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FitnessChampion's Mentality - How To Stop Being A Loser & Become Epic - A spiritual successor to Monk Mode. If Monk Mode was "how to stop being a loser" this is "how to start being a winner" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan

This article is quite long, but I've done my best to space out the paragraphs and use simpler language to communicate my message (not going to be a regular occurrence, but I think it suits this sort of piece better - I did this with "How To Be Happy" as well)

I'll leave an excerpt here, and a link to the full article at the bottom. The introduction doesn't really do the full article justice, because it gets a lot better. So I urge you to go and check that out. Thanks for reading, and have a good day!


1.) Introduction:

When I wrote monk mode, my intent was to communicate on a practical level to losers "how to stop being a loser". I used to be a loser, I personally devised and tested monk mode, and it helped me massively, so I shared my findings with others.

Now there is some controversy surrounding monk mode, mainly concerning "when one should use monk mode" and "if monk mode is being used by introverts as an excuse not to socialise". Although I will address these questions and concerns eventually, they fall outside the purview of this article.

If you are broke and have no friends, your first port of call is not to make friends. It's to get enough to discipline to master a hobby, and then flip this skill into making some money - this is monk mode. You can't focus on others when you need to build yourself up from nothing. People who aren't losers and rely on networking to do business don't understand this, but monk mode was never written with them in mind - it was written for losers.

If you lack discipline, don't have much going for yourself, and are distracted by nonsense social activities rather than building yourself, I highly recommend monk mode.

That being said, monk mode is not for everyone. Monk mode is life support for losers who need to prevent themselves from drowning in an abyss devoid of discipline, and dominated by depression. Monk mode is a route out of the gutters of hell, a long and winding path of redemption for the mediocre who've decided enough is enough.

So what's the next step after Monk Mode? Let's assume you have used monk mode, are no longer a complete loser, but still aren't killing it in life. What key ingredient are you missing, what do you need to give you that extra edge? You need a champion's mentality - this article will tell you how to get one, as well as demonstrate its attitude.

Champion mentality is about optimising your life and relationships so that you continuously win, improve and raise your value. Inevitably by merit of accomplishment and the achievement-based narcissism that accompanies it, such a lifestyle leads to a higher quality of life spiritually, socially and financially.

2.) Monk Mode Recap:

People who create are more interesting than people who don't because they apply their essence to an art form. In doing this they add value to themselves, they are more developed human-beings and thus more interesting.

People who do nothing but consume are basic people who have no real value, most of their interests (and thus what they talk about) is vicarious and based on the achievement of others. Losers live through other people, winners live through themselves; losers invest in nothing, winners don't stop investing. Winners invest in themselves before investing in others, losers are interested in everything, but have no actual value to invest.

So how does a loser stop losing? Minimise hobbies that are consumptive and acquire hobbies that are productive. It's really that simple. Switch Netflix for reading, writing or coding. I'm not going to babysit you with examples and brainstorm a 100 different hobbies that are productive so you can lazily pick one you like the sound of. Part of being a winner is doing the mental legwork. However, if you're ailed by the creative capacity of a damp towel, I will note some generalised examples to get you started: martial arts, musical instruments and languages.

Assess your life by looking at the activities you engage in. Now categorise which activities create value, and which feel good but don't really enhance your value as a person. Now cut out/reduce the things in the consumption category, and replace these activities with those that build value.


The full article can be found here.


[–]_the_shape_ 66 points67 points  (0 children)

In drawing and painting, an excellent way of sharpening your skills and propelling yourself to the proverbial next level is through a method of training called (doing) "master copies". You look carefully at the work of an old master (Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Durer), and you attempt to emulate their style as closely as possible all while attempting to deconstruct the why behind the entirety of every pen mark or brush stroke. The idea is to internalize their technique, to absorb their method(s) and to spit it back out on command, instinctively, to make it a part of you.

The same can be done with the worldview of others. You want resilience? Will-power? Tenacity? Endurance? Take a step back (preferably, go monk mode) and dedicate yourself to integrating these traits by grafting the thoughts of great people onto your psyche. This takes time - lots of it. It's not easy to go from being a lazy fat-ass to someone who gets up at 4 in the morning to run and skip rope for an hour. You can't have Bruce Lee as your personal, real-life trainer, but you can re-create him in your head. What do you think he meant when he said "do not pray for an easy life; pray for the strength to endure a difficult one"? Do you think he meant for you to play Xbox for hours on end when shit got tough? Can you really imagine him encouraging you to go on Netflix binges to escape the monotony of life? Or can you imagine him slapping you upside the head for taking your eye off the opponent (i.e. life's many obstacles) and neglecting to do what must be done to strengthen your resolve in order to become an achiever by nature?

The beauty in this practice is not only that you can borrow and mix and match different philosophies to help you sculpt your body and mind, but that eventually they will become a part of you because it was truly only you repeating and telling yourself these thoughts all along. "As you think, so you shall become".

[–]1IamGale 79 points80 points  (2 children)

It's such a simple mindset. You either create value or you don't. Society rewards those who create value.

The answer is simple, start creating value and cut out the habits of consumption.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 19 points20 points  (0 children)

At least learn to convert on your consumption- spend time learning (consuming), then use it to create value.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What's funny is applying this to attractiveness. We all know that a man has to do all kinds of stuff to create value in order to be attractive. A woman just has to not be fat.

In other words, a man must be actively and continuously gathering and multiplying resources in order to be attractive. Women just have to not consume more than they need.

[–]barmaleo 31 points32 points  (0 children)

One thing I learned from voluntary/involuntary social exposure/celibacy is no matter how disciplined you are, work out in the gym, advance in your career or make crazy bucks, at the end of the day your attitude makes the most difference. How much you are willing to say yes, how far you dare to go, how much risk you are willing to take. I believe this is one of the cornerstones that adds value in a man.
Monk mode is great in terms that it helps you stand on both feet and create value for yourself and build up your confidence. Monk mode's great to reassess your risk/reward game as well, what are you willing to risk, what are you betting with in the game of life.
The difference between champ and a loser is how much risk you are willing to take, how far will you go and how much you are willing to say yes. In terms of a sexual strategy it's how willing you are to make a move and lose a girl or escalating to ONS. Would you dare to play two or three girls at the same time with the risk of losing them all? etc
Personally, life is fun when you are ready to take risks. At least you will have something fun to remember on your deathbed.

[–]ArkAngelEV 22 points23 points  (0 children)

agreed. The best things are simple. Rarely easy

[–]1CoupDeGrace22 15 points16 points  (5 children)

IM,you brilliant cunt,your contributions make me feel guilty for not donating. Can't thank you enough.

[–]TheMGhandi 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Instead of donating, create value by insightful comments or posts to help further our agenda. The occasional joke here and there isn't a big deal, and such witty back n forths should be encouraged.

[–]1CoupDeGrace22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Been ~3 months since I stumbled on this sub and still heavily learning&internalizing.You do realize most garbage posts in here are by the new guys,ergo there isn't much from my side to offer yet,though I agree with your notion.

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[–]TheMGhandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our agenda is to help men maximize their sexual strategy and improve to our lives. Without a toolbox or brain you can't fix anything.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But if you contribute you become an EC, and every EC gets a fresh new virgin in the post every month.

[–]1StoicCrane 21 points22 points  (13 children)

Transition from being an effeminized, passive, consumer to a masculine, active, producer. Genius!

[–]Luis_McLovin 2 points3 points  (12 children)

This resonates strongly with me, and puts into perspective so much. WOMEN ARE CONSUMERS. They buy nice clothes with husbands money, watch chick flicks, etc. CONSUME. Men, we CREATE. Genius!

[–]1StoicCrane 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Even from a reproductive standpoint. The masculine principle actively creates and shoots seed into the womb of the feminine. The feminine consumes to sustain life while the masculine produces in this respect. It's in our DNA.

[–]Luis_McLovin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for building upon your point. This is a great point, abesoultely astonishing and makes perfect sense. Men must CREATE and ACT and FORCIBLY ENTER women in order to procreate. Women must RECEIVE and CONSUME and allow men to enter to procreate.

Men DO. Men CREATE. Men ACT. Men DEMAND. Men take INITIATIVE, CHARGE, LEADERSHIP. Men HAVE NO FEAR.

Women ASK. Women CONSUME. Women REACT. Women OBEY. Women are IDLE, FOLLOW, SERVE. Women HAVE A LOT TO FEAR.

Yin and Yang, Baby!

[–]CalamariRP 2 points2 points [recovered]

I mean, look at the way men and women's bodies are made too. Women are all squishy and soft, low pain tolerance and high fat, built for baby making. Men, on the other hand, thicker skin, low body fat and high muscle, built for work. Our minds you should know the differences if you've read the sidebar. The nice thing about understanding, not knowing, this information is that it sets up a great inter-gender frame. It's hard to take shit from women when you're the one who does all the work.

[–]Luis_McLovin 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Would you care linking and/or citing which part of the sidebar is to do with the physiological brain differences please. It's not that I don't believe you, I really do, it's that I must read and understand for myself. I desperately need to know as what you mentioned about great inter-gender frame is what I'm currently building.

Recently I've noticed I've become less tolerant of shit women do, my flatmates especially (of course, I live with them and as such see them everyday, therefore I will tolerate none of their shit).

If I remember from when I fully read the sidebar 3 months ago (I went through a BIG RedPill overdose, I nearly killed myself as a result of it because it shattered my BluePill views in a massive way, don't worry about my health, I'm x10000000 grateful that I survived and I'm actually happy for it as since then I've used it as an extremely positive force for change as it was BluePill thinking which led me to attempt it, therefore my goal is now to not let myself slip back into BluePill thinking) it's that men and women's brains are physiologically wired differently, and different areas of the brain work harder in mens (such as spatial awareness intelligence) and in womens its things such as the emotional centre (explaining why women on average have far greater emotional intelligence than men, mine has risen leaps and bounds since adopting RP views and thinking.)

Thank you.

[–]CalamariRP 2 points2 points [recovered]

Nothing on the sidebar deals with physiological brain differences. If you don't know why women do the things they do and men don't do what women do, especially as it relates to their schedule of mating, then you need to read the sidebar again. Read it as many times as you need to until you build a big picture understanding of the Red Pill, then read it some more.

[–]Luis_McLovin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

*continued on from big reply as I hit the 10,000 character limit

It's the price I am paying today. Its the same price I will happily pay for until my dying breath. No one can take away from me what is in my mind, I will sooner fight for my life and die a grisly death than allow myself to be subservient, to allow myself to be brainwashed, either by others or even my fucking own hamster (sincerely, fuck you hamster inside my head, you can go fucking kill yourself)

Thank you for your patience in reading this through.

now im in fucking dread mode where everyone must get out of my way and I death stare everything. Im not fucking calibrating for anyone tonight HAHAHAHAHAHA. Not unless the chick at salsa agrees to get drinks with me afterwards, in which case im gaming the fuck out of her, inviting her back for coffee, and fucking her senseless.

Take care brother.

[–]Luis_McLovin -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I know it's to do with their mating strategies and manipulation. Most women do it subconsciously and dont even realise how dumb they sound because they genuinely believe their hamster no matter how illogical and irrational the shit its spewing out is. Whereas here at the TRP we dissect the hamster and learn why it works the way it does. Women rely on mental/emotional manipulation mostly to get what they want in life, 99% subconsiously (hinting marriage, hinting commitment, complaining, BUT NOT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. They're doing this so that YOU will act on it, either intentionally (RedPill way if you actually honestly legitimately want what they are hinting) or it works your way into your head fucking up with your thinking and being manipulated into doing it.

I do need to read it again.

The men who fail in life generally are the ones which dont have a clear strategy, and/or are using the wrong one on the wrong person. A lot of men today have subconsciously adopted the feminine way of mating strategy without realising it with little to no success because they are constantly shamed for when they start using the masculine way (trying to make a move and the girl is like "eww pervert" whatever) but then these same girls will be like "fuck yes honey take me" when a proper RP-esque type man does the same shit because he has higher SMV than the retarded BP guys who are fucking brainwashed.

I'm writing this while still half angry btw, I'm angry with myself right now because I fucking used porn (which I hate and it's against what I want in my life and Im dealing with it, everyone has got a battle to fight).

I've been hardcore monkmode for about 3 months now, I've begun to leave it just a bit and allow for good healthy people in my life - the kind that bring good status to me, and are healthy themselves such that Im surrounded by healthy good people and not just alone isolated. Isolation is really fucking good when you have a lot of catching up to do as it allows you to concentrate on everything else like fitness, studying, finances, inner-game (self actualization, RP learning, etc) before you go out and fucking apply it all such that women fucking fall head over heels for you when you make moves.

I'm working really really fucking hard and seeing progress, it's been just about 2 months since I nearly killed myself, my life (inside my head) has been a fucking hurricane of reading reading reading internalizing internalising internalizing I rationally understand why BP mating strategies generally fail, BP beta pair bonding strategies basically are getting the girl to "fall in love with you" and that leads to the "passionate slow romance sex" where its all about her pleasure and that kind of shit. whereas RP mating strategies basically for mating is seducing a woman such that SHE wants to pleasure YOU constantly (in an effort to get you to commit, she'll start using mindgames and being more feminine if shes clever and or has her strategy down correctly subconsciously).

I used to really really think the Disneyland shit was "the only way" and the other way was "wrong" or some fucked up shit like that.

I've recently become a Moral and Existential Nihilist because it makes so much fucking sense. There is no such fucking thing as morals, intrinsically. In nature there are no fucking morals. its fucking bullshit. Nature doesnt give a fucking fuck if you jump off a cliff into the sea and bash your fucking skull open and bleed out to death. You just fucking threw away the only fucking thing you had, the miracle of life and wasted it all, you "lost" when you shouldve been winning. when you shouldve been winning RP style, with the correct way of thinking, with the correct and most efficient mating strategy proven for men. DONT USE WOMENS MATING STRATEGY. WOMEN DONT WANT THAT THEY WANT A FUCKING MAN!!!!!

Im tired of being and allowing feminime traits to enter my psyche, my frame, my mentality, my personality. I've been training myself to be more dominant, more assertive, ask less, do more, dont ask a girl out for drinks, TELL HER TO COME WITH YOU TO DRINKS. DEMAND IT. NOT REQUEST IT. "Hey after this you and I are getting drinks" not "Hey want to get drinks afterwards?" and to the non RP aware people the difference is miniscule BUT IT MEANS THE WORLD TO ME. One is asking for permission to take you out, the other is committed to taking you out. One is waiting for your approval, the other IS NOT.

It doesnt mean being a dick, you're still actively trying to gauge her interest in you always, and/or raising her interest in you, THROUGH ACTION, such that when you demand she comes for drinks with you SHE IS HAPPY TO OBEY BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO.

At the moment im a uni student, full time mech eng, city life. SO MUCH FUCKING OPPORTUNITES TO FUCKING SLAY and I havent started. YET. but FIRST i need to be fucking sure I got MYSELF sorted out. So i dont fall again back into nearly fucking ending my life because that shit is fucking disgraceful fucking horrific fucking pathetic.

I've commit to improving my studies, spending more hours in the library and revising harder so that I can actually have a fucking decent chance at graduating with a first, and getting the fucking kickass career which allows for a fucking dope lifestyle. I've commit to tracking all my eating habits and gym days to sculp a body which i myself fycking love and am proud of - if a woman likes it thats just fucking icing on the cake - I WANT IT. I've commit to improving how I track my finances such that I know my spending habits and so that I can set budgets and see my wealth grow over time. I've commit to getting out of isolation, slowly, as well, because friends are fucking important, not just spiritually and emotionally, but on a rational game level they provide you with fucking status because you are doing fucking cool shit with them which makes it that girls fucking want to be a part of your life because you fucking do cool shit with your life, you're not just hot smart rich guy - thats not good enough, youve got to be hot (looks) smart (plays into earning power, and ability to run clever game) rich (can provide) have status (clothes which signify status, cool friends, cool lifestyle that people want to be a part of) and if you at one point want a LTR (maybe for a family, or maybe beause you actually want a long term companion) then some compassion (the kind of shit that BP men have a lot of, but its the only thing they have, and they think its THE ONLY THING THEY NEED TO GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT. so fucking dumb.)

If you've read this far, I sincerely can't thank you enough. I feel safe writing this on RP because I know a lot of men will understand where I'm coming from and what Im struggling with and where im trying to get. I'm not looking to get my feelings assauged, thats what women do, I wrote all this because I wanted to, because I wanted to get it out. Kind of like a personal journal entry. Except its here, for everyone to see, for everyone to dissect. And the best part is I dont fucking care if anyone dislikes it. Its feels so fucking good. No one can keep a good man down. Not even himself.

Thank you for the advice. I will be re-reading a lot of the sidebar material soon. Im seriously considering purchasing books on the subject (i dont like being online on the internet a lot, its a trigger for me to procrastinate and do masturbatory habits such as browse RP endlessly, even though RP is good I often use it instead of fucking doing something else which I fully realise, Im on the path to greatness but I know im only human and i fuck up a fucking a lot of the time but i fucking keep marching on because at the end of the day I know I have to fucking do it myself, mommy is gone, daddy is gone, no one is going to fucking drag me by the hand to greatness, im doing it myself.)

RedPill has been the best thing to ever happen in my life. I'ts given me a lot of the mental framework which I have now which puts into perspective all the things Ive struggled with over the past 20 years. Why I failed at slaying while others didnt. Why I never studied hard. Why I never tried hard. Why I sucked assss. Because I was feminme. content with sitting back, waiting for the love of my life to enter my life. what fucking bullshit. youve got to go out and get her yourself, if at all - because i used to think love was the best thing in life, now its just one of many things in life, and I certainly dont NEED it and I dont put it on a pedestal and neither do I women, In fact monk mode goes to prove that no man needs woman or love, because every man who goes monk goes without either of these for such massive stretches of time, and this is when these men make amazing self discoveries about who they are, what they want, who they want to be, and how they are going about to realise it. I know im on the path. I will always be. RP is forever. A true man never stops being RP.

RP isnt just something you do for a few weeks then your life is sorted and you go your merry way. RP IS FOREVER. ONCE A MAN IS REDPILL HE WILL NEVER WANT TO GO BACK AND WILL FUCKING FIGHT FOR HIS LIFE TOOTH AND NAIL FOR HIS RIGHT TO REALISE HIS OWN DESTINY. RP isnt something you can just let fade into the back of your mind, all the teachings, all the knowledge, it must forever be within you, if not consciously, it must be consciouly, or else a man will return to BP ways as that has been how he has been his whole life. To break lifelong horrible mating strategy habits which have gone on for 20 years unchecked takes massive mental effort everyday nonstop. Its the price men at RP must pay to become great.

[–]Luis_McLovin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the price I am paying today. Its the same price I will happily pay for until my dying breath. No one can take away from me what is in my mind, I will sooner fight for my life and die a grisly death than allow myself to be subservient, to allow myself to be brainwashed, either by others or even my fucking own hamster (sincerely, fuck you hamster inside my head, you can go fucking kill yourself)

Thank you for your patience in reading this through.

now im in fucking dread mode where everyone must get out of my way and I death stare everything. Im not fucking calibrating for anyone tonight HAHAHAHAHAHA. Not unless the chick at salsa agrees to get drinks with me afterwards, in which case im gaming the fuck out of her, inviting her back for coffee, and fucking her senseless.

Take care brother.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Honestly, I think the advice of this article goes beyond gender. This is a discipline and a practice that both men and women can apply in their lives. Most women (and men) probably aren't capable of it though.

[–]Luis_McLovin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment. Yes, I totally agree with you - it's definitely a practice both genders benefit from, of course... it's in men's best interest that women DON'T. (This is on a manipulative level, of course) as the simpler a woman is (as long as she is pretty and feminime and polite) the easier she is to control, impress, seduce, and get THEM to commit TO YOU (they fear cheating on you because you're such high SMV and know you'd leave them if you found out).

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5 months of delving a little deeper into TRP caused a shift in my old perspective. Men are indeed consumers, consumers of Women. The inclination of Women is material and lavishness. Being the hunters we are we acquire possessions in the form of expensive cars, large houses, shiny accessories like watches, etc. to bait women for the purpose of fucking them. Aside from this one aspect men are generally creators.

[–]RedEmbrace 9 points10 points  (2 children)

The quality over quantity mantra applied to sales is simple, it is better for you to have one big contract or one big client (quality) than it is to have ten average or mediocre clients. Having more clients at a lower rate means more stress and work for less money.

There was a good post about a guy who got destroyed by such a huge contract. By placing all eggs into one bucket, by going all-in on one contract he got fucked, so be careful with that. Keep up the gold work, IM.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There was a good post about a guy who got destroyed by such a huge contract.

Definitely recommend diversification and not being dependent on any one person, I was merely trying to illustrate a point in regard to quality and quantity. EG: 3 good clients is better than 12 horrible ones - in this scenario you're not dependent on any single client, either.

Keep up the gold work, IM.

Thanks man!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi IM,

I am working on a different set of advices. I have not worked it out fully yet but basically the problem is with these monk and champ modes is willpower. Modern people have shit for willpower or impulse control. And really they won't have more just because TRP tells them a million times to not be a bitch.

Lacking willpower means 1) doing easy stuff that 2) has immediate good feels rewards. Obesity, fat food and sugar addiction, alcohol, droogz, and videogames are all in this category. That is why they are popular. Right?

So I think you cannot change folks by telling them to somehow have far more willpower and discipline, what else can you do?

Well, you can figure out things that fit into this pattern: things that are 1) easy 2) have immediate good feels rewards but yet 3) actually good for you and develop you in a good direction.

In my experience, one good thing that fits this bill is the classic, "getting a pump through tricep extensions" type of body-building (as opposed to the more willpower oriented modern power lifting trend). It is easy, most exercises done sitting, and the "pump" and the look in the mirror gives and immediate reward.

This practically saved me 25 year ago.

Another thing I figured out is motorbikes. Not hard to learn, fun i.e. immediate reward, and very manly.

So I am trying to figure out a set of advice in this type of direction i.e. "no willpower needed, feel free to be a bitch, just in a good way".

I suppose I should not propose this on the TRP subs because many guys will find it very outrageous. There is a strong culture of willpower and discipline here. But I think this results in not helping guys who don't have any, who are really, honestly, openly little bitches and are going to stay so.

But I think more can be achieved with cutting with the grain than against it. Instead of yelling at bitchy men to man up and get willpower, it may be easier to accept they have none and basically work with this fact.

Beyond body-building and motorbikes, it is hard to find things that are easy, immediately rewarding, and yet good. I am still working on the diet version, for example, that is especially difficult to figure out until something like MealSquares with extra protein does not become available. Languages don't fit the bill (hard, not immediately rewarding), I speak 3 and quite frankly even in Europe I rarely need the other two, English is the lingua franca, however programming and programming languages are easy and immediately rewarding because one can just tweak it until it works and when it works there is a big feeling of achievement. Musical instruments don't fit the bill (hard, no immediate reward), taking singing classes better, because even shitty singing feels good, and every step of improvement is rewarding and feels better.

Anyway I think I need to work on this approach to life advice far more, I just wanted to know what you think about it. I know it sounds very outrageous to accept bitchiness and no willpower, it feels very unmanly, but it may work in the cases where this drill-sergeant type man-up! tone doesn't.

[–]TheRedStoic 13 points14 points  (16 children)

Suggestions for habit building and replacement:

  • how to win friends and influence people
  • ace productivity (podcast)
  • the art of likeability (podcast)

Others please add to this list.

[–]notoriousbob10 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The charisma myth. You can get it for free with a bit of searching on google. I would recommend it more then "how to win friends and influence people" as the charisma myth is much more detailed and connects with some of the sidebar material very well.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

How to win friends and influence people can really be a beta training course if you have the wrong mindset.

[–]TheRedStoic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Please expand and delve into that comment,im interested in knowing why I should not recommend this to newbs?

Waiting hopefully.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There are advices like:

Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves

Talk in terms of other person's interests

Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely.

And many more.. If you can't do this from a charming/authority person kind of angle, you can easily come off as supplicating beta

[–]TheRedStoic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotcha. I'll note a warning, but i'll help recommending it with that sub text!

I appreciate your response.

[–]1CoupDeGrace22 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Currently going trough What every body is saying by Joe Navarro and it goes hand by hand with Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people

edit:Without a single word arms akimbo is fucking powerful and ludicrous to use when people try to skip line or when that subway door opens and somehow you are left to enter last

[–]TRPatriot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg. Helpful for understanding the mechanism of habits/addictions and the well-defined process to change or develop new habits.

[–]Vasallo7G 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not productivity related but I always listen to: The Beige Phillip show (RP), and Peter Schiff (Finance)

[–]dragoncharity 1 points1 points [recovered]

Getting Things Done and the videos on this youtube playlist are both great sources.

[–]TheRedStoic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

First new ones to me. Thanks. I'll check them tonight.

[–]dragoncharity 1 points1 points [recovered]

Those social guidance films are worthy of their own analysis post on here. You might find these two (1, 2) particularly interesting considering recent post you did on meeting people. Have fun.

[–]TheRedStoic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll heavily consider them during consumption as additions to theredstoicpdf.

Thank you greatly!

[–]MacBadoo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As someone who listened to "ace profuctivity" and adored, I will look at the other recommendations.

[–]CQC3 7 points8 points  (9 children)

You have a typo at, "I didn’t become the man I am today because I had an easy live".

Hey IM, this is probably my favorite article from you because it hits close to home for me, and these are things that I've begun to realize already, so that's the final nail in the coffin of my old way of seeing things. Crabs in the bucket is one thing, but I realized that losers that don't cause you any trouble can be awful as well, because their mediocrity invites an atmosphere of pure consumption and little to no stimulation of greater action. Sometimes having a father can be worse, which is an awful thing to say. My father is a very good-hearted man, soft. He never hurt anyone and gave to others before himself, he is a loser. That mentality has hurt me greatly because he is too self involved in his own feel good circle jerk to realize his choices hurt his family and helped others.

The lesson for all you other TRP'ers like me who have great analytical faculty to impress upon the world in some manner, but a high level of empathy that can rationally and logically hold you back on abstract philosophical and moral grounds if you get entangled in those: you must detach a persons worth from their moral character and personality.

We talk about the swaths of losers out there and how they possess little value and only consume, it is easy to hold resentment for all that because we want to change and be better. Everything has nuance, remember that these can range from shit people to others who are generally good hearted, you must accept that the world is not balanced in favor of dichotomies. You have to detach yourself from the paradigms of obligation and fairness, of wanting to spread what little value you might have over on to people who don't want to and probably will never change. If they can't come to the conclusion that they want something more on their own, then they don't deserve anything from you. I say this, because it might be tempting for the more positive people out there to want to spread new insights you've acquired to help your lagging friends, but the sad truth of the world is that it is and always has been largely comprised of victims and people satisfied with mediocrity. You can't protect others from the world, not even your own kids if you have them someday. You can be a positive force and help those who help themselves, but remember that the world fucks plenty of people and they either learn to bend over and rationalize that they aren't or they turn around and put up a good fight. My drawn out point is that you are only one person, and you have to take care of yourself with the gifts you've developed and get away from that incredibly damaging, poisonous mindset society impresses upon you that you owe it to mediocre people to drag them to higher places with your new found strength. It can be hard at first, but you have to just let go and understand it's not your responsibility to save people from themselves. All of us are here on TRP and the manosphere because we choose to be, and from there, true progress can be made.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

You have a typo at, "I didn’t become the man I am today because I had an easy live".

Thanks for catching that, often when I self-edit my mind auto-completes what I'm reading with what it should read rather than read WHAT IT SAYS - so I miss little things like this.

Crabs in the bucket is one thing, but I realized that losers that don't cause you any trouble can be awful as well, because their mediocrity invites an atmosphere of pure consumption and little to no stimulation of greater action.

I agree, people underestimate just how much they're influenced by those around them. There isn't really any space for losers in your life if you're ambitious and want to do well.

My father is a very good-hearted man, soft. He never hurt anyone and gave to others before himself, he is a loser. That mentality has hurt me greatly because he is too self involved in his own feel good circle jerk to realize his choices hurt his family and helped others.

Unintentional selfishness via naive altruism, perverse and sad.

We talk about the swaths of losers out there and how they possess little value and only consume, it is easy to hold resentment for all that because we want to change and be better.

You don't even need to hate losers, just don't have anything to do with them! Hating losers is wasted energy you could spend bettering yourself. This is why I find TBP hilarious. They waste a lot of energy on us. They should spend all that energy on something more productive. Anyone who has time to dedicate to posting in a forum that simply exists to mock other people is a loser. Poor use of time. Very sad.

[–]Fylingdale 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is very true. Your closest friends aren't necessarily the people who will understand the value opportunity you've seen, or give you good advice on how to exploit it, or support you in the early stages when it's sink or swim. Only if you succeed will everybody look back and say "Yeah that was a brilliant move". Maturity is realising this.

Also asking for advice - once you start aiming for the big leagues, you will see the limits of well intentioned advice from people you know. You simply have to trust your gut sometimes and go for it. We didn't get to the moon by listening to our mothers.

[–]SmilingWatermelon 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What if all my friends are losers? Do I try to lead by example? Or would you suggest finding a new cliche/minimizing interaction time?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

You're gonna have to drop the guys who won't join you in your journey, which will be most if not all of them. Most people fear change and will try to drag you back into the pit with them if they see you trying to get out - crab bucket mentality is pervasive amongst losers!

[–]SmilingWatermelon 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Damn man..the journey has already been a lonely one, nothing I can't handle but it'd be nice to have friends dedicated to self improvement.

For now I'll do as you say.

Also I just want to personally thank you for your contributions to the community. I've seen many of your posts and I've more or less studied your website. You have a brilliant mind and your writing skills are something I hope I can one day replicate.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You have a brilliant mind and your writing skills are something I hope I can one day replicate.

That's a very humbling comment, thank you.

[–]camenossaber 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There are many of us in your situation, brother. It's one thing to swallow the pill, but it's another to do it mostly in solitude while you get your shit together...especially during one of the harder parts of the journey- the beginning. I like to remind myself of the other like minded lost boys working their asses off to become better men.. That many may be alone in the journey.. And that a lot feel like giving up. Makes me want to push even harder because I know the results will be worth it.. And I'll be in a more appropriate position for having friends.. Among other things. Keep improving and killing it gents- I'll be out there soon enough.

[–]SmilingWatermelon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Respect man. Feel free to pm me how your journey is going. It may be a solo road but doesn't mean we cant converse with our red brothers.

[–]VIICHYVALOIS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wonderfully written article espousing a number of truths I have always held to be self-evident and deeply believe in.

I think this article should be added to the sidebar for inclusion in the red pill cannon. A freshly unplugged BP/blue male would derive great benefit from this.

Well done, OP.

[–]MKG24 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Turn your body into a weapon. Your mind into a cash machine. Breathe. It's time to win.

[–]metallica11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My new monk mode activity decided to undertake was cooking. It is probably one of the MOST rewarding from a financial and skill standpoint.

Over 2-3 years, I gave myself a goal to learn a new recipe every two weeks - not just any recipe, but the RIGHT way to do it. (Example - making Pad Thai the authentic way using raw ingredients instead of buying the rice noodles and spice packet) I had to about 1-3 hours of research and gathering of ingredients each two weeks. I would shadow friends and family I knew that had experience with cooking the dishes (If you want to learn how to cook authentic BOMB egg rolls/curries/ shadow a 1st generation vietnamese/thai family) The dishes I chose were ones I salivated to at restaurants but never knew how to make. Beef wellington, Perfect Steak, Indian/Thai Curries, Pho, Chicken Marsala etc etc. Those authentic Mexican tacos in corn tortillas made from perfectly marinated and braised pork. foods across different nationalities.

Now, I basically spend one day prepping (4-5 hours) meals for 1-2 weeks, and choose from my list of 75ish recipes based on foods I love across the world, whatever I am feeling at the moment. Save, freeze/refrigerate. Today I had Thai Green Curry (from scratch) for lunch. Yesterday I had Korean BBQ pork (great stuff!). The week before I burned through pork chops seared in butter and garlic (simple but great and heats well as long as you don't let the moisture out, sear the fat on the sides, don't remove it - it kinda tastes like bacon, good source of protein for lifting). This is all shit I make from scratch using methods I learned from experts (when I could find one)

When I go to the break room, I see everyone else warming up their microwave instant dinners and leftover fast food/restaurant food and it makes me want to gag, and it probably costed them a shit ton of money. I basically eat like I would at a nice restaurant for 50-60 bucks a week, everyday.

[–]TRPHun 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wow, this really hit me. I'm the kind of person that did alright in school, but almost every single teacher said that if I actually cared a little I could be one of the best. And deep down, I actually knew this, I mean I got promoted after 3 months I got my current job, without even doing anything special, I didn't give my best. I guess it sound that I'm doing alright, and that is the point - it's just alright, but I could do better. Thank you for this post, I feel like a loser now not living up to my potential because it's more comfortable, but this is what I need now to open my eyes - so thanks again, keep up the good work.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for reading, glad to help.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of your best pieces so far.

[–]Snufek 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do really people consider netflix a hobby in America? WTF

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He was using the term loosely to mean "how you spend your free time".

[–]RebelliousCitizen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This article comes at an interesting time for me. Recently I've been through the huge personal project of sorting out just what my values and principles are. Different people take this in different ways. Some people might take an evening to discover 'live laugh love' but this has taken me about two years, and a few nights ago - although I now obviously know it's an endless process - I finally put the stopper on the endless flow of confusion. I now know enough about my values, especially the core ones to move on.

So two years ago I can see myself, still pretty blue, semi-active on the seddit page, reading 'Fooled By Randomness' by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. I haven't read it for a while, but there is an idea discussed, which in my mind I labeled 'winner syndrome' (I can't remember if this is what he called it or not). He focuses on the negative aspects if I remember correctly, about survivorship bias and so on. But even back then I knew I wanted a piece of it, that intangible radiance that certain people give off, call it confidence, call it frame... call it winner syndrome maybe.

Anyway fast forward and a few nights ago I realized my absolute core value amongst more minor points...: Ambition, Struggle, Humility, Victory, AKA winning. It literally is what life is all about, and losers are more than just social losers as the term is often used, but literal losers of the whole of life, who develop neurotic coping mechanisms to deal with the fact they are not achieving their ambitions; and of course everyone has ambition, even if only for a glass of water. It explains modern day apathy, consumerism, and mass socialist delusion. Winning has become taboo, and thus stems neuroticism.

So I just wanted to say good job with the article, I only peek back into TRP rarely now, but there are still some well written things evidently. Life is a game and you can either crush it or you can not. It is literally up to you, either do the things you know you should (or shouldn't) or don't.

[–]SuccessIsMade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The best take away from this article to me is the 80/20 rule. The 80/20 rule is an extremely high quality way to divide your time to become successful.

Anyone who works in high dollar sales can tell you that 80 percent of your sales will come from 20 percent of your clients. You should spend 80% of your time focusing on these PRODUCERS, and spend the other 20% on the CONSUMERS who you have to deal with strictly to keep your accounts diversified.

The average person spends 80% of their time consuming and only 20% producing. Flip that around and success will follow.

[–]mellojumper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another great post!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're the bomb

[–]2kevin32 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Monk Mode seems like MGTOW. What's the difference?

[–]Debauchery_Tea_Party 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It ends. MGTOW would be withdrawing completely from the dating game or other such social interactions because you have no desire to engage in it. Monk Mode is withdrawing temporarily so that you can re-enter with a better position and mindset.

[–]HughMannity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simple, brilliant, logical, and wish like hell I had known of it 50 years ago.

[–]RPsage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great piece. I have and will continue to spread the word about your blog to people in my circle.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I resonate with more of the self-development type material. In your style it resonates even more. Hung up a big ass poster on the wall - currently using the Jerry Seinfeld Method. Add in timeboxing/pomodoro = Getting shit done.

[–]marinewannabee97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would like to exit monk mode. But I am in a bit of a dilemma. I would like to apply myself 100% to college. If I get a BEng in electrical engineering I should be set. However, If I miss out on life during college, I will kick myself for it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Everything is possible and nothing is easy"

Starting with yes you can turn your life around, no it won't be easy. This is a champions mentality. Once you understand and believe this on a molecular level you'll start seeing the world differently.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A thought:

"Winners are more interested in their actions than their feelings."

 

[–]Josewasframed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somewhat ended monk mode near the beginning of this year.

Since then, I've been applying. Acting. Doing. Challenging.

Recently, I've been watching a lot of videos of Conor McGregor. I'm 200% certain his mentality is the definition of champion's mentality.

[–]1TheReindeerGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good stuff, most of it common sense ideed but it is good to be confronted with it again to keep it on top of you mind.

A talented coder for instance has his own value, when he “works” on an app, he has a lot of fun doing it despite the challenge it represents.

Personally if find the challenge is part of the fun since the most rewarding part is mastering the challenge and moving on to the next (more diffucult) one. So for me, and I think many others, it is because of the challenge it is fun. Whether it is solving a problem with your software, learning a difficult musical piece, or in your case finding a way to put that hard to pin down concept in words for you blog.

I think this is in large part the difference between winners and losers. The losers shy away and drop what they are doing when it gets hard. The winners stick to it and master the challenge.

[–]S_0ci0path 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Are reading and playing chess consumptive?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not entirely. They engage the brain differently than more addictive forms of entertainment such as video games and TV.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Depends what you're reading (non-fiction > classical fiction > garbage fiction)

And how you chess (emulating strategic principles on a chess board, or playing for the sake of playing?)

Regardless of characterisation, these things are less consumptive than watching television.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I disagree emphatically on your hierarchy of literature. There is a lot of garbage non fiction and I believe that the classics and literature that has not yet earned the title of classic yet can be found to be profoundly educational and eye opening.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A valid argument in specific circumstances, but I find generally it does not hold firm enough to be considered a maxim. Basically, percentage of garbage you cannot learn anything meaningful from is higher in fiction than non-fiction, but neither is perfect.

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That probably explains a lot in my post here, I was basically in monk mode for years involuntarily, the creating things does give you value to people.

Still in Monk Mode though but out of choice this time, trying to practice drawing and programming.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi IM,

I am working on a different set of advices. I have not worked it out but basically the problem is with these monk and champ modes is willpower. Modern people have shit for willpower or impulse control. And really they won't have more just because TRP tells them a million times to not be a bitch.

Lacking willpower means 1) doing easy stuff that 2) has immediate good feels rewards. Obesity, fat food and sugar addiction, alcohol, droogz, and videogames are all in this category. That is why they are popular. Right?

So I think you cannot change folks by telling them to somehow have far more willpower and discipline, what else can you do?

Well, you can figure out things that fit into this pattern: things that are 1) easy 2) have immediate good feels rewards but yet 3) actually good for you and develop you in a good direction.

In my experience, one good thing that fits this bill is the classic, "getting a pump through tricep extensions" type of body-building (as opposed to the more willpower oriented modern power lifting trend). It is easy, most exercises done sitting, and the "pump" and the look in the mirror gives and immediate reward.

This practically saved me 25 year ago.

Another thing I figured out is motorbikes. Not hard to learn, fun i.e. immediate reward, and very manly.

So I am trying to figure out a set of advice in this type of direction i.e. "no willpower needed, feel free to be a bitch, just in a good way".

I suppose I should not propose this on the TRP subs because many guys will find it very outrageous. There is a strong culture of willpower and discipline here. But I think this results in not helping guys who don't have any, who are really, honestly, openly little bitches and are going to stay so.

But I think more can be achieved with cutting with the grain than against it. Instead of yelling at bitchy men to man up and get willpower, it may be easier to accept they have none and basically work with this fact.

Beyond body-building and motorbikes, it is hard to find things that are easy, immediately rewarding, and yet good. I am still working on the diet version, for example, that is especially difficult to figure out until something like MealSquares with extra protein does not become available. Languages don't fit the bill (hard, not immediately rewarding), I speak 3 and quite frankly even in Europe I rarely need the other two, English is the lingua franca, however programming and programming languages are easy and immediately rewarding because one can just tweak it until it works and when it works there is a big feeling of achievement. Musical instruments don't fit the bill (hard, no immediate reward), taking singing classes better, because even shitty singing feels good, and every step of improvement is rewarding and feels better.

Anyway I think I need to work on this approach to life advice far more, I just wanted to know what you think about it. I know it sounds very outrageous to accept bitchiness and no willpower, it feels very unmanly, but it may work in the cases where this drill-sergeant type man-up! tone doesn't.