Red Pill Example"Are there really that many guys under 6 feet tall?" Four female coworkers ask me (self.TheRedPill)

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At work somehow height got mentioned and girls seriously asked if many guys were under 6ft tall.

The bottom 80% are truly invisible. Dont worry if you're not tall, this is analogous to all kinds of SMV indicators.


Being tall or not doesn't matter 100%. If you're SMV is shit across the board you won't register to women.

At work some girls seriously thought 6ft plus was a norm. Probably like they think we all make 6 figures, have cool jobs, live awesome movie worthy exciting lives, you name it.


Super short post, but hearing them confirm the invisibility of the majority of men was a little unreal.

Raise your SMV or you will almost literally be invisible to women

[–]HAMMURABl 684 points685 points  (138 children)

"Are there really that many women over 30?"

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[–]sirbassist83 56 points57 points  (16 children)

where i live they are such an overwhelming majority you cant remain ignorant of it

[–]afkb39sdfb 21 points22 points  (0 children)

That is an overwhelming majority where most of us live dude

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 18 points19 points  (10 children)

It's really weird to hear about this stuff on reddit; most of the young women I encounter in my day-to-day life seem more or less fit, maybe a bit on the higher end of the normal weight, but I don't see full-blown hambeasts that often. Maybe it's because I live in a major city?

[–]well-ok-then 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's the same effect OP observed in the women in his office. less than 20% of the adult male population in the US is 6'. These women both don't notice mpst men and don't understand what 6' is. You don't notice most women and don't understand what overweight is. Like these women who think 5'11.5" is somewhat shorter than Danny DeVito, you apparently don't know what 150 lb is.

[–]Philhelm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish I had that condition. Everywhere I look, there are greasy fat women with a third breast hanging between their legs.

[–]fingerthemoon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah man it's totally different in big cities. When I lived in SF most women were in their 20s and in good shape. 90% didn't smoke either. I probably didn't notice those who weren't though. Just invisible.

Also, I was in NYC last summer and in the span of an hour walking through Manhattan I saw more HB10s than I have throughout my entire life. There was at least 2 on every block.

Where I live now I see maybe 2 a year.

[–]gareiu 7 points8 points  (2 children)

you know this might get buried here but I'd like to chime in from my office experience

woman who looks like she can be over 30 said she couldn't see me because I was "little/small". I don't exactly quite recall what happened, but this sort of scenario caught the attention of my cubicle mate, he's about 5'10- African American and he was basically chiming it, saying that, yea who do you not see who is not 6'? Like he's saying that men should be at least 5'11.

The lady then said: It's okay, I like short guys.

This caught my attention, my cubicle mate is probably just the product of the whole media-women BS. He does like to call himself integrated in mainstream and often dresses in high fashion. This makes me wonder though, what change can I make from this?

What can you guys take from this?

[–]nobodyinparticu1ar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

120 would have been better

[–]whyalwaysm3 60 points61 points  (68 children)

Your comment brought up something in my mind I've been wondering lately. Why are there SO MANY single moms? Obviously I know some women have had a shitty partner and thus it's not their fault they ended up in that predicament. BUT most single moms I know and have met are whores who party all the time and then have the nerve to demand a wealthy young attractive man while the man isn't allowed to complain about the baggage these woman are carrying.

This thought process started for me when a 35 year old single mother of 4 kids (2 by 1 guy, 2 by another guy) was hitting on me (28 year old) and her demands were outrageous. Never in my life would I marry or date a woman like this, maybe just fuck her but that's about it. But I was so confused at her delusion. Here she is with 4 kids by two different fathers and she still somehow thinks she's a great catch. She kept telling me how "I'm such a good woman to my partners blah blah" and of course after I asked her what happened to her previous relationships with the fathers of these kids, she hit me with the all too common "he used to beat me blah blah", none of these guys were ever arrested which leads me to believe it's bullshit.

Anyway random rant but I had to get it off my chest and if anyone can explain to me why these single moms think they're great catches I'd love to hear it.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (20 children)

I have a childhood friend who reconnected with me on Facebook and I had to hide her almost immediately. She is the mother of five, three different dads. Whatevs. Her choices, right? Except she would fill the newsfeed daily with posts about how men don't know how to treat a woman right, how to handle women like her or they're all just generally ain't shit men. Every once in a while she'd throw one in about how lonely she is and how it's such a struggle and gee, why can't I just find me a man?

It's disgraceful. I know her first baby daddy. It was her ex husband (the only one she'd married) and he was a good man. I had the biggest crush on him when we were growing up and it just pisses me off how women like her destroy good men because of their piss poor choices in life (she became a drug addict during their marriage).

[–]Drmadanthonywayne 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Reminds of the joke about the woman who named all ten of her kids Chris. "It's great", she said, "when I need to call all my kids I just yell, 'Chris'." Ok, she was asked, but what if you want to talk to a specific kid? What do you do then? "Oh, that's easy." She said. "Then I use their last names.

[–]bigderivative 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Omg my whole life I thought the joke "well that's stupid because you've swapped the use of a first and last name joke" but now it makes so much more sense.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

how to handle women like her

This is one of the most comically stupid aspects of the way of thinking of this type of women.

For laughs, let's break the logic down into its components.

Guys are bad because they can't "handle" me. To "handle" means, effectively, to tolerate my intentionally abrasive and antisocial behavior. I believe that antisocial behavior is my right as a woman. I also believe that having a good man is my right as a woman. I don't believe I should have to DO anything to attract that man, I should just get one. I might get one if I stopped my antisocial behavior and started behaving in a feminine, attractive way.

But, it isn't worth it to me. I love my antisocial behaviors MORE than I want a decent man, and given the choice I choose to be alone and to complain about it than to change my behavior and get a good man. In other words, my behavior indicates that I value being a bitch more than I value the prospect of a stable relationship with a decent man.

It's the female equivalent of fat neckbeard assholes who won't move out of the basement, shower, get a job, or lose weight. And who judges all women that aren't hentai schoolgirls with contempt. Only this guy we're describing is universally despised, by both men and women. When women engage in the exact same behavior, it's socially acceptable.

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And they're the ones breeding the most with the government taking care of their children.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She could have gone after a total beta nerd and he would have been completely loyal to her. Women claim they have this sixth sense where they can sniff out shitty men but seem to always find shitty men to have kids with them.

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (3 children)

She is a disgrace to society. Any woman I see posting garbage like that on social media needs to be removed from the gene pool.

[–]199639 11 points12 points  (0 children)

explain to me why these single moms think they're great catches I'd love to hear it

They're surrounded by media and culture that universally affirms their decisions and celebrates even their most catastrophic failures (being a single mom to multiple fathers). Surely you've seen those shit magazines marketed towards them in the grocery store, spent some time on Facebook/twitter/pinterest/tumblr, or watched day-time TV like "The View".

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[–]NakedAndBehindYou 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Why are there SO MANY single moms?

Because government benefits have slowly replaced the role of beta bucks provider in society.

Now, betas pay for those women anyways through taxes, but they don't even get the reward of once-a-month duty sex from a reluctant wife that they used to get.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Bullshit, it is because all men are pigs and the patriarchy and probably also Donald Trump now too.

Oh, also i am sure that systemic racism and white privilege are to blame as well, also slutshamong and cisgender or whatever.

Anything that absolves the woman of any blame.

[–]rundownweather 2 points3 points  (0 children)

how could you forget ableism and #TransLivesMatter you disgusting cishet shitlord #TRIGGERED

[–]LukesLikeIt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hamstering if you ask me. She struggles to find a man so she rationalizes to herself it's because her standards (the man she thinks she deserves) are too high. The only way to make this true to herself is to actually believe it. Same thing with feminism. Why do you think the majority of feminists and definately hardcore feminists are unattractive? Because they cannot get mens attention they try to spin it as a bad thing to save their own egos.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The fact that you would have even considered sleeping with her is 100% the problem. I wouldn't have even spoken to her as anything less than the ugly truth: worthless human trash who failed somewhere along the way.

"Don't give them the time of day, and before you know it they'll fade away."

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (29 children)

Yes it's a single mothers fault that her baby daddies did not stick around. That's practically her only reproductive strategy. If she can't keep a man around, whether through marriage or simply as a baby daddy. She has failed as a woman.

Actually, if she has 'alpha's' kids and can't get a beta to commit, then she has failed as a woman, and is not worth wasting time with her.

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She either chose the wrong guy (the lone wolf, the bad boy, the 'alpha') and he took off, or she chose the right guy who ran for the hills. Never forget people, women are the gatekeepers of sex, but men are the gatekeepers of relationships.

[–]Toussant 7 points8 points  (25 children)

Actually these women end up more successful in the reproductive game, which is her true natural goal. She spread her genes among 4 offspring with multiple males. Reproductive-wise, she has a leg up on the Stepford wife with a mansion and 1 kid. Check out the movie Idiocracy.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 21 points22 points  (13 children)

No, the only reason this is perceived as "successful" is because tax dollars allow her access to food stamps which keep these children alive.

If we still lived in lesser times, all four of her kids would die off long before they could reproduce and continue lineage because no man/en were around to provide for her. Sure, you could argue prostitution, but that also used to pay way worse than it does today. That's not success. Sure, it would be ideal to produce four children with four different ethnicity men, but only if they would all protect her and the offspring. Without that, they would have been doomed to die.

[–]SunshineBlotters 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Obviously I know some women have had a shitty partner and thus it's not their fault they ended up in that predicament

It's always their fault. If they had screened their partner better they wouldnt be in that situation. Don't let women get away without accountability

[–]DaphneDK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously I know some women have had a shitty partner and thus it's not their fault they ended up in that predicament.

I disagree. If she married and had children by a shitty poartner, then she failed miserable in assessing partner quality. You don't marry an obvious shithead and then come whining afterwards that you're married to a shithead.

[–]Philhelm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously, the more bastard children a woman has, the greater her preselection.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never in my life would I marry or date a woman like this, maybe just fuck her but that's about it.

Almost there. Make a vow not to fuck them too. A single mom should be to men what a 5'2" guy is to women. Borderline revolting. Single moms should be left with nothing but stories of loneliness and frustration to spread around their social circles.

Not giving single moms one scrap of validation is a small price to pay for the net effect it would have on society longterm. There's a reason the scarlet letter was a thing. Whores are nothing but a drain on society's resources. No society with common sense wants to encourage that shit.

[–]1jb_trp 76 points77 points  (11 children)

"Are there really that many women over 120 lbs?"

[–]Ajsarch 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I'm in NYC, the answer to that is NO unless they're over 6'.

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What part of NY are you from? (Rhetorical question don't answer) About 60% I see put seawhales to shame.

[–]nodoxsavefreespeech 106 points106 points [recovered]

Hilarious but that would be totally lost on the average women. They don't even come close to possessing empathy for men.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Are there really that many girls over 30?

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 18 points19 points  (0 children)

There's plenty of girls over 30. Women over 30, however...

[–]AdrianWerner 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You want it to really hurt? Ask "Are there really that many unmarried women over 30"? :D

[–]MasterUm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow. Wow. Man, this is some ingenious shit. Wow. I event went through your comment history to see if you have anything else of this caliber to share.

[–]stawek 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Women can't judge height at all. Not because there's anything wrong with their senses.

Men judge others' height by simply comparing them to themselves. "This guy is 2inch taller than me, he must be 6ft".

Women can't do it because they don't have "a height". Their own height depends on their shoes, sometimes by 3" or more, so they just never get the proper measurement.

[–]B_uckets 139 points139 points [recovered]

Doesn't help that every guy over 5'9" claims he's 6' tall.

People have seriously skewed perceptions of what 6' looks like because so many people inflate their height. When I tell people I'm 6'2" they never believe me even though that's rounded up. Most people guess I'm 6'5".

[–]Essexal 57 points58 points  (12 children)

The 6' is the new 'ten inches'.

[–]SunshineBlotters 34 points35 points  (11 children)

Same with penis sizes. When a girl says she doesnt take anything under 7 inches. It means she wants around 5. Most guys would meet a woman's standard for 7 inches despite the fact that describes less than 5% if men.

[–]Namkcalb 16 points16 points [recovered]

I'm 7 and 3/4 hard, it's mostly a negative, you need to do twice as much foreplay before you can enter and even so, you can't go anywhere near fully in.

I couldn't even imagine how troublesome an actual girthy 10" penis would be. Your pool of potential plates would be limited to fetishers and mothers of triplets.

For reference, Ron Jeremy one of the biggest men in porn only has 9"

[–]Toussant 9 points10 points  (4 children)

10" is about the length of a lot of people's forearms. I hope they get their wish to try one.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Are you hanging out with a lot of midgets? 10" is a bit longer than the distance from my middle finger to my wristbone, and I am not that tall.

[–]Toussant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Forearm not including the hand.

[–]1whatsazipper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

only has 9"

"Only". 9" is HUGE. People toss around sizes without having a clue what they're talking about (not you, obviously).

[–]penis_butter_n_jelly 103 points104 points  (5 children)

This combined with the fact that women have no concept of measurement. Ask any girl to show you, with her hands, the length of the biggest and smallest dick they've ridden. It will always be something like 14 inches and 2 inches. No they weren't you fucking retard.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

While in the austrian army, I worked for a recruitment center (I don't know if this is the right name, every male has to join the forces or social works if he is in good health, so we checked for health). I was responsible for body measurements, like height, weight and strength. One day one of the MDs, which are all female, came in and screamed at me for doing my job wrong. I wrote as a height about 1,78meters, but the recruit says he is 1,90 meters. I looked at her, said sorry, and told her I will make a new measurement. She calls him in and there he is, staying right in front of me. He is basically the same height as me, and I am 1,78. I tell her that and ask her how they both could think he is 1,9. I measure him in front of her. Of course, I was still the asshole. Still baffles me, how dumb you can be and still become a MD.

[–]Tman5691 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Girls have thought I was 6' before, I'm actually 5'9". Naturally, I saw no reason to correct them.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (15 children)

Yep, at the end of the day (shrink), bare foot, I am about exactly 6'.

My friends that are 5'10" claim to be 6' and think I'm 6' 2", which is fine by me.

When I was on match.com, I had my honest height on there. Several women actually remarked in surprise "wow, you really are 6'". I suppose they were used to being catfished.

[–]marplaneit 24 points25 points  (14 children)

US is pretty fucked up I'm 5'11 on the morning bare foot, measured by my doctor.

I live in argentina, I went to the NW cost, (Portland), and I was around average yet, girls told me I was on the short side, that 6' was the average.

LOL wtf? For girls the average is:

6' 100k a year, lifted for around 1-2 years. Last time, a girl told I look like a lift... but i'm not big... i'm 180 lbs at 15% bodyfat 5'11... at 19. I'm from argentina, the average height is 5'8, and most guys weight around 130-140 lbs...

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I'm guessing she told you that you were below average after you told her your height. If you had just let her look, she'd likely think you were on the taller side, that is unless she only sees Chads (which is likely).

Funny quip: I have a Japanese friend I went to college with that during undergrad was a college b-ball player in Japan. He was my height and weight. He said that in Japan he was considered very big and most people were afraid of him. Man, I need to visit Japan!

[–]Namkcalb 16 points16 points [recovered]

A woman joked "You know what they call 'men' under 6'? Friends."

Do they have any idea how rare ripped 6'+ wealthy men are in most countries? We aren't just talking about the top 20% any more.

And 6' is considered small by some, part of the reason I screwed up with a girl was I was only 6'2" tall. Granted, She was almost 6' herself, but it shows the power of a young woman's hypergamy and never settling.

[–]foldpak111 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Women like that end up exercising hypergamy until their eggs dry up. Then they can't find any man except neckbeards who are willing to commit so they buy a couple cats, spend Friday and Saturday night eating pizza and watching television, and treat everyone (especially men) like shit. Let the little cunt rot.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yeah, tall women tend to be rather dumb about that. Where I am from (metric system), women over 180 cm (5'11") often want at least a guy who's 185 or 190 (6'1" and 6'3" respectively). Yeah... good look with that.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do they have any idea how rare ripped 6'+ wealthy men are in most countries? We aren't just talking about the top 20% any more.

No shit, considering 6' is 85th percentile in the us. So less than 15% of males in the US are 6'+ barefoot.

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[–]1PantsonFire1234 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's a comparative thing. If she's known nothing but tall guys then that's her measurement stick. Now if she got alpha widowed by a tall guy. That's another story. Now she'll actively compare everything toward the next man.

That's why I suspect that most women are just comparing you to some Chad from the past when they blurt stuff like that.

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[–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I know that card. Sometimes you won't even notice that you're being compared to some guy. They try to test you and change you to better fit the imprint left by some guy in their past.

[–]foldpak111 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've lived in Portland for a little over 3 years now and let me tell you, the dating game and women in general sucks. It's a liberal shit hole. You'll meet plenty of cool guys but all of the women here are just terrible.

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[–]Namkcalb 2 points2 points [recovered]

David Beckham and Brad Pitt are 5'11" and a half.

Then again, they only get away with it because of their rock hard SMV.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I bet its more they get away with it because girls don't have a clue how tall 6 ft actually is. if you are within 2 to 3 inches of it you can usually lie.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Tom Cruise and Mark Wahlberg are 5'7" and 5'8" and they get more pussy in a month (at least during their younger days when they were on the hunt) than you and 50% of this sub combined in your life

so lol at brad pitt 'getting away' with being 5'11.5

[–]Jigsus 13 points14 points  (5 children)

This is the american measurement system at work. 6 feet is a magical number. In the rest of the world anyone over 1.75m is tall.

[–]SpeakerToRedditors 6 points6 points [recovered]

Exactly, a 6 foot dude is 6 rulers big. most women are so vapid they can't conceive a fraction of a unit.

[–]ProteinGod17 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Lmao, one of my good buddies is 6'4. One night out at the bars, this good looking chick was cozying up to my buddy the entire time. After some drinks, she admitted to thinking my buddy was in the NBA. He's an athlete and a big dude but this still came to a shock to him so he asked her what made her think that. Word for word, she said "Well you're like 6'10!" She wasn't even trashed either. I asked her how tall she thought I was and she said 6'5, I'm 6'2 on a good day lol.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Maybe one day she'll be court side at a game and realize those dudes are all freaks.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Im literally 183 cm. Thats 6'0. Sometimes people ask if im 190 cm tall.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Im 5'8" and tell women that im 5'10" and have it listed on my dating profiles. Have never been called out on it.

[–]Purecorrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah I guess people are shorter then I realize they have shit posture.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 74 points75 points  (22 children)

Women will add height to men they otherwise find appealing. The hamster is powerful. My brother is around 5'7". Truth is we are only half-siblings; my father was a giant kraut, so I'm bigger. Yet, he has laid more tail than Union Pacific. If I asked women how tall they thought he was (yes, I did this), they would almost universally say he was around 5'10". Three free inches for muscles and a strong jaw.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

as a 5'3" guy, I must say, if you are short enough, nothing can really overcome it.

I started wearing 4 inch boots recently just to experiment. It's AMAZING how differently people treat me. Mostly because I am a naturally confident guy with my act together, but when I'm instantly disqualified because of my height, none of that confidence gets a chance to come throug.

[–]RIPelliott 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Absolutely. Fellow 5'6-er here coming up on my 40th woman banged and well over a couple hundred hooked up with to lesser degrees (just turned 24 btw). Honest to god average was a HB 7-8, with plenty of 9's (and yes once I got drunk and fucked a fat chick). Every girl guesses I am 5'8-5'9 but I have good posture and carry myself confidently. Height is a huge help with getting women, but there are plenty of us who have no trouble even without it.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People seem to see my height for what it is, and i do great, if anything my height is the only thing thats mentioned, maybe its because i tend date taller women. But my height is always mentioned when it comes to dressing up

[–]maxrp 17 points17 points [recovered]

and reduce height of men they dont find appealing. I'm 6 foot and in a conversation about a close girl friend immediately said:

Her "no you're not 6 foot!"

Me "I would think I know my own height"

Her "you're not 6 foot"

Me "last time I measured."

Her look of disagreement.

Me "you're 5'10 and i'm taller than you. how tall do you think I am then?"

Her grumble and ignores

The situation: she wasn't interested in me and was at the early stages of rejecting friendship (I'd previously fucked her and I was beginning to have no use to her after she found a new girl friend to hang with) she genuinely claimed I was shorter than I am. How much a woman likes you affects your physical status to her (not your actual appearence...but your physical status, feelings overide facts)

[–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yep. You can only imagine how many inches she took off of your dick.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would love if my emotions could change physical matter.

[–]marty2k 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Similarly, I'm 5'11". I used to be chubby with shitty posture. If I told girls I was 5'11" they would give me incredulous looks and not believe me. Now I'm more built and stand straight as a soldier, got girls thinking I'm 6'2" a lot of the time.

[–]CFNB 16 points17 points  (1 child)

They may think we're all 6' but they don't even know what 6' looks like. They just like the number.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's probably not as much a top 20% thing as it is women just being bad at judging height. A 5'3" woman probably can't tell the difference between a 5'9" man and a 6' at a glance.

[–]slothsenpai 19 points20 points  (1 child)

This is where the concept of "male privilege" comes from. Feminists (the hamsterest female form) virtually do not consider betas and lower-tier guys amongst the norm, only focusing on rich, successful, high-SMV dudes.

Nevermind the guy who kills himself due to bullying or inadequacy, or the homeless man who lives rough fighting for his survival, or the hapless husband who jumps through obstacles to please his wife (only to get cuckold, or the introverted gamer who has never nor will ever be given the chance to feel a boob (lest he swallows the redpill) or the guys who risk themselves in the army or working dangerous jobs. Shall I keep going?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This, a thousand times this!

[–]Losendos100 171 points172 points  (96 children)

It's called conformation bias, If 80% of men are invisible to you then the top 20% becomes the norm.

TBH. I really don't mind people doing this, because in all honesty I don't have time to feel pity for some bleeding heart beta who cries himself to sleep at night because he's 5'8. Plus, I do the SAME thing to most women. I'm pretty average looking, but I'm very athletic and a very well paid and sought after career.

Over 140lbs? Next. Crappy self-entitled personality? Next. Taken 1000 cocks? Next. No job/career? Next. Crazy eyes? Next. Won't suck by dick? Next. Moans about how much time I spend on my hobbies? Next. Won't shut up about her piddle-ass problems? Next.

Abundance mentality ftw.

[–]Appleseed12333 73 points74 points  (92 children)

I see it as anyone overweight is just voluntarily removing themselves from the dating market. Can't be a potential partner if they don't want to be one.

What does annoy me is that everything you listed can be improved or avoided, yet height for men is fixed. That's coming from a average height male at 5'8"

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I'm literally 5 feet tall and my wife is almost 6 feet. Height isn't a fucking make or break factor. Be witty, charming, attractive, confident, well groomed, and have some direction. Girls love confident men who pursue clear goals. That is the one constant I always observe. Will some girls straight up not want you because you are short? Sure. But some girls will see you hold frame amongst peers much bigger then you and be impressed. I literally have people at my job think I'm older then I am because of how I conduct myself and there are both women and men my age there.

Take my wife for example. She approached me and stole my lunch in college. Probably some sort of shit test to see what she would get away with. Most guys would laugh it off or try to open conversation on her terms. Maybe she saw a small guy and wanted to see if she could take charge. Some guys would not know how to respond. I told her because she took my lunch, now she owed me dinner. That night. Of course she said yes.

The point is, in my experience, frame conquers all. Including the frame of knowing when to disengage from a group where your SMV might suffer being with them. (Not being included in conversations, stuck on periphery of group, etc.)

[–]SittinOnTheDock 2 points2 points [recovered]

Haha your response made me laugh, well done! Would you be willing to tell me how you conduct yourself at work? I'm entering the workforce and I'd love to know.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dress professionally. If its a white collar job, wear a suit. Always. Make sure it fits correctly and your ties are appropriate. None of these stupid gimmicky ties. Plain solid colors, stripes, or Paisley. No others are acceptable in my opinion. Especially if your colleagues don't. I have been in work environments where men would wear polo shirts, khakis, button ups with no ties.... I always wore a suit. If your colleagues try to give you "friendly advice" like how you don't have to wear a suit, politely thank them but tell them you prefer wearing suits. Don't give a non committal answer; own your decision.

Answer questions if you know the answer, ask for clarification if you don't. Don't be on eggshells around bosses or directors. Be cordial with colleagues but don't act like best friends. Don't speak like you are in a rush to get words out. Take your time answering. Take pauses instead of filling dead air with "Ummm". Walk with your back straight and keep your head up. Literally keep your head up, none of this eyes on the ground bullshit.

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege[S] 15 points16 points  (15 children)

That and dick size, but can't control either.

It sucks but what can you do besides raise SMV in all areas controllable

[–]Losendos100 41 points42 points  (36 children)

I agree, it's massively unfair. Especially when most women look like absolute troglodytes who are in no position to select a potential mate based on something as arbitrary as height.

But you can't change biology. Height is a desirable trait for a man to have. More height = more strength = better ability to take care of her = blood rushing to her sex hole.

If you can't change something, there's no point in moaning/whining about it. Focus on your talents, your career prospects, your hobbies, your wealth, and I guarantee the bitches will come flocking.

Put it this way, Mark Zuckerberg is a short-arsed Jew who dresses like a Wow player. Yet I bet you that when he was single women were THROWING themselves at him. And do you think any of those girls gave a crap that he's 5'8? Nope.

[–]dindunuffin94 37 points38 points  (18 children)

Mark Zuckerberg also has billions of dollars, it's not realistic to assert that the average man who is under 6 feet in height can attain his wealth or influence that makes him desirable to women to begin with.

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[–]iPCV 5 points5 points [recovered]

Why the fuck up? She's probably good marriage material. Iirc she's a harvard med graduate. She doesn't look like the type going out fucking around and not stupid enough to do anything to fuck up hia business. A stay at home doctor raising my child with good intellect genes?

He has enough spare change to buy any fuck buddy he wants.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That and Mark could never pound a women until she feels sore in the muscles.

[–]DforDeadpool 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Zuckerberg is a perfect BB candidate though.

[–]atifhere 10 points10 points [recovered]

Its annoying to hear that Zuck or Bill Gates are beta. They might be Blue Pill, but they are not beta.

Zuckerberg being already seen as powerful elitist dictator, if he actually start acting like an alpha then facebook's PR would be doomed.

[–]Thomaskingo 4 points4 points [recovered]

Bill Gates is Alpha as fuck!!!


In his youth he loved speeding, which is why there is a mugshot of him (fucking smiling). Gates have archived so much shit by himself and his leadership.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Let us note that he went with a first generation American, a Asian woman. He didn't go white, black, or Jewish. I hope it works out for him

[–]DforDeadpool 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There are no unicorns in any nation though. Just relatively decent ones.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 8 points9 points  (2 children)

And do you think any of those girls gave a crap that he's 5'8? Nope.

Conor McGregor, I believe, is all of 5'9''

"Oh, I suppose he would have so much trouble with women if you took away his fame

No physical fitness, no charm, no confidence! I bet he was awful with women before he was well known" - - BPers everywhere

[–]gareiu 7 points8 points  (0 children)

dudes... 5'9 isn't even that short

try 5'5 and under, people here are just whiners. If you're 5'7+++ then please rethink your values

[–]Appleseed12333 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I fully agree. More height = more strength. And attraction can't be negotiated. But I hate that even if I'm as strong as a tall guy, her sex drive will still prefer height (to a point ofc).

But no point complaining. So many other areas to compensate with.

[–]atifhere 6 points6 points [recovered]

From my experience the change thing for me was much easier to achieve than fat girls. I'm 5'5" and was always shit tested or simply reminded about it by both men and women, my childhood girl friend often called me manlet and even told me that she says to her friends that I am like a little sister to her. Surely it was all painful, but still even on my BP days I used to face this humiliation like a man and never let them know that this stuff kills me from inside. Especially hearing such stuff from my childhood friend used to give me physical pain; I clearly felt the pain in my back as if someone was stabbing with knives.

Now things have turned out in such way the very same friend have told me few weeks ago that she is willing to forget her Muslim values just to please me and fulfill my needs.

The only thing I needed to change was my mindset by swallowing TRP, which is virtually free of cost. While the fat girls out there need to do some serious sacrifice.

The only lesson I want anyone to learn from this anecdote is to stop making excuses. Yes, height matters and statistically short people are less probable of success in dating and career. After accepting this one of the many harsh reality you have choice to either get depressed and blame all the failures in your life of your short height, or just start fighting harder.

Yeah I know some whiners would say that ok I'll put some extra efforts, but its so depressing and unfair that I have to put extra efforts to get the same or less result which chad gets by not even trying. Welcome to the world kid! Life's unfair, fucking get over it. You are already taking so many things for granted, you could been born with a chad genes but into a Muslim household, and probably died a virgin by blowing yourself up...

You cannot increase your height but you can increase the size of your biceps. You'll be surprised how big biceps compensate for all the shortcomings in you. You'll face existential crisis when you'll see women approaching you for your biceps and this is the time you'll realize that your intellect means shit to them, which required more devotion in developing than the biceps. World is superficial brah! Stay safe brah! sloots everywhere

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

While I agree with you, seeing as I'm only 5'9, I actually do something similar. I don't find girls above 5'6 very attractive at all and any LTR I've ever had has been shorter than 5'3. Yeah, it's frustrating that you can't control height, there's plenty of things they can't control either (like being ugly) just be thankful you were born with a dick and can make up any genetic imperfections you have with personality, status, money and getting in shape.

[–]Benny757 10 points11 points  (12 children)

I'm 5'8 as well (actually 7 3/4's but damned if I'll give up my 5'8.) There are a couple of things we can do as short guys. Posture can be improved and holding our head high and eyes firm can help. but another thing we can do is wear the right shoes. Find boots with a good heal. You can gain over a good inch and styles are everywhere. Check out the reviews for products under the search "shoe lifts" on a m a z o n. Add to boots and you gain two to three inches. I'm now a 5'9 to 5'10 man. Minimal discomfort. Worth a try.

[–]Appleseed12333 24 points25 points  (4 children)

We're NOT short. Its the average lol.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What happens when you bring her over, take off your shoes, and you're suddenly 3 inches shorter?

Coming from a 5'6" - 5'7".

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

you're already in bed so who cares?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

After she takes off her heels she won't notice

[–]5t3fan0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

once in a while i find myself thinking "wish i was taller/ had more hair-beard/ more simmetrical face" .... then i remember those born with leukemia or hiv or something else that one day will just pop-dead

AAAND suddenly i realize im a fucking lucky idiot with the goddamn best genetic i could wish for (and i also feel like crying a bit for the unlucky ones)

[–]penis_butter_n_jelly 7 points8 points  (1 child)

TP bros shouldn't hate. Women, even swamp donkeys legitimately have abundance. Yes, the well eventually dries up, but that's not the point. The point is, be in the top 20% (shit be in the top 5%) and then you can have the same mentality.

[–]acartoontiger 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Swamp donkeys, new favorite descriptor.

*I know this adds nothing to the topic, but i literally laughed out loud. Nice

[–]dindunuffin94 20 points21 points  (11 children)

Absolutely true, women don't see the outstanding majority of men as men, or potential partners anyway. If an individual does not have height and good looks he just doesn't register to women.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (10 children)

could you look at a photo of a guy and say how tall he was? Do you think she'd be any better at it?

I guarantee that there's a ton of 5'8 six footers that she's been interested in.

Hell, ever notice that a guys dick is huge, until they break up? then he's gay, and has a small one? Girls have no banana for scale

[–]dindunuffin94 17 points18 points  (8 children)

No, but I could look at a man and estimate his height in person, which I think women are capable of and do on a day to day basis.



[–]atifhere 4 points4 points [recovered]

These two women are the abnormalities, not the Taylor.

He is 5'9", and the women look 5'11" and 6'

[–]dindunuffin94 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Or are women of average height wearing heels

[–]sassypaella 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If you give her tingles, you will become taller; if you are a loser, you are a short loser. Of course, if a girl is 5'8'' and you are shorter she will notice, but the point is, girls are terrible at actually telling height.

[–]Sdom1 32 points33 points  (15 children)

One thing to remember is that women are absolutely TERRIBLE judges of anything's size. Their spatial reasoning is not as good as the average man's. Plus, they're shorter than men, so combine the bad spatial reasoning with the fact that they're looking up, and they really don't know how tall you are. They might think a 5'10 guy is 6'0. They do the same thing with dicks - fuck them well and they think your dick is big, oftentimes.

Fun game, ask them to mark off 6'' on a piece of paper. They tend to fail.

In other words, unless you're a real shorty or she's tall, most women aren't all that great at telling height.

[–]KnowBrainer 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I'm 5'9". Asked a girl who is exactly my height, she said she's 5'8" and I'm 6 feet.

[–]VCR_Lube 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Contrary, I'm exactly 5'8" and my gf thinks I'm 5'5". People are terrible at judging height.

[–]Lo-G 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds more like your gf thinks you're beta.

[–]MachoMonk 7 points8 points  (4 children)

im 5"9 and consistently thought to be like 5"11. They also are stupid with dicksizes. If you are slightly above average and shes attracted to you, you are suddenly like 9 inches

[–]bat_mayn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many women have no concept of measurements - it's all social status and poor judgment as you said. It's the same with dick size, so many women will claim to have been with a guy who had a huge dick if you ask them about it. Over 10 inches or more. Most of them are full of shit or have no clue, they'll just take the guy's word for it.

"Really - 11 inches?"

"Yeah, measured from the bottom of the asshole of course."

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I'm 179 cm according to my drivers license, that's 70.5 inches. I say I'm 5'11. Most girls think I'm 6, but I always say 5'11. I'm pretty much average height when it comes to American males but compared to the rest of the world I'm tall. Average male height in India is 5'5, it's like 5'4 in Nigeria.

Many guys I know lie about their height but I am not sure if a lot of girls pick up on it. Many add an inch or two. One of my friends is 6'1 and he says he's 6'2. I know a guy who's 5'7 who says he's 5'9. Boggles my mind how none of the girls they date ever double check or doubt their claims.

That being said the 5'7 guy is ripped as fuck. Has dated hotter girls than me and my 6'1 buddy. I think height is overrated, looks (body and face), money, status symbol and power are more important.

[–]ImHereAtLast 3 points3 points [recovered]

I'm just over 6', but I always say I'm 6'1. The only girl I've been with who's ever called me out on my bullshit was a 5'10 aerospace engineering major with better spatial awareness than most men. Literally every other girl was clueless when it came to that one embellished inch, with one even saying in response to me asking her how tall she thought I was "I dunno, all I see is that you're 'up there!'"

[–]Benny757 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm sitting here in my cube in corporate land just waiting for 5:00 o'clock somewhere to happen. 2 dudes surrounded by roughly 10 gals. Only 2 out of 10 are noteworthy. 8 are invisible to me. I guess we really aren't all that far apart after all...

Have a great weekend friends and 'Pillers!

[–]Relevantex 6 points6 points [recovered]

The best part is women are even worse with dick size. If she finds you attractive, congrats you now have a 7 incher. If she doesn't you now have a 4 incher. Your actual size barely even matters.

[–]yourpasswordissex420 9 points10 points  (3 children)

You ever hear the saying you are the average of the people you hang out with.

I am going out on a limb here, but if these chicks are hot, they are probably going to have male friends that are in the same ballpark of attractiveness. While, unattractive people will hang out with people in they're respective league.

That's my theory at least.

Source: My ass

*EDIT: Most important point is that manlets commonly lie about their height. An experiment found men on average lied 1.5" on their fucking driver licence, how bad do you think it is for online dating. There is a good chance the 6' standard some women have is really 1 5'10" standard.


[–]OilyB 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Are there really that many women with IQs lower than 120?"

" Are there really that many women with reasonable to bad music taste?"

"Are there really that many women that don't absolutely love anal sex and swallow?"

"Are there really that many women that are emotionally unstable?"

"Are there really that many women who are chubby or fat and greasy?"

"Are there really that many women that nag and complain?"


And it's fucking liberating.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I got told the same thing by the lady who cuts my hair. She won't date a guy unless he's at least 6" taller than her and she stands 5'1". She also said that she prefers 6' and up.

The thing that caught me was her comment that she doesn't understand why height is so important to her either.

[–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think in the USA about 5-in-6 are under 6 feet while in Scandinavia it is the average. But the misperceptions are just another manifestation of the OKCupid data that showed women think that something like 80% of men are below average in looks.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I used to hear much more of this height priority from pre-wall women. For post wall women no one cares what they think for one, and two they tend to become much less selective.

[–]scarletspider3 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Chick's are stupid. They'll believe anything a man with status tells them

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like height is like big tits. It's one feature that we really like, but if they're not the biggest, she can still be a dime based on other factors.

[–]indlife 5 points5 points [recovered]

It seems the whole 6' thing is a recent fad for younger (teens, college age) women. I'm late 30s and at 5'9", I actually had plenty of women show interest in me, even some taller girls, girls that were almost as tall as me. What harmed me were beta traits like instantly wanting a relationship, telling non-virgins that their past bothered me because I was still one, etc.. I remember that one of the shorter guys in my high school class was literally the most popular guy in my class and the entire school. Dated plenty of good looking girls, likely hooked up with others during the times he was single. Guy was nice to everyone also.

[–]MachoMonk 2 points3 points  (2 children)

i think this is more of them thinking any dude 5"9+ is 6 feet. Honestly i have friends who are 5"6 that insist they are 5"9. I'm a real 5"9 and its hilarious how many bitches will insist im like 5"11+.

my theory about this is that anyone whos legit under 5"7 is just seen as undateable unless they have considerable SMV in other fields and women just assume like anyone 5"8 or over is around 6 feet.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

fuck all 4 of those women.

how you want to read that is open to interpretation.

[–]MeatCurtainRod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Raise your SMV or you will almost literally be invisible to women

This. People are given a random-ish hand of cards when they are born. Some men are given height, some are given other features. If you are lacking in some aspects, work on others to make up for the differences. SMV is still SMV, and if you work hard enough, height means nothing.

Case in point: many people would sleep with tom cruise if given the chance.

[–]beta_tingles 2 points3 points  (0 children)


Today, was told by female (college educated) who works with the most violent felons in my state, hands on, every day, that their behavior is typical of most young men that age - 17-21. (conclusion based on comparing behavior of felons' to those of young men she met in high school and university)

Nice guys are not men in the eyes of women.

[–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Look at the bright side, if you're invisible to women you won't have to deal with alimony and child support :)

[–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If you all would be as unapologetic and merciless with your personal opinion of the features a girl has to have (no more than 130 pounds if average height, not older than 25, long hair etc.) as you are with the importance of height we all would not have this endless discussion because girls would actually fight over a guy.

Anecdotical evidence: My first plate accused me she could find another guy who is taller and more ripped than me (175 lean muscle and 5'9 isn't obviously not doing the trick) I just replied: if she does not become 5 pounds lighter and more respectfull she will need to find another man in two weeks. --> mental breakdown.

[–]Polaris382 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I dont know, I think people focus/worry too much about height.

Im 5'9" and have NEVER felt insecure about or hindered by it (not to say its never happened though, Im not a psychic). I really dont feel like its that big of a deal. Granted, if I were like 5'5" or something I might feel a little different...

[–]RetiredTimeHo 10 points11 points  (1 child)

5'9" and have NEVER felt insecure about or hindered by it

Well that's average height. At 5'9" your height is neutral. It's not tall but it's not short. It neither hurts you nor helps you.

At 5'11" and above your height is helping you with women. It's boosting your SMV by virtue of height alone. Women are selecting you because of your height.

At 5'7" and below your height is actively and directly hurting your chances with women. Women are now DISQUALIFYING you as a potential mate.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. I'm 5'10 and was trying to get with this 5'9 Russian chick. She said I was so short for a man.

Learned something new, if you want to meet women wear shoes that add at least 1" to your height. Also, Cowboy boots are high heels for men that's acceptable in certain environments. If you like country, congrats you just gained 3 inches on your height the next time you go to a concert.

[–]verify_account 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Christ I'm 6'2" and this still brings back the anger in me. I'd say I'm taller than 80% of the people I meet but we forget the bottom 80% of men are invisible to even the most average woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

speak for yourself. I'm 5'8, and never had a problem being noticed.

the trick is to walk up and fucking say hi. All of a sudden your visibility increases exponentially. Fill out a shirt and be more interesting than a log, bamn

[–]1v1crown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another thing to remember is that since women don't understand basic concepts, a woman may think that 5' 8" is her definition of 6'.

Since women are shorter than men, and look up to them, their perspective is skewed. In other words, if you lined up a bunch of guys in random order and the heights ranged from 5' 1" to 6' 8", I would EXTREMELY surprised if she guessed which guy was 6' tall.

In other words, even if you aren't 6' tall, don't worry, to an extent they more than likely don't know the difference.

[–]JohnGalt316 1 point2 points  (1 child)

10% of men are over 6 ft tall

1% of men make six figures and are over 6 ft tall

[–]Captnj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't always use statistics, but when I do they are made up

[–]yumyumgivemesome 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Being tall or not doesn't matter 100%. If you're SMV is shit across the board you won't register to women.

On tinder, I've definitely had girls straight-up ask my height and then go completely silent when I tell them 5'8". Recently, I met up a feminist (whose profile specifically says "no hookups") who disappointedly told me that I looked much smaller than in my pictures.

Two main lessons: (1) Confirmation that height is fucking important to even the girls who supposedly live the least superficial lives. (2) Even feminazis want to fuck ;)

[–]jaysenbergmercier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing is most girls can't judge height for shit and overestimate height. If your taller than them they seem to automatically think your over 6ft even if your not. Unless shes only 5 feet tall and your just taller than her

[–]1MajorMid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women especially short women don't know how to judge height.

I've been asked if I was 6'1 before. I'm 5'8 1/2 barefoot at most.

[–]UCISee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. I'm 5'11" and some change. LTR's let dude was like 6'4" or some shit. She makes offhand comments sometimes about not being able to wear heels. FYI she's 5'6". She had some pictures developed and they showed I'm nearly a head taller than her. Women simply have a terrible eye for measurements. I mean, why do you think every chick thinks every dude has an 10" dick?

[–]bigcitytruth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Matthew McConaughey and David Beckham are all 5'11".

[–]das_superbus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think they're an accurate judge of height though.

[–]eyearena 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not only is raising your SMV important but also not taking shit and leading is important. I'm 5'9 and probably more like 5'10ish with shoes. I once dated a guy who was 5'8 and I felt like I had to be the more dominant one even though I weighed significantly less. Little simple things like ordering food or walking through a crowd of people, I felt like he was smaller and therefore some how weaker; I felt like I had to lead. It was weird because he was beta with me but the girl he dated before me was like 5'1 and he was obviously quite the alpha in the relationship. If you;re short at least be buff, have confidence, and lead strong.

[–]LegendzNvrDie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should have asked are there really that many obese women out there ? I just assumed all women are fit and take care of themselves.

[–]Fuck_shadow_bans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, there are. As someone who is 6'2", I am in the top 5% globally and historically of all people

~90% of men are shorter than 6'0". But then again, it is a woman we are talking about so of course her perception of reality is more important than actual reality.

[–]Cristoff13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Woman have always had a preference for men taller than themselves. Very recently though this has been exaggerated to the point of absurdity. Do they realize how very recent (like the past 20 years) this overwhelming obsession with height is? And how few men (~15%) are 6' or taller?

This is tied in with prestige. The perception of prestige is determined largely by fashion and social trends, and many younger women have now determined any man of average height or less is un-prestigious. Women are obsessed with gaining prestigious men as partners.

Of course if you can gave her tingles it won't matter how short you are.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lot of women don't even know how tall 6ft is, anyway, based on my observations. A woman I know who claims to be 5'8" is about two inches shorter than me, and I'm 5'8".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keep in mind they aren't great with spacial awareness, and what might actually be 5 10, in shoes, they'll think is 6 foot.

[–]Toolman890[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Girls are TERRIBLE at measurements. They think 5'9-10 is 6'. Most guys are within acceptable height range.

Same with penis size. They think 5' is 7' lol. They're stupid as fuck.

[–]mstersmith 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Until my mid 20's I didn't realize I hit genetic jack pot. 6'5" is were its at. Being 230 helps a bit. When I was scrawny I was invisible.

[–]verify_account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, it's way harder to "look" big when you're tall. Being skinny makes you just as invisible as being short.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude I'm pushing 6ft and I've been literally told that I'm short. Women can be really entitled, doesn't matter.

[–]GMUwhat1234 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Does race play a deciding factor in SMV in accordance with height as well? I feel like I'm the bottom %80 as a 5'9" Asian male

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People also generally suck at determining height from just pure vision. A guy who's like 5'10" or 5'9" will look six feet tall if there are shorter men around him.

I would say that your height is really only gonna effect your game if the chick is taller than you or you're like 5'5" and below.

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