Red Pill TheoryThe Bitch Management Hierarchy study guide. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardWhisper

So some dumbass in /r/asktrp just got dumped after playing CaptainSaveAHo, and now Professor Whisper has to call school back into session, because some of y'all haven't done the basic reading.

This is HumanSockPuppet's Bitch Management Heirarchy.

It is not optional. It is required reading.

Understand the four ranks.

  • Level 0: One-Night Stand
  • Level 1: Plate
  • Level 2: Friends with Benefits.
  • Level 3: Significant Other -or- Girlfriend.

Understand the principles of promoting and demoting.

Understand that no sexual act ever leads to promotion. Sexual acts are simply required to keep a woman from getting demoted.

Understand that once a woman has been demoted, she can never be promoted again.

Understand that there is no rank 4. A woman cannot be worthy of marriage, because marriage has been turned into a deal that no human being could possibly be worthy of.

Now we need some additional supplemental material, because apparently, this isn't enough to stop some men from giving women things they haven't earned.

The ranks are distinguished by nature, not just degree, as follows:

  • Rank 0 is the rank of sex.
  • Rank 1 is the rank of repeated contact.
  • Rank 2 is the rank of non-sexual social time.
  • Rank 3 is the rank of emotional investment.

These are what a woman gets by being promoted to each rank.

  • At rank 0, she gets to have sex with you.
  • At rank 1, she gets to see you again.
  • At rank 2, she gets to hang out with you, not just for the purpose of fucking.
  • At rank 3, she gets to be invested in and cared about.

The Bitch Management Hierarchy also has maximum ranks.

There are women who are not worthy of the distinguishing feature of each rank, by virtue of their history. This is distinct from demotion, which is triggered by their behaviour with you... this is about their behaviour ever.

Women who are not worthy of sex (rank 0):

  • Women who do not maintain their bodies in an attractive (to you) state.
  • Women who do not protect themselves and their partners from sexual diseases.

Women who are not worthy of repeated contact (rank 1):

  • Women who do not make any effort to ensure your sexual pleasure (selfish in bed).
  • Women who are controlling or try to police your contact with other women.
  • Women whom you didn't enjoy your first encounter with for any reason having to do with her.
  • Women who withhold sex to try to get promoted.

Women who are not worthy of social time (rank 2):

  • Single mothers.
  • Women who are embarrassing to be seen with (no class, don't know how to act in public, dresses like a slob).
  • Women who are not exclusive to you.

Women who are not worthy of emotional investment (rank 3):

  • Women who have cheated, ever. Even with you.
  • Women who are disobedient, or refuse sex.

This is not an exhaustive list.


Because we're in remedial mode. Like the clueless waif who set me off on this rant, many of you do not value yourselves, and do not value your time and investment. You give it away too cheaply, to the first women who wets your penis or follows your lead.

If you do not value yourself no one else will. And understanding the Bitch Management Hierarchy is the first step on the road to recovery. The key principle is treat her sex as low-value, and your attention as high-value. If you are coming from a position of sexual scarcity, you must vigorously police yourself against the tendency to overvalue sex.

Hard and fast rules will help you do this.


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[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 129 points130 points  (15 children)

Good reason why this is on the sidebar - When lonely guys are desperate to be in a relationship, they get everything backwards. They chase women and fuck everything up.

Patrice O'Neal advised to have her start out in the mailroom; never just hand her the CEO role.

HumanSockPuppet captures that sentiment perfectly here: "When you WANT a LTR too badly, you place your focus on the idea of having a relationship instead of evaluating the girl. You become fixated on your fantasy relationship and selectively ignore the things happening right in front of you: her deep character flaws, her indiscretions, and the red flags.

"You must regard women as candidates applying for the job of being your girlfriend – a supporter, a lover, a comfort away from the everyday battles. Don't just hire a bitch because you want the position filled. Make sure you vet your candidates fiercely and hire the right girl for the job."

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 107 points108 points  (12 children)

Men must understand that WE are the valuable half of a relationship.

We are the designers, the workers, the innovators, the protectors. Forty-thousand years of our species' dominance on the planet is built upon our efforts.

Without men, our species returns to the muck, ill-equipped for survival in a harsh and unfettered world. We are the sex that battles against chaos. WE ARE ORDER.

A bitch's job is just to make more men.

Women have become accustomed to the ease and fairness of society. They believe ease and fairness are inherent properties of the universe. No. Ease and fairness are extracted forcibly from nature by winning in battle against it with blood, and sweat, and tears, and time.

So when a bitch starts acting like she's entitled to the ease and fairness that you fought to win, why are you just handing it away?

Your time is precious. And anything that you spent your time to earn is also precious. If your life is together, your body is strong, your mind is acute, and your assets secure, then your worth is already proven. If someone wants a piece of what you have, they don't get it for free. They must earn your love and appreciation by first offering theirs.

Hold up a hoop, set it on fire, and command her to jump.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 26 points27 points  (8 children)

We are the designers, the workers, the innovators, the protectors. Forty-thousand years of our species' dominance on the planet is built upon our efforts.

The devaluation of all things masculine is a recent invention. A modern contrivance. But it doesn't change the reality, the necessity of masculinity to human civilization and modern society.

As men, they want you to play their game by turning your back on your own inner nature. To turn your back on your own inner strength. It allows the weak to control you, have power. And if you refuse to go along with it, they try to shame you. It is a fool's game. The only way to win, is not to play.

[–]GuidoBandito 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Could this be why (real) innovation in the marketplace (cars, electronics, etc.) is becoming stagnant but you can easily find forty ways to have a croissant served up on a plastic platter?

Mild sarcasm there, but this does drive a good point overall. Males becoming demasculated (sp?) seems to have slowed development and push to market much of the innovative ideas. A bigger iPad and iPhone isn't innovation. It's marketing to keep the masses happy with aging tech. Improved mileage out of the 120+ year old tech of automobiles isn't innovation, but it is a good improvement.

[–]mustanggt90210 10 points11 points  (5 children)

As an automotive tech, I can tell you automotive technology is advancing in leaps and bounds. Just 20 years ago, cars were less efficient, less powerful, and not as safe as current vehicles.

I'll use the mustang as an example. In 1994, it had a 225hp 5.0l V8. In 2014, it was equipped with a 400+hp, 5.0l V8. Much faster, gas mileage is better, build quality is better, in a crash they are much safer. Better in every category you can measure.

That being said, I much prefer older cars. Less to break, more reliable due to less electronics, etc etc. But to say automotive technology has stagnated in the last 20 years is an ignorant statement. If needed, I can cite more examples

[–]GuidoBandito 2 points3 points  (2 children)

As I said, and you state, improvements. Innovation is are we still running fossil fuels or has a better battery system been designed that can make a car go over 300 miles from a single full charge and not weigh as much as the car itself freeing us from the chains of big oil while costing the same or less than current automobiles? Sadly, no. Hybrid cars have existed for decades. They just didn't come into play until the last decade due to a gas "shortage".

I have a 2007 GT when new was about 300 HP. Chevy had a Camaro years before that had that plus some. Ford is my car maker of choice, but they still live by Henry's standards of knowing what people want. Which is wrong. It took them the seven years to get over that hump when Chevy already had a 500 HP Camaro? Riiiight. Innovation. Hmm. Sounds more like marketing when hobbyists and race pros were already pulling higher HP out of the same engines. The manufacturers already know the tolerances of the engines they make. And some are capable of even more. Markets and insurance companies prevent going to these limits. It's not innovation. As far as safety measures, they even state them as improvements not innovation.

Marketing uses terms such as "new and improved" (how can it be new AND improved?) and "innovation" to sell the next disposable item, be it a tablet, cellphone, or car.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tesla had some decent designs... Their electric cars could go about 200 miles on a single charge. Not quite the 'over 300 miles' number you quote but then the typical John Q Public in the city generally drives less than like 80 miles. Only time people drive more is on long ass road trips.

[–]mustanggt90210 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what you're saying there. I had improvement and innovation tied too closely together in my head. I should rephrase my thought to essentially say there has been massive, quantifiable improvement in all aspects of cars since 20 years ago. The levels of advancement in that 20 year period I feel have been the biggest since the early 1900s when people were just figuring it all out. My daily driver is a 94 F150, and while I love the truck to death and will never get rid of it, it can't hold a candle to anything a 2014 can do, except be cheaper to fix and easier to work on.

I'm a Ford guy as well, and brought up that fact in a discussion a couple weeks ago. Chevy brought the LS1 Camaro in 98 or 99, then stopped making the car all together, letting Ford get lazy. The mustang should have been a 300+ hp car back then. The fact it took until 2011 to put out a car with more power than that Camaro is just sad.

[–]midlifedick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's 20 years of technological evolution, and really not that impressive of a change. A double in 20 years? Meh.

Real tech breakthroughs are becoming more rare. Even iphone is merely a really good and accepted innovation, but not a breakthrough. For example, nuclear power, a/c electricity, Deepwater drilling, $0.99 stores, etc.

[–]EnragedParrot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would disagree with this. You just aren't using good comparisons.

New tech is impressive...you generally don't see "quantum leap" (what a misnomer!) changes in tech once the basic level is figured out.

Our knowledge is there, increasing the materials tech is what's required. I can say in my own lifetime the changes we've seen are staggering. From $1 per minute long distance on landlines to (essentially) free long distance for all my minutes on a cell phone, or to free long distance over the internet, with video, via skype. I'm talking in less than a 15 year period (1989 to ~2001).

Or cars - going form unreliable carbs to FI, and form 100k miles being the death knell to 100k miles being the half-life, WITH much more complexity (AWD, traction control, computer-controlled steering and heat systems, nav systems, etc etc).

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The only way to win, is not to play.

This is the MGTOW strategy which works quite well for those with limited social graces and/or options.

[–]DiebytheSword666 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"Patrice O'Neal advised to have her start out in the mailroom; never just hand her the CEO role."

Wow, this is the quote of the day. Thanks for posting!

[–]1Sir_Distic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you've never listened to it you should. I believe it's from the Genesis of Black Phil episode of Opie and Anthony's radio show.

The man was Red Pill. He deflected and agree & amplify all of the callers who shit tested him. It wa hilarious.

[–]FreyWill 49 points50 points  (9 children)

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[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (6 children)

And yet someone gave him gold

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Most probably some blue piller decided that the good chuckle they get out of it is worth wasting the money.

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[–]Venomroach 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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[–]Caucasian-African 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I never would have found this forum if not for reddit.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (3 children)

The reason marriage is not an option is that it makes demotion very difficult and expensive.

[–]PM_Me_Your_Rabbits 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Marriage is like her making the company private so the board of directors can't fire her.

[–]denkoen11 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lol private firms can still have boards that can still fire the CEO, but i see what youre trying to say

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 28 points29 points  (9 children)

Understand that no sexual act ever leads to promotion. Sexual acts are simply required to keep a woman from getting demoted.

This is key - sex is the bare minimum requirement for level 0.

In any dating situation, sex should be considered standard and should be assumed to be happening every time you meet. The absence of sex during a date should be considered an exceptional circumstance, one where you need to evaluate what went wrong.

I'd almost make it a rule where blowjobs are considered standard as well but I make exceptions at times, especially for medical professionals who have actually studied the various risks involved.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I'd almost make it a rule where blowjobs are considered standard as well but I make exceptions at times, especially for medical professionals who have actually studied the various risks involved.

Apart from choking on the dick, what serious risks are there, which it doesn't share with french kissing?

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 10 points11 points  (3 children)

My understanding is that almost every kind of STD can be passed via oral sex, and that French kissing is relatively safe in comparison, though there are some risks there as well.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The risks are nearly the same AFAIK. There might be minimal differences, but those are rather unimportant.

This also applies in the other direction as well. Although you are not able to tell from the look, if somebody is suffering from an STD, you should under no circumstance make out with somebody who you wouldn't also be willing to perform oral sex on. So if you suspect them to live a risky sex life or not applying proper personal hygiene stay under any circumstance away from them.

[–]Gelu_sf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It actually depends on the growing environment and the type of STD. Some of them require an anaerobic medium (which makes them safe) while some of them require high humidity. These can be transmitted albeit in with a lower chance. Mushrooms (such as candida) will get transmitted anyways because they are evil.

[–]antariusz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The risks are there, but the risk is low. If you risk nothing, you gain nothing.

[–]Dsdcimyc 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Blowjobs don't do much for me. I like them but I kinda have to make an effort to come with them.

Still, they are a prerequisite. If a girl doesn't blow me I'll bang her once and never talk to her again. It's a matter of respect really.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think you just haven't had a good one

[–]Dsdcimyc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I had the most awesome one yesterday, I didn't have to make an effort to cum. Still, I hadn't had sex in two weeks and I got teased a lot.

If I have regular sex they don't do much for me, I like them but they're not the best thing. Still, they have to be there (and be spontaneous)

[–]1Sir_Distic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm kind of like him. It's hard for me to cum from a blowjob. And I've had really good ones. Most just either bore me or make me want to rush to have sex. Even good ones.

[–]razgrim 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Love the post.

Still want to point out however - Abundance should be considered a phase. Either you have it, or you don't, and it's something we all strive for. These guides help wonders for those in the abundance phase, helps them keep it, use it to further their SMV to even greater heights.

For those who do not yet have abundance, this advice can be harmful. Imagine someone fresh out of monk mode, dusty dick, learning how to make friends, and one-striking people out of his life. He'd get stuck spinning his wheels, like a 2WD burning out in the mud. Too much too fast. I strongly believe that compromise and forgiveness are essential to reaching a point of abundance, where they can then impose these rules to acquire a greater effect. Many people on the TRP path will have questions about how to approach these situations during their transitions.

I'd like to see an endorsed poster write up a "Redpill Roadmap" defining the phases, in order, and some description of how to progress to the next. This would greatly help our young men starting their journey.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)


What is this?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

^ Good advice.

Remember there aren't very many women out there worthy of a promotion to Level 3 probably less than 1% and that's being very generous. So out of 100 women you fuck, 1 woman might be worth the title of girlfriend.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This is a great guide for not getting fucked over but will leave most men incels, a lot of work and self-improvement is required for one's value to be high enough to trade at these asking terms / prices - keep working on yourselves.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Just keep this in mind fellas. No woman on the entire planet should be able to negotiate your desire with sex. Giving it or withholding it. Like OP says, men need to start valuing themselves way more.

If you feel the uncontrollable urge to fuck and you're only option is Manipulatora, don't bargain and sign away your own dignity just for the chance. Get a stripper, hire an escort, pay some whore. Keep it safe and unload.

Afterward you'll have the peace of mind to understand the mistake you were about to make.

If you're feeling bad about paying for sex because of what society thinks of it- remember that this is done to keep the pussy on the pedestal.

Women do the same in their own way, they let some super chad pump and dump them. One they could never get to commit- because he's out of her league. This gives them the ego and validation boost that they so crave.

Don't listen to those bitches, keep it on the down low and enjoy banging some strippers until you're next plate(s). On your terms, not theirs.

[–]refusewool 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Both of these Bitch Management posts are great. I have one query I would appreciate guidance on:

You say women not worthy of rank 3 include those who refuse sex. What if you go on a date with a woman (correct me if I'm wrong but I gather from yours and Humansockpuppet's posts that a date would function as a rank 0/1 screening process) and there are no obvious red flags or issues except for the fact that she denies sex on this first date (typical 'I don't fuck on a first date' female mentality). What would be the appropriate course of action? Should you give her a second chance at establishing a rank on a future date (since even rank 0 is based on sex) or do you simply not give her that opportunity?

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Great question.

Getting to sex comes down to two elements: attraction and logistics - you need to be able to turn the girl on, and you need to have a plan for moving her to a private setting where you can escalate.

Both of these elements are under your control.

Once a woman decides she's willing to have sex with you, she will give you an opportunity to isolate her. At that point, it comes down to doing so deftly without triggering her ASD. If you can do that, you WILL have sex.

So, if a woman contrives any reason for not having sex on a date (i.e. one that isn't related to you screwing up and making her "feel bad" during isolation), then the woman has Beta Bux plans for you, and you should drop her immediately.

Remember, this is just a date - the bitch hasn't DONE anything for you yet. And now she presumes to demand more of your valuable time? Drop her ass.

[–]antariusz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This would be better served on asktrp...

But, you should really be spending more time looking up ASD (anti-slut defense) / LMR (last minute resistance).

If a woman is denying sex on the first date, it's because she is either not attracted to you enough, your logistics are bad (she's concerned that she'll be discovered to be a slut from her social circle or you can't give her plausible deniability to come back to your private place), OR you've demonstrated yourself to be a beta, and she's "attracted" to your provider qualities, so she won't put out so that she can secure additional provisioning from you. (free dinners if nothing else)

[–]tariq89 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Just stumbled upon this sub reddit. You must realise this ideology is so destructive. Do any red pillers have female friends that they see as just friends and not sex objects?

[–]GentLemonArtist 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Nah this will just get rid of the awkward guys that want to fuck you but only know how to express love by giving stuff and working for you. Win/Win.

[–]tariq89 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Can you have a go at answering my question? if you feel comfortable doing do.

[–]GentLemonArtist 1 point2 points  (3 children)

This forum is for men talking about potential mates. Exclusive of the unattractive, old and young. Prospective mates are a minority who receive a majority of thought and effort.

TRP talks about mates, and the blue pill society and testosterone that clouds our judgement.

OPs tone is controversial and harsh. It's necessary because we have tunnel vision to the women we care about. They live in a hormonal blind spot within our guard, under our love and protection, with the ability to hurt us. TRP is concerned with that.

Short answer: yes of course. But platonic friends don't get discussed here. Make sense?

[–]tariq89 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yes that does answer my question. Thanks. I was so sure people here wouldn't because of the way they label women. Ie a "plate" is a friend with benefits but the phrase sounds dehumanising. Not trying to wind any one up just curious BTW.

[–]GentLemonArtist 0 points1 point  (1 child)


Spinning plates is the habit of having a few low effort FWBs. It's a signal that you're attractive enough to have options.

OP recognises that at times women get the need to jump from dick to dick. They travel to do this freely. It's more dangerous to do it locally because of their male family members.

Young plates don't want to be wives yet. My sister is studying in Sth America and is plated by hotter guys at her salsa class, gym and uni. She'll come home for a lucky local lucky husband though! Come to think of it ... did mom go to Franch Carribean when she was 23?

Spinning plates recognises that sooner or later you're going to 'drop' some if they move away, see you sick or find someone else . Plates want your dick and might txt at 11pm after their other committments. These relationships can be refreshingly honest and special without the expectation of propriety/wealth transfer. Plates genuinely want to fuck you for who you are right now.

It's a struggle for young betas to not fall in love with any girl who touches their penis.

An exceptionally moral girl shut me down when I made a move, put her boyfriend of 2yrs 'on break' the next morning and turned up on my doorstep that evening. 5 yrs ago, I was that idiot wondering why my LTR was flipping out and sending me away. Sigh. If I knew this then I'd have known what to do! And you can too.


[–]tariq89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your time. I love checking out controversial sub reddits and talking to the people who belong.

The way i understand the whole relationship human experience is that success can only be achieved through open and honest communication. Without it the relationship is sunk. If you're resorting to mind games and manipulation something is wrong.

Also a relationship is a partnership but I think it should not be thought of as a business transaction. A romantic relationship should transcend "well im getting this amount of sex now so they'll get this amount of emotional attention today" it shouldnt matter what happens on a daily basis. Two minds should merge to become one. One entity that doesn't critically analyse it's self.

I love my wife and see her as an equal in everyway. We both are different beings with different strengths and weaknesses. I'm so happy we complement each other. Being open and honest is how we conquer our spats. Mind games and manipulation will only lead to a total relationship breakdown.

Might be an unpopular opinion here but I think that playing people off against each other or taking advantage of an insecurity is truly awful.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As you're a first timer , you've got reading to do before anyone here will take you seriously.

[–]tariq89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I came here to have a peek at something I personally think is so harmful. Now I'm really curious to learn why you think the way that you do. Would you feel comfortable answering my question? Do you have female friends you see as just friends and not possible sex partners?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm confused by this rule of rank 2:

  • Women who are not exclusive to you.

Exclusive in what sense? It sounds like the way you'd be exclusive to someone once you are in a relationship, but rank 2 is not relationship rank.

[–]Caucasian-African 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That is listed under rank 2.

But in any case, the OP would only make someone a fwb if they're exclusive with him? That does sound more like a rank 3 requirement.

[–]denkoen11 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The cheated rule is a fucking golden rule that too many ignore

[–]TomTomBomBomb 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I had a very different idea of what this sub was all about. This shit has just kind of confused me, left me feeling less pathetic after seeing some of these posts. Is this a serious sub? It's like the polar opposite of whiny feminists on Tumblr. In practice this is pretty much the same thing to me. Just strange.

[–]Datruyugo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There are parts of this sub you take and some you discard. You use it to mold yourself into the man you want to be. Some things are harder to accept/implement/learn than others while some others things you may not agree with.

[–]TomTomBomBomb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the time I posted this I've already learned a bit. It was admittedly my first time here. Since I have learned that this is exactly what you say it is. Good shit.

[–]cswnathan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of the contents are gold. Just wondering how you guys treat your female friends: How would you rank them IF no sex at all (either they are not attractive enough or other reasons)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children)

Women who are not worthy of social time (rank 2): Single mothers.

I found this immensely hilarious because one of my plates at the moment happens to be a single mom. I naturally hate children though so the child doesn't come up at all, plus she's slightly below level 2 (we socialize/be social around each other but other than fucking, I don't maintain contact).

Otherwise though, good checklist. This is honestly how I've always viewed women, I could never put it into a list though.

[–]tobiasvl 1 point2 points  (9 children)

I actually didn't understand that point. Why are single mothers not worthy exactly?

[–]1DnicF 20 points21 points  (6 children)

Single mothers are more often than not looking for a provider (i.e. beta bux). It's not your job to look after someone else's kid. The sole fact that she is a single mother shows you that she can't even keep a relationship with the guy she had a kid from. If she's not a widow, it means she has either/or A) a poor judge of character or B) difficulty keeping a relationship. Both should be a major red flag.

On top of what it says about the woman, you have to consider the kid as well. The kid for her (if she's a decent mom at least) will always come first. Although that's reasonable, you're already 'competing' for her time with the most important person in her life, which logistically just doesn't make sense. Then there's the kid's feelings. I could go on, but you get the point. There's a lot of reasons not to commit to a single mother.

[–]fortheloveofpercy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Women who are not worthy of social time (rank 2): Single mothers.

I understand not committing to a single mother but as long as the child isn't involved I don't see the harm in going out with one.

/u/whisper could you expand on your reasoning here?

[–]2popthatpill 8 points9 points  (3 children)

My guess is that promoting to FWB is sort of like a testing/proving ground for an LTR. Because you wouldn't LTR a single mother, the FWB stage is therefore pointless and no single mother need be promoted to it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is a good point, I didn't think of it like that.

Also, if the father is still around then you will still be 3rd at most behind her kid and her ex who will still have a legit reason to be in their lives.

This reminds me of that movie that just came out.... what was it called Daddy's Home?

[–]fortheloveofpercy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for expanding

Gahhh this tears me in two. Part of me disagrees because if you enjoy being around her why not spend time with her outside of sex.

Once I start down that thought line, instantly i see the trap. If you enjoy her that much to spend your free time with why not have the possibility of LTR on the table.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't too much either tbh, possibly because of the headache and extra shit that can be introduced because of the child factor. But again, not sure.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was another thread recently titled something akin to "don't discount 40-yr-old plates" that went into some detail about this, specifically the exceptions.

Single mothers under the age of 30 are all bad people. Single mothers from 30-40 are probably bad people. Single mothers >40 might be bad people, depending on circumstances.

But if the only rule you learn is "single mothers are bad people" you'll probably fare well.

[–]Ciderlover89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, you guys think about woman pretty much the same way as the Islamic State :) #doyouevenlift

[–]Strutys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lets be honest here. Redpill is about sexually frustrated betas who feel the need to put down women who birth us, raise families and give you some pussy to hit. I say FUCK YOU RED PILL FUCKING QUEER FAGGOTS. You need an aggressive dominatrix to be in charge of your orgasms cause you all phaggots.

[–]Feliy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really solid. Makes for a good reassurance check list, Thanks for that

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An LTR of 12 years went to "level 0" over one weekend. Thanks for this list, Whisper. This actually felt wrong for me, but as I see that on a TRP board, written by an EC/RPV... this means less thinking for me. And less thinking means more action. Thanks.

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[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 10 points11 points  (10 children)


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Been a busy week with the hammer huh?

[–]RedMoonAscendant 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I am so glad I have no clue who that person was or what they said. Thanks for doing God's Work and banhammering the filth.

[–]Firespit 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I on the other hand always wonder what could be so wrong in that post, in order to ban a person from here.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Concern trolling. When you've seen it once, you've seen it all.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Level 1: Plate Level 2: Friends with Benefits.

I would actually swap FWB and plate around, FWB is just a casual relationship where you aren't investing anything at all to her, like a free ONS anytime, whereas a plate is soft harem, you by definition have to see them a bit to spin them and you're just at the stage before emotional investment because you might have to drop them at any time.