Off TopicMy notes from Illimitable Men's website. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TheTrenTrannyTrain

I read all the posts on Illimitable Men's website (www.illimitablemen.com) about 9 months ago, and copied these down because I enjoyed his prose and they contained a lot of condensed TRP knowledge. I'm sharing what I copied down here, if you like them go visit Illimitable Men's page and go through his posts.

  • Dark Triad: Machiavellianism, Narcissism, Psychopathy.
  • More money means more opportunity, more opportunity means more growth. Money is the single most powerful non-sentient object in existence; it is a decimalised measurement of objective power that each and every life needs to continue to exist.
  • Women are not bound by honor, it’s an abstraction formed by men.
  • Never love women as equal, always love them in a father-daughter way.
  • Women do not care about a man’s struggles, only the results; always appear effortless.
  • A man is always truly alone, there is nobody “higher up” for you to depend upon, you’re the end of the line, in the absence of a belief in God. This is why we are so sentimental with our memories and the older and more experienced the bastard, the more sentimental he will be, harbouring what is essentially a chamber of moments where he didn’t feel quite so alone, which a part of his fiber no matter how stoic and disciplined his consciousness may be will involuntarily and vicariously draw from for comfort in the darkest of times. These memories enter through the retina and ear canal, spend some short time in the brain and then continue to weigh on the heart slowly in varying measurements of weight until one’s dying breath. Wounds heal but scars are indeed forever. Every man has a burden he must carry, none of you are exempt, not even the psychopathic, as even a psychopath has their own feelings to contend with regardless of whether they care for yours.
  • If you can imagine yourself being happy in spite of rejection, then “the power of no” becomes moot and you achieve outcome independence.
  • With women it’s not you in and of yourself that they are attracted to, it’s your masculinity (esotericism of dominance) and how that makes them feel which they find attractive.
  • Combine men’s predisposition to romanticise women with women’s Machiavellian nature and what we have is a disaster waiting to happen: a culture that brainwashes men to give in to their romantic instincts whilst dissecting and supplanting their masculinity with feminine sensibilities. These sensibilities then get mixed in with the male protector/provider instinct (masculine romanticism) in such a way as to make them hard to tell apart from one another.
  • Feminized men think they must “impress women” and try to train themselves up to become the best dancing monkeys around in the hopes they’ll get laid. The masculinised version of game is “if she doesn’t like you, next the fuck out of her.”
  • Stimulating a woman’s imagination is the single most potent talent you can learn in any context of a relationship.
  • Improper debate such as taunting and reputation smearing almost always precede proper debate.
  • Justification no matter the circumstance is seen as low value behaviour, an admission of guilt, a symptom of inferiority.
  • When one acts reasonably in the face of deleterious emotion, it is because one’s will of mind has interjected, not because logic has won the psychological tug-of-war.
  • Rationalisation is not typically an honest attempt to explain the intricacies of a situation via limited powers of observation and introspection, but more so a manifestation of sophistry to protect one’s reputation or ego.
  • Women prefer to satiate their feelings whilst men prefer to make conscious, cost-benefit driven decisions.
  • Woman’s love is extremely conditional, because unlike man’s it is parasitic rather than sacrificial.
  • There is a hierarchy of love that trickles down. Man sacrifices for woman, and woman, for child. Rarely does the river flow upward.
  • The more man sacrifices for a woman, the more likely he is to fall in love with his investment. The more a woman sacrifices for man absent of animal lust, the more repulsion she feels for him, interpreting her need for investment as a shortcoming on his part.
  • A lack of tribe promotes these qualities (Machiavellianism and narcissism), as maladaptive qualities aid survival in the absence of cooperation and loyalty.
  • When you meet a person you should try to ascertain whether they’re predisposed to altruism or sadism. Once you know this, you will be able to deduce whether they will betray you because it brings them pleasure, or would betray only if it were a last resort – eg: as a means to survive.
  • The consequences of timidity are generally far worse than the consequences of boldness. Boldness pays, timidity costs.
  • Rather than striving to be better than she is, womankind has become competent in pretending she need not be better because she already is what she isn’t – better.
  • Don’t assign any real value to what a woman says when she speaks of morals or loyalty or other such topics.
  • To be average is to be a loser.
  • Maintain momentum, being inert is the worst; it’s a first class ticket to misery, and that’s exactly what most people are – miserable.
  • Man is forced to realise he will never again be loved so profusely, for the boy gets his fill, but man loves the most to be loved the least. The profundity of maternal love is longed for, but forever gone.
  • Marriage is the only legal contract in existence that permits a person to violate contractual terms and then subsequently penalise the party who upheld said terms.
  • Money is more important than women. Chase money, not women. You are more likely to get women chasing money than you are to get money chasing women.
  • Men control an interaction by being non-reactive. Women control an interaction by being hyper-emotional.
  • A man’s manhood is deduced from the likeability of his actions, a woman’s womanhood is simply assumed by merit of her age.
  • Leverage her emotions, change them so that they are conducive to rather than defiant of your goals. Know how to make her feel good, and her agreement will be yours.
  • Women conflate histrionics with characteristic depth, because to women, depth is defined by interweaving hues of diverse emotional experience and how they relate to one another rather than an understanding of the abstract.
  • The distinction between introspection and solipsism lies in that introspection assumes the external world is the root, attempting to understand where the individual fits in relation to said world. Solipsism assumes the individual is the root, and attempts to understand how the external world fits in with relation to the self. “What I think” becomes “I think that made me feel because…”
  • Education neither imbues a woman with reason nor surgically eviscerates her vapidity. The educated woman is just as vapid as the uneducated, for vapidity is symptomatic of solipsism.
  • Education does not give the unreasonable, reason, or the unintellectual, intellect.
  • Simply put, in matters of the mind – education does not make women more like men; it imbues neither additional reason nor curiosity, only knowledge.
  • AWALT presupposes that women are collectively governed by a set of underlying principles which drives their behaviour. For example, hypergamy, solipsism, Machiavellianism and immaturity are principles which make up the AWALT umbrella.
  • In spite of this realization (AWALT), you have to make a commitment to your happiness and make the best out of the flawed creatures that are women. If you can’t or won’t do that, you’re going to go your own way and prove nature right: you need illusions to see women as investable.
  • Do not trust those who overwhelm you with questions. They may simply be very curious, but it is more likely they are searching for dents in your armour. The line between curiosity and interrogation is thin, and people do not wear uniforms.
  • I don’t respect women simply for being women, they have to earn my respect with good character. Cultivating a pleasing appearance earns lust, not respect. Most women don’t realise this, because beauty is power and feminism encourages narcissism, modern women believe they’re entitled to respect merely by merit of being female, doubly so if they’re attractive – this is not so.
  • When a man has no mission other than to meet the needs of his woman, rest assured the woman in question will seek a man with a mission of his own. You see, women are so clueless and out of touch with what’s really good for them, that left to lead they will ruin every relationship with every man they ever have.
  • A man who arches his back to enable a woman to step onto it and climb higher, creates a woman who will look down on him once her ascension has been realised. The naive, romantic man expecting to have his loyalty honoured will extend his hand from below, clasping at the heel of her shoe in expectation she will reward his efforts – but she will not. She will kick him down, and scoff with nothing but disgust for what she views as inferior neediness.
  • Yes, women have entered highly prestigious professions such as medicine and law, but do the majority of women make major contributions to their fields, or do they just teach and practice the work of men who came before them, rather than endeavouring to truly excel in, innovate and push the boundaries of their chosen disciplines?
  • Women trust their emotions far too much, they act on their emotions almost entirely without restraint, and often fail to question, analyse, check and hold their emotions to account.
  • Losers consume, winners produce.
  • If someone is expecting instant quick and effortless change, I already know they’re a loser. That’s not how life works. Marketing targets losers with bullshit promises of “easy, instant results” because it plays to the fantasy that greatness isn’t a matter of skill and dedication, but rather something that is monopolised and can be bought. It cannot, and this is false.
  • Reality is politically incorrect, winners embrace this, losers don’t; sensibility is an expensive prison. Sensitive people tell you one thing straight from the get go without even intending to: they’re losers. Avoid sensitive people, not only do you have to waste energy watching what you do and don’t say, but seeing as they’re losers they have less to offer you.
  • When someone attempts to undermine rather than refute you, they’re the enemy. Refutations are logical retorts, undermining is interrelational violence.
  • In social matters, people do not reward he who is most logical, but rather he who is most impressive.
  • Cunning and rhetoric almost always triumph over logic, fact and statistic in matters of persuasion.
  • Simply put, women lack self-awareness, they tend to deny their shortcomings rather than fix them, and this is why there is a substantial lack of bodies in the women’s online self-improvement community.
  • If you talk about the general nature of women to a woman, but you do not distinguish between her and “most women”, she will almost always lump herself in with “most women” and fail to make the distinction between herself and women as a whole. This leads her to constantly miss the forest for trees, stating that “she was in a similar situation and she was never like that” when you generalise her sex.
  • Women are in a position of neediness, and yet they cannot fully trust men to give them what they need, so they manipulate men in order to give them what they want, but then resent the men who fall prey to such devices. This phenomenon alone should explain to you the mental hell women occupy, and explain much of their external craziness.
  • A woman’s charm comes from her happiness, a man’s, from his confidence. An inconsolable woman’s as unattractive as a timid man.
  • Men must earn value, women must preserve it. It is because of this very reason a woman’s age is taboo whilst a man’s is not. The passage of time fares man better than woman.
  • Men manipulate nature, women manipulate men.
  • In matters of women, entitlement and worthiness is a matter of false equivalence; her level of entitlement almost always exceeds what she is worth.
  • A woman’s uppity moral facade is no more than a shaming mechanism designed to manipulate men into deference. Be shameless in your convictions, lest you allow her to co-opt you with guilt.
  • In relationships, an alpha male will give false opportunities for exercising power (like picking curtain colours) whilst subjugating firmly when needed. The feminine ego necessitates an illusion of inconsequential power.
  • A successful man is a man who makes something of himself, whereas a successful woman is a woman who manages to secure said man.
  • A woman is a burden posing as partner, many a man expects a partner, but what he almost always gets is a dependent.
  • From a solipsistic frame of reference, she is not “a real woman” should she remain single and childless beyond her peak years, and so by her own standards a man unaccomplished in this way is equally unactualised; such is the folly of women holding men to feminine standards of achievement.
  • The quality of time is determined by three core factors: vision, energy and focus. Absent energy a man cannot act, absent vision he cannot strive, and absent focus he cannot actualise.
  • People’s assumptions normally stem from the opinions they hold of themselves, the more emotional the individual, the more likely they are projecting.
  • Be humble in success and egotistical in struggle, for ego is attractive in struggle, but redundant in achievement.
  • One must note women’s unconditional loyalty to authority. She is obedient in much the way a child is, and it is this obedience which makes her prone to foolishness.
  • Where the typical woman is manipulating in relationships but manipulable in matters of reality, the average man is manipulable in relationships and more finely astute of the abstract.
  • Man’s most foolish visceralism is his propensity to conflate the beautiful with the virtuous, for in doing so, he invariably sees woman for who he’d like her to be rather than for who she is. It is this flaw of instinct in which man perceives virtue as an attendant characteristic of beauty that he inflicts on himself the self-detriment of intersexual naivety.
  • A man acts upon, he is not acted upon, therefore if he wants, he does, he does not wait, he proceeds. A woman is the opposite.
  • It is her nature to be dissatisfied with her station, and where she has little or zero problem, she will manufacture and amplify purely so she may enjoy the catharsis of complaining and all its attendant attention.
  • Simply put, women covet the respect exclusive to men, but do not understand that the respect men receive is a substitute for the care they do not. That is, society does not fundamentally care for those it respects, in much the way it does not look to guidance from those under its care.

[–]Coroshi 188 points189 points  (9 children)

Marriage is the only legal contract in existence that permits a person to violate contractual terms and then subsequently penalize the party who upheld said terms.

This is ... beautiful. Something very refreshing about reading this sentence, like drinking a cold beer on a hot summer afternoon.

[–]TheYekke 8 points9 points  (1 child)

More like a sun burn in a place only you can see it but cannot avoid feeling with every move..

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Only if you're married ;)

[–]epicpoop 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I did not get it, can you explain it to me ? (Might be because I m not a native english speaker)

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Man and woman get married, signed a contract to uphold the marriage. But woman can renege on it, and through no fault of his own, the man is punished with alimony.

How fair do you think the current marriage law is?

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Depends on the culture of where you are married. Very true statement for Western cultures, not quite the same for Eastern.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Hope this western virus don't reach the east.

[–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simple terms: marriage is the only agreement where a woman can back away (get divorced) and the man (who did nothing wrong but follow the rules) will get punished for it.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 64 points65 points  (15 children)

/u/Illimitableman was vital to my transformation and understanding of the world, his Monk Mode post is simply life changing, along with his book recommendations.

Thanks for the maxims.

[–]BostonPillParty 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Best Monk Mode guide out there

[–]Laconique 4 points5 points  (10 children)

Do you have a link for the monk mode post? I'm new to reddit.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 5 points6 points  (9 children)

[–]PranksterLad 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Thanks man, just reading it now actually before you replied. Any advice for Monk Mode, anything else I should combine with it?

[–]Arabian_Wolf 5 points6 points  (7 children)

• During the period of Monk Mode, you need to:

Cut down on unneeded, casual socialization.

Read as many books as you can, one at a time.

Exercise, any exercise you like, something you can continue for the rest of your life, for me it’s swimming, it could be something else for you.

Every 2 weeks, cut off a bad habit like: watching TV shows/netflix/anime/porn etc, eating processed sugar, even listening to music, I bet your dopamine is skyhigh just like the case in most people living in big cities in developed countries This Part Should Be Your Main Empathize, I’m a believer that in order to improve your life, it’s better to cutoff bad habits rather than introducing good habits.

Focus on your studies/career, make the best out of it.

Anything you think it’s a priority and you procrastinated it.

[–]PranksterLad 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I just read the guide, I understand the importance of isolation, I do, but I feel like some people or maybe myself will use it an excuse to not talk to girls or other people because, oh I need to be by myself. Kind of like a cop out.

  • I will start reading many books.
  • I play semi-pro football and get paid for it, twice a week so far is what we practice with games. I will maybe add gym into it.

Every 2 weeks, cut off a bad habit like: watching TV shows/netflix/anime/porn etc, eating processed sugar, even listening to music, I bet your dopamine is skyhigh just like the case in most people living in big cities in developed countries This Part Should Be Your Main Empathize, I’m a believer that in order to improve your life, it’s better to cutoff bad habits rather than introducing good habits.

Yes, I live in London. This means I am overwhelmed.

Weaknesses are:

Gambling Porn Social Media Video Games

Ideas: Posts here on my self-improvement?


[–]Arabian_Wolf 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If socializing is for professional needs like with fellow students or work colleagues, as long as it's about studying/work, it's ok.

I believe playing football at that frequency is enough, no need to overwhelm yourself in one go, just keep it up.

Gambling Porn Social Media Video Games

Cutoff each one of them ever couple of week, from the easiest to the hardest.

Ideas: Posts here on my self-improvement?

You mean that you write about your self-improvement experience?

[–]PranksterLad 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You mean that you write about your self-improvement experience?

Yes, wouldn't it be good to document the progress and show others, receive feedback?

I don't know what's up with me man, I feel depressed, sad, alone, in such a busy city.

Not sure where to go from here, feel depressed.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good idea, just write your story first.

Try to get out and make your home a place to study or sleeping only, most of your day should be outside, even sitting idly in a park would do wonder to your mentality.

That, and do Monk Mode asap!

[–]randomTATRP 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Gambling is one hell of a drug. Have friends that can spend all of their paycheck on slots/betting. STAY AWAY FROM IT.

I'd say porn is not TOO bad if you have regular sex and if they are not extreme genres. But eventually, it should be cut off too.

Social Media - if you're using social media to only communicate with people you can't otherwise, make a fake account with nothing liked/followed on it and you can use it for pure communication. Even better, make a Messenger only account (yes, this is somehow possible). About Instagram, post a picture every once in a while for status reasons and then delete the app again.

Video games aren't hard to quit. Just don't play them. :D

I don't know what's up with me man, I feel depressed, sad, alone, in such a busy city.

Go outside. Find some friends and LIFT. Trust me.

Good luck.

[–]PranksterLad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, I have given up gambling for good. It's an absolute sucker, can make you feel on top of the world and then destroy you in a second. Haven't looked back since deactivating my accounts. Porn has been so so cut off, had a wank last night haha.

Social media... Im not sure, I am watching GaryVees video and he seems to advocate towards social media as its good for business and day game. Not sure.

[–]randomTATRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's good. Online gambling is even worse than the regular one since they have options to withdraw your payment which you stored for paying out. Not to mention there is some kind of algorithm to hook you and then make you lose a bunch.

I know how it is friend. I had a 2mth+ noporn streak and broke it with my favorite video, got hard in a millisecond. You gotta hate that dopamine system.

TRP preaches day gaming as cold approaching, but for businesses, today if you don't have a webpage AND a FB page (and sometimes an IG profile, if it's a bigger business especially), you're screwed. You can still make a FB profile just for a business AFAIK.

[–]PranksterLad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hey man, can you post the monk mode post by Ilimitableman, I am currently in great need of it as I shut the world off a bit.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 41 points42 points  (20 children)

He got a girlfriend now, deleted his account and is going full TRAD.

tell your son this

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain[S] 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Wasn't aware of his change in twitter account. Do you feel he's abandoned TRP and gone purple pill?

[–]aShiftyLad 10 points11 points  (1 child)

his og twitter got banned. so he changed up the approach

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He stopped shit posting as much.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 8 points9 points  (6 children)

That's the theory. Granted, Roosh did the same thing, until his LTR left him. Ego investment is pretty standard.

Probably why many guys who are long term invested in applying what they learn are in relationships already. There is no ego investment in believing one thing or another, one wants to learn navigation of the SMP, not a narrative to sooth their ego

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain[S] 30 points31 points  (4 children)

I believe deep down, everyone wants to buy into the Disney illusion, that LTR is possible with TRP wisdom, it's hard-wired into us so it's not easy to escape our biology.

[–]Incendior 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Which is why just learn as much as you can and improve yourself, I suppose. At the end of the day, knowledge never really leave you, and it's better walking into those fantasies prepared, no?

I'm falling in love, and I no longer feel conflicted. TRP prepared me well.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Psychological problems aren't so much our biology as it is the cognitive coping tools to escape our biology.

[–]sd4c 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is the scorpion’s primary mission to convince the frog that he WILL. NOT. STING! This convincing is so important to being a scorpion that she in fact, believes it herself, and in doing so becomes magnitudes more persuasive: both creatures, the frog and the deadly arachnid, both are often surprised at her ferocity when she finally strikes.

This is why no matter how well-behaved, how sweet, how loving- you never hand a loaded AK to a six-year old boy. Same principle, except in this case, the gift given to the child, the weapon she will use against you, is your trust.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with this, I think that's why it's so difficult when you're a guy who "plays the field" it's difficult to have a conversation with someone who's locked down. It isn't just the womens influence either he starts saying things he didnt belive before most of the time. I've only met a handful of guys who can have the mindset and the girl.

[–]DonaldBaelish 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What? For real? That's even worse than his blatant advertisement of TRT for teenagers.

Nonetheless, he's still an extremely intelligent guy. Maybe he has an ulterior motive, Stoney. You know how he goes. Time will show.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doesn't change what I do either way, and I may be wrong. I ain't Jesus

[–]BillyRedRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, he's sure to have more patrons that way. 5$ you get your book out first.

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What does TRAD mean? Traditional?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

sort of. think the holding onto a tradition that never really existed.

traditional is traditional. TRAD is more... LARPY.

[–]--____notfunny____-- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For real ?

[–]1lurkingtacopiller 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I thought my Twitter feed was a bit sparse lately. Even the best fall down sometimes

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a theory, so don't take for gospel

[–]SKRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I thought his Twitter got banned.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Thank you, really appreciate this!

Edit: Saved for future reference.

[–]aeshaesh 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yes, women have entered highly prestigious professions such as medicine and law, but do the majority of women make major contributions to their fields, or do they just teach and practice the work of men who came before them, rather than endeavouring to truly excel in, innovate and push the boundaries of their chosen disciplines?

The majority of women don't, but the majority of men are not better. There are few people who try to push the boundaries of their chosen discipline, and they are men and women.

Except that, the rest of the post is rather good

[–]Sendmoneytofly 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Did he get dox or something? No more posts as of late

[–]Arabian_Wolf 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I believe he once said that he’s more of a quality over quantity type of guy, only writing exceptional post between long periods of time.

[–]ziggy1234kurt 8 points9 points  (1 child)

he is on twittere under a differnet name, something like tell your children this or something

[–]hearse223 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I once tried to explain the concept of honor to a girlfriend and I didn't get anywhere.

She couldn't understand why she shouldn't accept gifts from a dude trying to break us up, in her mind it was free shit.

[–]kaane 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Why would she? She is getting free stuff, period. Women value money more than you can imagine

[–]1studentsensei 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funny thing is if she found out that you were constantly accepting free shit from other women she'd feel some type of way about it.

So I somewhat disagree. Women know if they're doing something wrong - they just don't care.

[–]p3n1x 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She isn't completely wrong and doesn't have to care. She gets free shit and you are "there for her" if things get out of hand with the other dude. Hypergamy. The other guy stays in orbit or replaces you.

[–]SpecialistParticular 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully you dumped her ass?

[–]zncmckskaowidixjsjai 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Very good brother, thanks for sharing.

[–]therymancruise 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Saved this, very efficient, thank you

[–]Cabbletitties 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This post is absolute gold.

[–]HardPiano 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is sidebar material. Incredible stuff.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If im correct..it already is

[–]pcps4 1 points1 points [recovered]

Woman’s love is extremely conditional, because unlike man’s it is parasitic rather than sacrificial.

nice list but please, be fair to women too - we don't love them, we "love" them because they are hot and young..

every woman if gain fat, the men "love" is gone..

it's really 1:1...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The point is that a man's love is sacrificial and a woman's love is parasitic. Nothing you say can take away from that fact.

[–]pcps4 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree.. :/ you can have sacrificial love from women but you must be 3+ points more prettier than she is and it makes no sense...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even then, she probably has ulterior motives or strings attached with those 'sacrifices'. The entitlement never goes away.

[–]z2a1-9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Speak brother, this is music to my ears!

[–]RedPilledRoaster 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In a feminine society, what is attractive to women = what is socially attractive. Act accordingly.

Edit: Also, everything isn’t black and white you sperg fucks. Don’t try to seduce your boss.

[–]rokr10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Even my own mother tries to tell me what to wear as it's "in style."

[–]msyhak 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"Money is more important than women. Chase money, not women. You are more likely to get women chasing money than you are to get money chasing women."

Best point.

[–]white_girl_lover 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Boldness pays timidity costs

[–]Menchstick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great job, that's an incredible post.

The only point I disagree with is the one before the last; not being content with your situation and creating problems to solve is a prerogative of humanity, not women, and it's what made us what we are, the thing that kept us going. Humans had no real need for electricity or microwave ovens, they're solutions to non problems but nonetheless are what makes us great.

[–]love-you-long-time 1 points1 points [recovered]

Do most women have dark triad personalities?

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't believe so, but most women are more Machiavellian than men as it's in their nature. Read "Lucifer's daughter" to see how destructive dark triad in women can be.

[–]love-you-long-time 1 points1 points [recovered]

I've certainly dated a few of them lol I'll check the book out. Thanks!

Also, are you Matt Kroc?

[–]omega_dawg93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

did he ever finish his book?

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing, nice brief list, plenty of diamonds there which I had already forgotten.

[–]Phoenix_Alpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a gold mine of proper perspective. Thank you for posting.

[–]jonpe87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best site in the internet. Not one of the best, but the best.

[–]CaptainBW 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn I also enjoy his prose, this is fabulous writing of TRP concepts. Saved.

[–]Izzenw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great Post, thanks for sharing.

[–]arissiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an excellent collection. I’m really impressed. I haven’t read the full post yet but I still haven’t found anything to disagree with.

[–]TheSingularity01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about techniques used to establish good rapport with potential male allies, psychological warfare techniques vs other men that are trying to undermine you, how to get what you want, while dominating the situation directly or indirectly, all without alienating your peers? I know Iman mentions how to deal with others including men, but there is an extreme focus on women, rightfully so with his roots here. But with intense competition in the corporate world, and for potential mates, I would like more material to read about in this area. Also, how to handle the corporate female here romantic involvement would be detrimental to yourself as opposed to the average woman you meet at the gym. Thanks.

[–]1RationalDoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They did him no justice suspending him from twitter. I getting the feeling that a couple of years from now its back to the forum days as anything that isnt left/feminist leaning will be banned from almost all social media.

[–]Pluglord 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Man is forced to realise he will never again be loved so profusely, for the boy gets his fill, but man loves the most to be loved the least. The profundity of maternal love is longed for, but forever gone.

Just making sure i'm interpreting this right, does this mean as men we should be okay with giving more love to our loved ones than the amount we recieve?

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. As boys we get loved unconditionally by our family, as we grow older and become men, we want to get the same feeling back, so we give ourselves away to women hoping she would return the same unconditionally love as our childhood; we give the most but receive the least back. Most men aren't ok with this because in their minds there is a covert contract of "I love you, so you have to love me back."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That bullet point about women in Law and Medicine was fantastic. Really good personally for me for disregarding the ego of women in those fields

[–]FOREVERTRIP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That bullet point seemed like bullshit.

[–]RedPilledRoaster 0 points1 point  (1 child)

A lot of these notes, specifically about women’s nature, sound angry. As in they see how women act but are still spiteful about it.

Just remember that they have always been like this. We just aren’t controlling their nature. It’s a modern version of the caveman days.

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Understanding their behavior isn't always personal, but natural, is part of getting through the anger phase itself.

In a sense, with the RP you can now tell the future, choosing how you act on what you know is coming defines whether you will be negatively emotional about it or not.

[–]one_eyed_zoro -5 points-4 points  (22 children)

More money means more opportunity, more opportunity means more growth. Money is the single most powerful non-sentient object in existence; it is a decimalised measurement of objective power that each and every life needs to continue to exist.

This is stupid and wrong. Money has no power at all. With real power, you can get things for free(without you having to spend your money). Money is power for those without any power. Money is an artifical construct to facilitate trade of goods and services for the value of goods and servicea you've provided.

Real power is social, not financial. Yes, having money helps a lot, but a penniless man can achieve the same things as a wealthy man if he knows enough people willing to freely give what the rich man must buy.

Wealth creates a number of problems as those around you will tend to be there for your money, not for you. Women will be attracted to your money, not you.

Money is good, but treating money like it's more powerful than you will make you a weak beta whose only alpha while you have money. Go broke and you risk your real power on the illusion that money was your power. Choice is power and we always have a choice regardless of money.

That said, by being a strong powerful man, you should make more money over time as a side effect. Just be careful not to let your ego depend on your bank account.

[–]1dongpal 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Money has no power at all.


Real power is social, not financial.

Your "social power" will piss at you if you dont have money. And your social construct will piss at you because you dont provide any value to society else you would have money. Money is the ultimate proof you provide value.

but a penniless man can achieve the same things as a wealthy man if he knows enough people willing to freely give what the rich man must buy.

If said rich man sees you are poor he most likely wont invest in you (like time, most important thing for rich people).

If you cant prove you are something special (like having money) people wont treat you as a social high person.

Wealth creates a number of problems

Wow, nice try to nitpick here. Everything has cons, and I can tell you being rich is better than being broke. The problems of being rich means how to get even more money while being poor means wasting your life time for doing stupid things and spending time with stupid people who do the same stupid stuff which at the end of the day will reduce your health by large margin (psychological and physical).

Women will be attracted to your money, not you.

Women know that men who have money have value because they did/know something many others dont. You proved you are not retarded. They know they dont waste time by spending time with you.

It's actually funny how many men still didnt grasp it while it's widely known in the female world.

And seeing your other post

If you know millionaires, you could leverage their contacts to get you a job your money couldn't buy

Lmao. So you say money is no power but knowing people who have money is power. Yeah man, nice logic. It's like saying "Fucking women doesnt mean you are awesome, but knowing people who have women makes you awesome." Also, making "get you a job" your endgoal... you know so little about money that you still think about working for others.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

TRP noobs: "I'd rather be a broke ass musician living paycheck to paycheck, and bang hot chicks every weekend, than to make money and do whatever I want."

Male hamsters at their best.

[–]1dongpal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

People are not just brainwashed about women but also money. There should be a whole TRP finance section, it's way too important to ignore.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not brainwashed, just retarded.

Money = BB, therefore I'll be poor to be AF.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let them be broke and directionless, it’ll only make the top percentile of men even more desirable and weed out the competition.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women will be attracted to your money, not you.

Women know that men who have money have value because they did/know something many others dont. You proved you are not retarded. They know they dont waste time by spending time with you.

It's actually funny how many men still didnt grasp it while it's widely known in the female world.

And seeing your other post

I would go a step further, money does not equate to the level of retardation (much money is passed forward by family). Women know that if they behave a certain way, they are more than likely to share/have access to the income. Many actually hope you are an idiot, it makes the leeching easier.

Actual intellect does have value, it can put them into a false sense of "one day". Money is awesome, but you don't have to have a shitload to be a good manager. Don't give them access and don't shower with gifts. Guys that suck at massaging the female ears default to their money to keep the pussy happy.

[–]Xandah 0 points1 point  (8 children)

What would you say is a better objective measure of a person's power then?

[–]one_eyed_zoro -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

Choice. Money does help with choice, but only within the confines of financial transactions. Having a better social game can give you more choices than money alone.

If you know millionaires, you could leverage their contacts to get you a job your money couldn't buy and pay more than you could have any other way through money.

[–]Xandah 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Choice cannot be measured objectively. Further more choice is not fungible. Even further I'd say money gives you more choices and opportunities to expand your social circles. Money makes it possible to make more money. Enough of it and obstacles disappear. There are few measurable instances in which the application of enough money won't solve your problem.

[–]one_eyed_zoro 0 points1 point  (5 children)

So you've got magic money trees? Networking is immensely more valuable early on and can leverage your purchasing power. Things cost what people are willing to sell it for. Why pay $20 million for wedding rings when you can feature the store on a TV show and get them for free?

A poor man thinks money buys things, a rich man knows the guy setting the prices.

[–]Xandah 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I mean you're reciting TRP platitudes like they're equivalent to wisdom...but you can't do any of that without money. No one wants to network with a penniless person. No one wants to associate with people that aren't constantly improving and a very easy measure of that improvement is their net worth. As for the money tree...yes...investing your money well grows it while you sleep. Its like a tree that requires vigilance rather than water.

[–]one_eyed_zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The platitudes get to the heart of it. Humans are animals, smart animals, but still biological animals nonetheless. Knowing the human animal can save you money, time, effort, or gain you advantages in bad times.

I'm not trying to discount money, but advocate that money is not all purpose solution. Nothing really is honestly, but there's more than one way to any given goal.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't have to have money to have value. But it is definitely a positive thing if you can turn your value into money. Woman dial into men showing respect to other men.

[–]wrightedgeworthy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are an idiot. All of the billionaires have something similar to the magic money tree or called 'core business' where they got most of the money but they just don't tell other how that tree works.

People with the same 'magic money tree' tend to collude together like how it was in oil business or banking to prevent other to get their 'magic money trees'

Fuck your networking, do you think Bill Gates , Koch brother, Walton family, Wang Jianlin bother to go networking event with chump? Do you think they are like santa claus that give shit for free for their friend? I have meet some of the guy in the top 1% and do you think I'll ask for some freebies like a beggar of their product?

Remember this : if you get it for free, you are the product.

[–]one_eyed_zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I was referring to guys starting out with nothing, not already made rich people.

Secondly, I didnt say get free shit, I said get a hook up for a better paying job than working or investing yourself could do starting out. Leveraging an extra 50k a year is better for a man coming up in his 20s than scrimping and saving.

Anywho, read closer what I've said and you'll find I actually agree with you.

[–]Deus_Vultan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A man in debt is a man in chains. Money gives you the freedom and power of choice. I think you read a bit much into Ops "statement". I could be wrong, but i disagree that the point is "stupid".

[–]omega_dawg93 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

i have friends who automatically call trump "ultra alpha" bc of his money and crude attitude.

this is a man who can't get a loan or decent lawyer based on keeping his word to pay... buys pussy from porn girls, and cheats on every woman he's married.

yet he's alpha just bc of $$$.

i don't agree.

[–]one_eyed_zoro 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I admire he got a free multi million dollar ring by leveraging his show rather than buying it outright. It wasn't his money, it was lack of paying with money.

[–]omega_dawg93 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

vs how many failed businesses and casinos?

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Failure is part of success though. I get your point, but failure isn't a good measure. Where you stand after the failure is all that matters.

[–]omega_dawg93 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you stand high... as the most powerful man in the world.

but you can't get loans in the USA, can't keep a decent lawyer retained, cheating via transactional sex but "in the bed" with Russians while under investigation.

he's highly flawed and if this plays out like i think it will, he's a traitor at best.

[–]saargrin -6 points-5 points  (13 children)

this is, in short, a homosexual manifesto

If this is what dealing with women entails, why even bother

[–]RedPilledRoaster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They ain’t that bad if you’re masculine, because all their shit tests and bullshit are meant for betas and once you learn how to deal with them they become nothing to you.

Also, plates.

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

No recruiting here.

[–]saargrin 0 points1 point  (3 children)

thats not what I meant at all

what I meant is, by adopting this you're basically cheating yourself out of the possibility of ever having a normal relationship with a woman, because you will presuppose she's this gold digging whore, which will be a self fulfilling prophecy

[–]modTheRedPike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was a joke. Kinda.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, just realize your weak actions will have consequences. Don't be weak intentionally or look for the reward of being a victim.

WTF is normal anyway? Talk to people in relationships, don't just observe and form your own hamster BS. All relationships have fuckery.

[–]contrafagotto -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Regardless of what you might have meant, what you actually said — "This is, in short, a homosexual manifesto" — was right on the mark. To get through all the horse wash, it's necessary to see through, and dump, three things:

  1. Radical feminism
  2. Homophobia, replacing homophobia with an understanding of human sexuality informed by anthropology
  3. Puritan religion, such as Christianity.

Red Pill is doomed to fail until it absorbs what is known about human sexuality through anthropology and sociology, and until it understands that religion is dangerously obsolete and has been replaced by advances in moral philosophy, starting with the Enlightenment and brought further up to date with John Rawls' "A Theory of Justice."

[–]eccentricrealist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's still what you were born to do.

[–]tempolaca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Going to the moon is also hard.

[–]contrafagotto 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yours (and mine, down-voted, of course) are the most insightful comments in this thread.

Straight men are blinded, controlled, warped, and whipped by pussy. All of them, pretty much by definition. And even after years of reading their own Red Pill posts, they've made no progress toward becoming conscious of that fact.

[–]lapeparoja 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Could be, but the solution is not taking it in the ass. More on the line of: I acknowledge pussy will be always important for me as a man, so I will work hard to: 1) get plenty. 2) get it "cheap" 3)decrease its importance in my life to a minimum.

[–]contrafagotto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes ... It's all about getting the price of pussy down. It's not that all men have to go gay. But the more men learn to get off quick and easy with other men (as was the case in pretty much all pre-Christian cultures), the more the price of pussy comes down because of the competition. What most straight guys fail to see about the economics is that homophobia, and the monopoly it gives to women, is probably the No. 1 factor that inflates the price of pussy. Breaking the female monopoly and taking advantage of easy servicing by other men would lead to more, and cheaper, pussy. I have touched on this idea in other sorts of forums, and I have been viciously berated by women. The thought terrifies them.

[–]adool999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

More men need to realize this. Most of those points are true and realized by anyone RP or not.

[–]contrafagotto -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

There is some good stuff here, and the good stuff sent me to the web site to do some reading. But I strongly disagree with an article at the web site that is not referenced in this post, Issue #48: Promiscuity & Civilization.

His pronouncements are nothing more than unquestioned religious dogma wound around with fallacious reasoning. For example, he builds an elaborate slippery slope fallacy. Civilization itself, we are told, is threatened by promiscuity, because families are the building blocks of civilization. No, no, no.

Communities and polities (starting, say, with tribes) are the building blocks of civilization — larger systems of rules-based cooperation with a much larger economic commons than exists today. Many communities (or tribes) have often done a vastly better job of doing the work that we now consider family work — for example, taking care of children. Families are too small an economic unit and too unstable to do a good job with children. Inevitably, too many children will have poor life prospects because of low investment in their upbringing. If anything, low investment in far too many children — owing to the unsuitability of nuclear families for this task — is a threat to civilization.

The natural sexual instincts (and foibles) of human adults became a social problem only because atomization into nuclear families drastically narrowed tribal and community investment in children, leaving children exposed to the dysfunction of, or loss of, just one or two people. As economic units, nuclear families are too small, and too often they fail, with no safety net. When nuclear families fail, children suffer, and their parents almost inevitably become poorer. Tribal mores do not have to rely nearly as much on sexual repression. Keeping the peace is enough, as opposed to forcing adults into socially constructed arrangements that are strongly contrary to their instincts.

The sexual arrangements of adults is a sorry, sorry glue to be made responsible for holding civilization together. Our ancestors knew that before religions (particularly Christianity) not only started tampering, but also started wiping out the collective memory of how things had been done for millennia.

"Promiscuity" — a very loaded word — is not the problem. Religion and the nuclear family are the problem.

[–]bitcoin1188 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The family is the backbone of society. Without strong nuclear families you have no thriving society

[–]contrafagotto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because you say so, and because you have heard it said all your life? You know nothing.

[–]tempolaca 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Religion and the nuclear family are the problem.

You are wrong and It's easy to see that the religious nuclear family is in the long term, superior to any other arrangement: those promiscuous tribes that you speak of were all killed off by christian soldiers.

Many communities (or tribes) have often done a vastly better job of doing the work that we now consider family work

Yet they were all slaughtered. You can believe to be superior all you want, until a sword get trusted into your guts and your (ex)wife fucks the soldier that did it in the same night. That soldier came from a religious, nuclear family.

[–]contrafagotto 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You know nothing about human history — except that Christians did in fact kill a lot of people. That's what it takes to impose such a thing on people.

You also apparently don't realize that the Christian religion is rapidly returning to the dung pile of history, where it belongs. Only the very lowest, least productive, and dumbest of humans are still in it.

[–]tempolaca 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That's what it takes to impose such a thing on people.

Yes, and it works. Those superior tribes are all dead. They doesn't look as superior now, do they?

Only the very lowest, least productive, and dumbest of humans are still in it.

3 Billion of them and increasing. And they have more weapons than you.

[–]contrafagotto -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can guarantee you that superior people are not dead, nor are they weak.'

[–]FirstNamesMusic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol, the ignorance and sweeping statements in this post.

I just had to let you know, that I found this quite humorous.

[–]TheStoicCrane -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Chase money, not women.

The carrot dangling on a string in front of a mule (ass). To chase money is to be it's slave. Learn to manage money. The chase is vanity.