifest. I have a friend who's maybe 5'1" whose girlfriend is a former Victoria's Secret model from the Ukraine. I had a friend (now deceased) who had one withered leg as a result of childhood polio who always had smoking girlfriends. He wore a leg brace and walked with a pronounced limp. Somehow he turned that into his way of standing out against the competition!

The supreme example from among my acquaintances was my friend Tommy. He was an uneducated house painter from New Jersey-- not dumb, just uneducated. Tommy dressed like a slob. He had long thin stringy hair, and he'd push some strands up into a sort of totally ineffective comb-over (seriously.) And most importantly, Tommy was fucking ugly. About the only thing he had going for him from the checklist of attributes is that he was about six feet tall.

Tommy consistently fucked more women than anybody else I've ever know. Hot women. My friends and I would talk about it constantly. "How the fuck does he do that??? Tommy's fucking ugly! He's crude and vulgar. And he always leaves with the hottest chick -or chicks!- in the place!! What the fuck!" It wasn't until I started reading Red Pill stuff that it began to make sense to me. The *single* thing Tommy had going for him was he had absolutely supreme (and undeserved!) confidence in himself. As a result of that, he always believed he was better than any woman he'd ever meet-- so he was doing them a favor by selecting them. Somehow, women translated his lack of interest in them into, "I'll show him that I'm a desirable woman!"

So, definitely take on board and put into practice all of the great advice here, but don't turn it into dogma that can't be challenged or questioned. Don't make of it a Golden Calf that you worship.

[–]anabolic92 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ah I do not know.

Tommy had another "genetic attribute", height., as well as the creator of this post.

I do not believe anymore in "confidence gets you laid", unless the looks come with it.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Confidence most certainly gets you very, very far - but to what degree that other factors assist in this, is unknown, and can absolutely create erroneous philosophies.

[–]hakubamatata 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Anyone can make a lot of money and pay a high class prostitute. And the prostitutes are cheap compared to a wife/gf... and with a prositute you get a truely honest relationship.

Sure you may go through some hard times, but that’s what got us Microsoft, or Facebook or even Apple.

[–]anabolic92 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don't know, I feel like the experiences with high class prostitutes will not be as real as a woman real desire of being attracted to you.

I have never tried any prostitute yet, but I have experienced the second and it feels great.

I fucking kind of refuse to pay for sex. I am a male, I take care of my body (and I look fucking good), have put some effort on my career to have a great salary but my face is not attractive.

If it's just about saving money for cumming might as well just fap.

[–]hakubamatata 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well you’re not wrong there! But In the long run you’re missing out on strife more than anything else. Cumming less has a way of sharpening the mind, so it may feel hard if not brutally unfair but also conducive to other kinds of positive experiences...

If you have your mission, and you have the $$$s sorted. The women will come regardless of the looks

[–]greenlittleman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sex by itself isn't as important for your satisfaction as validation from the fact what girls want you, respect you and ready to do things for you. Your brain like when the world tells you what you awesome. And when you fuck prostitutes your brain feels what women are not attracted to you naturally and it don't like it.

[–]Iwannachokekatie 10 points11 points  (8 children)


Guys like OP underplay their looks a lot just so they can shut up the actually ugly men who get far worse results.

[–]WholesomeAwesome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mothers are proven trash 80% of the time. There's science and data. But just take the bluepill.

''they're our mothers and sisters'' is bullshit filler

[–]The_Real_Cannaman 9 points10 points  (12 children)

I call bullshit, did his chin and jaw grew? If not he still has a feminine face and he said he was getting fatter in face. That is not masculine.

[–]Zech4riah 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Depends, your chin/jaw will grow width and become more masculine after you stop growing height. Actually it happens several years after growth otherwise is finished. My jawline is noticeably wider and masculine when compared let's say 8 years back (25yo vs 33yo). Not only because of lifting but also because actual bone growth.

When you add the thicker neck to the equation, you will look more masculine.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I call it the Leo DiCaprio Effect. Dude was skinny and twiggy from head to toe for the first 2/3 of his career. Then suddenly his face started widening. Don't think it suits him, but yeah the jaw definitely looks way different than before, and it's clearly not from lifting weights -- most likely age.

[–]trppr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol dude jaw completely stops growing at 25, and the vast majority of growth well before that. Likely your muscles changed and gave a different look.

[–]The_Real_Cannaman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I stopped growing, and it is not narrow jaw but a short one, small one, i look like a simp. Reccessed chin is objectevly ugly. I also have low bf (max 12%) but my face looks super feminine (chubby) and i have double chin. Nose is also shit, but fuck it there is surgery for dat.

[–]PsychedelicDentist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The mandible stops growing around 18, but the aesthetic change is most likely due to muscular development

[–]Iwannachokekatie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

100% sure his chin just isn't prominent, not actually recessed.

[–]monadyne 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So, anybody who doesn't have a certain shape of chin and jawline *can't* attract hot women??? You believe in the model for masculinity to such a degree that any claims to the contrary must be "bullshit"??

What about baby-faced rock stars? They don't just pull HB8's and 9's, they pull tens, for fuck's sake! International supermodels!

The ideas here are guides, not Gospel. The attributes being discussed are components that may add up to how certain males establish dominance. But the one thing that actually accomplishes the task is just that: dominance. You can go into a social situation and ...based upon nothing other than attitude... establish dominance. Just by the mere belief that you have it!

[–]untonyto 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Some of the subtleties you capture so well here are becoming day to day realities for me since I recovered from fuckarounditis. Especially the bitter betas (who I'm not that much better than, but just the fact that I was once at the same level as them but I've made a miniscule step ahead of them turns their stomach) and being checked out not-so-surreptitiously by girls who a while back wouldn't look at me twice. There is no way back now, it is too late. Despite your bleak conclusions I still feel compelled to see true female nature for myself in all its notoriety.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

bro, you gotta stop hanging around unclassy women. You're letting them dictate your worldview way too much

[–]VickVaseline 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I really love reading your stuff, Heathcliff.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Yeah women have way too much power these days via the wide open sexual marketplace, degenerate morals that promote the worst in them, and go grrl oppression narratives that convince them all they’re great and have been held down forever.

There is a fucking reason women had a certain place in society in all high cultures in human history. And they must be shamed into monogamy or they will go nuts and run roughshod over civilization. Conquering their own women is like the first frontier of nature that rising, conquering men must handle. Hypergamy is very literally a force of nature. And it is one of the first they must master or they go nowhere as a civilization.

There is a reason women cheat on weaker men for chads with no shame. Schopenhauer identified this brilliantly in his essay On Women. Her ingrained biological entitlement to alpha seed has a much greater hold on her psyche than any weak societal programming to stay faithful. The societal programming must be extremely strong. That’s why “boyfriend” means nothing to them. That’s why marriage was a heavily culturally enforced historically. That’s why they stoned adultresses.

Anyway, your post highlights the black pill truth that contemporary women in the West are irrevocably corrupted and just have too much entitlement and power. I share your disgust to my core. Its a major symptom of and contributor to Kali Yuga (to match your Gita reference in the title).

[–]iknowthewhey 22 points23 points  (7 children)

It is sad to see what has happened. Birth control pill I believe has a big role to play in it. Women didn't evolve to have casual sex 5 nights a week with new guys. It absolutely destroys their self-value and ability to pair bond. They are incapable of good relationships and after a certain point categorize men into ATM's and good-looking guys that fuck them and leave.

Overindulging in sex isn't worth it and boring because you realized that your true value has nothing to do with how many women you fuck. I disagree with you that all women aren't faithful to their boyfriends. Marriage certainly doesn't work but LTR's over the span of a few years can be beneficial. While it is likely that they will all cheat eventually even if you stay on your game, you can go into the relationship having accepted that and just be ready to walk away when the time comes.

[–]Sumsar01 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Look up sperm wars. They did evolve to be whores.

[–]ThatOneDrunkUncle 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You'll likely never know when the time comes

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 57 points58 points  (33 children)

Can’t we just have enforced monogamy again

Again???? What the hell makes you think we ever had monogamy?

Women are women. Wasn't any different in the 1950's, they just pretended harder.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (3 children)

It was absolutely different in the 50s. Women were still women, but there were massive social, legal, religious, and logistical barriers to cheating that simply do not exist anymore.

Socially, communities were much tighter and getting caught would mean ostracization, a fate that most of us don’t understand because we already live pretty socially isolated lives (biggest reason for modern depression, but I digress), and shame - which has been altogether banished from our society. Actually, we still do have shame for some things. Think what would happen to you today if someone at work heard you say the N word. That’s the equivalent life destruction for cheating back then.

Legally, marriage was a contract that was taken very seriously. Divorce required cause, and adultery was one of them. A woman caught cheating could be divorced and left destitute. Good luck finding a husband when you’ve already been divorced for adultery. A life of manual labor and lonliness now awaits you.

Logistically, there was no internet. Your wife/gf would not go out drinking all night with male “friends.” There was no texting - people would have to call each other’s houses or have other ways to link up. Notice that common cheating caricatures were the milkman, the mailman, and a neighbor - basically the few men that might have access to your wife without you being there that would not raise eyebrows.

Finally, religion/morality was much more prevalent. Sure many people, maybe even most, didn’t care, but a large portion of the population took this very seriously and it would have moderated their behavior.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

A woman caught cheating could be divorced and left destitute. Good luck finding a husband when you’ve already been divorced for adultery. A life of manual labor and lonliness now awaits you.

True... I doubt this kept them faithful, but it will have put a major dampener on her excesses.

I remember the transition from "divorce is shameful" to "all men are pigs, divorcerape them immediately". Took about 20 years to complete.

Notice that common cheating caricatures were the milkman, the mailman, and a neighbor - basically the few men that might have access to your wife without you being there that would not raise eyebrows.

Very true.

[–]U-94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fiction. Every age is exactly the same. Humans are humans. We may have changed the channels in how we discuss this but back in the day, your grandma was banging the mail man. Sorry.

[–]Jon_Tren_Yin 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Not true, in the 1950's shaming was much more socially acceptable.

You can't shame anyone anymore in today's society, because everyone's "special" and "unique" and have egos which are too sensitive for any insult.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Shaming doesn't really fix anything, it just makes women be more secretive.

[–]CaptainSweno 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It increases the difficulty of having an affair. Many women are lazy enough for the increased difficulty to decrease the likelihood of the affair, even though they would otherwise. Plus with increased punishment for cheating, the benefits often cease to outweight the risk*cost of failure.

[–]ENTPunisher 1 points1 points [recovered]

It was way different. Numbers don't lie. Look at average age of marriage, fidelity rates, and numbers of sexual partners.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Look at average age of marriage, fidelity rates, and numbers of sexual partners.

Apart from the age of marriage, I'm skeptical about the self-reported numbers.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I'm with you. Mailmen, milkmen and door-to-door salesmen had their share of pussy back then.

[–]Pynewacket 3 points4 points  (0 children)

they are a cliché for a reason.

[–]ENTPunisher 1 points1 points [recovered]

Women haven't changed, no, but society has. People have moved to cities and been bombarded by cultural degeneracy from every angle.

[–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Large cities are a major part of the degeneracy because of the Dunbar number. Spot on.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I’m sure it was different tho. The notch counts and promiscuity are thru the roof now. Back then it was held in check somewhat. Yes there was a veneer hiding some bad behavior. But I bet that bad behavior was a fraction of what it is today.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Exactly. Forced monogamy is a band-aid solution. It doesn't change the underlying issue of women disliking beta traits.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It doesn't change the underlying issue of women disliking beta traits

And yet they marry them, time after time after time. Bit of duty sex, pretend it's "true love", and exploit him for the rest of his life.

I've stopped asking "why can't they just be honest" because I know the answer to that too.

Then again, women actually are pretty honest once you have established that monogamy is something that will never apply to you. Without the mealticket written across your forehead she has no motivation to lie.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah and there wasnt social media to show off your “boyfriend” but she was def fucking the neighbor while the husband was at the office

[–]Parara_papapapaVeis 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Monogamy didn't existed in the 50's, otherwise media like those would never exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku0rfx5EL0A - Girl that fucks everyone in order to be popular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID-jsd0HGZs -Run around Sue

[–]JamesP2018 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That read more like wishfulness for everyone to stop encouraging women to break their pair bonding ability down by losing their virginity and get rid of societal safeguards for emotional decision making. That women and men aren't monogamous is not the same as women and men being forced into maintaining monogamous relationships. Nurture works to a degree. In N America it works to make men weak and women ugly, it can also work towards making men strong and women pretty. Sparta as an easy example for the one. Modern Japan as an example for the other where cultural fat shaming keeps women thin and American women start losing weight soon after showing up.

[–]rpd051 8 points9 points  (1 child)

After my grandpa died, my grandma opened up about how life was like when she was young (born in 1924). Even at the ripe age of 90 years old, she started talking to her grandchildred about love, sex, and everything else that wasn't supposed to happen before she got married. She definitely confirmed that only one thing was different back then: they just pretended harder (mostly because that's what the bible told her was the right thing to do)

[–]Carefreeeee 1 points1 points [recovered]

I refuse to believe you were ever a legit '3'. Congrats on improving yourself though

[–]puredemo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A 6'0 skinny dweeb with long hair is easily a 3.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Lol I’m still trying to rock the grunge/road man hybrid.

[–]goldaxis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t you guys get tired of reading the same story over and over

[–]TreelongaLeela 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I had a similar experience in my early twenties. The come up is an interesting time. Don't get too caught up in hating women, focus on your mission and self actualization. Until you're interested in settling down, enjoy them as a pass time. I've been fortunate enough to have had some awesome relationships with great women, it's definitely added to the overall quality of my life. People talking about divorce rape sometimes fail to understand that in 2018 young, successful, good looking men can have ltrs and even marriages with women who are not only good looking but also make a good amount of money. You just need to make slightly more and be slightly higher in SMV in my experience.

I think you totally understand the concept of assuming attraction, that shit works. Do try to keep your ego a healthy size as you continue to build yourself. Not saying you shouldn't have a big ego, just try your best to empathize with the people you encounter.

Also I'm no gender studies major, but you should chill out with the homophobic slurs it's not a great look.

[–]Master_Elrond 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great comment until you ruined it with your moralizing.

[–]brownsdown 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Fuuuck dude. It’s like Stephen King describing trp. Maybe one of the best reads of my life.

[–]Fortinbrah 7 points8 points  (0 children)

TBH dude, if you weren't so committed to a mockery of interpersonal relations you might actually be able to find a path that suits your ability to discern the world around you. Let me correct that; if you didn't think that the path you were on was the only good path for having a command of the world, you might actually find something that makes you happy.

[–]memphisjohn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great post. Thanks for sharing.

[–]magx01 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Serious question (curious, not "triggered" or w/e) : Why are they whores but you're not when you're having the same sexual experiences that you are judging them for?

Anyway, good post. Well written.

[–]konspirator01 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You became attractive 2 years ago, but women are liking your pictures from 4 years ago when you were a 3. Ok.

[–]emmanuelle_poiret 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this story is either fake or the person who wrote it has a very distorted perception of reality. People (both men and women) overestimate their looks and they absolutely believe anyone who happens to quickly glance at them wants to fuck them. Pathetic.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And then you have the ones who are all sweet and innocent and demure and shy and have the perfectly cultivated family oriented social medias and aesthetic photography instagrams yet are in an uber to your place at the slightest hint of a booty call and eagerly tongue swirl your asshole while you browse reddit on your phone.

That sounds...

I have a subreddit. Link in my profile.

A personal sub you say...

I would rather you donate to me instead of buying me reddit gold, better I get the cash than reddit.

Ah...and you gymcels are buying this shit. Srsly.

[–]iLoveReddit32 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I know you are TRP endorsed, and that you have been here a long time, but can you link to some sort of proof that you back all of these claims up? I just want to know that you aren't spouting complete BS.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Imagine enabling our degenerate culture by being a male slut and fucking anything that has lips and think of yourself as a virtuous person, and not just a manwhore.

[–]187oddfuture 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can’t tell if Heath’s posts are stories he writes or real life, but I like them either way. Very insightful.

[–]Sumsar01 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I dont even care. Thumps up for Oppenheimer quote.

[–]no_its_a_subaru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn I was not ready for this today but it’s just the kick that I needed to keep going. Thanks op.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Missing two things, contents page and annotated bibliography.

[–]temerarious 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It’s when I started getting stares from the teenage girls and children, some of them quite clearly pre-teens that it started to make me feel sick. I understand that I look like I could be in one-direction or something but I was not ready for this level of blackpilling. They can’t start this early can they? When I was that age all I cared about was yugioh. Wtf are they doing staring at me? This is wrong, very wrong. Often it would make me so uncomfortable I would get off and wait for the next train.

Don't be weird. When we were pre-teens, we would stare at beautiful women too. There's nothing gross about it. If your thoughts go anywhere beyond thinking it's adorable, then you're making way too much of it.

[–]DayGameChirality 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How can they ALL be like this, yet uphold the good-girl image so perfectly and sweetly? They’re all fucking whores.

My view on this is that the society as a whole: the poor and the rich, the middle class, both men and women, the adults and the elderly, all are responsible for what is now.

See, in this sentence you prove that YOU are responsible for this revelation as well. The moment you judge someone for his nature, he/she is going to learn how to hide it well. The moment your friend(s) and family pick up on the shaming, he/she is going to learn how to hide it very well. The moment friends of friends and other communities pick up on shaming, it's when the hiding of your nature becomes the norm.

That's why I advocate no slut shaming. To guys who do this: you're making it harder for yourself and for everyone else. Because now when you want to find a woman who is chill and low n-count, you have to go through hundreds of women who will appear to be like that because of shaming standards.

And damn you if you do find one. Then if she wants to become a slut, she's going to hide it from you. She's going to waste your time. Because she knows everyone's gonna judge her.

Now for everyone else, you slut shamers are making it everything worse because now everyone have to go through dumb ASD rules and whatnot. Coz for a woman, what if this guy is going to spread the word she's a whore? Now her fucking reputation is ruined.

I'm not defending women. It is what it is, amoral and just our nature. Everyone loves to fuck.

We brought it upon ourselves. We take part in it. We suffer the consequences.

Can’t we just have enforced monogamy again where everyone fucks only one person their whole life and sex isn’t a big fucking deal at all?

Nope, because [http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2012/12/09/entire-monogamy-debate-summarized/(monogamy doesn't work.) You want to ignore human nature and believe enforcing something works. Guess what, it doesn't and hasn't worked ever. Every society, every rule that was against human nature not only failed (people were doing it anyway), but has also eventually been revoked. If something works, it works and the effects are seen very clearly. If something doesn't work, people either don't obey it or eventually get fed up with it and change it (like with monogamy). This thought is Disney. If you want sex not to be a big deal at all, then monogamy is the reaction to exact opposite thinking. Are you saying that you want to enforce people to fuck only one person their whole life and your reason is "sex isn't a big fucking deal at all"? Please. That's delusional.

[–]greyseal494 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Competently written fiction.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Good read, this post verbalizes what "exactly" the anger phase is that we all go thru.

It sucks that we all have to experience first hand how women can't be loyal, but that's just part of growing up and taking the RP, similar to learning Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny never existed.

The first time you fuck a cute little thing and she treats you like a sex-god only to realise you’re actually her plate and she treats every other guy this way too.

This hits close to home.

[–]1Original_Dankster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The sex isn’t worth it. After overindulging as Chad for a while it becomes boring. Meaningless. I don’t want to use these girls as fucktoys, I hate it.

I have said for years - there are two exits from being a plate-spinning Red Pill Man:

  1. (Partial) Beta Reversion, though admittedly they'll just wife up a hotter broad than they would have before TRP; or

  2. MGTOW, which thoroughly disproves the ridiculous premise that all MGTOW are incels.

[–]Jkarl1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are the captain of your ship, which has set sail to conquer a voyage on your purpose in life, when you encounter a siren trying to sway your ship into the dangerous pass, will you allow your ship To deviate from its true course? Will your purpose and mission be sacrificed for the lesser, impulsive, Good? If so, what consequences are you ready to bear due to this deviation? You are a man on a mission and through trials and tribulations will your strength be tested? Will this siren break you or can you stay the course and not be swayed by its intentions? This is a test of your strength. Maybe you have deviated and found yourself in peril? Can you escape this travesty? Can you embolden your ship and crew and sail through the treacherous pass and gain strength from your loss? Or will your ship remain broken on the rocks of abandon? This is a test for you, for your dignity and strength in life. Be swept away though falsehoods and fantasy or face reality and burden the strength to carry forward your mission and grow ever stronger to escape the call of the siren.

[–]ArcanoBot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Read your whole write up.

I find it extremely hard to believe though. Especially as I am so red pilled. I think you gotta change the types of girls you after man.

All the girls I’m friends are immediately repulsed by cheating. I can honestly feel their vaginas dry up at the mention of it.

There are girls that are heartless like you say, but where primarily are you meeting these girls? Meet girls in places that actually prove they have some real values.

Meet girls in clubbing, festivals, etc. they have terrible values. They are there for a reason. That’s the truth.

Meet girls clubs that better themselves like book clubs and stuff and you will find a quality gal.

TLDR; you are messing with the wrong girls SRS.

EDIT: Some girls actually live with you based entirely on your status once you lose it, she’s gone for good.

There is another camp of girls that stay with you even if you are in deadbeat situation. Look at Connor Mcgregor’s wife or any spouse that supports a man with actual ambition even if they haven’t succeeded yet.

[–]Blekpill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Post a before and after pic and i’ll Believe you.

[–]MarcosDomingues 15 points16 points  (4 children)

"It's been a year at this point and I can finally squat my bodyweight for 5x5"

Stopped reading there.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lol it’s a good post overall, you should finish reading it— but yeah I read that part and thought what a puss

[–]throwawayclarkken 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Have an upvote for quoting bhagwad gita

[–]UnrealKnite 1 points1 points [recovered]

what type of food do you eat to actually get gains to show in addition to working out? I cut down on fast food to once a week. I eat grapes or granola bars as snacks and I always have kiwi, toast, or eggs + coffee for breakfast.

[–]viral_left_stroke 5 points6 points  (2 children)

When I cut out sugar I actually lost a little weight but almost immediately my gym bros were complementing me on new gains, take that for what it's worth.

[–]chriscobal 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Meat, whole eggs, white rice, potatoes, pasta, lots of fruit and veggies. Aim for at least body weight (in lbs.) x 15 for daily calories. Protein should be 30-40% of your calories. The remaining 60-70% is split between carbs and fat. On days you lift, try to get more calories from carbs than fat. On days you don't lift, try to get more calories from fat than carbs. One day a week, eat 500-1000 more calories than you normally would.

It's way more complicated, but this should be enough to get you started. Pay attention to your body and how it responds, and figure it out. Good luck!

[–]Tarmyniatur 4 points5 points  (1 child)

And where does 150g of protein come from?

[–]chriscobal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

150g of protein is about a pound and a half of lean meat. Or, two dozen whole XL eggs. Proten shakes as well.

[–]hakubamatata 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cut the fast food to ZERO a week, jeezus Christ, find your pleasure elsewhere

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All you come off as here is pathetic. Stop looking for meaning in debauchery and start going to a traditional Catholic Mass. Otherwise you have no right to bitch, because you achieved what you sought.

[–]1skittles_man 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Great post, man. I can tell that you’re a real fucking G and we would be bros IRL.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You still have a recessed chin and boyish features though, unless you grew a beard I cant see how you can be more than 7/10

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I agree with you. Even if this is not Lookism, I feel the need to say that to be a 9/10 a strong jaw and chin is a must. Also it’s impossible to go from 3/10 to a 9/10. If you are a 3/10 it means you’re not genetically gifted, therefore you can reach a maximum of about 6/10 if you looksmax completely

[–]AceMav21 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s a long ass post bruh. Just keep some Day after pills in your wallet.

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