Red Pill ExampleThe founding post (self.TheRedPill)

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Thanks to the Daily Beast, this is largely lost to the anals of time [kek]. and you can tell a lot of the posters (esp. the newer) are falling for the same shitty answeres that drove people to creating this place in the first place.

So for your information, the first post describing the purpose of the subreddit. (emphasis's mine)

I'm going to discuss briefly what my intention is for this subreddit.

I'm Desmond, and I've been active in both the Men's Rights and the Seduction subreddits. They're both wildly popular subs, but both have major failings that I've slowly identified. They both operate subtly under the feminist imperative. Group-think at both tend to fail to grok the importance of coming to terms with objective reality - something the manosphere has termed "taking the red pill."

I haven't seen serious discussion on sexual strategy that goes beyond the pickup.

We've heard the common trope in many men's subreddits: "Not all women are like that"

That's true. Don't get me wrong. But something it undermines is honest discussion about evolutionary psychology, and society in terms of what a sexual life is like for a man.

"How is that?" I hear you ask. It's simple. Let's describe a problem. Let's say, for example, When I shower my girlfriend with gifts, she breaks up with me or cheats on me.

The men's rights approach: She was a bad egg, find a better one.

The seduction approach: You were displaying unattractive qualities, no shit she left you.

Ok, score one for seddit.

But wait- Let's say I game properly, and maintain an alpha stance, and keep my girlfriend in my frame. We eventually get married and have kids. She later divorces me and takes everything I've got.

The men's rights approach: The law is against you.

The seduction approach: She was a bad egg, find a better one. Who scores this time? I argue neither. I argue that love is the myth here- more on that later. But it's important to note, in neither scenario was there decent advice to actually move forward in my life. Both ignore the systematic issues that present themselves in relationships, they ignore the reality of psychology, the reality of the law, and the reality of men and women and their subtleties.

Both subreddits appear to still be operating within the frame that feminism put forward. That the one for you is just around the corner, and that courting can work, just so long as you find her and know game.

It's false, and disingenuous.

Let's open discussion here. Let's talk about exactly what it means to be a sexual man in the era of feminism. How do we fulfill our needs sexually? Emotionally? How do we do so without taking unnecessary risks?

In a culture where the only thing standing between you and prison is whether the last girl you fucked decides to lie about rape, these are REAL questions that I think are being ignored. Welcome.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 318 points319 points  (14 children)

In a culture where the only thing standing between you and prison is whether the last girl you fucked decides to lie about rape

This one hits close to home. Recently a plate went berserk and began sending anonymous messages to my home and even other women she felt were her competition. Grade A stalker type shit. Had to get authorities involved to make sure nobody ended up dead or in prison.

This was no onetime fling with a skank. It was literally an established woman in the community throwing all caution and reasonablilty out the window because she can't have what she wants.

TRP works. All too well sometimes.

[–]2Overkillengine 54 points55 points  (1 child)

This was no onetime fling with a skank. It was literally an established woman in the community throwing all caution and reasonablilty out the window because she can't have what she wants.

And because she knows at a visceral level society won't hold her accountable for it unless forced to do so.

Princess throws tantrums because those have always gotten Princess what she wants before.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yes for sure this Princess fell deeply in love with me as I refused to grovel at her feet like most men. It was refreshing for her and even exciting to be treated like a plaything that could be discarded.

[–]Imadeathtrap 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I can relate: I went speed dating last week and showed more interest in date 3 than date 2 at the end of the night and date 2 went from lovely to throwing constant verbal daggers at everyone. I dont blame her for being upset and I feel a lot of guys also react badly but people need to learn to deal with being told "no" better.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Now that you understand the nature of women's competition anxiety you can exploit this for your goals

[–]Imadeathtrap 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just had 3 dates with two women today alone, got laid between date 1 and 3. You are correct.

[–]econquest 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Please write this up in detail under a separate post. We need to know, spare nothing.

Maybe do it under a new anonymous account and throw in some red herrings so anyone from real life won't think it's them

This shit is serious and we need to know what happens/WILL happen

Thanks, bro

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Still too fresh but I hear u

[–]econquest 0 points1 point  (2 children)

on the flip side it is highly likely that you might get some specific actionable suggestion you didn't think of. not to speak in cliches, there are more "jacked", more Vice President, more alpha people than you on TRP and a lot of them have had to deal with worse crazies.

so just try to be objective and you can add in the beginning your emotional state. (but don't write walls and walls of text.) a lot of people have been there. hope to see the post (under a throwaway if you want)

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I got this under control but do see what you mean and sometimes do float issues to the community for a fresh set of eyes.

[–]1ozaku7 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

How does TRP work here? No shit she goes apeshit, because you probably promised her something more and never gave her or she thought she was the only one while you were fucking other broads and she was definitely not okay with that.

There is a fine line between "This thing is for fun and nothing serious" vs making them think they have a chance of more and never giving it to them. Plenty of women I was with for nothing serious, remained friends and very few were my wing-women. Works for me.

[–]DF-RP 7 points8 points  (1 child)

No offense, but you are inserting shit into the situation that he never mentioned anything about. Psycho girls do shit like that and I've had very similar scenarios. Literally tell a woman to her face I'm not interested in them, would never in million years date them and have my sights on another person. Acts understanding on surface, but behind closed doors goes telling every girl around me that I asked her to be my girlfriend, fucked her once and then next morning dumped her. All the while stalking me everywhere and getting me invited to parties she's at. Thankfully she was a fair bit below my value and nearly no one bought her bullshit - but it really does happen.

[–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bottom line is that you have to be there to judge for yourself, but that rarely is the case in such interactions. Slowly makes you think that what AWALT makes men enraged, AMALT makes women enraged. A constant battle between sexes getting the most from the other without giving anything from themselves.

[–]red_philosopher 46 points47 points  (10 children)

In the age of rampant Hypergamy, how do men get sexually and emotionally fulfilled without taking unnecessary risks?

Work hard. Reap what you sow. Invest wisely in men and women alike. Protect yourself at all costs. Understand that to be a man, it means taking risks. Understand also, that being a man, is knowing when a risk is unwise.

[–]1ozaku7 9 points10 points  (9 children)

In the age of rampant Hypergamy

Ahum... In the age of pussified men and severe shortage of masculinity where women opt for emergency strategies to find that masculine man for the best of their offspring and their own personal wellbeing.

Welcome to the age where men are total pussies and wimps, yet feel entitled to a sexmaid taking care of their children while they can be the manbaby that the woman has to take care of in addition (mentally and emotionally weak, physically weak, ambitionless, submissive).

The men in this age are pathetic.

[–]psycho_sid 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Spot on dude. Spot fucking on. There is some hope. I moved to Ottawa and am surrounded by military families, and it seems like the army toughens men up. When I was in mtl, every second dude was a pussy.

[–]medresptech 1 points1 points [recovered]

I hope this is a joke but I can't tell. Military does not equal masculinity. The military is for insecure boys who need to prove their masculinity. There are obviously masculine men in the military but there isn't a strong correlation between military and masculinity in my opinion. Also Ottawa is a pussy city. It is probably the most feminine of all the Canadian cities (yes Montreal would be in the running too). Live up north and in my opinion you will find a lot more secure masculinity.

[–]BPasFuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're onto something here. There's no shortage of gays, even, that go into the military trying to butch themselves up.

[–]psycho_sid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was being serious. Maybe the few guys I have got to know better are among the masculine men that were always like that. I assumed the military is what de-pussyfied them. I haven't been in Ottawa long though, so I would find it hard to believe that it's more feminine than mtl. In qc, men are castrated en masse. It was sickening.

[–]Trumpsterbaby22 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

The answer to this problem is as follows: our grandfathers who allowed women and Jews the right to vote and speak are pathetic.

[–]forthegiggles1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jews? You sounds pretty intelligent....

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's people like you why I vote for abortion rights.

[–]UnleashYourLife 104 points105 points  (11 children)

Do we even have discussions on this sub?

And even if we had, what's the point? There's nothing to discuss once you get a solid grasp on the basics. The only thing left is regurgitation and echo chambering.

In the perfect world you; 1)Find 2) Learn 3) Apply 4) Leave. TRP gives you the basics, it sets you on the right track, but it doesn't teach you true mastery. And it's a good thing. If TRP gave you everything, then there would have been no incentives to go out there and experience shit.

Problems start to arise when people who can leave the nest, do not. The message gets corrupted (TRPright, Moral police etc), and is that really a good thing?

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 63 points64 points  (1 child)

The discussion comes from going out, testing the things you learn here, then coming back and sharing what happened.

Then we discuss the hows why's and what's.

So go out. Test. Return. Share. Discuss. Repeat.

[–]blackjackANDplates 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Indeed. The field reports are an extension to the whole subreddit.

[–]Kindredvodka 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I feel like we still can discuss facts. Like every single man's journey to self discovery and improvement is different and ends with a different result. No one develops alpha qualities the same, not even the same results using the same exact tactics are guaranteed. Thats why I feel like those self-masturbatory posts about "hey I lifted and bang 25 HB9s a week and you can too" are vapid and imo dont add anything to furthering theories or help. Because people will just replicate and regurgitate those things in real life and get fucking slapped and say "where did I go wrong?" But everytime someone criticizes a post like that they are a "fucking incel" and didn't get the point.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Sure, people mistake keeping shit on focus with stiffling conversation.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (3 children)

And even if we had, what's the point? There's nothing to discuss once you get a solid grasp on the basics

Yeah, definitely the case. Hard to have a discussion when it's usually someone trying to use blooper thinking to undermine central TRP tenets. I'm up for a good discussion, but it's near impossible on here. As you say - once you get the basics the rest follows through.

The problem is most simply don't want to get the basics. When you've lived your whole life "looking for the one", it's hard to let go of what a stupid fucking idea that is. Especially when all the potential "one"s are telling you that you should continue to keep looking.

The only thing left is regurgitation and echo chambering.

There's still a lot of detail to be filled in. Practical application, the changing nature of society, novel shit tests (haha just kidding - we've not had a new shit test concept in decades), detailed human understanding of human psychology [and how to operate with the new understanding].

Problems start to arise when people who can leave the nest, do not. The message gets corrupted (TRPright, Moral police etc), and is that really a good thing?

Well now, let's not start concern trolling.

Problems arise simply because people are people. All organisations have difficulty keeping people on track..... and arguably it's the job of the organisation to best represent and advance the interests of its members. Get all members to agree on this and the nature of how to do it is.... non trivial.

[–]Bearhardy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This is an anonymous message board that get's new members everyday I don't know what you guys expect, if you really have something interesting and new to say the old fucks that are still around here are probably gonna awnser you and if you really think you are hot shit go to the iirc make your point and see how they laugh at you.

Nothing screams more I'm new that complaining about the newbies or saying there is no discussion.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is an anonymous message board that get's new members everyday I don't know what you guys expect

We expect people to read the sidebar and try and understand the basics before jumping in with blooper shit that was proved to be horseshit a decade ago.

Nothing screams more I'm new that complaining about the newbies or saying there is no discussion.

Well there actually isn't much discussion.... but there are new concepts that pop up occasionally that stick.

[–]Bearhardy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All I'm saying is trp went mainstream you know how that is like

[–]thetotalpackage7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

always room for sharpening the saw. no man is a master that has nothing to learn.

[–]AmazingAstronaut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And even in the cases where you just go out test the waters and report back how do you even filter the real from the fake? Community wise we default in treating every story as true but that gives room to incels to write their own porn fantasies. "I handle her shit test and went to grab a drink and when she came back she brought together a friend and we had this threesome" yeah yeah good for you mate. We shifted from trying to impress the pussy to trying to impress the redditor.

[–]zyqkvx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP has the same problem atheists do. If you spend too much time mulling over and over the info you become a one topic encyclopedia that has no practical value. The point is removed from the information.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 81 points82 points  (10 children)


Not the sour grapes version, where you're so hopeless as a human you can't get a woman even if you have a chloroform rag and a rape van,

The version where you truly realize that you are the prize, that women and sex truly are lagging indicators of success.

They're chocolaty treats the restaurant trots out to the big spenders after they've dropped hundreds.

I have no higher branches in my vicinitiy. I have a tree service to take care of that.

Women chase me, not vice versa. I take an interest in you, you know that this is an audition to come play with the big boys for a while if you measure up.

All is recorded.

If you have to chase girls, be dependent on their whims, put up with their bullshit, fucking FEAR them then you've already lost. They have the power and the control. Because you have curled up into a little dickless ball and given it to them. You've given a grenade to a 5 year old with a god complex. WtF are you thinking?

Thanks for making yet another crater that slows my morning commute. (Jk, only plebes commute - it's a metaphor.)

Women only have as much power as we willingly hand over to them in a desperate pathetic hopeful sacrificial supplicative gambit to get some pussy.

FUCK THAT. Pussy comes to me.

Anything else and you're doing life wrong.

Successful men get fucked.

Without even asking.

What are you doing in your life where that's not your reality?

[–]Flintblood 1 point2 points  (5 children)

So your advice is β€œbe successful β€œ. Might as well add be good looking to that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 13 points14 points  (3 children)

"Be successful" should be one of your attainable high level goals if you're reading this sub.

[–]Flintblood 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I’ve been reading the sidebar and I read from this sub. I take most of the content seriously. But occasionally it seems like the advice is simply β€˜look good’ and β€˜have money’ - which doesn’t seem like transformational new knowledge.

How exactly are you defining β€œbe successful”?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That's up to you. You get to define your goals and direction of what it means to "be successful".

There are two TRP truisms That have always stuck with me. Straight from the vanguard....

TRP is a toolbox. Nothing more. It takes a man to make a plan, then decide what tools to use to build. Without a plan, the best toolbox is useless.

The world will try to get you to do what it wants. Recognize this so you can do what you want to do.

[–]Flintblood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. I can already see that my self-improvement to date is yielding results. I just have to take it to the next level, and then to power level 9000.

[–]MindFuktd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How about - take responsibility. You can always better your situation, no matter where you are at currently. It's always hard, and that's how you know it's the right thing to be doing.

[–]j_arbuckle2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have really missed this strain of MGTOW.

Incels infiltrated and pretty much destroyed what was once a profound body of philosophy.

[–]gbdoragnic 25 points26 points  (2 children)

> I'm Desmond, and I've been active in both the Men's Rights and the Seduction subreddits.

It's important to realize that the red pill is bigger than those sub, has more activity than those subs, and grows at a faster rate, as long as the red pill doesn't face censorship we always win. Our opposition thrives off of hiding pieces of the picture, lies always get exposed because deep down we all know red pill is true.

> Let's talk about exactly what it means to be a sexual man in the era of feminism.

The biggest hurdle is truly swallowing the pill, after that things go up very quickly, however I think deep down inside it takes a good real person to swallow the pill, I remember when I didn't know left from right I always accepted advice about women, I thanked people for helping me, Which is why I was so confused that anyone would reject their buddies advice, When I think about men overall I tend to see differences not special snow flake differences but real subtle differences in people, and understanding that the red pill was just the first step in my development.

I truly believe I should thank women for not accepting nice guys and guys who are in a mental slavery, I mean let's be honest how many of us would be red pill if women actually like nice guys, Women having standards sexually and choosing a guy who is real and abusive over a guy who is fake and nice. While this sub points to the greatest of men(Which it should as we never hear good things about men), it should also acknowledge that women nature protects us from ourselves, but not accepting fake and willing to work with a real person.

I think men's rights is a step in the right direction, seduction seems to be feminist based in that you get just enough Real man to attract a women, imagine how many women would stay in marriages if their beta's have a little more Masculinity, worked out, read books and did things , I think another war is brewing and this time it's far more calculated and subtle.

Men are only becoming better men for others and not themselves , I was taught that your true self was something to master though ego , your true feelings weren't important, only what you manifested , I see seduction teaching men to improve themselves and to get women with a beta mindset which will then trap them in eternal mental slavery, which Hypergamy is the only thing that will save us

Imagine if Billy bob gets some balls and start reporting chad as abusive, the next wave of feminism is scary,

* Not compromising is listed as abusive

Think about that for a second, Not compromising is now seen as abusive , also society is getting ready to just wipe out Incels, Canada wouldn't even accept them into the country, we are starting to see weak men toss aside like garbage which the justification that they are dangerous, they are so trap in their blue pill beliefs that they are lost.

> How do we fulfill our needs sexually? Emotionally? How do we do so without taking unnecessary risks?

I know this is a cardinal sin but I can only be happy in my life with a women, I know what I'm suppose to say I even told women this, and they agree with me.

It seems the new wave of bullshit is women are only there once your life is complete and she is just some extra spice, I'm not saying she is my whole life but women are very important to me at least the ones in my life, acknowledging this causes me to place high priory on being attractive , so I guess stay in shape, learn all I can and talk to many people as possible

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

We are hardwired to seek out women, that much is obvious, we can't detach from it, any more than we can maintain a healthy mental state. It's like the highlander out there, drawn to find each other, and guys retardedly assumed that meant 'there can be only one'.

I know GLO would have some reference to chopping heads and getting hit with lightning, as some sort of sexual release analogy, but I'm not that clever

[–]drty_pr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

as long as the red pill doesn't face censorship we always win

This, IMO and not a popular one at that, is why there should be some sort of filter for the incel plague.

I'm not saying remove the comment of ban them. Maybe just green users saying "stop being such a little bitch"?

[–]TunedtoPerfection 29 points30 points  (5 children)

I think the best take away from this is simply that this sub is about being a sexual man. There will be "pick up shit" and "inter game shit" they both are a part of the overall topic of being a sexual man. Try to remember that next time you completely disregard a post because "your sick of this inter game bs" or "pick up post make you cringe."

I had to learn and experiment with it all, full on asshole game does not work for me. I either come off as an elitist asshole prick that no one wants to be around or this deathly scary mountain of a serial killer. I'm 6'6" going on 230, I make little 5'2" 105lbs women nervous when I first meet them. "Negging" out the gate and bowling over them with bravado gets me no where but with my hand at the end of the night. So the hardest part for me was finding a way to soften my edge enough to be inviting to the women I found attractive without going full on BP needy little bitch (which also happened and how I ended up getting walked on by my ex for a bit before I ended that shit.)

It's a process, a multifaceted journey, don't blind yourself to 1 aspect just because you don't understand how it will help you right now.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 11 points12 points  (2 children)

simply being a sexual man.

That's what Seddit and Pick Up is about.

Here's what the red pill is about- Pk_Athiest

coming to terms with objective reality

honest discussion about evolutionary psychology, and society in terms of what a sexual life is like for a man.

Let's talk about exactly what it means to be a sexual man in the era of feminism.

Essentially it's not just "be a sexual Man" it's hows, what's, and most importantly WHY'S.

After all that, THEN "be" comes into play

It's important not to simplify, broaden, or make vague ideas that must be defined in a concrete and narrow manner

[–]gbdoragnic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your just arguing semantics at this point, he basically said the same thing you are

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 7 points8 points  (0 children)

if it wererent about the semantics the red pill wouldn't exist

[–]gbdoragnic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree, and wish more people felt this way, TRP helps a wide range of men ,we are all at different levels and experiences, sometimes a post that does nothing for me may be the world to someone else

So the hardest part for me was finding a way to soften my edge enough to be inviting to the women I found attractive without going full on BP needy little bitch

I would love to see you write something about this, asshole game seems quite attractive but is dangerous , it would be nice to see balance

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 28 points29 points  (24 children)

Men's Rights wants to change the laws without giving serious thought to the culture that created the laws. Seduction wants to get it's dick wet without serious consideration for the ideology of the dick moistener.

The Red Pill was built ground up as a rejection of degenerate female primary culture and it's ideological manifestation: Feminism.

Therefore as far as the Red Pill is concerned there is no such thing as Misogyny because that word is a product of Feminism the ideology we are rejecting. A lot of our spergies find this a bit extreme. That's fine. They're more than welcome to get their assholes creamed by Feminism just as the previous two generations.

Meanwhile we'll be here laughing our ass off being extreme.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 6 points7 points  (0 children)

MRA wants to change the rules so they dont have to work harder to compete.

[–]NeverLace 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "being extreme"? Simply rejecting feminism sounds like not putting up with equality of outcome, which i all think we should do. I also understand that you're not advocating for disallowing women to vote. So in that spectrum, what do you think is extreme?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 7 points8 points  (11 children)

Allowing women to vote leads to exactly where we are today. Why would I want that?

[–]ACanine 1 points1 points [recovered]

You're so fucking archaic. Women don't vote unilaterally along gender lines. They even share the same opinions as men! Often! You would know that if you had talked to one.

Also, today we have the most misogynist (you like that word don't you?), bigoted president that we've ever had. The woman vote led to something you should be relishing in. Learn to sing your praises a little louder next time.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 3 points4 points  (9 children)

If I'm Archaic that means your progressive and progressives don't belong here.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (8 children)

That isn't what that means at all. That means that you'd rather impose sharia law than let a woman vote. That's archaic. There's no possible way to turn that on me.

Even if you could, my presence here in any capacity doesn't draw away from your bigoted bullshit.

That's fucked up and you're wrong.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 8 points9 points  (7 children)

This is an emotional response not a well reasoned logical counter argument. Emotional Cucks don't belong here. Calling me bigoted isn't an argument.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any emotions you are perceiving are made up by yourself.

You're doing a great job of removing yourself from my argument, now answer for them if you have any fucking spine.

Trying to identify my political platform isn't an argument either.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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Additionally, individuals with special flairs are members of the community who have proven themselves to add valuable content to our forum. We want them to stay. If you try to make their participation unpleasant, you will be banned. Feel free to disagree with them, but do so with courtesy.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points  (4 children)

There's spoken and unspoken law. As a Sperg you don't understand but I will show it to you.

[–]Hailteni NaHalitenina[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I rear my ugly head out of the swamp.

Please tell me that this was written via a speach to text app while you were Uber driving.

Love it.

I'm going to hold off on the ban till /u/Whisper finishes playing with his food, but thanks for the laugh.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Are you suggesting that im incapable of grasping the difference between culture than is spoken and unspoken?

Do you just jack off all day to your own perceiving superiority on the internet? You just approach every fucking conversation like you own the thread and the only way to move forward to teach everyone what the right words to say are. IM TALKING ABOUT YOU. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME. LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR AND LEARN.

I don't want to understand anything you say.

You're a fucking troglodyte.

[–]Bearhardy 0 points1 point  (7 children)

If you want to reject feminism that's ok but TRP since it was made doesn't stand against or in favor of anything.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Your conflating your intellectual incompetence with the Red Pill.

[–]Bearhardy -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

You are trying to imposse your crusade to the whole subreddit

ps Im not agaisnt figthing feminism but I am agaisnt making it sound like it's one of this subreddit basis

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (4 children)

The red pill is a crusade against Feminism

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Wrong. The Red Pill is a discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

[–]GeneRD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Have you read the side bar? TRP is rejection of Feminism, along with the discussion of sexual strategy and positive identify for men.

I'm not saying you have to align yourself to viewpoint of TRP, but it's ridiculous to say TRP is not a crusade against feminism.

[–]Iwannachokekatie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

After reading some Evola, I can tell he really is your favorite.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Thanks. Five minutes of reading well spent. Provides a foundation that would be hard for me to know, or find.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You should see isolos first postfor MRP, not nearly as inspiring, but got the job done

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That one I remember. All the original guys comments, good read.

[–]CeremonyTree 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I wish I would have found this sub earlier. When it was a laboratory rather than a factory.

[–]GeneRD 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Same, I've been wondering if there's a newer subreddit or forum without much noise.

[–]CeremonyTree 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Let me know if you find anything.

[–]GeneRD 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Will do, let me know as well.

[–]kurdishpower01 1 points1 points [recovered]

There is 'AlreadyRed' but that sub is closed. Still good

[–]GeneRD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. There's also the "TRP top 500 archive."

What I'm looking for is a new platform where people of TRP migrated to.

[–]Hyper_Sonik 5 points6 points  (2 children)

We don't. We let the flame of feminism burn itself out until women come back around and realize they are only half.of the equation. They are riding the high.

[–]Zeparic 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The modern woman is so possesed that the possibility of them β€œcoming back around” is silly to consider. Only when men at large expose their ugly side will feminism lose its grasp on society.

[–]angelmichael1126 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Great post and I like the Robert Heinlein reference. Great book for growth and understanding.

[–]silversum1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The nerd in me wants to know what the quote is.

[–]1a_passager 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The more I read on here, the more I'm convinced that this is only a guide for a few of the steps on a grand staircase

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Don't make it any harder than it needs to he

[–]1a_passager 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'd like to make it easier, and I think knowing where the red pill fits into a man's life would help. Obviously we come here to learn sexual strategy and understand sexual dynamics. This leads to more sexual relationships and more control over ourselves. And more women. But then what? What's the step after? As an EC posted the other day: getting laid a ton isn't the endgame because that isn't happiness (my paraphrasing).

Maybe that's outside the scope of the red pill, true.

But then you ask how we should fulfill our emotional and sexual needs. Do you believe that the answer can be found here for both of those questions? Or do you think that there is a next step as well?

[–]broscientologist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Simply put, you move beyond fear. Fear of being cheated on. Fear of feeling bad or looking bad. Fear of failing.

Do what you want when you want to. Expect no les from anyone else. If a woman leaves because she wanted something then good for her. I would do the same. There is always someone bigger, better, smarter, richer, or faster. Even if you managed to stop her from meeting them, a truly weak mind would fear emotional or imaginative infidelity. You just have to let all that shit go.

[–]ApriliaSRT 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Upvoted for the kek, lok'tar friend.

[–]love-you-long-time 1 points1 points [recovered]

There's a song called "playa ass shit" by JT Money that pretty much sums up my thought process on what it means to be a "sexual man in the era of feminism".

[–]greatamericancities 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for that recommendation. This, and several other J.T.Money songs, are on YouTube and Rap Genius.

[–]VickVaseline 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, thanks, Stoney!

That founding post is pure gold.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It know it hard for people in this sub to keep a pragmatic, unbiased look of topic. But, if seduction, sexual strategy, etc are shown to be deeply rooted in biology, what makes anyone think that those biological principles are eliminated once a LTR or a marriage is established?

The ride just doesnt end. There are far deeper biological intricacies that go further from the alpha/beta reproduction strategy and the newly published one on how women cheat. After marriage and kids, other biological mechanisms come into place to try to give the offspring a better chance in life and new dynamics arise. We don't talk about them much here because one of the main messages here is simple "don't get married" (a message which I embrace). But let us be honest, theres a lot of dudes out there in unhappy marriages and unhappy long term relationships with kids not having a fucking clue on what to do.

I believe we should explore what happens in the context of sexual strategies in both genders, once children enter the equation.

[–]hexlich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

feminism is marxism, which is based on conflict of x and y, fill it depending on situation, + system is constructed that way, u cant ignore it. if u think u can be free of all societys standards or behaviors youre wrong, even if u manage to set yourself free, u interact with women that is somehow influance but it and u cant prove or disprove that, its sort of game theory or prisioner dilema, if u are rational u cant fully trust other person cuz it has very high possible consequences, so u must have it in mind, same other person, but hey there is other thing, women arent really ractional, so u are on the side with much higher chance of losing/being betrayed

mgtw and rp both got a lot of truth to them, but are not full and hard to decide between, it all depends on what u want to belive more or what is ur relation to risk

[–]ddiogenesofsinope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truly ahead of its time. Hell of an entry for a movement that has saved so many men

[–]zyqkvx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why cant someone get gold simply for bringing it here?

also, who cares about reddit gold validation. its stupid anyway

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's facetious. I'm surprised you couldn't tell.

[–]TheJedi_Lied 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the polyamorous approach is good for men who don’t want to commit but still play the field. Basically spinning plates in an easy to explain way. But that jealousy is a motherfucker and inhibits a lot of emotional fulfillment, at least for me.

Then there’s women from less westernized countries, but I have no experience with that.

As far as allegations go be careful out there boys. Hashtag youtoo?

Just my $.02.

[–]blackjackANDplates 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As an adaptation to increase the likelihood of reproduction men and women seek to change the Game that we’ve been playing for 100,000 years now. Only in our age of β€œgender enlightenment” are we so deluded as to think that prioritizing our emotion or reason above the realities our evolved instinct is spelling out for us might be a way to get intimate and reproduce. Women want to change men’s evolved sexual natures – via social constructionism, feminism, feminine-primacy – in order to reproduce with men they would naturally never have a chance breeding or pairing with, and without any burden of their own performance or merit. They want to change the Game to suit their deficits in playing it the way it is.

[–]WestyWorld 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Many of you may have seen this video regarding the universal hot crazy matrix: https://youtu.be/XuI6GTY9eVc

In this video, the creator states that β€œthere’s no such thing as a woman who is not at least a 4/10 crazy”.

I think a lot of us here on this subreddit and a lot of modern day men who have been through a couple relationships can relate to this statement.

I have dated dozens of women. Most of my relationships ended because either a) the girl decided to cheat or b) the girl went crazy in some way and I had to end it for my psychological well-being.

I think modern men face a real challenge because with the advent of social media, women now have a limitless stream of attention which often boosts their self-confidence to astronomical levels. This causes them to set high expectations for men and makes them feel entitled to go bonkers if they are not getting what they want.

And I think a lot of us are waking up and realizing that marriage is a shitty deal. What do we, as men, get from it? We exchange our freedom for some minor tax benefits. If I want to get out of it because she ends up mistreating me, it will be incredibly expensive and the odds will favor her. Sex frequency almost always goes down in marriage. Many women let themselves go both physically and emotionally after marriage. The literal only benefit I see is that it’s psychologically advantageous to raise children with a committed spouse.

I hate to say it, but a lot of relationship things were better when women needed men as providers. Unfortunately that lead to a lot of mistreatment of women. But now it is men who are being mistreated. Not outright ; but instead our mistreatment is subtle daily psychological mistreatment in the form of shit tests which attempts to gradually wear us down. It’s too subtle to deserve any sort of punishment but many of us deal with it on a day to day basis and it’s really not okay. But society is not going to do anything about it because society is not sympathetic towards men.

The only fix I’ve found is to just improve your value. The better you look, the more muscular you are, the more successful you are, the less shit you have to deal with. And that’s what this subreddit is all about.

[–]blownnnn 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Forget about dating westernized woman. They are being trained to fuck you over & ruin you for sport. Even if you slight them or play them, they get socially rewarded for emotionally raping you or stealing from you and hardly any punishment. It's basically fools gold. There are better options in the world, if your looking for something long-term. Wish it wasn't this way, but feminism and consumerism has exploited them.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

women are women the world over. This is the MGTOW version of people who worship 'eastern philosophy' as superior

[–]blownnnn -1 points0 points  (1 child)

No they ain't, women will adapt to the society and class they have to live in.

[–]Iwannachokekatie 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What am I supposed to bang native Negritos?

[–]AnyDoughnut 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The Holy Grail is a myth. Import your unicorn to the west and see how quickly she acts like any western woman.

[–]blownnnn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy Grail? If she cheats on you then she risks going back home, any girl who's left their country of origin has made it. She doesn't want to get socially shamed for cheating and going back. You'll have some control of the relationship.

[–]blackjackANDplates -1 points0 points  (0 children)

With Alpha competitors, the field has already been plowed for him by feminine social conventions, all he need do is plant the seeds. The fact that the Alpha tends to embody the masculine opposite of what he’s embraced also feeds this drive. Women aren’t attracted to the macho tough guy, they want a man who’s kind and thoughtful; a good listener. So the natural recourse is to amplify this disparity – he’s a 1950’s neanderthal throwback, he’s β€œbitter”, he’s a misogynist, he’s a child in a man’s body with a fragile ego only interested in fucking women and moving on. He’s unlike anything on women’s collective stated list of prerequisites for an acceptable male. He must be ridiculed – as all women ridicule – for his selfish hyper-masculinity.

Furthermore, the Beta needs to make the Alpha seem common, while making himself seem unique. In order to effectively AMOG an Alpha, the Beta has to show his empathy for the feminine, and she must appreciate it or it’s been all for nothing (which it usually is). Not only is this an ego preservation mechanism, but it’s also perceived as a tool for achieving the desired sexual reciprocation / appreciation he desires.