Red Pill TheoryWhen she is interested YOU'LL KNOW. (self.TheRedPill)

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I've noticed a lot of people on ASKTRP asking "Oh she did this, and this" "This must mean she isn't interested, but this hints that she could be interested."..... NO. She isn't interested, you are being pulled into orbiter status.

If you can't say "Damn she seems almost too eager to see me", then she does not want to see you.

For example ; doesn't want to see you again. "I'm sorry, I can't come tomorrow, I'm so busy with so many assignments and I have 13 labs to do; I'm so exhausted!"

Many guys will think "If I wasn't interested I would just say I'm not interested, but she didn't say that so she must be interested!" and thus "I think she could be interested, but her story doesn't seem convincing so maybe she isn't that interested" and thus "I must play harder because if I try harder she will definitely be attracted!" ... Commence free mental rent. Commence over investment. Commence chase.

Now for when she does want to see you. "I'm so sorry, tomorrow won't work my schedule is full! I really want to see you though how about another time??!".

Now you're good.

Notice the subtle differences in the Womanese language. The first example is a very calculated attack. Women want to keep you around to reap benefits off you even if those benefits don't include dick; thus they devised a very dubious language to trick fools.

Men wouldn't notice these subtle differences because we have no such desire to keep women we aren't attracted to around.

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[–]1warlordchad 238 points239 points  (39 children)

As I've written before, this is why women will say, "I have a boyfriend," instead of "I'm not interested/no thanks pal." Because they CANNOT bring themselves to deliberately tell a man they're not interested and therefore, he shouldn't be either. "I have a boyfriend" implies, "but otherwise I'd listen--maybe sometime in the future." It's also why you have to treat it as a shit test, because if you can prove you're alpha enough, the job is yours.

Here's what you do if she's not interested: either do not reply at all or tell her something like: "Sounds like you're really busy. See you around." Then don't reply EVER until she initiates.

Yes, you'll never hear from some women in this case, but if that happens, there was probably nothing you could do anyway and you're better off just to move on.

However, if she's mildly interested, or really was busy, you've got the hamster spinning--now she's wondering what you've got going on that's so good you're not asking her out again.

My rule is to ask twice. One time, OK, she's busy, can't make it, whatever. If she's interested, she'll usually suggest another time when she is free. But because some women are socially inept and can't communicate like adults, it's fine to ask a second time. If at that point she's busy, cue the routine above--but if she IS interested, asking the second time will prompt her to suggest another time when she is free.

In the meantime, lift, man the mission, and meet more girls. It's all about creating abundance.

And trust me, some of them will zombie back.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Here's what you do if she's not interested: either do not reply at all or tell her something like: "Sounds like you're really busy. See you around." Then don't reply EVER until she initiates.

Just like Heartiste's Birthday Cat reply, my favorite is the Broccoli reply. Recently had a girl tell me something like "I won't be able to have a coffee with you I am sorry I am too busy lately". "LOL Ok" I think and reply with, "🥦". Suitably ambiguous. Have had girls lose their mind trying to figure out what it meant haha.

[–]FlNALLY 9 points10 points  (0 children)

LOL wow, I thought I was one of few to hear about a strategy like this. I have a model friend who I was visiting in LA a few years back who said, "Whenever a girl says some dismissive shit, or flakes, I reply with the Ant Emoji. They always come back. It drives them nuts."

"Whats the Ant mean?" I asked.

He says, "Nothing. Fucking, nothing."

[–]swampbastard69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

what is Broccoli reply? I love birthday cat - it has worked multiple times.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the broccoli reply is texting a girl a broccoli emoji. I can't use birthday cat, because I don't have the emoji on my phone.

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[–]Scriptopeia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am so alpha I don't even need to ask!

[–]fearofgod1 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Just tried this, and the result was astonishing. We work in the same building and she found me and said omg I’m sorry you must be so mad. I replied with a strong “I’m not mad, why would I be mad??” And after holding frame throughout the conversation she started grabbing my arm and couldn’t believe that I wasn’t phased. Moral is you’re life is super busy and you’re on a mission, if she’s not helping you(sexually) she’s in your way.

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[–]anonswede 30 points31 points  (12 children)

Or they've been told by friends and media that rejected men being dangerous is super duper common

[–]majaka1234 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I mean a woman says no to me and I just hulk out and leave a trail of destruction that the A-team would be impressed by.

Don't even get me started on people who walk slowly and take up the entire footpath!

If only someone had sat me down as a kid and taught me not to assault people but alas they only did the consent talk.

[–]VolatileEnemy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You joke, but some beta maggot losers cannot handle rejection. Some ASDs flip out and they do harm or seek revenge or try to humiliate or make a scene. There are lots of men who get really angry and may insult the woman or yell at her or something and that's enough to really ruin a girls week. Women are just protecting themselves from these retards.

It's probably not common, but women fear humiliation more than anything so even 1 time or 1 bad past experience, or even 1 horrific insult after rejecting a man was traumatizing enough for the woman to never do it again and find other softer ways to reject.

[–]majaka1234 3 points4 points  (1 child)

There must be some really weak willed women out there since rejection is a natural part of life.

[–]VolatileEnemy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are weak willed and also very sensitive.

Women are sensitive. Say something terrible about your plate/LTR looks sometime, but say it dead serious, not joking. She's going to think about it the whole month and if she thinks she has power, she will find a way to hurt you back with something about you that you are sensitive about.

Say something terrible about the appearance of some girl at a bar... See how they react. It's not going to be good.

[–]askmrcia 9 points10 points  (1 child)

If you go on other sub reddit I swear you would think every guy that gets rejected goes into rage mode and starts breaking shit.

I get that it happens sometimes but no where near the amount of time these movies (fuckin lifetime) and redditors will have you think.

[–]VolatileEnemy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But even one time or even hearing a story about that one time it did happen among girls, is enough to scare most girls from doing any direct rejections. They'd rather just not deal with it.

And saying "I have a boyfriend" is a convenient rejection without actually having to say "I don't like you" or "You're too short for me" or something like that which could trigger a man into a rage (because let's face it, we all would get mad if we actually heard honest feedback from women about why they didn't like us).

A man's instinct for getting rejected for assessment X is to respond with arguments as to why the assessment is wrong. Women don't like to argue with someone they don't want anything to do with.

Goes back to "you can't negotiate attraction"

[–]erthian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yea or something like this. point is its inconclusive and not worth trying to be a mind reader.

[–]NoFap_FV -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

Depends on where you live and the society you're immerse, actually this happens, if you don't want to admit it you have a big problem.
And I talk from experience, my sister rejected a guy straight out and he started to become some kind of fucking creep, we (me and my sister) had to come with a plan to actually kick the shit out of this guy because he was getting dangerous, I once saw him in MY FUCKING STREET when he lived ACROSS FUCKING TOWN and I live in a mountain area where you only have like 4 streets in my neighborhood.
So yes, men being dangerous it's common, if you think "lurking" around someone house like you own it or some shit it's fine, then it's not, no, "you are free to walk wherever you want" doesn't apply when it comes to seeing what someone does.

[–]askmrcia 11 points12 points  (1 child)

You named one time and had the nerve to say it was common. To say something that your sister experienced is common then I expect it to happen alot more times when she was rejected.

I too have a sister and lots of guys tried asking her out and she rejected alot of them. Not one acted creepy or anything remotely close to what you said.

I also have 4 nieces all college age and a few female cousins (I have a shit ton of women in my family) and same thing.

Dudes do not go into rage or creepy mode just because they got rejected as much as you think.

[–]MrCongeniality1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exaggerating the 0.01% is exactly the kind of anxiety-rattled thinking that has created the current political climate.

[–]Patric_MasterBateman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

can I have your sister's number ?

[–]erthian 9 points10 points  (0 children)

maybe, but you don't need to figure this out. trying to guess if she's showing interest is just looking for the OK to go. treat women that show interest and don't show interest the same. assume attraction, engage, and bail if she's not responsive.

[–]jcrpta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think "freaked out" is the right word; I think it's possible a lot of women have wound up being drawn into a great big long conversation about why she's not interested.

A conversation she doesn't really want to have because it'll wind up going around in circles and the only other way to end it is to say "Look, I can't help who I find attractive".

Easiest way to stop that conversation going around in circles? Don't let it start.

[–]AlphaGinger66 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The girls that want to see you make it very easy to set up plans to see them. If they're not interested that's when you get the excuses. And like you said if they are genuinely into you, they make time despite being busy.

[–]CHIPPENDALESIXNINE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree; I've had the boyfriend line used on me before, but mostly because they actually had a boyfriend. You still find out if they're interested or not by accepting the answer and waiting. Some of the chicks that "had a boyfriend" would initiate contact days later and eventually cheat, some really used it as a soft rejection.

I even had a girl at a college party tell me to "get in line" when I told her I wanted to stay the night with her, to which everyone busted out laughing, including myself. I ended up pumping and dumping her down the road after she got my number from a friend and initiated contact.

Accept and ignoring when you're unsure works in every situation and has no negative sides at all. If she's not interested and she's angry at you for not chasing, she's either an attention whore or kinda crazy-clingy. If she's interested, she'll get with you when she wants and it will work out. If she's not interested, you save yourself a lot of humiliation, pride, time, etc., and receive a good reference from her if one of her friends thinks you're cute in the future.

[–]Scorchyy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Woman say "I have a boyfriend" because they don't like confrontation and they know just saying "I'm not interested in you" would be rude and it could put them in danger if the guy gets mad because of it so they'll always find a soft way to say it by lying, it's an evolutionary thing, women will always try to avoid conflicts.

[–]desi-gooner 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was literally told not interested by a chick last night.

[–]Standgrounding 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes girls initiate first.

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[–]DavidEagle68 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Damn... he straight deleted his account 😂😂

[–]erthian 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I can't believe you've done this.

[–]binkerfluid 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What does man the mission mean?

[–]1warlordchad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Become a better person. Get in better shape, make more money, do something creative, be a bigger badass.

[–]TheScarletScholar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Find something (hobby, profession, activity) that gives you purpose in your life to be passionate about and that you care about. Why do you wake up in the morning?

[–]ryandiy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like "man the helm." Keep your focus on your mission.

Having a mission which is more important to you than any woman will make you much more attractive than a man who focuses primarily on women.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you'll never hear from some most women in this case, but if that happens, there was probably nothing you could do anyway and you're better off just to move on.

I fixed this sentence for you.

[–]Luckyluke23 39 points40 points  (5 children)

women have this " if i tell him no, he will yell and scream at me" complex.

so they don't tell you OUTRIGHT no. they give you a subtle " maybe next time"

whenever a woman says maybe, it means no. almost always.

[–]itsfedge 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Context: Blonde HB8 receptionist who’s been giving me major IOIs(hair twirling, lip biting, turning to look at me as I’m walking. Starts messing with shit when I talk to her (flipping a coffee mug.) Body language is the complete opposite when talking to other men(Easy way to see where you’re at with her.)Receives attention daily from all other dudes. I’m sure I wasn’t the first one she said this to? I wonder what the other guys responded huh

She said, “I have a boyfriend” when I asked her out.

I replied, “I don’t care, smiled and walked away”

Her reaction? Jaw dropped immediately. An hour later she reinitiated contact with me. Other girls in her girl network’s reaction? They give me that smile like yea we know what you’re about and also became interested in me.

I saw this earlier, “they want to play but they want you to win” VERY rarely have I not had to pass a shit test(game) to become intimate with a women.

NEXT her tho brah XD she’s not interested!! Right?

[–]VolatileEnemy 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Well of course her jaw dropped, you just said your thoughts out loud "care, smiled and walked away". That was a very strange thing to say to her. She was shocked.

[–]geo_gan 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That’s because a lot of the time it is true. And remember unlike a lot of the people on here, they (good looking HB7+) have had years of experience of constantly having to reject loser men and it only takes one or two bad reactions to make them learn it’s not a good idea. I did the same thing myself all the time, any time a HB5 or less that I was not interested in tried to chat me up in bars, I wouldI never outright say, “sorry love you are insulting me by even thinking you have a chance”, I usually just smiled and walked away, unsure of what to say to let them down without hurting their feelings.

[–]TFWnoLTR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most people don't deal well with rejection. It's very true. Its dishonest to frame it as some sort of malicious pattern of behavior.

[–]DeontologicalSanders 59 points60 points  (3 children)

Relevant side bar item:

The Medium is the Message

When it comes to men, women do not do accountability. They do not do responsibility. They do not do direct communication.

A woman is never going to tell you "I am not very interested in you." Mixed signals are her version of "No, but without me actually having to tell you no".

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Other relevant TRP 101 item: “watch what she does, not what she says”.

In other words, ignore most of that “womanly language” and focus on her behaviour to determine her level of interest: is she actively trying to meet you or not?

[–]SteveStJohn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

An all time great post. Also, from that:

Women with high interest level (IL) wont confuse you. When a woman wants to fuck you she’ll find a way to fuck you. If she’s fluctuating between being into you and then not, put her away for a while and spin other plates. If she sorts it out for herself and pursues you, then you are still playing in your frame and you maintain the value of your attention to her.

[–]markinsinz7 43 points44 points  (12 children)

Some of them do play hard to get though. They then end up regretting it a bit later. Just like us they read cosmos and shitt. So even for high SMV guys with whom they want to be considered as a serious gf contender they play coy.

For us, A lot depends on abundance. If you have tons of girls u fuckin then they'll sense this and may chase u. Girls too get turned down when they show interest bright as day this results in them playing games with future guys.

Hence why one should keep trying within limits on those girls that give mixed signals but NEVER get desperate or chase. Maybe u hit the timing right once and it's bangtime.

But yes the best sex are the ones where 'it just happens' effortlessly. You naturally smash thru shit tests and never truly worry about if the girl likes u or not. It's an amazing feeling. This is what all top 10% men get.

So do guys with game but their playing on the high end of the 'numbers game'. High SMV guys do not like rejection.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 9 points10 points  (6 children)

When it's around be friendly, but don't go out of your way to let her know you're down.

Make your intentions clear, if she's interested she will reciprocate.

If she wants to play hard to get and you like wasting time and playing games by all means, play along. I prefer a more straightforward approach. I don't have time to waste.

[–]markinsinz7 6 points7 points  (5 children)

True, but I find almost all the girls I want are this way which yea I know obviously means increase SMV. But I'm trying to improve game n SMV simultaneously.

The thing though has been for eg I met a girl the other day in a class who seemed interested to chat. Basic IOIs and all that. Then after class casually asked to hang out for a bit and do coffee she was like "gotta meet my friends". I understand where ur coming from but it appears a balance needs to be attained unless u are high value.

And let's be real for a lot of us even lifting - takes a while to produce real SMV value like I'm talking months if not years. I would rather fuck hot girls sooner. Not to mention it's good practice for frame.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I had a similar situation. She gave me her number. Setup a day to get together. She's busy. Says she'll be in contact. No contact. I re-initiate down the line. She's out of town says she'll be in contact later that night when she's back. I ran into her in town later that night with her friends. Obviously she wasn't very interested.

I ghosted and no contact. That's fine with me, she's cute, my style of human, but just no interest.

I run a little business. This very cute artsy girl comes in from time to time. I got my degree in music. She tells me about how much she knows music, talks down to me (about music and as if I'm a lackey employee at my shop. She doesn't know any better so I just ignore it). I have forgotten more about music than she knows. Anyway she talks about her gigs and how she's playing with "some big name that I've never heard so probably a big fucking nobody" and how honoured she is. She gets gifts from my shop for these big "stars" she's opening for. She spends 50 - 80 bucks every time she comes in to my shop on these acts she's opening for. She also tells me about the other gifts she has purchased for them from other stores and how she's putting together a "little gift set".

If she likes you she will let you know. Whether it is through games or overt indicators. As soon as she sees the games aren't working she'll either get in line or she's not worth it.

Another example. One of my buddies is a very successful engineer. He owns his own house, incredibly smart, works out, has his own side business, and is married to a woman who doesn't love him (he's still blue pill nice-guy). He texts me saying "my wife won't talk to me, I just spent 200 dollars on her dinner, she's drunk and eye fucking the waiter and won't even look me in the eye".

Women aren't as smart as we give them credit. Think of how dumb the average person is. Half of humanity is dumber than that.

Nothing worth it comes easy. If you want to just fuck chicks you can. If you want a quality girl it will take work and patience. If it was easy everyone would do it. That's what sets you apart. Become a quality man and quality women will come.

It's up to you tho at the end of the day. What you want is what you strive for. I'm not telling you to live your life the way I have or do.

[–]markinsinz7 15 points16 points  (1 child)

There's no more such things as quality girls, or if there are it's super super rare. I've seen every type of well mannered amazing looking fantastic personality give up her pussy to all kinds of guys. Guys with no game even, why? Cause in that moment it was easy fun and he just happen to be there.

Most girls now straighten their act out by 25+ since they realise times on its way. These girls can fool the regular Joe, hell even chads get fooled but give it time and it'll come out.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well I guess it depends on what you consider "quality" to be.

[–]zestytacoz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want to just fuck chicks you can.

That still takes work though, doesn't it?

[–]NeedingAdvice86 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is misunderstood because of the TRP cognitive dissonance where by women are TOO STUPID to breathe without the guidance of a TRP male at the same time that they are supposed to be Sexual Market Place ninjas were whereby they always are 100% confident, always make the exact right move at the very right time and perfectly read every aspect of male behavior and every aspect of male body language and every dating encounter is enacted with 100% perfection.

That comes from the fact that the vast majority of TRPe donactually spend much time around actual women...if they did, then they would fucking KNOW that women scared shitless of most aspect of showing interest in a man. And they have shitload ton of insecurities along with a horrid fear of showing interest in a high value male who may not like them back.

That is why women difficult to read...along with classic men have no fucking clue about determining their signs.

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[–]markinsinz7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea pretty aware but it's hard to make a girl not feel like a hoe when she sleeps with u few hours after meeting .and I mean during day game. Bar nights are different there it's somewhat excusable for girls but day game is tough of general social game when one doesn't have the status

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[–]mineralranch 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Regardless, it's best not to fuck a drunk girl you don't know well in the first place. Too easy for them to wake up in the morning and think " maaaaaaaybe I didn't want that. I was raped!!!"

[–]12345jk12345 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Still upset about something that happened 15 yes ago?

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[–]tempolaca 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Dude, 15 years ago my beautiful friend, who was also a model, just asked to sleep in my bed. She knew I had the hots for her.

In the middle of the night I couldn't stand it anymore, just sucked her tits and fucked her in the ass. I never came so much, it overflowed her ass. Next morning we were friends again. Up until this time I think maybe I shouldn't have done it. She can easily say I took advantage of her (yeah she was in my bed but still) so don't be hard on you.

[–]SimulatedWoodpecker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright so me and this girl are making out, things start to move very quickly, I am in her room I took her to her bed unhook her bra, grabbing her tit while she is sucking the dear life out of my neck but I stop her as she soon as she about to grab my dick. Why ? Because, I have no protection and I am 100% sure she is not on pills. Now does that make me beta? I don't think so, because sometimes if it's not safe you can deny sex and mind you guys this is a girl I been trying to Fuck for the past 4 months but I never took her on a date or anything just used to make casual conversations that had sexual undertone to it.

[–]Quaternionz 15 points16 points  (12 children)

This is generally true. A solid prospect you meet at a bar will often kino you back heavily and then respond to a text later with great enthusiasm.

But there are definitely other girls that it’s not so clear with. They’re passive and they just go with the flow. They don’t IOI you heavily, but they’re down to hang and they don’t flake. They accept your kino, but they don’t ever touch you back. You always text them, they never text you. When you do text them it’s not hard to schedule a hookup. They give you no ASD in bed and the sex is animalistic.

They show no proactive interest at all, but they also put up no resistance.

These girls are actually the hardest to get used to when you’re transitioning into TRP. Betas love women who show a lot of proactive interest and take the lead in escalating the relationship. Gaming girls who are extremely feminine and passive is almost harder, in a certain way, because most men aren’t comfortable taking the leadership role with a woman to quite that degree.

When a beta encounters that kind of girl he just freezes and assumes she’s not interested. “If she was interested I’d know,” he thinks to himself. But she is interested. She’s just expecting him to take the lead, and he has no idea how.

[–]DropDeadTyrant 3 points4 points  (9 children)

I know a girl exactly like this. She lets me put my arm around her, touch her hair, her hands, I've pretty much touched her entire body besides her ass. She doesn't show any sign of enjoying it or being disgusted by it. She just either grins or does nothing. It's weird. I want to take advantage of it but like you said, I don't want to do anything stupid.

[–]Redpiller77 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Be less stupid. Fuck her already.

[–]DropDeadTyrant 1 point2 points  (7 children)

soft nexting for now. can't put all my efforts in one basket.

[–]Quaternionz 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Sounds like you’re putting zero effort into that basket and walking away for no reason other than shyness and fear of being assertive.

[–]DropDeadTyrant 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I asked her out and she said "I don't know. It'll be cold". So, via the advice at asktrp, I'm soft nexting.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Thats just a mini shit test IMO. "We'll get hot chocolate, see you at 8pm". Her answer to THAT would be the real rejection if it actually was going to be one.

[–]DropDeadTyrant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've decided to stop being passive aggressive and be aggressive with it. The next time she interacts with me, I'm going to tell her we're going out. Otherwise, I'm hard nexting. I can't be bothered to deal with the small talk and shit if I'm not getting a date out of it anymore.

[–]blacklightsleaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought same as this guy. And this is not even a shit test, its just a clue(implying she wants to have sex). Be blunt as this guy or playful, but you need to have a direction. Maybe she just don't want go out, but wants sex? What she will say in this case? Probably "I don't know. It'll be cold". So your next move should be to try get her at your place or at hers. Dates, all the emotional stuff and games its not needed sometimes. Sometimes they just want to fuck, they meet someone who fits their criteria, the guy makes few right moves and the same night they have sex.

[–]Quaternionz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. In that case that makes sense.

[–]Trenned_out 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Good, then we can cuddle up at my place and watch a movie. ;)"

Simple AF brah. She's hanging curve balls across the plate.

Now I could be wrong, but sayign something along the lines of what I suggested would make it more clear because she's either going to eat that up and play along, or clearly show disinterest.

[–]Redpiller77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had one like this. A woman should also chase you. It's not that I don't want to lead, I love it, but It just doesn't feel right.

[–]SerendipitySociety 13 points14 points  (1 child)

A guy worth his salt can tell a girl is into him like a girl worth her salt can tell a guy's having approach anxiety or sweats.

[–]2virusofthemind 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Models of approach outcome.

IOD's equal uninterest: Just move on and save time.

Lack of IODs equals disinterest ("Disinterest" actually means impartial as in a judge is meant to be "disinterested" during a trial) : This means the approach has got your foot in the door and now it's time to utilise "game" to polarise the interaction.

Interested equals: She likes the way you look and behave. All you have to do now is not fuck it up.

[–]menial_optimist 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Now I know why Rollo says don't even bother with a girl if her interest in you is not at least 7 /10.

[–]AwesomeTheKid 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Link to more reading? Or at least a search term?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Rational Male. If you haven't read that then don't come back to the sub until you have (just because it's that good)

[–]hardly_incognito 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This post is good for guys who are new to game and need to be constantly hitting up new girls to get used to interacting with women and getting their dicks wet. Hell I was very black & white drop a bitch in an instant to begin. Glad I was. I'm far less emotionally invested now... But that being said...

For me, I'll message bitches quite a bit. I used to not do text game, and you can always be a guy goin for "fuck ya" girls, but you'll miss out on a lot of pussy. Call it Beta, but fact is, it's the game. Deal with it. I don't mind sending texts to a handful of girls who are lukewarm. If they're consistently responding and chatting you up, you're probably in the game. If not, who cares, I always have a few girls in that "unsure" category, and one bite is enough.

Key is how you SET IT UP. If you start off your interactions with girls as vague, then GG. If you start off your interactions sexually, then you're golden.

There's always a fine line to cross, and yes, if you've been chatting up a girl for several months and she can't fuckin' hang, yea, drop her dipshit. But if you've been chatting her up a week or two and she's playin games, don't fuckin worry about it. Stick to your guns, ask her out a few times, and also be gaming new women.

Abundance comes when you seriously don't give af. Every women I've "missed out on" I've found a counterpart too. Everyone is replaceable, hard-truth. Even you. Even that unicorn that you'll "never meet again", but fact is, you can, and will, probably meet tons of chicks that look & act similar too her.

[–]12345jk12345 18 points19 points  (0 children)

A girl is into you when you fuck her

But also all the way from when she first looks at you to right before you take off her pants.

There is a constant flow of a girl being into you

And sometimes, no, you won't even notice because you are so entranced into her, and other times, she'll give off the tiniest signal and you know she wants to fuck.

Keep going out, talking to women, and you'll fit all the little pieces together

[–]1InscrutablePUA 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Assume attraction. Kino escalate. Close.

PUA advice gets shit on around here, but the fundamentals still ring true.

[–]LuckyMost 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Don't be so sure. Looking in my past I'm pretty confident that there were a lot of girls giving me hints and I did nothing. For example, when I was still a virgin I got on a date with a cutie who was very interested in me, for a longer period. We went to a cinema, hung around at her mothers house (all alone). Nothing, because I thought I was not good enough, or was scared, or something else stupid, don't even remember. Second date, home alone again, we watched "Kinsey" for christ sake, sitting next to each other under a blanket. And I did nothing, just because I was not sure. Or was scared of rejection. Or to insecure.

Guess what - now, when I'm out of my insecurities, I'm catching those signals far more often. All I need to do is to make the first step. A clear, conscious, confident invitation. And it is so rewarding...

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea Im with you. There are times when you can never be too sure and everything isn't black and white.

There are girls that I def choked on in the past. Meaning they were giving me hints and I didn't act on them.

There are other times when girls acted like they were interested, but clearly using me and being a tease.

Perfect example was I met this one girl who seemed interested, but I remember she kept mentioning she was on a budget. One night I told her to come to my place so we could pre game then head out to bars.

After one drink I made a move on her. Made out and tried to get her to undress. She told me she wasn't ready for sex and wanted to go to bars.

I'm thinking to myself, "bitch you just told me you have no money and you're on a budget. So you want me to pay for drinks all night while I get no ass?"

Eventually told her to leave my apartment.

Another girl whom I'm still dealing with is giving me IOIs that she is interested but then pulls back.

For instance she flirts and we did go out on three dates. Two of those dates I did actually make a move by kissing her and she rejected saying she didn't see me that way.

I'm thinking ok cool, whatever. I stopped giving her attention and basically only made small talk with her whenever I saw her in my classes. A month pass and now she's back to flirting with me. Maybe she got interested because she saw my stand up show or whatever but she did recently invite me out to trivia night with her co workers.

It's like I can't tell if she likes the attention I gave her or she's really interested and just shy? Maybe I made my move too quickly on her in the past? Maybe she wanted me to escalated more? Or maybe she just likes fuckin with me. I have no idea.

Then the last girl I seriously dated she started off playing hard to get. Like refusing to kiss me but did flirt with me. Like at first I truly thought she wasn't interested. Only reason I pursued her is because her sister told me she liked me. Otherwise I would have stopped chasing.

[–]ambiatica 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Now for when she does want to see you. "I'm so sorry, tomorrow won't work my schedule is full! I really want to see you though how about another time??!".

I have received that kind of comments from a particular girl. Though I don't feel she's eager to see me. That's what confuses me.

[–]1HastTagLavishLust[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Then her baseline speaking is probably "eager" and her "eager" to you would seem "crazy insane desperate."

It depends on the girl. You have to see their baseline energy and vibes and then you can properly deciper using people skills what her true eager sounds like.

[–]ambiatica 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, probably this girl isn't sure about me. Wants but not wants. I do NOT feel a 'I'm not interested on you', though. But well, I don't like that type of childish indecisions. It is a yes or a no; simple as that.

[–]1warlordchad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t have texted the third time for sure. At the point she says she’s going out instead of doing stuff with you cut off communication. Also, no need to send the text the day after you smash—let her send it. Otherwise if you want to hang out again, wait until that time and then suggest something specific or ask when she’s free. But I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Maybe she’s just fucking a bunch of dudes... just learn from it. I definitely fucked up a bunch before I learned this shit—and I still sometimes do.

[–]Jcorb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

With all due respect... not always true.

It just depends on your frame of mind, how you see things. Myself, for example, sometimes I'll see hope where there is none, but more often than not, I am so full of self-doubt/self-hate, I've let opportunities slip by because I was SO sure I didn't have a chance.

I was overweight throughout high school, but discovered years later that two attractive girls actually had a thing for me, which I had no idea, because I thought they were just out of my league (and I wasn't even hanging out with them).

As someone who still REALLY struggles with insecurities, I feel like it's probably more beneficial to say "it doesn't matter if you think she likes you or not; make a move".

[–]Greek-God-Brody 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thing is, if you only go for the women that are obviously interested in you, you're leaving a lot of opportunities on the table. Most guys don't have many, if any, women of this kind in thier life, so going after the ones that give mixed signal is their only way.

[–]JamesGoody 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. texting girls and thinkin about it is wasted time.
  2. a girl will literally do ANYTHING to fuck you if youre a badass, no matter what she says - and you will know.

solution? become the man in 2. and you never will care about 1.


[–]firegreen_leafred 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes, if a woman is truly interested in you or likes you, she will be constantly texting or messaging you to the point of annoyance. You will know when she likes you. She will be reaching out to you, initiating contact, and hinting at a date or straight up asking to hang out.

[–]FormOfTheChair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is true, but in my experience, only for girls who are far lower SMV, like two or more points.

Ymmv, only two girls have done this, and I'm 28.

[–]LeadVitamin13 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What if she tells you indirectly that she dating someone but hes not her boyfriend and that he's annoying and talks too much/talks about shit she doesn't care about.

[–]1HastTagLavishLust[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

She is hitting you with pre-selection because she assumes what attracts her to men attracts men to her. But she wants you so she is keeping it open for you to make it happen.

[–]LeadVitamin13 3 points4 points  (2 children)

She is hitting you with pre-selection because she assumes what attracts her to men attracts men to her.

So this means that she is showing guys are attracted to her so I should be attracted to her? Even though guys don't give a shit what other guys think about a girl. Eh great, now I need to find the balls to ask her out.

[–]erthian 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Just ask her to hang out. "dates" put you straight into provider territory. Make it casual and show your interested quickly.

[–]LeadVitamin13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're the 2nd person to tell me that, seems like good advice, thanks.

[–]renfsu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I go by this but sometimes I'm relatively quick to stop talking to a woman if I feel like the interest isn't there

[–]1warlordchad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it doesn’t help our cause that most guys get angry when they get rejected. Worst possible reaction.

[–]319Skew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now for when she does want to see you. "I'm so sorry, tomorrow won't work my schedule is full! I really want to see you though how about another time??!".

That's still a rejection in my books. Unless another time is provided then you're just orbiting. I can give someone 2 chances for that nonsense because sometimes people are just that busy or distracted but never a third. If you don't give me an alternative then I'm going to assume that you're not interested.

[–]cakefmateus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the interaction fase you guys are. If you talk to her for some time and she doesn't show any sign of interest GTFO. You need to know in witch situation you find yourself and this is where danger is found since most people get confused with the ioi's.

In all fair your post is right, you'll know if she's into you or not, to be protected from bullshit ALWAYS be in doubt and thread carefully

[–]Richard-Long 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Interested in your cash or your status

[–]textualintercourse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or, "Damn... I have work in the morning, 2 assignments due, I had to work late."

"Ok, I'll be over in 5 minutes."

"You don't care about me at all... Hurry up!"

"Perfect." click

[–]self-medicate 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This. I asked this girl out on a date and she told me that although she finds me very attractive she she has really heavy social anxiety and gets panic attacks when she's touched. I spent a month afterward thinking that since she finds me attractive she'll come around eventually until I found this sub. Now I recognize even though what she said is true it's just BS.

[–]DeathToPinkDolphins 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm confused. There are people like that. I have social anxiety and some days I legit don't want to leave the house. Why didn't you ask to watch at movie at her place or something? Correct me if I'm missing something

[–]self-medicate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We hung out a lot over the summer. She told me that whenever she dates someone it lasts a couple months and then she gets fed up from the lack of ability to touch them and breaks up with them, and then they stop talking. Apparently she's invested in me and doesn't want that to happen to me or something to that effect. I figure if she was really in to me she'd want to give it a shot.

Also after giving me this LJBF speech she never messaged me again which is p strange considering what she said. Even now we don't talk but if I ever msg her asking her to hang out she'll be down. I mean she's a strange person in general with the heavy introvert/social anxiety/textbook geeky girl thing she has going on. Who tf knows lmao.

[–]cornerofficemouth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anti-Dump Machine is a great read for this.

[–]JackNapier368 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sometimes don't even take the effort when she asks for a different day. Only when she suggests the day herself

[–]The_Red_Trooper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post is spot on. If a woman wants to fuck you or be with you then you will know. Sexual Desire cant be negotiated. A women will drop her friends for the night just to sneak into your room to bang you. There is no such thing as playing hard to get.

[–]lala_xyyz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's a watered-down variation of an old advice - don't waste time with women that don't chase you. if she's not chasing you, next the bitch

[–]triggeringsjws247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh but i only realize years later

[–]corqui 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in my experience they wont even want to keep me around. they just throw a short term shitty lie and then just block me from whatever software i am takling to

in my experience women never said me: "i dont want to see you again cuz ur ugly". they tell shitty lies. i kind of understand this bc i really cant be honest with ugly girls neither.

you just dont want to bother explaining shit or instantly make poeple feel bad, inheriting guilt if she he commit suicide or shit like that

[–]Zech4riah -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Misleading binary information.

If you are experienced with women, you should know that it depends in the situation and circumstances how insterested she is and even then she may not express it.

EDIT: If the title was "When she is really interested YOU'LL KNOW.", then the actual post would be accurate.