Want to get a real life red pill refresher course? Move back in with your parents. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Infla-mood

Nothing beats you over the head with the importance of RP then seeing your parents interact.

I recently broke up with my ex after 10+ years of living together. I decided to move back in with my parents to plan my next move. Nothing could have prepared me for the clusterfuck of entitled bullshit going on in my parents home.

My dad is a legend. Good looking, funny, a hard worker, very easy going – nothing seems to phase him. Therein lies the problem. My mom is a “nice” lady. Just not to her husband. He works his ass off all week in a high pressure job pulling in six figures, and she works two days a week. Does this entitle him to a weekend of being treated like a King and relaxing? Fuck no! He spends all weekend doing jobs around the house, making her breakfast and cups of tea, while she puts a bit of bleach in the toilet and complains about how tired she is from all the work she does around the house. The hamster would be spinning itself into a blazing inferno if he wasn't there to put it out with big wet doses of his self respect.

The worst part is how they interact. She talks to him as if he were a piece of shit on the bottom of her shoe. He makes constant needy jokes about sex and she happily and proudly shuts him down because apparently it's a funny joke to deny your provider sex. He admitted to me more than once that he doesn't want to retire because he can't imagine spending 24/7 with her. How fucked up is that? He would rather work into his grave than enjoy his twilight years with his “one and only true love.” Part of the problem is religion. As a devout catholic he doesn't believe in divorce. At least he won't have to go to hell. He's already been there.

I discuss red pill philosophy with him and he gets it from an intellectual perspective. But he can't apply it in real life. It's counter intuitive. We've been brainwashed our whole lives to think a certain way about relationships. But as we all know, this shit works.

Your mom is a nice lady. But she's also a raging cuntmonster.

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[–]DaneLikeTheGreat 170 points171 points  (3 children)

Same shit dude. Ever since I took the red pill I woke up from the "prefect family" I grew up in, to the hypergamious cunt queen my mother actually is. Mother to other children and everyone loves her, but to her family she is the absolute worst.The past 20 years she has been a television worthy hoarder. Always making excuses of how she's too busy to clean while my dad busts his ass at his high stress job also pulling 6 figures. Wakes up at 5 every day works out, is 62 and kick all four of his sons asses and we're not small guys. Musically talented, and used to be in theater, small boat sailing, wood worker, a MANS MAN! I just moved back in to finish college and I tried to help her clean but then the supper cunt came out.

He say's he's given up on having company over or having a clean home, that he will just wait till retirement, then he can sit down and clean everything himself. Spends his whole life with this woman living at his home he provides just to have to retire to finally get her to clean her fucking mess! GOD DAMN DISGRACE! Every time I try to help she is some how the victim and I'm the ungrateful son! What the fuck!!? Female solipsism is unprecedented!

Much more I could go into but I think we both see how our situations are extremely similar. Alpha men who attracted beautiful Monsters. As they were coming off their SMV they were just climbing theirs and they just jumped on the train going up. What sickens me is the men I grew up calling uncle are just back up betas for this fucking woman. disgusting.

[–]UnluckyPenguin 113 points114 points  (8 children)

Wow, I've actually experienced both ends. Both my parents divorced each other and remarried other people.

My actual mother was a smart, hard worker already making 6-figures in the 90's, and luckily she married an alpha multi-millionaire who helped shaped me who I am today (in particular by never giving me a penny). My mother also turned in a red-pill woman in the sense that she didn't put up with unintelligent, low-quality effort on anyone's part and she did whatever her husband requested of her.

My actual father was always lazy, always beta. Almost never hung out with his own kids, worked at home as a sales rep getting rejected constantly (and pay cuts). Not surprisingly he married a woman who immediately wore the pants in the family, and she would blow hellfire from her mouth when she got angry. Father always says: "Happy Wife, Happy Life"

Lastly, in my house, I am the bad cop to my kids, so they've learned my words must be followed. It's been interesting watching my wife evolve into emulating my actions. I get surprised all the time by my kids copying some a-type action I do, like ever since they started walking they copied my posture (straight back). I always say: "Happy King, Happy Kingdom"

I would expect parents to teach TRP knowledge to their kids, but I guess it could go just as easily in the opposite direction.

[–]mraxelrodi 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Love to read these positive life based comments.

[–]DaneLikeTheGreat 33 points34 points  (2 children)

RT "Happy King, Happy Kingdom" Love that @UnluckyPenguin

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Use /u/ not @ to notify a user

[–]frooschnate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And you don’t gotta mention em if it’s a direct reply they’ll be notified anyways.

Since I want you to read this and I’m replying to someone else I gotta tag you u/danelikethegreat

Hope that makes sense buddy

[–]alphabluepiller 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Like Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Except, Alpha Dad Beta Dad

[–]QueenSlapFight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Happy King, Happy Kingdom"

I'm using this. Lots better than my tried and true "This is not a democracy."

[–]celtiberian666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Happy Wife, Happy Life"

This! Plus "My way or highway".

[–]whats_the_deal22 137 points138 points  (5 children)

I have the opposite situation in my house. My dad has such a good hold on the relationship and is definitely the alpha male of the house. My mom has never had to work. She cooks dinner for my father every night and makes sure the house looks nice and that the bills are paid. He calls the shots and she doesn't question him. If she does he has no problem shutting it down very quickly and sternly.

It serves as a good reminder of what I should be striving for. I fear that this type of relationship is a little harder to find these days, but it's still a good goal to have.

edit: I should've mentioned that my parents seem to have a stronger and happier marriage than pretty much every one around them.

[–]papertowelfreethrow 41 points42 points  (0 children)

My parents have a similar relationship. They’re immigrants but they’ve lived in the US for almost 30 years. My dad works all day and expects dinner in a clean kept home every night. My mom happily does this since she doesn’t work. They still flirt and and seem to love each other.

[–]I_Dont_Type 15 points16 points  (1 child)

My parents are the same. My mum would “never allow him” (her words) to come home to a dirty house. She got her old job back working 25 hours a week so she wouldnt feel like she’s leaching off him even though he makes enough and then some for the whole family. I begrudgingly know that she satisfies him sexually, despite them being almost 60 and she’s happy to do it for her man. He never gives in to her, although he never does her wrong either as the man has absolutely no vices. He does all of this unknowingly. They are united in their common unspoken goal of having perfect family, life and prosperity. It’s absolutely beautiful and I fear I won’t be able to obtain such a relationship unless I work as hard as him.

[–]Lawojin 5 points6 points  (1 child)

How does he practically do this?

[–]Shaman6624 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Not OP but the answer to your question is kind of this entire subreddit. Sexual strategies for men. If there was a clear cut answer to get your sexual and relational life in order this sub wouldn't exist. But that being said my answer would be: Don't settle for less. If you have healthy boundaries of what you are willing to accept from your partner and you won't be needy and afraid to walk away when those expectations aren't met then you will eventually encounter someone who wants to meet your expectations. Value your own time above all else.

[–]Infla-mood[S] 34 points35 points  (9 children)

“Humans carry around legacy behaviors and biases, jerry-rigged holdovers from earlier stages of evolution that follow their own obsolete rules. What seem like erratic, irrational choices are, in fact, strategies created long ago for solving other kinds of problems. We’re all trapped in the bodies of sly, social-climbing opportunists shaped to survive the savanna by policing each other. For days, the book carries him along in a happy stupor. Armed with the patterns the book reveals, he imagines himself running experiments on every girl in school, a dollop of nail polish on their shoe-heels to keep track of their comings and goings. The best part is Chapter 12, “Influence.” Had he read it as a freshman, he’d be school president-for-life. The mere idea that human behavior—his lifelong nemesis—possesses hidden but knowable patterns as beautiful as anything he once witnessed in insects makes his insides sing. He feels lighter and righter than he has since his sister disappeared.” The Overstory – Richard Powers

[–]holeintheceiling 5 points6 points  (7 children)

What book is he referring to? It sounds like it’s worth a read.

[–]chrisname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t think it was meant to refer to a real book.

[–]sx_appeal 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The Overstory by Richard Powers .. Google Search :)

[–]LoveLord1000 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Read the quote again. In it, a book is being referred to, and specifically to "Chapter 12, Influence". The question is whether that is a real book that is being referred to, and if so, what is it?

[–]Mangome 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It is a real book, "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion", it is a good one, i read it out of a recommended books thread in here a while ago

[–]Infla-mood[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for doing the leg work. I didn't even know if it was a real book!

[–]LoveLord1000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you sure about that? I've read Influence. It's a great book, but it only has 7 chapters.

[–]The_Noble_Lie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could be self referential, referring to "The Overstory" within the Over Story.

If it is, color me even more interested.

[–]Banking_Scrilla 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Damn, I wouldn't want to be living with anyone after 10 years of living with my ex. But I get what you mean, I see that shit every time I see my parents. My mother tries to manipulate me to do things for her, and I jokingly just control the frame, and my dad would always be quiet. Like mfker, I am trying to show you something. Would have given him the Rollo Tommasi Books but he doesn't read any books, so I left it as it is.

He's my stepdad by the way.

[–]DaneLikeTheGreat 16 points17 points  (4 children)

He wrote the book so we could just hand it to those who need it, but then they won't read it because it's too much work to make changes to that help ourselves. It has to come from with in. I fucking hate that. I wish there was something we could do that would get them in the right direction. But there's really not. Just living the example is all that we have. I wish we had more. Similarly I wish the man I want to be would be helped to come to fruition from someone else.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Blue Pill and Social Conditioning goes deep in the psyche. After a lifetime of reinforcement, it's virtually impossible for some men to unlearn this behavior. These guys are doomed to a lifetime of misery and suffering with some intolerable shrew. Society is not doing men any favors with this "just be yourself" and "be a nice guy crap."

I'm not saying be an unfathomable Chad-jerk, but women hate weak, supplicating, and non-masculine men. They hate it while at the same time condemning men who dare behave in a masculine manner and contrary to the female hive-mind imperative that constantly berates men to sacrifice for greater society, at the behest of women, and to his own detriment.

Tomassi's The Rationale Male is a classic read and there should be some way to make it mandatory reading or training for young men.

I've lost track of the number of times I've heard men say "it's easier to stay in the marriage" - albeit an unhappy situation or the oft-quoted line of "it's cheaper to keep her."

How Sway? <In my Kanye voice>

[–]DaneLikeTheGreat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wisdom. I will see how he responds, I gave him the book and am trying to wake my 3 brothers up but as you said, some are unreachable after a lifetime of blue pill reinforcement. The funny thing is that he says he never wanted to be the weak man his father was and yet he's lived in a hoarder home the last 25 years of a 27 year marriage. That's the art of female control, make the man feel and look masculine while still undermining and controlling the frame. Literally makes me sick to my stomach.

[–]Pestilence1911 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You cant save everyone.

As an experement i gave one of my beta coworkers 12 rules for life, he hasnt read it yet, but hes unlocked most of the mew characters on the mew smash bros game.

[–]unn4med 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same here - mom slightly tries to manipulate ever so often, nowadays I hold frame, dad remains quiet (heavy introvert)

[–]DeontologicalSanders 57 points58 points  (6 children)

Jesus Christ, are you me?

But seriously, this is what all marriages are, to one extent or another. One of my cardinal rules in dealing with the opposite sex is to remember that no matter what, you can always count on a woman to pull the slack out of whatever length of leash you give her. It doesn't matter if its 10 feet long or 10 miles. They are designed to be selfish. They are designed to test boundaries. They are designed to take unearned benefits for granted. They are designed to always want more.

And as difficult as it is to accept, it's your dad's fault. It's also my dad's fault. It's everyone's dad's fault. No matter the circumstances, negative outcomes within a relationship are always the man's responsibility. Men and women are not equal and never will be, and this is a big part of the reason why.

[–]wobbleelbbow 18 points19 points  (4 children)

negative outcomes within a relationship are always the man's responsibility. Men and women are not equal and never will be, and this is a big part of the reason why.

should be upvoted much more. That's the truth. Men and women are not equal and because of that we have double standards which are just. We also have duties and responsibilities, which aren't equal either and for this reason, any (or most) negative outcomes are man's responsibility. He's a man and a leader. The worst case he can fix it by divorcing the woman. But if he stays, it's on HIM to fix it or stop complaining and just live with what he's got.

[–]DeontologicalSanders 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The worst case he can fix it by divorcing the woman. But if he stays, it's on HIM to fix it or stop complaining and just live with what he's got.

I'm partial to "or not get married in the first place, because marriage is just a superficial benchmark for a woman to brag about to her girlfriends and mom, and does not absolutely nothing to make her appreciate a man more or increase her sexual attraction to him".

[–]smirk_addict 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never thought about it in that way but damn you're right. I've never known a woman to desire her husband more or appreciate him more after marriage. Not unless there was some type of dread.

[–]magx01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does anyone do it then? I mean biological imperative, blah blah but rationally: is it actually worth it at all in your opinion? Do the benefits outweigh the negatives?

[–]ConservativelyRight 26 points27 points  (5 children)

"He admitted to me more than once that he doesn't want to retire because he can't imagine spending 24/7 with her. How fucked up is that?"

I'm fairly certain this is why most men become workaholics. They cannot stand coming home to a nagging wife, so they'd rather stay at work.

As far as the wife is concerned, it's mission accomplished. He's working more, bringing in more money, and she's basically co-opted his home to do whatever the fuck she wants.

[–]Pestilence1911 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Thats why im a workaholic.

One of my exs cheated on me, because she thought i was cheating on her cause "Nobody works 18 hours a day"

In Alberta they do. $$$$

[–]magx01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

she thought i was cheating on her

No. She said she thought that. It was projection. In reality it was an excuse to cheat. Long hours away often leads to cheating.

[–]Pestilence1911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It waa projection. I realise now.

She hid her meth addiction fairly well, and i supported her through university...and then she got expelled and banned from her field of study cause she got caught with speed,

Looking back it was a huge waste of time, she started punching herself in the face when she realised i waant going too, like no wonder you cry about how all your boyfriend's beat you.

Bitch deserved it,

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Particularly to bring other men in and have sex with them on her husband's bed

[–]1Ill_Will7 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Sounds like the EXACT same dynamics as my parents...

I aint going to live back in that toxic house. Its what messed me up in the first place.

[–]SalporinRP 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I love my mom but almost every woman I've met has a way of making it seem like they accomplish so much despite it not being the case. My mom is retired now because of very good investments on her part but I never hear the end of how hard her life is or how much she has to do. Yet the hardest thing she does is go grocery shopping or clean a couple things around the house. (we have a housekeeper come once a week so my mom barely even cleans anyways)

I just recently graduated college so am living at home for the next few months to save up some money before I move out (I live in an insanely expensive area). I will forever be grateful for the work my mom has done in raising me and providing me with food, shelter, etc. But I get up at 6am every day to lift, then go work in an office doing sales from 9-5 and I have to come home to hear my mom bitching nonstop about the fact that she had to "run errands" (go grocery shopping for herself, pick up a prescription, go to the bank,etc.) for 2 hours. I've had to literally bite down on my tongue a few times to prevent myself from saying something and I am just counting the days until my friend's lease expires in July and I can go find an apartment with him.

[–]DaneLikeTheGreat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Grocery Delivery Service #1

Grocery Delivery Service #2

Grocery Delivery Service #3

Grocery Delivery Service #4

......The House Mom Is Going Extinct Wanting Things To DO! Try a Social experiment. Order your own groceries using this app, even if it's expensive and just see what she does...God I'd love to be the fly on the wall for that one. My mom say's she's swamped with TV shows she has to catch up on before the DVR runs out of room....Like it's some sort of JOB and her BOSS will fire her if she doesn't get all those shoes watched! hahahahaha God this is so fucking first world it's crazy

[–]Nicolas0631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People that do a lot tend to complain less than people that barely do anything. It is not even related to the sex of the person but more her character and the situation.

One don't need much time to take the habit to not do much and resent any effort they may have to do.

This is also how you see things. There actually no difference between work and leasure, this is just how you decide to see it. Some tend to see all the things they do as some terrible annoyging constraints, some tend to see all they do as enjoyable activities.

[–]magx01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's in their nature to outsource chores as much as possible to the people around them as well as to justify their existence (because deep down they know there are leeches and in danger of being 'found out') by exaggerating how much they contribute.

[–]91wavey91 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Things are a bit different at home.

My mother prepares fathers food 3 times a day. She doesnt work, so the house is spotless and the garden is beautiful.

While she constantly complains about it to me, she never skips a day. Its insane.

Dad complains about mom being jobless, and they really get into it...but at the end of the day they make up. Dad usually remedies the argument by taking mom out to walmart. Just like that, everything is cool again.

Even though mom wanted to shove religion down my throat while i was growing up and she didnt graduate high school, she was never short of a loving and moral to both my brother, dad and myself.

[–]Thizzlebot 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Must be nice to have a family that isn't divorced.

[–]duehvdke 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Looking back, my family was basically OP's until they divorced. My dad got me thank god, and I had a mostly solid male role model in my life. He's still pretty conservative and moralizes to me a fuckin lot, but he has a strong frame and there's mutual respect. I could see myself being a total bluepilled pussy if my mom raised me, and my dad saved me from that.

[–]askmrcia 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Your Dad and mom sounds like every "happy" married couple I know.

Growing up I often did always hear husbands complain about their wives always nagging and being bitchy. Now that I'm older I've seen it first hand myself multiple times.

Honestly I personally don't think I'll be happy living that way. I lived with my mom and the one thing that drove me insane was her constant nagging.

I was a teenager at the time. I can't imagine being in my 50s coming home from a long days of work hearing constant complaining.

[–]Theguygotgame777 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I'm not sure if my parents are different because I spend most of the day at school, but I think they are. My mom does most of the indoor housework, and has never won an argument against my dad. He even sent her to their room once, because she dented the car against a telephone pole.

[–]DownyGall 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hahahaha sent her to their room once. That’s awesome

[–]Zdeneksfilter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He even sent her to their room once, because she dented the car against a telephone pole.

Your dad's an absolute legend. I can't stop laughing.

[–]1Obediah_Stane 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can't even begin to describe how I relate to this. It was only after I took off my blue pill goggles that I realized how poorly my mother treats my father. Granted she does that because he allows it. I was raised in a very tradcon environment and boy did I get quite a shock when I discovered TRP.

[–]MakoShark93 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I actually have no fucking idea what's going on with my family dynamic. My mother has rebellious streaks, but my father is an alpha male. He knows how to live -- is logical (smart AF), understands the "system" -- is hardly ever wrong. Has his own business. He's a Christian man (very disciplined about religion), believes that a man should be the head of his household -- very traditional. My mom came from a very tumultuous background, her mother and father both having mental problems and her father beating up her mother constantly when she was a child and they were poor af.

So as you could imagine -- this opposites attract type shit makes up a different batch of insanity. I've only seen my parents kiss a max of probably 4 times in my entire life. My father has a magnetic personality, and my mother is very kind and they get along well, but sometimes it's Shit Test City. I'm talking about extreme type shit. Arguments, wild arguments, accusations, blaming then tranquility. They've been together for a very long time. On the inside, I am incredibly emotionally fucked up, however. I don't know WTF a stable household is supposed to look like. Anxiety, depression, existential ennui -- that's all I really know. Some happiness is there too.

Being that I'm aware of their struggles (especially since they came from another country) -- I feel as though I'm always living for them. The red pill is helping me comb through some things, though. My upbringing wasn't exactly red pill or blue pill -- idk WTF it was tbh.

[–]GirTheRobot 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I've also moved back in and while my experience isn't as dramatic as yours, it's similar. Both of my parents are retired (they had me at a very late age) and my dad has always been the "yes, dear" "we'll eat wherever you want" man but I can tell my mom just doesn't respect him. Plus the fact that he's obese (though she ain't exactly fit neither). But every time she talks about him, it's nothing positive. It's pretty disheartening. Always "He has the TV so loud" or "He made such and such for dinner but I don't like such and such" or "He never has his phone on" or "He always leaves his dishes in the sink" etc. Oftentimes there is a distinct disdain in her voice because my dad forgot something she'd said, or didn't hear her the first time or any number of things. I don't think I've ever once heard her say something nice about him since I've moved back. They've been together 45 years.

My dad on the other hand just doesn't say anything positive/negative about her. He talks about her in completely neutral, logical terms, like if something needs to be done involving her.

Oh well. At least I can listen to Jordan Peterson lectures with my dad and we can talk about the Gulag Archipelago and the horrors of socialism.

[–]musteatbrainz 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Lord help me but I feel like I'm headed here in my own personal life. I'm 33, she's 32. We got married almost a year ago, after being together for four years. We've lived together for three before getting married. Just found out we're pregnant. Often she can be incredibly sweet, affectionate, supportive, and selfless towards me. But other times she ignores me when I speak and finds a reason to disagree about anything I say. I could literally say the sky is blue, and she would dispute and dismiss whatever opinion I have. The irony is when we do disagree about something factual (like directions, history, etc.), I'm usually right. Yet she continues to live in this world where her opinion is infallible. Also any issues I have with another person are met with skepticism or lack of concern from her, yet anytime she has an issue I always have her back (like a loving spouse should do!). Icing on the cake - I'm the massive earner, I take the initiative on everything (wedding, honeymoon, cleaning the apartment, etc.), I hit the gym at 5am every morning, and overall lead a successful, disciplined life. So why am I punished for it? Maybe it's too late but how do I dig myself out of this hole?? Not sure what you animals might suggest (lol), but off-the-table options - divorce, affairs, abuse, etc. I just want to be treated the way I treat her...

[–]DaneLikeTheGreat 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You should read into "Dread Game." You sound like my father, a good man who is disciplined but you need to realized the evolutionary stage you married this woman at. As she was coming down her SMV(Sexual Market Value) She got you who is just climbing to his peak. She Won Man. I can't say it any other way. Her feminine sexual strategy prevailed over yours. She get's the good life now because it's how society frames male femail relationships should be, in a womans favor towards her pluralistic strategy. Once you understand that, now you can start asking the right questions.

Let me rephrase what you're asking. You're not asking "how can I get her to treat me better?" you're asking, "how can I get the frame back!" my friend you have a long road to hoe...(pun intended) There is no quick fix, I'm sure you're aware of that and things are going to get worse before they are going to get better but there is away. If you haven't, Read Rollo Tomassi's The Rational Male and start being proactive in the mesosphere community. Just like a fat guy ask's how do I loose weight, you need to understand your not asking "how to loose weight" your asking "how to I fuck hot ass girls!" The quick answer is to consistently show up to the gym, and consistently seek out knowledge about how to preform there. This creates a positive feedback loop that will eventually get you fucking HB10's! It's getting lost in the right direction.

Now you might be saying "Dane, I'm married I'm not trying to fuck ton's of hot girls any more" but I'm saying you are it's just not a ton of them it's the one which means your game has to be ON FUCKING POINT, ALL THE DAMN TIME! You can still can drive her crazy and make her want to fuck your brains out as much as possible which is the goal, don't you blue pill try to doge that but your techniques are going to have to change.

This is where dread game comes into play. Objects are more valuable when they are scarce. How readily available is your love? How easily does she get it when she reaches for it? The power in the relationship is with the one who needs the other the least. How much do you need her? How much does she need you? Sit down and actually think about it. If you left, her quality of life would plummet! SHE NEEDS YOU! You could easily find another woman, who treats you better. This is your new frame. She will buck this frame, "hate" you for it, but she will fuck you harder then she ever has once you slip it around her neck and she starts to operate inside reality.

I hope this helps, here's the link to Rollo Tomassi's: The Rational Male book's.
See you in the Gym brother.

~ DaneLikeTheGreat

[–]1Imperator_Red 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be 100% honest, if my girlfriend argued with me over some shit and we looked it up and I was right, I would literally bend her over the couch/table/bed and start rubbing her pussy through her pants, asking her where the fuck she gets off arguing with me. She'd probably struggle a bit, but eventually she'd give in and I'd get my nuts back.

In the rare cases where she actually stopped me to the point that carrying on would be rapey - "I'm totally serious! I'm not in the mood right now. Stop!" then I'd just shrug and walk away and withdraw attention from her for 24 hours or so.

Of course we've not been together anywhere near 5 years, so it's possible that I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about.

[–]Nicolas0631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whas she behaving nicely before the wedding ? Was there really a big difference or was it already there ?

For your wife, she look like a normal person. Maybe not as great as you are from what you say, but she doesn't look like a terrible person. Maybe you ask to much of her and getting a person like you want be it a man or woman, is not that easy to get you know.

For the disciplined life, you know, nobody care of it expect you maybe. People may be interrested in the results (you are more in shape, you bring more money, you are reliable), they are not that interrested in the boring stuff you have to do to reap the benefits.

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Living that life right now due to entrepreneurial risk. Humbling and fun though.

[–]TornadoCreator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Speak for yourself. Due to ill health I also had to move back in with my parents, and still live with them now at 32...

My mother is a Nurse and the primary bread-winner of the family, my dad used to work and is ex-military, but once they had kids he took up a primarily house-husband role and community figure. He cooks, cleans, takes care of the finances, and used to make a bit of extra money on the side doing auto-repair jobs and basic household maintenance for friends and neighbours. They have a relatively good relationship, they argue at times, but not overly so. Both have their own friends and hobbies that don't over-lap, but they spend time together every day and genuinely enjoy each others company. As far as I know, they have a semi active sex life, but they're rather private about that for which I'm eternally grateful.

Some people have stable home lives; but then a male role model who's an ex-military, classic car building, self-taught DIY enthusiast, trained chef, and generally traditionally masculine man who doesn't give a fuck served me and my siblings well. My sister is a medicinal biologist and teacher about to start her doctorate; she's successful and confident, and she's also completely red-pilled. She's anti-feminist, believes that women make better housewives and mothers, and that they should provide support and stability for their partners... unless both partners choose to switch roles. She would be happy in either role, as provider or home-maker. These are the kinds of women you get when there is a confident traditional gender dynamic bringing her up, even if the gender roles are somewhat reversed.

So yeah. Not all parents are as tragic as you made out. Some of them had it figures out way back in the 1980's. It's modern social justice movements fucking it up for our generation.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

and complains about how tired she is from all the work she does around the house.

Seen this too. Asked my mother to list the jobs she actually does around the house. Very very short list, came to a few hours per week. They must think we're stupid.... we know how long that shit takes.

He admitted to me more than once that he doesn't want to retire because he can't imagine spending 24/7 with her.

Well, there's an easy solution there.

Part of the problem is religion. As a devout catholic he doesn't believe in divorce.

He doesn't need a divorce, he can just move out.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 9 points10 points  (0 children)

When women make decisions we get the Adam And Eve situation. He's a Catholic so speak to him in those terms.

[–]Librehombre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your dad is probably older and men age sooner. The hard part is going to be when he needs her to help bathing, dressing . She will with hold help just as happily as she with holds sex now. My mom was nt happy about not helping dad, she just got depressed and Dad got dirty and started saying mom was starving him, which was maybe true, he was losing his mind too so I never knew. She had him on a low low fat high carb diet which probably helped give him Alzheimers. I can tell similar stories about my grandfathers. My grandmother was a devout catholic and said angels were beating up grandpa when he got old. Women are wired to take care of puppies, cats and babies. Women are wired not to care for men, it is an unnatural situation for a woman to give care or anything to a man.

[–]SKRedPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As people grow older, changing old patterns gets harder. Not physically, but it's more like the will power declines. For a kid, growing up from 6-12 is only 6 years, and you're still a kid. But taking the same effort from like 56-62, that's huge for an adult.

A good idea is to build up a list of everything that makes you a better, more attractive man and stuff that doesn't (we're talking devil in the details level). Work on that all life.

And there is another thing, men's SMV decline can be staved off a lot longer (a lot in fact, and it's still relative to the age group of women around - there are always women around your age), but it requires a lot of work. Most men just aren't ready to put in that effort. Many men are also not as mentally sharp or self aware as they were once, they're far more compulsive and stubborn when it comes to old patterns. Stoicism declines. Moodiness goes up. Will power's really down from one's peak.

By the way, that thing about old couples not being able to stand each other? It's real, and it happens in most of the 'successfully married for 25-30+ years' marriages. Every single one of my previous gen in my family is at that age now. I'll tell you that survival and kids, or especially grand kids, not attraction is the glue holding 'em all up. Maybe 1 in 100 cases might still be in love (maybe not as physical as a teenager, but at least emotionally).

We need a sidebar article on how to avoid a midlife crisis (and the associated drop in SMV - since it brings out the worst in middle aged guys).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In the country where I live, when most children become young adults, they keep living with their parents till they tie the knot, unless they have to attend college or work that is far away from the house.

That being said I saw major portions of the red-pill just by seeing how my parents interact and how I started interacting with my family myself.

I saw how my father had absolute control over the frame. Everything has to go through him. He also works around the house according to his own time. Mother shames him for it, Blue-pill me would ask him: “Does this not irritates you that she talks shit about you?” To which he would reply:”Let her say whatever the fuck she wants, she’s living under my roof means she has to operate according to my rules. ” After unplugging, I would simply crack in complete laughter, knowing why everything is happening the way it is. By the way this is the same man who didn’t even let out a single tear, when his mother passed away.

Blue-pill teen me was your typical good mummy’s boy. I would listen to everything mummy said and do everything mummy asks. A complete crybaby if he made mummy sad. Mummy would say to me: “Your father is treating me like shit, I will raise you to not be like your father and be an absolute good man [beta bux] to your future wife [That is if I was able to find one after you killed my personality].” She distanced me from my father, even made him a fear weapon through her upbringing, even making his advice cryptic. After I unplugged the script flipped however. I enjoyed every single second I spend with him. I understood what he was saying to me all along. Mother would shame me saying I became a carbon copy of my Father, my sister tells me I became mean, cold and heartless, and my little brother says I’ve become very intimidating. Father says I’m making him proud, as he became my role model in life.

Ladies and gents I had a gift that was hidden from me by the feminine imperative, and you helped my find it. For that, a million thanks.

[–]Pestilence1911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello me!,

My mom used to tell me my dad was comming to pick me up, and then let me stay up till 10pm,

He never was comming. It was her turning me against him, when she brought this up as an asult she....sounded delightful when she said i stopped asking.

Women are evil, and have no qualms about turning their children into betas to spite Chad.

[–]Irtotallynotrobot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Really great to see this subject come up. I recently left my high pressure NYC job to go off on my own. Things are going better than I could've imagined and I have to thank you lot for a good deal of it.

I spent a month with my step father and real mother. He plays the role farely well but spends far more time fixated on my mothers needs than I respect him for. He's an accomplished business man who takes no shit but let's my mother run the show all the time yet scolds me for leaving the toilet seat up... The lesson for me here is that the way you run your home life can have collateral damage in your relationships with observers.

I'm spending time with my father currently which is really great. Natural alpha in his early years but kind of lost his edge and does the same shit my step father does. However, he talks trp theory without knowledge of this place often so he's a great person to speak with on the subject. Spending time with a strong male role model has been great especially since he was busy making ends meet in my youth, no resentment for that; he made some fantastic opportunities for me. It was common place for sons to transition to the make world in farming culture, I think a lot of boys today are sorely missing that male bonding experience in their early lives.

Thanks for the post!

[–]buttgoogler 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Your mom is a nice lady. But she's also a raging cuntmonster.

Another realization comes after you become red pill aware and you notice your own mother shit-testing you occasionally. AWALT.

[–]Pestilence1911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Listen. Im not going to be discussing serious topics with you, because every response you give is one from a position of weakness"

I entertained her shittests for two minutes, then jist laughed when shed try to character assassanate me for things i did as a beta, over ten years ago.

[–]1Imperator_Red -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Lol mothers don't shit test their sons... wtf is going on in your house?

[–]DeadliftRx 3 points4 points  (2 children)

So I elected to empty out the house and put all of my stuff in storage after my ex moved out so I can list an empty house for sale - I have the personal mindset thst a potential buyer's wife can then envision her life in it snd some other guy can take on the bills I no longer need. Could have kept it, but no single man needs 5 acres and 400sqft to himself. I did what OP did. My parents have thre unused rooms in their house and they are letting me stay for a while.

My father detests my mother, the difference is he's now 80 and has use fpr her in his older age. She is waiting for him to die so she can collect.

Don't get married, fellas. Don't have kids.

[–]RuleTheOne 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wow that last sentence is haunting. Just waiting for him to die it is almost as if women are just looking to "Cash out"

[–]DeadliftRx 2 points3 points  (0 children)


Oddly today I accepted an offer that makes me a profit. 13 days on the market. Going to cut my losses and focus on me for... Ever.

[–]Olram_Sacul 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No way I'm gonna go back there again!

[–]Jacob_exe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems really weird to me as my parents have the opposite of what you just described. My dad works his ass off and my mom does treat him like a king, she doesn't seem miserable though, they've been happy my whole life. Some women just like providing their man and some, well some are dicks

[–]Lawojin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This stuff scares me of going into a relationship. Because i know there are certain boundaries you must set from the start, or you already lost the game. And even if you manage that, its so easy to slip up... i wouldnt want to live on my own the rest of my life tho..

[–]EdAnt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My parents are basically just roommates. They even have separate bedrooms. It's fucking pathetic.

[–]Warrior_King02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit I never thought of this. I thought I'd give it a shot (I'm 16 anyways so I already live with my parents) and realised that my dad was losing his frame. He's a great guy, taught me a lot but him and my mum always keep arguing, most of the time about dumb shit. After closely eyeing this behaviour I think I realise the importance of keeping frame and getting to a point in life where you're a high value man.

[–]fdsafdasfdsafds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

big wet doses of his self respect.


She talks to him as if he were a piece of shit on the bottom of her shoe. He makes constant needy jokes about sex and she happily and proudly shuts him down


he gets it from an intellectual perspective. But he can't apply it in real life. It's counter intuitive. We've been brainwashed..

There is a much bigger problem going on here. She's a cunt because he allows her to be a cunt. Why hasn't he walked? Where is his self-respect if he allow someone to talk to him like dirt? If, despite that, he pleas for intimacy? "He can't", "it's counter-intuitive", "we've been brainwashed". Weak man. Nothing but excuses.

The problem here isn't necessarily your mum, but her captain.

But yeh, it is shocking how many of our fathers behave like this, mine was the same.

[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look at it this way: It's his job to stand up to her. Women will push it as far as they can - he needs to tell her to STFU and make her behave

Complacency in men is often misunderstood for bitchiness in Women

[–]Algontuk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reading all the posts here has had me been thinking about my family, because we have a kind of weird arrangement.

My Pa is much older than my Mom, and he's already retired, so for most of my life, he hasn't worked. She ended up getting a job later. He cooks breakfast (which is mostly for her benefit, he doesn't need to get up early), she cooks dinner and if anybody cooks lunch for the other, it's her cooking it for him. He does the dishes because he's too anal to let anybody else do it. They both clean, but there's not much cleaning to do, exactly? Mom can be a bit of a pig with certain things, like cleaning around her chair or in certain rooms, but the main portion of the house is okay. He does lawncare and home expansion.

I feel like she does a lot more work than he does, but I don't know if that would have been as much the case before he retired and she got a job. Either way, Mom has some issues with laziness and excuse-making, but I never felt that she took Pa for granted and never saw an issue in the division of labor.

[–]Andgelyo 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Are you kidding me? My dad is the biggest piece of shit I’ve ever known in my life. Pulled a gun on me numerous times and told me I was a worthless piece of shit more times than I can count. Went to jail for domestic violence twice. My mother is a Saint, put up with his useless ass and raised 3 boys while my dad pretty much didn’t do jack shit but complain. She made the money and worked her ass off to put all of us through school. Apples to oranges motherfucka. It’s probably why I grew up to be a bad kid with behavioral problems. My household is reverse compared to yours. Your mother is just a cunt, doesn’t mean all of ours is too. The only thing I learned from the man who created half of me was to not take any shit.

[–]SKRedPill 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You've got father issues - you never got the positive masculine energy you needed back then. I won't spoil it for you, but you've got a lot to learn. Most of us have father issues, but yours is particularly awful. A lot of feminists were born because of daddy issues.

Remember that most mothers are angels to their children - not necessarily to their significant other. That relationship is however different from your relationship with all other women, and especially a wife or a lover. They're night and day.

More sidebar and experience needed for you.

Actually if anything, this kind of strengthens the case for why RP fathers and husbands are needed. And forget it that your mum was devoted to him, even if she was, she was unhappy.

[–]Andgelyo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I don’t need you to tell me to “read up on the side bar” like I’m some little boy. I’m 28 years old. Hard life experiences, and women fucking me over, had red pilled me enough. I get enough pussy and have an insatiable hunger for success to do great things in life.

[–]SKRedPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good for you then. When you do look back, the suffering did teach many important lessons.

[–]DaneLikeTheGreat 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Anyone see the NAWALT argument? If you haven't read it, I'd give it a listen or read so you know we're not all a bunch of women haters.
The Rational Male
It's important when entering any tribe to learn the jargon so you can communicate effectively, this book is the quickest way to get caught up to speed.

[–]Andgelyo -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I agree, NAWALT for the women back then. Our mothers generation had real women who were feminine and stuck by their abusive husbands no matter what. Our generation and after are the ones who are fucked. OP is delusional and thinks everyone’s mother is a bitch like his.

[–]mustard5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you are projecting your anger at your own father onto others.

[–]yes_kid -1 points0 points  (3 children)

If I had some reddit gold I would give it to you.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thanks. It’s comforting to know that at least some of us here had great mothers. I get the hate for the women in today’s age, but women back then were loyal AF.

[–]Recklessabandon555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People here seem to think that "dread game" can change a whore into a housewife when it simply doesn't work like that. I have friends that are alpha and have bedded 100 women and the main advice is that whether a female will cheat on you or not is based on their character.

[–]Kevin19Fish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ehh my mom and dad get along great. She cooks for him and makes him lunch every morning before work. This may be a you thing

[–]maljo24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your parents are in a successful long term relationship.

You are not.

Most egregiously, you have now moved back in with your parents.

What you have illustrated is a complete failure of TRP philosophy.

Don't lecture your father, learn from him.

[–]chewis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't lived with my parents since 2016, but my dad seemed to have a somewhat RP mindset, of course not knowing what "red pill" was. Never seen them fight, but the few times I saw my mom get snippy with him he shut her down like he didn't have time for it.

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[–]Infla-mood[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chuck the sidebar and the book of pook onto a kindle.

[–]sssimasnek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rescue your father from the belly of the beast

[–]frankreyes 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I spent a week with my mother. I don't wan't to go back there ever again.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But be careful! Not is all as it seems. Some parents are super good at keeping shit secret.

[–]frankreyes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The hamstering that my mother and sister can do gets multiplied when they are together. They lie to my face with complete impunity. That attitude of twisting reality to save face and not accepting facts is disgusting. My dad is a blue pill beta bucks regarding women and made a lot of bad life choices. But I'd rather spend time living in his place than in my mother's.

[–]dontbethatguynow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is subjective, some peoples parents have great relationships

[–]Flamedevil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just go visit your parents guys.

[–]Embracing_Chaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your mom is a nice lady. But she's also a raging cuntmonster to him.

She doesn't respect him. He hasn't earned the respect. He might be a great guy, but she doesn't feel any tingles from him (at least not anymore). If your mom met an attractive enough man who provided the feelings she wants, let's just say at church, then she'd be picking up his dry cleaning and screwing him in the confession booth. This is all your dad's fault.

Good on you for trying to impart the way of the red pill to dear old Dad, but unfortunately he's still too plugged into the matrix.

[–]hidemyface1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If only my mom hadn't RP'd my dad

[–]Frontestgecko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This dynamic may be the case for most people but is not the dynamic in my family. It’s what attracted me to RP in the first place, its tenants always rang true to me. Unfortunately it makes me uncompromising in my relationships to the point that I even called off my engagement a few months before the wedding last year when I found out my fiancé traded the engagement ring I bought her for one with a bigger diamond.

Unfortunately too many men are all to willing to “meet in the middle” and fundamentally compromise themselves for the meme of “working on their marriage” which is newspeak for doing what the wife and the state tell you to do.

[–]Pestilence1911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My mom is a huuuuuge red pill.

"It just happened" = leaving the babydaddy of 2/3 her kids for the BBC. (He came home unexpectedly and found out,flipped shit and trashed the house, never understood why until later)

"You need to stop seeing her so she can find a man thats willing to step up and support and care for her" (Her response to me using a single mom as a fucktoy, and leading her on and having her bring me baked goods,and taking her out to dinner,ect ect) thats a FR in itself...she was the girl i practiced all the things i learned here. She sat on my lap amd talked for four hours about...i was ignoring her...and i just kept saying oh cool. Wow, and asking basic questions while browsing TRP....she....just kept talking.

"Believe survivors" (I laughed at her and asked "didnt you go to school for paralegal?. Not a fan of due process?" Blue screen. Didnt say anything for half an hour and then was an insufferable bitch for the rest of the day.

Also when i was home recently she noticed the transformation ive made into Chad, and would launch very, very percice attacks on my character infront of the family, in reffrence to my actions ten years ago (i was being bullied and went into beta-rage), and then when i explained things to her, her anwsers always came from a position of weakness, where im automatically the bad guy because i Dont "do the right thing"

I went to the grocery store with her, chatted up a few girls and got their numbers infront of her just to flex.

She drove irratically and was an insufferable bitch, called me a player because i got two numbers within 20mins, then i told her i did it to prove i could,

I love my mom, but when you raise your child to be a beta, amd give him a womans name, and then refuse to allow the father to have any part in my life because he "doesnt pay child support and went on to have more kids he doesnt pay for"

Your either going to get Punished Chad, or Elliott Rodger, thankfully i discovered this place.

(Both my dads babymommas are textbook alpha widows and its H A L A R I O U S to see how they act from a redpill perspective.)


Raising my little brother to be a beta, feeding him soy, making sure he has no masculine influinces in his life, amd keeping him on a steady diet of soy milk and fatty foods,

She had 4 kids with my dad and now has her BB. Her BB sleeps on the couch, bought her two houses and is completely fucked because its Canada (Chartier v Chartier) and he is fiscially responsible for kids that arent his, because he "stepped up, and became a real man"

They used to date in highschool but she left him because he didnt want kids....now he raises hers.

Cannot go 30 minutes without telling me some anecdotal story about how my dads a deadbeat, or a player, ect ect. Im not even kidding. 30 minutes.

My dad brought his new GF over for this past thanksgiving.....and guess who pulls out a love letter, written twenty years ago by my dad.

Alpha widows are fucking viscious.

[–]TheRealYoungChiv 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Bro why don't you shame her a little bit? It'll help her correct her behavior. My mom is wonderful but sometimes she needs to get checked a little bit

[–]Infla-mood[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have tried but unfortunately it doesn't get through. When confronted, she doubles down on the victim mentality or goes on the attack. I've had to let it go. It's my Dad's problem. I try to help him and he ends up resenting me for "being mean" to Mom and inadvertently pointing out his weakness. It's a lose-lose. Just gotta take the lesson with me to my own relationships.

[–]TheRealYoungChiv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shit that sounds awful. Good luck man

[–]tempolaca -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My mother actually was a nice women. My father, a psychotic alpha red-pilled fucker, pushed her to the limit until she ran away to her parents home. She always loved him though, she is likely alpha-widowed to my father. And my father, well he's a violent crazy son of a bitch that likely also catched oneitis on her because he can't stop talking about her even 30 years later. Crazy.

[–]TastlessMishMash -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Guess what? My mother is the real provider in our house.My dad ain't sitting on his ass all day either but my mom is the main moneymaker. Maybe get some perspective and realize that your fucked up views come from you having fucked up families and they are in no way universally right. Also,I'm a teen so don't give me shit for living with my parents.

[–]RememberU2U -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"My mom leeches off my dad then has the gall to criticize him."

Well the apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree there, does it?

[–]MindNukes -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Only betas live with their parents. Fuck that.