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Red Pill ExampleObserved my daughter using/abusing a Beta: She's 11 (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]1PantsonFire1234 171 points172 points  (43 children)

You need to teach your daughter the morals that you yourself uphold and believe in. Tell her to think for herself and not be dragged with the currents of her friends.

Those girls laughing rewarded her with even more social positive feedback. If she continues down this path it could possibly lead to some ugly things. Bad relationships, abuse and drugs for one.

I see it all the time at parties. Young girls go all out because their friends encourage them. Imagine such a mindset in college.

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    [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    All children are natural shits because they do not understand the consequences of their actions beyond the here and now. Children just understand status but don't understand why you don't abuse that status. They don't consider that beta/omega may have friends up the food chain that may avenge this insult. He may be a biatch but he's my biatch type of thing, no leader/alpha will let anyone abuse their underling.

    The real reason we have morals and laws is to reduce societal conflict. Calling children Machiavellian is doing Machiavelli a disservice.

    [–]sickofbeingaffraid 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Dude, women are machiavelian like water is wet...

    [–]Manuel_S 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    You're being a good father.

    I'll add the following: You are the big male in her life. You must game her, make her see you as the sterling example. This will allow you to guide her more.

    Unpleasant as it is, those manipulative traits will also help you succeed and help bring about offspring to carry your legacy. Its a cold way to think of it, but you can teach her to use her ability to get more from life - including those bucks - while not being wantonly and wastefully cruel. Also do not neglect making sure she understands how not to fall so easily for being plated.

    Please do not despise female strategy. Our strategy does not work for them, just as theirs do not work for us. theirs sounds and is shitty to us - but it works for them, and she'll need it.

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      [–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      An important thing for her to understand is to treat men (namely you) with respect. Modern society will fight her upbringing though, under the lie of gender equality. Don't let that affect your resolve as a father. You watch over her, no one else.

      [–]1v1mebruh 34 points35 points  (19 children)

      wtf dude no 11 year old kid is a "natural machiavellian" unless their parents let them get away with manipulating others and pushing people's boundaries/taking advantage of them. if she's a "natural machiavellian" then you've been raising her poorly and need to start cracking down hard.

      no disrespect to you as a person, i hate telling others how to raise children as it's a challenge i'm not ready for myself, but if that's really the case in regards to her exhibiting those characteristics then you have to be honest with yourself: it's a reflection of your parenting. take action and get in control of the situation.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 62 points63 points  (10 children)

      He said the mother was dark triad... well, child psychopaths do exist and there's a strong heritability factor. Not saying that's what's happening here, but it's far from outside the realm of possibility.

      Pussy whipped academics like to say there's no such thing as child psychopaths, that's a lie.

      [–]2niczar 39 points40 points  (3 children)

      Pussy whipped academics like to say there's no such thing as child psychopaths, that's a lie.

      That's not quite what they say. The diagnostics criteria for what corresponds to psychopathy (narcissistic personality disorder or antisocial personality disorder) apply to adults only by definition. But it is recognized that children with oppositional defiant disorder or conduct disorder are likely to grow up to be NPD or APD, so in effect psychopathy in children is called ODD or CD.

      The problem is that, as far as I understand, except in the most egregious cases, it can be hard to spot the difference between kids who routinely break rules and hurt people or animals because they like doing so, and kids with ADHD who do it because of an inability to control their impulses or remember directions.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 28 points29 points  (2 children)

      This is a far more concise explanation than my glib dismissal of academic attitudes to psychopathy. I've no disagreements. Have an upvote.

      [–]RedMoonAscendant 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      God I love this interaction. A luminary admits that someone else has done a service to humanity by taking an oversimplified opinion and fleshing it out. This is why The Red Pill and its (mindshare) leaders are destined for glory. We actually allow rational discourse.

      This comment thread is an example we should strive to follow.

      [–]RedSugarPill 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      I've come to realize that academics are generally people who spend their time coming up with justifications for why common sense does not apply to [insert research topic here]. The cultural conditions in the halls of academia are deplorable. Literally as I was writing this, I got an email from my building coordinator saying that I have to sign a statement that I will pay for damages in the lab if there is an electrical fire and they think it's my fault. I responded with the forgotten word.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      There are plenty of academics/scientists, including myself, who are red pill as fuck. But we generally keep quiet about this stuff in public, lest a "Tim Hunt" situation happen to us. Think of it as us applying Law of Power #38. Nature of the times.

      So the only academics you hear talk in public about this stuff are generally the feminist/progressive supplicants.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      If people don't believe child Psychopaths exist, show them THIS as documentary. A documentary about a little girl who luridly explains how she'd kill her parents and brother. It's quite sad when it gets further in and reveals chilling details about her backstory as to how she ended up that way. Psychopaths can be created with it, or born with it. Unfortunately, Psychopathy does not have an age.

      [–]RemyPrice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      there's no such thing as child psychopaths

      You're right about the majority of academics.

      FWIW, in the field of ontology we treat kids as "small-sized adults" from the age of 8.

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        [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

        She has power at a young age. If she was some 11 year old girl who was overweight and had no friends and he asked her if he could come to her party it would have likely gone very differently. Attractive women get a lot of social power very early in life and they don't yet have the maturity to NOT abuse such power.

        Men are generally very different. The most powerful men in their 40s and 50s weren't the most powerful boys from 9 to 25. Generally they worked at obtaining it for decades and have a much more mature attitude about it.

        [–]Origami84 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Very true. Physically, socially and (i hope) mentally i progressed much further than the awkward boy i once was. I do still harbor resentment for how i was threated at the time by girls or succesful boys. My ideal is still to be better than them, not to threat other people like trash now that i could.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 58 points59 points  (6 children)

        Now just imagine a boy of 11 punching a girl in the face (even with her consent).

        When your daughter grows up, she'll figure out that she doesn't even have to give out the invitation afterwards.

        [–]KartagoPill 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Lel he would be a criminal.

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          [–]rpscrote 14 points15 points  (1 child)

          It's just the same old same old "Women have no agency at all lololol" kids that pop up in every single thread. If women have no agency then all the bad things they've had done to them can be rationalized away. Its ego defense and projection. Women obviously have agency, its just that their nature refuses to accept that immutable fact unless pressed. However the fact remains. So a parent should press the female child until she is forced to accept her agency and in the process maybe become a less shitty person. Part of the human condition is to rise above your lizard brain impulses.

          [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Women obviously have agency,

          And women can obviously be held accountable. I think a lot of guys get the probability of things changing and the possibility of things changing mixed up. There is nothing at all that is theoretically stopping us as a society from holding women to a higher standard, basically an actually equal standard to men. It's probably never going to happen, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

          [–]_eskimo_brothers_ 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          It's becoming generally accepted as we've been talking about for months here. It's fucking disturbing IMO.

          OP - Thank you for being an actual father and disciplining your child. She's growing up in a strange world...

          I usually have my own music playing from my phone but on the radio this morning I heard a morning female DJ state that our state University is one of the reasons why our state is in the top 5 for a "sugar baby" website. Called seekingarrangements.com... I couldn't believe what I was hearing. She said, "Yeah going to college debt free, I would have done that... LONG PAUSE... but I think I'd be selling part of my soul, but I know a lot of girls that wouldn't care." Talk about an excellent morning free radio advertisement for that site.

          Details from the website, it's a bullet point survey on Beta Bucks.

          • "Our Community"

          • 5MM+ Active Members

          • 4MM+ Sugar Babies

          • 1MM+ Sugar Daddies & Mommas

          • 139 Countries using SeekingArrangement

          It's not just about alpha fucks, beta bucks, and rich alphas. This kind of slide in society with coeds having easy access to sugar daddies while possibly even living at home isn't under the surface any more, it's right there with a slick website with big names in journalism basically saying "it's easy, safe, and cool". What hot young girls have a decent moral compass anymore? My point is, this is going to put girls on the fringe of those choices to say, "Why not, I'll just see what's out there." And boom, once they get the validation AND compensation, which ones are going to turn away? It's kind of like girls who get hired at strip clubs just being waitresses? When they see the money, a large percentage start stripping.

          Yeah, there have been platforms for sugar babies in the last decade, but call it what it is. Legal prostitution. Might as well make it legal, since this basically what it is. Then the betas and omegas stop putting women up on pedestals.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          they can't. The sort of attitude this behavior cultivates will leave her a failure of a human being

          This behavior leads up to women cucking a cozy 6-digit STEM nerd into raising a child she has with some tall, dark and devilishly handsome bad boy - sure, she has some self-induced mental anguish, but in the course of nature, they win.

          Like any sound living organism, every behavior women exhibit today, they do so because it is rewarded.

          [–]GraphicSeniorNudity 369 points370 points  (72 children)

          Jesus christ dude get your daughter in check. This isn't a "it's not ok to hit other people sweetie" moment. This is a "your party is cancelled everyone go home" moment.

          [–][deleted] 150 points151 points  (1 child)

          This OP, you're raising a child, not just letting it grow on the sidewalk and hoping it doesn't come back into your house pregnant.

          [–]foldpak111 27 points28 points  (6 children)

          Even though it is wrong, she and her friend's are just acting on primal urges. Beta males will always be treated this way. If the boy was the son of ThunderBro McDude his daughter would've practically begged him to come to the party.

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            [–]Dubsland12 26 points27 points  (2 children)

            In fairness 5th grade boys are no better. Lord of the Flies is pretty accurate.

            [–]becredible 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            I should reread that book with a red pill perspective. The last time I read it, I was as average blue piller. I was complaining about how I felt they should be instead of understanding and adapting to how things actually are.

            [–]voomer53 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            mini-Chad's...that's a first...

            [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            As a parent, he needs to rein his daughter in. What do we do with our LTRs? We establish boundaries for them.

            Even if the two relationships aren't the same, the concept is still valid. When dealing with a woman, you must establish boundaries. If she thinks she can get away with that shit, at some point, his daughter will try to put some stupid shit on him.

            [–]rockinhard130 25 points26 points  (6 children)

            Agreed, she needs a "come to Jesus" moment on not being a little sociopath

            [–]verify_account 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            This is AWALT behavior, not a sociopath's behavior. It's not good, but it shouldn't surprise you.

            [–]AzN1337c0d3r 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            The two arent mutually exclusive you know...

            [–]sir_wankalot_here 49 points50 points  (16 children)

            I see a great future for this daughter, Machiavellian with a nasty streak. Obviously she knows men are to be used for her amusement.

            Probably will become a dictator or something g highly successful like that.

            [–]GC0W30 16 points17 points  (4 children)

            I was thinking Hillary Clinton, but maybe a successful version...

            [–]SteelChicken 5 points6 points  (3 children)

            She might be the next president, God help us.

            [–]GC0W30 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I can't imagine that after Obama the Democrats get it for the third time in a row.

            The only way we don't get a Republican is if the GOP completely and totally drops the ball like a dozen times in a row.

            I'm not a GOP fan saying this, either...

            [–]SteelChicken 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            They played the elect a black man card, now they are going to play the elect a woman card. Many republican women will vote for a woman just because.

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              [–]jimmyharbrah 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              "This is just the most extreme manifestation." This sounds like something people say to sound smart. Pseudo-intellectual bullshit.

              Like top post says: this isn't some data-point on a fucking college professor's spreadsheet. Your daughter just GOT something for hitting someone: positive feedback from her friends and a party from you. Parenting, at its most basic: when your kid does something like this, you TAKE something away.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              his sounds like something people say to some smart. Pseudo-intellectual bullshit.

              Not really, it actually sounds like an excuse to make it seem like it's not something that happens often, as if it was an accident rather than her showing her true colors.

              [–]david_kimba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I did way worse shit than this and i turned out just fine... mostly... kind of... whatever.... ;)

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                [–]2Archterus 37 points38 points  (0 children)

                Pull the pin, reprehensible behaviour. Clearly identify this is the consequence of her actions to all involved. She can deal with the angst from the sibs. A bad show.

                [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                Let the rest of her siblings have the party, exclude her and the people she invited.

                [–]projectself 62 points63 points  (18 children)

                of course it is. It literally is as simple as saying. "this is canceled". let her siblings take their anger out on her for ruining it.

                or not.. and let her do whatever without repercussions.. which is probably why you are in the situation you are in.

                [–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                Your comments are consistently constructive, helpful, and brimming with Red Pill insight. Thank you for your contributions to this community.

                I am hereby endorsing you.

                [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

                It would hurt the girl's social standing in that her peers feel that she ruins things for them due to her manipulative behavior. Whens he was able to tell the boy she wants to him him she did so out of an extreme confidence that she was at the top of some pecking order.

                [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Seriously, who gives a fuck if the gathering of little snots is cancelled.

                [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                As someone who has 5 brothers and sisters, I can tell you from experience that doing it your way not only poisons the well, but it isn't actually a punishment. If no one gets to go to the party, i.e. because the party didn't happen, then you didn't miss out on anything. You go about you life, having learned nothing.

                So instead of not ruining your children's sibling relationships and effectively disciplining the offender, you don't punish the offender and you make everyone else resent them. Good job. You are "Parent of the Year" material, right there.

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                  [–]HalfysReddit 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                  Some of this shit is just raising a girl in 2016.

                  By chance does she watch a lot of television? My niece really gets into Disney TV shows and honestly some of them are really fucked up and I can see that they're fucking my niece up.

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                    [–]HalfysReddit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    When i say disney, i mean ALL of it, including their cute TV shows.

                    I think the TV shows are actually the worst offender, as they're supposedly emulating real life and as such, impressionable children are more likely to emulate the characters in the show.

                    [–]RemyPrice 12 points13 points  (5 children)

                    Don't cancel the party.

                    It's better for her to see that the party goes on - with or without her.

                    If you cancel, she'll learn that she can disrupt everyone else's life with her outbursts and antics.

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                      [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      If it is actually the thing that was giving her social status, the shame of losing that status is way more than the punishment of not having the party. If the party is cancelled, she can come up with any number of explanations, none of which will likely be the truth. If everyone knows that the party happened, but that she and her friends didn't get to go, there's a lot less wiggle room. People will make up their minds without input from her.

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                        [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        We are talking about 11 year olds, which are basically underdeveloped adults. Have you never heard middle school gossip? The level of hamstering is way past anything adults come up with.

                        [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                        Tell her that none of her guests will be allowed.

                        [–]fdsdfs89 23 points24 points  (6 children)

                        Bullshit you're the father. You need to show your children that you have the power in the household. Big opportunity missed to curb stomp that kind of behavior. That's far beyond AWALT, that's the beginnings of a girl that destroys men for fun and ends up shot in an alley because she mouthed off to the wrong drug dealer.

                        [–]Steveniii 16 points17 points  (4 children)

                        Most little girls are like that. They grow up in a system where that behaviour can be rationalised away. As a parent, you see your kids do a lot of shit. You learn to pick your battles and save your energy for the big stuff. Raising kids is a marathon, not a sprint.

                        [–]fdsdfs89 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                        I would say that my girl assaulting someone is a damn good battle to pick don't you think?

                        [–]Steveniii 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                        Yes. Because you witnessed it. But it goes on all the time with societal blessing when you are not around. It is normal. Females do this. Punish her, but have a word to the boy. And his father. Find out where the disconnect is.

                        Men and boys should be taught not to stand for that shit. Or be putting their sons in that position.

                        [–]fdsdfs89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        That I will agree with you on.

                        [–]Jinpati 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Let me ask you this then - would you have reacted the same way if gender roles were reversed?

                        [–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (42 children)

                        It's punishment time for her, that behavior was evil, despicable and cruel.

                        [–]The__Tren__Train 16 points17 points  (2 children)

                        wow.. I have never witnessed that type of cruelty before..

                        and to think your daughter is 11 years old lol. damn

                        she's going to be falsely accusing guys left and right and then end up in a shallow grave if you don't nip this shit in the bud.

                        [–]foldpak111 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                        Ruin enough men and one of them are going to retaliate and it won't be pretty.

                        [–]RP_is_mainstream 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Now imagine if she had no father figure at all and carried this behavior into adulthood.

                        [–]2comment 112 points113 points  (20 children)

                        That was a punishment moment and you missed it. Punishments have to be quick, fair and equitable (punishment fits the crime - you don't beat a kid senseless for stealing a cookie), and the child told precisely what she's being punished for.

                        My grandfather raised a bitch. My aunt. She was a loudmouth and abusive to her three brothers. Every adult in her family kowtowed to her and her wishes. She ended up having 8 kids by 3 dads. All but 3 of her kids have disowned her. She wrecked her own family and marriages.

                        Much of why western civilization is disintegrating because the girls don't feel consequences for her actions. It's very simple here, reverse the genders. Would you have stepped in? That's how you prevent a cunt and make her life happier in the long run.

                        [–]SwagYoloJesus 41 points42 points  (3 children)

                        You punish a dog swiftly, right after the deed, but only because it won't know what it's being punished for if done later. A 11-yo knows what she's being punished for, even if it takes place a couple days later. Nothing was missed here, she'll be fairly punished.

                        [–]rpscrote 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                        I was getting worried we didn't have a women training = dog training moment yet in this thread.

                        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Well, he did just say that they aren't equal, so I guess we're still missing it

                        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children)

                        That was a punishment moment and you missed it.

                        How did he miss it? Did I misread or did he not cancel the party?

                        [–]thewrightstuff88 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        It comes off a little confusing towards the end but he might've relented and held the party since the boy was still invited.

                        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        it sounded to me like boys were invited but no girls were allowed, including his daughter. but yes it really is unclear

                        [–]2comment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I commented before the first edit/update was in place.

                        [–]absoluteskeptic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                        That was a punishment moment and you missed it.

                        I disagree. I've got a 12 year old girl, and if you don't you, then you don't know what little monsters they can be. They are very calculating and plan days in advance for their actions. My sister was also like this from 10 to 15. She knew what she did was wrong, and did it for her gang of little thugs. The OP talked to his wife, now the parents are a united front and the girl knows this and can't exploit a rift on this between them. The punishment of friends kicked out was fine, and she suffers the embarrassment of that.

                        [–]causeandcorrelation 44 points45 points  (1 child)

                        OP. You are raising a cunt. Fix it.

                        [–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (6 children)

                        Maybe this has nothing to do with her being female, maybe she's just a bitch.

                        [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (2 children)

                        I mean it's Machiavellian which we all pretty universally acknowledge as an innate female trait. "I'll let you have the thing you want (social inclusion) if you let me impose my sadistic will on you"

                        [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 45 points46 points  (1 child)

                        And all her other little friends are vicariously getting off on seeing a girl dangle power over a boy. Bitches be Machiavellian. Virtue from power is a masculine trait, not a feminine one.

                        [–]CaptainGloom 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                        I don't know what kinds of boys you hung out with, but every kind of boy I knew in my school years, be he a geek like me, a rough-and-tough cheeky cunt, a popular guy, an outcast, none of them would have engaged in this kind of behavior. Not even the most dangerous kid I knew would

                        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        Boys and men understand paybacks. Girls and women feel they are protected from that.

                        [–]tb87670 36 points37 points  (11 children)

                        Your kid, handle that shit how you feel appropriate. If you feel she wronged that boy (we all know what she did was cruel from what we read here) then take appropriate measures to ensure she knows this is not correct behavior. Hypergamy and solipsism only exist at such a high frequency today because prior generations let this exact sort of thing slide one small bit at a time.

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                          [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (6 children)

                          If you had a red pill lens you would have done something about it. That behavior is absolutely unacceptable, regardless of sex.

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                            [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

                            If there is a difference in handling a situation immediately and "flying off the handle" then you obviously have quite a bit to learn. Her behavior is absolutely an immediate issue of "don't do that particular thing again." as that is how homo sapiens learn acceptable social behaviors.

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                              [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                              she wont cognitively understand not to use orbiters at her age. you'll have to cross that bridge later. at this point i think just do the immediate takeaway of her party like you said, and make sure she associates it with her cruel treatment of that boy. i think focusing on empathy/compassion/golden rule stuff is optimal right now.

                              [–]thefisherman1961 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                              You didn't even make her apologize to the boy?

                              [–]1wanderer1976 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                              Dude, what have you been doing about the behavior leading to this? The response should have been immediate. Cancel the party. Stress the importance of respecting everybody, especially people others look down on.

                              [–]genghiscoyne 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                              Tl;dr "I'm raising one of the women we mock"

                              [–]sir_Preacher 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                              Bad behaviour in public must be punished instantly in public; bad behaviour in private must punished privately

                              This is one of the cardinal rules of parenting.

                              Failure to punish her in public will encourage the other kids to repeat the same bad behavior. You will also be thought of as a bad father.

                              You missed an opportunity to give her a correction that will stick with her for life.

                              [–]absoluteskeptic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                              For all you judgemental pricks out there blaming me for creating demon-spawn

                              Yeah, my situation isn't as bad as yours, but if the parents are not working as a team, it's hard to keep a handle... especially emotional time-bombs like 11 year old girls. They will say black is white for absolutely no reason, and they don't even know why they are saying it.

                              [–]abdada 25 points26 points  (2 children)

                              You know your wife secretly supported the slap.

                              Don't white knight the schlub.

                              [–]DarkuSchneider 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              Kids have the capacity to be quite cruel but can be taught what is not acceptable to limit it. Now days it seems society gets more face time in a day with kids than their families. I could not be certain this is a sign of a natural Mach based on what is known. Kids like humans will work out their pecking order through various rituals but it sounds like she was possibly putting on a show for her friends for sure. It would be more insightful to her mental state if she did it of her own inspiration or if she was instructed from one of the friends.

                              Louis CK lays out girls vs. boys quite well...

                              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                              If you've got daughters from about 11 upwards until they are 16 or so, your eyes will be opened to the Red Pill. You know about these cyber bullying instances you read about? That's mostly teenage girls bullying the shit out of each other and other hapless betas. It's scary shit. One 15 y o bitch manipulated her father into attacking me about my daughter bullying his daughter online - turned out to be the opposite scenario with her hurling a long line of abuse over weeks to my daughter and she replied she was a bitch, and this was supplied as evidence of bullying.

                              The same daughter was out getting off her face on vodka any chance she got - and sent a topless selfie with her and my daughter's ex bf (who turned out to be gay) and that's only the stuff I knew about. The parents were oblivious to this.

                              Don't worry, I know my own daughter is no saint either, AWALT - but I've left her in no doubt about my thoughts as to how she should behave. In fact she sees me as a role model and not her mum, which I see as an achievement.

                              [–]daveofmars 27 points28 points  (3 children)

                              If it were me, I would have taken the boy aside, asked if he was alright, and made sure she saw the gesture of sympathy. I would have made sure he got home okay. Then, I would cut off all attention to her entirely - not yelled, not screamed, not even made mention of it. However, she would effectively be invisible.

                              Shaming, out-grouping and withdrawing attention are like kryptonite to women, especially young girls. She'd understand right quick.

                              But that's only hindsight.

                              I'm half tempted to say inform the wife and see how the feminine side dishes out punishment, but then again I don't know who the main disciplinarian is in your family. Proper punishment is real tough when the event is long over because kids don't feel the immediate impact - there's no association between what I'm doing now and this bad feeling from being scolded. It's ineffective to inflict punishment long after the crime.

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                                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Like a dog you need swift punishment for bad behavior.

                                [–]StotheGG 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                                Your entire conclusion about your daughters behavior and AWALT only demonstrates to me that your daughter is mimicking your wife's behavior. I think that you're probably ABUSED by your wife and were probably abused by your mother. So, you actually are trying to find ways to justify your abuse through the redpill.

                                No, what your daughter did has nothing to do with hypergamy and everything to do with cruelty. She preyed on a vulnerable person and found amusement in inflicting physical pain an another human being. This is not normal behavior, be it from a boy or girl. The fact that you did nothing shows me you're PARALYZED WITH FEAR of the women in your life.

                                Don't use redpill theory to justify being abused by women. 'Well its okay, cause all girls are like that.'

                                Lastly, you should tell your daughter that you're ashamed of her, that you never imagined she'd do such a thing, and that such behavior will come back to haunt you. She might think its funny but when the other children tell their friends, and those friends tell their friends, she'll actually grow to be hated and people will enjoy trying to do things to hurt her when the opportunity arises as a form of 'justice.' And they'd be right.

                                [–]Money_Bags97 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                OP you gotta nip this shit in the bud. As other comments said, she'll grow up a sjw or a total bitch. Quick story...

                                I know a middle school kid who calls herself a "bad bitch". Her mom is horrible, has more red flags than a Nazi convention, and most likely has some mental disorder. Worst part is her mom reinforces this "bad bitch" behaviour. She literally picks fights with the students and even said she was gonna beat some kids ass if they talk shit about her daughter. THE FUCKING MOTHER. I could go in for hours about this womenchild.

                                She told me "yeah I'm a bad bitch" with that bitch face I'm like......uh, no your just a regular bitch. Good luck with your miserable life later.

                                TL;DR: Girls turn into their mothers

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                                  [–]Money_Bags97 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  Well, your in the right place at least. One thing about the kid in my comment is she doesn't really have a dad. Her mom is a single mom with two failed marriages, and the dad doesn't cares much for the kids. I swear the mom is a child trapped in an adults body.

                                  I don't have kids but I'd say discipline and respect for you and others are the most important things at that age. Pretty much just be the rock in her life she can count on.

                                  [–]SILENTSAM69 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                  Good job buddy. Sounds like you handled it well. This gives me something to think about as my daughter gets older.

                                  [–]Purecorrupt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                  I don't have kids so maybe it's just me, but it appears that everyone is over-analyzing this entire thing. Tl;dr - Kids are shitheads.

                                  [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                  For all you judgemental pricks

                                  K how about you stfu, bad daddy? I know it's not nice for people to criticize your parenting but if you don't give the whole story at first, what do you think people will assume?

                                  [–]BradPill 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                                  I would have her sincerely (!) apologize to the kid as well - in front of the whole group, so she knows she can't BS about it later on. And take a pic or two - only to remind her once she starts to act up again.

                                  [–]bam2_89 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                  Then everyone would know what happened to the kid and he'd be even more humiliated.

                                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  This story reminds me of an experience I had when i was around the same age. There was a girl I had been "seeing" (holding hands walking from class to class). One day she, a couple of her friends and I were at the public pool. I had been wanting to get my first kiss from this girl and had asked her about it. She said something to the effect of "I'll give you one kiss if you hump that inflatable whale over there."

                                  Being the prepubescent alpha that I was(lol), I walked away and never talked to her again.

                                  Girls learn the power they have over men early, and they will use it to embarrass you, or worse.

                                  [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  This is why religion is a powerful tool. TRPers regularly shit on religion. It's a tool. A weapon, even. Wield that shit to your ends.

                                  Even if you aren't physically there to watch her behavior, Jesus Christ is ALWAYS watching and listening. Sins are punishable even if she doesn't get caught.

                                  Morality can't be instilled through reason or logic, alone. And it can't be just you. It's a community effort. A church may be able to provide that community. At least consider it.

                                  [–]VodkaTankerSpill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  What the fuck? Are you divorced and only see your daughter once a month? How the fuck do you let her get away with this kind of behavior?

                                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                  I've read a lot of your responses and I am not a TRP contributor at all, but I'm going to ask one question which to me reads at the heart of this entire forum: What have you done about this behavior? Because, according to your replies, you are quite obviously simply watching your daughter and not providing constructive feedback. This is detrimental for any child (regardless of sex/gender/bullshit) that you happen to raise. Your own title speaks to how you are simply observing. Where are you instilling your virtues and principles? Where are you being an actual father? Grab your goddamn balls and be a parent.

                                  [–]Toolman890[🍰] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                                  Buy her some food she wants and do the same thing to her, then eat it in front of her and tell her what's up.

                                  [–]thewrightstuff88 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                                  Women lack self awareness, until they experience the same thing happen to them, then they are all angels. No guarantee that she will learn even after you do this, however its worth a shot.

                                  [–]NotUpToAnythingGood 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                  It's why my wife & I immediately call out bad behavior from our daughters. We do not let them get away without learning a lesson about their behavior.

                                  Given that some of the family hobbies involve activities that require honor, courtesy, and grace (historically correct medieval re-enactment), it's easier to get them to choose to behave better.

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                                    [–]I_Luv_Procastinating 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                                    I'm reading the book "How to Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie and read that positive reinforcement goes a lot better in teaching someone a desired behaviour than negative reinforcement.

                                    I'm not telling OP how to raise his daughter or even criticizing him but I'm just genuinely curious as to what someone can do to fix this problem behaviour in a positive manner instead of a punishment. The daughter wanted to impress her friends so what kind of positive incentives (or any other solution) could solve this?

                                    It'd be nice to know so that you guys all have more possible options next time something similar to this happens in your lives.

                                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                    I'm all for positive reinforcement of desired behavior, but i don't think we should start rewarding people for not being a cunt. Not being a cunt should be the standard. That said, I don't have kids.

                                    [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    You need both. The reason you can't use negative reinforcement on other adults is you really have no power over them. You have a LOT of power over your own kids.

                                    [–]the_optiomal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    It think it is good that you posted this and that the people giving you shit are probably cowards that don't even have children

                                    [–]SephiXen 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                    You probably should've stopped this as it was happening man. At least then you could set an example for potentially her, her friends, and especially the orbiter. I probably would've sat the fella down for a talk about self respect but that's just me.

                                    [–]Manducor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    AF/BB is the sexual strategy of women, OP says he wants to teach his daughter not to use betas, he'll discover how futile this endeavor is too late and to his sorrow. For his daughter will only grow to resent him for trying to suppress her nature.

                                    However, removing the cruelty in the way this nature is exercised, or teaching her to reserve said cruelty for those who have truly wronged her, is what a father should aim for imo.

                                    Men must lead through example so showing your disapproval and administering justice immediately would have served as a valuable life lesson to her. This wouldn't have made her change her nature, but she would have learned that overt acts of cruelty bring about serious repercussions. You can't make her care for the boy, if she cared to begin with she wouldn't have done what she did.

                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    I hope you did that boy solid and gave him some real knowledge. He is probably being told

                                    girls are really going to start liking you around 28 when they figure out that you have everything together

                                    thanks mom

                                    [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    If you ask me, it may be even more important (for the Father Figure) to instill in the girl that she cannot ever, under any non-emergency circumstances raise her hand against a male. This not having anything to do with respectable high morality, but fearful wisdom along the same lines as "do not willingly step in front of a speeding truck". Not all males out there are pussified feminism worshippers, some are dangerous. Hit the wrong guy even in jest like that and it could end in serious injury fast when he hits back.

                                    She will continue to manipulate halpless betas in other ways, that part will be taken care of by mother nature. Hopefully at least she will have enough fear of God in her from Dad's lectures to not hit any men she's trying to "date" down the line, like some women do nowadays. Any sufficiently "red pill" man will instantly next a woman for doing that, which is a crying shame if nobody ever taught her not to be an idiot, because then she has to nurse her broken heart and painstakingly try to find a new man of similar qualities.

                                    [–]Hughtub 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    Bullshit. You sound like you're either a negligent or beta father yourself if you're daughter did. This isn't typical young girl behavior. This is the behavior of a girl whose mother is more in control than her father.

                                    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                    My.

                                    Fucking.

                                    Gawd.

                                    11 yo and she's already acting like an evil bitch, while the boy is already a beta loser? Goddamn I am happy to be sterile... Mate, please remember that for every lesson you give her, society is going to give her 100 lessons. You can punish her once, but this society actively promotes and encourages this behaviour. Do not be ashamed if your lesson goes unheard. I bet that the only thing that she will understand is "hide from dad before being an evil bitch"

                                    [–]Redneck001 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                                    I see shades of my 10 yo daughter here.

                                    She has a neighborhood orbiter. He's friend zoned for life. She disrespects him, bosses him around, just runs all over him. Now, I should take responsibility for creating my entitled princess, and I discipline and counsel when her behavior crosses the line. But, this boy needs to learn to deal with women. So I actively plot with him against my daughter.

                                    So far, I've taught him dominant body language, how to.A&A, AM. Since he has no abundance, I've helped him "make up" a mystery girlfriend. Since working with him, I've heard him respond to her disrespect with "who do you think you're talking to?"

                                    Obviously, he can't hold frame for shit. But we're working on that.

                                    The highlight of our work is that another girl asked him to the 4th grade dance. My daughter is pissed that her orbiter was asked by another girl.

                                    Slowly, this boy is learning to be a man.

                                    Now, you're thinking I'm a horrible father. But I teach her to break a boy's frame. Because she will need to be able to attract a high value male, pretenders need not apply.

                                    She goes to the Iron Temple 3 times a week, and has a program that I designed for her.

                                    And since I'm the highest value man in her life, the bar is set pretty damn high. Those little boys had better bring their A game, because my little girl will chew them up if they don't.

                                    [–]RedMoonAscendant 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                    What the actual fuck am I reading?

                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    À 50 year old father, with a six pack and a family that is a tightly run ship.

                                    He's the real deal... MRP endorsed

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                                    [–]sweetleef 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                    Maybe "failing" is a better term - at 11 she still has a lot of time to develop.

                                    Domination, selfishness, exercise of power, seeking group status, mob punishment, these are all instinctual. We all have them to some degree, and it sounds like this girl is on the higher end of the spectrum. And from other comments apparently her maternal role model is going to be a significant barrier for her.

                                    The parental guidance relates to controlling those instincts and being able to rationally empathize with others. He still has time, but it's key that he show her how to act and make her feel the ramifications of action, not simply explain it.

                                    [–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Women mature around 21. If she's acting the same way then, you fucked up big time. Or she's just an innate bitch and she needs to be disowned.

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                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    Maybe FisherPrice could do one?

                                    [–]dirtydog413 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                    Thanks for sharing this story and I honestly think you have handled it perfectly. I am early 40s and remember what 11 year old girls were like when I myself was a 'socially awkward' 11 year old boy! Shudder...

                                    [–]billcosbyeatsbabies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    this is something my dad would let my little sisters get away with. as a kid just about to graduate this is pissing me off. i'm about to go graduate and get out of the shit hole i'm living in and i've got this thought lingering in the back of my mind that my sisters are going to grow up with absolutely terrible life skills, just like i did. fuck, it hurts to think they're gonna go through exactly what i went through growing up. i fucking hate lazy parents, don't be one of them OP. whip your motherfucking kid into shape.

                                    [–]IronMeltsinmyHands 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Girls squealing with glee... Jeez... Never let your girl get out of hand.

                                    I woulda taught that kid to slap her back. Even if she was my daughter.

                                    Such a rotten attitude deserves such ill treatment.

                                    [–]hopelessoneitis 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                    kids at that age dont have the necessary introspection to even think these actions. Some people called her DT.

                                    How the fuck can she be DT and machiavellian at 11 years old? Get ahold of yourself. You are throwing words around rather easily.

                                    It just displayed some small scale social dynamics and with her friends in present it became epic in her eyes. A chance to giggle at another's misfortune. But not to that deep a level as you guys make it be

                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Kids that age only learn morals through consequences. They are cruel little shits if you let them get away with it. They grow up to be DT Machiavellian adults if they don't learn morals and consequences

                                    [–]Tamazin_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    What i would do: Tell my daughter that that behaviour is not acceptable and as a punishment she will not have a birthday party this year. Period.

                                    Edit: Just read your edit. Glad you (and your wife!) thought the same thing.

                                    Edit2: If you wanted to go one step further you could (although that would make her impopular with her friends parents) would be to not mention it to her friends, and when they arrive tell them one by one that there will not be a party due to your daughters behaviour. But i guess/think just not having a party and having your daughter telling that to her friend (and the reason why) is punishment enough.

                                    [–]rpmanwithaquestion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                    If I had seen you do nothing to prevent that I would have beaten your ass with a spatula

                                    [–]LaRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    I love this you should post it to MRP

                                    [–]1Snivellious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    I don't envy your task.

                                    The hell with all the responses about how this is bad parenting. This is what kids do unless strongly prevented from doing it. You're not only tasked with raising a daughter who will be a good person, you're tasked with doing it in the face of every outside influence that can fight you.

                                    The worst and weirdest thing is that you can't just discourage all behavior related to this. Definitely, punish and explain and fight this behavior, but I see otherwise-functional men combat this behavior by trying to raise a girl with boy morals. It doesn't work, and it leaves her ill-prepared to deal with her peers.

                                    At a certain point she needs to learn to act like a girl, and that means some level of manipulation. So, you get the unenviable task of allowing that while keeping her from diving into the delusion and evil that it can so easily become.

                                    Best of luck, and thanks for an informative story.

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                                    What is this?

                                    [–]re_Pete 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    When the kid comes to the party, maybe you could pull him aside and teach him a thing or two. He obviously needs help with how to deal with situations like this in the future. Maybe with your help, next time he's in a similar situation he can tell her to go fuck herself and leave with dignity. Gotta help build the frame before they can sustain it.

                                    [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Sounds like you handled it pretty well. Ignoring bad behavior only lets it propagate. Any lesser punishment wouldn't have gotten the message across. Good for you.

                                    [–]Inyobch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Get your child checked, 10 years from now if she slapped another man and she gets slapped back shes gonna be surprised as fuck.

                                    [–]Eugenics2015 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    TRP is not something for women, teach your SONS to respect themselves dont reach your daughter to respect betas.

                                    I know that its hard to watch your own blood become the same thing you have grown to dislike but its female nature. The betas are non-entities. Valuing men like them would have put her at an evolutionary disadvantage

                                    [–]great_just_graet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    This sub is fucking psychotic. It used to be a decent place to talk about romantic/sexual strategy and self improvement. What does this made up story about some faggots made up family provide? Nice insight OP. your made up 11 year old acted like a cunt. She's going to be a dictator! Machiavelli! You faggots need some bleach

                                    [–]siriusisness 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                    I don't think you should be calling yourself "red pill" if you're allowing your own flesh and blood daughter to act like this mate

                                    [–]elruary 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                    But he didn't allow it. Did you even read what he said.

                                    [–]siriusisness 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                    he stood idly by and did nothing. IN THE MOMENT. when it matters most. then went and made a post on reddit about it, and was basically pushed into cancelling his daughters party by everybody else - at one point he even made excuses as to why he couldnt cancel it.

                                    looks to me like youre the one with the reading comprehension problem

                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                    OP, in the post you say you punished her by canceling party, and in the comments you say "it will be dealt with." Did you not punish her? If you didn't, what are you planning to do about it later?

                                    [–]Sementeries 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                    I'd bring the boy over, have all the siblings gathered around, tell the daughter to apologize to him in front of siblings, tell the sibs what she did, and then tell them all the event isn't happening.

                                    Make an example out of her.

                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                    Then put her head on a spike... As an example of course :P

                                    [–]paydenbts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    Sorry to say this guy, but she is so far along at that age that only an ass whoopin or public embarassment wil fix her, no amount of reasoning or conversation will even come close.

                                    Our elders knew it best

                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    Thank you for being a parent that doesn't make excuses for your children.

                                    Nobody can raise a perfect child, so don't blame yourself (or let others blame you) for this.

                                    You spotted the problem, and have dealt with it as best you can.

                                    She may never learn. When you get that kind of joy in being cruel at a young age.... it's hard to overcome it, but you are doing a fine job from the sounds of it.

                                    Keep up the good work.

                                    [–]DoNotEatTheTail 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                                    As a teacher, I will tell you that fathers like you and girls like your daughter are what make people quit this profession. Take some command of your family, you pathetic man.

                                    [–]Sementeries 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                                    And yet you claim to be a teacher, well, if there's any correlation between your comment and the way you teach then I hope you retire early, or are forced to.

                                    Learn how to give criticism that doesn't just berate the person and call him names.

                                    Also noticed how you singled him out instead of saying anything bad about the mother who the daughter is clearly taking after.

                                    [–]elruary 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                    Ohh fucking snap. Bro offer lube first before being so brutally honest.

                                    [–]sweetleef 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                                    In fairness he recognizes the problem and seems to want to rectify it - maybe offering guidance would be more helpful than empty criticism.

                                    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                                    It gets worse. I wasn't allowed to be part of my kid's lives, the courts made damn sure about that. They grew up with their neglectful abusive bipolar whore of a mother as a role model.

                                    The youngest of the two is 19, she chews up boys and spots them out, using them for anything she can get from them. She has the looks to pull it off, at 13 people were amazed she is my kid and I got tons of dirty looks from ugly girls when she was with me somewhere. Everyone assumed we were dating. Last year she told me she was around 60 on her N count, which is where I was at 25 when I met her mom.

                                    She knows exactly how to manipulate boys into anything she wants, and she has fucked guys close to my age. Yeah I fuck sluts in her age group, so I know it happens. She admitted to a 36 yro when she was 17. Barely legal where she lives. This is what you get when the mother has control of things and the father isn't allowed to guide them, or he is a weak spineless wimp like her step dad.

                                    Not much I can do about it now, I have zero leverage. The state prevented me from being there, and her mom tried very hard to keep me away. In Nebraska nobody cares about the father, he is only a wallet to plunder.

                                    [–]Ika- 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                    Hey, i hope you dont mind me asking, but how do you find the communication with your daughter after/while she tells you about her high number? Not to be judgmental, but 65 for 19 is like Dayuuuuuuum, i would find it difficult to respect my own daughter...

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