Why make plating the goal? Isn't LTR with kids the endgame?

mcr00sterdota · 2017-12-14T10:34:17+00:00

Up to the individual, some people on TRP want kids and a lot don't. If you want kids then go for it, just don't marry a post-wall slut and end up getting divorce raped.

atlastic1 · 2017-12-14T17:55:40+00:00

The point of TRP is that women are not goals at all, whichever way you choose to consume.

[deleted] · 2017-12-14T13:02:49+00:00

The goal is to do what you want.

Andorli · 2017-12-14T10:45:58+00:00

I do not think anybody should be asking this question. The only person who can make that decision is you alone. There are plenty of guys here who have no clue about the depth of redpill, who will just repeat what they hear countless times (oh but divorce rape, oh but AWALT, oh but but...). The truth is, this depends on the country you live, its laws, your social status, family you are in, are you getting arranged marriage(highly recommended), will you be able to spin plates once you are married (do you even want to do that? or perhaps you want be faithful husband (lol)) and etc. etc.

Obviously most men want to have children at some point in their live, since biologically we are programmed to create offspring. And obviously in order to raise a child in healthy environment he/she will need a mother. In Soviet Union family values were strongly promoted and people leaned towards that lifestyle and women wanted to get married early. Today's reality is different, with all the western bullshit liberal values, social media, pop culture etc. is making women more slutty and hypergamous than ever. And if we had social controls in place to mitigate this before (In soviet union being a divorced woman you would be considered trash, i know this might not be fair in all cases but it prevented a lot of women from becoming sluts or divorcing on a whim and instead encouraged them to work on the family), now there are no controls especially in the west where a divorced woman reaps all benefits while virtually paying nothing for her deeds, even if she is the one being unfaithful. So it would be impossible to provide the kind of answer you are expecting since there too many factors in place that determine whether you should or should not get married and what are proper conditions for it.

As a last note, I personally do recommend getting married but then again I don't live in Europe or America and in my country we still have some family values etc.

epistemic_humility · 2017-12-14T13:49:01+00:00

Cheers man. Good pointing that out, you're right. On one hand ltr are hard and hazardous but on the other they're exactly what I enjoy about women and home life. If my ltr fails I plate a bunch and settle into another one. Even my current ltr hit a rough spot but I have outcome independence I'll be okay either way and abundance mentality in that I know I can plate more to find another.

Not many trp folks seems to seriously consider LTR could be due to them not being able to actually get in one with a hot señorita. They could still be crazy but Hey your social studies teacher in fifth grade could have been crazy, your uncle might be. Humans are odd.

Your perspective is refreshing OP. I feel ya.

Steve_Chiv · 2017-12-14T17:29:06+00:00

LTR is def the endgame. Dudes around here think they're going to be 50 year old billionaires fucking 18 year olds. Don't be fucking stupid. Find a submissive girl and guide her into being a wife.

wanderer779 · 2017-12-14T14:15:41+00:00

If that's what you want then go for it. I think TRP overestimates the chance of ending up in a shitty marriage. My guess is a lot of the guys here saw a lot of carnage growing up, or maybe even experienced it for themselves, and decided it wasn't worth it.

Make no mistake the rules are against you. If the woman wants to fuck you over the rules are definitely set up for it. Your kids get brainwashed into hating masculinity and belittling fathers. All that stuff is definitely true. Marriage and family ain't what it used to be for a lot of guys. But some guys still manage to pull it off. I know some who have. I have to admit they don't really command the respect they use to, but they have happy families and their wives aren't total harpies.

With that being said I still refuse to get married. I'm too old to start down that road.

But if you're young and you want to do it I say go for it. You only live once. But know going it that you're wagering a helluva lot. If you do it right it's kind of like betting your whole net worth & then some on a hand of poker. So you better make sure you've got a damn strong hand. No sluts, no girls from broken homes, no gold diggers.

LeonardoDiDraperBond · 2017-12-14T11:08:39+00:00

Who says plating is the endgoal? Everyone has different endgoals, if you want to have a LTR and kids in the end you can use plating as a stepping stone for this.

Plating is useful for scouting and vetting potential LTR's. It also teaches you the true nature of women's sexuality and hypergamy.

TRP is about giving you the tools to achieve your goals. Take from it the things that speak to you, leave behind the things that don't.

Launch_On_Warning · 2017-12-14T13:41:13+00:00

“Isn’t LTR with kids the endgame?”

Oh yeah, it’s the endgame alright. Very much the end.

minoc_uo · 2017-12-14T13:28:33+00:00

Best medicine goes to people with money.

LateralThinker13 · 2017-12-14T17:24:18+00:00

TD:DR; Should TRP put more emphasis on getting into an LTR with an high value woman where you can have kids with?

Honestly, this is why I read the /r/redpillwomen subreddit more than this one - they look at relationship/commitment in an RP relationship in many ways that TRP for men does not. I think TRP does focus on dating/plating sexual strategy almost to the exclusion of long-term relationship (i.e. marriage) sexual strategy, and it does so to its detriment.

The issue you have has been bad enough that I've considered starting a subreddit with a name like LTR-RP-Male or some such.

Red pill wisdom is very useful, true, and empowering. But I get that you find this sub... lacking in LTR advice. All I can tell you is that red pill advice works regardless of how many women you have on your plate. It just isn't tailored to the nuances of LTRs.

[deleted] · 2017-12-15T06:50:04+00:00

TRP is simply a tool. Build with it what you want. Having said that, I agree that there is way too much emphasis on plates and almost no talk about being red pilled and married.

SocialJusticeWhiner · 2017-12-14T16:52:55+00:00

Black Dragon's blog has good info on this. Really you're not ready for an OLTR (open long term relationship) until you're 35. Too immature before then. He doesn't believe in monogamy and it's very likely not the default system in nature either. When you're with a girl and she's your only source of sex and she throws a fit or becomes pissed off over stupid bullshit prepare for no sex for an extended period of time. If you don't check her right away as is common in LTRs when your game isn't super strong the drama and bullshit starts to add up and she will likely need to be soft nexted in order for her to figure out her emotional bullshit. It sounds great to live with a girl and have someone who will always be with you and love you but thays not realistic. She will at best get cold to you if you're going through an extended down period and at worst jump on another cock. Don't count on anyone for your happiness besides yourself.

It becomes much easier to maintain frame and not let other people's decision hurt you if you have options. Fucking other women (even if it's just purely a sexual relationship and not emotional) makes you aware that you're still desireable which will help you keep a healthy vibe thus keeping your OLTR relationship in better balance.

Average amount of sex in a US LTR is around sex once a week. Is that enough for you? Very likely what you're going to get.

vandaalen · 2017-12-14T10:22:08+00:00

Oh. What a unique question. It has never been discussed before, so you better do not search this sub and the main sub...

http://archive.fo/FH4Jh

McVaghunter · 2017-12-14T11:17:42+00:00

Plating is to get laid, it doesn't have a deep philosophical meaning. It's just you fulfilling your sexual desires, that's it.
Monogamy is unrealistic; men weren't designed to stick to one pussy their entire life.
Some people want children but nowadays it's not worth it; too expensive and risky.
You want someone to take care of you when tragedy strikes or when you get older? Get a retirement plan, it's cheaper than a wife and children, and more secure (Your wife and children may die in an accident when you're older, assuming you weren't devoice raped before that happens).

I don't dismiss of plating, but i just cannot see it as an goal on itself.

Who the fuck said plating is the goal?! Your mission is the goal. Achieve it and die the same way all decaying matter does.

chachaChad · 2017-12-14T19:12:22+00:00

Who will be by your side when tragedy strikes, what will you have left?

That's your problem right there. You're looking for something outside yourself that you're not going to find.

DopeMeme_Deficiency · 2017-12-14T10:48:09+00:00

Only if you want to pay to be used, mistreated, and rarely fucked. Good luck with that

Kommanderdude · 2017-12-14T15:04:59+00:00

Everyone has a different end game.

king_of_red_alphas · 2017-12-14T17:22:07+00:00

IMO the practical value of this is that it will make you certain that you are not ending up with a girl just to “not be alone”.

Almost all of my LTR’s when I was younger were entered into for this reason. I didn’t even feel I had the “right” to walk away.

That lead to a lot of wasted time obviously.

It also serves to really allow you to understand that what your heart / dick wants is not necessarily the same thing that makes for good LTR material.

SilkTouchm · 2017-12-14T19:24:59+00:00

My end goal is being rich.

kemchik · 2017-12-15T09:03:49+00:00

I think your question just break asktrp

RedHoodhandles · 2017-12-15T17:05:30+00:00

You do understand that you don't need to marry to become a father? You do understand that you don't need to live in an exclusive, i.e. monogamous LTR to become a father?

If you want to become a father I would focus on finding a woman that would make a good mother. Neiher (ex-)sluts make good mothers (bad impulse control/destructive behaviour/lowered pair bonding ability) nor mothers from broken homes (self-explanatory).

Living in a monogamous LTR to foster children or even marrying for it, isn't a deal I am planning to do. And I'd say, with feminism gone nuts worldwide, neither should you. In the end it is up to you. GL.

Bear-With-Bit · 2018-01-01T09:27:34+00:00

For those on the fence about having kids, check out the childfree sub. Also look on YouTube "Doug Stanhope on Overpopulation." I myself don't have kids and considering getting snipped soon.

quicklogaccount · 2017-12-14T11:24:16+00:00

Should TRP put more emphasis on getting into an LTR with an high value woman where you can have kids with?

A short answer for you bro. No.

You are messing up precisely the one shit you shouldn't.
You live to eat, fuck and survive. Eating and surviving are granted for you these days, so you the only biological mission you'll struggle with is fucking.
Sex wise, because you are a male, you'll inevitably derive the most benefit from it, the biggest fulfillment, by enacting your earnest polygamy and fucking a lot of different women.

Now, those are your biological drives. What you are talking about is a reason for existence. This is a big question since existence itself became so pointless when our biological hard wiring, the stuff we actually feel urge to do, became basically granted.
You're bugging a lot about the subject because it is driving you to contemplate your own mortality. Now, your solution to it is the very core of the matrix and the blue pill, it is the belief that you'll only be "truly" fulfilled with a woman, and by raising offspring. That simply isn't true, not even under PC lens. A lot of fucking amazing people never had children, a lot of damn amazing ones were and are gay.

The only reason to perpetrate this belief you hold is to use it to exploit you man.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2017-12-14T17:18:31+00:00

But let's be honest live is short and brutal.

Nasty, brutish and short, in Hobbes calculation.

To late to create offspring

Too late for women.

(who want's to have a kid that is 16 when you are in your 60's..).

From an economic standpoint, that might be the best time to have them, assuming one has built one's value over time.

Who will be by your side when tragedy strikes, what will you have left?

This is a version of The Myth of the Lonely Old Man

It is designed to get men to think: "Oooh! What if I wind up alone? I'd better go wife up a post-Wall^SPLAT! slut in a hurry!"

But I see the flaw in your plan: what if tragedy strikes and your wife divorce-rapes you, takes all of your assets and your even more fucked than you would have been anyway. Newsflash: women don't like losers, so if you become a quadriplegic you can expect your wife to split.

Of course the real answer to your question is: Get really good long term disability insurance.

I always feel kind of sad when i read posts about guys in their 40's talking about how they are plating so many woman.

I feel kind of sad when I read posts that say: "Young guys! Marry some girl quick so you can have kids!!"

First, not everyone wants kids.

Second, in the era of Marriage 2.0, getting married is a high-risk activity. More than half of marriages fail. Of those that don't at least half of what remains are medium-shitty. Then you have some ok ones, and then you have what? 1-5% that are high value? Do you like those odds?

But shouldn't plating be seen as an means to an end rather then an goal on it's own?

I don't think either should be a "goal on its own". I'm here to do what I do in life. If there are women who fit into my life comfortably [spoiler alert: there are] why not enjoy relationships with them, even OLTRs, instead of locking myself down to just one of them?

Look, if I'd followed your advice when I was younger, at best I'd be married to a late 40s chick. Maybe I'd have kids, maybe I wouldn't. Maybe I'd have gotten divorced-raped by now, too. Do you want to pay a woman to bang other guys and teach your kids to hate you? None for me, thanks.

Meanwhile, under my own plan, I maintain sexual relationships with multiple young women (19-25). No one woman is going to walk out the door with 100% of my pussy supply and no one woman is going to divorce rape me. And nothing prevents me from having kids with any of the women in my harem. Indeed, three of them have voiced a desire to do just that.

So tell me again, why is your way "better"?

getting into an LTR with an high value woman where you can have kids with?

LoL. The djinni wants to know what your other two wishes are. It's not the 1950s anymore.

Chaddeus_Rex · 2017-12-14T19:37:41+00:00

Who will be by your side when tragedy strikes, what will you have left?

If you know TRP, you know that women won't be at your side when tragedy strikes.

You are still plugged in. Go read the sidebar.

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Disaster532385 · 2017-12-14T10:32:20+00:00

So you can get divorce raped and lose half your stuff?

frendo223 · 2017-12-14T11:30:16+00:00

if giving your time, energy, and attention span to this one special unicorn girl being in an ltr while she bangs chads in ons is your thing, then go for it lol i actually want to encourage more people to do this it’s less competition for me if we didn’t have betas like you ltring these hoes while we slay them itd be more competition

none of these comments are redpilled this sub has been overan by low smv betas with oneitus wanting to have an ltr with these hoes

if you’re in a ltr, want a ltr, or even have a single thought about wanting an ltr you are not redpilled you aren’t even in the damn game lol. literally

some of you crazy blind il say this for 10000 time but some of you just still can’t comprehend this it is insane..

if you’re in a ltr you either

don’t believe in awalt
you know she’s fucking chads in ons but continue to give your time energy and attention span to this one special unicorn girl anyway(either due to low smv or oneitus)

it’s that simple.. literally. those are the two reasons

if you were pullin hoes and having 100s of hoes throwing themselves at you/were high smv the thought of an ltr would be laughable/almost disgusting you would say to yourself wtf is this shit lol

mrHappyPotatoe · 2017-12-14T13:59:44+00:00

Red Pill only offers you window through which you can see how sexual strategy actually is played off between sexes. It has nothing to do with what you think is right or wrong in life and what you should pick as your goal in life. you completely missed the red pill idea.

[deleted] · 2017-12-14T16:08:52+00:00

I don't want kids, never have.

Fucked over 150 women, i'm 47. My youngest sub is 22. Vasectomy at 35.

"WHEN TRAGEDY STRIKES," YOU'LL BE ALONE.

You can't count on the familial bond, and even if you could, what a shitty reason to have kids.. to take care of me in my old age.

You're projecting your malaligned values.

Close to moralizing.

Your values aren't mine.

Rollo_Mayhem3 · 2017-12-14T17:16:21+00:00

For me the issue is not marriage or LTR per se, it is monogamy. I do not think we are a monogamous species and I am sure I will not be monogamous in any relationship. So the question I am asking myself is, why marry if I have no intention of keeping that commitment. I suppose unless you marry an extremely beautiful and young woman with a high sex drive that will remain faithful to you than I think marriage and monogamy is a losing deal for a man. Sure, he gets kids but look at what most men I have to do to maintain an average household/wife. While divorce rates in the US are disputed, I think the current statistic is roughly 20% or 1 in 5 marriages end in divorce. Some statistics put in up to a 50% rate when you control for the millennial co-habitation and waiting much longer to get married (which means the complete data is not in yet on this cohort).

Marriage seems like such a gamble now for the average US male. The economic cost of a middle-class life with a house, wife, 2 kids, 2 cars, college education, medical care, summer vacations...not to mention student loan debt and federal income taxes...is staggering. Oh and do not forget day-care if your wife also works a 9 to 5. The amount of financial stress alone is enormous pressure on the marriage. Then you have parenting the kids in a new hybrid social and technological landscape. All of this a tendency to isolate the male and increasingly either 1) keep him beta or 2) turn him into a beta AND then the risk of divorce, dead bedrooms, burnout, weight gain, and all the other ills of beta come creeping up on you...if your wife decides to leave, you are left a fucking emotional mess at BEST and at WORSE, you are left a fucking emotional and broke ass mess with little SMV to start over...

I talking about the perspective/prospects of average US middle class college educated male. Of course, I suppose things are worse for the working class and better for the wealthy yuppie lawyer (although he has more to lose, he can likely get back on his feet quicker assuming he does not lose it).

blackedoutfast · 2017-12-14T18:05:31+00:00

"well, RP is right about a lot of things, but isn't it better to look for a unicorn and still try achieve the blue pill fantasy"

dylanrockz2002 · 2017-12-15T01:55:53+00:00

i come here for a laugh tbh mate. i do very well with girls already (yes technically i am a virgin except for you mum last nigt hahahahah but i have fingered many girls in my day) but I digress. anyway im 15 and i am already swimming in clunge!! so im not too worried about what will happen in my late 40s, if i dont get killed by a mary jane overdose before then if you know what i mean XD SELECTA