"Entertain me" (self.TheRedPill)

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[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (13 children)

Fat or out-of-shape and entitled to be so.

A conversation I had with literaly EVERY girl I have dated in recent memory:

Girl: I am chubby and I really want to do something about it.

Me: If you feel like that, join a gym and exercise.

Girl: Noooooo because I am lazy!

Me: ...

[–]aherne18 25 points26 points  (9 children)

A girlfriend I had two years ago (she was beautiful but CHUBBY)

Me: Lose some weight! You are getting fatter by the day...

Girl: (angry) You have already said this a thousand times I think.

Me: And you still haven't done anything about it...

Girl: (victim mode) Ok, I'll do that "for you"...

---------------------------------ONE WEEK AFTER------------------------

Me: Have you done anything about what we talked a week ago?

Girl: (victim mode & getting fatter) I'm now starving myself to suit your taste!

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Let's be fair here, it's her body and she can do what she wants with it (serious). Telling her to lose weight is a beta move, and she won't respond positively to it. We live in a free market sexual economy. The much better approach is to make it clear to her that you can do better and she needs to up her value to keep you. Show, don't tell. That's the heart of dread game, and it's half the reason the fitness industry is keeping it's head over water in today's obese America.

Telling the girl you already have to lose weight is a clear sign of lack of abundance. It's much easier to find a girl who's already in shape, if you have the value and confidence to get that girl. So asking your gf to lose weight is saying, "I can't do better than you, so I just want you to be better since I already have you."

Not saying she's not being a lazy, self-victimizing bitch. I'm saying you should think about the message you're actually sending to her when you say something like that.

[–]TRP_Lee_zard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude, that was deep! I love how this Sub keeps opening my eyes on small things.


[–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only to prove your point... someone else must have been a lot more succesful than I was considering she's no longer chubby now.

[–]soadaa 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And they won't stop asking to be validating asked am I fat? Does my stomach turn you off? Of course blue-pill me was just fine and just said no it's fine.

[–]aherne18 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She never asked me because she knew I'll be honest:)

[–]TheDialecticParadox 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My ex did the exact same thing. Told her she needed to lose weight. She lost a bit of weight from starving herself and then plateued and then shortly after gained it all back. Very frustrating that woman don't know nor care about a healthy lifestyle.

[–]Subcommandante_Khan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think it was Dante Nero who said date a girl who goes to the gym while she's skinny so you can be sure it's a character trait.

[–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You must understand that they are addicted: an addict will have a lifetime of struggle against the urge to get high.

[–]RedPill_Rorschach 10 points11 points  (1 child)

On the few dating websites I have cast lines, I explicitely state I enjoy training at the gym and will not accept fat/chubby or pseudo-average girls and that "if you're not sure if you're good enough, you probably are not".

Some chubbies try to guilt me by wrtiting me stuff like: "I'm an awesome woman and would have loved having fun with you, but apparently, I'm not good enough for you because I have some fat on me :( "

You're right. You're not good enough.

[–]Valentinus9171 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also this tactic could be used as misdirection. Since you put the woman in a state of inferiority, as we all know many women have body dismorphic disorder and believe they are unattractive. So they will come to you on their knees seeking your approval. Naturally when they are indeed unworthy you give them the response you mentioned, but if they are worthy you can spin it in your favor.

[–]letsgetrandy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sadly, it's not even laziness. All they have to do is stop shoveling carbs in their faces and adopt a healthier diet, which actually requires almost no work at all.

But the marketplace is such that they don't have to perform this minimal task in order to get a man's attention -- just make sure you're not the one giving it to her.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 197 points198 points  (75 children)

Moral of the story: Start making your own demands and stick to your guns.

You're advocating celibacy - most men aren't going to go for it.

This is happening in the West because women don't need men for financial support, but men need women for sex. So they call all the shots to the betas while Chad gets all the action.

Moral of the story: spin plates.

[–]marcoxy 94 points95 points  (51 children)

I don't understand this about the Red Pill: how is a guy (me for example) supposed to be capable to spin plates if the sexual market is so broken?

How am I supposed to spin plates if the girls have an inflated opinion of their SMV, they want to rule and enslave me and I'm totally not-compliant (also thanks to the RP)?

I am thankful to the Red Pill community because it helped me making my best interest by not committing to girls which were not worth committing to, but I find myself frustrated when I read "spin plates" and my SMV is too low for doing it.

I could spin some Ugly plate by lying and spending time and money but I don't think it is what you are suggesting.

And spinning plates would take time away from my SMV-building activities which will take years anyway for bringing good results...

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 118 points119 points  (5 children)

how is a guy (me for example) supposed to be capable to spin plates if the sexual market is so broken?

You cannot use "I don't like it" as evidence that "this is not true".

Look, we're giving the best advice we can, by telling you the truth about the sexual marketplace, the truth that women operate by but would hide from you. You are better off than you would be without this information.

But for men, there are no easy answers. Marriage will not get you sex (at least not for long, and at great expense), and casual lays are not easy to come by.

To answer your specific questions: you don't have to be hot to fuck chicks. Women respond to many many cues, pick what works for you. Develop your confidence, style. Lose weight, gain muscles. Approach women. Find a way to knock them off their pedestal while gaming them. Most men who develop these skills get the success they need. Most men who complain about it do not.

If you're sociable and meeting people, losing the flab, gaining some muscle and learning this stuff, that's enough. Any man without glaring disabilities (and even some with) can have at least moderate success with women.

[–]Rathadin 36 points37 points  (2 children)

No, I understand what he's getting at... even if he doesn't. The issue is, he doesn't even know what question to ask, much less the answer. His question is, "How am I supposed to balance the time constraints of what I need to do, vs. what I want to do, vs. what I have to do, to fuck women?"

The answer is complex, because it really amounts to regimenting your life on the level of an Elon Musk or Adm. Mike Mullen type of person, which requires incredible amounts of discipline and most people simply can't do it.

The root problem is that society in the Western world is fundamentally broken, and will likely remain so for some time. There's no getting around that. There's no sugar-coating it. You can't even deny it. I'm reminded of one of my favorite lecture series from The Teaching Company - Dr. Rick Roderick's "The Self Under Siege", and in it he quotes a movie, The Big Chill, where a priest asks a group of mourners at a funeral, "Isn't our common life together, and just being a good man enough to sustain us any more?"

And as Dr. Roderick says, "No. Its not. Not anymore its not." And he's right. The fundamental problem with our society is that we're currently undergoing a search for meaning. Women no longer find lifelong fulfilling meaning in being mothers, in being caretakers. Men no longer find meaning in being providers, in being protectors. We can't find that meaning because its been turned on its head and warped inside out.

Its a powerful lecture series. You can find it on YouTube, its well worth the watch. Only 8 lectures, around 6 hours.

But what's gnawing at the man questioning you, is that he's looking for a traditional cultural reservoir of meaning where none no longer exists. I imagine most of us are...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The question is impossible to answer because it boils down to "What values ought I choose?"

Only you can answer that one...

[–]Rathadin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think its more difficult for the self than any other time in our history, to find meaning, as opposed to say, 300 years ago.

The example Dr. Roderick used was the Tonkawa indians. I'm paraphrasing from memory, but here goes, "There were an array of things you could choose to be, but there were some things you could not choose to be, chief for instance, you couldn't exactly choose to be that."

[–]babybopp 59 points60 points  (25 children)

I like it when people ask genuine questions. You might want to use asktrp next time for this. The mistake you are making is not focusing on self improvement. You have this warped mentality that you can have a redpill mindset and while not practising the tenets it preaches. If you are a ballooning 300 lbs ,used to sit playing vidya games all day and you just discovered trp, you need to get off your lazy ass and start taking good care of your body, focus on self improvement financially, find goals and hobbies, lift and the rest of trp teachings. As you improve your smv repairs itself. Like bad credit. You have to do something about it to improve. The notion that trp is like a light switch any man can turn on in an instant is misguided and will leave you frustrated. It is a journey, a tough gauntlet where a better you is the prize, not a female.

[–]flat6turbo 28 points29 points  (24 children)

in my estimation for your average schlub in his early-mid 20s, it takes a solid 3-5 years of effort before RP principles really manifest themselves on a day to day basis and/or physically. for most people change takes time. there are of course dramatic exceptions in both directions. guys that will transform for minds and bodies in < 1 year, and guys who never really get it, ever.

[–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 8 points9 points  (1 child)

If feminism is a disease, the men with the worst infection will naturally need larger doses of TRP to cure themselves. Maybe multiple rounds of medication. But purple men with a light infection might only need weeks of treatment.

[–]ShounenEgo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that's assuming that they can take their heads out of their ass to look at another viewpoint.

[–]unicorn-carousel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

3 years is how long I've been on the path, with vigor, and I'd say I'm starting to be able to expect positive outcomes recently, with some regularity. I've had good lucky encounters since the beginning, but it's nice not having to work as much for better results. Red pill changed my life so hard, but kinda like a million miles from home with a million more left (Avicii, partied hard to that track last night).

I'd estimate at least another 2 years before my life is recognizably red. I'm still a beta office drone who isn't happy with my job (enlightened Loser), but despite being pretty good at compartmentalizing that mindset carries very much into my time outside the office. I have Alpha-nerd mindset naturally so it's only a problem of Judo, translating my value-generation laterally.

I think it could be faster if others in my life were red, and I'm starting to bring them and they tend to be in Sales departments, former military, actively involved in fitness, things like that. People in my primary profession and city as a whole are blue and feminist as fuck. I induce tingles very quickly, but often in low SMV girls who try to sabotage me, fucking sucks. Gotta get more finesse with them, rather than just ignoring their useless asses.

To be able to freely admit to being a red piller without fear of retribution via HR, etc, would be fucking heaven. I'd go so far to say, if your life isn't where you can be at a bar talking about the red pill, your life isn't red yet. Fuck fear in the pussy. Also, obviously you have to filter yourself sometimes, but hopefully you get my point.

Red pill is sexual strategy of course, but Chad doesn't give a fuck what HR thinks, does he? He just smokes and rides his motorcycle looking cool, drunk as shit, banging Katie while Billy is at work following those rules. Even if you prefer more responsible endeavors, you need the same freedom to be cool as shit and take as many tools away from the crabs as possible, ideally avoiding crabs all together. Chad decides what's reasonable for himself and that gives tingles like woah, so implementing these things is important for RP but takes substantial time and energy. Worth it.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Charm the fat girls, be nice to them, make them think they just might have a chance with you. Don't ignore them, be affable and charming, win friends. Yes they are useless to you sexually, probably professionally as well, but they can fuck you up if they feel spurned, one sexual harassment accusation and you're fucked. Speak to everyone beneath you the same way, like they are a relatively attractive girl that you don't want to fuck, but might if you got drunk enough.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours -1 points0 points  (2 children)

During the time your fat, boring, and weak, but building muscle, losing fat and gaining experience, you'll still want to get laid.

Fuck what you can while you learn, and protect yourself from fathering kids. So if you can fuck fat out homely girls, do it. It's part of building experience and gaining confidence. You don't have to be celibate, you can fuck 3s and 4s while you fix yourself.

[–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I tried to fuck below my minimum attractiveness, but my dick refuses to play along when a chubby bitch lays spread wide open in my bed.

I need to feel attracted for things to work. Although pussy starvation and a rather dark room helps a lot.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They feel similar in the dark, as long as they aren't too big, then it's like fucking a mattress or sofa.

[–]pmmedenver 11 points12 points  (1 child)

1) ALWAYS be increasing your SMV as much as possible: read smart books all the time, lift weights, study game and plan a good career. Learn to love the journey. You'll get there eventually.

2) Honestly its a numbers game. I've digged through hundreds of girls and I finally found a smart girl with a very submissive, very highly sexual, open relationship attitude. I roped her in with good relationship game and now shes only dating me because she fell in love with my personality and i'm off still playing the field. When you find a good girl play your cards right and keep her around. Despite what RP may say, good girls do exist, just don't be an idiot and try to wife them or get oneitis. If your girl is always horny around you it can actually flip the tables, now SHE'S the one begging for sex while I have this "yeah i'll think about it" attitude.

[–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's me and my GF. She's always begging for it and I don't always indulge.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Escorts. If you're worried about being caught visit a country or state where it's legal, get your fix while you raise your smv but raising your smv shouldn't just be about getting pussy. Wise guys raise themselves up and in doing so they raise their own smv.

[–]boomerbux 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Exactly. In fact, I bet most of the escorts (especially ones who fancy themselves as 'sugar babies', not escorts (holy hamstering Batman)) are the same girls most beta guys are lusting after. these girls are riding the cc with Chad, but Chad doesn't give them any money. They figure, well if I am going to sleep with beta Bob, I might as well get paid for it.

[–]boomerbux 6 points7 points  (2 children)

More than one Latina has told me their mothers gave them this advice: You are going to have sex, so you can do it for free, or get paid for it. Why give it away for free?

[–]kinklianekoff 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Which is true, but if they are smart about it it should be commitment and steady flow of resources, not once-off cash transactions. Terrible advice for women living in poor conditions.

[–]boomerbux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

excellent point, and in fact the women who said this to me were all from lower class backgrounds as you can imagine.

[–]TRPShill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Think about how much looks vs personality matters for you when it comes to assessing spending a time with girl. The ratio is about the opposite for a woman. Heartiste has laid out ample evidence that dominance is MUCH more important than looks. I AM NOT SAYING that looks dont help you, a 6' 2 ripped chad is the ideal for sure, and it will help. But good health, some muscles, and charisma + dominance can take care of any ugly manlet. Men are simply less aesthetically pleasing than women period. Dumb ass male solopsism makes us think she values looks as much as you, she does not.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't understand this about the Red Pill: how is a guy (me for example) supposed to be capable to spin plates if the sexual market is so broken?

Because within TRP you have tools at your disposal that are hidden from the vast majority of society. You have the playbook on how to get into the top 20%. Merely making an effort to get there puts you far ahead of most as it is.

It's not actually that hard to get into the top 20%, unless you're starting with a massive handicap.

[–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have a higher SMV than the plate and don't commit. That's it basically. Of course you have to practice that a lot.

[–]asktrpquestion34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's harsh. If you have a low SMV, you'll only be able to get girls with a low SMV. That may mean ugly and fat women. If you want to have sex, that's what you have to do.

Or raise your SMV. Spinning plates becomes easier with a higher SMV, and you only benefit by bettering yourself. What are you missing out on as you build yourself? Probably women you don't even want to attract to begin with. So raise your SMV.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are winners and there are losers, raise your SMV or MGTOW. Market places are amoral

[–]reigorius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The market is not broken. It's taking on a victim role by saying that.

So to counter their high demands in the meantime you are improving your own value: lie, just spin the story they want to hear. Be vague about stuff you want to hide. We're plate spinners anyway. Don't start spinning if the plate is not fuckable. Don't bother opening one that gives of an air of inflated opinion or better, just rudely bring them back to reality.

You got to have some basic attractiveness for this to work. Girls here in The Netherlands are just as picky in SMV based on attractions, so you get what you project visually. Set strong boundaries on spending money (50/50, simple first dates, no dinners or other fancy stuff) and let them do the legwork (travelling to you, cooking, massage).

Make them work for you, but lead all the way.

[–]scarletspider3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When your busy raising your SMV chicks will start to compete for your attention. Of course that doesn't mean you shouldn't pull the trigger every now and then.

[–]Subcommandante_Khan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Build your real market value first.

[–]shhRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand this about the Red Pill: how is a guy (me for example) supposed to be capable to spin plates if the sexual market is so broken?

Good question.

Women still desire to have sex. They still want the guys they want (see: alpha male, chad thundercock, all the other terms on here) - so do your best to be that guy. Not EVERY girl is fat. Simply be so selective as to not even consider chubby girls. Keep improving your SMV, game, confidence, whatever until you start pulling the prettier girls. Work on your career, hobbies, etc. Plenty of posts here for doing just that.

The average of American girls is WAYYY down, but the top 5-10% are still incredibly attractive.

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[–]DwightWolftail 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Man this is MGTOW thinking . We need sex . At least while young . I can't bring myself to disagree with you though ...

[–]csehszlovakze 18 points18 points [recovered]

MGTOW still doesn't equal celibacy... it equals no legal entanglements with women (e.g. marriage).

[–]Squeezymypenisy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That seems to be a split opinion. Because what you just described is redpill thinking. Monk mode is usually celibacy, but mgtow seems to be multiple different things.

[–]csehszlovakze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think TRP advocates for celibacy unless temporary (a.k.a. monk mode), while MGTOW has no problems with that either, but it's not a requirement. MGTOW also "allows" children only through surrogacy (so you're the only legal parent), and cohabitation depends on laws but usually it's a disqualifier too.

[–]CynicsChoice 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When I was younger, I concluded that the only thing that made life worth all the suffering was the feeling of being in love. It just magically made everything better. It seemed so qualitatively above every other sensation that only it could account for the endless shittiness of existence.

After finding TRP I realized this was impossible. The mechanics of the world just do not allow you to attain that goal by chasing it. Of course everything will seem like a burden if it's only an empty means to an end!

Women like men who are GOOD AT LIFE. That's all there is to it. If you see the things you need to do as a burden, you do not have a good view of what it means to be alive. Live well, have an excess of happiness, and women will come for it. If you chase women and try to siphon happiness from catching them, you'll lose sight of yourself, stagnate, and wither.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that being in love is a great feeling. After trp i am not falling in love stupidly anymore. It protects you from those people that abuse that feeling. Gives you more control over yourself by explaining your feelings and helping you make better(for you) decisions

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

while they stay just as shitty as ever. We are burdening ourselves with the weight entirely.

So do it for yourself... don't burden yourself with them, for they are as they are. Make sure you own what you build, and don't sign a contract promising to give away half of it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a great comment, definitely a post-worthy topic, but I think the crux of it is that we're going for hotter girls with better attitudes, and one way we do that is by having leverage in the relationship via better looks and alpha traits. If we were advocating getting way more attractive and continuing our old sexual habits, then you'd be 100% right, but truthfully we're leaving behind our exs who took us for granted and joining the top 20%. We're demanding more of ourselves so that we have the leverage to demand more from our partners. We're neither improving or worsening the dating conditions for women out there, we're just taking a bigger slice of the pie.

The bigger truth is, there is no top 20%, it's just that about 20% of guys have the balls to lead today. Women gained an advantage on the sexual market place that they haven't had in thousands of years of human history, and it's because society was feminized. If TRP could reach another 20% of men, and they all swallowed the pill and successfully became alphas, then we'd be looking at a top 40%. Women in true patriarchal societies followed and respected nearly all men (often to their own detriment), because nearly all the men had a sense of self-worth.

So really we're not catering to their demands, we're using their desires to build leverage so we can demand more.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have to get better and continue to raise the bar and continue to develop ourselves into alphas while they stay just as shitty as ever.

The self-improvement advocated here transcends doing it "just for women". Being fit, educated, successful, charismatic and having worthwhile interests and hobbies is worth it even if we completely discount female attention from the equation.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is happening in the West because women don't need men for financial support, but men need women for sex.

Very interesting take on this that seems to integrate AF/BB with both the results of feminism and the high male sex-drive. An excellent piece of knowledge for every TRPers arsenal.

[–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The sexual marketplace is still subject to economic principles. A surplus of male sex drive gives women choosing power. Short of another World War that would decimate the male population, this is how it's going to be.

[–]drallcom3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Society was very beta friendly for a reason for many centuries. It's simply the most productive state. There will always be plenty of men (80%) who will and have to rely on resources to get sex. If you make that investment a secure one you have a productive society.

But yeah, currently you have to increase your SMV enough (not that hard) to be able to spin plates.

[–]DoubleA12 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I'm a noob, what does spin plates mean?

[–]TRPShill 20 points21 points  (3 children)

stop posting and read the sidebar. Then go read some Heartiste. Then go read some Illimitable men. Marinate for at least a month. Then post.

[–]disgruntledearthling 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And at least read the rational male archives... yes, all of them, including the comments sections

[–]ChadJr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Isn't heartsite run by some white supremacy guy now ?

[–]TRPShill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Acknowledging that the races are different does not mean saying one is superior to the other. If you arent a little racist you're a cuck.

Additionally, regardless of how much you enjoy your all races are the same narrative, Heartiste has great game advice, even after the ownership change

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

This is why I keep going back and forth with MGTOW.. Now that I'm in my 30's I'm just not seeing the point in putting forth the effort anymore..

Every relationship has the same cycle..





[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

just live the first 6 weeks-6 months of excitement and pull it when you get bored

[–]foresculpt 3 points4 points  (1 child)


I have a clear rule from the start which low and behold I have to repeat all the time, there is no arguing in my relationships especially no whining, raise concerns but no arguing, I get the final say. "and like with the genie you can't say you're not arguing as your argument, I define it and I am a fair genie"

There seems to be a myth that post argument sex is a plus so women try that shittiest, no it's an attempt at conditioning you into submitting into the idea that arguing once can lead to anything other than more arguing with women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is why it's followed with breakup

[–]letsgetrandy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Every relationship has the same cycle..

Have you considered that the one common element in all your relationships has been you?

[–]1Shyrk 33 points34 points  (3 children)

It's like dating an NPC.

I laughed entirely too hard at this.

[–]siriusisness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too, its so perfectly succinct

[–]Exogyra_Ponderosa 69 points70 points  (31 children)

Don't expect more than sex from women and you won't be disappointed.

Get to the top 20% and wait it out. Things won't be like this forever, the pendulum always swings back.

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[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Pay no attention to the small-minded morons who think that internet points even matter. They feel good about "winning" an internet argument, and go right on making the same errors they always have.

Just focus on having discussions with the members who bring value of their own to the conversation. The advice you've given about women also applies to other aspects of life.

Embrace those who are useful, disregard those who are useless.

[–]exceptionalEBOLA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of replies not really understanding the idea of your post.

I think your main issue is that you will always be higher value than your partner, this is the reality of a mans life. The fact that you have to work harder is 100% true. The point is, are you going to sacrifice your own well being to change this about the relationship game? By expecting more from females and not getting any? No one is really willing to do that.

So you have two choices:

1) Raise your SMV to the point where you are attractive to most women, and have your pick. This has the added benefit of now, regardless of women, you are a successful, well dressed, well groomed, well read man.

2) Expect shit from women they will never give you, and try to reach that "historical milestone"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then don't get married.

Also you don't do all this effort to get women. All effort is for your self improvement and enjoyment period. Fuck all else. Make yourself happy, that will increase your SMV, the women will follow.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (16 children)

not to argue... I never heard this. Do you mind explaining how?

[–]rosarywan 20 points21 points  (11 children)

Not the guy you're responding to, but to quote myself from an earlier post:

This is one theory about it, but hear the devil's advocate of this point-- one or two generations of tired betas/bloopers who haven't gotten pussy, seen RP truths after being divorce raped, etc. and suddenly feminism loses a lot of steam with the general public. This may be entirely wrong, though, since a lot of bloopers believe in this feminist horseshit in a diehard way, but it's plausible that things will go this way with an increasing number of angry, blue-balled betas tired of whacking it all day.

"this way" referring to a society that abandons feminism and goes back to traditional RP roots. Many blue-pill societies in the past, however, usually went back after their society collapsed due to wars or being conquered.

Edit: In other words, it's a bit harder to predict what will happen in this iteration, because globalism makes it less likely that society will crumble like it used to-- we're more likely to see a pure cultural shift as opposed to a culture shift that is a result of external factors (like war).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I like it. BTW, what is an example of a blue pill society in the past?

[–]rosarywan 8 points9 points  (3 children)

One example is Rome prior to its fall-- have a look at how hypergamous women back then were.

[–]TheWaterTemple 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yup, coddled masses entitled to free entertainment and free food. Modern welfare states aren't far behind.

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Women in late Rome and women today are eerily similar (they were not always so in the intervening years. Yes, AWALT, but women are constained by what is acceptable by society to behave better than they do).

[–]krakosia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any material establishing the blue pillness of Rome?

[–]paydenbts 2 points3 points  (1 child)

ye no shit, Islam is coming.

[–]Steve_Wiener 0 points1 point  (1 child)

As much as I want this to be true, wouldn't it happen in other countries that are more decayed from feminism first, such as the Scandinavian countries?

[–]punis1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should read Archeofuturism by Guillaume Faye, it talks at length about the inevitable demise of civilisations, what will happen to ours and a possible aftermath. The author is sometimes a bit extreme on his "far right" ideologies but if you can ignore those, it's really well written. Globalism will not save our civilisation, it will just exacerbate the fallout because it will happen at a global scale.

[–]007700 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This is occult stuff. Whoever wants to know pm me.

[–]Bearhardy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know living in a tird world, poverty struck, corrupted, decading and totally lacking of morals country and hearing many people , specially older people, say this I wonder if by the time the pendulum swings back I'm gonna be bones and ashes

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[–]i_forget_my_userids 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Use a man for whatever you need out of him. There are plenty out there willing to give you whatever you want. You probably won't be as sexually attracted to someone so weak, though.

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[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Must suck at sex. The ones that don't are riddled w/ STD's so you obviously need a condom, which makes sex as fun as watching paint try.....

At this point, sex is just jerking yourself off w/ a woman's body...

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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Women are in a "buyer's market" (i.e. men are cheap) in the US and other Western countries for various reasons.

Roosh talks about this phenomenon a bit in his article: Men Are Nothing More Than Clowns To The Modern Woman.

I wrote a bit about why American women are so demanding in this submission: Why are attractive American women are so picky compared to other attractive women around the world?

If you're stuck in one of these countries, your only choices are either to leave or to push your value higher. Almost everything on your list can be seen as motivation to become a higher-status and higher-value man.

Going through your list:

  • No hobbies or talents

For a plate, I don't give a crap what hobbies or talents she has.

For a LTR it is more important, partially to get her off my back so I can do my own thing and partially because she'll be more interesting to be around.

The exception here is if her hobbies include massage or fitness or something else that might directly benefit me.

  • Expect you to carry the conversation

Women want high-value men who are leaders and leaders are the ones that initiate and move the conversation forward when it suits them.

  • Expect you to be the more successful one. Often incredibly disproportionately. Usually while they have some lame-ass job like stirring coffee at Starbucks. The hypocrisy.

Not hypocrisy, but hypergamy. The man needs to be higher-status than the woman for her to be attracted. The prettier she is (or the thirstier the men), the higher the status gap needs to be.

  • Fat or out-of-shape and entitled to be so. You can't have an opinion on the matter.

High-value men shouldn't have an opinion, instead they should have an action. Next.

  • Expect you to be a never ending source of entertainment. Funny, witty, clever, original. Includes but not limited to taking them out on dates to keep them entertained and keep them from getting bored.

High-value men are humorous, while women have a sense of humor to appreciate how funny they are. Christopher Hitchens goes into why women usually aren't very funny.

A high value man should also be leading an interesting life, so it should be relatively easy to invite a woman along for the ride.

  • High number of partners, but now many expect you to wine and dine them to get it.

Again, next.

  • Expect you to know how to cook for them

A high-value man, or at least a man good at attracting women, will probably know how to whip-up at least some basic dishes. Standard way to get a woman to come over is to offer to cook dinner together.

  • Expect you to sexually impress them

Again, a high-value man will be impressive in this area.

[–]hookers 17 points18 points  (2 children)

High-value men shouldn't have an opinion, instead they should have an action. Next.

Love this sentiment. This is a succinct expression of what this sub is about.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Had an older man tell me once about women "Never explain yourself. I've never felt the need to."

This goes hand-in-hand with this point. Stating an opinion explains yourself on a matter. NEXTing, an action, neither explains or enters anyone's frame. Also adds a bit of mystery.

[–]boomerbux 44 points45 points  (5 children)

This is bang on. I recall when I was in my 20's and still desperately trying to pick up women in bars, the expectation they had was that you would do a stand up comedy routine improvised on the spot, yet also be dark and mysterious, be a bad boy and also a super nice guy with a heart of gold, have neck tattoos and a good job. Fucking ridiculous.

[–]reigorius 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lol, neck tattoo's. Ain't women just great? Thanks for the laugh.

[–]swifterrr 1 points1 points [recovered]

And what would be the right way to go about it?

[–]boomerbux 1 point2 points  (0 children)

be Leonardo di Caprio. Nothing else measures up.

[–]scarletspider3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is why we need to knock chicks off of their pedestal on our way up. Chicks are just not used to rejection like men are and will turn into a heartbroken teenager when turned down. Make a chick conform to your standards and if she doesn't then next her. If more guys had standards then chicks wouldn't be as low in quality as they are now.

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Sadly, simply sticking to your guns will not work. There is always a bigger badder man that can make a woman's panties wet. I have personally seen this. You don't pay, you don't play. The market is too heavily in their favor.

I am in the anger phase, and will be for a long time. I agree with you. I actually used the dance monkey dance example in a post not too far back. I agree with you. I feel like a buffoon, keeping them entertained. To me, they are nothing more than a wet warm hole. As another sage member here described, he liked demolishing their shit tests. I tried to take on the same mentality. I have 1 plate spinning (not sure if I can technically call it that), and I kick her ass out when she acts up. She tries to go no contact and then buckles, and comes over for dick. Simply not caring has done wonders for me.

Anyways, I agree with you. These women are more like prepubescent girls incapable of worldly tasks.

[–]Exogyra_Ponderosa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

agreed, true "alphas" are never gonna stick around.

[–]neocelt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. They are the most responsible teenager in the house.

[–]LateralThinkerer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree with most of the comments, but I'm going to throw in one more thing: Selection bias.

If you're drawing from dating apps, online dating sites etc. then you're implicitly reading from a group that is at least relying on profiles rather than presence to achieve sexual/social circulation. Further, it's very likely that the hive mind drives them to write very similar profiles...because they want to be the same as everyone else. Many of the women I've dated from dating sites tell me the first thing they do is set up a bogus "male" account to see what everyone else is writing.

Find the black swans - the ones with different profiles, different and definitive statements about themselves and you might get somewhere but the rest will just be dull, self-entitled and homogeneous cannon-fodder.

[–]KKP4 12 points13 points  (2 children)

More than half of the points you listed applies to most women in my country (southern EU), plus it perfectly describes my last 2 ex LTR (1 year & 2 years). I had at least three hobbies at the time (Music production, DJing, skateboarding) while having a regular job and I had to take care of my dying mother and keeping my father's psychological health in check and all she did was bitch and moan about how I'm not entertaining her enough. Meanwhile she did absolutely nothing except study and watch series and bullshit youtube videos.

[–]obama_loves_nsa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And THIS is why I married a girl from Eastern Europe.

Boom. I felt like spreading my seed and settling down finally but made DAMN SURE it wasn't going to be an American psycho bitch with no talents whatsoever.

Plus eastern euros are skinnier naturally, healthier and they don't even blink when you expect them to have the house cleaned and meals prepared daily. In fact they enjoy it.

[–]whisky1111 11 points12 points  (0 children)

American women are like fast food, overpriced for what it it and ultimately bad for you.

[–]1AmlanceJockey 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Girls don't want a guy who is funny. They want a guy that makes them laugh.

The confident jerkboy who compares her face to a poodle makes her laugh. Even though its not "funny". The amateur stand up comedian that orbits her is funny, but she doesn't wanna fuck him.

[–]Zchavago 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Agreed. That's also why there are so many overweight girls.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Welcome to why, if I marry, it'll be with a younger foreign bride.


You can find some real gems on this blog; I used to read it pretty religiously a few years ago when I first swallowed the pill myself but was having problems digesting it.

Important!!!*: Just remember, these women aren't unicorns. AWALT. If you bring them over and let them, they will turn into and be no different than these entitled American women we deal with daily. You MUST maintain frame no matter what, with any woman. That's the lesson we are all here to learn.

[–]funATL 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Good post. I share your thoughts on most American women. I think the problem is a general lack of self-worth on both sides, men and women in the Western world.

Men who lack self-worth feel a need to fuck as many women as possible and are desperate to do so. Men who have high self-worth don't feel this way. They don't pursue so desperately and enjoy the process, not worried about failure.

Women who lack self-worth feel a need to get as many male orbiters as possible without putting forth her own energy. This expands her ego and makes her feel worthy. Women who have high self-worth don't feel this way. They enjoy putting energy into relationships and value their closest relationships with men and women.

[–]MajorStyles 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"If you are a woman and don't know how to cook, clean, be a good, loving wife, or want many children, you are worthless."

THIS. You cannot negotiate on these points. It's this or nothing.

[–]charlesbukowksi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is an example of prey telling you how to be a hunter. They don't need any of that. Women need a constant, decisive man who can countervail their inconstant indecisive prattle. They want someone who can take the role their father played in childhood. A patriarch.

Women are good at being entitled, and surprisingly that gets you far in life. Believe you wear a crown and see how many treat you like a King. Back that up with determination and planning and you'll be a force to be reckoned with. But the latter isn't necessary for the height of female ambition.

[–]The_Junto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Had a Tinder girl say this to me via text the other day. Back in my beta days whenever I received this message I froze up and actually tried to think of something original and creative to say. Now I say "not my job" and let the Betas be her dancing monkey. This is why I envy women. I wish I could have an army of desperate, obedient pussies to send me funny gifs and tell me ridiculous stories whenever I feel a bit bored. Guess I need to lift more, then I can build an army of fat bitch orbiters to "entertain" me while I fuck the tens.

[–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I realized and started to become disgusted with this about 2 years ago, in online dating. And yeah, I always think of it as "silly man, entertain royal me". Anytime I see "make me laugh and I'm yours", I gag thinking about the men who are going to try to be funny, thinking in the beta-brain how THAT is the way to her pussy. Funny (~pun) thing is, it actually can be, but not because you're supposed to be a performing chimp. It's part of DGAF, agree&amplify, etc. But don't ever dance on command.

[–]Spiral-knight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know what demographic of women, anywhere on earth can be counted on to not pull these stunts/obey their genetics?

whores. Some time ago an older poster made a compelling argument for the use of paid sex

[–]BloodRoseTRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It isn't like this in other countries, the tables are turned there.

On the contrary, it is like this. Only they don't blatantly state it and express it in other more subtle ways. I find that the more "liberal" the country, the more likely the women will straight up act entitled, and the more likely the men will bow their heads and put up with it.

[–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It isn't like this in other countries, the tables are turned there. Women have to also prove themselves worthy of marriage. If you are a woman and don't know how to cook, clean, be a good, loving wife, or want many children, you are worthless.

In what country that a modern person would want to live in, is this so, exactly as you've stated. And by this, I mean without technological or cultural "slumming". I personally don't particularly care for Bedouin women.

I am not waiting for OP to provide anything that actually is meaningful in response.

[–]rrealnigga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does seem like they basically bring their appearance and vaginas. You could argue that their "game" is simply different, it relies mainly on physical attractiveness because that's what men like. Stop talking about women like they are a different creature that evolved on its own, men and women are the same thing. Whatever is in women will have its reflection in men. In this case, women don't need to bring much to the table because men don't require them to, they only require their tits/ass/vagina.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's supply and demand. Dating sites have way more thirsty betas than women so therefore, women get lazy and the bitchiness comes out (why bother being nice when there's six other guys worshiping her?).

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is generally true. Not for all of them, but I find even with the most interesting women, the best thing they bring to me s a good/ submissive attitude. Without that, everything else is a lost cause. But a lot of women.... well, attitude is all they have.

[–]br0wnnote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do people get the dating apps?! Every reason you've listed as a bullet point fits the waste of space that is a women on these...

Dating apps are filled with spoiled lazy brats. Can you find an occasional motivated, smart, successful women on them? Maybe, I'd rather play the lottery.

Delete the dating apps. Do everything you can do to become a better man, along the way there will be plenty of women.

Moral of my story: Most women remain lazy, childish and ask, what can the world offer me. This is Tinder women.

[–]Purecorrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women are losers. They have to sit down to pee and bleed every month for no reason.

~Patice O'Neal

This is how I Pep-talk myself when I have doubts about myself for whatever fucking reason. Out of the dozen or so different girls I went out with last year there was only one girl that did anything mildly interesting. It's too bad she was only doing it to cope for shit I probably don't know about. And quit a stable job to do so yup...

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  • Fat or out-of-shape and entitled to be so. You can't have an opinion on the matter and expecting you to be athletic with six-pack abs.

[–]killxorxbexkilled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No hobbies or talents - I've found this to be pretty damn common. I've met very few women who were legitimately into anything beyond a shallow interest in an activity they picked up from a boyfriend along the way.

Expect you to carry the conversation - If I'm carrying the conversation that means she is short on intelligence and/or social skills. Next!

Expect you to be the more successful one. Often incredibly disproportionately. Usually while they have some lame-ass job like stirring coffee at Starbucks. The hypocrisy. - The man earning more than the woman has been the common social hierarchy for as long as I know. If I'm just fucking some girl on the side I could care less what she earns because she isn't getting anything from me except dick.

Fat or out-of-shape and entitled to be so. You can't have an opinion on the matter. - Can't have an opinion? Says who? I know what you mean though...this trend of "body acceptance" has allowed women to get away with being fat without having to succumb to social shaming (very effective btw). I say bring back the fat joke to mainstream USA and fuck their feelings.

Expect you to be a never ending source of entertainment. Funny, witty, clever, original. Includes but not limited to taking them out on dates to keep them entertained and keep them from getting bored.

  • These bitches can expect whatever they want but they get what I give them (which just so happens to be funny, witty, clever, and original), and if that's not good enough they can take a walk.

High number of partners, but now many expect you to wine and dine them to get it. - Haven't encountered this. In fact, I've found that girls these days are easier than ever (young and old alike). I can usually get xxx pics within a day of texting some girl

Expect you to know how to cook for them - The worlds greatest chefs are all men so...ha ha. But seriously no girl has ever expected me to cook (the expectation, I think, was for me to take her out and buy dinner)

Expect you to sexually impress them - No shit. Don't you expect the same?

[–]1kick6 0 points1 point  (0 children)


This is the way things are, and always have been.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Upvote for comparing modern girls to NPC's. Hilarious.

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"Sticking to your guns" is validating her frame. Responding to "you need to be funny" with "let's talk about what you need to be/your standards/etc." is a conversations that acknowledges her premise.

I'd prefer to just laugh in her face because that's dumb. Then we can start talking about something else.

[–]Money_Bags97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of you saying you wish you have found TRP at 18 (like me) just letting you know IT SUCKS.

Girls my age and younger don't care about having a strong, masculine, rock to lean on. They legitimately want a guy who wines and dines them, talks for hours about mindless bullshit, because that's the Disney fairytale they've been raised to want. They want a guy who's silly, and makes them the center of their universe. Complete opposite of what TRP says.

It's like the whole dynamic flips at a certain age. They haven't had a chance to explore.

I don't know what the fuck I'm trying to say maybe I just experienced an anomaly.

[–]DumpmanDumpman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The beta boys here try too hard to please women. It has never been an issue for me because I have been great with the ladies all my life and am also very successful. Anybody who bends over backwards for a woman is a fool.

[–]1DaBaulz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is true if your low value or chasing the wrong women.

Every woman is an entertaining dancing monkey for a special guy she dreams she can get. If the above is happening to you, your just not that guy yet.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm going 'speed dating' in a couple weeks. Figured I'd give it a shot. And because IDGAF about the outcome, I fully intend to run an experiment, and probe these broads (30-40) about what they do.

Not asking about their job, but what they DO with their life. Like cross country skiing, playing an instrument in a band, running a dungeons and dragons game, Army reserve (National Guard for y'all Americans), political volunteerism... Whatever.

I fully expect these broads' interests will end at eating dinner, drinking with friends, or the tv shows they watch. Or spoiling their kids (single moms are sadly allowed into speed dating).

I expect I'll meet nothing but BASIC BITCHES. Or as Roussey calls 'em, "do nothing bitches".

On the off chance I meet a woman who actually DOES something, I'll give her a shot.

[–]albino_red_head -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Being funny in a cocky way, ripe with sexual innuendos is a great way to attract the women you want. If they're demanding it, they probably have felt the tingle before. I recommend learning some cocky/funny behaviors.

[–]unicorn-carousel -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A really common thing I see is "You MUST be funny!", "Make me laugh", "Funny guys only!" in girls' bios.

LMAO, you read bios. They get the first laugh right there. Expect [...], but guys will do it because they're tired of humping their pillow. Who cares what they expect, just be yourself bro. Chad wouldn't get pissed because chicks want guys to be dancing monkeys, would he? Economics agrees it's good to get as much as possible for as little as possible, yea? I get where you're coming from, but so what? Others have given good responses, but really, who gives a shit what she says?

In practice: swipe right and carry on, screen matches over a drink or a jog (that's a great date, btw).