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I wanted to write down some thoughts I’ve had in regards to a recent post on TRP. The post is titled “Here’s the Top 20%”. I recommend you read that article because it is pretty insightful when looked at in the right way.

The writer gives statistics about what it means to get to the top 20% in various categories - height, salary, dick size, debt, and number of sexual partners. I wanted to flesh this out a bit more because I worry that many guys here are going to read that article and their takeaway is going to be that they aren’t doing well enough in these categories to succeed in dating and sex. I believe the intention of the article was to demonstrate that it is not nearly as difficult as you think it is to become a high value man, not that you HAVE to be top 20% to achieve success with women. More importantly, I want to emphasize that the vast majority of guys you are up against offer so little in terms of competition that it is not something you should spend any reasonable amount of time thinking about.

This will be a bit of a field report with some subjective opinions on where I think the majority of men stand in the world, and why it is much easier than you think to reach a point where dating is easy. This is not exaggerated for dramatic affect. I am simply trying to illustrate that most of you can be successful with women if you focus on the right things instead of obsessing over what the top guys are all doing.

This past weekend, I slept with 3 women between Friday and Sunday. One was a girl I had already been seeing, one was a girl I went on one date with about a week prior (date ended without sex), and one was someone I had never met before. Since people will undoubtedly ask, my “stats” are:

  • 5’11”
  • 31 years old
  • 15% bodyfat
  • $130k (salary + investments)
  • Ginger (I get compared to Dameon Louis, for a reference)
  • Live in my own apartment in downtown Boston
  • Tinder profile has recent pics from a bachelor party and wedding
  • Normal social life but nothing crazy
  • A few hobbies (rock climbing, photography, drawing, cooking)

This would put me as above average in the general population of men in my bracket and city. I’m not jacked, although I have lost about 40 pounds over the past year which has yielded a massive improvement in my looks. I generally wear dark clothes including a mix of button ups, graphic t-shirts, nice jeans and clean / higher end shoes and boots. I am hygienic, keep my facial hair trimmed and neat, pluck my eyebrows, gel my hair, and put on cologne. It takes me a total of about 15 minutes to get ready to go out.

Why am I talking about this? Because everything I just listed, aside from height, is completely obtainable for the average guy and virtually none of it is luck, genetics, or out of reach. Having orange hair could even be looked at as a detriment (no freckles, thankfully) and yet I regularly have women told me I’m their “first ginger”, and even sometimes hear “I’ve always had a thing for redheads”. It is not an exaggeration to say that most men do not even present themselves in an attractive way through basic hygiene and fashion.

Thursday night I had a girl I’ve been seeing over to watch a movie. She stayed the night, we fucked on my lunch break Friday, and then she left to head to her friend’s beach rental for the weekend. Friday night, I went out with a buddy of mine to see our other friend’s album premier. It was at a low-key bar, about 50 people, and I had no intentions or plans to hit on women. Around 12PM, a girl I had been messaging through Tinder asks what I’m up to. We had no plans to meet up anytime soon, but she had gotten off a late shift at her hospital and was bored. I told her I was watching my friend’s band play, and that she should stop by to check it out. I text her the address and tell her I have an extra ticket, she says she’ll be there in 20. This was a woman who had actually rejected my advances to grab a drink earlier in the week.

When she got there, she admitted she had messaged a few guys but seeing the band sounded like fun. You know why? Because the other guys were sitting at their fucking apartment and invited her to come straight there. They weren’t doing ANYTHING interesting. She told me she had never been invited to something like this. I asked her what she did for a living, and she told me she’s a doctor at one of the local hospitals. Before arriving, I told my friend and his girlfriend to make sure this girl felt comfortable, as she didn’t know anyone here and we had never met in person before. My friend’s girlfriend pulled her aside, got to know her a bit, while I was bullshitting with my buddy near them. It helped to diffuse the tension of her arriving to a venue of complete strangers. It showed that I wasn’t some guy sitting by myself asking Tinder girls to come out and just get drunk. Nothing about this situation was difficult on my end, yet it stood out to her as different than what she is normally invited to do.

After introducing her to the band, we got invited to an after party. At this point, after knowing me for an hour, she was excited to go and had no reservations about it. I made her laugh, made her feel comfortable, and showed that I actually have something to offer and talk about. We stopped by the party, and after 30 or so minutes we realized that we were probably the only people not on drugs. She said she felt weird, but didn’t want to go home. Given that it was 3AM at this point and all the bars were closed, I took the hint and said we can head back to my place. She said yes, again with no hesitation.

We get to my place, and the first thing she says is that she is impressed with how clean it is. I want to write this again to emphasize what stood out to her. A fucking DOCTOR was impressed that I clean my apartment. What does that say about the average guy in the dating scene? She was genuinely surprised that my god damn furniture matches, that I pick out artwork that isn’t just some melting clock you see in every dorm room in the United States, that I have real plants, and that I don’t have dirty clothes laying on the floor in my bedroom. Why do you think Jordan Peterson literally has a chapter dedicated to cleaning your bedroom in his latest book? It’s because the majority of the male populated can’t be bothered to pick up their shit-stained boxers off the floor and wipe the piss stains off their toilet seat. If you can’t take the time to do basic human chores, why would quality women want to fuck you?

The doctor and I talked about our experiences on Tinder for a bit, about how she’s tired of the way guys act on Tinder, don’t look like their pictures, don’t make an effort to get to know her before trying to have sex, and how her last date showed up in a baseball jersey to a restaurant and spent the entire time talking about the Red Sox. We fucked that night and the next morning after breakfast.

Later that night, another girl I had met once before texted me saying she wanted to hang out, so I invited her to a bar a few blocks from my place. She asked why that bar, and I said that they have good food and it’s close to my place if we decide we want to come back here afterwards. Again, same stories. She’s tired of dating, she’s sick of guys in their 20’s acting like children, sex with most men is boring, the list goes on. I tell her I’m into interior design, she says she wants to see my place. A half hour later she tells me she’s so glad she’s finally getting laid again.

Next day, I get a text from the doctor saying she’s bored and misses my comfy sofa. I invite her over and ask if she likes Sci Fi. She says no, so I put on the new Blade Runner to change her mind. We fuck afterwards. She tells me to text her whenever I want her to swing by. She says she likes that I made sure she had an orgasm. That is who I’m up against. That is who YOU are up against. Guys who are too fucking lazy for things like foreplay. Guys who think that vanilla missionary sex for 5 minutes is going to make her feel sexy. Guys who don’t ask what she likes and doesn’t like in bed. Guys who don’t pay attention to her noises and body. Guys that don’t know where her clit is, let alone touch it. Guys who say “nice tits” instead of SHOWING her that you like them.

Before people jump down my throat and accuse me of making this up - this was an above average weekend for me. I normally don’t put this much time into getting laid. What I did do is put myself into situations where it is possible if and when it arises. I would have been completely content with watching the band and going home. What stood out to me, however, was when the girl on Friday told me she wouldn’t have hung out with me if I had just invited her to my apartment. She liked that we actually did something fun, because these types of offers are so rare from men. When you put yourself into situations like this, you impress women and they want to be part of your life. If you actually take the time to do, say, and express that you care about and do interesting things, dating becomes easy. It becomes enjoyable. It gives you experiences that both you and the women will remember and appreciate. It makes you stand out among a sea of average and lazy morons.

I read an article a couple months ago about how Boston is the best city to be a single man in. This was factored out of a number of things, including the male-to-female ratio (many more women than men), how well educated the women are, how many women are single, and various other things a single guy would want. I can wholeheartedly say that it is filled with beautiful, intelligent, funny, and successful women. Many of them are unhappy with their dating lives, and it became very obvious why. I can break down the vast majority of men in my city into one of two categories. The first is the “Boston Sports Guy”. His entire existence and well-being are based around how well New England sports teams are doing. He wears baseball jerseys and hats when he goes out to bars, only talks about the Red Sox and Patriots, and would probably be honored to have Tom Brady fuck his girlfriend in front of him. His apartment is filled with sports memorabilia and little else. The second type is the “Cambridge Hipster”. He weighs less than the women he’s trying to sleep with, is hypersensitive about everything, wears purple converse and generic flannel like everyone else around him, and thinks that playing shitty music on a guitar is going to impress women with how deep he is. He agrees with everything women say and do, and thinks that being an overbearing nice guy will get him laid. Deep down he resents the women he pursues for constantly putting him in the friend zone. Again, this is my competition.

The guys on this sub need to calm down with the obsession over becoming “Chad”. AskTRP is flooded with questions like “what’s the alpha response here” and “is what I did beta”. Look, I get it. Guys are frustrated with dating so they blame women and compare themselves to the men that those women are fucking. Yes, it can be beneficial to mimic behaviors of people who are exceptional at something in order to improve yourself in that regard. A perfect example is watching stand-up comedy routines in order to improve your humor. That being said, reaching the top 20% in different categories does not immediately surround you with this aura that women just pick up on and want to fuck. These categories are components of a bigger machine. The majority of men are lazy, boring, and put little to no effort into the things they say and do. That is exactly why “alpha” guys stand out. Effort makes you stand out, not just the results of that effort. Giving a shit about something makes you stand out, but that doesn’t mean you have to be the best at it.

Instead of worrying about how tall you are, try to consider that the bottom 80% of men are so low effort that they barely exist in the eyes of women. You are competing with the top 20% a lot less than you probably think you are, because there simply aren’t many of them. Many of them get tied down with girlfriends and wives, and some of the men that are technically top 20% in these categories still are not dating because they don’t know how to be social. I know multiple men in the tech industry that earn well over $100k, are in decent shape, have some hobbies, and still don’t date anyone because they have no idea how to talk to women. Instead of worrying about what the alpha guys are doing and how much more they bench than you, try to keep in mind that becoming above average is incredibly easy by putting in a mediocre amount of effort into things that women notice (which are things that you should also care about anyway). Some simple things you can do to stand out among the majority of guys include:

  1. Good hygiene
  2. Matching clothes
  3. Furniture that isn’t disgusting
  4. A clean apartment
  5. At least one skill that can also be sexual (I learned massage and own a table)
  6. A career you care about, or at least working towards one
  7. Attending social events that are not just about drinking
  8. A dating profile that doesn’t have just bathroom selfies
  9. A social circle of people that are interesting
  10. Hobbies that she will want to be a part of (rock climbing for me)

That’s it. That’s what it takes to stand out. That is the bare minimum you need to make yourself attractive, and you don't even need everything on that list. I didn’t include lifting/fitness on here because that should be a given. If money is an issue, order new furniture off of WayFair (do not buy Ikea). Get a new haircut from a gay stylist, and tell him you want a masculine/clean look. If you have no fashion sense, go to an affordable but trendy clothing store and tell the girl working there that you want a new outfit to go see your friends band in, and let her pick it out for you. Take pictures of you doing things and being around people and use that on Tinder instead of a selfie. Say something other than "hey" when you message your matches. If you get nervous talking to women, then talk to them like it is one of your friends but make a note to turn the conversation sexual at some point. That is all you have to do. You don’t have to be Chad. You don’t have to be 6’5”. You don’t have to earn $300k. You don’t have to drive a Porsche.

Stop overthinking all this shit and comparing yourself to some douchebag on Instagram. Will she fuck another guy that has these things? Maybe, maybe not. Are you really going to spend your time sitting around, breaking down statistical benchmarks to try to calculate the odds of her fucking a richer guy? That is a MASSIVE waste of time and is going to drive you crazy. Just approach the girls you want to, show them a good time, and move on with it. I’ve been cheated on more than once, and I can tell you without a doubt that some of the guys were not “higher” than me on the dating scale. They just offered something I didn’t. I can’t do anything about it, but one thing I can do is enjoy the time I have with women without worrying about if and when they’re going to climb the ladder. The women I was with this weekend will at some point move on, and I don’t care. It doesn’t matter. When they find new guys, I’ll find new women because there is nothing stopping me from doing so.

One of the biggest ironies I see here is when guys complain that women could have the audacity to ever want to be with a better guy, as if the guys here wouldn't do the exact same thing if they could. Are you seriously going to act like if you were a sleeping with an average girl, that you wouldn't fuck someone who looks like a model if you had the opportunity? You're just insecure because it's easier for them than it is for you. Is it fair? No, it isn't, but it is reality. Women have some things easier than men, and the opposite is also true as well. As a guy, you literally get better looking as you age and she gets worse looking. You don't menstruate once a month, and you can have a kid in your 50's with absolutely no risk to your own health or the child's. Stop complaining that one aspect of dating is easier for one sex, when plenty of other things are easier for you. You can control almost every aspect of your life that makes you attractive or ugly to the opposite sex, so stop obsessing over guys that do it better than you. Your height is not the reason you aren't getting laid, it's the fact that you're taking time out of your day complaining about your height on the internet.

I am glad the author of the “Top 20%” article put those statistics out there, but that is all that they are. Statistics. Not one of the women I slept with this weekend asked me my height or my salary. They slept with me because I put effort into things. They know I'm successful because they can SEE it when they walk into my apartment. If a woman being impressed that I clean my apartment doesn’t say enough about the current state of men in the dating scene, I don’t know what else will. Your competition is dogshit.


[–]GuitarHero07 224 points225 points  (46 children)

For the most part, I agree with you. Some people overthink it and act like only guys who are built like action heroes and drive around in Ferraris can get attractive girls. This is certainly not true. The bottom 80% isn't very impressive. But, most of us aren't trying to compete with the bottom 80%. If you are trying to have carnal relations with high SMV females, the competition is stiff.

We're not here because we want to learn how to get with Plain Jane. We want Sexy Sally and the fact is that everyone wants Sexy Sally. There's no playing that down. I live in a similar sized city to Boston. All over this city there are high end apartment complexes and condos full of young, successful, fit, driven men. Theres plenty of people driving around in BMWs, Mercedes, Audis etc. Plenty of guys are dressing nicely, lifting nicely, have immaculate hair and have great bachelor pads. The beautiful girls here have plenty of suitors.

I'm not doubting the OP's success and in fact I am happy for him. I have also enjoyed a significant increase in success since discovering the so-called "Manosphere." But let's not play down how hard the game is. Without becoming "black pilled" and completely giving up, we should acknowledge that it's a competitive world out there and there is no substitute for grinding hard in life.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 112 points113 points  (14 children)

If you live in a progressive city, like Boston, you will see these guys around - more if you're in the financial district, less if you're in Southie. They exist, there's no denying that, but there's an assumption that all of them are single, straight, and on the market. Many of them get tied down to relationships, because they pull a smokeshow and she reels him into commitment. Many of them are gay, because gay men generally put more effort into looks and appearance than straight men. Some of them are out and bringing girls back left and right, but there simply aren't enough of them to go around for the amount of women that want them. There's only so many women you can sleep with on a weekly basis, even if it is your primary goal.

It is always going to be competitive. That will never change. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it should push you to improve and work on yourself so you can date the women you want to. I'm not advocating for dating average girls - quite the contrary actually. I'm saying you don't need to be 6'4" pulling in $200k a year to get higher caliber women. You also need to consider if you genuinely, honestly want to date the Instagram models who spend all their time taking photos of their asses on the beach. Are they hot? Sure. They're also usually boring, shallow, and have very little to offer outside of their looks. To me, the girl-next-door type is usually a lot more fun to be around and has way more to offer besides just looks. They aren't difficult to meet. Fucking the club girls gets old after awhile, believe it or not.

[–]ethical_pa 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Here's the thing. A fairly attractive "plain Jane" or girl next door, with a nice figure is just attractive, if not more, because of the personality boost. Also, the quality of the sex has usually nothing to do with how attractive she is, and more to do with the chemistry between the two of you. Sure, if a 9 or 10 happens to be into me, I would pursue it of course. But, is it worth the effort for to make that your goal? For me, no.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (6 children)

So here's my dilemma: Im 19 and go to a party school where I'm in the top 10% of guys easily due to my social connections and the fact that I'm a pretty social. However, the guys and girls I interact with on a regular basis are also all top 5-10%, and you can probably imagine that girls who are 8/9s are going to be dating up for sure. The girls are one thing, but it also certainly doesn't help that everytime I go out or meet people essentially i'm with my friends who are all 8+, and in fact my roommate and best friend is one of the best looking and charismatic guys at my school whose fucked literally half the cheer team.

I'm somewhat of a late bloomer in terms of socializing so game when meeting girls at parties and immediately escalating is pretty bad. When people actually get to know me or talk to me they love me, almost every single time, but unless i'm drunk and super talkative the girls seemingly get bored and move on to the next guy, even if that guy is less attractive. Whereas in other social situations its much much easier to game girls, but those situations where we aren't at a frat party or pregame are few and far between.

TL;DR: Standing out compared to losers is easy, but when your directly competing with the "best of the best" it becomes much harder.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Wing for your bro & get the 7.5 when he pulls the 9. Cooperation can get you further than competition with your boy.

[–]Red_pill_2017 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel you. Joined the top fraternity in my school but feel like I’d get more pussy being the stud of a mid tier frat. But what the other commentor said is true, I find myself 2 on 2 with fine ass bitches all the time, I just gotta execute.

Not that I’m doing bad for myself, currently dating one of the average looking cheerleaders at my school. Not bad for someone who was an incel as a freshman lol

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is an easy problem to solve. Just game girls in situations where your friends are not present. Introduce her to your friends, or show her pictures of you with your friends, to get that SMV boost. But do so after she got to know you, and don't let her linger with your friends for too long.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think my issue as a freshman last year was that I was literally either in class (usually with a few friends) or at the dorm hanging out with people, so I really never got time to meet people alone.

[–]ArchetypicalDegen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It sounds like you're just not that particularly interesting?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right, small talk isn't my thing, especially with girls for whatever reason. Once I know someone, as I said, they really love me and girls get super hooked, but that often takes a bit to happen.

[–]GuitarHero07 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I know that some of these Instagram models are very expensive prostitutes. That’s not what I’m talking about. We have to understand that just as many men are practically invisible to attractive women, a lot of women are simply undateable to top tier men.

A large percentage of women are obese or overweight. Others have already been knocked up. Others are post-Wall. Others are in committed relationships. So what percentage of women in any given city are young, single, fit, childless and sexy? I’m not saying it’s an impossibility small number as some are making it out to be. But it’s a relatively small pool of women.

Even an average girl is likely getting hit on multiple times per day. She has a bunch of orbiters in her social circle. On Tinder she has more matches than she knows what to do with. I guarantee she can go to a bar or club and have a wide variety of dicks to choose from. All she has to do is show up and look nice.

Again, I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying. I mostly agree with you. I just wanted to fine tune what you’re saying just a little. You don’t have to be an “ultra Chad” to get laid on a regular basis by attractive women. But at the same time, unless you inherited tremendous wealth or naturally amazing looks, you will need to put in some hard work if you want to get with high SMV women.

[–]prostaddict 2 points3 points  (3 children)

One thing about Boston is that it's a comparatively fit city as well and fitness is big on the apps around here. My friend went from getting 10-12 matches a week to 100+ after posting an Abs pic. I am 31, 6'3'' pulling in over 200k a year, live in a high rise in back bay, and yes, it's easier than before, - but you hit diminishing returns after a certain level of income. That balance is important and frankly, at that point fitness may be the best SMV boost (for me anyway, I'd say I'm around 15-16%) - but tbf I've been primarily focusing on the apps recently

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Nice salary, are you in tech? I'm in cyber security at the moment, been at it for a few years but would like to bit but numbers like you in Boston

[–]prostaddict 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah - I work in tech. I found that you can make a lot of money in customer facing roles - I'm a Sales Engineer

[–]Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously, people complain about the rent in boston but the salaries are fucking insane. I make about 1300 a week while going to school

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People don't go for club girls because theyre preferred they go for them because they're accessible. The less easier they are the more day/night game required to pull them.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (1 child)

I don't care for a sexy Sally. It's like when you look at BMWs or Audis, I just see a high repair and maintenance ticket. Which is too much bullshit than i have time for.

Plain jane just needs an occasional lube and that bitch will run without a hitch for years.

New cars are like new girlfriends - they don't ride better - just different.

Choose your battles.

[–]BlackFallout 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Sexy Sally charges 395/ hour. Everyone can be with sexy Sally. This is how it is here in Vegas. All the pretty girls suck dick for money when rent is coming up. All the guys who are in the top 20% know this too and just play hump n dump for the most part. The pretty girls that are with a man for long is rare here. I have no examples actually. Dudes get bored and it's on to the next one.

[–]Psychocist 17 points18 points  (11 children)

This is why many low/mid-tier guys move to other countries to level the playing field. I did it by moving to Thailand. Even though there are plenty of young, successful, fit, driven men here, most of the women are 10x more attractive than the average chick where I'm from (UK). Therefore.. abundance. Couldn't care less whether one of them disappeared, no matter how hot she is. Some other sexy bitch will come along.

high SMV females

This is another important aspect. What is a high SMV female in the West? Is that a high-powered career woman with money and confidence.. a man? Or is it a beautifully feminine gem with a wealthy family? As has been said before - women fill the container. Sexy Sally in the West is a shadow of her Asian or South American counterpart. Let those top 20% fight over 'em. I wouldn't even consider it worth the effort.

that it's a competitive world out there and there is no substitute for grinding hard in life.

Yeh, grind hard for one thing in life: your personal freedom. Women are a side-effect.

[–]omega_dawg93 3 points4 points  (4 children)

in the west, a high SMV female does NOT need an education, personality, $, etc.

all she needs is a cute face, blond hair, blue eyes, tan skin, and big tits (real or fake). she will have 90% of all men after her even if she can't spell her own last name.

i've seen many, many men ruin their lives searching for, marrying, and dealing with their barbie doll trophy wife.

[–]ethical_pa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is correct. I think people over think SMV. It's SEXUAL market value. That's it. Of course, there are simply high value women; arguably those that are worthy of an LTR. Maybe that's what he was thinking about.

A HV woman will have high SMV. A high SMV woman, may or may not have HV.

[–]omega_dawg93 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i don't know if i agree with your last statement.

a high value woman (good mother, loyal companion, respects you, warrants respect, great character, etc.) might be overweight and/or not good-looking. personally, i know a lot of bbw's that are good women-just not highly desired sexually. they do not have high SMV but are ideal for LTR's otherwise. their self-esteem is ruined because even though they're good women (that can get dick), but very few men want to be publicly seen with them or enter LTRs with them.

high SMV women, from my experience, don't ever develop any skills besides making themselves look good and staying in-shape. and most are EXTREMELY self-centered & selfish. some can be VERY boring outside of the bedroom, and some can be boring in the bedroom too. 90% of men want to fuck them but would NEVER marry them. their self-esteem is ruined because they wonder if they will be valued for more than what men see.

this is why you always tell smart women they look good... and you tell good-looking women they're smart.

[–]ethical_pa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool. I guess we have a different definition of high value women. That's fine. I don't honestly know if there is a correct one.

As for a high SMV one, I disagree with you there. I have definitely met some high SMV women that were also smart, interesting and compassionate. They may not be the "9s and 10s" of the club or whatever, but 90% of guys would be falling over themselves to have sex with them. They look good.

[–]Irkeeler 1 points1 points [recovered]

Although I don't necessarily agree on your cross continental move motivation being a higher SMV female(s), you got my upvote for 'grind hard for one thing in life: your personal freedom.'

[–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Although I don't necessarily agree on your cross continental move motivation being a higher SMV female(s)

To clarify, that was one of the minor motivations. The core motivations was the second point: personal freedom. By reducing my living expenses by 80% I've been able to take on part-time work and now have full-time to focus on my own projects.

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm actually seriously flirting with that idea. Although I wouldn't go to Thailand. Maybe the Philippines?

What do you do, teach England?

[–]Psychocist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm a programmer. Thailand is the Holy Grail in terms of Asian countries. Philippines is a bit too rough for my liking. There is also Indonesia (Bali is apparently gorgeous), Cambodia, Laos, and, of course, Vietnam. If you're looking for somewhere to work, then I'd recommend Vietnam. I see loads of teaching jobs come through on expat forums and they pay $20/hr standard.

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indonesia and Vietnam sound interesting too. Man $20/hr is actually a great wage, specially with a tiny cost of living.

Why do you find Thailand to be the holy grail? What do you mean by the Philippines being too rough?

[–]ForYourSorrows 1 points1 points [recovered]

Exactly this. Most men suck total balls but I live in one of the biggest 5 cities in the US and the area I go out in and I’m social in the only motherfuckers I compete with are top 5%. So even though I’m probably top 5-10% myself it still seems like there’s just an endless amount of dudes who are fitter, wealthier, smarter, etc. competing for the same (relatively) small pool of women.

[–]KarmicPrism 2 points3 points  (7 children)

What do you look like at top 10%?

[–]ForYourSorrows 1 points1 points [recovered]

6’2 210, not shredded but abs peeping through (prob 11-13% but I’ve been lifting for quite a few years. Shaved head with a beard, I consider myself a 6.5-7 on a good day but women would likely say I’m an 8 if I’m their type. I make commission but it’s usually 180-230k depending on the year, own a house and an investment property, drive a nice car and a nice motorcycle.

I wasn’t sure if you meant what do I look like physically or what does top 10% look like to me (as I’m just assuming I’m top 10% based on the previous post)

[–]KarmicPrism 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Got ya! That was what I meant. Shaved head and beard club, for the win. Although I'm more like 5'7. Post a pic brosk, so I can get some motivation, just recently shaved my head, and have a vibing beard growing in gloriously, just getting used to it, would be nice motiv to see a top percenter rocking the look as I'm still getting used to the shape of my head 😂

[–]ForYourSorrows 1 points1 points [recovered]

Not posting a pic here lol and deleting that comment tomorrow. I’m not one to post personal shit on reddit, especially TRP.

[–]KarmicPrism 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah I'm not into the razored look for myself either. It feels like my head is just one large testicle that's been clean shaved and waxed after experiencing a violent bout of macroorchidism.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I was clean shaved for a long time. Went to a music festival and didn’t shave for about 4-5 days. I found the short look is way better on me thanks to my laziness at the time. Who knew

I keep my head trimmed to the 2nd setting on my beard trimmer. The beard is the 1st setting so its marginally shorter. Have to maintain every 3-4 days or for the weekend if I’m going out. Beard is full facial with shaved cheeks up top to make a neat line.

Its a great masculine look. Get complimented quite often on it.

Also get lean to bring out all your facial aesthetics. Got to 11-12% and the “chiseled” compliments start flowing.

Get contacts if you can. My prescription is so bad it makes my eyes look out of shape from my head when you look through the front of the glasses.

[–]KarmicPrism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah it really depends on your level of hair. How bad are you thinning?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thin enough on the crown that you can see scalp when you shouldnt. Could’ve went with minoxidil but said fuck it it is what it is. I’m old enough that balding isnt a huge strike against me. Got some silverfox in my beard that works in my favor.

If you have very short/shaved hair up top you gotta have a beard that’s my main advice here.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

was in boston in the last year and the first thing i noticed was the crazy differential between guys and girls. the typical dude's arms were about the same size as a girls should be and a lot just looked like fucking slobs. most the people running around could either afford to live in boston or were attending harvard/MIT so im sure the guys had other things going for them but really threw me off compared to the young/wealthy neighborhood that I call home. However i can run up the road to a hipster looking district and turn heads.

youre not shooting for 80th percentile, USA; youre shooting for 80th percentile, 10 minute diameter.

[–]Hailteni NaHalitenina[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But let's not play down how hard the game is. Without becoming "black pilled" and completely giving up, we should acknowledge that it's a competitive world out there and there is no substitute for grinding hard in life.

+1

There are two types of people in the world.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is true. This dude is an outlier. He may as well be a sports player in a masters program going to a top university on a scholarship. That shit isn't everyone. The majority of us are just trying to make it through the drag net to get to where the feeding frenzy is.

[–]ArchetypicalDegen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Honestly, you sound super bitter, and like your standards are absolutely way too high. You're also making things out to be super binary. It's not a choice between Plain Jane and Sexy Sally. There are some incredibly attractive women out there with unique tastes in men.

The women that go for guys in expensive penthouses and who drive Ferraris, they aren't the kind of women you want to go after. They look pretty, but are usually pretty vain. You can find someone just as pretty who has a good enough head on her that she looks for deeper traits than net worth and physicality.

It sounds like you're just being a defeatist and making excuses because you only want the absolute best women.

[–]GuitarHero07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>The women that go for guys in expensive penthouses and who drive Ferraris, they aren't the kind of women you want to go after. They look pretty, but are usually pretty vain. You can find someone just as pretty who has a good enough head on her that she looks for deeper traits than net worth and physicality.

I specifically said in my post that you don't need to drive Ferraris and be build like an action hero to get attractive girls. So I don't where you're getting this from.

>It sounds like you're just being a defeatist and making excuses because you only want the absolute best women.

I don't think you read my post very closely. Either that or your reading comprehension is rather poor. I never said that there is only a Sexy Sally and Plain Jane. But I think it's obvious that there will always be a high level of competition for the most attractive women. Most of us here aren't competing with the bottom 80% Even a fat slob can get with some girls if he wants too....probably just not the ones he really wants.

[–]Adorable_Lengthiness 44 points45 points  (18 children)

This is a great follow up that strikes home for me. According to the other OP's post, I'm a top 20%, if not top 10% on all of the items listed in that post, except n-count. I'm almost 30, 6'4", 200lbs with average looks, average dick size, earn over 100k in tech field, have zero debt and solid savings, great hobbies and passions that excite me and I have all of the typical puzzle pieces that should make me successful in the dating field. However, I have an absolutely abysmal n-count. Or at least, an abysmal n-count if focusing on the last 5 years of my life.

I've only slept with 10-15 women in my lifetime (I've forgotten most of them) with most of them being from when I was 14-23. After 23, I had no action for 2 years and then got into my first ever relationship with one shitshow of a girl for a few years that I then ended almost 2 years ago after realizing how bad it was for me. Since then, I've only had one disappointing drunk hookup in some backwater town with a girl way below my standards just out of sheer desperation to get my rocks off with someone so that I could feel wanted sexually.

No matter how much of a 20, 10, or 5-percenter or whatever the hell percentage I am in income/cock size/n-count/etc., it does absolutely nothing to make up for my lack of social skills and ability to advertise my value. If anything, it frustrates me even more because I feel, and more importantly know, how valuable I am, but nothing comes of it because how the fuck is anyone except me supposed to know how fucking awesome I am when I don't say or do anything to show it?! Nevertheless, the disconnect between knowing how valuable you are internally and other people looking at me and seeing someone far less valuable externally is a wonderfully terrible combination for fucking with your psyche and slowing you down or stopping you altogether from fixing the issues you have and getting better.

That's not to say I'm not trying to do something about it. I'm here. I'm reading. I'm lifting. I'm thinking. I'm trying to progress. However, I've always been good at those things. The part I have yet to figure out and wrap my head around is how the fuck do I advertise myself. What I need right now is a class titled "Marketing Me: How to Sell Yourself", because if there's anything I've learned up till now, it's that I sure as shit don't know how to do it myself.​

Good hygiene

Matching clothes

Furniture that isn’t disgusting

A clean apartment

At least one skill that can also be sexual (I learned massage and own a table)

A career you care about, or at least working towards one

Attending social events that are not just about drinking

A dating profile that doesn’t have just bathroom selfies

A social circle of people that are interesting

Hobbies that she will want to be a part of (rock climbing for me)

Lists like this are a great step in the right direction for me and are greatly appreciated. Now I just have to figure out what the fuck matching clothes and non-disgusting furniture are lol. I'm currently renting a room so all I can really do is work on my little private slice of paradise, but clothing wise I'm dressing and grooming like I'm still in high school with not much effort or thought put into anything (t-shirts/jeans to work, unkempt facial hair, etc.).

It sounds like my best steps are to:

  • get my wardrobe revamped at a high quality store (where?)
  • get and set a grooming schedule - haircut, beard trim, eyebrows, pedicure/manicure, etc.
  • figure out how the fuck to sell myself in person rather than hoping that HB8 across the bar can read my mind and see how fucking cool I think I am in my head lol
  • $$$
  • Profit?

[–]1Ramesses_ 34 points35 points  (9 children)

I have found a consistent theme with guys who are on paper very attractive but struggle in real life to get laid:

  1. Not skilled or used to taking initiative with women
  2. Way too high pressure on themselves to succeed in every interaction with women

On the first point one of the most important skills is simply making the move. The move = the two and only two keys to making this shit happen: isolation and escalation. Being attractive is useless without driving your interactions towards those two things. Ask the legions of guys you'll find on here with stories of girls they could have fucked if only they'd made a move. Or even worse the guys who are genuinely good looking but didn't get laid for years.

Your job as a man is to get alone time with a woman and gently, consistently escalate the interaction. Simple steps. Start with light touches (hand on arm/shoulder, playful pushes, even simple handshakes or hug/kiss hello). Then slowly up the ante. Move into her personal space, be more overt with the touching. Eventually the kiss, etc. Likewise with isolation. If you start somewhere crowded move things to somewhere more intimate. Progressively get more and more private til you're somewhere you can take all of her clothes off without anyone seeing.

Regarding point 2, when you want it too much it tenses you up. The key to women is to escalate while not caring. As long as you're invested in your moves working and she can sense that she'll be horribly turned off. I know it's hard but you need to find a way to approach these interactions without caring if they work or not.

Think about this man. Literally everything on earth that you could do you will do better if you're relaxed. Doesn't matter if it's women, surgery, welding, sales or simple social interactions. Being relaxed always allows you to better execute your skills. So the solution is obvious then isn't it: RELAX! I know though. Easier said than done.

You will be fine man. Some guys isolate and escalate naturally. But it's something you can easily learn. If you're already attractive you will be successful. It's inevitable. You simply need to target women who are receptive to you to start with. It's guaranteed success. Start to get a bit of momentum and confidence. The more of that feeling that shows the more receptive women you will find. And don't forget. You can't win them all. Even if you're Brad Pitt there will still be girls who prefer George Clooney. Nobody can get all of them. Nobody. So try and be a bit easier on yourself. We all strike out.

[–]As32b 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I have no problem establishing initial attaction .I escalate pretty aggressively and I feel like it's always going great until I try to bring the girl to my place.

They often make up some shit like "I need to see my friends" etc. After that I feel like everything just dries off.

Do you have any idea what I could do to fix this?

[–]1Ramesses_ 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah man but context matters. Are these dates or attempted same night lays? A bit of resistance is normal. Contrary to popular belief women need to feel attraction AND comfort for you to close the deal. We unconsciously label women sluts and dismiss them as valueless if they don't need much or any comfort to fuck you.

It's gentle continuous escalation not consistent aggressive escalation. If you're not getting anywhere it's not a big deal, you're just going too hard too fast which sets off their inner alarm bells. Keep at what you're doing but try pulling back at times and varying the pace. An example of this would be a passionate kiss followed by breaking physical contact and going to get a drink.

Being more detached from the whole thing will help you. I know it's hard at first but once you have a consistent rotation of plates on your roster you won't really give a fuck with new girls half the time and then it becomes incredibly easy.

So it's a two step process for you to practice in future: 1. Slow it down. 2. Vary the tempo (ie two steps forward one step back with everything)

[–]As32b 0 points1 point  (1 child)

These are usually at parties since I'm a student. But yeah, solid advice, thank you. I think I've just got the "Strike when iron is hot"-mentality from here. Maybe switching up the tempo could be the best for me.

[–]1Ramesses_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I see. Ok I'm a bit old for student parties but I'm guessing if you slow it down a bit you will crack it pretty fast.

Don't know how much of an option this will be for you but in the old days we used to plan dates across multiple venues slowly leading to your place with plausible deniability. For example you'd go from a loud nightclub or a place with live music to a more quiet bar to something to eat to I've got to show you the view/some item at my apartment.

Even when clubbing this is a brilliant strategy because it's soooo much easier to get a girl to a different bar with the relative safety net of her friends nearby than back to your apartment. I would always try and get girls to go to multiple venues with me before getting them to mine. That way by the time the night ends you feel like you've known each other ten times longer.

[–]AllThatJack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This..... DGAF

IM 53, 5’8” avg... well dressed but not peacocking, per the op, nice pad, clean, etc... love to cook, skydive, travel, I have my own life and it’s INTERESTING.

Not setting any records nor do I care to but if the urge strikes me, getting laid is easy, has been ever since the day I realized I DGAF. Women sense this and it drives them apeshit.

It’s easy to keep frame when you DGAF. Age doesn’t matter nor much else. Per other posters, I don’t go for top tier, I’ve had em and largely I find most of them irritating.

Great post if for nothing else when you’ve got an interesting life, people are drawn to you....

Great stuff

[–]Hysol78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is my main issue, I enjoy kino so much that I'm coming off as thirsty when i'm honestly not.

[–]187oddfuture 7 points8 points  (1 child)

  1. You can't completely revamp your wardrobe from one store. I just recently bought a shit ton of new clothes, and I must've gotten them from at least 20 different stores. Start with outlets. They carry last year's name brand clothes for steep discounts. Unlike tech, clothes aren't out of date six months after they're made. Anything along the lines of "that's so 2017" or whatever is just a meme. If the clothes fit good, and they're generic textiles, they're almost timeless. Along this line, shop seasonally. Stores give deep discounts on their out of season clothes (think winter clothes in spring/summer) and vice versa. Great chance to scoop up some quality threads. Read men's style blogs or search some instas to get an idea of the look you want, or for the conformist, for the look the average man in your field wears. Where you buy your clothes doesn't matter, it's how they look, and how they FIT. My favorite and best fitting shirt is a button down I got from Burlington Coat Factory for $14 as a joke for a Halloween costume. You just get lucky sometimes.
  2. Grooming. Easily researched. You work in tech. Google is literally a click away. Type something into the fucking searchbar bro. Shave every day or two. If you have a beard, buy a decent beard trimmer (think $40) and trim every 3 days if you want to keep your current length. Every time you go to a QUALITY BARBER, have them give you a straight razor shave. Shit changes lives. Don't shy away from having your barber trim your eyebrows. If he's a legit professional, he understands that eyebrow care/trimming is not gay and is not something to be embarrassed about, it's necessary. Typically men don't get manicures or pedicures. No one looks at your feet, they're in shoes all day. Our hands are supposed to be a bit rough and calloused, it shows that we work hard and is a masculine trait. Chicks dig it. Just trim your fingernails weekly and your toenails whenever they start getting long. Just shower every day and that should be enough moisture for your hands/feet, moisturizer is for women to get unnaturally soft/moist skin.
  3. Learn some game. It just comes down to confidence, which is most naturally conveyed through an IDGAF mentality. You shouldn't care whether you succeed or fail with women. There's no consequence. You know your value, so just approach and talk. If she doesn't like you, or can't see your worth, then she's dumb and it's her loss. I guarantee you don't put yourself out there almost at all. To get chicks, you have to play the game. There aren't any shortcuts. Read up on style, groom, and then throw on your best new outfit, hit the town, and mack on some bitches. You'd be surprised what a little game and fashion can do for today's man.
  4. You can never have too much money.
  5. You don't profit from women. They are natural consumers and men are natural providers. Don't fall into the trap of taking bitches out on $100 dinner dates. That doesn't lead to sex. Re-read the post and read the comments one more time because the best dates are lowkey, low investment dates. They test for connection, leave an out for both parties, and can easily be escalated into sex at one of your places if everything goes well. Plus, follow up dates at your place become much easier because she's already comfortable with you, and the frame is already pre-established that she fucked you at your place after drinks, so why go through the trouble of going to the best restaurant in town when you can cook a meal at your place? Simple.
  6. Also, last thing. Pay close attention to when OP mentions how he had that doctor over the second time. He asked her if she liked Sci-Fi. She said no. So he threw on the new Blade Runner anyway. (Impeccable choice, fucking phenomenal movie) Culture your bitch. Do shit you like, if she likes you, she'll follow. Doing things you like will naturally make you at ease, which will directly increase your feeling of DNGAF, which will lead to better outcomes and eventually more sex. Realistically, she doesn't care what movie you watch together. She asked to come over because she wants to get dick after a long shift at work, and doesn't want to overtly ask for it. (Get hip to Plausible Deniability) Facilitate it. You shouldn't have to put much work in to get laid. Bitches give plenty of signals, you just need to act on them. In fact, her asking to come over is incredibly overt to her. What's the last thing she did when she came over? She sucked your dick and then nearly broke your bed. She wants that again, so give it to her.

[–]hearse223 4 points5 points  (0 children)

6 was very impressive because I personally would have just put the genre the woman preferred, rather than try to expand her taste. Interesting!

[–]xunilive 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Look at how men in Los Angeles dress. If you prefer a certain type then look at how men dress like in that area. For example, men in Venice dress differently than men in Hollywood, Long Beach, Hermosa, Downtown LA etc. Look up Lounges, bars, clubs or whatever your into and see what they wear. Do the same in different big cities, after all trends tend to start there.

[–]throwargie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

tech field

This is your problem, dude. No women in tech field. Petrol exploration engineers are top alpha males, big, burly, masculine and earn shitloads of money, but they see a women once every 6 months. They don't fuck either.

[–]Systral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've already slept with twice the average.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter how much money you make as a computer scientist unless your zuckerberg because the lifestyle itself creates dudes who're deficient & socially inept in certain respects. There are people who're professional promoters thatve never had trouble fucking whenever they feel like it. Regardless of how much money the pulled that weekend; aside from being broke.

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just travel, man. Do you get a lot of vacation time in your job? Travel to Southeast Asia. Or Latin America.

Don't let the stigma of sex tourism bother you. I did it. I traveled and then moved abroad because of women. And you know what? It fixed my life.

I'm not telling you to move abroad. Just travel. Get Tinder Plus and start swiping in your location a week or two in advance. Watch your SMV skyrocket. PM me if you'd like more detailed advice.

[–]randomTATRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oddfuture gave you some great advice.

My $0.02 about clothes: A good friend once a looooooong time ago (when I was like 12) told me when dressing when you're a man.. Never mix more than 3 colors. Two is great, three is already a bit bad. I'd say it's a valid advice.

And about buying clothes. No need to buy high quality stuff. I tried on a fitted tshirt that's five bucks and it looks fucking great on me. Everyone I sent the pic to said it looks great. Plain white tshirt. Took another black one and another black one with a bigger size (for training and shit, and there weren't anymore Ss).

Search this sub for 'dressing' and you'll find a lengthy post about it, it helped me (but apply some common sense, the guy said you should wear boots, I'd say boots and only plain shirts at 23 are a bit weird). The most important thing is definitely FITTED. Trust me.

[–]StoneColdStevePossum 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Hey, I’m not sure how you guys feel about women posting here. I admittedly follow this sub mostly for...entertainment. But I can assure you that this post is true. I’m active in the dating scene, and a dude who even kind of tries is a magical unicorn.

Put in even just slightly more effort than JoeBob down the road and your chances of getting laid or finding a woman or whatever your goal is will massively increase.

Picture it this way, I take an hour to get ready every day, I clean every day, I cook every day, and then I have JoeBob texting me to go to his cold sad apartment. That’s not what I want. I want someone who matches my effort.

[–]ThisPlaceIsNiice 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm sure this is the case in pretty much every country to some extent, but some even more than others. Where are you from? I'm from Germany and am told by the women that men can't flirt to save their lives and are boring as fuck on dates.

When I was in Poland and Spain, the feedback was different. So it depends on the country somewhat.

[–]1Kurush559 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im interested - what was the feedback like in the other countries you visited?

[–]GymMeJimmy 58 points59 points  (21 children)

I noticed girls really appreciate when you cook for them, they usually offer to wash the dishes. Just putting in effort will give the ability to fuck these women to sleep.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 72 points73 points  (13 children)

Yep. Most men can’t cook, let alone well. Not only is it impressive, but it’s one of the single smartest and most rewarding skills you can have in regards to your own health and finances. Doesn’t hurt that it ups your attractiveness ten fold.

[–]GymMeJimmy 10 points11 points  (12 children)

What's a good recipe that you like to cook for females? I agree with you, many male coaches say taking care of your health and finances attracts women.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 89 points90 points  (8 children)

It depends. If it’s someone new, ask her dietary restrictions first. You don’t want to cook steak for a vegetarian. Assuming she’s not, go with steak.

Buy two steaks, the thicker the better. I like filets, but strip steak and ribeye are fine if you don’t want to drop the money on the more expensive cuts.

Preheat your oven to 200 degrees and put a skillet on your stove, crank it up to high heat. Rub the steaks, both sides, with a cut clove of garlic (you should see the juices on the garlic), salt, pepper. If you have some rosemary break it up awhile. Drop a giant knob of butter into the skillet when it’s hot. Put both steaks in, and make sure to turn on your vent because it’s going to smoke. You want about 3 minutes on each side.

Lift it up a bit and make sure it’s dark but not burnt. While it is cooking, use a spoon to scoop up the melted butter and coat the top of the steaks. Once it looks done on one side, the way it would come out at a steak house, flip them over. Another 3 minutes to get the same slight crisp on the other side.

After that, drop them both on an oven pan that you lined with tin foil for easy cleanup. Put another knob of butter right on top of each steak, and then put them in the oven for 30 minutes. Afterwards, take them out and rub the rosemary on them. Cut them up into strips and put each one on its own plate. Fill up two glasses with dry red wine, preferably merlot (don’t spend less than $14 or more than $25 on a bottle). Bonus points if you can dim your lights, light some candles (go with CedarWood scent), and play “Chill Out Radio” on Pandora. Enjoy the steaks, tell her she’s sexy, and have great sex afterwards.

[–]BarryMcCaulkener 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Fuck can you just live my life for me? Or at least sign me up for your motivational newsletter that has this exact kind of perfect but oddly specific advice?

[–]TheLanternFlame 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lol, this became a cooking thread immediately. Great recipe btw. Another tip for those who don't know how to cook steak, the muscle on your inner lower (palm side) thumb is the feeling you must get for medium rare.

[–]BL4CK_CAT 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Great recipe, but this point:

and then put them in the oven for 30 minutes

i'd recommend you get a simple thermometer to read the core temp. it's the only way you'll get a guaranteed perfect steak

Also, you can make a killer gravy with the fond that has build up in the pan

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I would recommend getting one of the oven safe thermometers that you stick into the meat. You can set a temperature and it will beep when it hits that temp.

[–]omega_dawg93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

steam some broccoli or mash some potatoes to go with the steaks.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 7 points8 points  (0 children)

if you want something that can blow your mind and mouth (hehe) at every bite but is also sensual to eat and not "gross" oily manly-meat-burger, you can learn to cook risotto.
to master it, though, is not for the faint of heart.
two nice "simple" risotto are risotto alla milanese and risotto with mushrooms, or a bit more complex ingredient-wise is black rice with zucchini and shrimp, although it's a more "dry" risotto, so less sensual.
upside is that regardless of what she likes to eat or can't eat, you can change the recipe to fit the ingredients (unless she can't eat rice)

[–]Hjalmbere 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For the culinary challenged: Get some fresh salad, buy some readymade pasta sauce, fry meatballs and mix in pasta sauce*. Cook some pasta. Light some candles and serve some really good wine. You’re already way ahead of the competition.

*Make sure you dispose of the jar so she can’t tell you’ve been cheating. If she asks you for the ingredients just wink and tell her it’s a secret.

[–]cliffhung 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My goto for day to day meals for a while now has been a pokè bowl style rice dish with any combination of meat, beans, and fresh or stir fried veggies. As with many things, the ability to make good tasting food is just as important as the ability to work with confidence. Steaks are great date night food, but simply cooking from recipes enough to know how to improvise gives you a massive leg up in flexibility.

This is especially important if you're in a LTR or seeing a girl repeatedly. Knowing a recipe gets you in the door, my personal favorite is tri tip steak. Knowing how to stir fry, steam or bake together something good from available ingredients is an attractive skill to have, in addition to being immensely useful to workout meal planning and fitness.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 11 points12 points  (2 children)

My go-to second date is to cook my special chicken alfredo pasta recipe, never fails, they always end up in my bed.

[–]Orral187 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Pasta makes me bloated and feel unsexy x

[–]KarmicPrism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You don't have to eat 5 plates you fatty! 😂 <3

[–]universalabundance1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Somebody has been watching AMS ;)

[–]GymMeJimmy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit how did you know? I fr changed my life after his video of how to live 2018. Great context.

[–]JustinDell990 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Chad can serve his girl a pile of his own shit and she will gladly eat it.

[–]simplisticallysimple -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Too much work, what the fuck? Is this the type of comment that gets upvoted here, doing shit for a woman? Just ask them to come over and chill. THIS is how you rack up an n-count of upwards 100 or even 200. I don't understand guys' resistance to the radical idea of asking a woman to come over and chill for the first date. Why are you fighting it? It works, and any guy with 100+ lays knows it works. How repeatable is this cooking for a woman tactic? Are you seriously going to cook up a meal each time you want to fuck a woman?

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (20 children)

Good post man. I agree completely. I just graduated college and the state of guys my age is pitiful for the most part. Especially hygiene and wardrobe.

I feel like people on this sub underestimate how much just doing the fucking basics raises your SMV.

I see guys out at bars who have fingernails a full inch long, wearing fucking sports jerseys like the guys you mentioned in your post. Unless these guys are Adonis' or have 10/10 game there's just no way they're getting laid.

I discovered TRP about a year ago and although I definitely wasn't a bum by any means, the small changes I made made me so much more appealing.

  • I started going to the barber every 2-3 weeks instead of every 6.

  • Revamped my wardrobe for around $500 bucks in order to dress like a well put-together man.

  • Plucking my eyebrows once a week.

  • Treating myself to a pedicure about once every 2 months. I know it sounds pretty gay but your feet feel amazing afterwards and they scrape off all the dead skin. The place I go to basically does a half pedicure half foot massage type routine. It's also an activity I do with my younger sister to bond a bit.

  • Cleaning my damn room. I'm back living at home for 6-12 months while I start working to save some money but when I was at school my room in the house I rented was impeccable. I HATE cleaning. But I forced myself to do it every day.

  • Decorating my room. All I did was get furniture and bed sheets that actually matched as well as hung some framed vintage movie posters on the wall. Got a rock lamp for some mood lighting and voila. My room was better than 99% of college guys.

I'm saving this post so I can give it another read when I'm less tired but this was a very good article. I think once I get settled into my job and move out I'm gonna take your advice and take massage lessons. That's honestly genius.

[–]pFlap 3 points4 points  (4 children)

How does one go about plucking one's eyebrows without severely fucking it up? Do you do it yourself or get it professionally done?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess the one good thing about growing up in a household with two sisters near my age is that they taught me that kind of stuff.

I don’t pluck mine in a feminine way though. If you’re inexperienced just start by plucking the “strays”.

Look up YouTube tutorials too.

[–]AssDefect20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alpha M has a good youtube tutorial.

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

My barber did it for me, he used a comb and scissors. I have no idea how OP does it by himself, I don't think I would.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YouTube is your friend. It’s not as scary as it looks.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Make 100k & having no debt isn't "basics".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Where did I say you have to make 100k? If you make 72k/yr before tax you're in the top 20% of earners in America. Naturally most people will start lower than that but there's no reason you can't reach that by your late 20's if you apply yourself at your job.

And yes having no debt is really fucking basic. If your parents can't afford to pay for your whole college, then go to a community college for 1-2 years then transfer to a regular school to save literally tens of thousands of dollars.

Don't max out your credit card like a retard.

The only debt a person in their young 20's should have is a car loan and maybe a mortgage on a rental property if they can afford it.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Okay man. I'm telling you life isn't that simple, it's messy & the bottom pile is deep. It takes almost a lifetime of work & some luck to accomplish earnings & stability that you're referencing. & that's just to get into the "consideration" category; the qualifying round. I spent basically this entire year working & I'm starting from square 1 because the company's/business effectively going under.

This dudes story about being a computer scientist that makes 150k & spends his time trolling Tinder for random bitches to fuck isn't the norm.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

And I'm telling you that you can easily be financially secure. 90% of people are just retarded with money. Do you realize if you have no debt and $0 in your savings account you are ahead of like 80% of the population?

One of the main reasons people can't retire as early is because they're fucking trapped in this uber-materialistic society we live in.

People live way above their means. Eating out twice a day, living in homes/apartments they can barely afford, driving cars they can also can barely afford. Just because you CAN afford an apartment that costs 2 grand a month doesn't mean you should rent one.

Making 72k/year isn't really that hard to do by your late mid-to-late 20's where I live (near NYC).

One of the main tenants of TRP is discipline. It's easy to spend money and hard as hell to have the mental fortitude to save and save a lot. I graduated college with zero debt due to the help of my parents and with around 15k in savings because they instilled in me the value of saving money. I sure as hell don't want to be working til I'm fucking 60. I want to retire by 45 and after that earn passive income through rental properties or owning a business.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (5 children)

That true but women are spendthrifts they're expensive by their nature. Even if I can survive on my own, their demands of a lifestyle are going to set you back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So that's why you don't pay for shit for a woman who isn't your LTR and if she is your LTR then don't spend retardedly on her.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Dating is expensive. Aside from the competitive nature of it that's why alot of guys opt for LTR's because all those restaurants, coffee dates, movie tickets, carnivals, concerts; everything starts to add up. Even if it's just for you. That money could be going to an asset that gins value rather then pissing time away on some random girls "maybe". Dating for men is inherently an investment & if you don't there are plenty of beta-thirtsy ass dudes that will do it in your stead just to have her as arm candy. You're basically paying for her time just to spend it around her.

  • Also, 72k is peanuts NYC standard of living/vs/quality of life is adjusted for where you live(gin-coefficient), buddy. These things are not as simple, strait forward as you make it seem.

All this bitch does is grab a dress & her purse & say, "I wonder where this dudes taking me out tonight."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So stop taking women out on expensive dates for fuck's sake.

Take her hiking or go to the beach or some shit. If a girl expects you to take her on expensive dates then ditch her ass. Movie dates are reserved for LTRs anyways.

No one is forcing you to spend money on these hoes. That is your choice. Even if she is paying her own way stop going on dates that force you to spend money.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"Other dudes will" this article is supposedly claiming that your competitors are horseshit but that's exactly the Fucking problem. Most dudrs are so aggressive that to outcompete them you have to put in some serious time unless you just have natural status or attraction/chemistry/game enough to make random bitches fuck you. Dating in America's super rigged. Like had to see it with my own eyes to believe it, rigged man.

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What do you do at the barber? Just get a haircut every 2-3 weeks? Or does he trim your beard too?

A haircut every 2-3 weeks seems too frequent but maybe that's a good idea.

I don't mind spending money on clothes, the problem is I have no idea what I'm supposed to buy. I've tried reading a lot of the MaleFashionAdvice sub in the past, but I don't know, fashion just doesn't click for me. I don't really know what I'm doing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He does trim my beard but I groom my beard almost every day myself as well. I trim it down with an electric razor then shave my neck with a regular razor.

I get one every 2-3 weeks because I get the sides of my head faded down to a 1. So within 2-3 weeks my sides are already grown out and it just doesn't look as good.

My barber also charges me 15 bucks for a cut. So when you break down the cost per week, it's 5 bucks/week to keep my hair looking really nice. I know people who spend more than that every day at starbucks.

Also in terms of your fashion problem I'd be wary of looking at MFA. They have some great advice but they also have some terrible advice mixed in. They have a preferred aesthetic across the board. And if you follow their advice you'll end up looking like every basic bitch out there.

The best thing about MFA is how they describe how to get good fitting clothes which is an absolute must.

I just kind of found my own style by shopping at H&M and forever 21.

I'd recommend checking out this youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBTwIbtr0Rw

He has some great videos on style tips. Just FYI his channel has gotten a lot more clickbaity and in his newer videos he will try to shill some sponsored product but just ignore all that shit. Send me a PM with why exactly you think you're failing at fashion and I can send a more detailed message.

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You shave your whole neck, interesting. I have a beard up to right around the top of my adam's apple, and then shave all the hair below that line. I do trim my whole beard, but maybe I should shave my whole neck too. Don't know, worth a thought.

Thanks for the tips. Maybe I'll dress up for a date one of these days and pm you a pic for a critique.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have my beard down to a point that's about at the midway point between the top of my adam's apple and my jawline.

And yeah feel free to send a pic over. For guys starting out with fashion I'd just recommend getting the basics right. First of all to start, almost everything looks better on you if you're in good shape so work on that if you aren't already. Secondly, just start small and expand your wardrobe over time. Get 1-2 pairs of good jeans and consider taking them to a tailor to get them fitted. Get 2-3 plain white t-shirts, 1 black t shirt, and 1 navy one.

Also people underrated how important shoes are for fashion. Shoes are one of the first things people notice about your fashion and they say a lot about you. If you're wearing some shitty sneakers with holes in them people will notice. Learn how to clean and take good care of your shoes and do it often! The easiest way to keep your shoes in good condition is to have a big collection and rotate them. Obviously if you wear the same pair 7 days a week they're gonna break down quickly.

You don't have to collect to the extent I do because I just love shoes but I have about ~20 in my collection and here's how they're broken down:

  • ~13 pairs of sneakers. One pair are my lifting shoes, one pair are my performance basketball shoes, and one pair are my "beaters" that I can match with basically any outfit and just throw on. The rest range from adidas/nike trainers to vans to jordans.

  • 3 pairs of dress shoes in different colors. Shoes that I can wear with a suit or make a business casual outfit look crisp.

  • 5 pairs of boots. One pair of chukka boots, one pair of military style boots, one pair of black leather boots, one pair of winter boots, and a pair of timbs to fuck around in lol.

I have a cubicle shelf that looks sort of like this to store them: http://homart.us/wp-content/uploads/shoe-cubicles-shoe-cub-storage-cardboard-shoe-storage-cubbies-youtube.jpg

I have shoe fresheners for every pair and stuff tissue paper into them when I'm not using them to make sure they don't crease. I also make sure to clean the white ones after every use basically. I have 3 year old shoes that look and smell like they just came out of the box.

I go a lot harder than most people I know but I get compliments on my footwear all the time.

[–]throwargie -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

WTF dude, that's the most gayest thing you can do. Plucking your eyebrows? decorating your room? fucking pedicure??? wtf, is this a joke post? if that's what you need to do to get women, fuck women then, I prefer to grease my motorcycle.

[–]tempolaca 13 points14 points  (6 children)

I'm about 5'8 and I hate that a dumb asshole that does absolutely nothing with his life but he's 6'3 bascially is instant 10%, and I have to bust my ass only to scratch 20%. Can't imagine how's for the 5'5 guys out there.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Simply being 6'3" doesn't put you in the top 10% of guys. Top percent of height, sure, but there are plenty of tall, goofy, lanky guys out there not getting laid because they're awkward. There's also short guys who pull chicks left and right. My brother is about 5'6" and has spent most of his life dating almost anyone he wants, because of the way he carries himself and his social status.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Tell me more about his social status.

[–]iBchyllen247365 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you feel you have to “bust your ass” to “scratch” the top 20%, you desperately need a reframing of how you look at shit.

The average dude is such slob that you can be 5’5 and get bitches just by putting down the Fortnite, hitting the gym religiously and working on goals/not being an apathetic POS.

You really don’t need much to be ahead these days.

[–]tempolaca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know lots of 5'5 guys, hell they are the majority. Thing is they are always single, and their LTRs last very little. They fuck, but have to fight a lot for it, and usually don't last. It's the same with fatties. Compare it with the tall guys, they never are single.

[–]ozenmacher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am 5'5", I do fine, but yes, obviously you need to put in more effort. At the end of the day you are using your height as a crutch and it probably will have an effect on your confidence. In fact the very act of being mad at a "chad" shows you need to focus more on yourself and not on others. My life experience as a RP man has continually shown me confidence is absolutely KEY for attracting most women. If you are 6'3" and shy and nervous and socially awkward, good luck. If you are 5'8" and socially awkward or lacking confidence, it just won't happen. Putting yourself first and being a little arrogant and cocky about your own attributes can go a long way. You are probably selling yourself short. Don't do that.

[–]TheBadGoy 46 points47 points  (9 children)

In my opinion it's better to promote a more competitive mentality than saying "You don't need to try that hard" simply because the sexual market will only get tougher in the future.

I do agree that you should be fun, charismatic and have a strong frame. Usually charisma is what gets her in your bed.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 50 points51 points  (3 children)

I should be clear that I’m not advocating that you shouldn’t try hard. I think you should aim to excel in all things you do. My point is that the bar to do well is much lower than guys realize, to the point where simply the fact that you’re trying at all is often enough to impress women. Most men do next to nothing.

[–]graceful_aggression 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand what you are saying. What LordOftheReptiles is saying is that, don't overestimate the competition. People sometimes are overly critical of themselves, and to avoid that, requires a reality check sometimes. Similar to let's say a guy earning $200K a year which may think to himself, in his field, with his performance, should be earning twice as much. He gets a broader reality check by knowing that 200K globally is already very high. It's so that you're not stuck in a negative mindset of "it's never enough", I think. Push yourself but be proud along the way.

[–]Gamelova 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Right, but the real issue is guys complain about their experience with women, become MGTOW, mysogynytic, bluepilled, -whatever, maybe ask for advice, but bottomline, they don't do anything about it.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It is easier to complain about the results you aren't getting than it is to do something to fix it.

[–]always_sad12 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Why and how do you think the SMP will become more competitive?

[–]TheBadGoy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Have you seen women today? Instagram has fucked with their mind so much that they actually believe they are models. Average as fuck girls promoting products, being endorsed and tons of Dubai shitters offering them money. I'm truly amazed at the size of their egos.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This, in combination with Tinder.

You take a girl that's a 5. Put her on Tinder and she quickly realizes every time she swipes right, it's a match.

Does she consider the fact that it's because guys swipe right on every girl? Of course not.

They use it to inflate their ego and the 5 now believes she is a 9.

[–]88VILLI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of guys here are giving/given up because it seems impossible if you don’t have any direction. This post is helpful to those guys in the sense that it should provide some motivation because it’s in your hands and it’s really not that difficult.

It should also help guys in monk mode who are stuck reading theory after theory to become a dating god and skipping over the simple steps mentioned in the post. I think we are missing out on this point of view in TRP, judging by askTRP as OP mentioned. It’s easy to get caught in the bubble of ‘do this, do that, be an alpha, don’t be a beta’. Which is great, don’t be a pushover, but it’s not going to help if it’s the only thing someone thinks is important.

[–]expansion101 13 points14 points  (1 child)

  • There's 330 million people in America.
  • 165 million are male.
  • Let's assume 124 million of them are adults.
  • 20% of that is almost 25 million.
  • Consider how many men are fat, lazy, too old, etc. which can't even compete
  • You have to fill one spot in 25 million; many men aren't even trying to.

[–]busyfit321 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When one man can service very, very many women, enough are trying to make the market place quite competitive.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Boston is a great city to be a single guy, lots of women doing graduate studies and have a certain bar you have to meet, which most loser guys in the city don't meet, which means feasting for the rest of us.

[–]trollreign 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Charisma needs to be mentioned here. It's a skill that lets you mingle with men and charm women. Charisma will let you advertise yourself and "radiate" the value that you were born with or have developed (i.e. salary, height, handsomeness, muscles, career, hobbies, etc).

We men on this sub avoid the expression "charisma" like the bubonic plague. I suspect the reason for this is that there still isn't an alchemical formula for developing it. I still don't see any quality advice on how to improve charisma, and frankly I'm not convinced that it's even possible. The very fact that this thought process leads to what is basically a black pill conclusion, is probably the reason why the topic is rarely brought up.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Charisma = [perceived] power + attention + warmth/beneficence.

[–]conflagratorX 22 points23 points  (27 children)

Do you really think that things like:

  1. Salary

  2. Clean apartment

  3. Furniture

  4. Career

allows you to attract women on Tinder?

[–]422456 59 points60 points  (3 children)

These things you listed can be linked into the interior confidence that is then projected into the the outside world. By internally mastering yourself and your life, you can then pay more attention to the outside world. You will get nowhere in the outside world if your inside world is a mess.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This, exactly. What does a woman see when she walks into an apartment that is a mess and looks like shit? A guy who is a mess. Someone who doesn't put effort into little things that are easily doable is a guy who doesn't take bigger things seriously.

[–]celincelin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bad hamster.

The right answer is, “no, none of that matters on Tinder”.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

No, I don't think a clean apartment and nice furniture make you more attractive on Tinder. They make you more attractive when a woman walks into your apartment. Good pictures that show you doing things, being social, and are taken with a good camera make you attract more women on Tinder. Women on Tinder don't know how much money I make. They can tell I do well financially when they see my place, but at that point it is sort of irrelevant because I have already done and said other things that made them want to come over in the first place.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I dont have anything to contribute other than smiling at another man who has found the same things as I in life are effective at attracting women.

This is the kind of content I like to see here, simple, effective and undeniable.

On with ya bad self, go make some pasta for some unsuspecting HB8 :)

[–]conflagratorX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

at that point it is sort of irrelevant because I have already done and said other things that made them want to come over in the first place

Exactly, so points I mentioned are rather irrelevant for attraction, they might matter for ltr though.

[–]Zappyx -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Unless your appartment is horrendously dirty and depressing I don't see the added value of decorating your room for the sake of looking more appealing.

The moment I know she is coming with me back to my place - I'm quite sure getting the lay will not be the hardest part of the night.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't do it for other people, I do it for me. I like having an aesthetically pleasing place, and I work from home a lot so I don't want to live in a boring looking apartment. Literally every person that has been over has commented on how good it looks, which admittedly I don't hate hearing. Interior design is just something I enjoy, and always have.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the story in The Game. You know, the kid that can't afford to share a room at "Planet Hollywood", but they let him stay in a fucking shed in the back yard. Kid learns pick up, pulls hotties back to his shed! OK,, make or break time, he was in his 20s so he would spin it as "fun" or "cool" (As a man in my 6th decade, there's no way I could pull that off, but I do live in a very shitty efficiency). About half of the women would bail at that point. HALF! Just "Fuck this!" and walk away. But half would stay. And fuck him. And some of those came back again later.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (14 children)

lol good point. also $130k yearly is a shitload of money for like 90% of the usa population. thats simply not attainable for everybody, even if they try super hard and do the right things, only a small % of people can make over $100k.

$130k puts you in like the TOP 10%...

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 20 points21 points  (9 children)

I made smart investments and took my career seriously when I was in my 20's. When I was 30, I was offered a six figure salary after gaining tech skills that are marketable. I was a philosophy major in college with a C average. My first job after college was pushing shopping carts at Costco. Everything that got me to where I am today are attainable online (i.e. learning how to program) for very little money. Udemy offers courses for $20 that teach you how to program.

[–]endertheend 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Which Udemy courses would you recommend?

[–]Psychocist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I taught myself programming 8 years back and have been in full-stack web development for almost a decade (mostly contracting, but also full-time for 3 years). The answer entirely depends on your preferences. Web development: JavaScript. Game development: C++. Enterprise: Java or C#. Mobile apps: Swift.

It is a vast industry and every single thread leads onto another thread which turns into a 2-year rabbit-hole of technology. Labyrinthine is a good word for it.

Try Udemy course "Learn Programming with Python in 100 Steps". Less ceremony than languages such as Java/C#/C++ and will allow you to quickly focus on learning some fundamentals instead of worrying about every little detail (i.e. static typing).

[–]endertheend 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the tip, I'll also take the python course.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I would look into a full-stack course. This teaches you both front-end and back-end development. Ruby on Rails is pretty common and marketable for back-end development, while Javascript is king for the front. An ideal course would consist of something like Ruby, Rails, Javascript, React, and some HTML/CSS to fill it out. React seems to be the hot thing right now (a Javascript framework) and there are plenty of jobs where all you do is code on React.

[–]geo_gan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be honest it totally pisses me off that you basically have no formal computer based education - it appears you just learned stuff yourself in some basic courses - and you now have $140k salary doing exactly what I do. I have a fucking degree in computer science from a main university, that took five years, and another 20 years full time programming after that in the very things you mention (AJAX,JS,HTML/CSS/SQL) and I am not even earning HALF your salary. Also in my fucking POS country, they tax you basically 52% of everything you earn after an extremely low amount earned (less than 30k) so eg. if you earn 70k, then you only actually take home about 40k a year after tax. I am totally broke. I have no money or savings. I am as poor now as I was 20 years ago. I work 7 hours a day for last 20 years. I basically just pay mortgage/bills/loans/maintenance and have 400 a month (if I'm lucky) left to live on to buy food for myself and gas/petrol for car. Usually when I try and do anything, like go out or any form of entertainment, it means I run out of money and end up borrowing from next month. One of the main reasons I have not gone near women for years - can't afford to and have nothing to offer them. You young Americans really don't know how hard it is in the real world.

[–]endertheend 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thanks for that, Ill work on this.

Also, is it possible to go totally location independent with programming?

That is pretty much my main goal.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It is, but it is very difficult. You basically have to build a client base on your own and convince people to pay you for work. If you can get to that point, it is worth it, but I wouldn't recommend it to start. Work for a company for a few years and get experience, then try your own thing slowly.

[–]Torabor64 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's not difficult to be top 10% in finances.

Consider the amount of people unemployed, retired, or less than 25.

[–]busyfit321 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but again, it's not the bottom 80% (or even 90 depending on your location) we here are competing with, nor do we want the 3s and 4s they are maybe fucking. There's more to this than NOT being a worthless slob.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You have no idea, get your shit sorted and Tinder is more of an À la cart experience.

[–]Psychocist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even I've experienced this and I have a pretty poor profile with one good pic. One of the reasons I don't care any more is because I know those platforms are ready and waiting when I'm ready to put effort into chicks again. Great for abundance.

[–]VegasRaider89 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Its permanent hard mode here in Vegas. All the pretty girls become strippers, call girls, whores, looking for the next sugar daddy. The others aren't worth to look at. In 10 years I've only met one really pretty girl who was worth anything, she was an assistant manager to a restaurant, smart as fuck too. Amazing personality. She actually had personality. Every pretty girl I meet here are just fucking stupid. The stupidity is the most unattractive thing for me. And they never have personality more than a hardwood door.

I started following TRP in 2014 and had great success. But it's a curse too. Being to smart, knowing how women work. I was never able to shake that instinct of settling down with the perfect girl and having a family in the back of my mind.

I always lose interest in a girl after the first fuck date. Haven't met a single one that was interesting more than just being pretty. Except for that one fucking girl. I'm still hung up on. Its ridiculous. I met the perfect girl, and no girl has been able to satisfy me since. I didnt even fuck her, it was her personality.

I keep looking at myself, reminding myself of everything I learned from TRP. I learned about "the one itis" years ago, but it still happened.

The problem was I never met a girl I actually got along with or liked before, they're stupidity would eventually get to me and I would stop texting them back.

I was born here In Vegas and dont know any other city. I have a great career right now as an HVAC engineer making great money. And I'm alone in my nice house. This town turns girls out. I hate it but cant really leave.

Me:

5’9”

29 years old

180lbs, work out every day

$72k a year

Day Walker with a tan

Paying off my house

Tinder, I dont use it here, all literal prostitutes on it. Or ugly girls

Work 60 hours a week like a boss, cause I'm the boss.

Hobbies (Building race cars, motorcycles, drag racing, camping, road trips, BBQing, grilling, I cook better than most women in the kitchen.

[–]rigbed 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It’s Vegas what do you expect. You can’t knock hot women for using their looks as their income. And personality doesn’t make more money if you keep quiet.

Pay off your house and use the hookers on a regular basis. Besides, they probably are better off than most women in college debt.

[–]geo_gan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm alone in my nice house

"Where have all the good men gone?"

[–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why am I talking about this? Because everything I just listed, aside from height, is completely obtainable for the average guy and virtually none of it is luck, genetics, or out of reach.

I have made this exact same point many times (in some posts I deleted for doxxing concerns, I can see you don't care about that, whatever).

 

This is a most excellent post, in many ways, and I really hoped it signaled the transition from the utter shit of summer of 2018 to the more better posts, but the commentary has not borne that out. Too bad.

Well, I hope you post more. Good writing from your good life.

Also, Boston is a great place. I went there a long time ago with my Jewish girlfriend to visit her cousins. It was hilarious: all Jewish college girls were dating all Irish college dropouts (me included). Good times were had in the city and on the Cape and islands.

[–]1atticusfinch1973 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks for referencing what I wrote and it's a perfect follow up example to exactly what you stated about my article - that it isn't as hard as you think to be in the top 20%.

And I completely agree with your field report and have had the same experience, which is why I am constantly blown away at the amount of idiots who can't get laid off of things like Tinder. Simple things like having a clean place, inviting a girl to something fun (instead of just "come over and fuck") and being able to cook are just that - simple - but so many men can't seem to put in the minimal effort.

Although the other side of that is that those guys are making it way easier for me, so they can stay the way they are.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate that. I think your post gave some good perspectives, and I wanted to make sure that people got the right takeaway from it. It really isn't as difficult as people think it is to have a successful dating life.

[–]male_specimen 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm 42, and at my age it's amazing how few men take good care of their bodies. I started working out 4 years ago, and I now look pretty decent - especially compared to the men my age around me, who usually have large pot bellies/ "dad bods". This immediately puts me in the top 20%, looks-wise, and women certainly notice this.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you notice this more as you get older. Guys who are lazy in their 20's generally stay that way as they age, and it catches up to you. You can live an inactive lifestyle when you're young and still stay in decent shape, but eventually you'll start to put on weight. The dad bod stereotype exists for a reason.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I know blue collar guys who have been to prison that get better quality and quantity of pussy than most successful guys (Career, Hobbies, Social life)

The real difference is not being a pussy pedestal polisher and having muscles.

The rest is up to you. Nothing wrong with having a clean apartment (Mine is spotless) but it wont get any bitchs panties wet

As far as raising SMV, stick to Lifting and establishing a DGAF attitude and the rest you do for you

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It’s funny to me how op concludes that it was his fucking clean apartment that played a major part in getting him laid.

[–]mentalfloss3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't believe top males like this have time to consistently will this sub with fucking walls of text every day lol

[–]OfficialHavik 10 points11 points  (3 children)

If everyone looks-maxed and reached their maximum potential, it wouldn't really matter. The naturally taller, bigger framed, better looking, etc. guys would still win out. No matter how hard you work, if your competition works just as hard but is more talented, you don't stand a chance. You see it in sports everyday.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sports are an extreme. What you're saying is hypothetical. It's the assumption that everyone who has a genetic advantage will work as hard as you do. They're not. Some are, sure, but not all.

[–]Cgbgjr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In this area 95% of the tall and even handsome guys slump and slouch, have big bellies and dad bods, lose their tempers whenever things don't go their way, and have no clue how to talk to women. No frame, no game, bad bodies.

[–]Systral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, what I got from this is that OP is above average attractive as well as rather wealthy.

[–]trpfaust 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I’ve got a job opportunity in Boston, hear it’s pretty good in terms of gender ratio etc. Worth the move out there?

[–]Freedom__Fighter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

If you don’t mind having all 4 seasons... extreme winter and extreme summer.... COL is very high here... if you make under 75k things are really tight... i actually think a lot of women here are overweight and a bit basic, but there certainly gems out here. It’s EXTREMELY liberal here, so be really mindful of how much you expose yourself... you’re easily one tranny joke away from pounding your own sausage the night of a date... LOL

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yes, it is. If you don't mind high rent prices.

[–]trpfaust 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I’m from a high cost of living place already so it won’t be a huge change of pace. Mind if I ask what you pay for your place?

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

$2250 a month for a 750 square foot one bedroom.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it that high because you're in a great area?

[–]ebaymasochist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

FUCK YEAH. Everything I thought while reading responses to that other post, with real world examples..

I would buy you a beer right now if I weren't currently in the bottom 10 percentile of beer money!

[–]razzoh 1 points1 points [recovered]

Some men cant reach top 20%, me for exemple: 5'6 height, under 5 inches dick, unattractive face, balding rapidly, average eu salary, above average body.

Getting sex is hard and they rarely return for more.

I agree mostly with redpill but sometimes this is just repackaged bluepill.

[–]kittenssavedmylife 34 points35 points  (8 children)

Fucking lift and make more money dude. Then you literally won't give a shit. Lol

You're acting like your happiness literally depends on your getting laid. There's so much more to life lol. Women are easy. Everything else is hard.

[–]1dongpal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If conditions are different then results may vary, that means that statements like "Women are easy. Everything else is hard." are bullshit

[–]vverons 1 points1 points [recovered]

women are easy

This is what I hear constantly from trp but it’s not true. The amount of self development required to even be in consideration means you have to be better than 80% of males. This is before you meet them and game them which is something that takes years and years to get decent at.

You're acting like your happiness literally depends on your getting laid.

There are some people in life that are very successful and healthy yet the only thing they cannot acquire is a women. So making 100+, driving nice cars, career, etc. is there but the women are not.

[–]busyfit321 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some people here love to downplay the importance of getting laid for a male. It's like money. People who have a lot of it are the first to say it isn't important, the ones barely scraping by know the value. There's a biological imperative to fucking women, even if it isn't the most important thing. Why anyone wants to act differently on this sub of all places is retarded.

[–]razzoh 1 points1 points [recovered]

So many assumptions about me and my life in your comment. "Just lift more LOL" wont solve my problems (yes, problems i said it!). Funny that you mention money, i need more money to be more attractive betabux husband?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Have you actually tried lifting though? I'm willing to bet you don't know actually know whether or not it will help you because you haven't even tried.

I knew an Asian guy with terrible acne who was a shortie. I'd guess he probably has a small dick, too. I didn't see him for 5 years and when I finally did see him again he had become jacked, like seriously ripped and muscular. He still had some acne but he had styled himself really well and had obviously been practicing some PUA techniques because he had a lot of women on tap and I'd see him get phone numbers in daylight cold approaches.

He told me it all started when he began lifting. It gave him a great body and then the confidence to begin working on his game. When I met him again he was far ahead of the vast majority of men I knew.

Try it before you knock it, brother. Losers aren't the ones who fail, they're the ones who never try.

[–]Psychocist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. I'm no model -- 5'8, bald/shaved, nothing swinging between my legs.

When I broke up with my first girlfriend I started hitting the gym. Had a great summer, took risks, confidently persisted with some chick at Salsa and ended up getting her in bed and had her coming back for more over a few months before I left the country. The hottest chick I'd fucked since I started a few years back.

Now I've become comfortable with someone and held off on gym. The dilemma is - I cannot motivate myself with the promise of pussy because, from experience, that doesn't sustain. I need to go to the gym as a test in discipline, as something which provides value directly, and something which I'd do regardless of women.

The trouble is I graft hard in terms of internal game, knowledge, learning skills (programming, business). I'm not lazy-minded, I just lost the original reason I started (women).

[–]mchief101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well said. I also started lifting again after running for 7 months to purposely get skinny for a girl. I was blue pill as fuck and the chick dumped me in July. My lesson learned is to never get attached to a woman again, that shit made me feel so bad. Lifting is life.

[–]Broder45 12 points13 points  (0 children)

“Disregard females. Acquire aesthetics.” - Zyzz

The man that has more women than all man-kind combined.

Don’t look at the top % to compare yourself. Look at the mirror and compare to yourself yesterday.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken 5 points6 points  (5 children)

You're looking at this too superficially. Life is not a reality TV show set in Miami Beach. A lot of dudes on this sub intuitively think women are the mirror image of men and operate on a "hot-or-not" basis. That's not how it works, despite the swipe-left/right culture further distorting reality. Obviously winning the genetic lottery helps, particularly the younger you are. But how you make a woman feel is the decisive factor. First impressions are overrated in the SMP (again, in contrast to what hookup apps might have you believe).

Edit: and you're not competing with the top 20%. There's not a global or even national market for pussy and dick. You're competing with dudes she knows/is around. It's all local, hence the stress on social circles. No need to compare yourself to some 6'2" Adonis 4 states away.

[–]celincelin 1 point2 points  (4 children)

That's not how it works, despite the swipe-left/right culture further distorting reality.

Aha, and that culture obviously came from Mars and has nothing to do with our reality.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Certain aspects of human nature can be amplified but that doesn't make it realistic. That's like arguing that a caricature drawing is as true-to-life as a photograph.

[–]celincelin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Is grocery shopping a caricature of hunting-gathering, then?

[–]SasquatchMcKraken 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'd say no. Grocery shopping arises in an entirely different, agricultural context. People grew or raised shit and brought that shit to a central location. Your search is confined to a large building with a fixed address. Caricatures take things as they are and exaggerate a certain aspect of it. I'm not disputing whether or not what we're talking about arose from nowhere, I'm just saying it's not the full story.

[–]celincelin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you wrote was free of any meaning and missed the point.

If grocery shopping is more convenient, "civilized" hunting-gathering, then Tinder is more convenient, "civilized" mating. It's called technical progress, mate.

[–]conflagratorX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some men cant reach top 20%, me for exemple: 5'6 height, under 5 inches dick, unattractive face, balding rapidly, average eu salary, above average body.

Salary has nothing to do with attraction unless you are some millionaire. Attractive/unattractive face has.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

These can be fixed or circumvented. Height doesn't matter as much as guys think, it will just make online dating more difficult (which shouldn't be your primary focus anyway). Impress them in person instead. If you're balding, shave your head, grow a beard, and wear clothes that match that style. Get some tattoos if that fits. If you have a small dick, learn how to eat a girl out, read She Comes First and Sex God Method, and getting her to come back won't be an issue. At one point I had a woman offer to do my laundry in exchange for oral. Average body is something I shouldn't have to explain how to fix. If you have a low salary then learn skills that net you a higher one. "Repackaged bluepill" would be listening to your platonic female friends tell you that you're a really nice guy and that eventually a woman will see that. She won't, unless you change.

[–]razzoh 1 points1 points [recovered]

If i shave my head i look like idiot because of my weak/recessed chin/jaw. Thats also connected with my complete lack of facial hair i think.

When i have sex it looks like this: I eat her, she blows me, i try penetration, she feels very little and thats it. Mostly they are nice and tell me how im cute and it was fun, compliment my oral.

My first comment says above average body not average.

Increasing my overall money is a long and slow process and it will go up after im 30 i think.

So yes this all sounds like male hamstering, everyone comforting eachother how height, face, dick size dont matter "so much". Almost everyone can learn game and charisma but these things cant be changed. Most women i fucked were low value women. Average at best. What kind of bluepilled hamstering one needs to think guy like me can attract cute shortie. You really think oral and toys will keep above average woman in her 20s? Because thats what i want, ltr and family in future.

[–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You really think oral and toys will keep above average woman in her 20s? Because thats what i want, ltr and family in future.

Look at it this way. If you're looking for a family, then you're looking for a low N count chick who hasn't been alpha-widowed, which means that yes, she probably would be satisfied with oral, toys and a below average penis. If she is a candidate for a family, then she's not whoring herself for alphas. She will be easier to please.

However, as you touched on, life is no fairy-tale. If you can't present an offer that stands out she'll find someone else. Regardless, she'll likely not go her entire life only touching your penis.. as they say, she's not yours. I personally wouldn't consider a family worth the risk, but I suppose the only other way is to die a bachelor.

[–]Wowitstheinternet 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Embrace the baldness. Howie Mandel/Patrick Stewart that shit and shave it all, maybe get a small beard or goatee. Balding blows, but you can manage it if you're careful.

Unattractive face? Dunno. I'd have to see. See a dermatologist if it's really bad, or a plastic surgeon if you look like Borat.

Under 5 inch dick? Fine. Women can barely feel shit past two inches deep anyway.

Under 3? Eh, maybe some problems.

5'6? Average woman is 5'4. Congratulations, you're taller than half the women you'll meet.

[–]razzoh 1 points1 points [recovered]

LOL your whole comment is such bluepill hamstering, did you laugh while writting these feel good lies?

[–]Wowitstheinternet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those aren't lies. Would you like citations? I mean, you can still post your photo (or DM it) and I can give you some feedback.

I'm not telling you that everything's fine. Obviously something's off, if you're having a hard time getting women. The baldness hurts, but maybe it's the way you dress or smell, or maybe it's your state of mind. There's a lot of factors. Women are pickier than men, and it's a bitch, but it's solvable. I don't think it's the other factors you listed, though.

[–]geecheemane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well written and a solid perspective. Gonna go read the other post you mentioned. Thanks.

[–]Schmoarndi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good job on writing this post!

[–]Lukap295 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What is the name of Peterson's book?

[–]IrishGoodbye4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is great. Good shit OP.

[–]lean_cuisine2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ask a woman...you are spot on and can i get your number?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

"If you can’t take the time to do basic human chores, why would quality women want to fuck you?"

You seem confused. Quality women your age have husband and children and don't go around booty calling their fuck buddies. And even then the quality of most of them is questionable at best.

Also, fuck buddies aren't your mother. It pretty much doesn't matter to them if you cleaned your room. If a fuck buddy comments positively about this it should give you an indication about the other guys she fucks. I really hope for yourself you double-rubbered up.

"The doctor and I talked about our experiences on Tinder for a bit..."

Did she go alle Freudian on you, lol? She's a tinder girl for fuck's sake and so she tries to downplay the fact that she's exclusively in for the good dicking she gets from there. Look at what they do not what they say!

And read the sidebar, you need it.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In major cities, there are plenty of single women my age and even more so younger. I generally meet/date girls 3-6 youngers than me, but have met some quality women around my age as well. I know the assumption here is always that they're "post wall" women who are looking to tie a guy down and all that. Some women don't want kids and marriage, and for some reason people here don't seem to understand that. I know women who focus on their career first and don't want to get married, although admittedly it is less common. But they exist.

[–]DutchBouncer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly this. Treat tinder girls as tinder girls, not as high class wifey material. It makes the whole event alot easier.

No cooking, no endless meet ups at bars or long WhatsApp convo's. I buy a cheap bottle of wine (3 euro's) and just invite them right to my place. If they don't want to come over for a wine and sex, next. Keep in mind, it's a friggin tinder girl.

There is always a hb8+ tinder girl willing to come over for chads cock. If she won't come over, there are probably a few more offers from the top 5% men. Reality is, they like the fact that I know and say what I want.

[–]the_lolboat 4 points5 points  (13 children)

you're 5'11

where is your manlet equivelent?

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 4 points5 points  (12 children)

Not sure what you're asking tbh.

[–]JustinDell990 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You have sex with chicks, good for you I guess. What do they look like? Do they look like Taylor Swift? Bella Throne? Alice Eve? Megan Fox? Quality IMO is always more important than quantity. Yeah I could probably easily fuck some fat, 30 year old single mother. But I don't want to and knowing I can doesn't do anything for my confidence.

Fact of the matter is only the absolute cream of the crop get the best women. The top 0.1 percent. The pro athletes, the A list actors, the rock stars, the male models, billionaires etc. These guys are your competition. Good fucking luck.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Why would I be fucking Taylor Swift? I don't care that I'm not fucking the same women as professional athletes and actors. That's a fucking dumb comparison. The women I'm sleeping with aren't obese single mothers either, I just don't care that they're not perfect 10's. They're attractive and cool people, and I'm fine with that, because no one on this sub and less than 0.1% of the male population is regularly fucking the type of women you're talking about. So no, they aren't your competition.

[–]JustinDell990 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You are competing with the 0.1 percent of the male population. Those guys fuck hundreds, hell thousands of women. Look at guys like Gene Simmons, Tommy Lee, Wilt Chamberlain etc.

Don't think for a second that the "attractive and cool" girls you get wouldn't kick you to the curb instantly if their favorite celebrity came along.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just so I'm understanding you correctly, I should be worried about Wilt Chamberlain walking into a bar in Cambridge and fucking the girl I'm seeing? How does that thought even cross your mind? In all honesty, in the one in a million chance that some celebrity shows up to the same venue and she wants to go home with home, good for her. I'd do the same thing with a famous actress if given the opportunity.

[–]JustinDell990 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just so I'm understanding you correctly, I should be worried about Wilt Chamberlain walking into a bar in Cambridge and fucking the girl I'm seeing

No. You should be worried about David Beckham or the guys from One Direction.

[–]blacklightsleaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The good thing about 0.1 is that it is physically impossible for them to fuck all the good looking girls. What they gonna do? They will fuck some top girls, dump them, then is somebody else turn.

[–]Broder45 0 points1 point  (1 child)

OP. Where’d you go for the live band? Somerville? This is a scene I’m interested in getting into.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cambridge, but Somerville has similar scenes as well. Somerville is just a little too grungy/hipster for my tastes.

[–]zncmckskaowidixjsjai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In what do you invest OP ?, I am very curious about your investments, id you don’t want to tell here shoot pe a PM, thanks.

[–]SOwED 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading only the title, that depends entirely on who's reading. David Beckham probably has the bottom 99% as his competition, while a low iq nearly down syndrome midget has the bottom 1% as his competition.

[–]fuzzy_bunnyx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While OP gives solid advice, we have to keep in mind that these women are not complaining about bottom 80%. They mostly match top 20% guys anyway. So they are basically complaining that guys with too many options to care don't put in much effort.

[–]throwawaydegar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with everything you say. Your experience sounds exactly like what i wrote about when I posted here.

Great work. I say that not just because I agree it and it resonates with me but because I think you phrase just how easy it can be really well.

[–]Xexitar 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Agree with you. Apart from stating that 130k is "easily obtainable"... Maybe where you live but the equivalent £70k salary in the UK is the stuff of fucking legends.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Boston is a fairly large tech city, so high salary jobs are common if you know how to program. I can't speak for other cities though, and I don't know what the job market is like in EU in regards to that.

[–]Xexitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right place with the right quals I guess. My girlfriend is a nurse and I tried to get her to move to Australia for a while where she'd get paid double what she gets here.

[–]NameUser18 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lmao I know right. Always takes me a second when I see Americans on here saying they earn $100 000 or something and I have to remember they pretty much use Monopoly money at this point.

[–]Xexitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're considered "well off" in the UK if you earn like £30k.

[–]MojoManUltra 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I need help approaching and being sexual with women any tips, advice?

I’m still a Virgin at 26, and I want this monkey off my back. Been doing noFap and I’m fucking hungry.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but it's just that the bottom 80% are not your competition. It's the top 20%.

[–]Wty713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sexy Sally always ends up betafying me before I can fuck her. Product of high smv but low self confidence

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nice post man. Wish I had enough money to live in Boston. Still looking for a job post grad. I live in MA.. what’s the best areas to find an apartment in the city ?

[–]Melman195 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you're okay living on the outskirts of town, winter hill isn't bad. It's still pretty gritty but Assembly Square is right there. Southie is too expensive and over-hyped. I'd also recommend the better parts of Dorchester too. You can find a 4 bed 1 bath for like 650 a month there if you're okay splitting a bathroom between 4 people...

[–]Melman195 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha I live in Cambridge and oh my you are spot on about the cambridge Hipster. Some of them are such douche-nozels and they are such betas. Just go to Lamplighter on any given Friday night and you will find plenty.

I figure most of these guys are orbiters for the women they hang around.

[–]Hamilton950B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to live in Somerville and cracked up at your descriptions of Sports Guy and Cambridge Guy. It's so true. You write very well.

[–]oytrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice FR, but I don't think most people would find it encouraging.

"all you gotta do is live in a major city, have your own place, be in good shape and make 130k".

[–]ChrimsonChin988 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes the bottom 80% is indeed quite pathetic. However, if you want to live the “baller” lifestyle you’re not competing with the bottom 80% but with the top 1%. Competition is no joke there.

If all you want is to be ahead of the bottom 80%, your gf will maybe be around a HB7, you’ll never drive a nice car or live in detached house in a decent neighbourhood.

Imo, if you’re not aiming to be in at least the top 5% you’re not even playing this game seriously assuming you’re at least somewhat intelligent etc.

[–]theStoicist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Are you really going to spend your time sitting around, breaking down statistical benchmarks to try to calculate the odds of her fucking a richer guy?" HAHAHAHHA, I legit laughed out loud when I read this. The picture of a guy with a calculator muttering to himself as he did the calculations popped into my head. Great post mate!

[–]tonikroosofficial 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"When she got there, she admitted she had messaged a few guys but seeing the band sounded like fun. You know why? Because the other guys were sitting at their fucking apartment and invited her to come straight there. They weren’t doing ANYTHING interesting. " - If ANY of those guys were Chads, she would have chosen him over you. This is the reality.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This sort of thing just doesn’t cross my mind and you guys obsess over it. She messaged ME. I invited her to come out and she did. I invited her to come back to my place and she did. I made a move and she went with it.

Why do I care that some better looking guy out there exists, and she could have hypothetically went to his place instead? There’s always someone better. So the fuck what? Right now, she chose me and wants to fuck me. At some point she won’t want to anymore. I don’t care. Just make things happen and enjoy them when they do instead of constantly thinking about god damn Chad.

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solid perspective. I agree that staying out of the bottom 80% makes most of this easy. I don’t need to run faster than a bear; I just need to run faster than the others.

[–]Systral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to discredit your sexual achievement but it sounds like you have an above average attractive face to begin with and your overall stats make it pretty easy to get laid.

[–]dannnnyyyyyyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The new blade runner was boringggggg

[–]BuffaloWang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And to OP’s larger point, being cognizant and deliberate in, and of, your actions/words/persona is simpler and less time consuming than attempting to do so for other people’s.

[–]1Here4Bach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay good I was worried that you were putting yourself down.

[–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not to sound arrogant, but as a guy with more experience than you (it's obvious based on your field report), I'd like to say don't diss the guys who invite girls over to their place right away. There are guys out there who do this with crazy consistency and who pull a lot more than you do just doing that.

You succeeded despite taking them out on dates. Not because of.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I agree, there are guys who absolutely do this. To each his own. That doesn't mean all women want that, and it definitely does not mean that all man can actually pull it off. If you're a good looking guy, great body, then yeah it isn't difficult. There are far more guys who look like shit, have horrible photos, and go straight for the "you trying to fuck?" line which turns a lot of women off.

[–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Then the goal is to become "a good looking guy" with a "great body." Not settle for some inefficient safe game that has a low success rate. When you ask a girl out on a date, you're not screening for sexual intent/availability on her part. You're winging it and then hoping she feels horny at the end of it. It will happen from time to time, but trust me that will not be the majority of the time.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not the experience I have had, but your mileage may vary. I have a high success rate with sleeping with women I go on dates with, and it is generally easier and less threatening for her to meet in public first than to go straight to your place. I think it also depends what you're looking for. I'm not really interested in one night stands, so I don't invite girls straight to my place if we've never met before. I'd rather meet people that I click with intellectually as well, because I prefer an ongoing FWB sort of deal. If you do just want to go straight to sex, then things like a six pack and professional photos are the way to go. But if you think that taking a woman out for a drink or to a party first is inefficient, then you are probably doing something wrong. Plenty of women are looking for and want sex, they just don't say it outright and feel more comfortable meeting in public the first time. Honestly, getting them to meet you is sometimes the most difficult part in regards to sleeping with them.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to emphasize that the vast majority of guys you are up against offer so little in terms of competition that it is not something you should spend any reasonable amount of time thinking about.

then why do i feel like i'll never make it?

I've created this fallacy in my head that, it's Just always out of reach. maybe it was right infront of me all along and i just neede to reach out and grab it.

[–]5-methoxy-NN-DMT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

gets called pathetic

Thanks TRP

[–]RodGronaArSkit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I slept with 3 women between Friday and Sunday.

And 0 of them was wife material.

[–]malditoduende77 1 points1 points [recovered]

You do you, but in my opinion, if you're over 18 and are wearing graphic shirts you're shooting yourself in the foot. No one cares what band or anime you think is cool. If I wanna add a little something to pop up so to speak, I go for patterns and the obvious accessories. Simple shit like this baby blue button up shirt I have with little fish and anchors slightly darker in color that you're probably imagining as something rather ugly but somehow it works and I get compliments on it all the time. A colorful handkerchief does wonders as well. Just my 2 cents.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hah, fair point, but I feel like I should specify that I'm not into anime and would never wear a shirt like that. Most of the time I wear a nice, plain colored dark button up. If I do wear a t-shirt, I'll get something with some art/design on it just to break it up a bit. It fights the style I have, which is generally darker clothing to begin with. I rarely wear stripes, checkers, or any sort of pattern. The types of t-shirts I might wear would be something like the things you see on DesignByHumans. Also, when it is 90 degrees outside and you're in a packed venue with a ton of people, a button up can be awfully uncomfortable. Generally speaking though, I dress up more than I dress down. For what it's worth, I've had multiple women comment on my t-shirts when I do wear them, with even a couple coming up to me just to say something.

[–]malditoduende77 1 points1 points [recovered]

Fair enough. I still wouldn't do it because I think it kills aesthetics and makes a poor first impression compared to a well fitted shirt.

Also, when it is 90 degrees outside and you're in a packed venue with a ton of people, a button up can be awfully uncomfortable

You're wearing the wrong shirt. As long as the material and weave are breathable, there's no reason it shouldn't be more comfortable than a t-shirt, actually, since there's much more airflow given its looser fit and bigger chest exposure. When you're buying a summer shirt, put it against your mouth and breath through it to figure out if the material suits your needs.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solid advice. I really only wear t-shirts one or two months of the year. Being in New England, we have very short and mild summers for the most part. When I first picked up a few graphic tees, mostly to lounge around in, I had never really planned on wearing them out. To be honest, I threw one on Friday because I wasn't planning on meeting anyone that night and just wanted something light to wear while being in a stuffy bar, also had put off doing laundry. Oddly enough, she commented on it saying that she liked it. Who knows, maybe she was just being polite. I agree though that button ups are the way to go. I'll have to try that breathing technique next time I'm shopping - good looks on that.

[–]Afrodiziak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is relevant for the late 20's early 30's dating game btw. Any advice for younger dudes like myself that are on the cusp of reaching the professional world and are sick of dumb college age girls, but aren't stable enough to be taken seriously by older women? Tbh I feel like I'm trapped sometimes.

[–]Aestheticcunt1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Male competition is shit, that‘s true. But it also holds true amongst women. Most of them don‘t have going on shit in their lives and don‘t deliver any value apart from their pussies... I think someone should make a post about that. Would help with stopping to pedestalise women.

[–]AllahHatesFags 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reminds me of some MGTOW guy whiny rant about TRP, I think it went something like this:

TRP is a guy saying "I'm a 6'6" millionaire professional body builder with a 12" cock. I constantly have 10 bitches in my bed to fuck all night! If you can't achieve this it's because you don't lift and have frame!"

Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. If you are MGTOW then you shouldn't care who gets what women. Guys in the game should play with what they got and expect failure. It's like another ginger, Bill Burr says, "It's just like stand-up, you gotta go out there and bomb!"

[–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did you learn massage as a hobby? I've always being told by my girls that my massages feel good, but they're just simple neck/back rubs. Nowhere near something that would require a massage table.

[–]BradTheGymRat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To become a chad you first have to become average, and that's something 90% of the theredpill newbies miss and its normal because most guys come here broken and read all about chads and they sit in the gutter and torture themself mentally how hard is to become a chad... first become average - CLEAN YOUR ROOM. Great post OP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know why? Because the other guys were sitting at their fucking apartment and invited her to come straight there. They weren’t doing ANYTHING interesting.

Sounds like something she would say to just superficially justify seeing you.

If the other guys were hot enough in her eyes, she’d most likely go to their place.

Am I missing anything here?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We get to my place, and the first thing she says is that she is impressed with how clean it is. I want to write this again to emphasize what stood out to her. A fucking DOCTOR was impressed that I clean my apartment. What does that say about the average guy in the dating scene? She was genuinely surprised that my god damn furniture matches, that I pick out artwork that isn’t just some melting clock you see in every dorm room in the United States, that I have real plants, and that I don’t have dirty clothes laying on the floor in my bedroom. Why do you think Jordan Peterson literally has a chapter dedicated to cleaning your bedroom in his latest book? It’s because the majority of the male populated can’t be bothered to pick up their shit-stained boxers off the floor and wipe the piss stains off their toilet seat. If you can’t take the time to do basic human chores, why would quality women want to fuck you?

You’re a bit quick to jump to conclusions here. Another girl might as well not be impressed with the clean look.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Next day, I get a text from the doctor saying she’s bored and misses my comfy sofa. I invite her over and ask if she likes Sci Fi. She says no, so I put on the new Blade Runner to change her mind. We fuck afterwards. She tells me to text her whenever I want her to swing by. She says she likes that I made sure she had an orgasm. That is who I’m up against. That is who YOU are up against. Guys who are too fucking lazy for things like foreplay. Guys who think that vanilla missionary sex for 5 minutes is going to make her feel sexy. Guys who don’t ask what she likes and doesn’t like in bed. Guys who don’t pay attention to her noises and body. Guys that don’t know where her clit is, let alone touch it. Guys who say “nice tits” instead of SHOWING her that you like them.

The implication being that, to keep the girl, you gotta make her cum. As in, you wanna make her cum so that she stays with you, not that making her cum might actually also up your own sexual experience. See where the issue is?

A plate I had actually told me how she liked that I didn’t try to make her cum, and didn’t lose my mojo like her previous lays when she didn’t cum. I fucked her the way I liked, if mine happened to align with hers, then great.

[–]yety175 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're not some fat fucking slob you're already doing better than half the men in America.

[–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Want to know what I learned here? Is that those chicks will fuck both YOU and the guys they are complaining about. The only difference between you and them is that they give way less fucks than you do, while still getting the same results. Yeah, she complains about all these other guys, but the common denominator is her. They all smashed her but she didnt cum, or so she says. Either way, they smashed. They pumped and dumped, or let whatever was between them fizzle out. You put in a lot of effort into yourself to give her a reason to become a repeat offender. But the thing is, YOU and all those guys smashed either way. They invite girls straight over and it works for some of them, while you invest time and effort into taking them out.

None of these girls will be your gf, none of them will be exclusive to you. SO what is the big difference? You didnt win some spectacular prize here. All you did was listen to chicks complain about how they dont mind fucking guys who just dont care.

[–]Meta-h 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The bottom 80% should be non-existent for anyone wanting to make a difference. The bottom 80 shouldn’t even be in the picture for anyone who is truly a competitor at anything. The mark is the top 5% of the 20, aka the top 1%. Any other target, will justify settling for less than you could otherwise achieve.

[–]gemeinsam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the fucking longest brag post I ever read and it wasnt even a humble brag. do you jerk of to that or was writing it down the jerk off?

[–]swordsx48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I give great massages too - great with my hands in general. What are other skills, potentially sexual, we can elaborate on for the others here?

[–]swordsx48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great write up man, really enjoyed reading it! Again you didn't have to seek these. They came to you based on you placing yourself in positions to succeed. In fact the doctor even enjoyed your company big time. Was back so quick

[–]arted123 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is a wonderful post man! I would give you gold if I could.

[–]toolate4redpill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I want to concur with the guys here, guys get obsessed with having "game" and they picture a guy with gold chains driving a Mercedes who slays women with "pickup lines".

The fact is most women detest pickup lines and players. The things they notice are guys who are clean, well groomed and confidant. The less "thirsty" you act the more successful you'll be.

Funny thing about the hair, women FLIP for guys with long hair. I had a buddy I hung with who had long hair, I used to make fun of him for being a "old hippie". Well we'd the the "over 30" night at the club and this ugly,poor, no game guy got all the women as bizarre as it sounds. Thing was he had a great personality and that was the key. The hair would attract them and his personality would hook them.

[–]rigbed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My hair just doesn’t grow long

[–]AceMav21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, so living in Boston making that money, salary atleast you’ve got $82k net, and after expensive ass rent costs prob like $55k in disposable income. Good shit

[–]GAMER_GIRL_POO -1 points0 points  (4 children)

A lot of those things you mentioned are very time-consuming and even unobtainable for many men. Money, appearance, time, and career are just a few prohibitive factors. This is why there are winners and losers in society.

I am not making excuses for myself. I am 5’11” (might grow taller), am a healthy weight (working on putting on muscle), will be going to a good college with a full scholarship, and don’t have any severe physical abnormalities. However, I realize this is partially due to luck, genetics, and parenting. And yes, I am a virgin.

My questions for you: Job? College (major and school)? Dick size?

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I went to a small school in central PA, majored in Philosophy, and graduated with a C average. My first job out of school was pushing shopping carts for $10 an hour. I got offered $100k when I was 30 because of smart career decisions. It wasn't luck, I just worked hard.

[–]GAMER_GIRL_POO 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow. That’s pretty amazing. I have a pretty clear plan of what I’d like to do with my life. College first, and then military.

My point is that no matter how hard some people try, they may never reach the top 20% due to things out of their control. I hope that I will reach the top 20% one day.

[–]1Here4Bach 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude, you’re 18 why are you tripping over being a virgin? It’s nothing to be insecure or embarrassed about. A lot of 18 year olds both men and women are virgins.

[–]GAMER_GIRL_POO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not worried about it. I haven’t made any effort to lose it. I was just trying to say that someone’s height and race doesn’t make them automatically attractive to women.

My school is very academically focused, so there aren’t many opportunities for relationships anyway.

[–]CryptoFuturism -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The “ankle-height is first place” garbage espoused here needs to stay in the self gratifying, back patting buzzfeed editorials this shit comes from.

Simply being better than 90% of the population means nothing if you aren’t adhering to standards of your own.

To be of and by your own principles will always mean more in terms of personal satisfaction. Without actualising your rank means nothing.

Strive for fucking greatness. If, as you claim, a specky ginger such as yourself can be considered highly above average; imagine what could be achieved if you strove for greatness.

Having the most magnificent trunk in the forest means nothing if you’re still a sapling.

[–]Fly_Guy_97 -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

This post was somehow worse than the last one. Congrats on getting laid 3 times a weekend my dude. I genuinely don’t think anyone was interested in hearing your fucking story the first time and I’m sure no one gives a shit about hearing it all again for a second time

[–]Systral -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It really sounds like this was the only important thing in life. Not about self-improvement, but about your sex count. So superficial.

[–]Fly_Guy_97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had to bring up sex count a dozen times

[–]pieredforlife -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It’s true . I’m the contract cleaner who cleans ops apartment.