Raising a glass to a fallen brother (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 2CasaDeFranco

This week a 29-year-old aviation bag thrower stole an empty commercial plane, performed a barrel roll before crashing in an apparent suicide. Audio traffic of his conversation with flight control reveals a young man frustrated with the world, but surprisingly relatable to all of us.

Richard Russel was married, well-liked by his colleagues, and was passionate about aviation and travelling the world.

Many men express a lack of purpose, where one has no choice but to serve the machine and be extracted for their worth before they are discarded. No personal achievement. No fulfilment. No feeling of even being alive. We all suffer under the crushing weight of industrialised life

We are all Richard.

If only for a brief, beautiful moment, Richard truly lived as a free man, living Man's oldest dream, completely, utterly free.

It's important for men to identify our disposable nature in this society, but take mitigated risks towards pursuing our passions and a safe long-term and secure freedom - financially or otherwise.

Find small challenges that can be achieved through discipline and concurrently pursue broader life passions that change one's circumstances. If you are not moving forward, you are moving backwards.

Author a journal, spill out your most inner thoughts, over time these words will inspire you as you note your progress.

Reach out and create a close circle of friends who empower you, inspire you and challenge you to be the best you.

Invest time in education, sharpen the mind as well as the body. You should try to be constantly learning, expanding your knowledge; buy a Kindle or get a library pass; it's a fantastic investment for your future.

Studies show that working out, be it lifting, running, hiking in nature reduces suicide. It helps avoid old harmful habits, make new friends, and is one of the best anti-depressants out there.

Lessons Learned:

Pursue your passions above all else.

Live a life worth living.

Keep a journal.

Lift. Healthy body, healthy mind.

Talk to your friends, ask if they're okay.

If you're feeling the call of the void, speak to someone, be it a friend, a colleague, a therapist, or even a moderator here.

Blue skies and tailwinds, Skyking.

When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love. Marcus Aurelius

[–]modTheRedPike[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (4 children)

I would like to point out that it's ok to recognize the frustration of this person and how it relates to all of us, while disapproving of what he specifically did. Keep the moralizing finger holstered, please.

EDIT: Ok, I'm done with the race baiting. Knock it the fuck off. Locking this now.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 511 points512 points  (91 children)

NYT cut out audio where he said he couldn't get a job as a pilot since he was a white man (they have tough minority and feminist quotas I've heard)



"Do you think if i land this successfully, uh they'll give me a job as a Pilot?"

"Uh I think they would give you a job doing anything if you can pull this off."

"Yeah right! Nah I'm a White guy."

Meanwhile in the NYT article (google) they completely clipped out the "Nah I'm a White guy" comment from the audio.

"Do you think if i land this successfully, uh they'll give me a job as a Pilot?"

"Uh I think they would give you a job doing anything if you can pull this off."

"Yeah right!"

audio cuts.

[–]1-Fidelio- 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Fuck. I listened to a 30 minute version of this without that audio cut. Thanks for sharing this.

[–]civilizedfrog 372 points373 points  (1 child)

Even in the face of death, he gave a parting shot to affirmative action.

He is going heaven. CONFIRMED

[–]DancesWithPugs 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well-intentioned doesn't mean good idea.

"Oh hey, that minority person got a prestigious job in the face of adversity! Respect."


"They probably got that job just because they're a minority."

AA= artificial scarcity + divide and rule

[–]iLLprincipLeS 93 points94 points  (21 children)

I remember I read something related:

As if it needed saying, "The Airport Control Tower Is No Place For Racial Redress" but as The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board member Jason Riley exclaimed this week, that is exactly what the Obama administration appears to have done the Obama FAA grounded qualified candidates in the name of social justice.

The FAA seems to believe that having diverse air traffic controllers is more important than having good ones and seems unwilling to defend its hiring practices.

As Fox News reports, the FAA has for decades been one of the most trusted institutions in government and for good reason. Commercial air travel has been the safest in the world in part because of the FAA's high standards. But under the Obama administration that began to change radically without anybody paying attention.

Michael Pearson, an attorney suing the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" host Tucker Carlson that during the Obama administration, the FAA replaced the previous hiring standards with rules designed to increase diversity among air traffic controllers.

“A group within the FAA, including the human resources function within the FAA -- the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees -- determined that the workforce was too white,” Pearson told Carlson.

“They had a concerted effort through the Department of Transportation in the Obama administration to change that.”

“This is social engineering at its finest,” he added.

The Obama administration pressured the FAA to meet abstract diversity goals. Nobody bothered to explain why diversity is a relevant criterion for air traffic controllers. No one will explain it now.

Fox News reports that, starting in 2014, the FAA added a biographical questionnaire to the application process. Applicants with a lower aptitude in science got preference over applicants who had scored excellent in science. Applicants who had been unemployed for the previous three years got more points than licensed pilots got. In other words, the FAA actively searched for unqualified air traffic controllers.

[–][deleted] 147 points148 points  (19 children)

determined that the workforce was too white

"Too white" is always what "more diversity needed" means. No one calls Japan too Asian, Haiti too black, and Mexico too Hispanic.

[–]phD_in_Random 47 points48 points  (2 children)

damn Scots! They ruined Scotland!

[–]tallwheel 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Well, none of the true Scots I know are like that...

[–]mrpakalupapito007 1 points1 points [recovered]

And America should just be American. Race-blind not biased, sadly not the case

[–]Seamanteries 1 point2 points  (13 children)

Except America is a race, so is Europe, China, Iraq, India, Mexico.

Spez: No responses just downvotes.

I wonder if importing a billion Chinese into America would make it America still? (No.)

[–]Dickinson_Burns 15 points16 points  (1 child)

You should see Australia, capital of importing foreigners.

Little to no aussie identity left under all these colours for better or worse

[–]DownyGall 11 points12 points  (10 children)

I'm with ya. Americans are an amalgamation of Europeans.

[–]Lightning14 11 points12 points  (9 children)

And what about the Native Americans/Mexicans that were here before European settlers? Not to mention all of the slaves brought here. Their descendents are just as American as anyone with the role they played in the formation and development of our nation.

It's ignorant to equate "American" to being strictly of European descent. I grew up in a part of Los Angeles full of 2nd generation immigrants from Iran, Korea, China, Armenia, Philippines, and many other places. I don't see those people as any less American than myself even though I am 100% of European descent tracing immigrant roots to pre-American Revolution New England on one side and 1800s New York on the other. Culturally they would not fit in where their parents emigrated from like they do here - where they were born and raised and produce and consume. They are culturally American.

[–]DownyGall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Natives that were here before European settlers: Sorry! They lost! Europeans made these two continents into what they are. We fought a number of wars with them and won. They're lucky we're so nice to them. That's how the world works. The English weren't always in Britain. The Romans traveled from somewhere else to settle. The Greeks used to control Asia Minor and the Romans North Africa and the western part of the Middle East. Just as I don't expect Turkey to just give back Constantinople to the Greeks, the Natives should not expect to get anything without fighting.

Before the 1965 Immigration Act, American meant being of strictly European descent. Yes, slaves were obviously here, but they were never meant to stay. Many of the Founding Fathers did not believe that blacks and whites could stay in the same country together. Judging by the way the country and your multicultural hell hole of Los Angeles still has racial strife, maybe they were right. I actually don't have a problem with immigrants from other countries like Iran, Korea, China. My problem is when they became such a significant part of the population. A little variety can be good, but the supermajority of the United States should be European. It is a European country. The colonies were settled by a number of European countries, mainly the English, but also the Dutch, Irish, Swedes, Germans, and Spanish. America has always been a European-diverse country. It was only after the 1965 Immigration Act, which was a bill of goods, that the demographic makeup of the country began to change. It was done on false pretenses and without the consent of the population.

[–]Seamanteries 1 point2 points  (6 children)

strictly of European descent

Oh really, so tell me, which nonWhite country (not including Asian) could rival America in all its glory?

Whites created Western Civilization.

I wonder if importing a billion Chinese into America would make it America still? (No.)

[–]Lightning14 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Blacks were the backbone of America's early money crop boom of cotton and coffee

Chinese immigrants provide a lot of the labor to build the railroad.

Mexicans provided much of the labor for our booming argicultural industry.

Industry and mass production of factories was bolstered by cheap immigrant labor living in crowded dirty city conditions.

Our software and engineering force is now supplemented by immigrant labor from India and China where our own populace is not filling the demand

Do you really think America could have become and remained the economical powerhouse it is without immigration? Of course not. They are an essential component to what has made America great.

Anecdotally, I have seen at least as great a work ethic in the 1st and 2nd generation immigrants that I know than the white Americans. These people aren't just sucking resources. They are pulling their weight and contributing to our society.

[–]ChristianTroyston 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Fascinating. How come Brazil and other places in South America with numerous slave populations ever miss out on being a superpower? I mean they had black slaves once. Serious question... also you seem to think 1 rail road built america? Seriously? America is only it’s physical infrastructure? You seem to be missing the point.

[–]Seamanteries 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is why minorities vote in large for GibMeDats (Democrats)?

[–]party_dragon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Admittedly few whites want to go to Haiti, Mexico or Japan (except to fuck).

[–]turn20left 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm an air traffic controller. Affirmative action is a real thing in the FAA.

[–]UnleashTheWolf 1 points1 points [recovered]

White men are the overwhelming majority of pilots, so Richard was talking some shit.

I don't agree with censorship like that though.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 166 points167 points  (47 children)

Hence why he couldn't get in. Have you been in the job market? Diversity hires are a wall to guys getting in for many industries.

[–]UnleashTheWolf 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm an Aerospace Engineering student, and one of my friends from my course got onto the Easyjet pilot scheme program last year. In his class of 20, all of them were white men.

There is no requirement for diversity in Pilot jobs; they hire and train the guys that have the skills that they need.

[–]jimboslice29 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Not to be a dick but it’s probably a good thing that this guy didn’t land a job as a commercial pilot.

[–]TheseNthose 64 points65 points  (4 children)

Don't forget airlines aren't going to hire pilots who have suicidal tendencies, are on SSRIs, diagnosed with a depressive disorder or who "have a few screws loose".



[–]CHIPPENDALESIXNINE 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Doctors overprescribe and "suggest" those medications to nearly every person who says they're stressed out during a visit. Medication doesn't mean you've been clinically diagnosed with a depressive disorder. Look at the increased usage since the 90s. In 2014 nearly 1 in 5 people had taken the medication in the past 30 days.

The fact is these thoughts are common. You have likely had or will have them at some point in your life. Drugs are overprescribed and can make it better or worse. It's taboo to talk about, which is why we're seeing a mental health crisis, particularly in white men, who made up 7 out of every 10 suicides in the United States in 2016. If suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the U.S. and white men make up 7/10 of them, then nearly all of us are depressed, or there are major environmental factors at play.

At this rate and direction of thinking, we'll likely see an increase in suicide, an increase in antidepressant / anti-anxiety prescriptions, or an increase in both in the future. Then nobody will be qualified to pilot a plane.

[–]PonFarJarJar 1 points1 points [recovered]

nah man. he was just a victim of the PC POLICE /s

[–]Livecrazyjoe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think this is the most important fact here. People are on this I hate affirmative action bs but won't step back and realize he would have been hired because he was a nut job.

[–]and_another_dude 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Get ready to see forced diversity when you enter the workforce.

Source: Am aerospace engineer.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 34 points35 points  (13 children)

well he perceived that it was... do you think the constant media barrage of diversity above all had nothing to do with it?

Besides, I know your student experience is missing the post education stuff. just had my buddy finally leave the military, and the amount of 'no white guys' jobs he found on his search was staggering.

and this is from a guy with 15 years. military experience, an mba, family of 2 and an impeccable record as both officer and enlisted.

I can only. imagine what a 70% version of him would have to go through..

You might. even say it drove him to desperation, taking control. of the only thing he had left...

[–]UnleashTheWolf 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree that the media have a ridiculous focus on diversity, but when it comes to high skilled jobs like this, the best candidate is chosen, simple. That's the reality.

I have said what I do know of this industry specifically. Other industries I have no idea; there is definitely a big push for diversity in recent years

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 33 points34 points  (11 children)

I've seen it in finance, military, public sector,... I don't know aviation but I see the trend.

people don't need the best, they need good enough that's somewhat pleasant to work with or a virtue signal of how progressive one is.

meritocracy stopped being a thing when we took west germany

[–]mattizie 6 points7 points  (4 children)

For tech jobs and other things where the responsibility is minimal, sure.

For jobs as a pilot where not only hundreds of lives are on the line, but also millions/billions in settlements, brand reputation, and a licence to even operate... I think it's a bit different. One major crash, and the company is pretty much fucked.

But you can see it in pretty much every company: when you get a job that is crucial (board members etc), the ones that actually count and have power to make decisions are the most qualified, usually older white men. Sure you'll get a few chicks, but they're not making decisions. The drones and workers can be green haired dykes and men that have castrated themselves, as long they do the job satisfactorily, and they'll leverage that "diversity" and virtue signal out their ass; but when it comes to the big boys table: the only thing that matters is how much money you're going to make them.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Lives are on the line for the military, diversity gives no fucks about that.

As for billions in brand... Elizabeth Holmes blows that out of the water, as does marissa mayer, Ellen Pao...

need I go on to make the point?

Again, you're holding onto a meritocracy that isn't there anymore. I wish it was, but it's not.

[–]planet_caravan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Are you implying that the 3rd Reich was the last place that meritocracy existed, or the last era that America could have been considered a meritocracy?

Regardless, you should check out Dan Carlin's history podcast comparing the military of WW1 Germany vs. WW2 Germany. He makes a compelling case that Hitler's military was weaker than the Kaiser's precisely because Hitler's Germany wasn't a meritocracy. Zealous party politics often got in the way of actual military ability. For example, the commander of the Luftewaffe was so bad that Allies were actually told not to kill him if given the chance - his mistakes were more of an asset than he was a threat. Still, Hitler wouldn't demote him for political reasons. Interesting stuff.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Killing the krauts you dumbass. If you want to talk (((juice))) conspiracies, there's other EC's

[–]PMnewb 21 points22 points  (16 children)

This does not apply to the aviation industry, at all. The vast majority of pilots are white dudes. I'm friends with several airline pilots. They're all white dudes. They never had trouble finding a job. There is no "quota" system.

This guy who committed suicide was making a dark humored joke. The same way he told ATC he'd have no problem landing the plane because he "played some video games". There's no conspiracy here, so lets not make one up.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 14 points15 points  (15 children)

Who said conspiracy? I'm talking trends across industries. Corporate signalling isn't about Dr Strangelove in the warroom

[–]PMnewb 17 points18 points  (14 children)

Just because diversity hiring is a trend in other industries doesn't mean you should suggest it's what kept him from following his dreams ("Hence why he couldn't get in." in your words).

The guy didn't become a pilot because becoming a pilot is difficult and expensive. There is no need to spin a narrative about him being held down by diversity quotas, when you have people in the thread telling you that no such quotas exist.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 13 points14 points  (13 children)

Ask any person in the mental health space (or anyone with game in the PUA space) and they all agree, the one thing you DO NOT do is to minimize or disregard someones perceived grievances.

Whether it exists, existed for him, or doesn't exist is irrelevant. The solution is to either remove the actual grievance, or remove the influence that makes people perceive it was a grievance.

It's the same argument for a conflict of interest. You aren't establishing that there is no impropriety, it's that you work to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Same here. ]Something got into this mans head a grievance only solvable by suicide, who would otherwise have all the markers of a healthy man by society standards](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/27dzrm/men_are_not_happy/) And I'm sure you think of yourself as a redpilled man, just realize, this is some blue shit you're still holding on to.

The man killed himself just to be heard, unless you want more bodies on the pile, it's best to listen, before people try larger bodycounts to up the volume

[–]HAAK1 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Do you realize you can use the same argument in support of affirmative action?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 3 points4 points  (4 children)

There's a difference, I'm advocating the best practices from a mental health perspective, not policy decisions or legislation.

I wouldn't then suggest that this guy be given a pilots license and a job because he was having a crisis. Just acknowledge what got him to where he was. People IMHO can survive all manners of bullshit, so long as they think it's consistent, predictable, and they have a chance to overcome it

[–]PMnewb 10 points11 points  (1 child)

You have literally no idea why this guy killed himself. He made a throwaway comment about not getting hired as a pilot because he was a white dude. For all we know, that could have just been a joke. The guy was joking around with ATC throughout the entire ordeal.

If you want to latch onto the idea that this guy killed himself because he thought he was downtrodden as a white man, go ahead. I doubt that was the case, but you do you.

If you want to posit that there IS some diversity quota system in the aviation industry, or that there is some sort of barrier to entry specific to white men that keeps them from becoming pilots, then that's what I'm taking issue with. Because no such quota system or barrier to entry exists.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm not positing anything. I'm saynig he had a grievance, that one shouldn't assume 'mental illness' and handwave it away, as well as divercity signalling exists in a few industries (that I know of anyways).

I'm no more certain of his motives than you seem to be certain.

[–]2Archterus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree, and this raises a very important point, suicide which is not explained away by mental illness. There is some momentum gaining behind the concept of a 'situational approach' to understanding suicide. Now of course some are the result of mental illness and this is a complex area, however others are best conceptualised as the final act of a man who is perceives himself as powerless or helpless. This is were the rising gynocentrism may be a contributing factor. The list of the causes of that powerlessness are familiar to all at TRP: biased family court, injustice with property division at divorce, workplace discrimination, the unseen 80% in the dating market etc.etc.

In Australia Qantas and Jetstar ( owned by QF) are pushing the gender equality for tech crew very hard.

[–]InconspicuousWand 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My buddy is, He’s white. And a pilot and most of his colleges are also white pilots

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hence why I'm still unemployed.

trying to get into the accounting game is tough. especially now they just hire cheap labor from overseas. it's a joke.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 45 points46 points  (5 children)

You seem to have missed the point.

Existing pilots are white men. Which is why the racial and gender quotas that are being applied to all pilots as whole require very strict affirmative action towards new entrants.

Imagine you have 100 pilots and 90 are white men. Then HR and the law says you need to diversify the workforce to be 30% female and 40% minorities. 10 of your pilots are retiring (9 white men, 1 non white male). How many of your next 10 hires will be white men? Zero. How many of the next 10? Zero.

Now apply this at national and international scales. White men cannot enter the field. Or they find some ways in less strict places, but they need to be the absolute top of the class and the odds are stacked against them to the point where their career outlook is not very good. Do you understand?

edit: noticed you've downvoted me. Why? And do you understand what I am saying?

[–]PMnewb 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This is 100%, entirely wrong. There is no "quota system" of any sort in the US Aviation industry. There is absolutely no barrier to entry for a white man to train and find employment as a pilot.

You are throwing around conjecture about an industry you know nothing about, just because you want to believe there is some anti-white-male conspiracy out there based on the final words of some scared, mentally ill man.

[–]Dyrdy_Lawx 16 points17 points  (0 children)

There is in air traffic control. Look it up.

[–]ssr402 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In the US at least the law says no such thing.

[–]global_sak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No such thing as racial or diversity quotas. Dont bring bullshit racial shit into what Richard did. There is a global shortage of pilots. He could have gotten a pilot job in many places and be paid handsomely for it if only he had the balls to keep looking, or move elsewhere. Perhaps he failed his ratings tests or did like shit so he just flunk the recruitment standards. Richard couldnt cope with his own failures and called it quits. No need to blame Hillary or Obama like a little bitch

[–]RangerBass21 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As a white male in San Francisco, the best way to get the job at the top tech companies is to put African American, female, disability on your application. If you can explain during the interview you’re also gay and transgender, instant hire. Name your salary. If you show up for the in person interview that you’re now guaranteed to get, just tell them you identify as the above. Heads would explode.

[–]WTHub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neck beards? What's that have to do with downvoting posts?

[–]1v1crown 236 points237 points  (13 children)

We are all Richard.

I am not Richard.

Pay off your loans boys, no debt = freedom.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 35 points36 points  (5 children)

Being debt free is a great start, if you can take it a step further and achieve financial independence where you don’t have to work for the sake of surviving then you’ve acheived true freedom. That’s really fucking hard though, make a good living doing something you enjoy and you’ll feel fine.

But yea point is not everyone is Richard. Are a lot of people? Sure, maybe even most but it’s up to the individual to take steps to ensure they’re not just a cog in the machine with no choice of how their life goes, also it doesn’t just apply to men, basically can apply to any adult, that’s just life. These are some important points OP didn’t include.

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

I earn more money than I could spend; whilst it has enabled me to do many things it's not a panacea. When you can do anything, one asks yourself; what do I want to do? This is the hardest question of all.

I love my vocation but at times self-actualisation is the most difficult challenge.

You may not be Richard, but all who work to survive certainly share traits that he expressed.

[–]hulk_hogans_alt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also, learn about budgeting and capital gains.

[–]MistahGustitues 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I read this in my mind a la Fight Club.

"I am not Richard. I am not Richard. I am not Richard..."

[–]Kornstar04 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Western world wants you to be Richard and will push you there. As OP says, a few points to ensure we don't have Richards end.

[–]Jscolin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree! Just spent a few months to paid off my long due credit card debt!

[–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fuck, I got debt up to my ass from graduate school. Thinking about it makes me fucking mad as hell.

[–]Bc_Land 118 points119 points  (5 children)

I'm 100% on board with helping others in times of need. We all go through hard times and we all need support and we should all be there to support others when necessary. It is out duty as men and leaders. But to approach this like he was some kind of hero is an injustice to those who stay with the struggle until they succeed. And it is a lie.

Richard did not die a free man. He was completely bound to the effects of his conditions and apparently saw no way out. Now that is truly the sad part. His action became those of a man who gave up and you cannot spin that any other way in the RP bottle.

RP is about moving from the effect side of the cause/effect equation over to the cause side. To become "at cause" for your conditions first requires accepting your part in them so that you can realize that you have, and can make other choices. You can set your own outcomes and act accordingly to produce them. If anything, this is a case that perfectly illustrates why that is necessary.

So by all means, remember Richard and mourn him. Use his story to help others understand the need to make their own decisions and take responsibility for their actions. But please don't try to glorify him for stealing someone's property to kill himself, effectively giving up on himself and everybody who he felt the need to apologize to on the audio. Think of the message that he sent to them. Don't glorify him for having nothing of enough value in his life to keep going for. Perhaps the value was there and he was too self-absorbed to either recognize or appreciate it.

This is a completely BP story and the effects it can produce, which you illustrate by your list of learning at the end of the post. And I assume all the feel-gooders will line up to to downvote this because their BP conditioning will not be able to accept the harsh truth it contains. I feel sad when I hear these things, but I refuse to glorify the weakness that caused them.

[–]SeedThrownAway 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We are all bound by nature, society, and ourselves. We are all empowered by nature, society, and ourselves.

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I will concede there is some glorification of this act as a spectacular display of self-destruction. My point was more that everyone can learn what one can do to help their friends or themselves pursue a for meaningful existence where a spectacular display of self-destruction is not considered, or that mental illness is identified and treated.

[–]_quote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn, always go to the comments for the real post...well said! I’m stealing this!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have a point. He could have quit his job and find his own purpose even if it is tough for a period. But stealing someone else property is a nono. Even so i have more respect for this dude than scums like Elliot Rodger

[–]msarn5150 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"How we face death is at least as important as how we face life."

[–]zaqwsx69 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Hey guys I worked with rich at the port of seattle and I’m a ground service agent at Horizen as he was. I don’t know how to prove this without revealing my identity but if you have any questions regarding the job or him I’ll answer it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Give us a Rich "book report".

Was he a nut?, a normie?, a powder keg? a retard? Any "not quite right" moments? Or was this "out of the blue"(into an island)?

[–]zaqwsx69 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I wanna first start off by saying I have no reason to believe he was mentally ill. When the incident happened there was a lot of names that popped into my head and his was not one of them. There really are some nut jobs at this job which is why the turnover rate is so high. But he was one of the normal ones that I could talk to and crack jokes with. This came as a surprise to every single one of us.

If you listen to the conversation he had with flight control. You could see that He was never out to hurt anyone and he was cracking jokes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that. We all have this idea in our heads that we can peg the guys that are going to snap.

This guy was just a guy that decided he had the means and motivation to plan his grand demise. So he did.

[–]spartan1337 84 points85 points  (3 children)

That loop maneuver he pulled was epic

[–]midnightreider 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Seriously. Context aside, that’s impressive

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can do a lot of shit if you don't care about your life or exceeding the max g loading on the airframe.

[–]explorer1357 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lmao it was.

[–]MMASpartan77 144 points145 points  (41 children)

I’m pretty sure Richard was mentally ill

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 91 points92 points  (2 children)

I would concur.

Russel states during the flight "I'm just that broken guy, I've got a few screws loose, I guess. I never really knew it .... until now.”

My point is that even he didn't really know.

[–]irate_killah 28 points29 points  (0 children)

"What humans describe as sane is a narrow range of behaviors" ...dammit westworld is still giving me tons of existential crises.

I think it's often easier to declare people as insane than to consider or admit that we all have our faults and quirks that could easily be construed as 'abnormal' or 'insane' by some shrink. I think it's important to embrace these things as a part of who we are and to work on them rather than accept a defeatist attitude that you're a victim. I'm not saying that that there wasn't actually something mentally wrong with him...Just my two cents

[–]1-Fidelio- 16 points17 points  (0 children)

He was analysing himself and trying to figure out why he was doing what he was doing. For me that's one of the comments that actually signalled that despite what he was doing, he was a pretty balanced guy most likely.

He made a really stupid short term decision. Because if he was thinking long term, he could have experienced the same thing multiple times legally.

It's possible that he was mentally ill, but I'm not too convinced. You don't have to be sick to do something (deeply) stupid.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Was he? Unless you are stroking out or something, when does behavior just snap like that unless there is an external motivator? Something else is a factor here, but we probably will never know what.

[–]TavolettaRossa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He spoke about watching the fuel gauge early on, I'd wager he intended to land but was unable to rationalise himself away from a worst case scenario for him if he had landed sucessfully. Arguably the potential effects of the initial stages of hypoxia (from him not being able to pressurise the cabin) turned this from a joyride into a suicide mission.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 19 points20 points  (13 children)

Insanity is a sane response to an insane world. When you say he was mentally ill, what do you diagnose?

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (17 children)

mental ilness is invention of western elites to hide the fact system is inhumane..

[–]1InscrutablePUA 79 points80 points  (4 children)

Not onboard with the conspiracy theory but generally agree. Mental illness is not a disease like a cold which is caused by a virus. Maybe what we call 'mental illness' in some forms is a natural response to an inhumane and dehumanizing world

[–]IAmBecomeCaffeine 1 points1 points [recovered]

You're actually not too far off. Check it out. TL;DW Depression could be an evolutionary defense mechanism. If one mental illness is like that, then I wouldn't be surprised if several more are.

[–]1-Fidelio- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I haven't checked it out yet, but even if it's an evolutionary defense mechanism, that doesn't necessarily mean mental illness is nonsense. I mean, allergies are a evolutionary defense mechanism and they can kill you.

I think that mental illness is a legitimate thing, but probably about 15% of those that get diagnosed with them. There's a whole business as well as politics that thrive on inflating mental illness.

[–]P4_Brotagonist 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Oh is that all it is? Damn if only we were in different times my schizophrenia would have never developed! Glad I knew that.

[–]wordsoundpower 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They would call it 'ascension'.

[–]planet_caravan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You're getting downvoted but there's a kernel of truth to what you're saying. There's real evidence that treating schizophrenia like a freak disease actually makes the symptoms worse, whereas schizophrenics in other cultures who treat the visions like spiritual experiences generally end up living happier lives and their symptoms aren't as bad.

[–]wordsoundpower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for getting it. It was taken the wrong way. Reddit has thickened my skin. It's dumb to always have to put an /s after the obvious for fear of being downvoted. What are they anyway save for a way of shutting you out of a discussion? I put 'ascension' in quotes, for crying out loud.

Thank you for actually reading the comment with open eyes.

[–]MMASpartan77 8 points9 points  (4 children)

In some cases maybe - it most cases no

[–]DroppingJailSoap 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Depression is caused by our unnnatural life. Living a good live in kature, eating healthy foods and beeing active will cure depression easily.

[–]CyranicSeer 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It's a nice idea, wishful thinking, but unfortunately a very toxic ideology in practice that denies mentally ill people the help they actually need for the sake of arguing they just need to eat more vegetables and take a walk around the neighborhood

[–]planet_caravan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The truth is somewhere in the middle. For example, suicide rates are up 30% over the last decade, according to the CDC. There's no way that's a natural phenomenon with no basis in how we live these days. Not coincidentally, this correlates perfectly with the rise of social media and smartphones, which are also demonstrably bad for you.

So I would argue that the modern lifestyle does contribute to depression and suicide. You're right that some people do need more help than that, but both can certainly be true.

[–]planet_caravan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I get what you're saying but schizophrenia, etc. is some real shit. Not all of it is nonsense to sell therapy sessions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point is - when you create broken families in broken society, everyone is sick.

[–]gbdoragnic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Broken and abused is more like it, seeing how little humanity society gives you in general but you are expected to give the world. Male suicide is considerably higher than female, but no one is asking why anymore they are just blaming blame on societal structures

[–]Arbiterjim 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Interesting mesh of brotherhood and a dark overindulgence in individualism and lack of empathy in this thread. I agree that we must be self sufficient and this guy took the easy way out, but still... should we not mourn a guy who was victim of the world we escaped? A free man can still mourn the plight of the slave.

I for one think this is a tragedy. One that I hope we can all avoid, but know that not all of us will.

[–]HIJKelemenoP 29 points30 points  (0 children)

What a fuckin way to go out.

[–]freshoutofgravitas 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of shawshank redemption. The opera music heplayed over theP.A. as well as the old librarian.
"Brooks was here"

[–]macheagle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Pilot here. Not that much older than him at all either. I will toast to the fallen brother today.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 52 points53 points  (16 children)

Simple, likeable, not very smart 30yo married guy making less than minimum wage decides to kill himself. Even in the last moments, he was concerned more about the welfare of others than his own death.

That's how deep the blue pill indoctrination runs.

His answer was to opt out. "Wasn't really planning on landing."

That was his choice.

Just a long-premeditated workerbee suicide. Nothing beautiful about that.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He did have the balls to steal the plane thought

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (6 children)

OP and you are making the same point.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Richard truly lived as a free man, living Man's oldest dream, completely, utterly free.

This is the issue I had. I disagree. Just another poor blooper caught in the grinder.

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

That was my point, you miss the entire crux of my message. It was, escape the grinder, but make sure it's not a Faustian exchange where one loses everything.

He was a simple guy but he demonstrated he could have certainly done more with his life, a few pilots I know were shocked at his ability to perform this manoeuvre.

[–]1Revo_Luzione 14 points15 points  (3 children)

The guy was broken. Word is, he was divorced or in the process of getting one. We cannot rule out cripping one-itis. God knows that kind of destruction caused me to find the red pill.

In his state of brokenness he mustered the pure courage to create one final act of beauty. His final act of courage took less than an hour, and ended, as he said, going nose down & calling it a night.

His example is that he put his life on the line for an act of courage that ended up creating an iconic event.

The true message, to me, is this: He finally decided to live life on his own terms, and to do something that only he really wanted. We can all create this, but our final flight might take 5 years or a lifetime, and our barrel roll might be mastering a difficult skill or market, creating fantastic art, literature, music, or something amazing that may not be recognized until after we're dead. No matter. Create, we must. And every act of creation may be your last. Living that way has power. Dying that way has immense power. Build your dream, create your art. Just do it on a very long timeline, unlike Beebo's all-too-short final mission.

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beautifully put.

[–]Garathon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It sure has a poetic beauty. I can very well see this being the ending scene of a well-reviewed movie.

[–]Garathon 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It sure has a poetic beauty. I can very well see this being the ending scene of a well-reviewed movie.

[–]Reformed65 34 points35 points  (0 children)

"10/10, the straight white male killed himself at the end." - Buzzfeed.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If only for a brief, beautiful moment, Richard truly lived as a free man, living Man's oldest dream, completely, utterly free.

Richard was approximately as free as Spinoza's Rock, to wit: until he hit the ground.

Live a life worth living.

Lives worth living don't generally end in desperation, Grand Theft Aircraft, and botched crash landings.

Whatever an RP man sets out to do in life, it shouldn't end this way.

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[–]MAGA177492 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I like a lot of the philosophies on this sub, but I feel that it would be unwise to glorify this man.

[–]Krigsgaldr 11 points12 points  (0 children)

[–]trele_morele 11 points12 points  (1 child)

You motherfuckers made me cry at work..

[–]Reformed65 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hello. H.R Department here. Please refrain from committing suicide on the premise in the event you feel emotionally touched by what you just saw.

Thank you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 9 points10 points  (2 children)

We are all Richard.

You got the translation wrong. Richard is a jelly donut.

So much ersatz philosophy and misplaced heroism over this guy. I feel worse for the $32 million aircraft he wasted.

Richard gained nothing, but now thousands of hard, low paying airport jobs will evermore be an even bigger pain in the ass to endure with more stringent layers of security rules, with untold thousands of man-hours wasted probably before the workers can even clock in, every day forever.

Next time you're grinding your way through airport security, why not use the copious lost time to remember Richard and ponder the choices of who becomes elevated as some kind of hero.

[–]EmotionalProblem 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yes fuck that guy he caused me an inconvenience what a selfish asshole killing himself in such a way instead of silently doing it so nobody else knew. You seem to lack empathy my friend

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Every arcane rule and tedious required procedure exists because somebody did that.

Thanks to Richard, untold millions of man-hours will be wasted under new procedures, and perfectly good people will find a higher bar to gainful employment. Every purchaser of air travel, and probably other travel modalities, will now pay more and probably find security even slower.

Go ahead though and dismiss condemning this asshole's self-indulgent grand exit as something petty like an inconvenience.

[–]Atheist_Utopia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I have an alternative perspective. People in general want to feel important. He was working as a bagage handler. In social status, that is not too far off from a waste handler.

It is very simple, he wanted to feel important, so he took the plane and crashed it without casualties apart from himself. He's being regarded as a hero for that, so I guess mission accomplished.

[–]drbldmny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

except a "waste handler" can easily make 6 figures

[–]DownyGall 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Say what you will about the pre-modern world (men were also disposable then), but at least it gave us a clear defined purpose: Fighting for The West.

[–]tuyguy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

On the one hand I agree with you. On the other, isn't it true freedom to be able to define your own purpose? I guess most men are too absent-minded to do that themselves.

[–]DownyGall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Freedom is slavery. It's not a case of absent mindedness or that the people in the past didn't have any choice. It's that there was a brotherhood you could lose yourself in and fight with. You were fighting for something.

And look what this true freedom has gotten us. Losers who chase skirt and losers who chase money. Who cares?

[–]mattizie 5 points6 points  (6 children)

You know what, I've always wanted to be the captain of a ship. I've never sailed before but I've played bloodwake before, so I think I know what I'm doing.

I think I'm going to go steal an empty cargo ship, go around in a few circles and sink it on some rocks near the coast. I can swim, but I don't really have any plans on going back to land, if I die, do you think they'll call me the Seaking

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My buddies and I planned this too... we want to be called the seamen.

[–]mattizie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was trying to work that in somehow, but couldn't find a way that didn't seem forced and went with a pokemon instead: traded humor for stupidity.

Great delivery.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (2 children)


the CF in me laughs, the Seaking is the workhorse helicopter in canada, notorious for needing 10 hours of maintenance for each hour of flight, and dropping out of the fucking sky.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The chans have a whole meme around him as the SkyKing. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sky-king-richard-russell

[–]mattizie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the article mate, it was an interesting read.

> In more recent years, the vintage helicopters have run into a series of mechanical problems, some of which forced landings in schoolyards and parking lots.

Haha. I can just picture it now; would have made the kids’ day.

[–]modTheRedPike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I laughed

[–]JP116 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At the risk of stating the obvious, this guy was deeply troubled. I am not Richard. May he find the peace he was looking for.

[–]Prophets_Prey 16 points17 points  (0 children)

He went out on his terms and took to the skies for the last time. F sky king.

[–]portofseatacgsa 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hey guys I worked with rich at the port of Seattle, and I’m also a ground service agent I don’t know how I can prove this without revealing my identity but if you guys have any questions about him or the job I’d be more then glad to answer

[–]modTheRedPike 4 points5 points  (0 children)

PM me an imgur of your badge with identifying info washed out and a date/name stamp.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read

[–]ChipsAhLoy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah I just went to flight school instead, became a pilot just fine that way.

[–]BostonPillParty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Posts like this make me remember why I love TRP.

Be it GayLubeOil’s funny yet truthful posts, or using a piece from a field report successfully in real life, there is a lot of good things in this sub.

But reminders of the empathetic struggle we are all going through fire me up like no other post on this sub. The world is changing and it’s getting tougher for men in the West. We can’t succumb to the pressure around us, no. We need to be as prepared as possible to participate in 2018, and the years to come.

RIP RR, wish you found and voluntarily ingested TRP before you decided to jack that plane...

[–]ImNotGabriel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He didn’t shoot up a school. He didn’t run around the street stabbing people. He didn’t try to make a bomb and detonate in a public place. He stole a plane and flew in the air peacefully. It’s tragic that he died in the end, yes, but it’s good that he didn’t take anyone with him.

[–]JeepAtWork 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why isn’t “get therapy” one of your suggestions?

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've updated the post.

I find that speaking to friends and family is an easier first step but a professional is absolutely great advice; especially for those without that support structure.

[–]redvelvet_oreo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Sorry my glass is not being raised to this guy. We all struggle. We all go through dark times. We all need help in some point of our lives. How you go about that is your own choice. Taken your own life IMO is the easy way out. Never Quit.

My glass goes to the people here actually trying to make a difference in their lives and the ones actually making progress.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

^ My favorite comments are from people that understand the point but don't think they do.

[–]PranksterLad 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I don't understand, am I missing something here. We are celebrating this guy like a hero. He quit - he quit on his wife, his kids, his life, his everything he had. His family and all the people he cared about. It's sad. And we celebrate it.

I don't understand.

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We mourn those so hopelessly lost that they quit on fighting the good fight. It's not a celebration of the act but the intent of the act; to disconnect from the endless loop her was in, wake, work, eat, sleep, repeat.

[–]untitled56 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Live a life of passion? That's a recipe for disaster. Passion is whatever makes you feel good in the moment. What happens when you feel bad? You crash a plane. That's what you do when you live a life of passion, basing your existence on how you feel at the moment.

What is needed is a purpose. Most people on here are nihilistic, and disregard the necessity of purpose.

As a recent redpill from blue, my purpose has been lost, and no one here is offering any suggestions on how to replace it. "Make up your own purpose," people say. "Pursue your passions," others say.

The suggestions you give, OP, aren't meaningful, nor do they provide a purpose.

[–]2CasaDeFranco[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Passion and purpose should not be mutually exclusive.

[–]free_impregnations 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Dude was a baggage slinger, he probably had all the exercise he needed. Suicidal thoughts can’t all be exercised away. Not saying don’t do it, just saying temper your expectations

[–]BlackVale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this message. Although for me finding friends and a passion is a great challenge.

[–]Skywave28[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Out of all the people who were told to do a barrel roll, he actually did it. Good on you comrade

[–]tuyguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lengthier transcript I found

Holy shit this is moving. I saw his picture everywhere but didn't know what he did.

[–]BlackFallout 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I watched the Video. And it fucken hit me hard. Eyes teared up. Same fucken age. I'm in a much better position in life. In tech school for HVAC. Looking forward to making 40$ an hour in a few years. I wanted to be a pilot when I was younger too.

[–]fischbrot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

full raw audio with subtitles CC


[–]TehJimmyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you consider pussy/relationships part of the system?Cuz i see a lot of people here with multiple plates feeling empty.

[–]Casd12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah we're all like Richard in a way, but there's a key difference that you fail to note. Instead of "giving up" and taking the easy route of becoming a victim like Richard, you can instead work hard to become the criminal.

Life is nothing but a competition with yourself to see if you'll become the criminal instead of the victim.

[–]jpc4901 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why is this being glorified?

[–]humanoid12345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone got a link to a transcript of the full audio from his dialogue with ATC?

[–]PranksterLad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do we know though that was his struggle. I don’t see any struggle from him or messages left behind?

Wife and kids left behind... I think about ending the cycle all the time. Honestly.

[–]DirtyBastard13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a waste. Yet another example of how Our failed society turns out broken men who end like this. This is another Elliot Rodgers or that guy who wanted to crash into the IRS building.

Had there been a purpose to his life or someone to point him in a healthy and productive direction perhaps these tragedies would not happen. Just goes to show that men are the disposable ones, and for what exactly?

[–]victor_knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's truly unfortunate that when a man dies the world silently celebrates simply because it's one less dick to compete against for pussy. We are our DNA.

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