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Donald Trump teaches us something very important. Never bow down when put on the spot infront of a women. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Upvote_To_The_Left

Trump has had a lot of friction with Fox host Meagon Kelly. Kelly is the most attractive, white, blond “strong independent” women on Fox. She is the darling of the network and the conservative media in a lot of ways. Donald Trump has had some run-ins with her where she's tried to destroy his frame by calling him a misogynist. This is a very direct and effective tactic a women like her can use. She’s attractive and knows it, and can smell even the slightest sense of intimidation in a man. Her acuity for spotting a weak frame is likely far more developed than most normal women’s senses. She knows she can manipulate most men with shame, pressure, directness, event flirtation. These are the tools that the world has shown her work on men. Except when she runs into guys like Donald Trump. Trump can immediately spot manipulation and bullshit in people. More importantly he can spot a situation that WILL NOT be beneficial to him. He saw that situation with Kelly when he was put on the spot by her on national television. She unleashed a super effective shaming tactic on him that he handled perfectly. He stuck to his conviction and didn’t let her topple him. He never looked nervous, and most importantly he never conceived EVEN AN INCH. He then went on to trash talk her and call her a bimbo and refused to debate if she was the moderator.

Trump effectively risked being seen as a huge asshole (moreso than already) simply because he stuck to his convictions. This is a vital lesson to all men. Never ever let the hottest girl in the room manipulate you and break your frame. Never give in. Let’s say you’re having an argument with a hot girl at a party. Tension is rising and people are noticing you arguing with her. She can sense every little change in your comfort level, and she will exploit it without remorse to get her way. She will not feel bad for making you crack and feel nervous. Pressure and nervousness make you doubt your convictions, it generates the voice in your head that says “maybe I’m wrong, maybe this person has a point and I’m being an asshole.” “all these people think I’m an asshole, I should give in a little bit”. DO NOT listen to this voice. This voice is social pressure changing your state and influencing your inner beliefs. This happens a lot around hot girls and conflict.

Let’s say you are flirting with a hot girl at a party. Maybe you say something uncalibrated and she takes offense. She then calls you out on it. Ask yourself, “what would Donald Trump do?” would he apologize? Nope! Even if you make a mistake, NEVER apologize to a girl. Especially when you’re in public. Sometimes you need to welcome the incoming conflict that develops. Don’t run away from it with the excuse of “I don’t want to rock the boat” or “I will look like an asshole” This is EXACTLY what the girl wants you to do and think. This is not about who is right or wrong. You can be 100% wrong and you should STILL stick to your beliefs. I have seen plenty of situations where the person who is wrong still come out on top because they didn’t let some bully or hot chick break their frame.

If you get into a frame battle with a chick, accept it and do not back down. Most people, especially girls will be submissive to people who stick to their convictions no matter what. If a situation needs to turn ugly or awkward because of it. LET IT. Being a man means allowing that shit to happen. Do not be afraid of awkward conflicts. Donald Trump isn’t, and he’s kicking ass regardless if you like him or not.

Stick to your guns.

Don’t be afraid of awkward confrontations and conflict.

Don’t be afraid of being wrong and looking bad in front of others.

Never feel guilt for your beliefs and apologize.


[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child)

Your formatting is absolute shit. But I'm still going to let this stay because the actual content is decent, and I have been hoping for a good writeup of Trump vs. Kelly for some time.

Keep it coming. But fix your shit readability.

[–][deleted] 511 points512 points  (133 children)

Dude is a walking textbook on holding frame.

Jeb- Hey Don, apologize to my wife!

Donald- No

Jeb- ok....

Hillary- Well we all know Donald Trump is a mysoginist!

Donald- You're married to a rapist and helped to silence the victims

Hillary- (radio silence)

[–]Lord_Varys 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I hate Trump but I love that he will actually call Hillary out for her shit.

[–]tb87670 140 points141 points  (79 children)

Exactly. SJW's common tactic of asking for an apology and instead of stopping attacks using said apology to fuel further attacks is a bitch/cunt move but it's their favorite thing to do because it works. But it only works as long as guys apologize. Do not apologize and you can actually bring the debate towards facts, which leftists, SJW's, and feminists never have on their side. Trump is using this to win.

Personally I think Trump is redpill as fuck. See all the hot women he married over the years? He likely naturally learned to deal with them since a young age due to his wealth. No messing around he chose the winning strategy to deal with them and that happens to be something close to redpill tenets. He might not be able to save the country in the next 4 years due to extensive damage by the current administration but he can at least call out this PC culture and make it known the SJW's don't have as much power as people think. Also Megyn Kelly might be conservative but she's my least favorite of the female anchors on Fox. Not sure why she has her own show besides looks and sometimes she messes up her hair to screw that up even.

[–]Vovamas 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I wanted to write about this long ago, especially in the light of recent events. There was a post about the Anglo-Saxon expert, whatever his name may be, who openly hurled a boulder at the feminist camp, even mentioning (and promoting) trp and manosphere ideas in his rant. That brought something to my attention. Since the guy is likely to get hit by a megatsunami of sjw and feminist rage, he (and all of us) need to remember what to do in those situations. SJWs operate not very differently from bullies with a very low confidence. That's why their punitive campaigns usually start very low-key, with phrases like "I am so dissapointed in X, because he said he doesn't believe in wage gap" being the headlines. But if you yield to them even a bit, their self-esteem and sense of own power will quickly swell up, and the bullying will quickly take on more cruel and aggressive forms, i.e. "X is a piece of shit who shouldn't ever be allowed to hold a job". For the same reason they wouldn't leave victims alone for a long time - feeling powerful is highly addictive to the feminized betas that comprise SJW ranks. But by holding the frame, you can scare them off and potentially even win the admiration from females standing behind those spineless cucks.

A lot of non-TRP targets of SJW and feminist harrassment fail to grasp it. They try to compromise with them, or, in the worst case scenario, publicly apologize. This only works if you didn't overstep any "safe" boundaries or your plausible deniability game is strong. Think of Matt Taylor, aka the guy who landed probe on a comet and got roasted for wearing a shirt to the interview that had slightly undressed women on it. He only got spared and managed to keep his job because his "offense" was way too insignificant, and the feminist propaganda machine couldn't really put any spin on their version of the story from there(Matt Taylor is patriarchal a-hole who opresses women in STEM with his misogynistic shirts). And it's not that he emerged a victor from that fight either - his five minutes of public embarassment would mare his reputation and smv for a long time.

TL,DR. Never feel sorry for your actions, especially when SJWs are after your ass.

[–]DroppinHadjisLandR 33 points34 points  (11 children)

I'd really like to see Rand Paul as his VP. He has the experience and intelligence to feed Trump the correct targeting data and Trump has the balls to pull the trigger.

[–]jrr6415sun 17 points18 points  (7 children)

Rand Paul has said a ton of bad things about Trump and definitely hates Trump, there is no way he would be his VP

[–]zenkibudo 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Yes, it is a famous feud. But people and politics are full of surprises. Specifically, if Trump offered Rand Paul the slot, I could see him accepting it, and the tone changing. Rand Paul is, after all a politician. And politicians seize opportunities for advancement; often despite the cost to ego, what have you.

[–]jrr6415sun 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I could see Rand taking the position if it was offered as it would be the next best thing for him, but I don't see Trump as someone that would make someone who has said bad things about him his VP. If trump won't forgive Meagon Kelly, I don't see him being nice to Rand after he called Trump an “orange-faced windbag”, "Gollum" and "A speck of dirt is way more qualified to be president."

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/267039-rand-trump-is-an-orange-faced-windbag

[–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obama and Hillary had brutal fights when they were both running yet he offered her the position he did (though it may have been a deal to keep her from running).

Point is, people say things at this stage but those guys know not to take stuff personally and will make a strategic decision. I definitely would like a Trump/Paul presidency but have my doubts on it happening. I really have no idea who Trumps vp could be.

[–]ANUS_CONE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'd pull a marginal, yet not-insignificant number of the disenfranchised Bernie Sanders millenials from the D's if you put Paul on the Republican ticket.

[–]gardens4lyf 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Law 2: Never Put Too Much Trust In Friends, Learn How To Use Enemies

[–]fingerthemoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd like to see that as well but TPTB will never let a Paul get any real power. He aims to strike at the root of corruption (federal reserve) and that will never be allowed to happen.

Sanders talks about the 1% but it's all bullshit. His policies will only help cement their control and he never talks about the Money Masters. Paul is the only real threat to them and not really much of a threat at that.

[–]rwwman50 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Trump is basically a real life Randian hero. She writes at length in one of her books about how for the left to succeed they need the consent of the people they attack/ scapegoat for society's problems. Trump shows that what Ayn Rand had Reardon do at the trial is actually an effective technique in the real world against SJW/Feminist insults and accusations. Refuse to even grant that their ridiculous grievances have any merit. The second Trump said "only Rossie O'Donnel," even if that wasn't necessarily true, everyone knew he was really saying "I'm actually not sexist, I'm just an asshole who will treat women who corn after me just like men who do. I refuse to grant you or any woman any sort of Special treatment." This resonated with a lot of men, and some women, even if they don't really understand why yet. When people attack you personally there is no reason to give any ground, if you said or did something the only reason to apologize is that YOU think it was wrong, if you apologize for any other reason you not only look weak, but you are now a liar too.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

See all the hot women he married over the years?

His current wife seems alright - fluent in multiple languages (which is no easy feat), her own success as a model, it seems like 5th time the charm for him.

I don't sense she's a gold digger because while she married up (obviously), she has enough talent (and was already a model and talented linguist beforehand) to be successful no matter what.

If they ever divorce, she doesn't seem like the type to fleece him (not that she would be able to, as Donald makes his wives sign pre-nups and Non-disclosure agreements).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Trump is Redpill, indeed (though he was before the term existed so we'll use Alpha).

Keep in mind Bill Clinton was Alpha, as well. I imagine this is why Hillary has done well in politics, from learning from the Alpha that she's been with all these years and emulating Bill.

But emulating only gets you so far. Look at Cruz and O'Malley. They both talk and use gestures like they've been up all night studying Reagan, Kennedy and Clinton tapes. They use mannerisms and pauses that mimic. It's clear, though, that both are actors and second rate actors. And they're doing much worse, and if I may say so, are cringe-worthy to watch.

Trump is genuine...from his confidence and self-assurance. Does he know politics intimately? Not really. He's never held political office. But he's a world class salesman, slinging golf courses and real estate around the world like nobody's business. Can those skill sets transition to a strong presidency? Probably not. But maybe. It's sort of a wild card. The one thing that's for certain is this is the most exciting, weird presidential primary I've ever seen.

[–]macksdowntownsong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does he know politics intimately? Not really. He's never held political office.

He has been involved with politics forever, though indirectly. He is a big name donor to a lot of politicians and he was trying hard to be Bush's pick for VP in 1988.

[–]aa223 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Guac man is the perfect example of someone who loses his frame and a perfect example of someone you shouldn't base your personality on. And Hilary has skeletons bursting out of her closet.

[–]king-schultz 32 points33 points  (45 children)

If that's true, care to explain to me how he's done so incredibly well holding frame in regards to Kelly? Seriously, every single Trump circlejerker on this sub please explain to me how he's held frame with Kelly? Was it the incessant tweeting regarding her? Was it calling her a bunch of highschool names? Was it trashing her over and over and over again? Was it the fact that he hasn't been able to let go of the fact that she asked him a legitimate and fair question? Was it the fact that he refused to do the debate if she was a moderator? Was it the cowardice he displayed by backing out because he was afraid of getting one or two tough questions from a woman? Was it the fact that he tried to get her punished by calling up her boss? Was it the fact that he had his team threaten to slander her if she was kept as moderator? Please explain this incredible example of holding frame?

Please explain it to me because I honestly can't think of more of a textbook example of a celebrity completely loses frame over a woman than Trump losing it over Kelly. In fact, I've never seen a man that's even half as successful as Trump act more insecure in my entire life. No wonder this sub is such a joke when you can't even realize what being a real man is. Hint: It's not going off like a monkey on a string every single time you get criticized or questioned. Especially by a female.

[–]trpftw 54 points55 points  (20 children)

He hasn't. Trump loses frame all the time. He throws temper tantrums and childish immature comments at people like a spoiled brat.

What happened with Megyn Kelly was 5 months ago and he's still throwing tantrums on twitter about it. It's because Trump is a narcissist and he hates that Megyn Kelly didn't get fired or thrown out of debates. He cannot stand someone "opposing trump and getting away with it." It haunts him.

This is exactly what someone would do if they had a huuuuuge fragile ego. Someone who isn't comfortable with themselves and content with themselves would lash out at people like Trump has.

He's basically a beta narcissist bully who happens to be a rich-born billionaire that attracts women.

Remember when Trump deleted a tweet where he said "hillary clinton couldn't satisfy her husband..." Holding frame right? Not misogyny or emotional pussy talk...

Ever heard an alpha criticizing a woman in an intellectual topic for being "sexually incapable"?

I pity the idiots on TRP who look up to Trump as an example of holding frame. He never holds frame, he just doesn't apologize because he's a narcissist.

In TRP we advise people have some confidence and self-respect... but somehow some people have confused that with a disorder like Trump's Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).

No one in TRP would advise someone to date an NPD woman... and yet here there is a thread where people are sucking off beta donald trump.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Trump has 10/10 NPD, but half the stuff you mentioned doesn't necessarily mean he's a narcissist, it means he's a genius promoter. The Megyn Kelly angle is the gift that keeps on giving.

I find this Trump situation fascinating because literally nothing is real. He's an internet troll playing a wrestling heel. Does he really care if she's moderating? Fuck no.

In fact, he'd probably rather the other side made her the moderator in protest. He could call her a cunt on Twitter right after they announced it and be the top news story within 5 minutes.

All right Trump, take my upvote.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Fucking ridiculous. Chivalry is suicide. Megan Kelly doesn't play by these rules, why should he?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fucking right? This is politics, the stakes are real, fuck chivalry.

[–]BradPill 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Every (aspiring) politician is a (natural) narcissist. Feeling special, some savior, on a mission, entitled, superior. Basking in all the (media) attention, waiting for that moment to really shine, winning brownie-points (and the next election, of course).

So yes, Trump is a narcissist. And a bully, as his arguments are often weak - and repeated ad nauseam, which is not convincing (well, to me). However, all other candidates do exactly the same - just in a different voice, about different topics, without attacking journalists personally (because they need to stay friends, being part of the in-crowd). Trump definitely could use some more intellectual advisers, giving his arguments more substance - but, as long as he is winning in the polls.... And not joining FOX anymore is great PR: he keeps the fire burning hot, he avoids any difficulties (more questions or Kelly shifting, so he warms up to her....) and, keeping the feud alive makes him look holding frame - as all others would have buckled by now, eager to be on TV again (speaking of narcissism).

So, just because Clinton appears less narcissistic than Trump doesn't mean she hasn't the exact same traits - she's just more diplomatic, PC and DT, covering her real motivations and intentions - pooling wool over the eyes of millions - for 20 years now.

[–]redolas -1 points0 points  (2 children)

This is actually more like the Trump I know. He may have some red pill traits, but he's not a "real man" as we understand it. He's a joke as a man. He wouldn't stand a chance in a society of men.

Unfortunately, the straight-talking, honest man is a liability. They are an easy target, and they have been taken out of the presidential debate long time ago. By being direct and honest he wouldn't stand 5 minutes. How many people got obsessed with Ron Paul? Very few did, even if they were die-hard fans. That only helped him so much. But you wouldn't see him in every gossip-tabloid on the planet, that's for sure.

So, avoiding the debate, not answering questions, attacking the person not the message - a female strategy - works. We can learn that from him, even if we don't like him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I disagree that he "wouldn't stand a chance in a society of men." He's not the perfect alpha red pill Chad Thundercock, but who the fuck is? Isn't that the bar we here all aspire to? Who here has actually reached it? I'm reminded of a line from "Carry On Wayward Son," "if I claim to be a wise man, Well, it surely means that I don't know."

Someone claiming to be fully enlightened to red pill alpha Chad nirvana is full of it. Even Donald Trump isn't that guy. He was born into money and privilege (which I didn't think was a slight against character on this forum), but he also lost it quite a few times... and then rebuilt it.

[–]redolas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's not the perfect alpha red pill Chad Thundercock

We agree.

Someone claiming to be fully enlightened to red pill alpha Chad nirvana is full of it.

Didn't claim to be the one.

He was born into money and privilege

I have nothing against that.

... and then rebuilt it.

Respect that. He rebuilt it with his father's millions, but he did actually do the work. So yeah. Ok. It's a pass.

Still, he is a liar and a coward. I wouldn't go hunting with him and I wouldn't trust him with a weapon around me. So yeah, he would be ousted from a hunting gang of men. On second thought, he would probably do well as a shaman or some sort of religious leader.

[–]Polaris382 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sounds like you're losing "frame" over this bro.

[–]king-schultz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, yet I'm not put up as the role model & hero of TRP.

[–]VictorEremitaK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You got a youtube link for that?

[–]putinbusch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did that 2nd one really happen?

[–]tgeda 93 points94 points  (25 children)

Don't argue with women, leave the situation without backing down.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left[S] 38 points39 points  (21 children)

I agree. This is ideal. but sometimes you cant. Sometimes you are forced into conflict.

[–]tgeda 44 points45 points  (16 children)

You will lose. Arguments are decided by the spectators, the spectators will be biased in favor of the 5 ft petite blonde and you will look like a bully.

There is no benefit to entering any form of conflict with a female.

[–]Troll_Name 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Trump holds a 2:1 lead over Cruz, who holds a similar lead over everybody else. It doesn't matter how much Fox News wags their finger and bitches at him - they're going to do that anyway. Trump is actually campaigning in person while everyone else is taking potshots from TV studios. Republican establishment wants Trump to lose more than it wants Republicans to win - and that's why Trump is leading the Republican primaries. People are sick of the establishment.

Why? Because it has done pretty much nothing for these voters, after being handed Congress on a silver platter.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Ever been shit tested on the spot in front of a bunch of blue-pillers at a social function? Whichever decision you choose, it's akin to walking a tight-rope from skyscraper to skyscraper during a hurricane. You give in, you lose. You rebel, you risk losing worse.

"Nightwriter, go get us napkins."

While I'm boxed in and this girl just happens to sit down next to me while I just started eating. What she was really saying was "Hey, I want you to be my lapdog, go over there and fetch. I want to see if you'll be my bitch." But everyone who's bluepill will hear "I'm a women, and men should be a gentleman and feel lucky to help me out."

Luckily I weaseled out of that one with a joke. After the dinner it reminded me of the famous quote.

"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals, except for the weasel." - H. J. Simpson

[–]thefisherman1961 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My response would be "Go get them yourself." If you're alpha enough, nobody is going to think less of you because you basically just pointed out how much of a cunt she was being.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to ease it in "I'm pathologically lazy"

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left[S] 68 points69 points  (1 child)

You're missing the point. Its not about winning or losing. The point is you dont care about that. What you care about is holding frame.

You actually have to be completely ready and willing to be seen as a bully. You need to be OK with that. The point is that girls will want you to feel the social pressure of thinking your wrong and being an asshole. They will use that to their advantage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What?

He's fucking running for President, what the hell do you mean it isn't about winning or losing?

[–]verify_account 11 points12 points  (1 child)

You will lose. Arguments are decided by the spectators, the spectators will be biased in favor of the 5 ft petite blonde and you will look like a bully.

I don't disagree but Trump seems to be doing okay. He called a woman out for being on the rag and women still love him. If your frame is strong enough you can get away with anything.

[–]Sementeries 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some of these guys in here saying, "Trump loses frame" and other bullshit are trying to paint this perfect idea of what frame is. You can still scoff, insult (in a reasonable fashion), or even get mad.

Take a look at how every candidate is copying Trumps behavior. Before they go and shiv someone they say, "I like the guy, we get along," and then they give them the shiv.

Some of these guys here can say what they want, but he's in control when he's at these debates.

[–]omgimbackagain 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Trump has soundly beaten Kelly in this argument. She looks like a foolish shill for a corporation, while he is AMOGing their debate because he has better ideas and plans. He has higher value then all of FOX news, they need him not the other way round.

Cant believe people are even debating as to if trump holds frame or not, he is frame. Other guys complaining he is a narcissist? guess what you have to be to want to be president of the most powerful country in the world.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

The debate will now just be "What was Trump doing..?".

I don't follow the above anti-trump stuff... So what if he is narcissistic? He still has more money, time, influence, power and sexual availability than everyone in this sub combined.

I think that upsets people more than they'd care to admit. Whilst he might not land into whatever straight definition of "A TRP MAN" he is certainly a Virtuoso of the 48 laws.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

he is certainly a Virtuoso of the 48 laws.

I'll throw my weight behind this, 100% agree with this comment.

[–]thefisherman1961 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Depends on who your spectators are. I get sadistic pleasure out of black knighting so if I'm in a social situation where a guy is arguing with a hot chick, I will take his side almost automatically, even if I disagree with them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have never heard of Black Knighting but I assure you I shall be doing it from here on out. That's a wonderful post.

[–]spaceythrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did something once during a party in my college years. I ended up in a political argument with some chick. No one liked it because it was seriously killing the vibe.

She said something very loudly to the effect of "what do you have to say about THAT"

I paused for a second, held up my hand, and let out a very loud and intentional burp

The girls there didn't like me one bit. But my bros were all high fiving each other.

Screw it what the girls think.

[–]catacamas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why? Doesn't this just send the message they can believe whatever bullshit they want?

I suppose it depends on context, e.g. are we talking about, say, a conversation with a group of friends over (for example) whether women 'deserve 50% of everything' in a divorce ... or are we talking about, say, an argument with one's spouse over something like, she's subtly bitching you 'didn't brush your daughter's hair right' or some-such BS?

If a woman starts mouthing off with opinions like 'women deserve 50% of everything', you bet I'm going to explain exactly why that's just legislated theft and immoral, and tell her that she should be ashamed of herself.

That's why so much barbarism is tolerated (e.g. modern divorce laws), because most people won't do this, they'll just 'be polite', or quietly leave the room without calling her on her BS beliefs. And since nobody ever calls them on their BS beliefs, they just grow bolder.

I suppose if you're talking about drunken girls in a bar who are looking for trouble, that's something else, it may be best to avoid such a situation, especially if they have their 'backup white knights' nearby.

[–]tgeda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, if you are talking about politics its different, stand by the truth. I was talking about personal arguments

[–]PabloEscoba 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Meagan - "For the record, your comments were well beyond Rosie O Donell"

Donald - "Yeah Im sure"

Agree and amply. Amused Mastery.

[–][deleted] 111 points112 points  (20 children)

Trump is an absolute mastermind thus far on the campaign trail, and this is just another calculated move that will ultimately end in his favor.

There have been plenty of debates on this subreddit about if trump is or isn't TRP, and I'm not about to start another. But both sides of that aisle should be able to see what he is doing and learn from it. The amount of unlikely victories trump has had thus far is absolutely staggering as is stunning. He knows how to handle being in a position of power, and that is where he is right now.

By doing a townhall on another channel he will take away a huge chunk of ratings from fox. He also will place himself above the rest of the candidates almost like he as already won the nomination. Oh, and donating all proceeds to veterans? That's 100% strategy as well. He hasn't lost yet, and i doubt Fox News and Megan Kelly will sink him (they've been trying to for months with the exception of Oreilly)

He is also the human embodiment of frame. His rule of never apologizing sounds childish, but what is even sadder is that it works on the masses. Had he apologized to McCain, to the Muslims, to anyone he would be sitting at 2% in the polls right now. If he isn't TRP then he at least is proof the tenets work.

Call him an idiot all you want. But this campaign will be studied by future political science majors until the end of time

[–]B1tfury 25 points26 points  (0 children)

You are right. It is a calculated move. Hell, he wrote a book on deal making. He understands that by going to the Fox debate he is in a losing situation. He doesn't participate in "deals" that are a loss to him. He also understands that Fox is the one that needs him - not the other way around.

By doing so, he is demonstrating to America that he isn't going to back down to bullshit deals from the rest of the world.

[–]tb87670 47 points48 points  (17 children)

The SJW tactic of making you apologize in good faith that they stop their attacks, and when you do they do not stop their attacks and keep pressing using the apology as further fuel. that doesn't work when the guy doesn't apologize. I said this before here, if no one bowed down the SJW's wouldn't be able to use this popular tactic anymore because it only works when guys apologize.

Charlie Sheen also did this during his breakdown and the entire world was fixated on him. Critics came, they left beaten, Sheen walked away even more popular. Both men are examples of why you hold frame with women or even in public. Once you apologize you are scum beneath their shoes. Don't apologize you are a deity above their heads.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (13 children)

It's sad, but simply brains are wired to associate apologizing with being wrong so much that if someone doesnt apologize they will often assume they are outright.

Trump holding ground during the Muslim ordeal and gaining in popularity after was something I never in a million years would think possible

[–]Nofap192192 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The only people who think Trump is not RP are the ones who don't understand the genius behind his campaign. Those are the forever BP's, unable to read between the lines and only able to see surface interactions

[–]fistbang 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Donald Trump is a fucking Boss

[–]Scott_WWS 48 points49 points  (12 children)

My (Russian) Wife's take on the candidates:

Hillary - bought and paid for, can't think for herself

McNothing (Dem) - bought and paid for, sounds like a Robotron (robot)

Sanders - cutting edge ideas, but lacks charisma

Rand Paul - boring no sex appeal

Trump - he is a winner. I don't like all of his views but he doesn't cry about his problems nor say what you want to hear so you'll vote for him. He's a fixer and and a winner and he wants to be President only for his ego. Actually, for his ego, he wants to be the best president since Washington. He's a winner and he will make a good president.

[–]ArcadesRed 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Actually, for his ego, he wants to be the best president since Washington."

This right here. People forget that to want to be president to begin with requires a huge ego. Trump simply isn't hiding his.

[–]1ThumpNuts 13 points14 points  (2 children)

LOL. Spoken like a true Russian. My boss' Russian wife is a die-hard leftist and she likes Donald Trump's authoritarian strength. So much so that she would vote for him over the Marxist Bernie Sanders.

Woman logic. It speaks volumes.

[–]Livnontheedge 24 points25 points  (1 child)

This says everything this sub is about in two sentences.

She just literally said: "He goes against everything I stand for and want for the world, but he seems so strong and sure. He's the man I want."

AWALT

[–]1ThumpNuts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AMEN!

I wish people would get this through their fat heads.

[–]Mr_Donnerhuhn 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How Russian is your wife that she thinks Sanders ideas are "cutting edge"?

[–][deleted] 26 points26 points

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think I'm voting for trump now.

[–]Whiskersgrower 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No wonder why 4chan loves him amirite?

[–]hesalop 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can't believe I had to dig through here to find this

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 6 points7 points  (2 children)

She knew she was fucked when the crowd wouldn't stop cheering the Rosie comment. You could see it on her face when they shouted over her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Looks like she actually liked that comment

[–]RedPillHanSolo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Makes me wish I lived in the USA with Trump as a president.

[–]McLarenX 100 points101 points  (42 children)

Donald is an expert in handling beautiful women. He's been dating/married to supermodels and Hollywood starlets his entire life. That bitch is stupid for even attempting to stump the Trump. He's a no-bullshit businessman who takes respect very seriously, and won't tolerate dumb women making demands.

The Art of the Deal is up there with the 48 laws of power and No More Mr Nice Guy on red pill books I suggest to people. Anyone who doesn't take Trump seriously, I suggest you read a biography on him and study his accomplishments.

[–]FemtoG 59 points60 points  (29 children)

It's unbelievable that all of his tactics in this campaign so far have come STRAIGHT out of Art of the Deal. He's just following his own Bible and everyone against him are still getting completely out-maneuvered.

[–]trpftw 24 points25 points  (23 children)

Basically, Trump is good at negotiating, saying "no", leaving the table (leaving the debate), throwing temper tantrums, and general narcissism and overvaluation of himself and his own deals/assets.

These tactics are just... effective.

Dealing with an unreasonable man is hard. That's what Trump becomes: an unreasonable emotional man.

Same reason why Iranians are getting a good deal because they were unreasonable and Obama was compromising.

The problem comes in that... just because being a narcissist who is unreasonable works at getting good deals... doesn't mean it's what you want to become as a man or a statesmen. It means you take lessons from Trump on how to negotiate... but it doesn't mean you take lessons from him on statesmanship, leadership, or attracting woman.

The guy is a narcissist billionaire, you may be in awe of what he gets away with... but trying to copy him won't get you anywhere except in business, housing, and car deals.

[–]FemtoG 15 points16 points  (7 children)

I feel like...our society today values, and even moreso REWARDS, the things that you mentioned in your post.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

trying to copy him won't get you anywhere except in business, housing, and car deals.

Well now, that isn't much is it?

[–]nodoxsavefreespeech 3 points3 points [recovered]

Downloading the audiobook right now.

[–]FemtoG 7 points8 points  (0 children)

His Ice skating rink story is very illuminating on the issues of government

[–]UntraceableRP 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you know a good place to download audio books?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The cough pirate cough bay

[–]landon042 4 points4 points [recovered]

Exactly, with that amount of abundance mentality you would literally feel like god

[–]trpftw 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Which is exactly why Donald Trump shouldn't be taken as an example.

He's a narcissist billionaire. He can get away with all of this, you cannot.

He can say the most ridiculous things on TV and if he loses... oh boo hoo... back to my billion dollar conglomerate. So he doesn't care. Abundance mentality is a reality for him.

Can any other presidential candidate do that? NO. It's risky. If they lose, they're not going back to a billion dollar CEO job. They have a lot more to lose than Trump and that's why they can't go to the extremes that Trump can.

If you take it too extreme with women, you can get fucked over a lot worse than just not getting laid that night. Generally being self-confident is attractive. Not apologizing and being a man about your beliefs is attractive. Being a narcissistic asshole who fucks people over, while it may make you look like a bad boy, it can also lead to bad boy consequences like rape accusations.

People with power and money can go to a lot more extremes (which is why criminals have a lot of power because they can threaten violence etc.) and get away with it more often than your average TRPer.

[–]macksdowntownsong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP active trump hater found.

[–]unpluggedoasis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We live in a time where extremes are needed! You are on TRP you see the fucking mess that we are in culturally. Maybe we can't be as extreme but we absolutely can support someone who can potentially fix what is going on out there.

[–]NecroticFury 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In the end men are the only threat to you directly. If you have control over other men, you have nobody to oppose you.

You seem to think women commanding men in droves is important, when you can command armies.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 30 points31 points  (1 child)

If you get into a frame battle with a chick, accept it and do not back down.

Not only don't back down... redouble your efforts and go in twice as hard. The tactic is to make the other side back down, rather than "winning" in any logical sense. Who cares who is right or wrong... women certainly don't. You gotta beat them down with the ferocity of your argument, strength of frame, and overall personal power.

As an aside, this is how women argue... as soon as they are losing, they change the subject, even resorting to insults and abuse rather than agreeing they fucked up. Do the same, but do it better.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you and me are def on the same page. :)

dont go looking for conflict. But when conflict finds you, take it head on. No matter if you're right or wrong. Way too many guys today are so conflict avers its pathetic.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

nice.

so basically everything my mom told me to do the opposite..

[–]Livnontheedge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes. This is the Red Pill after all.

[–]flexiblehold 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Trump a few days ago began hinting he may not attend this debate, since Kelly had treated him unfairly previously. Then Fox taunted him with this childish press release:

("We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president — a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings.")

Trump responded correctly by backing out, costing Fox millions (likely) in ad revenue. That anyone would characterize this as a "temper tantrum" by Trump is lol to me -- to the extent his behavior is narcissistic, so what? It is textbook frame control, and is a meta way of demonstrating to the general electorate he will not cow-tow to anyone -- the truth is, the American people want that from our next President, we're sick of political correctness and apologies and ass-kissing. I find Trump in many ways a cartoonish buffoon, but applaud this recent news-cycle hijack.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Trump surely has his flaws, but I guarantee we won't see him apologizing for America to foreign leaders or crying on national television like the Pussy-In-Chief we have now.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He found out they were going to bring in some batshit crazy (muslin) female blogger to be one of the moderators. It was clearly an assassination attempt. He told them to fuck off. He knows he will have to deal with this harpy during the general election debates. It isn't a matter of cowardice. He's just punishing Fox. Makes me laugh.

[–]achillesjackson 18 points19 points  (1 child)

This reminds me of this one time i was making out with this girl. She was familiar with me, and said that she wouldn't take her clothes off, unless I said please. I said to her, Don Draper style "Who do you think you're talking to?" She insisted "I'm serious, you gotta say please. Otherwise I won't take my clothes off!" I remained stoic and told her, that there was no way that was going to happen. I waited for a minute, and said "Do you want ME to take your clothes off?" Her : "Yes" Me : "Say please" Her : "Please!" At the end of the session, I nonchalantly proceeded to turn away from her. She pulled my hand, spun me around, hugged me tightly and kissed me. She didn't want to let go. That's when i knew, that i owned her. Reminds me of something I read on this subreddit earlier:

"She wants to feel you are uncollapsable, so she pokes you in your weak spot.

Of course she knows how much this moment of success means to you. This is precisely why she is negating it. Not because she wants to hurt you. But because she wants to feel Shiva [your masculinity].

She wants to feel your strength. She wants to feel that your happiness is not dependent on her response, nor on you making a million dollars.

She wants to feel you are a superior man."

[–]ChadThundercockII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's from the book by David Deida, The Way of the Superior Man

[–]NaughtyFred 32 points33 points  (12 children)

For those curious what the question was

"Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?"

That last fragment tells you all you need to know about her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?

He answered that pretty damned well when the question came up. Clinton shut up about it almost immediately.

[–]NaughtyFred 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What did he say? Because that "War on women" thing pisses me off

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Basically he said that Bill Clinton is a rapist and HRC worked to shame and silence his rape victims so how in the world is she going to come after Trump about being a misogynist? He also said he has much more respect for women than HRC does. This was right around when Bill Clinton started campaigning for her. She hasn't mentioned it since then and has been polling worse.

[–]Lord_Varys 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a legitimate question. Republican voters want to know how he will respond to liberal talking points. Megyn is a known conservative, and she clearly doesn't believe this stuff. It was a good question.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (29 children)

It's this one thing he does that I respect him for. To call a woman ugly to her face on live television and get away with it.

I could very well vote for him just for that.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (14 children)

Who else is there to take your vote? Seriously. Hernie is CUCK, he doesn't have any children of his own and married a whore single mother.

Hillary is a Feminazi, I'm shocked how that animal could even try for the elections.

Trump2016 brother.

My expectations will be Hillary vs Trump.

[–]fakenate1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Martin o'malley just shed a tear for being forgotten again.

[–]Backfist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

He has a son with a whorey female,

The now-46-year-old Levi was born on March 21, 1969 at Brightlook Hospital in Johnsbury, Vermont to Sanders and his then-girlfriend Susan Mott. The pair moved in together shortly after Sanders divorced from his first wife, Deborah Shilling Messing.

[–]chatchan 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Not a Trump supporter in the least but I had to upvote for "what would Donald Trump do?"

[–]TRPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"what would Donald Trump do?" is my new favorite quote from TRP

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children)

FUCK YEAH I HOPE TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT

[–]eddiae 16 points17 points  (5 children)

how is megyn kelly a typical hot blonde ? she's got a fucking steroid abusing giant captain america's chin and jaw, she could knock people out cold swinging that thing

[–]atradervish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LMAO your comments made me almost spit out my drink. Maybe she's attractive for her age??

EDIT: Just looked her up. She's 45.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Same, I'm a republican, FOX fan, but I've never thought she was attractive! Honestly, reddit tends to overrate women a lot. if you go and look at any pic on reddit of a bitch, you're gonna see an average looking broad get called a goddess. Honestly, I believe it's a generational gap thing because as a millennial (18-25 age group), I've noticed that we tend to go after the more attractive-top end women so to speak. What's a 9 to the common man is a 7 to us... Do people ignore the face and genetics all together now?

[–]textualintercourse 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I can't wait for the breaking headline, "Donald Trump caught fucking Megyn Kelly behind FoxNews set."

Donald, "She was the one asking or it!"

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you have a link for video?

[–]The_Red_Paw 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Whenever a woman starts with me I just say "I don't argue with women."

Then I stop arguing.

[–]weengineerbetter 5 points5 points [recovered]

Stick to your guns.

Don’t be afraid of awkward confrontations and conflict.

Don’t be afraid of being wrong and looking bad in front of others.

Never feel guilt for your beliefs and apologize.

I think all your main points are solid in their own way but I would never back myself into a corner in front of a large crowd and a HB8+. If you are flat out arguing with a girl you've dun goofed.

[–]EvrythingISayIsRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If a girl out argues you and makes you apologize then you will lose a lot of respect.

[–]bowie747 6 points7 points  (0 children)

WWDTD

The warcry of a generation of young men.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fact, the Don is best suited for president. I think Fox should dump that dumbass Kelley

[–]MorePancakes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Mfw your entire post was an elaborate overly complicated way of saying "You can't stump the Trump"

[–]hamstercide 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Example vid? Also fix your writing, "a women like her", "he never conceived even an inch".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trump goes beyond neutralizing situations that would make him look bad, he in fact turns them into his greatest victories. The political correctness statement in his first debate, the 9-11 card when he was attacked by Cruz, booting out protesters and trouble makers at rallies and now we'll see how dull and uneventful this next debate will be without his presence.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly why I love donald trump...I dont give a fuk what he says..what his policies are..because god knows whos telling the truth about that.. I just love how hes not politically correct,doesnt fold to media criticism...even tho every media outlet and millions of sjws hate him.. and he has his own money so he is less likely to be influenced.. Hes my favorite obviously..but the main goal is to have ANYONE but hilary or sanders win.

[–]aa223 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I may not like Trump's politics and his illegal immigration platform but I will admit that he knows how to sell himself and the fact that we love him because he doesn't give a fuck does show how far we have to advance as a society. He is a good businessman and while he isn't perfect he knows how to handle himself.

[–]jizzonmypants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually use that technique when i don't know what to say /act but instead of Donald Thrump i say to myself

''What would Chad do?''

[–]RavelsBolero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You didn't even bother to link to the video which embodies this concept best of all you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y9_LJj7A68

[–]Scott_WWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nice narrative, a link would have been useful...

[–]SalaryCapGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very well said. I will be using this advice!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I never had a problem holding frame against women, ever. The bigger problem comes from white knights. When you have legions threatening you with fist fights... I'm going to the gym

[–]QE-Infinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like to think of it as a cute thing if girls have their own opinion, right or not. When I tell them that they usually become submissive. If they become more angry then I just laugh at them and make aaaahhww sounds while petting them on the head if the situation allows it.

[–]Dubsland12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This tactic works with men or women.

[–]2johnnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He stuck to his conviction and didn’t let her topple him. He never looked nervous, and most importantly he never conceived EVEN AN INCH. He then went on to trash talk her and call her a bimbo and refused to debate if she was the moderator.

It's as if he is lacking the fear instinct. Have you seen him ever show concern about the consequences of any particular situation or what other people could do to him? Most politicians have this little calculator inside their heads: how much support can I gain/lose if I say thing X. And you can see it on their faces, when they are interrogated by journalists.

I guess a couple of billion dollars and decades of success does this to a man. It trains your behavior.

This is not about who is right or wrong. You can be 100% wrong and you should STILL stick to your beliefs. I have seen plenty of situations where the person who is wrong still come out on top because they didn’t let some bully or hot chick break their frame.

You are absolutely right here. Being truthful/false is important only in a technical context (science, academics). This here is a social context, where being and looking certain/uncertain is more important for the results.

[–]bobpuller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play.

[–]Zachar1a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here was the assessment of Mr. Trump's genius move:

Both networks provided media analysis of Mr. Trump’s appearance, which the candidate claimed raised $5 million for veterans. Lawrence O’Donnell of MSNBC described it as a “decidedly boring event” a little after 10 p.m. On CNN, Ryan Lizza, a writer for The New Yorker and a CNN contributor, said of Mr. Trump, “He picked a strange night to produce the most boring event of his campaign.”

[–]redestofthereds 0 points1 point  (3 children)

A friend and I were at a bar. We were taking shots at each other.

I made a remark about his age.

He shot back with "Well, why don't you ask your mom."

I was stunned by that comment because (A) don't talk about my mom and (B) his mom is dead.

I should've called him out for saying that shit but goddamn, it was an awkward situation and I let it get the best of me because I still wanted to be sensitive about his mother passing away.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I dont understand what the hell you are even saying. Your friend goofed on you with a "your mom" joke. Thats just joshing and not grounds for a fucking battle dude. Relax.

[–]redestofthereds 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sorry about the writing. I wasn't paying attention.

What bothered me was that he wouldn't say that shit to anybody else in our social circle and I don't buy that he wouldn't react in an aggressive manner had anybody else made a similar remark to him.

I guess that's the reason why I'm here. My bad about the babbling.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries man. Sometimes you got to babble! ;)

[–]Zachar1a -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

Nah, Donald Trump is a textbook narcissist, and in this case he is resorting to the most common reaction for narcissists when their delicate ego is bruised: the silent treatment. That is really all this is. He is giving Megyn Kelly the silent treatment. Now imagine having to deal with this kind of behavior from a President for the next four years.

[–]atradervish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would he attend a debate when he has nothing to gain? He is already winning. For the business man that Donald trump is, he sees this as a bad deal. Only one side would gain from him attending.

Going on that debate would be an absolute trap. Why should he let FOX gain millions in ad revenue while he gets disrespected on live TV by Kelly.

Call him what you want, but his move was the smart move.

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