Red Pill TheoryThe Death of "Online Game!" The End of social media (self.TheRedPill)

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I recently deleted a Facebook account with over 4000 friends and an Instagram with 10,000 followers and this decision was largely influenced by a post titled False Stimuli.

Since the time I started college to now a large amount of my lays have come from social media. I have a bit of local celebrity and the best way to use it to my advantage I figured would be online game. Snapchat/Instagram/Facebook, you name it and I used it. However the conversion rate to effort rate is not even close to worth the effort. As was said in False Stimuli, something I quickly learned is that social media has two effects. For women is gives endless options and for men it gives the ILLUSION of endless options.

Even the girls that post about what freaks they are in bed, snapchat pictures of their bare butthole, talk about how much they love sex, all of it is a trap. It is a trap for validation. They want to see how many men both of low and high status they can get to validate them and "Slide in their DMs" so they can leave them on read and brag about it to their friends. They literally get off to it and it is a game to them.

I've gotten lays off my online efforts and some pretty solid ones in my opinion but when I look at the effort and the numbers game involved I quickly found it not to be worth it.

Even handsome men, rich men, it's rarely about the status of the man himself but obviously it does it effect your rate on returns. At the end of the day though APPROACH IN PERSON and step away from the keyboard if you find this to be true of your life too.

Girls want to be chased, they want to be wanted. So many of these women have absolutely jack-shit going right in their life other than an endless list of men inside the graveyard that is their inbox and they don't give a damn about any of them. These women will even try to sell nudes of themselves to endless list of betas who think that somehow that will lead to them fucking them down the road.

The internet is a dead end, an illusion and a trap. Yes this includes porn to a limited extent. Use your online time to research, to study, to learn, to grow. Don't waste it on women because that's exactly what it is, a waste.

This is true to the point that we have even turned "Send nudes" into a meme, it's a joke as is most online "game." Online you cannot kino, you cannot look deeply into her eyes, you can't have style, you can't look directly though her and her bullshit, you can't have tonality and most importantly you can't fuck her.

The internet is a validation trap for men as well because they feel like they are actually doing something. Even if you have an inbox full of nudes, from women all around your city, if you aren't fucking them then what is it worth? Absolutely nothing. I would go as far as to say the internet is where masculinity goes to die. As far as game is concerned at least.

So if any of this rings a bell with you, learn from my mistakes, step away from the keyboard, delete facebook/instagram/snapchat and yes even tinder and get into the world and start gaming women in person. Don't fall for the internet and it's lies about sexual availability. Happy hunting's my fellow men and please feel free to leave your own observations and opinions in the comments on this subject.

Choose to live in the dangers of reality and not the safety of the keyboard. Dare to be different from the pack.

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[–]Olongapo 156 points157 points  (13 children)


If I remember, Rollo Tomassi discussed the issue of "buffers". Using the tools on the internet to mitigate rejection. As we all know, OLD, Tinder, etc. can be utilized successfully for a very narrow band of men to obtain NSA sex however........the vast majority of men don't fall into that high SMV category despite the marketing promises and wind up being frustrated. The smart one's leave that realm quickly and adapt using tools developed in the PUA community for face-to-face game. It's way easier to engage, determine interest, and either escalate or move on, when you're face-to-face with a woman.

I hate to sound like a broken record but, good PUA game will get you a close faster then text or OLD game but you have to always be on. You're the one in control at all times even if she turns you down. There's no validation exchanges, no nudes, no texts. There's only you and her and you can always walk away if there's rudeness, over-the-top shit testing, or if she exhibits any number of red flags.

I love the internet BTW. It's good for news feeds, shopping, bill paying, banking, etc. IMHO based on personal experience, it's not so good for me for meeting women. I always do much better in real life because it doesn't scare me and that concept of having an "abundance mentality".

Nice post, BTW. New guys, always read the sidebars.

[–]Fromfame 33 points34 points  (8 children)

I keep seeing OLD everywhere but can’t google it for weeks and it’s driving me crazy, what does OLD stand for?

Edit: if it’s on line dating I’m gonna killmyself

[–]lifeonlockdown 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Probably stands for "online dating"

[–]zylo47 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Acronyms need to be abolished. They literally make society dumber

[–]yahIDGAF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

o rly dont b this way bc they dnt k?

I agree. Fuck that shit. Just type it out unless you're writing an essay on your phone.

[–]Loverofalifetime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes it is /u/Fromfame Online Dating :-D (don't do yourself in and Happy Thanksgiving)

[–]Your_Coke_Dealer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It’s OnLine Dating, probably one of my least favorite acronyms. Don’t kill yourself over that; if someone committed suicide every time society accepted something massively stupid, the human race would be gone by now.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't listen to him! Have some integrity! Follow through on your commitments!!!


[–]Naitra 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Also, quality of women that I got from online game is much lower than my interactions in person. HB8 is the hard limit that I've personally seen, anything above that and you're not even gonna get a glance out of 1000 thirsty men who talk to her. Even then, I only got like 4-5 HB8's with most being HB7 ± 0.5.

Also you got nothing in common with these online thots, from my experience their hobbies are "watching tv" and "make-up". So they're only good for pump-dump.

Overall, lower quality both physically and intellectually, but will do if you only want to get your dick wet

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

discussed the issue of "buffers". Using the tools on the internet to mitigate rejection

That was me. I wrote a thread on this several years ago. Women use buffers to keep betas at arms length and to filter out the chaff from the wheat.

In the real world we see this play out in their choice of venues. A good example of this is the LOUD NOISES of clubs. The loudest clubs have the most and hottest women. Why is that? The noise level is a natural filter for chumps who are intimidated by it. We see this weekend after weekend, women posted up by a loudspeaker flaunting what they've got, but only going home with the rare chad that approaches them.

Chumps/betas who aren't at the peak of attractiveness and/or lack the drive to be dominant and demonstrate through their actions the noise doesn't phase them, who have good PHYSICAL game, those who are lacking go home alone.

[–]redvelvet_oreo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I would like to add that the quality online women is terrible as well. Alot of these HB9s on tinder or whatever OLD you subscribe to are full of issues with nothing going on in their lives and are basic AF. They are only good for fucking and nothing else. Finding a quality woman online is like finding a needle in a haystack.

[–]yahIDGAF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've had decent luck, but it really depends on the app. Also, cyber stalk them if you can because chicks be using those angles!

[–]Luckyluke23 46 points47 points  (19 children)

Even the girls that post about what freaks they are in bed, snapchat pictures of their bare butthole, talk about how much they love sex, all of it is a trap. It is a trap for validation.

how could you not see this though? like 95% of those insta thots are like 0.1% away from becoming a myfreecams model.

i have one on insta right now. i meant her in the club when she was 18 and it's like 4-5 years later she started Instagram like a year ago and already has 10k followers and patrons. all she does is post stupid cosplay pics. half of which aren't even nude or sexy.

while I shit here on my photography insta with 12 followers.

[–]ArcangeloPT 18 points19 points  (10 children)

The best way to win is not to play at all.

[–]Luckyluke23 4 points5 points  (8 children)

kind of hard when you are trying to start a business.

[–]Nicolas0631 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Are you sure instagram is what will drive clients to you ? Most people don't even look at instagram and they surely don't go there when looking to buy something.

For girls this is different, they can sell porn (soft or not) but still for 99.99% of them this isn't worth the time. The top few will make some significant money where 1 hour of work on social media start to make more than the same time spent on a job.

To get some idea, let say you hope to sell the hour of work 50$/hour. If you spend 10 hours a week on social media to get more revenue, 40 hours a month, then the revenue you get from it has to be 2000$/month.

Even many of the girls all around that are not making that. A few percent of them actually do and get even much more. But they also spend all their time on that, and make their life around that. They are the few lucky one. If you compare to your business, it like the top 1% of your trade that maybe are millionaires and can make hundreds bucks for 1 hour of actual work.

[–]RedsideoftheMoon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Getting out of dating for a bit - for some businesses more than others, but in general, Instagram is a VERY powerful tool for establishing a brand and driving sales. Branding ESPECIALLY is established best on Instagram. In my case - as a 'premium' service, the 5k-15k a month in sales that I currently get from Instagram make it way worth it for me to pay someone 1k a month just to run it better than my competitors are running theirs. That being said - people are brands as well, and the best way to cultivate an aesthetic or a brand right now is social media (Instagram in particular)

Just some food for thought - it's up to your judgement whether it's worth it in your individual case

[–]Nicolas0631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, but you pay somebody that is an expert on the subject. I think that's important, as you need to standout arround the millions of other users and billions of daily posting. It is because this guy is better at it than most that it actually works.

I don't say one can't do it himself and can't be efficiant, that would be wrong, but it isn't a given that spending hours on it will be efficiant use of one time.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you sure instagram is what will drive clients to you ? Most people don't even look at instagram and they surely don't go there when looking to buy something.

not sure. Though it makes life easy for me to be able to whip my phone out on a whim and just go here is my work.

I'm not comparing myself to her that would be dumb

[–]ArcangeloPT 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why do you need Instagram for that? Specially at an early stage.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i use it as a place to host my best images.

[–]PMmepicsofyourtits 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Maybe take photos of cosplay girls then. There’s a big market.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have heard about this... maybe I might have to get into the market.

[–]adminsaregayniggers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

like 95% of those insta thots are like 0.1% away from becoming a myfreecams model

it's worse than that, see: tagthesponsor

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)


lol.. someone finally doing gods work.

i don't care if they are bitter incels and hate them. SOMEONE has to be putting these bitches on notice.

[–]Ansec 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You only have 12 followers on your photography insta?

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (4 children)

i sure do. just started it this year. my computer died so i haven't been able to post more stuff


check me out!

[–]yahIDGAF 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not to be a dick, but it's kind of boring bro. Study some other photographers on Instagram. Try to copy their style if you like their stuff. That will help you grow your skills and grow your account. 5 pictures of a windmill from various angles ain't gonna cut it. Learn lightroom and color manipulation.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

of course, it's boring. it'ds A) my first time ever shooting with a camera and b) was on a camping trip with friends. so it's not going to be as " exciting" as someone whos been doing it for awhile.

5 pictures of a windmill from various angles ain't gonna cut it. Learn lightroom and color manipulation.

it does if you haven't seen a windmill in your life. also that is in Lightroom it's good.

[–]lush312 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Don't delete social media because of women and the mental masturbation that ensues lmao. Delete social media because it's a giant waste of time and in my case, because you compare yourself to others and it makes you feel shit. I did it last month. Haven't looked back, feels great. Nowadays, I just use messenger to keep in contact with close friends.

[–]ThePreviousGod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I second this. Haven't been on social media for the last 6 months. One of the best decisions and biggest time saver.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 29 points30 points  (5 children)


I'm finding women becoming increasingly unable to handle approaches in a composed manner, especially the younger ones.

You approach them and they get all shy, blushy and start twirling their hair.

Not because you're a drop dead hunk but because it's so novel. It's just like some of us who don't have practice approaching, many of them nowadays don't have any practice being approached. In world of femcentric pussies and online shields to hide behind, daytime cold approaches is a dying art.

The plus side is it's an automatic leg up, seperating you from most, practice and get good at it and it's more effective than it's ever been.

[–]2virusofthemind 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Very true. A daytime cold approach is "true" validation to a woman and the fact you have selected her and acted on your intentions displays high confidence in yourself, as well as a presupposition that you're not concerned by rejection as you tacitly assume that your SMV is above hers.

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[–]Ansec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. Tinder game you know she's interested. In terms of sales she's like the customer that's interested in knowing more about the product.

[–]zyqkvx 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Tonality, kino, and not being able to see through her bullshit are HUGE. Online you have wit and self-pics, the rest is striped. It's like fighting someone with your arms tied behind your back, and missing a shoe.

mindfart: The best online game could be calucated by enumerating what tools can (wit, pics, response time) be used via internet and which can't (kino, tone) and focusing on how to use the online tools to PROJECT in person tools (kino, tone). The influence of projecting has a an inherently low ceiling, yet may be the trick to get them to show up and have the right mindset when they do.

That all said, I'm more of the day/night game type where I talk to anyone old women/men, young women/men and sexualize and subtext when I happen to be talking to a hottie.

[–]iPattyR6 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Probably could’ve sold your Instagram instead of just deleting it

[–]Nonstopas 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He probably deactivated it rather than deleting it, it's pretty much the same, yet if you have an offer you can come back sell it without people knowing.

[–]swampbastard69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

how do you sell it? the person just creates a new account under your name and retains the followers?

[–]iPattyR6 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, you give them the login info and from there they can change the username and the name on the account

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Great post. I agree completely.

Aside from reddit, the only social media I have left is a currently deactivated facebook profile. The only thing stopping me from deleting it permanently is I’m in college, and I’m worried that my potential employers will find me suspicious if I have no presence at all. These days, the NPCs are savvy enough to know that staying off social media is a political statement.

[–]ArcangeloPT 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I’m in the same situation since all of my college groups are on fb. If it weren’t for that it would be long gone. Try resorting to LinkedIn only for professional purposes.

[–]BurnieSlander 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Thank you for this post, you are spot on. Game is all about creating an interesting story. When that story begins with social media, it becomes much less interesting.

[–]superyute 0 points1 point  (4 children)

no, this doesn't make sense, as social media can just as well be a reflection of your "interesting story" irl

[–]BurnieSlander 0 points1 point  (3 children)

you missed the point. when people ask you how you met, and you have to say “on tinder”, that is far less interesting than meeting someone in real life

[–]superyute 2 points3 points  (2 children)

i didnt know i was supposed to give a fuck about impressing people with my methods of meeting new people

[–]BurnieSlander 1 point2 points  (1 child)

ok bro if you can’t wrap your head around the concept that meeting chicks on tinder is fucking weak shit compared to real life approaches then maybe TRP isn’t for you

[–]Fassbenderr 11 points12 points  (2 children)

While i agree that taking a step back from social media is really important in self development, I really don’t think sex should be the end goal.

The end goal should be success, self development, the process of getting closer to the ideal self. In this process you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Sex is just sex. Enlightenment is everything.

[–]SpiritStatic 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I agree completely with you, and technically, TRP is about optimizing oneself as a male in a culture that continually tries to snuff out our attempts. But too often it seems like that just comes back to sex, which (while fun), isn't really that high of an aim to shoot for.

Seeking to know oneself better and live a fuller life seems like a more worthwhile pursuit — sex can definitely be a byproduct of that, but to always have it in the superposition doesn't serve any greater goal than just fleeting pleasure.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TRP is about optimizing oneself as a male in a culture that continually tries to snuff out our attempts.

Rejection and shaming men is simply one giant shit-test to get us to bend over and accept gender-based socialism (free money for women, high taxes for men. )

They call it feminism.

[–]VisiblePlan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I agree, have had very little luck with online game, although that might be simply my own fault, as I don't see it as particularly beneficial.

[–]SpiritStatic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There’s tons of ways that you can *improve * your online game, but the main issue is that the bay is full of boats with their anchors dropped and their fishing lines out.

There ARE plenty of fish in the sea, but you wouldn’t want to catch and cook each one of them.

Beyond that, the fish that are worthwhile only want the most premium bait, and even the low quality fish have ample hooks dangling in front of them.

It’s tough to get the impression of how saturated it really is, because everything comes through 1 by 1 (if you’re using a swiping app).

So there are fishing gurus who will teach you where to park your boat and how to create the most appealing bait, and it certainly will improve your chance of success.

But gone are the days where there were only 50% of the boats there were now and ample fish to catch for everyone.

I did Tinder/Bumble/OKStupid between 2013 and 2017, and it got worse and worse each year. Lots of “success stories” but mainly the utterly crazy.

I left swiping apps for good back in January this year, and the only real regret I have is that I don’t have a steady pipeline of absurd experiences to laugh about with friends.

[–]AnakinRebornRage 13 points14 points  (3 children)

As someone with a bit of internet fame myself I can completely relate to this post. At one point I had girls snapchatting me nudes daily and yet when it came time to get down to business so many of them would suddenly ghost. I acknowledged that part of the problem was that I was validating these women beforehand and therefore giving them everything they wanted up front. Once they have your approval then there is nothing left for them but to move on to the next victim. Now I am straight to the point upfront. Don't bother sending me messages or pictures if you're not willing to follow through. The keyword here is illusion, the illusion that these women stand for what they say they do. It's up to the man to be more smart than her games,

[–]geo_gan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I presume you only had to reply once with “omg you’re fucking gorgeous” once and that’s it. You’ve given them all they wanted to hear. And a written proof/evidence of the fact that this perceived alpha approves her to show all her friends in future.

[–]Atheist_Utopia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know the problem yourself lol, it's the validation you gave them, not social media that screwed up your efforts. How do you negotiate without leverage?

[–]new__vision 29 points30 points  (23 children)

Ever meet a woman via cold approach, she's attracted to you, you make future plans, swap contact info, and then she never responds? Instead of giving her your number, try giving her your Instagram profile that shows you in high-status situations surrounded by attractive women (preselection + social proof). For a good example look up "michaelsartain" on Instagram.

This is the point of Instagram in game, not to "slide in the DMs", but to use in place of a phone number with cold approach. Your cold approach results will improve massively if your profile conveys that attractive women enjoy your company.

[–]Don_Himself 32 points33 points  (17 children)

think again, this should work in theory, but in reality as soon as she sees youre a womanizer with photos of beautiful women you trigger her 1) anti-slut defenses and 2) her insecurities

this then makes you have to jump through hoops/tests to lower the shields, and youll have to communicate that youre totally not gonna pump n dump like u prob do to every other girl

always keep it simple; eradicate all social media which makes you mysterious & unique anyway, and use her cell number ONLY to call and set things up for hanging out.

[–]ImmersedTrp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally my experience in south east asia, but than again, maybe usa is different culturally 🤷‍♂️

I removed any trace of other girls from my instagram.

[–]idrinkyour_milkshake 6 points7 points  (9 children)

No, when she sees photos of you with other women it gives you social proof. The fact that other women want you makes you more attractive.

[–]Don_Himself 18 points19 points  (7 children)

social media photos are terrible social """proof""" compared to real life social proof. photos can be altered first of all. second, nothing beats out you showing her you know everyone in the venue, including hot girls and other guys that work in the premise or nearby etc.

thats Real Social Proof.

it's not like you're having photos taken of you where women are on their knees begging you to suck your dick. everyone has dozens of selfies with cute girls, even sexless chumps. we live in a selfie-crazed, conceited culture - this is the new norm. women are desynthesized by everything that pops up on their retarded smartphone screen. if you think youre gonna get her tingling for you because of a few selfies or pics of you partying, you're dead wrong. this aint 2012 anymore.

social media game is dead for conquering prime nubile women, approaching them and taking what you want has always reigned supreme and will always reign supreme.

[–]new__vision 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Agreed that social proof in real life like knowing everyone in the venue trumps social media.

[–]Don_Himself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

she can even see for herself that you know everyone in the venue on your profile, and it will still never come close to actually seeing/experiencing in real life.

[–]idrinkyour_milkshake 2 points3 points  (3 children)

First you said when she sees photos of you with women it'll trigger things, then you said women are completely desensitized to anything on their feed, so which is it? I never claimed social proof on social media is better than social proof in real life, I only said it isn't true that seeing photos of you with women is ultimately bad. It's ultimately good, even if not as good as social proof at an event.

[–]Don_Himself 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The context this entire time is seduction and arousal.

First you said when she sees photos of you with women it'll trigger things,

yea, her antislut defenses, which only hurts your chances of advancing/getting laid

then you said women are completely desensitized to anything on their feed

i clearly stated in terms of getting aroused

essentially, you trying hard on social media to show off how much women you hang/fuck with, instead of demonstrating this IRL (like you should always be doing), will only make the lay harder because she is """TOTALLY a special snowflake who would never fall for the same shit every other girl u fuck falls for"""""

you're literally better off telling her youre a shy BETA nerd who is scared of girls (while remaining aloof & confident and escalating and creating sexual tension, obviously) than giving her your social media and ruining your own mysterious mystique by becoming like the rest of the idiots that appear on her feed (no you wont be unique no matter how "hot" you think you are)

[–]-uftw- 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I literally had a chick not add me on social media after she saw my friends list, as she "didn't want to be another number" lol

[–]Don_Himself 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol it gets to a point where shit is going so good in your life that you have to dumb yourself way the fuck down for girls to feel youre attainable

[–]Ansec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like the scene in good fellas when they go the back way in the club.

[–]cafeitalia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn't work that way. Women prefer not to see it with their own eyes, but rather see it in their minds.

[–]new__vision 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I think it depends on the situation. That may happen with a low-self esteem girl, or a more introverted or traditional girl, but a professional model may react positively.

I think your photos can convey preselection and social proof without being try-hard or conveying "womanizer".

[–]Don_Himself 3 points4 points  (1 child)

all women have low self esteem. this is why social media is the massively successful, vapid void it is.

models are around tryhard blow hards that are rich and looking to fuck almost 24/7. and even these men dont have private social media. because they understood from day 1 that private social media is soul-destroying tool for the lowly folk.

im telling you all, social media game is easy and very simple to fake and women know this. this is why it moves their needle very little. theyre completely desynthesized. your """kickass""" fb/ig/tinder is by law of nature a display of low value now.

the only exception is IF you generate an extreme emotion with your profile. i.e. Trump-gaming, asshole gaming, trolling, or you post outstandingly funny shit that people care about. example: search vh1pnut on twitter to understand how to properly do social media in 2018. total disregard for the female species in a funny way that doesnt come off as bitter. nop need to show how cool or how much you party or how many women you takes pics with.

control her emotions and you'll control her soul.

[–]Nicolas0631 1 point2 points  (0 children)

im telling you all, social media game is easy and very simple to fake and women know this. this is why it moves their needle very little. theyre completely desynthesized. your """kickass""" fb/ig/tinder is by law of nature a display of low value now.

Exactly ! Why you'd ask ? But because they actually do it all the time. Women do cheat on social media because it is important to them. So they know.

[–]swampbastard69 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

"womanizer" what the fuck are you talking about? Girls love guys that are out with other girls. You dont have to lower shields - women would rather share a high status guy than lock down a low status one.

[–]Don_Himself 5 points6 points  (1 child)

again you're just imagining what should occur when she sees youre an iNtErNeT CeLeBrItY. in reality, as many have reported, and as you will see if you had legit """clout""", you start to get bombarded by nuclear shittests and must plow through extra walls to get to her vaginal walls.

social media fame is feminine and low value, real life fame is masculine and high value.

all these things you could easily avoid, and shave hours off the seduction process, if you appear to look down on social media. in fact my favorite line to use when girls ask me if i have social media is "No Im an Adult."

the only thing youll accomplish with social media fame is women using you to boost their brand.

you can go right now and create 2 tinders - one of you that features nothing but you trolling (featuring shit that spikes her emotions), and another with tinder with pictures of you with cute women, and you will get more matches and engagement on your trolling profile by far. i've tried this and can confirm, but anyone doubting what i say is free to try this and see.

[–]Nicolas0631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It echo to me as I remember discussion with my ex and she was explaining that for her ideally a man is invible on social media. Just the bare minimum.

[–]J-baller 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Instagram works well if you're living a "high status life". Telling the guy who isn't rich to showcase that on social media is a bad idea. For men who don't drive luxury cars, who don't have many followers, who don't have lucrative jobs, who don't frequent expensive venues, who don't provide women with resources - social media does more harm than good

[–]Nicolas0631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But then if you do all of that, you don't have to display it. See the point ? It is all about people that don't have it trying to fake it. Or a few that fake it that milk the followers that dream of it.

If you actually are an alpha male, beautifull, rich gettings all the great things out there, you don't need to spend dozens hours on social media to try to get an untinterresting girl hooked to you.

You already have much more interresting womens hooked to you.

[–]EL_Miore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me, all displays of social media demonstrating a "high status life" is inherently low value, unless used to leverage business endeavors. If used to engage with Women, then it is most definitely low value because social media is a choice. If one chooses to let people know how "lavish" they live with remnants of shallow materialisms, then this in indicative of a peer impressionist mindset, and is a clear fish for validation.

[–]RivenHalf[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I may attempt this if I choose to make a new one and start over. I have a mate who uses this as his main form of game but he's also a bonifield world traveler so it works really well for him as women add him and see him visiting all these great places and I have seen it in action through him. If you live a life such as that and can convey it through your social media then yes it is highly effective, agreed.

[–]new__vision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also agree with your main post because instagram would only help your game if you're already good at game. It shouldn't be a crutch and definitely isn't required. In person approach is king.

[–]trele_morele 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I have instagram because I like to photograph when I travel. I have very few followers. I do not care. I have not used and will not use it as tool to pick up women. I know some women peep me on there from time to time but I do not care. If you're a photographer and you like to share, Instagram is the place to be, do your thing and don't pay attention to "hoes"

[–]geo_gan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Actually Instagram is a terrible platform for photographers. The way it is just one long single stream is useless if you have thousands of photos. Other platforms are better because you have separate galleries for different events. On Instagram people will only ever see your last few pictures at top of stream. They will never be able to scroll through hundreds of them to get to older ones.

[–]mgcameltow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Click on the profile icon to see all of a users posts on one page.

[–]geo_gan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is still useless. I have thousands of photos in at least 20 galleries on another site. I don’t want them all loaded at one go in one page. The browser/app would not be able to load them all either. Instagram needs a separate galleries grouping system.

[–]LokiWantsToPlay 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agree with the premise, but the biggest compliment i can give is, well done for being able to write a post properly. Been a while since i've seen decent, well laid out posts

[–]chadthundercork 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great write up from someone with a valuable and unique perspective

[–]BurnoutRS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy fuck... Thank you!

You just blew the door wide open on something I've been trying to figure out for a long time now. I was wondering "why the fuck do guys buy nudes?" porn is free, if all they want to do is masturbate...

Theres something more though, its this strange form of male to female interaction. Its very transactional which is part of the beta mode. He thinks "oh im negotiating with her, buying her nudes, doing her a favour ,she appreciates my money and appreciates that I appreciate her body" ... "yeah im totally gonna hit that"

There was a point when I was a bit more of a homebody (brain injury, recovering from car accident) and I took notice of the nude selling phenomena. Started harassing some of the people selling nudes on kik, got one to admit to me he was some dude in bangledesh and he started giving me a bit of info on how to set up and sell nudes.

Only thing that turned me away was the potential to violent child sex laws if the person you sell pornography to on the otherend happens to be a minor. Im not tech savvy enough to bother

[–]LowSpecTea 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This was a mentality I adopted ages ago but Ironically from the opposite perspective.

I had 50 or so followers. 140 was my maximum on any personal account although I've had over 1200 on a personal blog. That was a intellectual endeavor more than anything else.

But the personal accounts were kept separate. A vast majority of the 140 were women and seeing their posts just made me wonder, why am I adding temptation that just leads nowhere ?

I got rid of it.

The only one I kept was snapchat for close friends and it's generally much harder to find a person on snapchat unless you have a contact/username.

Life is way better.

I always wondered what life is like when you sacrifice a higher following and if there is any genuine shots I might have been missing. A real what if? line of thinking.

I'm glad to read that even with 10K follows, there isn't anything more than illusion.

I feel a little more at peace with the fact I made a good call.

Thanks for posting dude and if anybody else has more stories of giving up their high followings-feel free to leave a comment.

[–]MilkMoney111 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I never had a huge following but I used it for bodybuilding. It was my way of tracking progress and getting that external validation of being able to post shirtless pics for the sake of posting shirtless pics. I had a lot of bodybuilder friends on it but since backing off from that lifestyle to focus on career goals I got rid of it.

I was hesitant because there were a few girls I had managed to "attract" on IG. But out of all my time on there, absolutely jack shit came of it. They were all just a bunch of maybes. A bunch of what-ifs. The only girls I slept with that were following me were all ones I had met in person and established some type of relationship before we followed each other of IG.

I got rid of everything because like you, it was just one huge cock tease. I'm tired of wasting my time and energy on what could be and just want to focus on what is right now. In person, I like to make my intentions known early and avoid a long drawn out chase. It's so much easier with that mindset for me.

It boils down to: The woman gets my most valuable assets (time/attention) and exactly what do I get out of it? If it's not pussy, I'm moving on with my time.

[–]LowSpecTea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right on, thanks for sharing.

[–]Pooptrition 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I use Facebook, I don't post anything to try to present myself any kind of way to anyone. I put an album out every 2 years. I post stuff that I am going to want to be able to look at later. I am glad I have my old albums from 10 years ago - they would otherwise be lost by now.

I dont check my feed. I don't like people's shit. I use messenger to communicate with people. Some from countries I've visited. Sometimes I trade FBs with someone instead of a number, which can be better; numbers change, facebooks don't.

I prefer to text and call a girl but messenger does the same thing.

Most importantly, I use Facebook events. I get invites to excellent shows and parties, spaces so much better, with more awesome people, than the city bars and clubs. I also see what shows my friends are hitting. If I deleted my FB, I would have to rely on people texting me about everything I might be interested in, and thats not going to happen.

I've used Facebook excessively and it is unhealthy. But now I have my balance, and its a great tool and life enhancer. I spend 15 or so minutes on it once a day. No way am I deleting it - maybe not look at it or post for a while, but not delete it.

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Get over the addiction, then use it in a positive way like we did in the start. It can be a great connector.

P.S. i do not fuck with instagram, snapchat, twitter, or whatever newfangled shit you kids are using these days

[–]Zech4riah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are doing something wrong if you must put effort in getting laid via social media as a local celebrity.

[–]swampbastard69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I partially disagree. I am older (30's), so when I started it was all face to face game - although we did have aol instant messenger and I would fall back on that when I was being a bitch boy at home, so I know your pain. Face to face was and always will be my primary. However, think Instagram is incredible as an auxiliary tool to create dread game with plates/potential plates. You need multiple pipelines in sales. About a year ago I actually started using Insta for game, as I noticed younger girls would give it out and only respond over insta, not text. So if I was out with hot girls, I would always post it to my story - showing us having fun, even if I didnt even know who they were, or they were a friend's wife, whatever, and the effect was staggering. Girls that I had approached and number/insta closed and were cold or lukewarm on me would heat up and hit me up.

Furthermore, online dating apps can be bullshit but I feel it depends on the app/city you are in. In my hometown most dating apps are shit, but I travel to LA often and Hinge right now is on fire in LA, I get 50 matches before I get off the plane and girls are responding and actually meeting up, not just using it for validation. Tinder in my hometown is garbage, but its great in Tokyo/Kiev etc.

I understand if you started game in the online world and are addicted, you may need to delete it, but if you use it moderately I think its an incredible tool.

[–]helterskelter1988 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but I travel to LA often and Hinge right now is on fire in LA, I get 50 matches before I get off the plane and girls are responding and actually meeting up, not just using it for validation

That’s probably one of the only valid uses of a swipe app - it’s a situation where there’s no guilt or history because you’ll be gone soon so it’s take it or leave it for them.

[–]phibetared 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Late to respond here. I'm long past college and don't even have a mobile phone (or whatever a smartphone/iPhone is called these days). So I don't do Instagram, etc. They seem like HUGE wastes of time to me.

BUT I can have great success using the internet to get a girl any time I want. It just takes some creativity. Remember women WANT to have sex - so you give them an excuse to be in a safe but sexy situation. There are many versions of what I'm talking about, I leave it to you to come up with what works for you.

And it does not take much time at all. However, some things that USED to work don't work well any more (as the internet changes), but there are always new ideas that work.

[–]LightSkinKen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t have social media , never have. I’m 29. we were outside majority of the time growing up. Living in the city. I had a Nextel direct connect 165-16758-29.lol. Had the green screen with snake before that. Then when the transition came to heavy smartphones and apps, I was to busy enjoying outside. Point is, life isn’t really life anymore for some people. Don’t fall into the BS , be human be focused.

[–]haroldpeters 3 points4 points  (2 children)

yall are doing it wrong. Its not a cure its a supplement, and can bag you lots of tang if you know the right way to go about it. Here's the keys :

  1. don't engage in political bullshit
  2. posts are of you killing it at what you do best, that's it. Keep it to a minimum, perhaps 1 per week. This also works better with facebooks algo's so that more people see the post. (frequent posters get lower scores). Do not post useless posts, memes or anything that shows weakness or vulnerability, anger or frustration.
  3. disable people from tagging u in photos (this allows you to vet your exposure)
  4. Never chase. Let them message you. Only caveat is if you added them while out, and your sorting out logistics for when to "get to know one another/fuck". When they message you, get straight to the point of sorting out a date to meet up.

  5. If anyone slags on you or cock blocks online, delete/block them.

DO NOT CHASE.. it will not work, simply use it as a profile/message app.

Keep to those 5 rules, and use it what it was meant for.. closing the deal.

Also bonus : girls you banged a while back will message you from time to time, as you pop up in their feed and they get tingles thinking about how well you pounded them.

[–]Zech4riah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't use Instagram because I'm a pickup purist who believes only in cold approach pickup but if I'd start using Instagram as an auxiliary tool - I think these would be great guidelines to inflict passive dread without giving out too much.

[–]zealanderx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy gets it...

Everyone acting like facebook = copious amounts of wasted time? Not for everyone.

[–]samraat65 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How does this apply to high school? I feel social media is very instrumental in attracting women so much that not having any of it would make it impossible to get with girls.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Instead of being just another tit trying to fit the mold, be the guy without it, set yourself apart. It's a realm where you can't really compete in anyway.

If you're not displaying a great lifestyle/looks wise(compared to your peers) you're only giving her a better metric to rank and potentially drop you down the ladder.

Let them wonder who you are when you meet them, mystery is your ally.

[–]rob13_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In highschool right now, have a girlfriend. I happy Snapchat but only use it as a messaging app. It's definitely possible.

[–]MasRock310 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Highschool is the least of places you need social media to get girls. I was in hs 8 years ago and social media was just as prevelant. The time that I didn't have internet/social media I slayed so much, as soon as I got my internet back a year later, I returned back to my old middle school porn watching, video gaming addict self.

[–]holeshot1982 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So when you get the photos how do you go from NOT validating them to pushing to further?

[–]MafiaCode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is truth. A girl was showing off to me how many follow requests she has, she is litteraly collecting them.

Personaly I use social media as social proof and to convey who I am. I don't really spend much time on it and don't text much I would rather call to set up a date. But I get you a few years ago I deleted my social media with a bunch of friends, followers etc. Now I use it as a tool for bussines and so that I don't have to talk to my plates to keep them engaged and to give them an exuce to message me or ask me out. In the end every platform is a double edged sword, but if you spend more then 2 hours on the web daily you should get a life and work on your goals more

[–]Sake99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you give me link to the article , false stimuli?

[–]Kn1ght0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I created Instagram yesterday in a attempt to try a new way of getting women into my life. I'm questioning that decision now.

What was your plan with IG? Were you Just posting high value pics or?

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Facebook is a time bandit as well. Leaving that saved me so much time and mental sanity I can’t even put into words how useful that move was.

[–]Loverofalifetime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I take what you say OP with a grain of salt but yeah, its gotten ridiculous. Even on Meetme.com there is some weird vibe going on with the girls there like they are "All of that" and trying trap men just to pay for stuff (i.e. "I need money, ride, etc." pleas and crap like that)

[–]iamanalterror_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like approaching in person disarms them.

[–]PepinoSF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Online dating was great until the early 2000-s, when quality women compete to find good lay for the evening. I love the good old IRC days. Eventually internet dating turned to validation crap show. You still can find a good match, but as the OP said the cost is enormous efforts.

[–]Nicolas0631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Social media are useful to be aware of your friend parties and activities, to go out, to organise. It can also help to stay in touch. That's about the possitive part for 99.9% of the population, including girls.

The other part you tried to leverage is advertisement. Advertising yourself or your brand. First of if you don't pay for that, be aware that as as soon as you start to have many followers, only about 15% of your audience will be notified, the software will not notifies most of your followers if you don't pay for it. At least for facebook. Even then your followers receive hundred of notifications a day with professional ads mixed in. You message is simply lost in the middle.

Finally, don't forget that social media goal is to get more traffic and activities for them, when you add more content, you help them more than you. And you are captive. They can change the price, the rules, they can ban you. That last one is pretty common and happened to many. I can't count the people that made some nice videos on youtube, got banned, the video are still played and still make money for google, but they don't get anything out of it anymore.

Just look at reddit where the TRP is, it is quarantained. It would have never have had happened if TRP just paid a few euros for its own domain and forum website. In marketing they explain you use social media to draw people to you, to your own content, website, area that you control, where you do not pay to reach your audience, were your are the only that is put in evidence there. That why some of the men that participate there regurlary put link to their own website. They make a few post on the social media, well throught and crafter to attract people, make a reputation and then try to make sure that we go to their own domain where they are in control.

You got many followers and friends on social network. Nice for you, but what were you selling ? Concerts ? Your company services maybe as a photographer ? If you were selling yourself, what were you really selling ? Porn ? It never really worked that well for men, but where is your own website/domain with the store ? I am not sure getting laid work that well. If it really that, try tinder if you are top 10% alpha male. Otherwise it is a lost cause. And you don't even it that big investment then. A few photos and you are good.

[–]simbafromthe6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, The woman im still messing with on occasion, are the women I Have met in person.

[–]FinancierGuru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm starting to think (even) Twitter was made for women. Why would men with their heads on their shoulders post for reasons of outrage and shaming? No need. They're frying your brain with little shots of dopamine.

What is said here is true for all social media. (SM is NOT the whole Internet, however). People like Zuckerberg, Dorsey and others figured that men are needy, so, hey, let's scrape a few billions off the masses. The reason they got you is because they made it free to you on every phone in the world. There would not be billions on social media if it wasn't free. If Facebook was charging as little as $5/month, they'd be having 2 million users as opposed to 2+ billion.

Dating apps are a scam, no surprises there. Exacerbated thirst.

Let us remember, the original "social media" was blogging and forums.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Per paragraph 6,

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Man's desire is for the woman. Woman's desire is for the desire of the man.

[–]cuteshooter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it was working, I could place personal ads for exactly the type and scenario I was looking for. Worded in such as a way as to not be obvious to the target what I was looking for. Subtle.

This worked for about a decade.

But it's over, done, dead.

Was great while it lasted...goodbye internet gaming.

[–]Fulltilt_Ronny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what if you use all of those media WITHOUT ever writing These thots? WITHOUT ever liking their stuff? Following them? paying them for anything? i dont see a Problem with These media as Long as you dont behave like a tool.

[–]zealanderx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I mean I agree with most everything you've said OP...

And admittedly I didn't read every word of this essay-

But in my opinion Facebook is just a tool. Just don't spend too much time on it. 10 minutes every few days. It's standard for people to have it just to be able to easily keep in contact with people. Trying to pick up girls on facebook? That's weird.

Facebook is for being able to easily keep up with and contact acquintances that you don't see every day. I took a 9 month hiatus from facebook recently and it was really... really hard to reactivate it. Because I didn't care.

But I reactivated it for a reason. I just got invited to a few less parties/events that were Facebook invitation. You don't have a way to access people easily if you aren't good friends when texting/calling is a little more personal.

I travel a lot. Say I have a buddy in San Francisco I haven't talked to in 3 years? I hit him up on facebook and maybe we hit the town. That's what it's for. Not wasting time trying to pickup girls...

So although I support your general mindset, I'd suggest anyone just to keep facebook around for it's simple usefulness and ease of use.

One thing I noticed is that after my break- I don't ever check it as much or waste as much time on there as I used to. So maybe a break will help you with that if that's a problem for you.

[–]RyanFire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're incel tier or a completely shy person, you HAVE to go after online girls first and get a feel for how 9+ girls talk and act to your personality and conversations. This is absolutely necessary for some people to come out of their shells. If an online hot girl doesn't think you're funny or appreciates your conversations, you're not going to make it in the real world with them either.

[–]JonathanMekerset[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

If you’re in college and don’t have instagram you’re weird. Don’t rationalize it.

If you’re in any club/org/Greek life etc you know this. Think as you like...

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Not everyone in college wastes their time on empty virtual fan clubs. Some college students have real homework, and will be able to pay back their students loans with their degree.

Stop following the herd.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm too old to judge how college aged kids view this but I'd trust someone who is there on this. You almost seem to forget how the world spins among teenagers.

If you are not following the herd, you must exceptional in other ways to avoid being labeled weird.

  • If you are an average Joe (or especially if you are socially awkward) without instagram, you are labeled weird (most of the guys)
  • If you are exceptional/popular, people won't care that you don't have instagram.

So I'd say it's somewhat situational. Now, you can always say "improve yourself and be exceptional/high value" but that's another story and it depends from a lot of factors if it's even possible to achieve during the short college time.

Anyway, I think it's a bad advice for most young guys to say them "stop following the herd and using instagram". It's like saying "Stop following the herd and wearing cool clothes".

If you are a badass you can wear whatever you want and be social media outcast and still be popular but applies only to a minority of guys.

[–]JonathanMekerset[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re not in college. Don’t.

There’s a reason so many RPers are friendless autists. Comments like this don’t help.

[–]ass_boy 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Lol same could be said for being on reddit buddy. I've got one but im not gonna call someone weird for not downloading an app

[–]JonathanMekerset[🍰] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

How could the same thing be said for reddit? Reddit is looked at as weird lol. It’s the opposite. If you use it you’re weird. That’s why you don’t go around telling people you use it. Tf...

And I couldn’t give a fuck what you call it or what any individual calls it. By the majority you’re looked at as weird if you don’t have social media in college, like it or not. Why do I have to spell this shit out lmao

[–]ass_boy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

First paragraph was my point. Second paragraph, no one gives a shit about you or your Instagram. No one is talking behind anyone's back that they dont have social media. And if ya do your group of friends are fucking weird.

[–]JonathanMekerset[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

When the fuck did I say anyone was talking behind anyone’s back? You need an Instagram or Snapchat for networking in college if you’re a part of anything that isn’t jacking off in your dorm room. If you don’t have those things you’re gonna be out of the loop.

And if what I said about Reddit was your point then I’m not sure exactly what you were trying to convey. If anything that supports what I’m saying.

[–]ass_boy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude pick up the fucking phone and ask your friends to go out. You don't need some kinda elaborate social media presence to not get left out of shit. And if thats how your social circle works then you should find a new one.

My point is reddit is weird and here we both here. not everything someone does or dosen't do online dictates status in the real world. You dont need a LinkedIn to become a damn CEO.

[–]EL_Miore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought college was for grown ups.

[–]ChrimsonChin988 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Just put as little time into it as possible, don't bother scrolling your feed daily and liking pics. Just put up a good pic every few months.

[–]cupshadow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find OP's approach rather radical. You don't really need to commit virtual suicide in order to have a mentality shift, unless you are so addicted that you can't help yourself. For the most part, people question you a lot why you are not on social media and others might think you have 0 zero friends, which can hurt your SMV with woman.

There is some strategies you can adopt to not waste time on these platforms, specially since looking at other people's posts leads to depression.

Plus, it can help you set dates with people you met in person.

[–]MarcosDomingues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right this rang a bell in me.

Whenever I DM'ed random girls, in most cases they'd just view and never reply. And when they did reply me I'd ask for nudes right away, as if that were the sole reason I was texting, not trying to get laid

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Loving this new content here and how many men are awakening from swiping on command and internet game. I’m guilty of this too, nearly all of my lays have been from tinder, and nudes are so easy to get I could do it with my eyes closed. However, that doesn’t mean jack shit to me, quality girls come from the real world. Online is full of low status women who will suck your dick for free, but how many men can actually pull quality women? I’m trying to reach another level, a level where true alpha males are. Cold approach is king.

[–]Gawernator -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Disagree. I’ve met tons of girls through social media, FB/IG and dating sites. It does help to be good looking and a semi professional athlete.

[–]TheImpossible1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Counter point : You can't get MeToo'd over the internet.

Making the first move in person is a high risk idea.