Red Pill TheoryWomen Are Like Children, With Examples (self.TheRedPill)

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Try to remember that women really are like children, even the smart sophisticated ones. Your interactions with women will go orders of magnitude better if you interact with them like they're children.


Child: He cries and makes it into a big tragedy when he doesn't get the toy he wants.

Woman: She cries and makes it into a big tragedy when her boyfriend can't make it to a family event.


Child: He wants the deluxe version of the new PlayStation, and 3 of the newest games. He's done nothing to earn it, but he's thoroughly disinterested in anything less. He'll take less but be very "meh" about it.

Woman: She wants the ripped 6'1" doctor who makes $250,000/year. Anything less doesn't meet her "high standards." She's done nothing to earn a man like that, but she's thoroughly disinterested in anything less. She'll take a less attractive partner but be very "meh" about him.


Child: He wants to go to the science museum. The parents plan a trip for the weekend. By the time weekend rolls around he's found some new trading card game that his friends are all playing, so now he wants to spend the weekend playing the card game instead. The parents cancel the trip.

Woman: She just met a great guy and they have a date planned for 5 days from now. By the time the date rolls around she's had positive flirtatious experiences with 2 other men, and now her friend needs help moving. She's already forgotten about her date. She makes up some excuse and flakes.


Child: He's never intrinsically satisfied. If you buy him a new toy he'll get bored of it and want another one four days later. If you give him one bite of chocolate he'll cry if he doesn't get more. He'll never be happy with what he has, so you have to impose limits externally.

Woman: She's never happy in her relationship. Her boyfriend is always broken and she's always "working on him." She nags him to pick up some new feminine-centric lifestyle habit like cooking elaborate non-functional meals, excessive cleaning, homemaking, prioritizing family gatherings, deprioritizing his career to have more time for her, or giving up his free time to prioritize being a trophy boyfriend at social events. Every time he gives in and adopts a new feminine-centric lifestyle habit she finds a new one to nag about. He has to impose external limits on her control of the relationship or it never stops.


Would you get frustrated with an 8 year old for having lost interest in a trip that you planned 6 days ago? Of course not, you'd go "Oh, fuck. Well of course he lost interest, he's 8. Whatever, we'll do something else this weekend." Don't get frustrated with her for flaking either. If she says she's sick or busy text her back "no worries," and say literally nothing else. Maybe get back in touch 3-4 weeks later.

Would you vent your emotional baggage or life problems to an 8 year old? Of course not. Don't vent to her either, she's not interested and can't really process what you're saying.

Would you expect an 8 year old to competently lead your family/group through a trip to the zoo? Of course not. You'd say "OK, we'll go here, then here, then here. Then we'll eat. Then we'll go see the pandas. Then we'll go home." Do the same thing on a date. Don't expect her to have any input. If you let her have input her requests will be absurd and unreasonable, just like an 8 year old's would be. She'll want to go to restaurant A instead of B, and she'll say it's because A is closer, even though it's not. She'll walk around town with you not knowing what she wants. She'll waffle between different ideas and be satisfied by none of them. She'll pick one at random and end up not liking it. Know where to go and how to entertain her. Lead the date.

Would you give joint control of your finances to your 8 year old? Of course not. He'll see $30,000 in the bank and think it's OK to plan some crazy $18,000 spending spree to build an RC toy airplane or something. Don't give joint control of your finances to your LTR either. She'll see $30,000 in the bank and think it's OK to spend $18,000 on a wedding, despite wanting to also get pregnant and imminently embark on the bank-breaking endeavour of having 2-3 kids.

Women are children. Your life with go better if you treat them like children and have the same expectations for their behavior as you would for an 8 year old.

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[–]AlexDr0ps 298 points299 points  (11 children)

One time I was at the climbing gym and a little girl about 5 years old came up and started talking to me. Turns out she was with her family just roaming around, either way she was adorable.

She goes on to tell me she has two older brothers. I ask her "aww, do they pick on you a lot?" and she says they tackle her and do normal big brother teasing.

Then she explains that she has learned that if she cries when they are picking on her, mom or dad will come to the rescue and her brothers will be punished.

It was sort of an 'aha' moment for me. Girls are programmed from their youth to play the victim. Obviously the little girl stood no chance to fight back. Her only escape was to let someone with more power handle the situation.

Now, replace mom and dad with the government. And replace the brothers with literally any situation that a girl does not like. Sure, sometimes a woman may feel very unsafe and she needs protection from someone else. But often, she will cry for help anytime she doesn't get her way. It's the way girls are raised and biologically programmed.

[–]binkerfluid 51 points52 points  (6 children)

It was sort of an 'aha' moment for me. Girls are programmed from their youth to play the victim.

This was a common interaction with my ex

1) She says something really snotty and shitty to me out of nowhere because she was kind of a bitch

2) I wouldnt take that shit and I would stand up to her

3) She starts crying, even though what I've said to her isnt enough to warrant that, and pretend Im the bad guy.

This happened over and over again. She could not win many arguments with me because she was mostly in the wrong so she would resort to this tactic when she couldnt argue bullshit anymore. After a little while I started calling her out on it, but it never changed anything.

She would even start doing this "ugh" "gah" shit which you have to think of in your head as "gowd dad jeez!" teenager sounding. I called her out on this too but again it never made a difference.

One of my biggest mistakes with her was being too nice after a while and trying to do what she asked. When I was a bigger jerk to her she was more interested in me. As soon as I tried to be better to her, do what she wanted, ignore the shit she would say she was looking for a way out. Its like she was interested in the challenge or drama and the second it was gone she got bored.

Bear in mind she was a pretty messed up person and Im so glad she is gone.

[–]huehuehurr 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Noticed this with my ex as well. As soon as I stopped giving a shit she acted like a whole different person. Which in turn made me care for her aaand we're back to her being a bitch. I couldn't wrap my head around it, but when I finally dumped her and came here it all clicked. When I didn't give a shit, she had a man. When I cared, she had a feely, feminized "man" and of course she didn't want that. I don't blame her for this now, I realize women don't want that(or anyone, for that matter).
Women want to make you believe that they're attracted to men who display their emotions and "care" but it's all bullshit.

[–]VolatileEnemy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You can blame her for that.

It's bizarre behavior, psychologically abnormal to disrespect someone for showing kindness or emotion or feelings.

There is no way a man and a woman can live together for decades and the man just stays emotionless and calm the whole time or never has a weak point.

Such woman that behave that way are psychologically problematic. (perhaps it's common among women, but it shouldn't be).

[–]Son0fMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of guys need to internalize this. You attract what you put out. Its too easy to become jaded.

[–]bakamoney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol relationships are still even one thing.

Way toooo many women fuck up in public and use tears as a get out of jail free card lmao

[–]jcrpta 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The problem with calling out a woman too often is you're also subtly indicating that her behaviour gets to you.

I've heard an idea lately that I'm looking at trying more: ignore bad behaviour, reward good. The idea being that you don't really want the person associating bad behaviour with any sort of attention.

Interestingly, you follow a similar process when training dogs.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 86 points87 points  (2 children)

Exactly. What a wonderful little anecdote.

Blue Pill guys have too much sympathy for female tears. They think “Gee, I’d have to feel pretty awful to cry like that. This must be really important to her if she’s crying like that.” They assume that she’s an adult displaying a genuine stress reaction to a situation that legitimately needs to be ameliorated.

She’s not. She’s just a little child crying because she didn’t get the candy she wanted. Only you can determine for yourself if the tears are legitimate.

Use your own judgment, like an adult would with a child.

Is she crying because you had to cancel a weekend trip due to work? She’s manipulating you. Keep frame and just let her cry it out. Don’t give in, don’t compromise.

[–]bakamoney 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Most women have fake tears training.

They don't need onions or eye drops or what not.

They can literally have "tears-on-demand".

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 15 points16 points  (0 children)

These BP guys ( 80% of men) don't care about her crying. That's a rationalization to get them to interact with her. Wash away the bullshit and it's simply, "here's my [delusional] chance to 'impress' her". By impress, he means make her want his penis in her vagina. They need that rationalization because they have no inner confidence to be upfront with themselves, 'I want to fuck her, I'm gonna go talk to her to see where I stand'. You should see how many men retreat and feel really uncomfortable talking about girls with anything deeper than 'she's pretty'.

That's what makes these guys 'creepy'. The indirectness of it all. The covert contracts. Motivation not in line with actions. It gets weird.

[–]Modredpillschool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women has hypoagency, men have hyper agency.


[–]omega_dawg93 69 points70 points  (7 children)

this is a good time to tell you guys about a recent observation and a very important lesson i learned by spending time with my girl and her niece, a 6 yr old.

a 6 yr old taught me about GROWN WOMEN: first, the little girl is very sweet and intelligent... her grandmother dropped her off, and we all ate dinner and talked for a while. then, the little girl started playing with a tablet.

when it was time to go to bed, the girl started whining, and grandmaw said, "c'mon now... it's time to go to sleep... it's your bedtime." she whined... she pouted... she wanted to bring the tablet with her. but grandmaw said, "no."

so "good nights" were said and the girl and grandmaw walked to the bedroom; she tucked her in. then, all of a sudden, we all hear screams from the bedroom: "OMG... my knee is killing me... oowwww... it hurts... somebody help me... i need a Dr!!!"

so, grandmaw and my girl looked at each other, walked down the hall, and assisted the little girl who was limping badly... dragging her leg. when asked what she needed... she said, "i just want to lay here next to grandmaw," (who was sitting on the sofa). the tears soaked her shirt... the faces of pain was all we saw. grandmaw and my girl just looked at each other.

then, it seems as though she was going to sleep, and all of a sudden, a little hand extended from the sofa towards the coffee table... and it ended up resting on top of the tablet. my girl and granny winked at each other and coddled her a bit more. then, the tablet ended up under her hand... almost ready to be picked up again before grandmaw said, "it's time to go to the hospital for this knee."

the little girl then said, "it's OK granny... but can i play with the tablet a little longer before going to bed?" granny yelled, "hell no... now go get in the bed!" she stood up, mean look on her face, pouted... stared at me and my girl (i was trying hard not to laugh), and she walked, without a single limp, to the room, turned out the light, and went to sleep.

the point is NOT that women can whine, cry, and create tears and drama when they want their way. THE REAL POINT is that no one taught this little girl to create these theatrics to get her way; it was TOTALLY organic, natural, and very well thought-out. PURE DECEPTION & MANIPULATION. no one taught her how to do all of this.

if a 6 yr old little girl can fake an injury, produce a river of tears on command, try to deceive in multiple ways, etc, what do you think a grown woman can do?

[–]The-Red-Vagabond 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Holy. Shit.

I'm so thankful to have found this subreddit, blue pilled men will never find this out on the their own. That's just crazy man.

[–]omega_dawg93 31 points32 points  (3 children)

but you can't be mad. this is simply how women are built.

they are natural deceivers and manipulators... no teaching is required for them to do these things.

game is natural to them while we have to learn game to see thru it all.

i have another little story about tying her shoes I'll type up later on the pc. lol.

[–]The-Red-Vagabond 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Oh I get you dude, and I'm not mad at the blue pills either because like you said, they have to learn it on their on which our society forbids..

[–]omega_dawg93 11 points12 points  (1 child)

my "don't get mad" comment wasn't directed to you, personally. it was a general comment for anyone reading my statement: you can't get mad at women for (naturally) being who/what they are.

that little girl wasn't taught any of those drama-filled tactics; they came to her naturally to try and manipulate her way into getting her way... from producing the tears to faking the injury.

deception. manipulation. LIES. now, think about push-up bras, spanx, make-up, and "girl's night out." their whole 'game' is to deceive you and lull you into their 'web' with the vagina being their bait.

[–]VolatileEnemy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

As they say it's all the lizard brain from evolution.

Men have instinctual urges of hate, anger, violence, racism, tribalism, protecting the family.

They aren't taught. Despite how people claim they are. Racism is evil, but that evil is genetically hardcoded evil. Even those who have the ethical civilized fortitude to say "I'm not a racist and I treat black men well" will sometimes instinctually lock their doors, or the white lady clutches her purse. It's instinct. It's not taught.

We rise above it through education and understanding others.

And for women, they have these similar instincts, preprogrammed in biology. The evil is in the DNA.

They deceive and manipulate, no one taught them. They create drama that no one taught them.

They found a way to abuse peoples' good intentions, out of pure biological programming. A machine designed for abuse, a woman who deceives and harms her husband for her own greed and glory; a machine designed for abuse, a man who beats weaker men or women who he thinks will submit and give them tribute.

The pleasure someone takes in bullying someone else or group-bullying pleasure that some women take or men take, when they bully others from the safety of a group. Kick him when he's down. Take his wallet too. This is the evil programmed inside, a disgust for the weak or an excitement to take advantage of them.

Why women hate nice guys... disgust for the weak. Why men physically abuse others, disgust for the weak. The evil of the lizard brain.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lizard brain here. I disagree, I don't fear black people nor am I racist. I fear people according to their general appearance and facial features, but not skin color.

[–]_be_happy_ 52 points53 points  (2 children)

"She'll see $30,000 in the bank and think it's OK to spend $18,000 "

When I was 18 my dad started his business. He was doing fine, buying cheap, selling with profit. A lot of the times around 30k$ was hitting his account, where only 500$ was a profit (minus taxes and VAT). Rest he would have to repay in 20days.

My mum just went, took 5k$ out and spent it on her 40yo party, because why not, she has money...
So they had to start getting operating loans, which by name is used for operations, not spending on shit. (you pay some % each month for just having access to this money, you don't repay it each month because you are not supposed to spend it)

Long story short, my parents are broke, and I can see all problems started when my mum took control of the money, before that it was not great but not such a shit hole.

At least it taught me what not to do and I am 1000x more financially better then them :)

Never allow women to make any kind of decisions where adults supervision should be involved! She can make these decisions only if it affects her...

If she is complaining of not wanting to do X or Y, then use the trick which works on kids: from time to time instead of "we are going to X" you can ask "would you rather do X or Y?" She will be so excited that from time to time she makes the decision where in reality it was never her decision :D

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No 40yr old woman deserves $5000 for anything lol. Unless she's your mom and you made it big and wanna treat her. "I bought my mama a crib and a brand new wagon. Now she's hittin the grocery shop lookin' lavish" - Starboy

[–]iTAMEi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She ruined his business for a birthday party?!? Wow I would not be able to control myself if a woman did that to me. Why on earth did she even have access to the business accounts? Did they run the business together or something?

[–]Scorchyy 80 points81 points  (1 child)

There's a reason for this, men need to grow up and become men in order to even meet any girl or loose their virginity, women don't need to do that since relationship or sex comes served in a plate for them so they end up staying children all their lives since they never had any reason to grow up unlike men.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

in this society lol. wait until it crumbles

[–]1Original_Dankster 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Would you get frustrated with an 8 year old for having lost interest in a trip that you planned 6 days ago? Of course not, you'd go "Oh, fuck. Well of course he lost interest, he's 8. Whatever, we'll do something else this weekend."

Lol, fuck that. That kid's going on a trip. Whether he enjoys it or not is up to him.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 21 points22 points  (1 child)

How about not waste your energy, and deny him the second time he asks for one.

[–]1Original_Dankster 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Fair point. Operated on the assumption it was a trip I wanted as well.

[–]tryingtolearnitall 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Wow man, sometimes you just forget this. Going day to day, you can easily become baffled over the trivial and stupid shit people do. More and more people seem like just big kids playing in a world they don't think they have any responsibility to truly participate in. I mean the majority of men today seem like this too. I just feel like this reminder is so important it's crazy. It's like Plato's allegory; most people are in the dark playing with the shadows and never really know what life outside the cave is really like.

[–]mette13 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Ah women. If it werent for our biological imperatives and sexual needs, the whole "find your unicorn" fab with modern men would have died long ago.

[–]O--- 23 points24 points  (1 child)

If it weren't for our biological imperatives this place wouldn't exist; hell we wouldn't even bother with women at all.

[–]cuteshooter 26 points27 points  (2 children)

8? Can we at least up this to 16?

Anyway, consumerism is driven by women. They don't think about all the household cleansers polluting the oceans.

Don't think about how geopolitics and war enables their consumerist lifestyle.

Often don't know about what it's like to do business.

That said, on the other hand, I do appreciate her screaming daddy when she shakes.

Treat her like a teenager. She'll need to earn her priviledges by acting responsibly.

Choose your battles wisely...

[–]binkerfluid 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I kind of agree, this is just anecdotal and based of the woman I spent the last 7 years of my life but she never advanced past being a teenager.

[–]cuteshooter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Only a very small % ever do.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Good post, you gave the examples of child/woman mindset and how to use this knowledge in actionable manner.

[–]geo_gan 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Every single example you gave in main post and comments I have lived through. You could have been talking about my ex. The wanting to blow money we didn’t have on some stupid wedding I didn’t want. The being forced to go to her family home at weekends to sit around doing nothing and wasting my time I could have done other better things with. The forced wastes of money eating out all the time and going to hotels and weekends away. And I don’t even live in America. And she was not in any way an idiot. Just normal. So this shit is common to all western influenced women all over the world. I didn’t see it at the time but she totally acted and was a spoiled entitled child (youngest daughter in family)

[–]binkerfluid 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The being forced to go to her family home at weekends to sit around doing nothing and wasting my time I could have done other better things with.

While I mostly agree, do you not also expect her, and yourself, to also visit your family?

[–]DancesWithPugs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Family visits every month or two is much different than a gathering almost every week. Draw the line somewhere.

[–]binkerfluid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Would you vent your emotional baggage or life problems to an 8 year old? Of course not. Don't vent to her either, she's not interested and can't really process what you're saying.

My ex was like that, any sign of weakness or you actually wanting a companion and she was

A) angry at you for feeling bad

B) ready to leave

fuck her

[–]Bpgiissues 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think you are generally underestimating children in this post. They are more aware than you think although the point that their planning horizon and impulse control is not yet fully developed is fully valid.

The other point that is interesting to see from my daughters is watching them learning the manipulation tactics and skills. They really do use the same pattern however they aren't as practiced and so are less subtle and more obvious. However, they are in fact aware of what they are doing in many cases and I see it as my job as a parent to help them learning how and when to use this behavior appropriately.

[–]salinorum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just think of all the times when girls used tears to try and manipulate me.

[–]AlmightyPhoenix 46 points47 points  (15 children)

I would take this a step further and say, men too are like children, we just have bigger toys and adult games on our playground

A sophisticated alpha male is just an older child roleplaying in the game of life

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 52 points53 points  (9 children)

None of OP’s examples of flakey, drama-filled, feels-based behaviour that are so common in children/teenagers apply to men in a general manner.

Realizing that a LOT of women’s behaviour are child-like and are best tackled in the same way is a massive light-bulb moment for men. Don’t take that away from men by arguing that “bro, men do it too!”.

Only the most despicable beta losers that never grew up from their boyhood perhaps act as much child-like as your average woman.

Show me an average man, or a majority of men, who childly cry, create drama, demand attention, get bored, or flake, as much as your average woman.

[–]omega_dawg93 10 points11 points  (0 children)

10000% agree. men (mostly betas) can be full of bullshit and drama occasionally, but it's NOTHING on the level of what the average woman does DAILY.

[–]1SirKolbath 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Show me an average man, or a majority of men, who childly cry, create drama, demand attention, get bored, or flake, as much as your average woman.

As usual I completely agree with you, but I had to reply to this point by saying, “Shit, dude, I can hit a dozen with a bread roll from where I’m sitting right now.” Modern western society has turned “men” into sniveling caricatures of themselves. These soyboy children are the ones writing blogs about how real men let their wives have boyfriends. Hell, the Reddit boardroom has their own fair share, judging from the fact that this subreddit is still quarantined for zero reason and with zero justification.

[–]shipintbrief 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Those you are describing are not men.

[–]GodOfDinosaurs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is there any data to support this stuff or are all these examples just "feels based" anecdote?

[–]AlmightyPerun 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's a huge difference between "feel based" anecdotes and empirical evidence. Civilization was built on top of empirical evidence, we've only recently (last few centuries) discovered the depths of the empirical knowledge people have been using for thousands of years. You observe, see patterns, test them... and you've got the empirical evidence.

The Greek word "empeiria" basically means "experience". In other words, empirical evidence is evidence obtained from experience. Ancient architects, blacksmiths, builders, masons... everything they ever made came from empirical knowledge passed down the generations.

A feel-based anecdote would be: "Hurr durr all women are evil psychopatic sluts". Not necessarily incorrect, but it's obviously feel-based, and not the right way of looking at things. You can't learn an objective truth from emotions.

[–]silentlyfurious 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Only the most despicable beta losers that never grew up from their boyhood perhaps act as much child-like as your average woman.

Show me an average man, or a majority of men, who childly cry, create drama, demand attention, get bored, or flake, as much as your average woman.

A quote that is thrown round a lot here is that 80% of men are betas. This just proves the post above yours is the truth

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes, if you believe that number, and if you believe that beta men childly cry, create drama, demand attention, get bored, or flake.

Well I don't. Beta doesn't mean a man who acts like a woman. Beta means a man who is a willing provider to women, most likely a low-value one. Hell I most definitely was a low-value willing provider all my life. Doesn't mean I was behaving like a child or a woman.

[–]silentlyfurious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do agree, I think that you are right here. I admit when I found TRP I was a huge beta but I didn't do any of those things that you have said.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

That’s true. We shed the whiny sniveling victim-centric childhood behaviors. We retain and amplify the masculine and potentially productive ones.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A sophisticated alpha male is just an older child roleplaying in the game of life

There's a difference though, and it's a level of independence, honesty and self realisation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The point is, you wouldn't deal with a (self respecting)man the way you would a child to get positive results.

[–]Swan_in_a_Cage 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I only disagree with this because the ancient yoga texts emphatically say the same thing... that women never age past childhood... and rightfully so.. they support children.

Men CAN be children, but have more mental facility to gain control over the senses (austerities, sacrifice, etc) than women, who depend on the self controlled man for stability.

[–]Derzu_Uzala 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And because they are children they need LIMITS.

A limit is of paramount importance to assure the reduction of anxiety and fear in children.

Imagine that you are in a very dark room, wall placements unknown to you. Would you start to run or even walk withpout knowing where the walls are? Limits is a way of telling children, "look, here is the wall, you can run and play whatever you like now because you now know for sure that you would not get hurt stomping your face against an obstacle".

Security and Freedom are almost antithetical. Women tend to strive for security and men, for freedom.

[–]destraht 6 points7 points  (7 children)

The majority of what you wrote is about entitlement issues that never matured away. If this is really bugging you then try country girls in Eastern Europe outside of the EU or Latin America that then moved to a larger city as teenagers. I've met many entitled women in these places as well but I've had far better success full on hooking up and hanging out with ones that did not suffer from this affliction. I suppose that Southeast Asia could be ok for this as well if you now how to look but I don't have much experience there. Stay away from big city and US style suburb girls to start with.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Eastern Europe outside of the EU or Latin America

You clearly haven't met many EE girls. They're the exact fucking same. Even worse because of the way that EE culture treats women.

And my experience with Latina's shows that nothing is different with them beyond them speaking Portugese/Spanish. Same flaky, entitled bullshit as in North America.

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't care about the average girl in the same way that I don't care about buying the average stock, average house, etc. The index is important to a general degree but what is more important as far as my interests go is knowing that I can get a very good deal on a specific thing. Say you are looking at ebay and the items are actually overprised but there is more often then not one item there for a killer deal. Buy it and fuck the rest.

I know how to spot ice princesses in EE to the point that I notice them and move on in a nano second and I've written about them here. That is still superior to me than say what I have around in California where I'm ignoring disgusting fat women in the same way. I'd rather be ignoring extremely pretty women as a backdrop.

The trick is to not put time into capital cities because all capital cities in the world are full to the brim with difficult people, even if its a little pissant country or state. Its something about the hubris of power and what it attracts and how it views itself. I know what to look for in Latin America and EE and I continually have about 80% of my relationships being with down-to-Earth girls very attractive women. One of them cloaked herself pretty good about four years ago but I now know what to look out for and its probably now a lot closer to 100% now.

Wow though really, for all of the downsides of Eastern Europe and Latin America I really can't say that women are one of them. You must really hate those places if you can't see that they have that going for them, because then what else is there really?

[–]SalporinRP 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Latina women are much more traditional than American women. Meaning they'll do all the traditional girl shit like cook you dinner and clean but they'll also expect you to pay for every date.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have been to Brazil. The women were not much different from what you see in North America. They fuck the same, they think the same, the same principles still work on them. And I never paid for them, they paid for me. I made them pay for hotels and they happily obliged.

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've never been to Brazil but they have reputation for being near worst of breed for Latin Americans in this regard. You say that they paid for you, that is cool but it seems unlikely to me that they were country girls. If you went to the larger cities and banged some urban girls then how is that invalidating my point? If I went to Brazil then the reality is that for cheap airfare I would end up flying into a very large city and then my intention would be to stay there just for some days and then to leave to my best hope smaller and more internationally isolated city to find what I'm after. I also wouldn't expect to meet an amazing girl whom impresses me in a period of 1-2 weeks but simply to get laid anyway possible to keep current. Then the higher quality girls would start rolling into my life as I lingered there just living an ordinary life.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

True on many points, yep. Women are still children at heart though, probably in any culture.

[–]destraht 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The best description to me is that they are half-way because they need to interact with children as well as adults [really adults should read as men]. My issue is that it seems you're too acclimated to dealing with snobby and entitled people and that you project it bit farther than it can comfortably go. So if you have a snobby entitled wretched 8 year old then soon enough they are 18 and then 28 and the same forces that were at play to make them that way are still very likely to be a factor unless great personal work has been done. Simply splattering on the wall and then suddenly being ready doesn't count in that regard btw. At some point you have to make an cross cultural comparison to get a good idea of what women are capable of beyond the at some point very obvious problems that plague our societies. I'm simply not going to date a woman who is a child and I just think of it that she is far from a child but that I'm more mature, stronger and capable in most ways aside from a specific hangup or specialty. Denying that is heresy against our genetic code.

[–]Flynn-Lives 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I disagree that prioritizing family constitutes feminine behavior. You write about family like you come from a broken home.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

No broken home.

It’s just that there are a lot of absurd histrionics that go on in BP land when women run things in the family. Some empty nester house wife will put a month of effort into throwing a blow out Christmas. The event won’t really be about Christmas, it’ll be more like validation porn for the house wife.

If the daughter’s boyfriend can’t make it for some reason this will be a code red nuclear disaster. The family might shun him for life for snubbing them and not coming, even if the reason was something understandable like having to take the Christmas shift at work that year. He didn’t make it to the house wife’s validation porn Christmas extravaganza, so now he’s not good people anymore.

In healthy families where the men are in control this kind of shit does not happen. Family time is valued, but it’s not prioritized above breathing and blown out of all proportion.

[–]DavidEagle68 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To add, I had been going to the gym with the LTR for nearly 8 years. She never led any workout. It didn't matter how many times I taught her and trained her 3-4 days out of the week, she was never able to digest working out on her own. Again, would I expect a 5 year old to destroy a lower body workout? Probably not.

[–]PepinoSF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Child: Spoiled child has no gratitude for anything

Woman: Give her a way, or open the door for her, or make her a favor out of courtesy - you will never hear "thank you" (if she doesn't know you). If she knows you, she may say 'thanks", but just to look polite. Instead, she doesn't mean it. What she means is that she is entitled to man's favors.

[–]Derzu_Uzala 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spot on. And you save a LOT of emotional grief towards women. If you put them at your same emotional level, inevitabilly, you would start to expect adult attitudes and deeds towards you. Great mistake.

They are like children, you set limits, they'll feel safer and they'll be forever grateful to you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fourth example essentially summarised my previous relationship, though I was BP'd and gave into her and as a result she lost respect for me and actually started to resent me

[–]jwarner95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you vent your emotional baggage or life problems to an 8 year old? Of course not. Don't vent to her either, she's not interested and can't really process what you're saying.

The whole post was great, but this in particular cleared up so much for me, thank you.

[–]troutmask96 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of the biggest mistakes I made earlier in my e-dating life was when matching with girls in different parts of the city. I'd do a good Red Pill job of closing on our few text exchanges to secure an initial date. But then I'd ask them "I don't really know that part of the city, is there somewhere you enjoy going that would be fun for us?" Big mistake. I was transferring the burden of our initial encounter to the female, and our early relationship would be off to an uncomfortable, Beta start. Now, I simply fire up Yelp and pick out three or four well-rated venues that are in close proximity to each other and say, "Let's meet at Place A, I've had some fun there", even though I've never been there before. I always have a few places lined up to bounce to so that I can lead the date throughout the evening, which provides variety and the element of surprise, which women eat up.

OP strokes it 350 yards off the tee with his zoo analogy. We're not going on dates, we're taking eight year-olds to the zoo...

[–]goodtimes153 6 points7 points  (6 children)

This may be true for a majority of women, but not every single rule applies to all women. I think it's ridiculous to think that every single woman who sees $30,000 in a bank account would blow it mindlessly. I don't think there's any way to train someone out of that, and if you're ever looking for an LTR then you obviously can't be going for someone who can't even handle a mere 30 thousand. Fact is there are plenty of women who can manage finances perfectly fine and who won't pull a lot of this crap, you should aim for them. Then fine tune the small "imperfections" they have with TRP methods.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I tend toward AWALT here, though with some women it can be deceptive. You can have an LTR with a girl for years on end and she’ll seem very financially responsible. Always keeps a weekly/monthly budget in a spreadsheet. Saves effectively. Etc... But then all of a sudden blammo, you have a weird year where she decides to “loan” her broke hippy sister $8,000 to start some retarded vegan cat food company, and breaks down in tears when you try to say no to her $20,000 wedding plans.

A woman’s capacity for financial insanity will actualize at one point or another, over a 40 year time span.

She’ll get pregnant and be sitting at home bored all day, hormones raging. She’ll see some ads for an MLM pushing pyramid schemes with fat loss tea or essential oils. There goes $7,000.

Her family or friends will get her into some bullshit self help cult, and she’ll just haaaaaaaave to spend $3,500 for a week long feel-good platitude-filled bullshit fest. (I’ve seen this happen even to high IQ Ivy League educated science PhD’s. There is no protection against the female propensity to gravitate toward mystical woo woo nonsense).

She’ll make you think that extravagant vacations are just a normal part of life, and that you’re crazy to think otherwise. You’ll blow $4,000 every year flying to France or Turkey or some shit, or going to more local bed and breakfasts all the time. The main purpose of this is just so she can post selfies on social media and enjoy the dopamine flood when she sees 247 responses from other chicks saying “OMG grrrl, that’s aaaaamazing! What a beautiful trip! Love you! 😘” This is another one you have to put your foot down on real hard, since it’s so normalized. She’ll say it’s because she loves nature, and getting out of the house. That’ll all be bullshit. If that was really it she’d be content with a virtually free trip to the beach, or a long hike, or a camp out. But photos of such mundane things won’t make her Instagram or Facebook profiles explode, so she’ll always need that expensive flight overseas to an exotic photogenic country. Tell her you want your upcoming trip to Japan to not include any phone or social media usage “so that you can really enjoy the experience itself.” Or that you want to cancel your fancy trip completely so that you can go camping instead and “really connect with nature (for free).” Good luck. It’s not about the experience, it’s about the social media. It’s an addiction, and it’s expensive.

[–]gaspaonrocks 13 points14 points  (0 children)

She’ll make you think that extravagant vacations are just a normal part of life, and that you’re crazy to think otherwise. You’ll blow $4,000 every year flying to France or Turkey or some shit, or going to more local bed and breakfasts all the time.

Holy f*cking shit, THIS is what I lived towards the end of my relationship. To her if I couldn't afford/plan enough vacations/getaways it made me less of a good partner...

NB: Hello honey, I know you're stalking me here...

[–]Smerdakas 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You’ll blow $4,000 every year flying to France or Turkey or some shit, or going to more local bed and breakfasts all the time. The main purpose of this is just so she can post selfies on social media.

You hit the nail in the fucking head man. Everytime I hear girls saying "I like travelling", I think "so I can feed my narcissism some Instagram likes".

[–]atropoulos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You, sir, are a damn genius.

[–]NeedingAdvice86 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Honestly don't think Op has actually seen many girls as he is stuck in the horrors circulating on the blackpillincel subs about the horridness of females.

Honestly, the vast majority of women that I run into are not running around with a Equifax form taped to their pussy, demanding a bank statement and they are perfectly fine as long as you aren't some vagrant living in the back of a 35 Desota van.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nah. You’ve clearly just never been saturated in an East Coast liberal feminist suburban community before. This shit is real, and it’s very common in some parts of the world.

[–]adrienguan2 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You all are losers. Get on the treadmill.

[–]Terdmuffin 7 points8 points  (28 children)

I'm not saying the points you are making are invalid but these hypothetical scenarios don't really mean anything or add to knowledge, and all could easily be said about a majority of men.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 40 points41 points  (10 children)

Not true.

These scenarios aren’t hypothetical. They’re taken from my own life, the lives of the many couples I’ve know closely over the years, and the lives of many women I’ve known intimately or had close friendships with.

Men tend not to cry when things don’t go their way.

Men tend to keep plans even if they’re not ecstatic about them, because they’re less solipsistic and have a stronger sense of external obligation.

Men can indeed tank their finances trying to make money in the stock market, or by investing heavily in some new hobby business and failing. Nonetheless, nothing men do in this domain compares to the abject solipsistic financial grotesquery of blowing your life savings to throw a one-night party for yourself at a time in your life when you need the money more than ever.

Men tend to have more realistic expectations of what they deserve. You know you’re not a 9. You’re confident, but you don’t have a grossly overinflated sense of self worth. You’re not surprised when you can’t lock down a 9. When that solid HB7 or HB8 comes along you’ll genuinely treasure her forever. You won’t just be waiting around to divorce rape her after the kids are gone and her “usefulness” to you has ended.

Men tend to have more reasonable expectations of their partner’s gender limitations. You’re not surprised if you can’t get your girl to enjoy a video game with you, or head down to the pub for some drinks and pool. If they do these things it’s just a nice little perk. Women, on the other hand, will go ape shit if their betas fail to adopt a feminine homemaking socialite lifestyle with them.

There are always bell curves. Men can do stupid solipsistic childish shit too, but it pales in comparison to common female behavior.

[–]AlmightyPhoenix 6 points7 points  (3 children)

this is a bit off topic here but holy fuckin shit, the use of the word solipsism is so misused on this subreddit it makes the whole place seem severely autistic... i get that solipsism is a branch of philosophy related to self, the solipsistic rabbithole goes quite a bit deeper than the usage here though lmao

"the abject solipsistic financial grotesquery of blowing your life savings to throw a one-night party for yourself at a time in your life when you need the money more than ever"

this is not solipsistic at all, AT ALL, solipsism goes much, much deeper than that, to the extent of literally being convinced youre the only thing that actually exists in this world, that your friends, family, coworkers, etc are nothing more than a figment of your own imagination and any evidence externally is invalid to prove otherwise because you cant prove said evidence wasnt imagined by you

solipsism =/= being narcissistic, selfish, etc... solipsism = there is literally nothing else in existence other than self

EDIT: this has been bugging me since i first discovered this subreddit a couple days ago, the misuse of the word solipsism as if its synonymous with narcissism... no, just no, thats a ridiculous over-simplification of a philosophical rabbithole that philosophers have fallen into for thousands of years now... equally absurd is the misuse of egotism ive seen used here a few times, as if egotism somehow means youre less narcissistic than a solipsist and care more about the external world than you do yourself

solipsism - the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to existegotism - the practice of talking and thinking about oneself excessively because of an undue sense of self-importance

these are the definitions, the philosophical concepts behind them go thousands of pages in-depth but the definitions are a good summary

completely off-topic, idk, i think ill make this a topic tbh

[–]ZephyrBluu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think this mainly comes from Rollo using the word. Although, when you look up the definition this comes up as well:

the quality of being self-centred or selfish.

Which perfectly fits with how most people use it with regards to women.

[–]arseitz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

...Kinda like calling everything autistic?

[–]Terdmuffin 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Men may not cry but they certainly throw fits. Men flake all the time. I think a bigger financial grotesquery is men footing the bill for a party the woman wants but can't afford. If she wants to spend her or her parents money that's one thing, but what does it say of the men who agree to spend their own money so frivolously? Or men who finance things they can't afford over the course of years and financially hamstring the self for decades?

Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If a girl who is a 5 has guys clamoring for her, then her worth has been demonstrated. The logic goes "if many men are attractrd to me then I am attractive". It's not her fault so many men have such low standards. Men don't sit around waiting to divorce rape women because they can't. You think of men could financially pillage women they wouldn't? The reason women do this is because they can and there's no repercussion. It's not childish is actuslly pretty smart, financially.

I'm not sure what kind of feminine he homemaking lifestyle activities women expect men to engage in. In my experience most wives have no interest in having their husband engage in their leisure activities. Sure maybe they're upset if they don't do things like basic chores or clean up after themselves but that's pretty par for the course for anyone who is cohabitating with another human.

Most adults act like children.

[–]666Evo 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Boys throw fits. Boys flake all the time.

Men do neither of these things.

If you know of males who exhibit these behaviours, you know a group of blue pilled boys, not men.

[–]magx01 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you know of males who exhibit these behaviours, you know a group of blue pilled boys, not men.

Goalpost shifting and no true Scotsman fallacy in one. Nice.

[–]ZephyrBluu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you think a grown man is acting like a man if he flakes and throws fits? Doesn't seem very fallacious to me.

[–]LandoChronus 9 points10 points  (9 children)

In the same way that while the vast majority of women do things that a "red pill female" shouldn't do, the fact that a majority of men are whiny little beta billys doesn't mean that this is now the standard.

The whole reason we're here at trp is to learn how to be a man, something we were never taught. The majority of "men" have no idea how to do this.

Don't negate the OP because most men and women act like children: that's not the proper behavior.

[–]Terdmuffin -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

The op offers nothing in the way of suggesting how to properly act in these situations besides "treat them like children" or "lead the date". How Is a man to act when he encounters these situations, especially in regards to LTRs and women you've already decided you want to marry and have begun the steps to make that happen? That's the important info. The post is just soap boxing about how men are better than women and does little to provide real insight or actionable advice.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 21 points22 points  (2 children)

If you don’t see the gold in OPs post then I’m afraid you’re on the wrong sub. OPs post is but a condensed and clear retelling of the most important post in the sidebar: “Women, the most responsible teenager in the house”.

If upon reading this post and OP’s, your reaction is a gut feeling of “how mysoginistic!” rather than “it does match my experience and it does make sense, I should try that”, then you will sadly never experience for yourself the benefits of the greatest paradigm shift that TRP can give you.

You will sadly never experience a girl giggling of pure delight thanks to your merciless teasing her like she is your brat sister.

You will sadly never experience the brazen look of pure lust in her eyes thanks to your stoicly discarding her pouting with a smirk and a light ass-smack.

You will sadly never experience her sigh of pure admiration at her feeling so safe in your strong arms, as a child would with her daddy.

And she will sadly not experience any of these feelings of delight, lust and safety. Instead she’ll have the boredom, the disgust, and the fear resulting from your treating her as an equal adult, with all the responsibility and coldness that this status implies. Oh sure she’ll have the respect. And you can pat yourself on the back for giving her at least that, when she eventually leaves you due to the sad and boring life she had with you.

Getting over your blue-pill, equalist gut judgement to that post and finally understanding how golden, how eminently practical, how wise is the mindset of treating your girl as a child, and applying it even if you don’t really believe it will bring you and her all the happiness in the world.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow, visceral. Yes, exactly all that.

[–]Terdmuffin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with everything op says, I was just pointing out It also applies to most men as well. I'm just not a huge fan of "women r bad men r gud" posts which I see this one as. I never said it was misogynisitic. I led off with "I'm not saying your points are invalid" because I agree with the the core of every point op makes.

You actually reinforced my real point. Ops post is a rehash of sidebar material and doesn't really offer any new insight. I think ops post is too general. It's like how to be better at basketball: make more shots, get more assists, play better defense. Yeah that's great advice but there's no detail or nuance.

[–]ZephyrBluu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Actionable advice: Listen, but don't heed what women say the same way you would do with a child. Expect nothing from them and you won't be disappointed by their solipsistic actions.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

“Treat her like you would treat a child” and “Expect of her no more than you’d expect of a child” is actionable advice. Though I guess I’m assuming you already have experience dealing with children.

I also did give more detailed advice toward the bottom. Respond with “No worries,” and ignore her. Don’t let her have a say in the household finances, etc... Did you not read those bits?

[–]cicerothecowpuncher 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What if she’s the one working?

[–]Quaternionz[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’d be awful. Never get into an LTR where you’re not the financially dominant partner.

Rollo advises that you have the house/apartment solely in your name, for example. And that you should be able to afford to pay for it solo.

I still date girls who make as much money as I do, but the prospect of an LTR with them just feels gross to me. My dating life tends to be more enjoyable when the girl is making way less than me. She can latch on to me and enjoy my comparatively comfortable life with me while we’re spending time tother. I don’t begrudge her for making less than me, like she would begrudge me if it were flipped. It’s just smoother and more stable all around when the man is in the financially dominant position.

If you’re already in an LTR where she’s the breadwinner then that sucks. You should work to reverse that ASAP.

[–]whatnololyea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A person who is completely dependent on others to survive is also essentially a child

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

all could easily be said about a majority of men

Majority of them compromised of 8yo boys.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

True, this post is about grown men. There are grown women too, but far fewer.

[–]FirstLastMan 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Yup. I worked night shift with a bunch of men for a couple of years. The way they gossiped was far worse than I've ever seen from women.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I've worked in primarily female offices (3 out of 4 being female on average) and I find this impossible to believe. The shit I heard women say when they didn't think I could hear them....

[–]whatnololyea 6 points7 points  (0 children)

To be fair, a lot men are not red pilled. A lot of men would rather complain about their misery rather than do something about it, so there's probably some truth to that.

[–]Bad_nuggets69 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I can’t shake the feeling this is a rehash of the side bar.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Yeah. Static content is the best. Why even have a forum where you can post your own take on things and stimulate an interactive discussion that dredges up new ideas and gives people a chance to interact. Let’s just close this all down and re-read the exact same static content from the sidebar every day. Solid.

[–]Bad_nuggets69 -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

Facetious much.

Are you looking for intellectual stimulation or a better life.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Both. Neither. Both AND neither.

[–]Bad_nuggets69 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Continue on with your mental masterbation.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Too busy counting up my +5 karma on this comment exchange, compared to your 0.

[–]maverick9759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ultimate amused mastery mindset

[–]red_philosopher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually make my children follow-through on all of their commitments.

The difference between children and women, is you can't FORCE a woman to follow through on her commitments.

[–]NeedingAdvice86 -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Haven't ever ran into any of these imaginary women that you have developed a hatred toward....to be honest.

Yes, women want some stability but have never ran up on this level of shitstorm where some average betty is strutting around for a bodybuilding doctor with million dollar home.

Where are you running into these gold digging shrews? Or this just some blackpillincel hateporn musings?

[–]Quaternionz[S] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

How old are you? What’s the oldest woman you’ve dated, and what’s the deepest you’ve gotten into an LTR? Are you a natural born Alpha, or have you ever been in a blue pill LTR? Where did you grow up? Was it suburbia in a liberal East Coast state?

Maybe we just come from different cultures. This shit is all pretty standard for highly educated late 20’s HB6’s in liberal feminist suburban East Coast metropolitan areas. It’s pretty much the epicenter for the extreme BP gender dystopia that the manosphere likes to talk about.

These are all examples from first or second hand experiences, with just a tiny bit of hyperbole for color.

[–]MrCongeniality1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Men may not be recognizing these truths because they are interacting with women in environments that are fundamentally male dominated (i.e. there are more men, they have more power and therefore the culture is more influenced by male codes of conduct). If you go into an environment that is female-dominated, or give a woman a sense of security (marriage), you will see all of the OPs behaviors come out. They may have the ability to think reasonably and objectively, but it's not something they do without pressure (reward or punishment). I would really like to believe there are "grown-up" women out there, but having seen this shift multiple times (personally and professionally), I have a great deal of skepticism.

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