Red Pill ExampleMisinterpreted RP Thinking You Must Address Now (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary: Swallowing the pill, or even a veteran, we often make mistakes or can become too confused by RP ideology that it effects my life.

How in summary TRP saved my life, is explained how women are mostly useless besides keeping them as plates, something to release your stress, or better yet, to get a bit of attention from.

However I get asked constantly by my family "you never get a gf" or "no girls are interested in you." Funny, I actually had a gf for 6 months last year, yet my family never "met her" and I (not to brag) slept with 12 different women in 2015. A new record for me personally, not that its important.

Not counting dates, pulls in bars and clubs etc. Women are numbers. Its simply that. However RP thinking can be quite damaging if you don't think or look at the bigger picture. Misinterpretation can easily fuck up your life as well as save it.

This is not a religion, its just an ideology. Here are examples of how my thinking was a little misinterpreted:

She wants to fuck me, shes a slut When I had my first ever one night stand like 3 years ago, thats what I thought in my head. However, if Clooney was in a room with your mother, guess what? I think she'd fuck him. I'm not saying I'm Clooney but the right amount of game, alcohol and I guess attractive looks gets you that bang quicker then other girls. Now is she a slut? Not necessarily so. You may have been her "Clooney" there and then. Women are acting on impulse which you excite. The difference is she isn't a slut as such (although a large majority of one night stand girls are) yet its obviously a major red flag to settle down or date a girl who fucks you the minute you meet her.

He’s jacked, must be on steroids Now there is an enormous argument that most ripped guys are taking substances. However the bigger question is, so fucking what? Ok he’s bigger, stronger, more ripped. Ok he cheated but again so what? Maybe he didn’t? Maybe he got lucky in the gene pool. Be the best version of yourself. That’s what counts. So find the workouts that work for you. Eat the right foods. Train hard. You’ll get results. I’m not the biggest guy, but I look 10x better then I did 5 years ago.

The Pussification of Friends We’ve all been here. Your friends are dating a slutty girl/ugly girl/control freak/bitch etc. You can see the Red flags seeping out of their eye sockets, and your friends think the sunshines out of their vaginas. So much so that they see you less, and even just create their lives around these women. Obviously these guys are betas, but I’ll go one step further. They are lacking depth in their lives. Let me explain. For a guy to make his woman his world, is not a beta. He’s a lost man. He gets up and goes to bed thinking about his partner. He may work in between, and do some other bullshit, but his goal is his partner. This is in my opinion worse then describing them as a “beta.” Even when I had a gf, I wanted to see her, but I still saw my mates, I still saw my family, I put myself first. Probably what made it work so well, until I discovered her slutty past. My advice on these pussy-whipped friends is literally to see them when you see them, and offer absolutely no tips or thoughts on their lame relationships. One guy (true story) started dating a girl from a club he met, and he quit his job the week after, and has been unemployed since. He has made “seeing his gf” his full time job. He does nothing all day. Don’t be this guy, and also do not even waste your brain cell analysing them.

I’m Alpha now, I’m better then everyone I remember stepping into a club just after reading TRP for the first time. I was with a mate. We sat in the corner like a bunch of fags, thinking we were above everybody else. Now, I talk to everyone. Im a peoples person. I can obviously see the faults in a loser, or an obese omega, yet I’ll speak to them. Because I like people. Read “how to win friends and influence people” and notice that being a recluse isn’t the answer. Its boring, dull and depressing. On Saturday I was out with a hot irish chick in a pub. I came back and a guy was chatting up my girl on our table. I didn’t ignore him. I sat there asked politely for my seat back, shook his hand, smiled spoke a little then carried on with my date. He was a nice bloke! You may be red pill, and deep down you might be better, but remember, some of the best leaders ever in history always respected and made the effort to all the people around them. They might be of some use to you. Use your increased value to your advantage, but a happier, friendlier and more sociable man RP or not will go further in life then an arrogant turd whos in shape sitting in the corner thinking hes the best.

Immaturity I have been often called immature. An “idiot.” I do immature things. I play video games, I watch south park, and I kind of take the piss out of a lot of people. Let me make one thing abundantly clear about immaturity “there is NO historical evidence, none whatsoever that we at any given age have to grow up and be mature.” Now that DOESN’T mean going out in your PJs, or perhaps wearing a Star Wars jumper on a hot date (yes, I did this once). However, guys, don’t take life too fucking serious. Smile, be happy to be alive. Be happy to be able to do what you do. But regards to “immaturity” is essentially feminist bollocks being shoved down your throat. Now if you attend a black tie event, obviously do not wear shorts. Look the part, and conversate and be a man. However if youre bored before a night out, or about to go out, and you want to watch that cartoon, or play on your Nintendo wii, fucking do it with pride.

My brother is younger then me, and sits and watches the news because “its important.” He cannot watch “stupid shit.” And dresses like hes a 58 jewish accountant. I sit there and sometimes play Super Mario. Who gets laid more? In fact, I even tell girls what I’m doing. Because I enjoy it. He paints a picture of “I’m doing my work, watching news” because he’s been conditioned to believe it’s what is “right.”

However, again with immaturity, you need to have the essentials nailed on. Have a job/business, be well groomed, be in decent shape, and also have a bit of fucking personality. But also the immaturity thing only when it matters. Do not make a fart joke in a job interview. As you won’t be taken seriously. However take the piss out of your employer to be and you’ll stand a serious chance of getting the job better then being straight laced.

Remember, in a party, and in life, the hot girls are in fact attracted to the guy who has abundance and doesn’t take himself serious. There are PLENTY of women who will take your “immaturity” or lets call it “the kid in you” and smile, laugh and fucking love it about you. I once was at a party with my ex, and she was saying “Oh he loves his PS4, silly bastard” and I told her I heard her say it and she said later that night “boys will be boys.” Back in high school the jocks that fucked about and did dumb shit got all the girls.

The biggest and most fun guy will always get most girls. If you enjoy star wars enjoy it. Do not be with the girl/people who think its immature or childish as they are NOT the people for you. They literally suck the fun and life out of you.

Lastly, women and even adults WELL into their 40s and 50s sit down after a "hard day" and watch bullshit on Netflix for hours, or waste their lives stalking strangers on Instagram. Yet thats "social networking" and saving the mushroom princess is "childish."

Immaturity is something that was invented by feminists. Enjoy your life. Do whatever you want. And throw it back at women if they give to you. "Oh you take countless selfies? What are you 11? Bit immature."

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 105 points106 points  (10 children)

I’m Alpha now, I’m better then everyone

Having high SMV is just a rating of how fuckable you are. Think about that hot bitch who has such an awful personality that you could probably only hatefuck her. Is she really better than everyone because she has high SMV? Nupe. Even low SMV people sometimes have useful things you can learn from them. (Even if it is sometimes just what not to do in social situations.)

Good nuanced piece.

[–]marty2k 7 points8 points  (4 children)

That's a really good point, but one distinction that should be made is SMV for men is tied to their personality.

A woman can be high SMV but unlikable, bitchy, and uninteresting and have the exact same SMV as an equally attractive woman who's nice, interesting, funny, etc.

For men it's different. Yes, SMV is almost like a light switch, either you're off (beta bux) or in (alpha fux). But there is a difference between a true alpha and a Chad. A Chad is confident to the point of arrogance, has a good body, has friends, and doesn't give a fuck. But he's the absolute lowest on the scale of alpha. Just enough to get the fux and induce the tingles.

The dream alpha for just about any girl is someone who has that confidence, body, dominance, and swagger, but is also a genuinely good likable person who's living a great purpose in life. The kind of guy who could treat everyone like shit and get away with it, but doesn't. The guy who could get away with being an uninteresting douche but has tons of hobbies and passions. The guy who could get laid even if he just spent all day smoking pot in his mom's basement but claims life by the balls every day. Girls who are around guys like that frequently (celebrities, models, etc) won't give it up on any drunk night to any random Chad douche, they have a certain tingle resistance.

The thing is those guys are the 1% of the 1%. Many women won't even be in the same room as a man like that, let alone be high value enough herself to fuck him. Chad is generally the best alpha they can get, maybe the rare mid level alpha.

Funny enough, for guys like that, those issues that don't effect SMV like personality for most guys start making the difference. He can fuck dozens of 9's and 10's in the looks department, but doesn't want to waste his time with one's he can't enjoy post-coitus.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure I'm on board with the whole levels of alpha thing, but it makes for interesting reading and as a concept it is not unreasonable.

Though I recently noticed the announcement of a piece of research that was concluding women are more attracted to altruistic men. I haven't looked into it in detail so I'm unsure on the specifics. However that might be something you should look up to further your theory there.

[–]dingman58 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good points all around. Bravo.

[–]billcosbyeatsbabies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i never thought of it like that, but there is certainly a difference between a poon slayer and a dude who actually succeeds in life as well as fucks boatloads of pussy.

[–]endogenic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Perhaps I misunderstand SMV but I thought it was additive--if one has an undesirable quality it detracts from the sum. So despite being hot a toxic person remains perceived as a cause of concern and obstacle to relations to the sensible individual.

If I misunderstand I would appreciate your guidance.

[–]2IVIaskerade 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It is, but sometimes being a raging bitch will overshadow everything else and lower your SMV to "unfuckable" despite being 6'2" and jacked like a car with a flat tyre (though you'd have to be really egregious about it).

[–]onepill_twopill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. I knew a really annoying bloke at school. He spoke in a dull voice, stood too close to people in conversation and discussed things with people that the other party clearly wasn't interested in. I saw myself doing one or two of these things, and bam, problem solved

[–]live_for_friction 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Right. I would characterize some of the thoughts by newer members as unnecessarily adversarial, and overall unempathetic. Even when you're right on top of your game, you're not towering above the rest of the world, you're just another guy on top of your shit.

[–]The_Reddit_Wanderer 26 points26 points [recovered]

As a newer fellow around here, it felt good to read this (both the OP and your reply).

TRP helps to attract women, but I felt like a lot people were posting things like you mentioned (adversarial/unempathetic thoughts). I don't think that's the type of person I am, or could ever be. Raising my SMV is one thing, changing my personality seemed like another.

Just being a guy "with his shit together" seems like a more worthy goal to aspire to, at least to me.

[–]live_for_friction 4 points5 points  (0 children)

TRP isn't a prescription, it's just advice from people that know the score. If you're doing bluepill stuff like dropping mad money on a chick you've never met or not pursuing abundance you're going to spend a lot more time sinking than swimming in pursuit of your goals.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A textbook TRP man is a 2-dimensional stock character that women can see coming from a mile away.

A man who thinks for himself and incorporates TRP principles into his life without making them central to who he is, that man is creative and critical and interesting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 128 points129 points  (48 children)

A slut by definition is a woman who has many casual sex partners. Whether or not we choose to label a woman as such, is our own business.

Now if we as guys wish to have a lot of sex with many women, we must resolve our feelings. Some men are turned off by the fact that women on the average have a lot of casual sex. Many of them will have more partners than the average man.

To resolve these issues, we must learn to accept that this is the true nature of women. We know these women are sluts, and we accept that fact. At the end of the day, I am going to have sex with these sluts. Deep down, it is indeed a turn off, but sex is sex.

Now... I am not obligated to date these women nor commit myself to them. So I keep sex and relationships in different spheres. As long as men can disconnect any sort of connection between the two, they will be able to resolve their feelings.

[–]NaughtyFred 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I didn't expect to read something in this thread that would help me resolve the issue you raise. Thanks

[–]tb87670 8 points9 points  (30 children)

My number one nag about the casual sex women have is health issues. Notably STD's. More partners greatly increases the risks of Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, and HSV 1/2. The Herpes one, that's the one that scares me. Lots of people have it now, and lots of places refuse to test for it because of the bs excuse that it will just 'add stress' to the life of a person that is asymptomatic. So what? Even if you don't show symptoms you can pass it along to another person. That isn't right. This is my hang-up about women with high partner counts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 8 points9 points  (26 children)

What's even scarier to note about STDs is that women are often less paranoid about it, and more willing to have sex with someone who does have an STD. It doesn't mean that women are more likely to forego a condom if they knew that a guy had it, but in the heat of the moment, they may just forget about using a condom.

Given that women have higher transmission rates than men for many, if not all, the diseases, it is very alarming.

[–]berryfarmer 4 points5 points  (19 children)

imagine getting a bacteria or virus that triggered an autoimmune disease accompanied with chronic fatigue syndrome, neutering the ability to lift and ending one's career

yes, this is a real scenario, fucking some random strange is not worth it, this happens more often than most are aware of

[–]FrugalFroggy 0 points1 point  (18 children)

chronic fatigue syndrome

Do you have that? What causes this shit?

[–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (16 children)

My personal opinion is it is a side effect of severe intestinal dysbiosis which is mediated by a faulty immune system, a possible "last domino" trigger in the development of this fault being common viruses/bacteria. I had it, or something like it, so severely that I could not walk at one point. 2 years later I'm able to walk 5+ miles now, getting better daily, pill free.

[–]FrugalFroggy 1 point2 points  (14 children)

How did you get better? Seriously?

[–]berryfarmer 4 points5 points  (13 children)

edit: the iodine protocol

I'm not at 100% yet, but am making progress with water-fasting and whole-foods plant-based diets. Experimenting a lot with resistant starch (beans/peas/lentils) lately with good results. Had DNA testing (Genova 2200) done on intestinal flora a year ago, some pathogenic species were overgrown an order of magnitude outside of normal range. Water fasting resets the immune system and lets flora die off so that new colonies may be started -- I've done over a dozen of them now ranging from 1 to 6 days each. The most agonizing experiences I've ever had, and in the weeks following I'm astounded at the gains that are made and how much better I feel. It always feels worth it. Joel Fuhrman has, by far, the most well cited book in existence on the subject.

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I've been dealing with something similar for years now. If I eat paleo my symptoms go away but one night of drinking and pizza and it could take me a couple weeks to get back on track.

Planning to start another water fast today. I've done many 1-2 day fasts with 3 days being my longest. I want to make it 4 days this time. From what I've read anything longer than 4 days will give diminished results.

Fasting And Its Benefits by Thinking Ape

[–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If I eat paleo my symptoms go away

In my opinion, an unprocessed, starch-based, McDougall-style diet may lend even greater results. Paleo can result in a disfigured microbiome, while starch repairs it -- the microbiome being a key component of CFS in the eyes of many theorists, myself included.

From what I've read anything longer than 4 days will give diminished results.

The peak days of restoration occur between 10 and 14 days. 4 days is barely long enough to enter ketosis for a male.

Joel Fuhrman has continued the classic fasting works by Herbert Shelton, his 1995 book representing the apex of water fasting literature. It's worth the read!

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Another thing: I learned that intense exercise makes it take longer to heal (reach homeostasis). I was doing crossfit for a couple years and I decided to stop and do some fasting so I could give myself time to completely heal. Problem is that instead I fell back into old habits and started smoking and drinking again and made things worse. (Lost my dog to the ex. I had to cut ties and he's better off with her. Long story.)

Without the exercise to keep me focused I begin my self-medicating stupidity. Now I've got got myself in a deep hole that I need to climb out of (again). I want to be lifting so bad but I need to fast and heal before I start.

Fucking sucks and it's so hard to stay clean. I was doing awesome for a couple months and then had some drinks and pizza on a date last weekend. That's the hardest part for me, staying strict with my diet on a date. I don't want her to know I have this problem and can't drink. Thought it would be okay, but it's not worth it. Well, she wasn't worth it.

[–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I learned that intense exercise makes it take longer to heal

This is only true in the case that the body is taking in toxins regularly (i.e. the paleo diet), or has uncleared toxins still present. I believe you're correct in the alternate case.

Intense lifts help push nutrients into our tissues, in my opinion. A nice green smoothie followed by a session of lifting failures makes me feel great personally. This was not the case before performing over a dozen fasts, however.

Lifting will result in the formation of free radicals. If the body is unclean, and already overloaded, you're right, it will likely make things worse.

That's the hardest part for me, staying strict with my diet on a date. I don't want her to know I have this problem and can't drink. Thought it would be okay, but it's not worth it. Well, she wasn't worth it.

In my opinion, focus on yourself for a while. Time not spent healing properly is time taken away from your future self. Even a 10/10 isn't worth it if you're not healthy enough to enjoy her to the fullest.

[–]babysharkdudududu 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm surprised they haven't had you do a poop transplant to reset your gut bacteria even more, it's common enough now that knowing you have issues like that they'd recommend it, I'd think

[–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I believe poop transplants are for people who don't have the self determination to carry out water fasts, which is 99.9% of people. Without the immune system reset inherent in water fasting the patient won't receive as much benefit from a poop transplant because they body will kill off a large number of the new bacteria being transplanted. Part of what makes us sick with a faulty immune system is the body kills some good bacteria and lets bad ones fester.

[–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah, the one thing I'm so surprised is women initially saying no to raw-dog penetration and after a bit of warming up of the area & generating a steady flow of pussy-juice, you can glide right in without protection.

But I absolutely love and enjoy it much more without a condom wrapped around it. And the idea of coming inside a girl, is a thrilling thought. And I feel so much more, especially her wetness. It becomes quite the challenge to stop, wrap it up, and quickly stick it in before it gets lump.

[–]fingerthemoon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

before it gets lump

Probably too late for that bud. Lumps that is.

[–]reigorius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, the i is so close to the u

[–]marty2k 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The Herpes one, that's the one that scares me. Lots of people have it now, and lots of places refuse to test for it because of the bs excuse that it will just 'add stress' to the life of a person that is asymptomatic.

Wait, what!? What sort of feminist, slut-saving, feel good BS is that? Do cancer doctors say "well he has cancer but is only stage one with no tumors, better not stress him out"?

Regardless I have two rules:

1) Use condom and wash cock n' balls after every time. Probably close to triple digits than farther now and haven't had a problem.

2) Only have unprotected sex with women if they get tested and show me the results. If they show resistance, than it's almost guaranteed the got diseases on their cooch.

[–]199639 3 points4 points  (1 child)

and wash cock n' balls

I don't think that's going to be effective.

[–]coffeecult 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, it's good advice, but not for what it appears to be for.

[–]redolas 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Well, does it matter ... really? I mean you're not going to have kids with her, so it shouldn't matter how many men she had before. If anything, having been with a lot of men, only means that she has a lot of experience. So you can have more fun with her.

If she's a slut (or not) only matters in LTR. Even then, only if you want to have babies with her. One-night stands don't qualify. If you feel bad about it, then ... your options are limited. If she's easy to get to ... she's had more men. If she's not easy ... she may not sleep with you. Unless you provide a ring. And ... that's a losing bet anyway. It's better to understand and accept the reality of it.

All women use men either for sex or money/favors. There is no friendship, we know that. AF/BB. They're all sluts. Focus on her naked body, and forget morals. It'll help you in the sack.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 24 points25 points  (4 children)

If you feel bad about it, then ... your options are limited.

That's the problem that most men have. It's an issue that they need to resolve if they want to have sex with many women.

On a side note though, men tend to fall for sluts very often, and that's often a side effect of not understanding that sluts have to conceal their histories very well.

[–]martypete 7 points7 points [recovered]

That's the problem that most men have. It's an issue that they need to resolve if they want to have sex with many women.

I remember the day I resolved this. I was banging a girl and noticed she had a collection of envelopes from a guy deployed to a different state for the army. Thinking of what this guy must have thought had he known I was nailing his one-itis crush, this is when it clicked that LTR material and casual bang material are two very different things.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A commonly played out trope on TV: when the girlfriend goes off to college, she will often cheat on her long-distance boyfriend, but she will still keep him around.

It's supposed to be something of a cliche but it turns out being very true. Many girls will cheat on their boyfriends, but remain in long-distance relationships, until they either (1) secure another partner or (2) are about to be exposed.

In college, I knew of many coeds who were in this situation, and I even banged a few myself. Had I known more at the time, I would've likely been able to bang most, if not all of them. Girls in long-distance relationships are far easier than single girls.

[–]pisspoordecisions 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Honestly, in my experiences women who have been in a few long term relationships are exponentially better in bed than girls who sleep around...they've been with someone long enough to take the time and learn what gets a guy off. Women who sleep around are never with someone long enough to give a shit.

[–]redolas 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Still, she is sleeping around, she already had a few boyfriends. Some would call her a slut for this.

Simply calling a slut because she wants to fuck you is the issue here, as per the posting above.

Where do you draw the line? That's a personal preference. But if that line is at the bedroom - as soon as she is willing to fuck - then the bar is set too high. And it's a sure way to lots of disappointment. That's what I wanted to point out.

[–]GuitarHero07 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Sluts are great and are always a lot of fun. Just make sure you keep them firmly in the plate category and do not enter into an LTR with them.

There are still some chaste women out there. If they have other desirable qualities, these are the ones you would pursue serious LTRs and possibly children with. Just know that they won't have exceptional blowjob skills because they didn't have a ton of practice like the sluts.

[–]LittleRedBirdie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Adding to that, if you want the chaste women, pursue them while you're young and use a different strategy from scoring sluts. The chaste women choose their serious LTRs before they're 25, and often before 20.
If you spend all your 20s plating sluts, your non-slut options for LTRs will be socially awkward/bitchy career women and some divorcees.

[–]GuitarHero07 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be fair, men can date considerably younger. Obviously it does get a little harder to date 21 year olds seriously if you're 55 but it's not unusual for a 30 year old to date a 23 year old for example.

[–]C_D_O 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Some men are turned off by the fact that women on the average have a lot of casual sex.

Millenials plain aren't having sex. Which is why I'm constantly harping on about the mythology here that women are having loads of sex and guys arent. Its actually a serious issue for white countries if the TFR keeps dropping as people become more socially atomized.

The common retort to this is that women lie about their partner count in self-report studies, and yes this is true. But no one can explain why young women are reporting less sexual partners now than previous generations when it was far more taboo and shameful to engage in casual sex.

The amount of sexually active young people is getting smaller and smaller. the irony of the millenial generation - hypersexualized but less sexual.

Why a lot of guys get cheated on is due to the aforementioned atomization, and lack of real relationships and community between people. And because within that smaller pool of fucking people, you are going to run into more sluts.

AWALT is an abused principle I feel. Its meant to be instructive, not definitive. You should approach relationships with caution, not giving them out to women by default. But I'm preaching to the choir there. I'm saying this to point out that certain aspects of TRP have reached a mythology where guys have a distorted world view where they approach every woman thinking in terms of outmaneuvering her before she outmaneuvers you, in the process, they will be myopically missing decent women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women may be reporting less sexual partners, but that doesn't mean they aren't having sex. The taboo is more or less gone, but the stigma of being a slut is still there.

For the most part, many of these young women do not care if betas judge them. Got called a slut by many betas? Not much of an issue. But the guys at the top... if they're calling these girls sluts, then these girls will have problems. The guys at the top are very unlikely to commit to slutty girls.

That is why in younger social circles, you will not hear much about girls having sex with guys, but I can guarantee you that many of them are having sex. Maybe they may not be having that many different partners because there simply aren't that many top tier men. But the only people missing out on the sex are men who aren't of high stature.

[–]C_D_O 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but that doesn't mean they aren't having sex

i was exaggerating for effect. I didnt mean everyone literally turned into virgins, but the idea that its one big hedonistic fuckfest out there is patently false. Millenials are having less sex on average than their parents. The interesting part is they think everyone but themselves is having lots of sex.

This is product of hypersexualized culture. Millenials talk about sex, think about sex and signal about sex more than previous generations, yet have less of it.

The idea that every woman out there has a secret list as long as her arm of men shes not telling you about is a gross exaggeration, and likely a outgrowth of nerd neurosis about women. Women and men are reporting less partners on average, because they are having less partners on average.

[–]adr007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I've been bothered for a long time by this. I need to come to terns with this and put in the hard work to screen for women with as low a n-count as possible.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Good points. I especially like the "I’m Alpha now, I’m better then everyone" piece.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 11 points12 points  (4 children)

This made me chuckle:

"...if Clooney was in a room with your mother, guess what? I think she'd fuck him... ...the right amount of game, alcohol and I guess attractive looks gets you that bang quicker then other girls. Now is she a slut? Not necessarily so. You may have been her "Clooney" there and then. Women are acting on impulse which you excite..."

She fucks you on the first night? She's a slut. The "first night" is probably the third definition paragraph in Webster's dictionary. The better question is "is she a raging slut?".

Of course, there's the edge case Clooney and then there's everyone else. If you plot desirability versus individual on a graph it would create one hell of an upward shooting asymptotic curve above Clooney. You're no Clooney, nor am I.

Women act on impulse. Sluts especially act on impulse. The non-slut controls her impulses. That is again textbook definition. You're looking to soften the meaning of slut. Again, the right question is more how slutty is she?, we already know she's a slut.

I'm not saying that she's a bad person or has no utility, etc., but a slut is a slut and by definition she's unrestrained and she's impulsive and if a mere non-Clooney mortal gets in her pants on the first night then by definition she's a slut and will fall well within TRP standard behaviours for sluts. It's textbook. Now is she a raging slut? Nah, she's probably not.

I'm going to assume that you're relatively young because it amazes me everyday to see how the younger generation of men have truly normalised slut behaviour. Non-sluts go out of their way to actively avoid sleeping on the first night, they view that as making a mistake.

[–]Geleemann 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Spot on. Every female is a slut, it's just the magnitude of slutiness that is the difference

[–]Redasshole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love sluts. Easy and good sex. Thanks feminism!

[–]-rubashov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quality comment. I was falling into the trap described in the last paragraph. Thanks for taking the time.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It's easy to fall into lazy modes of thinking as you learn personal responsibility. I'm tall and was skinny for a long time. The easiest thing in the world is to see a dude at the gym who's put in years of effort and think "roidz" as a way to hamster away my own failings.

Re: Pussy Friends

Often, I want to share TRP with buddies. And then I think of the men in my life who tried to warn me about my BP ways-- there was brainwash, but there were a lot of clues too. I wish I would have found TRP sooner, but what a useless wish. How many times did we see the edges of the truth and deny it anyway? If had found TRP any sooner, I would have hated it.

Ultimately, I say nothing. You're not ready to hear it until you're ready to hear it. At least you know.

[–]WishfulTraveler 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I have a question for you. If the bloke that took your seat didn't give it back what would you have done?

[–]KingRead 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I would extend my hand out to my date and say "shall we go home now"

[–]Diabolical_Nuke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Playing video games is shamed by women because they suck at them.

[–]daddymonsterpoodle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nice article. Alpha DOES NOT mean macho douchebag.

[–]JosephVFawks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't add anything that wasn't already said in earlier comments. Just wanted to commend you on a great write up. Saved and printed.

[–]TomFoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there is NO historical evidence, none whatsoever that we at any given age have to grow up and be mature.

Immaturity is one way to say it. Another way is freedom or joie de vivre. TRP is a gift, so don't waste it. Sexual strategy is one thing, but immersing oneself in deep gratification on who you are, what you have accomplished, etc, this is priceless.

I needed this reminder. Thanks.

[–]ThedragonCarnage 1 point2 points  (1 child)

For a guy to make his woman his world, is not a beta. He’s a lost man. He gets up and goes to bed thinking about his partner. He may work in between, and do some other bullshit, but his goal is his partner.

well, if you ARE that guy...what should you do?

[–]InsanityTrack 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Focus on yourself. Act in YOUR best interest. Set goals to improve yourself. Branch out and try new experiences/activities meet new people.

[–]Tipsy_Gnostalgic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

-C.S. Lewis

[–]workdavework 1 point2 points  (0 children)


What is this?

[–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (31 children)

I’m Alpha now, I’m better then everyone I remember stepping into a club just after reading TRP for the first time. I was with a mate. We sat in the corner like a bunch of fags, thinking we were above everybody else. Now, I talk to everyone. Im a peoples person. I can obviously see the faults in a loser, or an obese omega, yet I’ll speak to them. Because I like people. Read “how to win friends and influence people” and notice that being a recluse isn’t the answer. Its boring, dull and depressing.

Absolutely correct.

Frame and Game are two separate things.

Frame allows you the personal boundries to not feel the beta neediness to grovel at other peoples feet and those new to Red Pill will often go for the "strong silent routine" which is an improvement, but not really top level yet.

Game is the ability to go out and talk with anyone and effortlessly bend them to your will and you usually are perceived as a great guy that people like being around. Be the life of the party... be a mover and a shaker... do something.

I sit there and sometimes play Super Mario.

Okay, now here is why this is not good advice. Video games are just a stupid distraction. You could be learning something of value or could be doing something interesting like a hobby. When you play video games you are saying:

"I lack the ability to create my own fun."

Get off that smack... do stuff in the real world.


[–]Jigsus 13 points14 points  (17 children)

Distractions are important every once in a while.

[–]NeoreactionSafe -2 points-1 points  (16 children)

Here's my take on it...

If you are going to have a hobby make that hobby something that is an outlet for your creative energies.

Do something original.

Video games are entirely preprogrammed so that you are just following the creative vision of someone else. You are being the "bitch" of some programmers genius.

By creating your own things in your hobbies you become the male energy in the world.

It can be any hobby. For me I've had hobbies that involved welding, fiberglass creations, electricity, I'm into just about everything.

Expand your horizons beyond the preprogrammed realities.


[–]Jigsus 31 points32 points  (15 children)

By that logic I can't enjoy a book or a movie because it was written by someone else. Don't you think that's a little extreme?

We have to acknowledge that we can't be creative and independent 100% of the time.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children)

I think Neoreaction's point is that we should spend more time creating new things ourselves and less time consuming other people's creations.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Few people have had an original thought in their lifetimes.

Seriously... very few.

[–]greatsalteedude 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm a newbie here. Can you please explain?

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (4 children)

To have an original thought you first must have a solid Frame because otherwise others will influence you and all your work will be derivative.

Creativity is even higher than Frame because you are at the level of Game which is the bending of reality. One cannot bend reality unless you are aware of the creative chaos that is the true reality which is different than the false ordered reality that the Blue Pill emotionally indoctrinates into you.

So to have a truly unique thought.. to be an artist... to be creative... you must be an enlightened being and most people just aren't that way.

Most people are Beta slaves who don't think for themselves.

Some are Natural Alphas that might have low IQ (not always, but often) and they don't create because they are just animals to the core so creation doesn't interest them.

In the end maybe 5% or less of the human population actually creates anything and those will be mostly all men because women are even less creative.


[–]Benny757 2 points3 points  (1 child)

unless you are aware of the creative chaos that is the true reality which is different than the false ordered reality that the Blue Pill emotionally indoctrinates into you.

How true this is, Neo, how true. Bending reality takes deep, deep thought, and even more-so, life changing experiences. Sometimes you must face the abyss, and let it look up into you, and shake you a bit....

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The funny thing is how I can write something and one person says "yeah that's some great stuff" and another says my ideas are nonsense.

All I do is stick to what I have learned at this point, but if I see better ideas before me I'm not ashamed to take them.


[–]cynicalprick01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

creativity is overrated.

I would much rather be useful and happy.

besides, creatives are often deeply troubled inside.

people decide the meanings of their lives. no need to put down someone because theirs doesn't match yours. Your advocating creativity doesnt really have anything to do with TRP anyways other than a link you perceived between creativity and frame that I, frankly, just dont understand.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I find that to be a more compelling argument against what you were arguing above rather than for it.

Why bother doing something "original" if it's probably just something that's already been done?

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't reinvent the wheel too many times now can you?

[–]NeoreactionSafe -1 points0 points  (2 children)

By that logic I can't enjoy a book or a movie because it was written by someone else. Don't you think that's a little extreme?

If you read the same book 100 times I think that's just a waste of time because you aren't learning anything. Sometimes a book can be so profound that it can be read many times, but those are few.

The question must always be:

"Am I learning anything of value?"

...if you admit you are not learning anything but are still having the urge to play you have a pattern of addiction.


[–]chaseemall 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do think that some video games can be useful. Video games which teach you or change you or force you to think differently are useful. These are worth your time.

It's an art medium like any other, being taken from mindless distraction to thoughtful tool for growth.

That being said I'm not really sure what games that entails. XCOM might be in that category, as would that game where you control your country's border.

Presidents and such have found Diplomacy worth their time. Video games can be a more interactive version of such a game.

The question must always be:

"Am I learning anything of value?"

This is spot on.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love board games like Monopoly or Risk or Diplomacy.

Anything that creates social interaction is good.

Sitting in a basement playing a video game over and over seems to be a waste.

Red Pill is good semi-social interaction... it's better to chat at a bar though.


[–]redolas -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

It depends on the book. Is it ... Agatha Christie? Is it porn? Is it the news, or the daily tabloid? Then you're not learning, you're just wasting time. Same as playing a video game.

But if you're reading a self-help book, or similar, then you're improving yourself. You're working on rewiring your brain with the help of some other dude's ideas. Not just any dude, mind you, but the one that has been pre-selected by you.

On the other hand, if you're playing some sort of game that teaches you something ... I don't know ... it makes you practice a language, build a house, etc ... then even a video game can be useful.

Unfortunately, most of today's games only teach you how to click really fast on a mouse button. It would be nice to see some games that are helpful in some ways. Because that is the real purpose of games/playing for children - teaches them necessary skills for survival. It worked well for us. But then playing was hijacked by the entertainment industry.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, most of today's games only teach you how to click really fast on a mouse button.

Many are simply reaction time games.


[–]Physio_Tool 8 points9 points  (10 children)

An alpha does what the fuck he wants, not what other people tell him he should be doing

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Alpha means Frame and Game.

IDGAF is a MGTOW behavior... once you expand into Game you get involved in the world beyond yourself.

The Alpha is outcome independent in his Game play... but he is paying attention.

Idiots (individuals) are not Alpha.

Basically you can't withdraw from reality into a shell of indifference to be a successful Alpha male, you have to be able to act and bend reality through your choices.

I guess I'm just saying the "passive Game" is a lessor Game to the extroverted kind.


[–]cynicalprick01 0 points1 point  (2 children)

jesus dude, I cant express how pretentious you are coming across as right now.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Freedom is Frame.

Liberty is Game.

A man can have freedom on his ranch far away from town.

That man can only have liberties when he goes to town to get something.

Man is a social animal.



[–]tallwheel -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Technically, I would say MGTOW can be alpha. It's just a question of whether the IDGAF guy cares about getting laid or not.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (2 children)

A guy with strong Frame (MGTOW) can definitely get laid... that Frame is attractive to women.

I call the guy with Frame but no true Game someone with "passive Game".

It's the "strong silent guy" that looks good.


[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The guy with passive game could still be alpha. Definitely not saying that most MGTOW are alpha or anything like that, but I think it is possible (albeit rare) for a MGTOW to be alpha.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again it depends on your definition.

Red Pill generally regards Alpha as the highest level and to lack full Game capacity seems to contradict the highest concept.

You may interpret abstractions any way you like... they are just symbols.


[–]endogenic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't the sensible man want what is in his own best interest?

[–]2IVIaskerade -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

not what other people tell him he should be doing

Just like how you're telling us what "an alpha" does.

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[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I'm not trying to come down too hard on the guy.

But it's good to plant that seed of doubt about what you are doing if you are overly addicted to something.

My younger brother plays video games on his free time, but works at a Casino and is the most social guy around. He's got incredible Game. (top 1% in my opinion... actually better than me)


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good pep talk! I'm off to the damn gym! I don't know about anyone else but when I haven't been to the gym yet my brain feels constipated.

[–]Ojisan1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quality post, although you've got to tell the star wars jumper story. That sounded too funny to pass by.

Edit: never mind, didn't realize jumper in British vernacular meant sweater. It sounded to me like you went on a date in a onesie, like a child's pajamas.

[–]Azora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't stand people saying that steroids are cheating. Users of them still have to put in a fuckload of effort to make them useful. Most users only use when they've hit a high plateau.

[–]adr007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really needed this. Was getting too into TRP and spending all my time judging everything through red pill lenses. I ended up like your brother taking things too seriously.

What do you say is a good balance to TRP in our lives?

[–]notjaffo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very useful post. A lot of guys misinterpret the advice in this sub, thinking that being "Alpha" requires being an asshole.

I really like this "engage everyone" advice, a reminder that it's possible to show benevolence and kindness without turning it towards weakness.

Also useful advice about BP friends. You can't save them and you can't reason with them. They've been raised their whole lives to put women first, raised to think that serving women is the only thing that gives their lives meaning.

You can't replace a lifetime of conditioning with a couple speeches. Lead them to the knowledge and let them take it when they're ready.

It's frustrating as hell, but you can't force it.

[–]Josewasframed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Pussification of Friends section was me 100%. Since finding TRP, I feel like I "awoke". Now I'm not comparing to a religious experience, but definitely life-changing. And now I can't stop analyzing my friends' situations. So much blue pill thinking and events. I think their girlfriends can tell I'm RP and their bfs (my friends) are BP.

For example, I think I was with my friend and his gf and he said something BP or she did something and he responded in a BP way, but whatever it was, it was BP on his part. And she looked at me. She saw how BP he looked at her and she eyes me like WTF? I could read her mind, saying, "You're a RP guy, you understand. Look how BP he is, but I'm with him anyways".

I didn't so much agree with your Immaturity section.

It was well-thought out, but I found it highly debatable. I'd say it all comes down to your personality rather than your level of immaturity. By this I mean that some of my friends are loud, always on, video game playing, goofy clothes wearing guys that don't get much ass at all. And I know other alpha guys that are more reserved and "grown up" that slay. So, I'd say immaturity has nothing to do with it as RP is RP with or without your immaturity. A guy who gets women can be immature, sure, if the rest of his persona brings it all together. And likewise a ladies man can also be a responsible, stoic male figure if his way is in tune with RP.

[–]TheZooveGroover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said all that needed to be said in your first sentence. The red pill is an ideology, and ideologies are lenses, not the object which the lens observes. When someone becomes ideologically fixated they begin believing that the lens is perfect, or even that the lens doesn't exist. And when people start believing they understand the TRUTH, religions are formed.

[–]Thizzlebot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has been one of the most on point posts on TRP ever. This checks your ego and shows how you can still be the best. Great work OP. Seriously, I mean it.

[–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She wants to fuck me, shes a slut

Dude, every girl is a slut. There are some who choose to act on their slutty impulses and some who choose not to but having those slutty impulses in the first place is enough to conclude that deep down, they are sluts.

The Pussification of Friends

Spot on. Here is what happened to me as a result of helping people and especially beta friends

  • anger and attack directed towards me

  • if they listen, they use their new found power against me

[–]TrpAggroThrowAway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One thing I struggle with is deciding if she's a slut or not.

Okay girl A fucked first night. She's 19.

Girl B fucked 3rd night. She's 22.

Is Girl B not a slut?

No, girl B might be a recovering slut who stopped fucking first night after she fucked 30 dudes first night and realized everyone knew because they talked about how quick she fucked.

For this reason I'll never LTR any female. Main plate is my highest rank.

[–]PabloEscoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part of being repdill is adopting a machiavellian approach in your interaction with the blue pill world. This entails maintaining a friendly & non threatening persona with mere mortals. Don't be a dick just because you have red pill knowledge. Nice contribution from OP.

[–]OverDragon42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is a omega bad bc what I just read off urban dictionary. Makes them seem as alphas just with "I don't really care what you do I'll be over here" attitude

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This has always confused me, on one hand AWALT and any woman is a slut for the right guy and on the other hand "major red flag to settle down or date a girl who fucks you the minute you meet her". So basically you can't settle down and date anyone because any girl will sleep with the right guy as soon as they meet. Anyone care to explain?

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 6 points7 points  (1 child)

AWALT refers to a woman's tendencies. It does not state that all women are that, but rather that all women are capable of it, hence "all women are like that".

You basically want to find the best suitable partner if you're thinking long term. TRP identifies many red flags that would disqualify women from being LTRs (ie. has had many sexual partners). There's nothing to say that you can't settle down, but it all boils down to odds.

Your odds of having a successful relationship with a prude, average-looking woman is very high, but it wouldn't be satisfying. On the contrary, a wild, gorgeous woman is likely to wreck you in a relationship, but she's attractive. It's the tradeoff that TRP subscribers must understand.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, this helps my understanding!

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone care to explain?

No. Spoon-feeding you would stunt your potential.

The process of reaching the solution to this particular quandary is just as important to your development as the solution itself.

[–]The__Tren__Train -5 points-4 points  (9 children)

using steroids isn't cheating outside of tested sports

you bitches really need to get that shit through your heads

[–]yuube 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I know what you're saying and I'm not against steroids. For some people it is cheating though, its a test of their discipline not to take an easier route

[–]The__Tren__Train 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Discipline has nothing to do with it. Steroids make u able to work harder.

Sure, if ur juicing and still moving light weights or just doing beach muscles then you're a bitch. But the users I know train way harder and are way more focused and disciplined than the natural guys.

Being natural, u will never get there. Ever. Unless you have comically modest goals.

Life is short, youth is shorter, take shortcuts

[–]yuube 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look I get it, my own father was a yoked motherfucker 20 something inch arms steroid user benching 500, 600 lbs. I'm all for athletes pushing their bodies as far as possible, I think those guys are true champions, I wish places like the UFC would allow steroids.

With that said, most people are not taking steroids to push their bodies to the farthest point possible, for those people, they shouldn't take steroids. Those are the people it would be considered cheating for.

[–]daprospecta 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Steroids are not natural. If I can't get the body I want from natural means then I'm not supposed to have it. Steroids is the easy way out no matter how you look at it. I'm not saying juicing means you don't hit the gym hard but you will get three times the results of someone not juicing. Just in case you are wondering, I am a former D1 athlete who has friends who juiced and I know what I'm talking about.

[–]The__Tren__Train 1 point2 points  (2 children)

nobody is saying that steroids don't make things easier, or that they are natural.

it's just the idea of calling it 'cheating', when used recreationally just sounds whiny, and quite frankly, very 'beta'.

steroids will allow you to take your body far beyond what it is naturally capable of.. I guess some people are just interested in pushing the limits while others sit around and complain about them lol.

[–]daprospecta 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's the thing, you aren't pushing the limit. You are creating an unnatural new limit. If you are willing to juice, you can't frown upon someone who gets ass injections etc.

[–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ass injections? what do u mean by that? lol

[–]yasthegreatest 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I dont do roids but your right. Clowns think pop roids grow muscle.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok he cheated but again so what?

Steroids are not cheating. That is bluepill thinking.

[–]unlockedshrine -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

I (not to brag) slept with 12 different women in 2015. A new record for me personally, not that its important.

Why mention it then. Ah right, it's important for you and also qualifies you as a slut.

[–]interestedplayer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

There is no such thing as a male slut.

By definion slut is a woman who tries to "play" an r selection, but cant (biologically, as she cant have more than 1 child at the same time).

For a man, an r selection is a legitimate (if not THE legitimate) strategy.

[–]unlockedshrine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Theres more in life than simple biology. Besides, it's entirely faulty. It's been proven for humanity to be most likely to survive when providing for one woman, not for many, at least until children are fine on their own.

[–]Ricardo2991 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I've slept with 6 girls so far in 2015. No e-brag.

[–]unlockedshrine 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So far? Im interested in how youre going to change that considering its no longer 2015