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MetaAdministration Reply to Appeal #1 (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschool

It's about what you'd expect from an administration that's cornered by reason. Ignore, deflect, and continue pushing the ambiguous rules and pretend they could actually be followed. When someone's wrong, they just keep repeating the same thing. Because what they really mean but can't work up the courage to say is: "We don't actually have a rational argument against your appeal."

https://a.trp.red/files/appeal-response1.png

Thank you for your message.

To be removed from quarantine, you may present an appeal. The appeal should include a detailed accounting of changes to community moderation practices -- as that is not what you are presenting here we cannot review this as a reasonable appeal.

Our Response:

You haven't told us what moderation practices are in question.

We remove all content that violates the Terms of Service and Content Policies. We do not allow breaking reddit's rules on our subreddit. People who violate the rules are given warnings or banned, their comments removed.

We comply with every request from the admin if and when they occur.

We pre-emptively ban all inter-reddit links with automoderator to prevent possible brigading.

Please tell us what moderation practices are in violation so we can make a "reasonable appeal."


For those following the appeal:


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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (19 children)

Did anyone else notice their response admits our quarantine isn't to do with the content?

I found it highly interesting that in their hamfisted attempt to deflect they instead shifted the fault to our moderation, which they've clearly failed to cite any infractions of the site's ToS. Well then fine, presto! we're squeaky clean, all infractions are now nonexistent. See how that works?

[–]justpickanyusername 231 points232 points  (15 children)

Seems a little hypocritical for Reddit to push so hard for "net neutrality" and then create fast lanes and slow lanes on their own website.

Per Reddit CEO Steve Huffman (aka spez): “If we don’t have net neutrality protections that enforce tenets of fairness online, you give internet service providers the ability to choose winners and losers.”

You can argue what an internet service provider is, but it isn't hard to see the hypocrisy here.

[–]Polishrifle 94 points95 points  (3 children)

It amazes me that people feel the need to censor ideas. If ideas are bad, then shouldn’t they be easy to defeat? It’s the type of mindset that someone knows better for the whole that is frightening.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (1 child)

If ideas are bad, then shouldn’t they be easy to defeat?

The problem is that some ideas are good for population A and bad for population B. Eg "don't get married". There are winners and losers with this idea. It's an idea that has to be suppressed.

100% of women and 95% of men support beta ideals and blue pill programming.

Young women also fuck Chad and then pretend they haven't / wouldn't. But for us to say it makes us somehow anti-women. And in a way we are: the best female sexual strategy is duplicitous and deceitful: fuck Chad and then declare that she isn't "that girl any more" and marry billy beta. Billy has to believe that he has "won in the end". Society as we know it depends on men willingly paying for women through marriage, alimony, taxation and child support.

We undermine that, because it's a shitty deal for most men. Noone can disagree with the facts, but most people hate the facts because the lies are easier, prettier, and most people are heavily invested in them.

So that's 97.5% of the population with either a vested interest or are fooled into supporting the narrative and the status quo. The fact that we speak the truth and give men options makes us more hated, not less.

Noone is opposing us on factual grounds. Noone is saying what we say is untrue. We are attacked on ideological grounds: claims we hate women, claims we're all oversexed virgins. Lies to suppress our ideas not because they are bad ideas, but because they are bad for women and for the status quo.

This is an ideological war, not a fight for the truth.

[–]Loverofalifetime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And actually it is a fight for the truth because a lie is being perpetuated to the vast majority of men (I know I believed those lies for YEARS!!!)...

Thus the world we have today where men can pretty much GURANTEED to be screwed in divorce court and put in jail for non-payment of child support (How is someone suppose to pay child support if they are in jail??)

[–]eclectro 6 points7 points  (6 children)

push so hard for "net neutrality"

Kinda interesting. I used to be in favor of net neutrality. But I say there should be no net neutrality for sites actively engaged in censorship. Which are mostly all the big websites pushing for it.

[–]NEM3S1S 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They want their site treated with "neutrality", but don't really care about the people on their site. Fancy that, a website that cares about getting business and not caring about their users.

[–]DamiensLust 0 points1 point  (4 children)

But I say there should be no net neutrality for sites actively engaged in censorship

This is nonsensical. You either advocate net neutrality or you don't, advocating it for some websites based on your criteria is exactly the same as being against net neutrality.

[–]eclectro 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This is nonsensical.

By a technical definition it might be. But I'm also practical. Let's call it something else if you wish then. If your website is actively engaged in censorship as determined by some esteemed panel, then the big ISPs can bill whatever they want. But if your website acts impartial to differing voices, then the ISP will need to act like a utility towards you and they are not going to bill traffic users.

Let's not call it net neutrality even. Call it freedom neutrality. Your website gets treated neutral if you actually are.

Here's a similar but more draconian take on this - Digitally Assured Destruction (nsfw language)

[–]DamiensLust 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This is a slippery slope. Websites are private entities, ISPs provide a public service thats these days akin to water or power. Why shouldn't websites be able to have the content they want? Should they also be forced to have Nazi propaganda or host political views that they disagree with? Should TRP be mandated to also provide the feminist argument lest it also be accused of "censorship"?

[–]eclectro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Should TRP be mandated to also provide the feminist argument lest it also be accused of "censorship"

Let's say then that net neutrality exists for all websites with less than X million users. If you have more users than that, then you would fall under "freedom neutrality."

I'm sure that any number of objections could be made, and a solution could probably be found for most of them.

Nothing's ever perfect, but the rewards would outweigh the difficulties.

[–]DamiensLust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's hypocritical to the core. You are suggesting we punish censorship with what amounts to censorship.

[–]lentils12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is one of the most bizarre cases of censorship

[–]3CainPrice 120 points121 points  (23 children)

Quarantine is, by design, a subjective tool for use by the Reddit administration to segregate undesirable content from the view of general users.

If content violates Reddit's rules or content policies, it gets banned. Reddit didn't ban The Red Pill.

If content is not in violation of Reddit's rules or content policies, but in the subjective opinion of the Reddit Administration, an "average user" would find it "shocking or highly offensive", quarantine is the appropriate tool instead of banning.

There's no way to fight a quarantine, because it is, by design, a subjective opinion from someone who already doesn't like or agree with us. What's an "average user"? What would somebody who is "average" find "offensive" or "shocking"? Hell, I found The Red Pill shocking when I first read it. Most of average frustrated chumps who weren't getting laid did.

I'd say that's a pretty strong argument that an "average" person would find our content "shocking", actually. Most of us were "average" and were pretty "shocked" by what we read here.

Since quarantine is a subjective Reddit administration decision, by design, it can't be combated with an "appeal" that says "We don't violate your content policies". Because Reddit already knows we don't. That's why The Red Pill isn't banned, just quarantined. And it can't be combated with an appeal that says "We're not shocking or offensive", because they've already reviewed our content and subjectively decided we are.

There's literally no way to overcome a Reddit quarantine other than to actually change the content and moderation practices and demonstrate to them that this has been done for a period of one month. Which is stupid. The big guys on The Red Pill have no intention of doing that. This whole appeal thing is just designed to make the Reddit administration look silly. They already looked silly before, and nobody cared. But maybe they'll look sillier after this goes on for a bit.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 34 points35 points  (7 children)

But maybe they'll look sillier after this goes on for a bit.

It certainly is starting looking worse as more people around reddit talk about the sham of the appeal process.

[–]ThePantsThief 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Where else is the appeal process being discussed besides this subreddit?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I've been talking about it in subredditcancer, mensrights, and with mods of about a dozen other subs. I've seen it discussed in pussypassdenied, PPD, advice animals, (obviously announcements) , rooshV forums, Rollo's blog, Paul Elam's podcast, and a few other places.

And I certainly couldn't stop people like you from talking about it where discussion of censorship happens.

[–]ThePantsThief 3 points4 points  (3 children)

People like me? I subscribe here, man, lol

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I can't condone talking about it elsewhere. But I can't stop you. ;)

[–]ThePantsThief 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh, I thought you were saying I was in favor of censorship haha

[–]Loverofalifetime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a "wink, wink" hint /u/ThePantsThief

Spread the word :-D

[–]Dawnguards 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Repetition is key. while we cant compress the information into one "meme image" or something like that..

Its all about showing everyone what red pill did, how it compares to real offensive forums and exposing injustice. We need to repeat thats the most effective thing because people remember it.

For example I voted in appeal yet I dont even remember what website it was, if we passed the required votes and etc. (people dont have much time to process so much injustice) :( p.s. forums.red looks wonderful!

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 13 points14 points  (11 children)

If content is not in violation of Reddit's rules or content policies, but in the subjective opinion of the Reddit Administration, an "average user" would find it "shocking or highly offensive", quarantine is the appropriate tool instead of banning.

This is the same mentality that's led to the leftist mobs shouting and screaming "Nazis" and "fascists" at plain old fashioned conservatives when they come to campus with no sense of irony be actually being the fascists they claim to be against. They can't comprehend a worldview or ideology that's counter to their own, so they make a moral judgment towards it where leftists = good, anyone else = bad. This is why the unhinged left believes they are entirely justified in being violent towards other political groups.

[–]3CainPrice 16 points17 points  (10 children)

True. Liberal people are extremely dangerous. That's part of the liberal hypocrisy.

The first thing a liberal person will tell you is that Reddit is a private business, and that morality doesn't even matter. It's social media website that the owners are free to run however they want. They can censor and not censor whatever content they please. You don't have rights to use the website. They can even refuse service to whoever they want, and if us stupid Red Pillers don't like it, we can go start our own website. Reddit can go on the way it pleases without us and will be just fine.

But let's reverse the scenario.

If I rented a building downtown and invested a lot of money turning it into a restaurant, and put a bigass sign on the door that said "No Blacks" (or gays or Muslims, or whatever), and refused to serve black people, in theory, that's perfectly legal. Just like Reddit, I can serve or refuse to serve whoever I want. If people didn't like the fact that I refuse service to blacks, they could refuse to come and buy food and eat elsewhere, tell all of their friends not to come, post bad stuff about me online, tell the media who would run bad press about me, stage civil protests, and I'd lose a lot of business due to my no blacks policy. However, if somehow, despite all of this, enough people who liked my food or liked my no blacks policy kept coming and buying food, and I managed to stay in business and make enough extra to pay my home mortgage and feed my family, that should be the end of it, right? I stay in business, albeit with a lot less money that I would have had if I'd abandoned the no blacks policy. Just like Reddit would keep going on without The Red Pill.

But unlike us regular people who will move on and let Reddit be, no liberal would allow a business that had a policy they didn't like continue to exist. If I stayed in the restaurant business touting a policy they didn't agree with, they'd go to their politicians next and try to get everything about my business made illegal. Screw the fact that enough people like my restaurant to keep me in business. My policies and the way I run my establishment is so clearly wrong that it should be outlawed, so they're going to try to get what I do made illegal.

But let's say most of the city council members aren't liberals and don't care, so laws that make my business illegal don't get passed. The government does nothing. Their next step is to get more violent, physically harass and threaten my customers, throw bricks through my window, have hooded thugs jump me on my way out the door, set my house on fire, and murder my family. Because I'm so wrong that my children deserve to die. Liberal people are dangerous.

[–]reluctantly_red[🍰] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If I rented a building downtown and invested a lot of money turning it into a restaurant, and put a bigass sign on the door that said "No Blacks" (or gays or Muslims, or whatever), and refused to serve black people, in theory, that's perfectly legal.

Actually that's a big fat NO! It would not be perfectly legal. It would violate the public accommodation laws of pretty much every developed country in the world (e.g. the American Civil Rights Act -- remember the lunch counter protests you learned about in civics class).

[–]desi-gooner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are right in that regard but what if a person doesn't go with the name "No blacks" and instead just doesn't serve every 3rd white person. Would the liberals still protest this discrimination? If so, then it would just prove the hyperbole.

[–]TempleOfIron 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Most subreddits that enter quarantine get banned eventually.

[–]dogkindrepresent 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They want us to get to the acceptance stage. Then we work out how to see the quarantine as a blessing. We realize, hey, now we can do anything we want, we can do all the things you should do to qualify being quarantined. People start to push the limits and then BOOM, full ban.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To some extent that's true. I see the quarantine label as a parallel to you-know-who making Jewish people wear yellow stars. Not harmful by itself, so they tell us not to worry, and hold off long enough that some of us believe it. Then BOOM, Kristallnacht.

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 128 points129 points  (11 children)

Admin: "We can't review your appeal until you tell us when you stopped beating your wife!"

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 91 points92 points  (5 children)

I'm not beating my wife anymore. I have finished the Stony Brooks course on masculinity and, in the interest of gender equality, I let my wife beat me up now.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 32 points33 points  (1 child)

in the interest of gender equality, I let my wife beat me up now.

According to Michael Kimmel, that doesn't happen.

[–]NotTuringBot 30 points31 points  (0 children)

According to the Duluth Model, even if it did happen the man should be arrested

[–]BadBoyProgrammer 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You are hurting her fists with your face. Shame on you!

[–]ImshortandIhateit 13 points14 points  (0 children)

What the fuck lol.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 102 points103 points  (10 children)

Reddit Administrator Response

Hey guys I know you have a community called the Red Pill who's premise is that people are stuck in the Matrix/ Plato's cave but let me prove that by responding robotically unthinkingly and without consciousness

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 49 points50 points  (5 children)

let me prove that by responding robotically unthinkingly and without consciousness

I suspect these guys can't think past lunch let alone anticipate consequences that may arise hours or days into the future.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 15 points16 points  (3 children)

They have the autonomy of a chicken going about its business in the pen.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

They haven't even figured out how to monetize one of the highest traffic sites on the planet. They've had years.

The best they've been able to figure is "hey guys, let's try strangling the communities to death. That'll fix revenue!"

These kids shouldn't be anywhere near anything of consequence.

[–]systemshock869 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately they're about to force all non cucked publicly traded companies out of California with their board gender quotas. This is warfare.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I predict that some board members will declare new "gender identities" to keep their jobs.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do we make some consequences happen to them? Is Reddit publicly traded and a possible takeover target? Or does it have advertisers we could boycott and tell them why, as the GamerGate people do?

[–]The_LongJohnDon 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Typical NPC response.

[–]Fyrjefe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can never get tired of the NPC Wojack meme. It's a great litmus test for finding who is willing to laugh at themselves, or double down and screech louder.

[–]Kyson5 126 points127 points  (13 children)

The time for abandoning ship approaches

I care more about our new safe haven rather than this shit stinking swamp of political correctness and feely feels

[–]daffy_duck233 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Reddit admins are allergic to rational arguments/proposals.

[–]freshoutofgravitas 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Hit em where it hurts. Anytime i feel like gilding someone, or click and advertising link, ill do it on forum.red , and maybe publish proof of transaction. Attract advertisers to forum red. Publish the receipt on reddit. "Hey i really liked that comment, so im going to gild it. On a website more deserving of the money! Peace out" I suspect reddit likes money, and dislikes users leaving for, and funding a more rational platform.

[–]cuteshooter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Atlantic Council members steering the censor ship of all big media could care less about shitty amounts of ad revenue.

They and their agencies care much more about controlling the narrative and making sure "the people" stay dumb (as in both stupid, and muted). Wake up!

[–]darchetype 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You said it. Regardless of what happens with this quarantine, reddit in general has turned into the post-wall girlfriend who I have lost all attraction toward, wasting my time and not improving my life in the slightest. It's time to dump her and move on.

[–]RatMan29 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would be nice if we could take some of Reddit's other groups with us when we go (or when they subsequently get banned). I'm surprised that MensRights and The_Donald, for examples, have been allowed to stay here for as long as they have.

[–]rygy3 -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

Why is there a need for abandoning ship? As far as I know Reddit doesn't intend to remove this sub, just make it harder to find. It's sad, but simultaneously helps us out because the fewer people swallowing the red pill the fewer alpha males to compete with for pussy.

[–]1SirKolbath 6 points7 points  (5 children)

For fucks sake, TRP is not about getting pussy!

It’s about improving yourself as a man. Jesus, have you actually read any of it!?

[–]Celicni 6 points7 points  (2 children)

is not about getting pussy

Straight from the sidebar:

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

It most definitely is about getting pussy. 90% of guys that find this will be billy betas, like I was, desperate for pussy. 20 year old guys want to fuck more than they want to stay alive. It's only after getting pussy that the real redpill hits you.

[–]1SirKolbath 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sexual strategy does not mean solely fucking women, and if you’re using women as a scoreboard your life is too pathetic to be calling anything you’re doing “redpelled”. There is a reason we discuss a broad spectrum of men’s rights, approach, personal improvement, and the like. Sexual strategy means strategy in a sexual marketplace.

You want to get pussy, go to the PUA forum, which is about getting laid. This is a discussion we have had here before, numerous times. Why is it that you blooper idjits have to spend three weeks here and declare you know what this place is all about constantly? It gets tiresome to have the same damn conversation over and over with people who either haven’t read the sidebar, or didn’t understand it.

This was a better forum when it had a minimum member time before you were allowed to comment or post.

[–]Celicni 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Get off your high horse dumbass. The goal is getting pussy. The journey to there is improving yourself as a man. That's why we're here and not in a PUA forum. I doubt almost anyone goes "hmm I just want to improve myself as a man" and then finds the red pill. You come here cause you're tired of being fucked by the world figuratively, and never fucked literally.

Once you learn how easy it actually is, then you focus specifically on improvement, but you don't teach someone to run before you teach them to walk.

Also, it's around exactly a year since I was here. I've improved myself greatly. What you don't understand is, my goal was to get pussy. Along the way, when I learned how to get pussy, I "understood" the sidebar as you say. But we all start with the same goal. Which is why, yes, the red pill most definitely is about getting pussy.

[–]rygy3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's about whatever you want it to be for. I don't care if I look fat or if I'm fit as fuck. Physical appearance doesn't make me happy. I don't need to improve myself for me because I'm confident as fuck and content how I am. I use Red Pill to get pussy. It's the reason I lift. Fuck self improvement. If that's what motivates you, as I'm sure it does you and many others, terrific. That's not why I'm here. For me, it's 100% about understanding social interactions, particularly with females, and arriving at a result that benefits me (getting laid).

I still don't understand talks of "abandoning ship" seeing as Reddit has given no indication of plans to ban the subreddit. To the extent of my knowledge, the ONLY thing they've done to this sub so far is make it harder for new people to stumble across.

[–]1SirKolbath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck on becoming an adult.

as Reddit has given no indication of plans to ban the subreddit.

You mean other than the quarantine that is literally discussed in this thread?

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (11 children)

The new forums.red design looks incredible. Can't wait to hop onto the ark, to be honest.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 49 points50 points  (9 children)

Thanks. I cannot stress enough this is entirely because we raised funds to get this done correctly. This is because of the community.

Take a look at the mobile version: http://a.trp.red/files/mobile.jpg

[–]JerryLawlerPigFace 11 points12 points  (3 children)

So basically there will be very little drop off if any between the reddit mobile app and this? It looks awesome.

Are all posts archived as well? Like literally every post from TRP reddit?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Are all posts archived as well? Like literally every post from TRP reddit?

Most are. We've been grabbing the highest voted posts every year.

There may be a few very low ranked ones that didn't make the cut.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For what it's worth, the sidebar files don't appear to have made it across onto forums.red. The sidebar is there but click any link in it and you get a 404 error.

[–]JerryLawlerPigFace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve experienced the same thing

[–]Idontsharemytacos 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Please, let the font size be configurable. I'll be a lot easier to read.

[–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

// , Doesn't your browser allow this already?

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On every browser I have experience of (IE, Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Brave) you type ctrl/+ for a bigger font and ctrl/- for a smaller font. Or ctrl/zero to go back to the original size. This should work on all sites. On a Mac you use the "command" key instead of ctrl.

[–]gELSK 0 points1 point  (1 child)

// , Is there going to be a mobile API?

Also, consider that domain name providers and hosting providers can shut you down, too. What's your safe haven from the safe haven?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes there will be an API for mobile apps.

We have been investing in a free-speech oriented infrastructure, largely in part due to our donations.

We have a free-speech registrar we are moving to and are finalizing terms with a data center as we speak.

[–]1Imperator_Red 14 points15 points  (4 children)

We're like the Pilgrims, getting ready to ditch Europe for the new world. If only I could do this in real life too.

[–]saucierlol 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Here's to hope you can live long enough to be a space colon. I know I'd sign up.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It took me a while to figure out your typo. I was visualizing a "space colon" as having a black hole at one end...

[–]saucierlol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not a typo just I thought it is said colon in english as well, I just checked, it's colonist, didn't know that.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the word you wanted was colony.

[–]SlurpTime 15 points16 points  (2 children)

They will never be direct or clear about this, because if they did, it would mean admitting it makes no sense. They are essentially asking us to stop rattling the wrong cages, which we both know will not happen. We're gonna get slapped with an uncaring ban here soon.

[–]OracleofFl 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think they have no intention of taking TRP off quarantine or banning the subreddit regardless of what the mods do or say. It is like we are on "double secret probation".

[–]Geronus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well yeah, duh. They know perfectly well that if they commit to any concrete guidelines they'll have a complete shit show on their hands between us subsequently following them to the letter and then pointing out every single instance of subs they don't want to ban breaking the very same rules.

This has nothing to do with any one specific thing we did or said here. There is nothing The Red Pill can do to get out of quarantine because what they really want is for it to stop being what it is, i.e. a collection of inconvenient truths and people willing to speak them.

[–]slam9 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Was this really the first response? Weeks of appealing and one BS, 3 sentence, vague dodge of a response?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This and yesterday we received

"We're experiencing higher than usual support volume, but want to let you know that we have received your message. If we need to follow up with you, we'll message you here."

[–]slam9 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a bot. Thanks for putting up with these people for us.

[–]Eckersley01 19 points20 points  (10 children)

I can't seem to comprehend the insistence on remaining where one is obviously not wanted anymore.

All actions/energies shd be geared solely towards relocating.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I can't seem to comprehend the insistence on remaining where one is obviously not wanted anymore.

We remain here because men who need this community can more easily find it.

Whenever someone makes a hate-filled anti-TRP comment, guys will inevitably wander over here out of curiosity. Some of those men will be awoken by what they read and become a part of the community.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It happened to me. I doubt I would have found the red pill without reddit.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once we do move, maybe we can get subreddits on similar topics (ie MensRights, PUA) to link to forums.red from their sidebars. That seems more likely than leaving a skeleton site here and expecting it to stay up.

[–]beginner_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I can't seem to comprehend the insistence on remaining where one is obviously not wanted anymore.

Cost? Don't underestimate the cost of managing your own site including hosting, traffic, updates, security!!!

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You may have missed it because I edited in a bit on the bottom of this post. Check out the last section.

[–]WolfenSatyr -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

It's not about staying, it's about sending a message. Would you allow a beta-male to chase you out of a room simply because he didn't didn't like you?

[–]1SirKolbath 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Does the beta male own the house?

[–]WolfenSatyr -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Does it matter? When you have the choice on how to leave do you leave meekly and quietly or do you smirk, lean in and say "sure thing boss", straighten the man's lapels, and walk out grinning?

[–]1SirKolbath 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is exactly what we are doing.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Interesting profit strategy. Alienate userbase with inconsistent rules and censorship.

All while leaving /r/strugglefucking there for all the advertisers to see.

#8 on their front page is "Raped drunk."

[–]1Imperator_Red 2 points3 points  (3 children)

On the second page is a porn acting out the rape of a paralyzed girl in a wheelchair.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

There isn't even a struggle in that one.

Does /u/spez endorse this content since it's not quarantined?

[–]1Imperator_Red 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reddit admins are fucking disgusting humans. They condone paralyzed rape and drunk rape. I don't think the people watching this shit actually even like it. They just graduate to ever more extreme forms of porn because their brain becomes desensitized to regular stuff. Porn is like heroin.

[–]frankreyes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

spez has been asked many times about why The_Donald has not been banned, and his answer was always along the lines of:

Generally the mods of the_donald have been cooperative when we approach them with systematic abuses. Typically we ban entire communities only when the mods are uncooperative or the entire premise of the community is in violation of our policies.

Check out his latest AMA.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, and the other platforms that have been banning people, have become converged. That is, they are controlled by the Social "Justice" movement. When this happens to an organization, all of its previous goals, including making money, become subordinate to, if not completely replaced by, that of rewarding the "woke" and punishing everyone else. So they drive away and/or purge their competent employees, stop producing value, and run themselves into bankruptcy. Then the plague rats (SJWs) will leave the sinking ship and look for other organizations they can ruin.

I hope whoever is running forums.red can keep any SJWs from ever having votes about how it is run. Otherwise this will all happen again.

[–]Fulp_Piction 6 points7 points  (2 children)

So have the administration responded at all?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

[–]Fulp_Piction 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh, thats so similar to the quarantine statement I didnt realise it was a separate message.

[–]DreamHappy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So this sub-reddit that men gravitate to learn how to get women to open their legs, but ultimately leads them to turn themselves into real men, is banned. However, all the NSFW sub-reddits displaying women of open legs are allowed wholeheartedly? Speechless!

[–]brontide 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I feel like we're living the cover of a bad women's magazine.


"If you don't know I'm not telling" and 50 other ways to determined that your relationship is doomed.

[–]blackleaf31 4 points5 points  (15 children)

We need an attorney to help us write an appeal. The work that has been done is on the right track, but is not thought through.

I could take a stab at it, but I would need to be appointed by the mods to act on behalf of the subreddit.

In any case, we should have one voice on this, and we should do this with a bit more formalism, and not be so half cocked about it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (14 children)

We need an attorney to help us write an appeal. The work that has been done is on the right track, but is not thought through.

An attorney for the kangaroo court?

[–]blackleaf31 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Actually, yes. Putting your best foot forward in a professional way is a good strategy here.

Let's assume they think poorly of us ideologically. Presenting an appeal that is half baked confirms their disposition. If on the other hand we present a reasoned, thought out, professional appeal, it may not help our chances in the end, but it can't hurt. And I would argue it will help, because they will see a professional, moderated, thoughtful critique.

In other words, advocacy is at its highest importance in this situation, because it is only with great advocacy that we have a any chance of moving forward.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

I'm guessing you haven't been around here for long.

The entire premise of this subreddit is that we are in a system that simply cannot tolerate us and will fight to remove us.

We have insulted their ideology. This isn't a matter of drafting up legalese to make it work. They already showed their hand at the beginning. They gave us a false choice. Don't fall for it. The thing standing between us and a reversal is not a lawyer.

[–]blackleaf31 6 points7 points  (9 children)

You have guessed incorrectly.

If you are convinced the fix is in, then why are you bothering to file any kind of appeal at all? What is the point of a futile gesture?

And if there is a point in it, then why not do it as well as you can?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

You seem like a smart guy, I bet you can answer some of those questions if you think about it.

[–]blackleaf31 4 points5 points  (7 children)

The answer I have come up with doesn't make sense given red pill philosophy.

This whole thing strikes me as the equivalent of trying to win back the girl that has rejected us. Not typically advised in red pill.

But let's assume we decide to go against this note of general caution, and try to win back the girl (Reddit).

Do we think we can win back the girl, or not?

If we want to win back the girl, but we are convinced that we can't, but we are going to do it anyway without rational basis, it is undervaluing of ourselves. We are debasing ourselves in a meaningless act of self pity and flagellation for no possible gain. Reddit (the girl) will rightfully take our pointless screed and laugh at us. Which they probably should, given our total collapse of frame of self respect. We are doing it this pointless act, even though we know we can't succeed. That is pathos inducing.

In the alternative, if we want to win back the girl, and we think we can, then we should probably do better then a half baked, angry rant of a gilted boyfriend, and try to do this with some greater deliberation, style, and self respect. We ultimately may not succeed in our goal, but at least we will have given our best, and validated ourselves and our self worth by doing what we believed in to the limit of our skill and talent.

Doing it the way we have so far is not showing the self respect red pill says we are all worth.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

What if reddit isn't the girl?

[–]blackleaf31 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Well, ask yourself, did they do what they did because 1) we broke an objective rule of the site that has been documented or 2) they are virtue signaling, without indicating any particular wrong doing by us, and are acting based on feels?

So yeah, I think Reddit is the girl in this analogy.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I think you should look a bit deeper here.

[–]AllahHatesFags 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Maybe we should get this all the way to the Supreme Court, where Kavanaugh can write an opinion for the majority that states that sjw corporate tools can't limit freedom of speech on their platforms.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that ruling did come down, it would also mean that our side's platforms, including trp.red, would have to let the SJWs in and let them post as they please. Do you really want to go there? I sure don't.

[–]SorbateHead 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The quarantine is evidence that TRP has struck a nerve deep within the cultural marxist shit hole.

What is most "shocking" about TRP is the truth that is brought into the light of day. "Offensive" only to those who stand something to lose if this truth were to be realized on a grand scale. All they can do is label TRP with all of their buzzwords and triggers to keep whipped men from seeing what's on the other side of the wall.

[–]memphisjohn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

forums.red

This is really what reddit wants. To see all free thinkers gone. I wonder how that aligns with their shareholder value requirements but hey that's none of my business.

[–]wss5112 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that this sort of practice (by the admin pretending there're rules to be followed etc) is quite common in modern days.
I study law. Quite often in administrative context, governments do all these kind of Reddit practice.
They state the relevant law.
They state they considered the law.
They state how the thing you're seeking is in violation the law.
They state that's why a decision is reached against you.

The formula is simple, show the others that you considered what and you decision is based on that.

The problem is quite often ignored by the rest is the 'rational connection' of the stated law and the arrived decision.
If Reddit admin can specifically point towards something, as representing TRP and the mods of the TRP not acting in accordance with Reddit's community standards, and if the Admin could rationally connect HOW these content and the mods by allowing them to continue to exist in TRP, then problem solved.

But TBH, it's Reddit and those admins are just probably community people, they just do whatever they think fit in their gut, and trying to find some "law" to justify their actions.

It's why men don't initiate arguments with women for the same reason. Most of them just pretend things are arguable and they follow a commonly accepted practice of argument, which is driven by rationality.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You guys don't even let new posters post. It's hard to truly support a forum that doesn't even have the men joining in their interest. I tried to ask questions twice on this forum and you don't allow us to post.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

That's to prevent trolls who get banned and make 10 new accounts the same day. You're suggesting a huge heap of extra work for the already over-worked mods.

If you legitimately need help, you will not have a problem sitting down, reading the sidebar for a day or two before joining the discussion.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've had my account 5 years, I've never posted on Reddit except for this account. I had a specific issue. You assume I haven't read most of the side bar, I don't say all because I prefer not to lie.

Not everyone is an internet troll. Some people want to ask legitimate questions and they are legitimate (not a side bar topic).

Is that too nuanaced? That's why Reddit quarantined red pill, they can't see nuances. But the mods here treat the new people like Reddit treats the forum.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But the mods here treat the new people like Reddit treats the forum.

No, the mods treat new accounts with low priority.

That's because a lot of new accounts aren't new people, they are trolls.

You're able to post here, right?

So what's the issue?

[–]gELSK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

// , Take some of your own advice, though, and try to see the nuances here.

Can you post now? Can you imagine possible scenarios, like "Reddit Brigading" that the enforced delays would prevent?

[–]jay_jay_man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm a developer. How can I contribute?

[–]Seripha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Super annoying they quarantained. Why treat people like kids - freedom of speech plz, we in the west...

[–]eclectro 1 point2 points  (7 children)

The did ban TRP at the same time as and with a bunch of white supremacists, Nazis, and things involving dead bodies to give them cover. Don't forget that bit.

[–]triplewitching2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Actually, there was a logical progression to the bans, only leading up to this one. In retrospect, its not that different then how the Nazis purged Germany of undesirables, as described in a famous poem.

First they came for r/coontown and I said nothing, because I love my black brothers and sisters

Then they came for r/incel and I said nothing, because I don't really care about those beta guys

Then they came for me—and I looked around for other edgy politically incorrect groups to support me, but there was no one left to speak for me

I'm not saying we should break bread with some racists, but maybe the internet needs its own Internet Civil Liberties Union that does defend these other subreddits, and for the same reason we need the ACLU IRL, because if you don't stand up for unpopular thought, someday your thought will be on the chopping block, and here we are.

[–]gELSK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

// , Coontown (finally figuring out what it was about) seemed a bit out there and extreme. But I get the overall idea.

[–]RatMan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a sort of "ICLU", eff.org. But they have stayed noticeably quiet ever since the James Damore firing kicked off the current round of bans and shadowbans by the Internet's largest companies. I have asked them why and gotten no reply, so I suspect at least some SJWs now sit on their board, making them unfit for their chartered purpose.

[–]triplewitching2 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Actually, there was a logical progression to the bans, only leading up to this one. In retrospect, its not that different then how the Nazis purged Germany of undesirables, as described in a famous poem.

First they came for the coontown sub and I said nothing, because I love my black brothers and sisters

Then they came for the incel sub and I said nothing, because I don't really care about those beta guys

Then they came for me—and I looked around for other edgy politically incorrect groups to support me, but there was no one left to speak for me

I'm not saying we should break bread with some racists, but maybe the internet needs its own Internet Civil Liberties Union that does defend these other subreddits, and for the same reason we need the ACLU IRL, because if you don't stand up for unpopular thought, someday your thought will be on the chopping block, and here we are.

[–]cuteshooter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Internet Civil Liberties Union

Its' called the EFF> Electronic Frontier Foundation.

[–]triplewitching2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well, its good that it exists, but they need to try a little harder, since reddit is getting sanitized of all un PC content pretty fast, soon we will be down to r-awww, and even that sub actually bans people for their posts in other subs (WTF, awww, really !!)

[–]cuteshooter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can help them instead of saying they need to try harder.

I have my projects, doing something.

In other words, stfu and gtfo there and do something instead of complaining like some menstruating bitch.

[–]Herdsengineers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why not ask them how come redpill gets quarantined to protect people from things they might not want to see but subs that are dedicated to porn, chicks pegging guys in the ass with dildos, etc. aren't? oh wait, libtards - they actually support all forms of degeneracy and radical destruction of all things male.

[–]livinglikeJamesBond 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I couldn't find the Red Pill subreddit at all last weekend – is it because quarantined content doesn't show up in searches or because the subreddit got actually deleted for some reason? Why is it back up now?

[–]LoveYourNeighbor3848 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have to be logged in and approve objectionable content to see it. It is dark web now

[–]abyr9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might be a good idea to ask TRP subscribers to record a short video on YouTube telling how they found TRP and how it changed their lives. The only thing left is to pick the most moving stories and assemble them into a 3 minute video.

That video would be a hell of appeal. Also good for attracting new followers.

[–]safa61947 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Godspeed on forums.red. I'm ready to move, downloaded all the sidebar material as well.

[–]Snowpeartea 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So to get trp feeds. I can still access this on forums.red? I need you guys! Without you guys I have no will to live. :(

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

an still access this on forums.red? I need you guys! Without you guys I have no will to live. :(

Yes. Forums.Red will be open soon, but in the mean time, chat with others at TRP.RED

[–]kalashnick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is straight-up 1984 censorship. You have to wake up and see the connection. Unprecedented times these are for the USA.

[–]TempleOfIron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a MGTOW, (won't be long before we too are on chopping block) I'll help all I can with the new forums. Let's make it glorious.

[–]RedDespair 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't think the quarantine will ever leave this sub. A small popularity boost could make this one of the top most subscribed subs in reddit.

U/spazzz is afraid that reddit will be known as the redpill site

[–]gELSK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

// , It's a legitimate concern.

RedPill is toothless compared to what would happen if they attempted to ban some of the gender politics ideology subreddits.

[–]EdmondDaunts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thomas Huxley had a quote: “The great tragedy of science - The slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact”

What I’ve witnessed over the last 20 years with the rise of Cultural Marxism is idealism over reality. And like the synthetic CDOs of the GFC much more leverage in fantasy land can have real world consequences without being filtered througj reason and sense.

We are reaching the peak of the Predator-Prey cycle. All that is left is survival and its related contingency

[–]Sekaiwoshiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so how is the forums.red site going to work?

if we post on the forums.red website will it be posted here on reddit too?

if we comment on the forums.red will it be posted here on reddit too?

and would the reverse also be true?

or are we going to ditch this place completely and only post on forums.red?

because if we make a new forum for trp, that would mean less members would come here and would rather go to forums.red, which in turn will cause less activity here. And i don't think i'm gonna alternate between two sites either, and i'm sure other members think the same.

I just don't understand which one is gonna the default hub for us

[–]gELSK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

// , I'm glad to see that this project accepts donations in Bitcoin, because they will have records on the Public Bitcoin Blockchain that may improve accountability.

[–]Aazaad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Attempt at censorship. Plain and simple.

[–]botsquash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you should also have a bitcoin cash donation address and cross posts onto censorship free sites like memo.cash

[–]BluBlac59 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've noticed some woman bashers on here occasionally. (Frustrated looking for help or answers types) They need to be removed or moderated and this needs to remain a men's self improvement page. It's to easy for frustration to be labeled hate when it's just some guy starting on his Red Pill journey.

[–]kealh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck? Redpill is one sub Reddit that actually change my life. It gives me the opportunity to look inward and change. Either lift or dating. God I just hate social justice win and take this great sub away.

[–]DancesWithPugs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Raw power exercised by flabby minds with no consistent standards is authoritarianism.

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[–]wozniak_slawomir 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'd also be more than happy to help with the project. If there's something with ReactJS or NodeJS, I'm into

[–]half-past-five 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Can also help with Vue, Mongo, Node.