Red Pill ExampleBrother-In-Law Preparing To Black-Knight His Radical Feminist Boss (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table

My brother-in-law (Manny) had been part of the HR department at a very large NGO for almost a decade now. Two years ago, he got a new boss in the form of an overweight, middle-aged, radical-feminist American black woman. As is to be imagined, she's been a shit boss.

Her entire agenda has been to liberate and uplift the women in her department. Manny is one of only two guys out of a staff of seven. He and the other guy have routinely been taken to task for stupid shit. Additionally, she's re-assigned tasks to ensure that the women handle the important parts of running the department, including pulling Manny's male co-worker off recruitment so she could give it to a woman with half the experience. Manny says that under her watch, approximately three-quarters of all new hires are women.

The organisation has been cutting costs for the past year or so, which means job cuts. She recently did assessments on her department, where she tanked Manny and the other guy. When Manny challenged her on this, she stated that his fate was in her hands as she does recommendations and he might be needing one very soon.

She played with fire,though. See, Manny handles the leave applications for the organisation and part of his bosses' package is that she regularly gets to go back to the States on the organisation's dime. By contacting a few friends in admin, Manny found out that she has regularly inflated the price of her air tickets, choosing the most expensive option each time, whilst making it look like she is doing the opposite. Given that she took five of these trips last year alone( two of them for her sisters' weddings, after which she always came back in even fouler moods) the money adds up, and at this point it would be considered fraud.

Manny has also compiled evidence of other maladministration on her part, including e-mails where she blatantly disregards his expertise in databases to give the job to one of her friends in the department.

Right now, he's sitting on this card, waiting for her to slip up so he can take her out. Score one for the push-back.

Edit: His reasoning for not doing it now is that she's supposed to transfer before the year is out. Apparently she's connected in the organisation, and he wants this as an insurance policy in case things go south. He won't,however, pull the trigger first--not unless he absolutely has to.

[–]Lord_shitmeister 184 points185 points  (12 children)

Don't sit it FFS. When you "need it" it will be too late as it will look like revenge. Strike the iron while it's hot.

[–]paulwalkr 43 points44 points  (10 children)

after all, it's a doggy dog world.

[–]MakeEmSayAyy 15 points16 points  (0 children)


"gonna wait to make sure" fucking idiot.

[–]Borsao66 445 points446 points  (29 children)

Law 35: Master the Art of Timing

Don't wait, if he waits until after a bad review, it makes it look like sour grapes.

Played before hand, it can be spun as "for the good".

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 167 points168 points  (8 children)

Not reporting is negligence. Report out of concern for the long term health and growth of the company.

[–]get_real_quick 35 points36 points  (3 children)

It is not just negligence--it colorably rises to the level of criminal liability if in fact she is committing a crime and he is allowing it to go on, or facilitating it in some way, for the sole purpose of using it to blackmail her. This depends, of course, on someone being able to prove that he had knowledge of her wrongdoing while she was doing it, but by failing to report, he is at the very best opening himself up to some difficult questions, and at the very worst, opening himself up to some time with Bubba.

[–]trudenter 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Well if he holds on to the information, and only comes forward with it when it's beneficial for him, that kinda exposes him to a shit storm of his own. He really only has two options, bring it up now or never let anybody know he knew anything.

[–]get_real_quick 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My point exactly. He needs to open his mouth now, or shut the fuck up about it and hope nobody can prove that he also knew about this issue while it was ongoing.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Could go with the "thought nothing of it" until such and such event fully convinced him.

[–]Moneyley 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The waiting part is simply fear. You have all the tools at this moment but you fail to act on them. I'm in sales and all this is, is fear. Fear of getting what you want. At times some prospects get the coverage they want, the dr they want, the price they want and claim they have to "think about it" One of my favorite go to lines is from the great general Collin Powell "Indecision has cost America MORE than a wrong decision."

This is Indecision, act now, create a spectacle. I get that theres a man card here, I can see an issue with snitching here. But ultimately it's him or her. I'd call it black-knighting if he actually did it. Additionally, hell gain respect from all the bitches at his work. He can be the guy they don't fuck with. However something tells me he's not going to close this

[–]Fuck_shadow_bans 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Why would you wait for something like this? Clearly a fireable offense. Get rid of her and make your own life better.

[–]Joshua44 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I agree to a point, but there are other things to be considered. Are her superiors doing the same things? If so being a whistle blower makes the OP look like a troublemaker who could bring negative attention to others as well. How well connected is she? Is she best friends or lovers with a higher ranking person in the organization? Why is there in the eye of her superiors. She may have been brought in to save money by replacing experienced men with less expensive women.

In these situations it may not matter how "right" the OP is or what the organization "should" do about the issue. What matters is how the politics work.

[–]icecow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's leveled thinking, but it sounds like he is either going to go down soon with little ado, or he can fire things up and it might just work out for him. It will at least create a context where action against him would be seen as retaliation.

The lesson here is if he doesn't strike now, not only will she not fall, he WILL be struck down soon after the inaction.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 131 points132 points  (6 children)

Second this. Playing the card after will be seen as defensive and lose credibility.

Attacking now and you will be seen as just a guy doing his job and noticing an incompetent manager.


I'll even add to this again.

Woman always cut for the jugular. How many women have you heard going complete 180 "I'm going to fucking ruin you" route when divorcing. Seemingly innocent women become vengeful witches over night.

Cut for the jugular. You know she has power on you and will use it. Don't wait for her to fuck you because if she was in your position, ur ass would already be bleeding on the floor.

Women collapse under this kind of pressure. They can be master plotter and amazingly machiavllian when they have the time to focus it. But when shit hits the fan they stand their like a deer in headlights. How many women have you heard of that when caught in the moment, their stories fall completely apart in seconds. She will be at a scramble to save herself and completely blindsided by the attack. Her emotions will take charge and probably drowned herself, completely forgetting about you.

However, if you present this stuff afterwards, your boss will question the credibility of your claims and the tone he takes with her will be less of a pressure. Thus you will lose some power on the attack. Also, your boss might still have the Woman Are Wonderful spell on him.

[–]EdvardMunch 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Reminds me of a bar I was at this weekend. I watched a woman with a crowd of friends obnoxiously shout to everyone how happy she was to be divorced several times over. Then she asked me not to judge her. Then she got a picture made with a framed divorce paper held between her panty-less thighs.

Yeah she was real happy with that divorce.

[–]maxrp 2 points2 points [recovered]

lol wonder what the hell drew her to her ex-hubby in the first place and if she ever loved him at all at any time. sounds like another girl who didn't understand why she got married but did it because...y'know find any man get married, have a divorce, thats what you do!

[–]BeornPlush 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They often love at first, get all chemically tingled, then it slowly fades and they mistake the loss of tingles for betrayal. They feel betrayed for not loving them anymore, pin it on the guy as if it was his fault, and go wrathful. The guy bends over further and further backwards, fanning the flames, and the next thing you know that divorce paper picture gets framed.

[–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What I don't understand in this thread is everyone is like "do it now" or "don't do it now" and talking about the consequences at his job.

Is this dude so low value he can't go find another job? If it were me...

If I didn't want to leave the company, i'd find another job but drop it on her before I accept their offer. Then it's no skin off your back, because you didn't really have a good future working for her anyway.

And if you don't mind leaving the company, fuck her. Just leave. Leave on good terms and that will be that. Probably negotiate a salary increase in the hop. Yay for you.

This James Bond shit seems like a big waste of time and playing her game, like she's being shitty at work and he's giving in to her frame.

[–]maxrp 4 points4 points [recovered]

drop it on her before I accept their offer.

i did this once, then I found the new company withdrew their offer, fecking idiots. My advice, get the offer secure first then do any bridge burning and "fuck you"'s to idiot managers you got to do.

[–]FakeGuru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was a beginner's mistake.

[–]TheMotoManiac 128 points128 points [recovered]

And then if she gives him a bad review, it's vice versa and she is just trying to get at him for exposing her fraud.

[–]1mr_nate_ 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Which, in turn, he can spin to acquire sympathy from the higher ups and receive trust and other benefits — leaving him better off than when he began.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I run a marketing business, and whenever it comes down to dealing with one of our client's other vendors, the answer is always "shoot first."

DO NOT wait until you have to. It makes you look defensive.

[–]billsmashole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed, do it now and get a new boss in there before things get any worse. Maybe he'll get her job for saving the company money.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 115 points116 points  (4 children)

If he doesn't report it right away, it will be suspicious. If he's not using it for blackmail (of which I do not recommend for legality purposes), he should report it immediately so that the company can start proceedings/investigations and potentially remove her from her position.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (3 children)

totally. He has material knowledge that an employee is defrauding the company, and he is sitting on it and saying nothing. That makes him an accomplice after the fact.

[–]Rusah 17 points18 points  (2 children)

His Corporate defensive response for sitting on it for any length of time, no matter how long is along the lines of, "I wanted to do my due diligence in making sure I have the facts straight. The last thing I would want to do is accuse a key member of our organization of malfeasance"

[–]Luis_McLovin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And what will he have to show for it if asked what the "due diligence" done is? Unless he continues to gather evidence and/or clues which stronger infer what is already known this is a blatant lie easy to take apart. STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT.

[–]BeardofOrion 83 points84 points  (3 children)

This is mislabeled as a red pill example. It's great that your bro did some digging and uncovered some shit, but to sit on it and wait shows something. He might be giving you the ol' "waiting for the opportune moment" line, but I suspect he is afraid of repercussions or retaliation from the feminist(s). The longer he sits on his trump card, the less likely he is to use it.

Tell him to be brave and just fucking do it.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Yes, too often men here are thinking, 'Ah, ha! My Machiavelli moment!' No, bro. You've uncovered some shenanigans at a job you've worked at for 10 years. You're doing the company a great service by exposing this turd of an employee. The owner of the company would praise him for outing this woman. Don't rub your hands together and think about how smart you are; just be a man and go to your boss and clean this mess up immediately.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He owes the company nothing. The company certainly feels the opposite but the company doesn't owe him a thing. This is chump change. She'll burn him and the company just wants this head ache to go away.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh there will be retaliation. This is an HR dept, normally the the bludgeon you use against your shitty boss or shitty employee. Smart shit bosses in organizations often control are very closely allied with HR. Otherwise HR's job is to keep the organization from being sued and know about benefits. Most HR women hate recruiting.

Now where do you go when your shit boss is the HR dept? A new job, that's where. Dump any stock or options you may own in the company and bail. Sure you can use these small charges against her but in the grand scheme of things its chump change. Mean while she will hit back with a fury and the OPs brother in law is fucked. Don;t use her as a reference if can. After you are gone hire a company to check out your references to find out if the department will bad mouthing you in the future.

[–]John_Tucker_esq 125 points126 points  (4 children)

why wait though?

Kill it now while you know you can!

[–]alpha_n3rd 41 points42 points  (2 children)

seriously what's he waiting for? she's not going to change. if he threatens her with the info she'll have time to get back at him. nuke from orbit.

besides, maybe the higherups don't give a fuck, he might end up nuking himself if he confronts her

[–]ArkAngelEV 14 points15 points  (1 child)

You gotta act with boldness before she gets ahead of it and spins it to her advantage. Nail her without giving her a heads up

[–]alpha_n3rd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yup. nuke from orbit. don't let her know it was you. maybe you can stay on her good side just in case you bump into her again.

[–]McLarenX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I once had a card like this. A beta male colleague snitched on me for something I was later cleared of. He left his computer open and I compiled evidence of petty criminal activity and mental instability, including a poem he wrote about wanting to commit suicide. Still kicking myself over not using this blackmail as retaliation.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 35 points36 points  (3 children)

My brother-in-law (Manny) had been part of the HR department

Dear god, is he suicidal?

waiting for her to slip up so he can take her out.

I don't know the details but, if she submitted expenses by fraud, she is a felon. He has to report now or he could be implicated in a crime. I'm not kidding.

[–]MrSnarf26 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. If she is ever investigated in the future companies generally have good ways of knowing who else was involved, approved, or even knew about behavior such as this. If they find out that he was seeing information that would make her guilty and never said anything at best he will be in trouble for incompetence and at worst he will be in trouble for planning blackmail or association.

[–]RojoEscarlata 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So he can just tip the police? Better

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would put copies of the evidence in a secure place and then go internal first. If he goes straight to the cops, the company might throw the baby out with the bathwater--that is dispose of him to remove the stink. He needs to make it clear he is a whistleblower, with all the rights and protections, and he is acting in the best interests of the company. The copies of the evidence are in case the company starts causing problems.

[–]Jodasons87 105 points105 points [recovered]

Tell him to assault as soon as possible, why wait.

This is a war, or at least, men are being attacked on a daily basis.

At some point we need to fight back, and a fight is a fight, hit her as hard as possible.

[–]JJonesWisco 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Correct. This is useful as an offensive weapon. If you try to use it for defense, you've already lost. What is he going to do? Blackmail her when she calls him in to a meeting? No. If he wants this to work (and I don't particularly think it's a great idea, then he's going to have to have solid - i.e. receipts, tabulations, etc. - evidence and he must go above her head) he'll have to use the surprise element to eliminate her. It won't work if he tries to use it to save his ass. If cuts are coming, then enable them to make the biggest cut of all.

[–]1thiasus 24 points25 points  (2 children)

It's less about 'we' fighting back and more about every single day passing by being one more occasion for her to fuck him up.

She will try to get rid of him eventually. If she can't by legit means, she'll make shit up. Sexual harassment would be my bet.

The sooner he nukes her the better.

[–]TopKekSkye 10 points11 points  (1 child)

middle aged obese black woman how the hell would she be able to pull a fake sexual harassment charge

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No. Attacking now is the right strategy, but doing it "for the cause" is the wrong reasoning.

He should be doing it for himself - because this bitch is an unstable gun with a hair trigger pointed directly at his head.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

That was actually my advice to him. But he doesn't want to stir anything unless he absolutely has to.

[–]Elukka 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If the situation is as you say it is and the evidence is good, then why is he sitting on this info? Does he think he's somehow going to look good exposing info on a (possible) fraud while first having sat on it for a suspiciously long time? His excuse of "insurance" will in some people's eyes look like blackmail. They will obviously question his motives on not coming forward and reporting the misconduct if it's so obvious. Why would they trust him either, if he saw misconduct but chose not to report on it for his own gain? Is he chickening out? It'll be too fucking late 6 months from now after he gets fired. Muster some guts and report the woman now, or forget the whole thing. Don't cling to power fantasies unless you have the balls to go through with them.

[–]attemptist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It is probably a good idea to take some of the arguments you're seeing in this thread to your brother and try to change his mind -- particularly that what he is sitting on will have much less value when he's using it from a defensive position.

[–]FrodoMaiBaggins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, fuck that. YOU need to tell him to do it NOW, or YOU will do it. He will be fucked if he doesn't tell, make sure that you deal with this ASAP.

If you can't change his mind, then do it yourself. You will be making a big favor to him and the company.

[–]Sdom1 18 points19 points  (3 children)

If he's got her on misuse of funds and a few other things, he should have a sit down with whatever appropriate superiors he needs to. What further fuckup would he need?

Also, yes, if he waits and gets terminated or disciplined, then it looks like revenge.

[–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My 2ct. You want to see person A fall but you cannot do it by yourself. So you soft accuse person C for allowing such an outragous thing to happen or simply asking for the same treatment because equality.

IE asking why the heck the supervisor of the fat fuck is allowing her this luxury travel while denying it to the other workers. No one is going to take the fall for fraud or embezzlement for a HR affimative action drone.

[–]1mrust 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If he brings the evidence first there is less chance of blowback against him. How would that look?

[–]Sdom1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Blowback is unavoidable, no matter how slam dunk it is. That's why there are laws mandating whistleblower payouts - no matter how immoral the scheme was you blew the whistle on, your career is fucked.

This is just a way to destroy your enemy before they do it to you.

[–]Gawernator 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He needs to move forward with this ASAP, whiskey tango foxtrot.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don't wait. Tell him to go to her superior and simply explain the irregularities in her expenses. It's what a valuable employee should do. Forgot about "black knighting". If she retaliates, he has a wonderful lawsuit against this woman and company if they decide to demote or terminate him. Don't make this into a grand struggle against feminism. That will not help his case. He needs to just deal with facts. Don't say she is black, a woman, or a feminist, or any of that.

[–]dabayer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Execute now and update please

[–]beginner_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He should have just left after the first year and no chance of her getting any better. Abundance mentality, just like with women. Don't make any drama, don't try to change them, just move on.

Of course that is too late now. He should get someone senior to her involved (if not also fat feminist) ASAP. Then when he actually gets a bad review he can claim she was just out for revenge and make her look even worse.

EDIT: And don't just blurt it out. he should ask the superior what he should do if he recognizes irregularities? The superior almost certainly will tell him to report them. He may then say "but I'm afraid to loose my job". Hopefully superior will then tell him he will be protected. Of course that is no guarantee but at least some support.

And he should start recording all conversations with her and store all emails. Will it hold in front of court? No but having recordings of her acting weird and stupid won't hurt.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

honestly, if she's connected in the org, he might still lose even with this trump card. In an ideal world, she would have been canned already, but she's not. Why do you think that is? The people managing her expense probably know this as well, if not better than poor Manny here. Don't get me wrong, he might still pull through and I hope that if things go south, he can. But based on my experience, the evidence he has compiled will not matter if she's already favored by people far up. I just cannot fathom how they do not know about this and havent already taken measures.

edit: I should also add she has the race/gender card to use as well. She'd likely put up an entitled fight and be a general nuisance to the company. This is an unfortunate thing to consider

[–]Deckard256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. He needs to make sure he's got backing from others who are higher up on what he found before he blows it up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bingo, these small shenanigans are chump change. Especially if she is connected. Remember everyone her boss may be allowing it to happen as a way of rewarding their favorite attack dog and getting around the company budget hawks. If this was serious money she would be out on her ass already or you would have enough to go to the cops.

My suggestion to the OP's brother in law is to find another job. The company doesn't owe him shit, he doesn't owe them anything either. He tries to blackmail her with this or dumps it in upper managements lap it may turn he will get retaliated against, marginalized at best or fired outright. Even if he sues, the most you will get is 2 years income. I know of several employers that would spend millions on lawfare (years of constant counter lawsuits and appeals) than give you a penny out of pure ego and spite.

[–]rot_barth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Unfortunately need to start interviewing to line up other options. Then can drop the bomb or at least be able to say, "They discovered I was interviewing so they termed me."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what if they called his former employer and they didn't say that was the reason though?

[–]Il128 8 points8 points [recovered]

I've been in corporate America for 30 years now and I'm an executive in a Fortune 50 pharmaceutical company.

No one in upper management will do shit to her. To much risk taking on a black woman these days. If he brought that shit to me, I'd do the smart thing and take it to her and ask her if it was true. She'll say no. I hand whatever he gave me to her and hope she leaves me out of the mess. At most He'll get a nod from upper management, then stabbed in the back and then he'll be let go. Black women in management are untouchable.

[–]PoFolk 6 points6 points [recovered]

Why wait. Get in contact with the most empathetic of her superiors (Soft target) and start the conversation. This all sounds like threats, and discrimination to me. Also, who's to say they don't bring the same info to him and ask why he wouldn't report such blatant misconduct.

[–]randarrow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't do this. Some people complain about their friends and complain to manipulate, neither of these types of people are trustworthy. Don't go in without support. But, don't start a conspiracy either.

I would do a good faith notification to upper management, and lawyer up in secret.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Pfft. Manny is delusional if thinks pussy pass won't be deployed to let her off the hook.

Tell him to find a new job, and quit trying to hang on to shit jobs where he has to work for shit people.

[–]1IamGale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. It's a waste of energy trying to make this work. He needs to grow up and cut the cord.

[–]94redstealth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If he waits to long it can back fire on him. First thing I would ask someone that came to me with info like this, How and When did you discover this? Next question, Why did you wait?

Come forth quickly = done for the good of the company
Come forth slowly = done for the good of the individual

If she is connected the person that receives the info may sweep it under the rug do to lack of timeliness.

[–]kendamagic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Should report sooner than later. This is fraud and in my experience it probably isn't the only thing she has been doing.

Like another poster said earlier, if you wait it could look like revenge but if you get the ball rolling now he can make it look like he truly cares about the future of the organization which is a plus

[–]TheRedStoic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He must move now, or not at all.

The crowd favors the initiative, especially in current western culture. Utilize victim mentality plus evidence to his maximum benefit, all under the guise of the greater good.

Otherwise he can suffer the label of being "butthurt" later.

[–]diggy_dee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is going to go hilariously bad regardless of what he does.

FAT SJW IS IN THAT POSITION FOR A REASON. She is an abrasive piece of shit. If she weren't connected to someone, her ass would've be gone awhile ago. Furthermore, you know why she's taking all the vacations and booking the premium tickets? Because she can.

Unless you had some kind of legitimate voice-recorded harassment you could take to an outside lawyer and sue, you're wasting your time trying to fuck her from within the company. Big corporations are too smart and have too many resources at their disposal for you to have a viable shot at taking down a superior, unless you have a credible reason to believe someone above her feels the same way you do. Even then, complete crapshoot that they're going to put their livelihood up to take out someone who is obviously going to go to war.

[–]dgcaste 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Have him be more thorough on his claims for inflated airfares. Companies will allow people to go a bit more expensive if the schedule is much more amenable to travel, e.g., avoiding red eyes or traffic times. He has to be able to show that she consistently chose more expensive fares in the face of cheaper ones with better schedules and that she's doing it to accumulate airline qualification dollars for status. It's also possible she's doing the same with car and hotel rentals so I'd look into that too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its chump change. He needs to move on and find another job

[–]1kick6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The problem with waiting is this: if he does it AFTER shit hits the fan...it looks like retaliation, and not general concern from a good employee.

Also, if he holds onto it, they will ask why. Does he have a good reason? Does there exist a good reason?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please let us know what happens next!!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As everyone else has said: TELL HIM TO DO IT NOW!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a reason the company hired that sort of person to be his boss and it means the company is rotten. He should move jobs. If he gets rid of her she'll be replaced by the same or worse.

[–]marinewannabee97 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't tell him to wait dude. The opportunity may be gone tommorow, tomorrow Manny may be out of a job and this won't inherently guarantee his job back. Tell him to strike now, while he has the upper hand.

[–]gabilromariz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is serious: if ANYONE finds out he had this information and didn't give it to whoever needs to know (financial guys, CEO, whatever) he could be in BIG trouble and accused of being an acomplice. Get the info out NOW

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your BIL sounds very naive. He knows that she has a contract that allows her to return to the US on the company's dime a few times a year. But he assumes that she is subject to the same company policies as everyone else. It is not at all unusual for senior managers to have contracts that afford them benefits beyond what company policy allows the masses.

This sounds like a Mad Men moment. Pete running to Burt to reveal that Don is a fraud. But Burt values Don, so he dismisses Pete. Someone values this manager.

If he sits on the information, he risks his own job. Hiding fraud is a big no no.

He needs to wisen up.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My brother-in-law (Manny) had been part of the HR department at a very large NGO for almost a decade now.

Dear god, why? HR is the Elephants Graveyard for people with no talent. And working in the HR dept of a fucking NGO has to be soul-destroying....and she's EXACTLY the type of no-talent loser that gets hired as Head of HR b/c she ticks a bunch of boxes.

As the Great Granddaddy of CorporateLand, let me give you some free advice, on his behalf.

First, the job search should have been on from the moment she was hired.

Second, document the fuck out of everything.

Third, if he goes for the 'kill shot', he can't miss. Playing favorites in the dept isn't usually a fireable, even when it's stupid. She says something like, "Oh, I wanted LaShonda to get more database experience," and suddenly all you've done is piss her off.

The travel thing might get it done, depending on policy. Some places won't care as long as the boarding pass says 'economy'. I used to get shit for flying business when the airline upgraded me for free b/c I was top tier in their FF program. HR and the Expense Gnomes are not well known for their ability to think outside the box.

Many places will have a toll free number to anonymously report malfeasance, but that doesn't mean anything will get done or that he will stay anonymous. If he can do it from a sterile computer, ideally having you press "send" from a fake gmail address at an internet cafe while he has an alibi for his whereabouts might be the way to go. Without more info I can't really advise, I'm just spitballing here.

Never leave an enemy alive behind you. Several years ago, I worked with a guy who was so evil that he actually tried to get another guy fired while he (evil guy) was dying of cancer in the hospital. On would think he'd have other, bigger problems -- like, I dunno, dying of fucking cancer -- at that point in his life.1 He would rant about it to anyone who would listen b/c it's really difficult to tell someone with terminal cancer that they're being unseemly, particularly when the Grim Reaper is walking up the 18th fairway.

Never underestimate the drive of petty vengeful tools to be petty and vengeful.

1 How evil was he? Once he passed and there had been a suitable interval, the joke in the office was "Did Tony have cancer or did cancer have Tony?" Hon. Mention: "Why did Tony get cancer? Because he deserved it." Uncharitale, but if he'd wanted to be remembered fondly he should have been waaaaaaaaaaaaay less of a dick.

[–]CornyHoosier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You need to urge him not to wait. I've seen this sort of stuff backfire.

[–]Savebiglinks 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She is exposed and defenseless at the moment. Cease the opportunity or manny will lose credibility!

[–]dasio123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He should do that shit now. Don't try to be better - this retarded idea has always allowed evil win over good, because good didn't have the balls to be a little bad. By waiting, your buddy is basically voluntarily allowing that fat bitch spread chaos further. If we are to stand any chance against them, we should destroy feminists as soon as the opportunity arises.

[–]blacwidonsfw 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lesson learned, don't work for HR.

[–]1Jaereth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course this is HR. While the other departments are busy all day generating value, they are taking fraudulent trips to Mexico while the workers are playing Sherlock Holmes and trying to bust them for it.

[–]tijger897 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please update if he will do it. I am dying to hear her getting rekt.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 1 point2 points  (1 child)

One of my boys from college was on a project building an overpass style bridge over a body of water. Just before they got underway they replaced him as the project lead with an HB8. Since he was second in command, he effectively wound up being the defacto project lead as this woman almost never showed up for work. She also refused to sign off on any alterations to the designs. My boy duly logged and reported all of this on a daily basis. They built out from both sides, and when they got to the center span... the north side was three feet lower than the south side. They then had to demolish a good chunk of the north side and rebuild it, which lost them a good chunk of change.

Guess who she tried to throw under the bus? The only reason he's still in that job is because he documented it all and reported it before it became an issue.

[–]maxrp 2 points2 points [recovered]

Manny's fate and the companies was sealed the day some idiot hired her. Do not hire these people!

The feminist is one step ahead, shes been undermining Manny since day 1, saying how incompetent he is and how she has to be careful what work she gives him, and how shes being kind to keep him on. Boss will say how everyone loves her (well... the girls do! she gives them special treatment!) And shes already manipulated the team against your mate behind closed doors. She looks like a saint and your mate is deadwood to be put on review any day now.

Nobody in the company will go against her to help your mate, why? because they dont want to commit career suicide! and thats exactly what it is if someone can pull the race or sexism cards...because when shes backed up in a corner she will pretend to break down in tears and say she didn't know... and be let off the hook by some white knight or boss who doesn't want the trouble and think thats 'enough' to change her... but nothing has changed...shes decieved him and will amplify her efforts for sympathy and throw your mate under the bus. This is a lesson for anyone in charge of female staff... tears and crying etc are bullshite deception to make you cease, as soon as you look away the tears are off and shes got a smirk on her face you're an easy idiot to manipulate and shes got out of it. This shit works on male bosses they dont dare do it to women bosses because they wont fall for it.

The best thing your mate can do is leave the company. Its doomed to sink with a slow burn out and the 10 years service means nothing copared to the bosses lies that frame your mate as guilty of anything her mind can conjour up.

The question is does your mate want his sanity and career ruined, or does he want to save both and leave. Because certainly nobody at his company cares a shit how she conducts her self or runs her department and if they do then shes got the escape goat...your mate.

[–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

saying how incompetent he is and how she has to be careful what work she gives him, and how shes being kind to keep him on.

This is the thing. If you get a shitty review (that you don't deserve), you just leave the fucking company. It's the way the jobs are set up these days, and in my industry, it's the way you get a big raise. You can get a far bigger increase switching companies and getting a chance at renegotiating your salary than you can by staying "loyal" to your current place.

But then again, he's in HR so what he did like three evenings of training? He's way too invested in this job.

[–]acid_flash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you posted to tell us that your friend hasn't done something but he could do it if he needed to do it... Great.

[–]TheDude41 2 points2 points [recovered]

Remember, if it's legal in your state, always be recording.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 1 point2 points  (3 children)

damn straight. i record pretty much every semi important convo that i feel may somehow come and save my ass. happened with my car. this piece of shit guy with a dealer's license took me to the auction to get a car. i gave him 11k cash and he gave me the car. he should've given me the title, but i was a green pea back then and didn't know shit about shit. he said he'd give me the title in a couple days because this one needed to be changed. what the scumbag did was take out a loan on the car and kept making excuses for over a month about the title and where its at. meanwhile i was riding on his dealer plates. wasn't going to be long before my shit got impounded and towed away, while the dude would get away with 16k. thankfully i recorded everything and i mean everything. went to the DMV enforcement dept, talked to a detective. took about 9 months but they issued me a new title in my name for the car, the dipshit got indicted on defrauding a bank for the loan and bunch of other charges. now he's deported along with his scumbag father who took part in the whole thing.

[–]TheDude41 1 points1 points [recovered]

Great, but I'm also talking about your brother-in-law.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't have a brother in law

[–]vibramucho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i would talk to a lawer friend first for advise, even doing the right thing has its complexities,...sometimes people conected with upper managment are on the loop of company secrets, and they could protect her to not spill the beans, so even if manny has proof of inflated expenses, very likely she will just be "summoned", but nothing will come out of it. i would just let it ride, use diplomacy to make her think you are on her side...honestly if you start a war with her, you will loose. do you think upper managment doesnt know her shenanigans? come on, shes protected cause shes on the loop, save your job, she will tank by herself

[–]vibramucho 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i would talk to a lawer friend first for advise, even doing the right thing has its complexities, your lawer should have better perspective but here is my 2 cents,...

sometimes people conected with upper managment are on the loop of company secrets, and they could protect her to not spill the beans, so even if manny has proof of inflated expenses, very likely she will just be "summoned", but nothing will come out of it. i would just let it ride, use diplomacy to make her think you are on her side...honestly if you start a war with her, you will loose. do you think upper managment doesnt know her shenanigans? come on, shes protected cause shes on the loop, save your job, she will tank by herself

[–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

do you think upper managment doesnt know her shenanigans?

That's a good point. Some of the accountants at work would keep track of every time I took a piss if I had to pay a nickel every time I flushed.

[–]red-triad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He must report it now. As others have said it will only seem as if he is doing it defensively.

Another thing to consider is that if they do decide to fire him later on, he can play the victim card and say it is because he blew the whistle.

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[–]maxrp 1 points1 points [recovered]

sounds like a place i worked.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only option is to leave and dump any stock you may own. Companies like this implode.

[–]rossiFan 1 point2 points  (3 children)

There really is not a more foul person than a racist/feminist. Yes, I know she's black. Doesn't mean she can't be a racist.

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Those WLAs are so deeply lost in their delusion they will stir up inequality trying to fix something that ain't god damn broken...

I always thought empathy is much like your immune system. Sure, some empathy is nice, protects you from daily trouble, but remember that sometimes, the T cells can eat your own brain, or react chaotically to a peanut.

[–]imtryingtotry 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where did he mention her giving preferential treatment to someone because of their race? Or performing any action that could be deemed as racist? Her race has literally nothing to do with anything in this post, I don't even know why OP mentioned it.

[–]rossiFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right, I'm making an assumption. I'll put my money on that I'm probably right. But he mentioned it for a reason.

[–]Aiadon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell him to either do it now or not do it at all and leave that company to let it burn while he's working in a healthy environment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It makes you look innocent if you report it as soon as you discover it, without waiting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen this sort of thing before. As the 12th commandment says, do unto others before they do unto you.

[–]spartan1337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I concur with most ITT, he needs to act asap otherwise the upper hand will be lost.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's a POS, but, I don't think bil has a fucking leg to stand on. She 'made a mistake' on travel, and 'it was a judgement call' in re giving the job to one of her friends thing.

Tell bro to tighten up his investigative skills.

[–]eREKTi0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He should just find another job. As another has said, abundance mentality, but more importantly, WHY WOULD YOU STAY IN A SINKING SHIP?!?! Company loyalty is heartwarming an everything until they hand you that pink slip, and you sure as shit can't cash it out when you need to make mortgage payments. Hell, she's pretty much said that he's on the chopping block anyway.

If he passes it off as he heads out the door, he won't look salty because he has no dog in the fight and if nothing happens to her, who cares? Not his problem anymore. In that case, he can still look at the bright side: No matter how little your BIL's "revenge" impacts her, she still has to wake up every morning as a fat disgusting sack of shit.

[–]Hydris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like he has everything he needs and is too chicken to pull the trigger.

If he waits it only hurts him, especially since him having this information and not bringing it to light right away makes him look bad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I require updates! Let's all hope Manny can give this bitch what she deserves and come away unscathed. I'm pessimistic though, knowing society today.

[–]2Overkillengine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He needs to act now, not later. If one hesitates too long for fear of rocking the boat, one will sink with it.

This is one of the rare times morality and pragmatism converge; thus it is unwise to delay.

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NGO's, tho. Some do great work, but I suspect all are, to some extent, contaminated by the "women are awesome and men suck" disease.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He needs to do it beforehand. If he waits til after he gets laid off, nothing he can do and likely no repercussion to her. If he does it now and gets fired, it looks like retaliation (something he can sue over) and if he doesn't get fired, they'll be forced to do an investigation. I wish I would have brought my concerns over my last job to the Inspector General before I was fired as that place was really fucked.

[–]FlintShaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your BIL should honestly just leave the job. He lost when they hired an American black woman. If he tries anything that race card would fly out so fast you'd hear rubber pealing off in the distance. Add on the issue of gender and it's game, set, match for your poor bro. No amount of evidence he has could convince the higher ups to try and tackle this issue.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's consensus that he should strike now. Let us know how it goes!

[–]ucfgavin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to break the news...but your brother is screwed.

[–]FakeGuru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My advice in this situation is as follows.

1 Keeping the information to use as insurance is a bad mistake.

2 Making a complaint is extremely risky.

The problem is that there will be that there is no guarantee that the complaint will be investigated properly.

3 What is often a better option is to leak the information to a level much higher in the organization (if this applies) and to leak it to more than one person, so that it cannot easily be ignored.

Auditors, financial controllers are very good in this regard (especially if you send an anonymous dossier by recorded delivery to three separate individuals).

If the money is appreciable,then an anonymous complaint to the tax authorities may be productive.

NB the recorded delivery is very important as the recipient cannot deny having received it.

4 The key in doing this is controlling one's anonymity. So, make sure that it cannot be traced to one source.

[–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you got the idea from all the comments

if manny has SOLID evidences he should expose her ASAP, if shit hits the fan and she gets skrewed and then manny speaks/someone finds out he knew 1- he will be partner in her crimes 2-higher-ups will think he tried blackmailing here ----> in both instances he basically hurt the company just like her -----> manny get KO for sure, either fired or ruined reputation/credibility forever

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[–]batfish55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm on your boy's side. BUT, it might be hard to claim there's problems with the male/female ratio in HR.

I'm an Electrical Engineer (translation, everyone I work with has a penis). I work for....a very large employer. One day, I had to hand carry a form to HR. I walked through three different HR buildings to find the right person (like I said, large employer). I probably saw 3-4 dozen women, not a single dude.

Technical fields are dominated by men. HR is similarly dominated by women. He probably is being discriminated against, but probably not as far as hiring goes. Now, if all two of the guys get canned, leaving an entirely female workforce, that'd be a different story.

Kudos to him though for tracking down her bullshit spending. Hopefully she doesn't pull some kind of Trump-esque YA FIYED bullshit on her way out. I'd like to think that kind of fraud can sink her, but with the pussypass being a thing, you never can tell. Update us!

[–]someboringdude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounds good and dandy but why the fuck is he "sitting on this card". If it were me id strike right away.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your brother-in-law had enough smarts / pull to go for the throat, got everything he needed, and is now waiting to get his own slit first. Not only will the timing fuck him, but he might get ousted for holding out / blackmail anyways: make no mistake, if they both get fired, she'll probably throw up a professional stink storm and ruin the rest of his career. If he strikes first, she gets fired/he doesn't, anything she says'll fall on death ears or be dealt with by corporate lawyers.

Coming out on top won't matter if there's a huge mark on his resume saying he can't do so cleanly.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can bet your life savings that women will overextend given a position of power. They just can't help themselves, they need to abuse their power in one sorry way or another. You'll find her engage in the most pity forms of theft and fraud. None of them appear nessecary- the crazy bitch simply felt compelled to do so.

It's really easy to build a case against a woman in power. They are simply to stupid to wield it. Just look at Hilary.

[–]TheMGhandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Manny is very intelligent. He obviously wants another job and if he waits he'll have an opportune time to destroy her reputation in the industry. He might even be able to sue for discrimination. Seeing as he is a man, other men will think higher of him and his chances of finding another job will be good.

Does he plan on going to a news outlet with this?

[–]1IamGale -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

This is depressing. The amount energy your brother-in-law has spent to get back at her... Imagine if he used that same energy to create something of value for the world.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's the right move to make. You don't want anyone walking all over you, but wow.

I never want to work in large NGO and have to deal with petty office politics like this.