Red Pill TheoryWomen's low self worth is the reason they are the way they are (self.TheRedPill)

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Compared to what we could be as a society, people have pretty low self worth. Most people are constantly gossiping, fighting, putting each other down, socially anxious, etc. Guys talk shit about each other just to impress girls they are desperate to get. Girls talk shit about each other and guys and then desire to date those guys. Even those who seem narcissistic actually typically have low self worth. Someone who truly thought they were better than others would have no reason to brag to the people who they supposedly feel superior to. Just as someone who thought they were better than everyone would have no reason to brag to others, someone who had healthy self worth would have nothing to gain out of all this gossiping, fighting, etc.

Women want a man who is alpha, someone higher on the social hierarchy. Part of this is evolutionary, part of this is their own low self worth. The lower a female feels on the social hierarchy, the more she wants an alpha boyfriend to help balance this.

When a woman is with a man for awhile, it negatively skews her idea of him. "I'm lower on the hierarchy than him, and yet he stays with me, he must not be great after all." Those words don't actually go through her mind, I'm just putting into english the subliminal thought process.

This is why women never stop giving shit tests. They start to think less of you (just for being with them) and need to confirm of refute this idea with shit tests. You don't wake up everyday and say "hmm, i wonder if the sky is still blue, I better go check." This is because if there is an obvious truth, you don't bother to check it. Yet, women still wake up everyday and say "I better make sure he's still alpha" (subliminally).

So, what happens when the next chad comes along? She now thinks less of you and thus she thinks more highly of chad. We all know what happens when someone comes along who she thinks more highly of. She either leaves or cheats. Hence the current status of relationships in our society.

Edit: I forgot to mention, this is why women hate beta behavior so much. If she thinks low of herself, how low is she going to think of someone who worships her? On that note, this is why women love "the jerk." She thinks he is above her, treating her in the way she subliminally thinks she deserves.

[–]sir_Preacher 117 points118 points  (19 children)

One of the commonest self delusions I see on the manosphere is guys who think they can have a great LTR or marriage if they go for a girl whose smv is significantly lower than theirs.

They reason: ''... oh if I am a 9 and she is a 6, she will see how higher my value is and how desirable I am to other women and become a sweet submissive girl..''
That is far from reality.

In a ltr or marriage, the difference in smv is not what will make her submissive, its your game and frame.

Your higher smv will actually scare her(dread), and if she has a low self worth, she will try to nag and bitch at you(shit test) to bring you down to her level, in order to feel secure. The more insecure she is, the more she will throw her insecurity at you by being bitchier.

Ask the married guys who married lower smv women(especially fat), they'll tell you more...

[–]tallwheel 21 points22 points  (14 children)

I mostly agree, but as someone in a live-in LTR with a woman of lower SMV, I'll add my two cents.

Yeah, I'm not sure I would call it a "great LTR". If anything, the fact that I see her as lower SMV means I am never really satisfied with her. I'm not willing to completely commit myself to someone of low SMV and she knows it. Even though I agreed to live with her (still not sure that was a good idea or not), she knows that marriage and kids are completely off the table for me.

I communicate with my subliminal language alone that I am always on the verge of leaving, and it terrifies her. So, yeah, "built-in dread", as they say. I pretty much only get comfort tests, and no shit tests.

It's a mixed bag. On one hand, it feels really good to have someone who worships the ground you walk on, answers your beck and call, and begs you to stay. On the other hand, it'd be really nice to fuck a hotter woman than her every now and then...

[EDIT: And, going back to your point. I suppose if I ever did fully commit to her, told her I want to be with her forever, and did something stupid like marrying her or something, she would probably start with the shit tests the moment she thought I was locked down. So your point stands completely.]

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 38 points39 points  (11 children)

The answer is cheat up.

This has been the traditional arrangement for centuries.

You ltr or marry a woman who is on the highest possible class level (low partner count, good family, etc.). Not the sexiest one.

Then you have mistresses that are of a lower class but higher sexual value.

That is the old school version of TRP that your grandfather knew: Fuck 9's date 8's and marry a 7.

Btw, want evidence? Look at most presidents wives, dont mistake that these guys are not top level alphas, but their wives are usually 4-6's from very prominent families or backgrounds. Of course, Trump will be an outlier.

[–]tallwheel 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This is truth. Basically the timeless male answer to female hypergamy. I really don't want to become a cheater, but it feels like after a certain point it will become very hard to resist when opportunities appear. That's probably how these things happen organically.

Personally, I'd still rather get rid of her before fucking another woman. That's just my own personal moral compass, and it may differ from that of others.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It's why I cheat. My 28 year old wife (I'm 31) got freaked out when I started cheating on her with a 19 year old with a size four waist and bigger tits (not the first time I've cheated by a long shot). Keeps her in check. She's afraid every time she acts out that I'll go move in with the woman I'm screwing and leave her. So when she acts out I get that "don't leave" blow jobs, house cleaning, cooking, and other stuff. It also turns her on too, so it's not completely selfish but you have to keep a bitch guessing and doubting herself while you keep hitting the gym and always improving yourself fiscally, physically, and mentally.

[–]GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So you actively cheat on her and she knows you do? How does that work? Not trying to judge, just hoping to get a bit more info

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. When we met, she was 20 and I was 24. I was already seeing three other women. And after we had been together for about four years, I fessed up to the fact I'd been cheating the entire time, even though we were having threesomes with other women. And that I'd never change, that I couldn't (it's a terrible addiction I swear lol).

So she checks my phone like a fiend and every so often busts me and I look at her and go "you should leave me, you know that, I'll never change." And her come back is "this wouldn't be that big of a deal if we already had kids and you got a vasectomy."

She doesn't want to share my baby batter. That's the real issue. The fact I fuck other women isn't a huge issue, we met in the BDSM scene when she was first inquiring into it. I was her guide, then her lover, then her Dom and her boyfriend. Our last sub that we had together got with us because I cheated on her and she was 20.

She also hates that some of my exes still keep sniffing around and occasionally give me pussy (especially the tall skinny one with B cups that's 31 and to dumped by her fiancee), or the married red head with big tits that we banged together.

Just be an out and out pussy hound and don't bother with the women who don't like it. There are lots of women out there who hunger to be used.

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YES.About time people advocate cheating. I'm sick of the bullshit women pull with hypergamy.they give zero fucks,to economically protect yourself,unless you want to shoot yourself in the foot,taking a mistress is only fair game

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't think of many presidents as alpha. And you called one of the true alphas an outlier because he demanded to have one hot wife after another. I think you need to do a rethink.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Explain to me how money and extreme power dont make them alpha.

Or do you buy the god fearing servant of the people schtick most play.

At the high levels of politics, there are nothing but fully realized dark triad alphas.

I meant that trump is an outlier because he has a hot wife.

[–]KumonRoguing -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This system works pretty well from personal experience. My girlfriend of three years is a 5 or 6. I really do love her since she's a loving woman. However, I'm an 8 and enjoy the sexual company of other 8s on occasion. Sometimes I feel bad but when I'm with my girlfriend again it's okay.

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[–]Faghomo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He loves pron, not porn. Learn to read.

[–]idgaf- 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm in this situation, too.

I feel bad about it. I need to find the balls to break up with her.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I think about that a lot too. Exact same boat.

[–]twatbutter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Most of these types of men are cucks to begin with, though, so they'll just give you a male-hamster excuse instead of the cold truth

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Never understood these guys saying date a point or two down your SMV.

You're going to have the same problems with any girl. Might as well date/fuck the best pussy you can.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 140 points141 points  (15 children)


Women have too much entitlement.

In other words they are being taught through the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination process to think they deserve too much.

So from this place of unrealistic expectations they always fall short.

It's this falling short that is perceived as "low self esteem".

So the cure is to destroy the Blue Pill mythology both for men and for women because women are subconsciously being damaged too.

The ideal is when men have masculine polarity and women have feminine polarity. The Blue Pill world damages that polarization process and reduces the overall consciousness so that people are in effect crippled.

The Blue Pill is a crippled world... lacking polarity... damaged.


[–]Ojisan1 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It's a weird dichotomy - women tend to have all these self-esteem issues, and yet they assume they're better than the men around them because they were gifted a vagina.

Reminds me of Patrice's whole "I'm better than you" stance and while I buy into the concept intellectually, still when I see an 8+ chick I can't wrap my brain around the fact that she has self esteem issues, and give myself that "I'm better than you" boost.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So from this place of unrealistic expectations they always fall short.

this actually happens to me a lot, but im not a girl so nobody gives a fuck, this means im fairly (as in, justly) forced to do what i can do by myself meet my ambitions rather than cry about it like a bitch.

[–]TheRabbitTunnel[S] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

But what allows for such horrific conditioning? Surely a woman with healthy self worth would not be susceptible to actually believing they are entitled to something just because people say so. See, someone with low self worth is capable of being conditioned in such a way, and thus they simultaneously have low self worth but feel entitled to alot. You don't need high self worth to feel entitled, in fact with healthy self worth, you have no reason to feel entitled to anything. You need low self worth in order to have false entitlement.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 52 points53 points  (2 children)

If you give people trophies just for playing a sport you send the message that you "deserve to win" without having to do anything.

This sets up a false self image.

Low self esteem is when someone measures this false self against the actual reality one lives in and sees that they always... magically... fall short.

So what does this false self image person decide to blame?

Do they question the very notion that they are entitled?

Of course not... the false self accuses some other entity and lays all blame elsewhere even when there is no logic for the scapegoat chosen.

So in Identity Politics an entitled woman who is taught she deserves everything is then told to direct her anger at a target like men.

"Men are to blame for my low self esteem... tear down this rape culture."

...but it's all mythology.

Red Pill destroys the mythology and exposes truth.

Truth is the only path to the authentic self. (solid Frame... self esteem)

So the false self will always have low self esteem... this is by the laws of nature.


[–]Trpbutterbar 15 points16 points  (1 child)

So this false self image affects men as well. When men are taught that being romantic and respectful is all they need to get the girl, they eventually feel they deserve the girl based on that premise. "I bought her flowers and chocolate, so she owes me a date/sex" or "that guy is such a douchebag, he just has a six pack, he doesn't deserve her, I do since I was nice to her".

Like you said, they start placing the blame elsewhere, rather than on themselves and how they can improve.

[–]FiveLions 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right, but it's tenfold for women, as opposed to men and it all starts at home from an early age right here in America folks.

If you weren't raised with a female sibling, I think we can all remember during childhood how girls were treated in school, as opposed to boys. Shit! my sister used to walk around with a shirt that said " Forget it you can't afford me." My Dad absolutely loved that shirt.

I truly believe that it is the way Fathers are raising their daughters to not trust boys (we all know the Dad cleaning the shotgun story for a first date right??), men are always scary and bad, and let us not forget the women are wonderful effect. You hate to say it, but there's a bunch of Dads (and Moms) out there to blame for this festering monster that has been created.

Btw, she's married to a millionaire...Fortunately, he is a natural AF and keeps her in the kitchen.

[–]scamper_22 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think that is pretty true. People with low self worth have the greatest entitlement because... well how else are they to get what they really want.

Is it exclusive to women? No. If you look at highly patriarchal spoiled societies, you will see a lot of this behavior in men. The only exception being that even in these cases, the men generally are held in check society to continue to provide. I grew up Muslim and you do see this behavior a lot. Really entitlement and spoiled men who would be nothing save for the fact that their community really holds the line with women.

I have always been repulsed by this behavior. For Gods sake, if you have low self-worth at least act humbly so I can feel sympathy for you. But more often than not, they don't and I end up being repulsed instead of sympathetic.

[–]Chavagnatze 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women have too much entitlement

Its the modern soft patriarchy. The abundance of modern Western society is what has led to the population boom. This is the same abundance that allows modern Western women to live somewhat detached from males while still being wholly dependent on them for survival.

In other words they are being taught through the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination process to think they deserve too much. So from this place of unrealistic expectations they always fall short.

Not too much is serious these days. The world is full of pervasive entertainment and illusions that people base much of their existence on.

It's this falling short that is perceived as "low self esteem".

Women constantly imagine opportunity costs, most falsely believing that they have options, and overvalue them. (#GirlPower, #GirlsRock) The entitlement comes from most things appearing to be low in price. The real world is the real world and people constantly don't measure up. (Look at all the egalitarianism and compare that to all the women not doing construction and STEM)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But what allows for such horrific conditioning?

society. the excess of beta males sucking up to women everywhere while women pat each other's back.

[–]zephyrprime 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Disagree. Women are just inherently low self esteem. It is due to the fundamental fact that womankind's entire way of perceiving the world is through the lens of social hierarchy. Viewing the world this way naturally leads to not feeling like you are adequate because you are not at the top of the social hierarchy. Even if the girl actually is at the top of the hierarchy by being a celebrity or queen or something she will still feel inadequate.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why teaching women humility was once very important.

There is an inherent low self esteem to feminine polarity, which is cured through humility.

Humility is accepting the true self.

Entitlement is accepting the false self.

Red Pill is a stoic and humble mindset, so we embrace humility and recognize this through Outcome Independence and Amused Mastery. We are always seeking to perfect Game, but also aware that absolute power is impossible.


[–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The currency of self-worth is one traded solely by yourself with yourself. However, BP and women peg their currency against the exchange rate of third parties. Not only is this stupid because you can't "buy" yourself a good currency by appealing to others but it is also futile cause it includes to much variables instead of only one - yourself and your accomplishments.

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Anyone who derives self-worth from the external is a stable as a house build on sand. True worth is derived from within yet so mwny are susceptible to outside influences. Especially commercially driven ones.

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[–]Stythe 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This is generally true of any relationship.

[–]fitnessacctasdf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Stythe we should hang out. Next month.


[–]SmilingWatermelon 79 points80 points  (10 children)

I concur. This is why I'm reluctant to give LTR status to any bitch. Once you do that, they honestly somehow believe that they are at your level of hard work, simply because they have a vagina. Fucking hilarious.

I go to the gym six times a week, work 5+ days a week and I'm actively working towards improving myself. The fuck does she do? Nothing the majority of the time. No self awareness or improvement. Most bitches don't even hit the gym.

Yet, you're trying to tell me; that you're on my level?

Get real.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (3 children)

But thats how it is.

Like Patrice O' Neal said (not the exact words but same message): when your bitch wins the lottery his man will think, "damn, she won the lottery!". If you win the lottery she will think, "yay! We won the lottery!"

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (2 children)

I wish Opie died instead of Patrice

[–]fitnessacctasdf 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I wish he wasn't 100+ pounds overweight until it killed him.

[–]ThelemaAndLouise 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I know it's slim pickings, but the trick would be to figure out how to find a woman who's not like that. I'm dating a Greek who is pretty incredible, works hard, pays half, wants to suck my dick all the time, and can understand reason.

Her not being American is a huge help. But through talking to her, I realized my criteria henceforth to even consider a woman my friend is the ability to ride the following logic train all the way into the station:

Any system will be exploited by some people. Men and women are affected differently by the structure of society. Given the assumption that men and women are innately (before conditioning) equally moral, members of both groups are equally likely to exploit the structure of the system they operate in, even when the negative effect on another person is as clearly damaging as rape.

If they can't agree with the conclusions that arise from that (there are women who are as abusive and bad as the worst rapists), then it's over, because they are asserting that women are innately morally superior to men, even if they refuse to say that out loud.

I can't share information with them that might be used to compromise my life, because they view themselves as innately more moral than me, and i definitely am not falling asleep with them in the room.

[–]afkb39sdfb 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Every woman is wonderful when they are campaigning for that ring on their finger.

[–]ThelemaAndLouise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i know when i'm talking to someone who's aware of the terror of the situation, but thanks for your concern.

[–]GoldenCocaine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is EXACTLY how I feel about myself, and this is also exactly why I dumped my last girlfriend even though she was fine

[–]fingerthemoon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I wonder if the constant continual shit testing has any correlation to the fact that alpha status in most mammals is very tenuous (an alpha may only hold his position for a few years at most before being replaced by a younger stronger specimen). Maybe she instinctually knows your alpha-Ness is only temporary.

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being alpha is no temporary get girls quite scheme but a way of being. When women shit test men it's a reflection of their own insecurities and lack of confidence within a relationship.

That's why they have to constantly reassure themselves that the man they're getting boned by is alpha. It's because they're innately doubtful and insecure of themselves.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The lower a female feels on the social hierarchy, the more she wants an alpha boyfriend to help balance this.

Except because of hypergamy, alpha females want alpha males too. If this theory held, we'd see more powerful women falling in love with beta men to balance them, and we don't.

We see super feminine and passive women wanting their polar opposite to balance them, but we also see super masculine, ball-busting yet physically hot women wanting an alpha to tame them. No matter the woman's personality, she wants a dominant man - this is all women respect - dominance. Not logic, not intellect, not anything else - just dominance.

This is why narcissistic guys get laid regardless of if their self-worth is really as high as it appears - doesn't matter if internally their self-worth is high - as long as it appears to be so they will do well with women and in the workplace.

This is why women never stop giving shit tests.

Indeed. I wrote about this briefly back in 2014 in Shit Tests Ad Infintium but I will go into some additional detail here.

Women have a hard-wired subconscious state of anxiety that compels them to check the men they're romantically entangled with are dominant and therefore by extension, respectable and desirable. A shit test is a dominance check. In the ancestral environment a man becoming passive would mean less protection and resources for a woman and her offspring. So women are wired to check to ensure the man they're mating with is "still dominant enough" - should he not be, he is evolutionarily unfit, and although she does not realise it is for this reason she stops feeling attracted to him.

You can have a woman who is successful by every major metric in life, and she will still have this insecurity embodied in her fiber, it's a core part of the female character. It's function is as previously stated, a dominance check to test the viability of a man - which serves an evolutionary purpose of ensuring a man's ability to protect a woman and her offspring.

Remember that being the physically weaker sex, women feel scared and threatened more easily than us men, and are thus more obsessed with safety and acceptance as a result of their relative weakness. Shit tests are simply a way a weak creature checks to see the strong creature she's partnered up with is still strong enough to physically protect her.

This is deeply instinctual stuff, and most women do not even realise (or if they do, understand why) they do these things - yet as men we see these traits as universal among women, leading us to conclude that women's shit tests in particular must serve a beneficial evolutionary purpose. I think men shit testing men likewise serves an evolutionary purpose, but that's a similar albeit distinct topic and I wish not to digress here.

One assumes women who did not shit test did not reproduce as well as those who did, and hence this tendency has persisted.

Addendum: the more insecure and needy the woman, the more regular and severe the shit tests - borderline women are the worst for this. On the opposite end, the most self-assured woman shit men to deduce their dominance - this is a basic mechanism in which a woman gauges a man's attractiveness. Men who pass shit tests are attractive because they "have game", men who don't are unattractive and thus "have no game".

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We see super feminine and passive women wanting their polar opposite to balance them, but we also see super masculine, ball-busting yet physically hot women wanting an alpha to tame them. No matter the woman's personality, she wants a dominant man - this is all women respect - dominance. Not logic, not intellect, not anything else - just dominance.

I'm a drift about web developer in Ukraine. I don't need to extract any resources from the locals or to shmooze or sniff anyone's ass. This is mostly what they understand however. I'd say that here the specific qualities that allow a man to prosper here have little to do with the desirable fantasies that many project (and this place is shit so it simply must be 80% oturight and laughably false). If a man is not alpha thug then he is something else and anything in that other category needs to be actually obtainable and keep-able or it doesn't have much value. I'd say that cynical and shameless narcissists do brutally amazing in Ukraine. This place has been poor for a long time but over the last few years it has reached a new level that defies much external understanding. People will say "but they only made $500 there" - OOOPs, nope! That is old information. Now it is $250 or less. So people who speak 2-3 languages can be making African or Central America wages in EUROPE and it has yet to find a bottom. I find that mostly it isn't worth internalizing their mental state to game them hard and I didn't come here to lose my humanity and to be swallowed up in post-communist war-torn emotional desolation. So I buy it in various forms from chipper and eager participants to keep my own sanity and ironically integrity and I just have 2-3 genuine girlfriends a year with lots of other simple interaction and innocent giggles. My point is that I'm not at all what would be considered a "nice" guy and I never white knight and I find that dominating another person to be a lot of work and I don't need the ego kick. There is a cost to that and it must be compared to other costs, which are quite frankly stunningly cheap.

[edit] I'll finish with my real point that alpha tingles and prosperity can divorce from each other to an absurd level and then what remains is an incredibly disillusioned and cynical mentality that is incapable of building anything sustainable.

[–]stemgang 12 points13 points  (6 children)

"I wouldn't join a club that would have me as a member." --Rodney Dangerfield

[–]Kubomi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought Groucho Marx was the one who said that.

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Goes further back, research it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

can you elaborate this please?

[–]stemgang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It means the speaker has a combination of shame and pride. They associate their shame with whoever would accept them. And then in turn their pride forces them to reject anyone who would be shameful enough to accept them.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Someone once said "we live in a pretty insecure society".

"I'm lower on the hierarchy than him, and yet he stays with me, he must not be great after all."

Precisely. They will look to break you out of their own self doubt. And the moment they do they tell themselves they were right all along. They will continue this process until they hit the wall or find a true alpha.

[–]Luzer606 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Women have lowered their own self worth. They think they need more than a family to care for to be successful but then they want to have a family to prove they are successful and then they fail in one or both areas. They set unreasonable goals for themselves and other women so they will never be truly happy or feel worthy.

[–]Five_Decades 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lots of women today seem like they are trying to date out of their league, almost like they want to be disappointed by chasing men they can't get for the kinds of relationships they want. I'm not sure if that is connected to what you are saying.

[–]Luzer606 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is. They are told they should have everything they want and that they deserve nothing but the best. They want a career, a family, a loving obedient husband with a six figure income and a bad boy lover on the side because they think they deserve it because they have that ax wound between their legs. Men have always had to settle for less and were expected earn better things for themselves.

[–]DforDeadpool 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Well, sky is (almost) sure to stay as it is, unlike us men. Make an alpha unmotivated and he's not an alpha anymore. So she checks.

[–]TheRabbitTunnel[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Alpha's don't simply become "unmotivated" for no reason. If you are with a man for awhile and you always see him as an alpha, theres no reason to constantly check, unless you have some doubts about it. Those doubts come from the subliminal thought process of "I'm much lower than him, yet he dedicated himself to me through a relationship, he must not be that great after all."

[–]CherryBerryGangsta 8 points8 points [recovered]

She aint shit testing you because she subliminally thinks she's lower status. More likely the other away 'round. Especially if she's an 8-10. She deserves an Alpha. Shit test might as well be called a "Beta Check".

[–]longerdistance 5 points6 points  (0 children)

/u/TheRabbitTunnel is captain save a Ho, and /u/CherryBerryGangsta is putting women on a pedestal.

Do you two see the subtle way you project your desires into the narrative?

[–]DforDeadpool 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You have a point. But alpha men can turn into betas. Clueless Chads, mostly.

[–]fingerthemoon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Domestic life can have that effect on even the strongest of men who are ignorant. How many of us were BP until we discovered the truth? With society against you and no elder wise men to give guidence a woman can slowly transform you into a "yes dear".

[–]Trpidation 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You gotta remember too that women have low self worth because they know they are less capable than men on a biological level. Freud's penis envy theory was spot on. Women try to measure up to men all the time, and that's partially why this society is in the fucked up state we observe daily. Women claiming to be "strong, independent" etc., women trying to be higher on the totem pole than men. This is male thinking. The way that women gauge strength is based on male traits, even for other women. Strength, wealth, job title, etc.

Women have low self worth because they are created that way. Women are inherently insecure and unstable. They know their true value to the world which is lower than that of man's. What value is a creature that, for 9 months of the year, is completely fucking useless? While it is valuable to keep the species going, that still is lower value than those that make it so the species can survive after it has been born. And that's what men are for. Men and women are meant to be opposites, which is why men with high self worth are so attractive to women. Women with high self worth are wacky ass bitches, and the reason that negging works as well as it does is because women subconsciously know their place and they want to be put in it. A man who knows his place and knows his place in relation to women is infinitely more attractive. Which also is why the beta mindset is so unattractive.

OP's post gives off vibes of NAWALT and BP thinking, I suggest revisiting the sidebar and lifting. Women's low self worth does not make them how they are, it is a result of the way they are.

TRPidation out.

Edit: formatting.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women take your income and education into account for your attractiveness, but do not consider their own, unless it is roughly equal.

Also, if you are roughly the same on a reasonable looks scale (not the biased one women use), then they will think they are better looking simply because men that are not 8s are not attractive, and the woman will get more attention and so delude herself.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 17 points18 points  (2 children)


They do not feel that they are complete people. They secretly think less of themselves. It's easier to get validation than it is to do something substantive to increase your self worth.

But society caters to them so much, THAT is why they "shit test" dudes. They believe they are in a position of power, and that they can just poke you as much as they want and there's nothing you can do about it. #compensatoryfacade

[–]PabloEscoba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is why TRP teaches us to never pedestilize women. Maintain frame of being the prize. If she doesn't look up to you(your value) in some way, its downhill from there.

[–]ggpurehope 3 points3 points [recovered]

This is fucking poetry. Every man should read this. This is exactly how it is and how it happened to me in my last relationship. Word by word like this guy is telling my story. Unbelievable.

[–]teeelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, yeah that happens a lot around here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

At the bar with my mates the other day I was posed a question by one of them.

"How can someone with such low self esteem also think he is better than everyone else?"

I had to think about it for a minute then i realized.

"Just because I am a scum bag degenerate profligate, doesn't mean everyone else isn't worse."

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The correct answer is that he doesn't actually believe he is better than everyone else. His deep down belief that he is unworthy is the very thing that causes him to constantly put others down and assert that he is superior. If you look at narcissism, the root cause is actually low self-esteem, not high. People who appear to think themselves superior do so because they actually believe the very opposite at the gut level.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And they (narcissists) compensate by lashing out/controlling people, or molding their personality and behaviors so that other people won't want to notice how shitty they really are. I've been noticing this kind of behavior in a lot of younger women (and some men) lately and it is revolting how well it works. But, once you figure out their insecurity and start pointing it out, you can REALLY get their hamster spinning. The trick is to not get sucked into their inflated image and see them for what they are: spiteful users who only operate on power dynamics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Projection. People typically assume everyone is like they are.

[–]Musicgoon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Very well said! I was just going to write a post on how all women are insecure. You beat me to the punch.

In my experience you spend enough time with a woman and their insecurities will surface.

If you stick around, their hamstering kicks in. They have to prove to themselves they aren't worth a real man. So they do little things to sabotage their connection to you.

As a rule of thumb you have to make them unhappy from time to time to keep them happy.

[–]Chizerz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Correct me if I'm wrong but then how are you supposed to get a woman who respects herself? The long-term goal is to secure a healthy relationship, your significant other. But if being alpha and a jerk only appeals to women with low self worth, it seems the red pill is rendered completely pointless?

[–]TheRabbitTunnel[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A women with healthy self worth (and really a person with healthy self worth, for that matter) is about as common as a unicorn in our society

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good discussion of fundamental issue. Would be better with a more thorough treatment of the topic and explore more of the many areas a woman's low self worth touches on.

[–]btharmony 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just as someone who thought they were better than everyone would have no reason to brag to others, someone who had healthy self worth would have nothing to gain out of all this gossiping, fighting, etc.

Not true. You can have it all and still be cocky. People can suffer from a lack of humility just as they can suffer from an excess of hubris

[–]basedkitty6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn this made me feel like shit

[–]2Sepean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. There's a lot of research on this. Levels of self worth are stable across cultures and genders. And an implication of what you suggest is that high self worth women would behave differently, which does not seem to be the case.

Low self worth is not why women behave like they do.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

I know plenty of women with high self esteem. Company you keep and all that...

[–]TheRabbitTunnel[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I think you know many women who give off the appearance of having high self esteem.

[–]verify_account 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Exactly. Just go read any woman's dating profile. They all read like a book.

I love my job, loving life and I love to go hiking!

Everything is wonderful and my life is prefect, but please if you're a Chad please fuck me I need validation.

[–]Eugenics2015 -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

Self worth test: Does it bother you when some athlete does a stupid dance after he scores a touchdown?

[–]RedPillScare 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's your self worth test?

[–]fingerthemoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand why that would bother anyone. Not much of a sports fan and never heard the explication why some have a problem with it. Suppose I could look it up but I'll probably just continue reading this thread.