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Red Pill TheoryWomen Want to be the Chosen Ones (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c

Summary: Men bear the burden of performance … women bear the burden of choice. And we all want what we don’t have.


 

A few months ago, /u/detsnam posted what I thought was one of the most insightful series of comments into the Male Romantic Fantasy. He pointed out that for men, love is an active thing, an act of labor … whereas for women, it is a passive thing. “Falling in love” is something that “just happens”. Men bear the burden of performance.

Thus, for men, the fantasy is to be loved for who he is, not what he does. To quote detsnam:

When he can finally let go of the crank he continually turns day after day in order to earn love and, even if only for a moment, it turns by itself to nourish him in return, that is when he will know he is loved.

In short, men fantasize about finding the opposite of the reality they face. The thing is, women are no different in that regard. Men perform, while women typically sit around and choose. Their only real job is to look attractive so men will come perform for them. So that they can then choose. Women bear the burden of choice.

Thus, for women, the fantasy is to be chosen.

But here’s the catch: you can’t just be chosen by anyone. Choice implies options.


 

A little Field Report for you guys. So recently one of my plates came back … a hot twenty-something Russian girl. Hadn’t seen or talked to her in months. She was “mad at me” last we talked, don’t remember why. Soft next. But out of the blue, she pops up 6 months later … and she’s back in my bed the first night we meet up.

Now here’s the thing: she’s not the first. I’ve been with quite a few women over the last 12 months, but I’ve had 4 girls I considered Main Plates, i.e. slept with them at least 10 times over the course of months. And for all of them, it was the same story, they eventually “wanted more”, which I was unwilling to give. And of those 4, three of them have come back … sometimes months later. 75% batting average (3/4). And the other one? Well she just “broke up” with me a couple weeks ago for the similar reasons. I suspect she might be back too at some point.

Being in my mid-30’s now, I find this all curious. A bunch of twenty-something women fluttering about. If you had told me prior to my Red Pill journey back in my mid-20’s that this was possible, I would have told you that you were crazy. Yet the more aloof, the more non-committal, I am, the higher my perceived value. The more willing I am to walk away, the more they follow.

Because a man who is willing to walk away is a man that, by definition, has options.


 

All women want to be chosen. We sometimes conflate that with “being alpha”, but that is only part of the story. They want to be chosen by the alpha. Why?

Because someone who is above you by definition chooses you. The reverse cannot be true.

But in the same vein, any man with options is one who chooses. A man who is willing to walk away is one who chooses. A man who has clear boundaries and doesn’t put up with shit is one who chooses. A man who is willing to say anything to a woman regardless whether she stays or goes is one who chooses. A man who is aware that all things are a power struggle, is one who chooses. A man with a mission, is one who chooses. A man who is in control, is one who chooses. A man who is powerful, both mentally and physically, is one who chooses.

Women want to be chosen.

Frame is a reflection of your ability to choose, your number of options. One who is cornered has no frame. It is why TRP suggests assuming formlessness … a man who is everything, but no thing, is one with unlimited possibilities.

Ironically, Feminism has spent the last half-century trying to convince women that they don’t want to be chosen (“you go girl”), and trying to convince men that they shouldn’t have a choice


[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 102 points103 points  (21 children)

Excellent article!

All women want to be chosen. We sometimes conflate that with “being alpha”, but that is only part of the story. They want to be chosen by the alpha. Why?

My cynical self suggests this is because many women don't want the burden of thinking for themselves.

[–]TomFoo 87 points88 points  (12 children)

If women had to think for themselves, then they would have to be responsible for what they think. What a concept.

[–]FiveLions 25 points26 points  (0 children)

You hit the nail on the head...They don't want responsibility..It's what we call the "hamster" right? That's why if she cheats, it's Chad's fault...Or your fault

[–]Il128 55 points55 points [recovered]

I can't tell you how many women I've seen change their preferences for things based on the man they are with. From favorite beer, to smoking, to sleeping with a fan or not, to sex positions and acts...

They have no opinions or thoughts of their own.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (3 children)

They are formless, they adapt to the situation they are in. They start to pick up your habits and hobbies and try to emulate you. Thats why because so many of them list their hobbies as netflix and having fun, because they have no one to lead them.

Females going through school to be a teacher are the worst, because they have no ambitions in life. School is the only thing they know.

To reference Rollo's war brides, they are this way because of survival. Another tribe raids you village, kills all men and keep all the women. They don't say fuck this, get up and leave. They stay and say fuck it, you my daddy now, aka Stockholm syndrome.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 10 points11 points  (2 children)

On point-- women do not have physical strength so any modicum of power they have comes from manipulation via conformation when they're backed into a corner.

[–]RetiredTimeHo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Women are like Chihuahuas. They're a small creature that responds to challenges by freaking out and barking loudly but can't actually defend itself from anything. If a Chihuahua is leading your pack, your pack is fucked.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The chihuahua only does this when it has the assurance that a Husky or Shepard behind it will come to its defense if things go wrong, otherwise the chihuahua stays quiet.

[–]TomFoo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Adds meaning to the RP phrase "You are the prize." You as a man give direction, clarity, simplicity and foundation to a woman. In an ideal world. Or in the short run.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My main plate's previous LTR was with a dude with a sleeve tattoo. She was actually considering getting one too. After sleeping with me for a few months, she actually said how stupid she was for thinking about it. ( I believe tattoo's should mean something to the owner, and that they do limit your professional opportunities. I have one, but it's not visible when wearing street clothes.)

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (1 child)

All of them do that shit with me, so I play with them about it. Oh you like cars like I do? Really? Let's see about that. Only one seems to have an interest in this I do, but I'm still dubious.

[–]siriusisness 6 points7 points  (0 children)

your cynical self is a smart fucker

[–]Canadaismyhat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My cynical self suggests this is because many women don't want the burden of thinking for themselves.

That doesn't have to be a cynical/negative thing. "Not thinking for themselves" in this case = being guided by emotion; and emotion is a beautiful catastrophe that makes up half the reason life is worth living.

It's the difference between viewing mortality as a negative vs embracing it and loving the limited amount of life we have.

[–]fatalbinoninja 1 point2 points  (3 children)

My cynical self suggests this is because many women don't want the burden of thinking for themselves

You're giving them too much credit. A lot of times they don't want to be burdened with expectations. Thinking creates action. Action calls for results. Results can be measured.

All of that is anathema to ones emotions because they most likely lead to bad feelz. The good feelings of success come only after struggle, hard work and self-improvement. So obviously you see this more often in women but also in weak girly-men who never try to improve themselves.

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[–]2Overkillengine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Wrong question. What is scorned is women trying to gain the benefits of both independence and dependence while also attempting to offload the drawbacks onto men. And also socially assassinating men that recognize and question the attempt.

[–]fatalbinoninja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is dependency desirable or undesirable?

For the most part it is not about independence or dependency though both can be a problem depending on the situation. The primary issue is in responsibility and the benefit/rewards that come from it.

There are plenty of independent, don't need no man types out there that are utterly lacking in responsibility for themselves. Sure they have a degree with a good job but are entitled and bossy cunts. Then they get royally pissed when no good man wants anything to do with them and of course it's not their fault for being said cunts.

Then you have the dependent types who float along from looks or feigned helplessness in order to get as much as they can from the orbiters. They are just as bad because they take no action to secure their happiness beyond using whoever they can. Once the free goodies start drying up then they are in just as much trouble as the independent woman. And of course it's still the guys fault for not providing her with what she needs.

But from this discussion being maleable/dependent is also negative?

Overall though there is no problem with being malleable. Think of the situation like it's basic training. You want someone who is malleable because by holding them to your standards and pushing them hard, they then become badass soldiers or in our case, great partners.

One of the key parts of all this is that the women have to be responsible and meet the expectations we set for them. If they don't then they get nexted. A lot of women these days absolutely refuse to have any expectations placed on them for anything. Just try to enforce some on them and just watch their hamster go to lightspeed.

[–]Rob_Dead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would counter this argument with the idea that a woman wants to think they have made the right choice.

Look at all the "Bridgette Jones" type scenarios out there. Women are always looking around for their best deal, if they actually think they've made a killer choice then they can relax and smugly sit atop their social pyramid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a question for you guys, lets say i've a gf now, how i make her always feel i have many choices but i choose her everytime so she will always has that feeling this thread is about? give me some examples please. thanks very much

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 88 points89 points  (29 children)

To expand on this, the fantasy for a man is to be loved everyday for who he is, and not what he does. The fantasy is that even if he gets fat, homeless, and lazy, his woman will want to suck his cock because she sees inside of him.

Similarly, women want to be chosen every day. Which means they actually fantasize about a man who get hit on by many girls during the day, possibly even an unfaithful one, but who comes back home to them every night.

As my SMV has risen, I've experienced more and more girls who express that to me in almost direct terms. They say: "you know you can cheat on me, just be discreet". A friend of mine even had his girlfriend tell him that he could bang whomever he wanted and even bring some pussy back home for threesome, as long as he would always come back to her.

Because, in the end, this means that the man's SMV is way higher that the woman's SMV. Which is the woman's main imperative.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (1 child)

The fantasy is that even if he gets fat, homeless, and lazy, his woman will want to suck his cock because she sees inside of him.

You don't give the male psychology enough credit.

A man wants to believe his woman will remember all he has done for her and be loved in equal regard. A man wants to believe he can work and toil, adding "love" to his bank account, from which he can purchase blow jobs, emotional support, nagging immunity, etc with those hard-earned credits.

A man accepts that if his bank account is empty, he can no longer pay for the things he wants from his woman.

But women aren't like that.

They are all like Drew Barrymore in 50 First Dates. She forgets your accomplishments every day. In fact, your great deeds never enter her mind to be remembered.

She only knows what she feels now. Everything else is meaningless.

It's kinda poetic when you think about it after overcoming your anger phase. If you want relationships where you can actually earn respect and loyalty, turn to male friendships.

If you want to truly live in the present moment and fight for every inch, go forth and seek love.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's more like it actually, you nailed it. And the '50 First Dates'' works perfectly.. "what have you done for me lately?

[–]blacwidonsfw 52 points53 points  (22 children)

That's a double edged sword. She is not only giving you permission but herself as well.

[–]Il128 32 points32 points [recovered]

Very true. When a woman says shit like that, just ask her if she'd like to bring a man home for a three some. She'll give you a resounding, yes!

When she puts you in this "free" state just realize you're probably eating another guys spunk every time you go down on her.

[–]jimmyharbrah 24 points25 points  (6 children)

There's a reason that traditions like marriage--which was built by men (who were in the ruling class)--made monogamy vital. They knew the force behind the female biological imperative.

[–]bluedrygrass -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Marriage has never been made by men for men. Monogamy is positive for women.

[–]jimmyharbrah 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I read a book recently, by a biologist--and I'll look for the cite--that suggested otherwise. The reason being that if humans don't divvy up one man to one woman, who gets left out? The lesser males.

The high value males are left with many, many mates, while the beta males are left in the cold. It makes sense. Men (probably lesser men, together) invented monogamy to ensure that everyone gets laid.

[–]Tman5691 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Men who didn't get laid ended up dissatisfied, dissatisfied men in a group, at least back then, was dangerous. Leads to rebellions and coups, etc.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

yeah and look at what's happening in china, with their skewed distirbution. Mental illness has literally skyrocketed and a lot of experts say sexual frustration is a huge factor. Most men cannot function normally without a woman and that's just a biological fact. Men that are single into their later years have a much higher rate of mortality

[–]EmpReb 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Japan is in a simlar crisis though I think given them they will just make Female sex bots give their trends..... is this good or bad for humanity I am still not sure.

[–]ambrazura 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most men cannot function normally without a woman

They can.

Men that are single into their later years have a much higher rate of mortality

Those who usually married early. In their 40-s they do not care about their health. Overweight(in all countries), do not run.

One of the problems of many old men is that they stop creating social constructs among them. I mean companies, social movements.

[–]TomFoo 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Double edged swords only exist in reality, the men's world. In fantasy-hypergamy-land women don't cheat, they just fall on dicks by accident.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or "it just happened," because the laws of physics made Chad's dick pull on her body like a magnet as it penetrated through her layers of clothing into her gash

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 10 points11 points  (10 children)

Actually in my friend's case she swore she wasn't interested. She just gets off on the fact that her man is a powerful one who can get any girl. They went to a swinger's resort and she was only allowed to lesbo stuff while he fucked girls in front of her.

Lessons learned: have a high SMV

[–]DirtyTamponGobbler 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Agreed, I understand the "giving herself permission" thing but I thought most women can be wholly satisfied by one man, if he is good enough

[–]InMooseWeTrust 3 points4 points  (4 children)

No they can't. The polyamorous community has women more active than men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Curious here, do you have a citation?

[–]InMooseWeTrust 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Personal observation from Social networking sites online. I'm in several Facebook group also

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. Something I'll have to google someday.

[–]Philosophicaltree 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The caveat is "if he is good enough." Most of the women in that community are not very attracted to their SO.

[–]blacwidonsfw 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I doubt it, but obviously can't know for sure. Usually these types of arrangements, when sincere are more don't ask don't tell. A girl can not give up the emotional leverage by explicitly telling her man to cheat. It's usually unspoken where a man will do what he wants and the woman will pretend that nothing is happening even though she knows...as long as she isn't publicly embarrassed.

An example of this is like In the sopranos. Tony is free to bang girls but the one time he fucks up and his wife gets exposed to the side chick, she blows up.

If your friends girl truly just said you can bang girls and I won't bang any guys and it is all good, then I seriously question her sense of self respect, which is pretty unsexy in my opinion.

Probably too much nuances in this comment but this is how I think the dynamics truly play out.

[–]JihadDerp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had an ex who said verbatim, "I don't care if you cheat on me, just don't let me know about it."

[–]maxofreddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I need your friends #, sounds like a good mentor ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a question for you guys, lets say i've a gf now, how i make her always feel i have many choices but i choose her everytime so she will always has that feeling this thread is about? give me some examples please. thanks very much

[–]Canadaismyhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is the primary motivation 99.9% of the time. Really pathetic for someone to be so stupid to think "I'm so valuable she gave me the green light to cheat!"

Like, bro, your value is so low she doesn't care if you're banging her or someone else.

[–]WhyIsYosarionNaked 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The notion of being loved for "who you are" rather than "what you do" is absurd, they're the same fucking thing. As Aristotle said, "We are what we repeatedly do."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

a question for you guys, lets say i've a gf now, how i make her always feel i have many choices but i choose her everytime so she will always has that feeling this thread is about? give me some examples please. thanks very much

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 1 point2 points  (1 child)

First and foremost: Be good looking, or at least a few points higher in SMV than her. It doesn't matter if she's gorgeous, you need to have more social skills/better body/more success.

Second: display that awesomeness so that it is clear that you know your value, and that other people (especially girls) aknowledge it. Play with it. Do little power plays with people ("Hey cindy could you do this for me?" when Cindy doesn't get anything in return).

Third Push/pull with your girlfriend, never in a menacing way. The frame is that you have plenty of options but she's cool enough for you to choose her repeatedly. Best is if your cell phone is constantly ringing with messages and invitations and you have to cancel some of them in front of your gf.

Obviously the best is to genuinely be awesome and have options. If you're not at that level yet, then keep on lifting, innocently flirt with some girls in front of her, be nice and charming to everyone, ignore her sometimes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thanks a lot buddy really gave that extra clear to my head ;]

[–]NeoreactionSafe 47 points48 points  (7 children)

 

"Men desire Freedom, Women desire Access"

 

A man desires to not be dependent on anyone because through this boundry he discovers his Freedom... he "goes his own way".

The woman desires Access to resources.

If the man is seen as a valuable prize to own she will attempt to gain Access to that man and his resources.

But the man must be cautious.

If a man choses a women but actually gives her everything she loses respect for him entirely.

So the task of masculinity is to forever remain Free, but to grant limited Access to a woman.

 

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

This world is split into two groups: Penises and Pussies. Penises want to run free, pussies want to land the penis.

  • Johnny Drama, Entourage

[–]NumbersPrime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"the world is run by bats and balls." Leon, Curb your Enthusiasm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvA0cmzg4Fs

gloves do not catch gloves

[–]redrummilf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you nailed. The freedom to do what you want to do, when you want to do it can't be understated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

a question for you guys, lets say i've a gf now, how i make her always feel i have many choices but i choose her everytime so she will always has that feeling this thread is about? give me some examples please. thanks very much

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i choose her everytime

The essential question is whether you chose her as an act of internal Freedom and if you retain that Freedom when knowing her. Freedom is Frame, it's ego boundry, it's MGTOW, and it's your objective reality outside of the herd.

Women only know the herd mind.

Then within the herd women desire Access to the most and best resources.

So as long as you maintain your Freedom (which by definition means her Access has restrictions) then things are in balance.

Yin and Yang.

Access (Feminine) vs Freedom (Masculine).

The two opposing polarities must be in balance.

 

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks a lot buddy really gave that extra clear to my head ;]

[–]Il128 33 points33 points [recovered]

Two really important things to remember.

1 Women want what they can't have.

2 women have low self esteem.

When you commit to a woman you have to be very careful. She thinks she's unworthy of commitment and if you do commit you lose frame and lose status with her. Basically if you'll have her you must not be good enough for her and she will almost immediately look for someone better.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (7 children)

"I don't care to belong to any club that would have me as a member."

-Groucho Marx? Or women everywhere?

[–]Il128 10 points10 points [recovered]

Women everywhere. Note the woman currently running for president has an alpha male for a husband. He's been Red Pilling her for decades.

Do you really want an AWALT running this country?

Once elected she will despise the people who voted for her. Count on it.

[–]TheRedStoic 11 points12 points  (2 children)

This is one of my issues with female leaders.

Immediately upon adoption of the position, anyone lower is nothing any longer. The battle is won, the power given, it's not worth the time anymore. she has achieved commitment

She needs to get back out there and find something else above her to hunt. Why? Because this can't be the best I can get, they already gave me the commitment

Doesn't make for a good leader, but it does make for an excellent PR director.

[–]slay_it_forward -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Is this why Merkel is letting in millions of dusky darkies from the Middle East?

[–]TheRedStoic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe. I couldn't claim to know. I'm not in her mind, nor would I every see a tradeoff worth being in her mind, nor would I presume to know her motives (as an individual case)

My comment was exclusive to generalities, I don't deal in outliers, they're statistically unimportant.

really though yes, I think it is!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Count Cunt on it.

FTFY

And agreed with what you were saying.

[–]Jigsus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hillary is a well known lesbian. Bill is a beard.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

/u/detsnam's comments are an absolute masterclass in "Diguising TRP Truths in Blue Pill Language."

[–]_red_carpet 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Thank you for posting this. I agree it's the ultimate fantasy for a woman to be chosen above all- to be queen of the harem. It's just that women, as they have varying threshholds for dread, will have varying threshholds for what they need to feel chosen. Some might simply want you to come home to them every night. Another may flip out if you even text with any other girls, because if you have her number, you should choose her to text with first.

If women were privy to red pill knowledge or how men want to be loved, the solution is so simple- just love men unconditionally- though I realize that this is not easy (even though it is simple). There are no threshholds or varying degrees of accepting their man- they either do or they don't.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Even if they understood RP, They cannot love a man unconditionally.

[–]_red_carpet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know, sadly I know.

I'd also argue though that a man cannot truly make a woman the "chosen one" she wants to be because a man will "choose" other things- whether its himself, other women, or other activities

[–]JihadDerp 25 points26 points  (11 children)

All this love me "for who I am" versus "for what I do" is bullshit. You are what you do. Your actions define you. Not your words. Not your thoughts. Your actions. If you sit around and play video games all day, drink, and watch porn, that is who you are. Nice guy? Nobody gives a fuck. You are a loser who does nothing. You are nothing. If you're a doctor who sacrificed years and energy to help people and save lives, that is who you are. Asshole? Nobody gives a fuck. You are a hard-working useful man who does something good. You are a good man.

Let's get rid of the concept that there's a difference between "who you are" and "what you do." You are what you do. Your actions define you.

[–]rios_salvi 9 points10 points  (2 children)

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."

[–]JimmayDoad 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Getting that framed for my gym.

[–]charlesbukowksi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was Aristotle in the Nichomachean Ethics which he wrote for his son.

[–]Red_Pill_Raskol 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Men do have a deep desire to be loved for who they are and not what they do. But is it a healthy desire? NO. It comes from deep within the male hamster. Let that sink in. Once you know female nature, you realize just how irrational such a desire is. Don't think for a minute that the male hamster doesn't exist.

[–]JihadDerp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm saying there is no difference between who you are and what you do. Your actions define who you are.

[–]DodgedAFew 2 points3 points  (5 children)

If you're a doctor who sacrificed years and energy to help people and save lives, that is who you are.

If this really mattered in SMV there wouldn't be a need for game.

[–]JihadDerp 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You're saying being a doctor doesn't help your smv?

[–]bobbyfitness22 1 point2 points  (3 children)

He's saying that everything isn't merit based.

Imagine two guys, twins. They both go travel the world and do fun cool things. One twin posts to instagram and the other doesn't.

They come home and they talk to girls. One of them shows the girl his instagram with all of the cool travel pictures. The other one doesn't and just stays more in the moment.

They both have the merit of being world travellers. It is a part of who they are, always.

But the girl who sees the travel photos is more impressed with that particular twin even though an identical person is standing before her.

The twin without the photos would like women he talks to to not require a life resume to establish himself. He wants to be just as adored as his twin because he has done the same things.

Who you are and how women see you can be very different things.

[–]JihadDerp -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Well Jesus titty fucking Christ, if you want women to read your mind and automatically know your life's story without a conversation or evidence, then good fucking luck. Pictures serve a purpose. A resume serves a purpose. Conversation serves a purpose.

"Who you are" isn't some deep dark secret. If you travel the world, become a doctor, climb a mountain, and tell no one, then it's your own fault you didn't get laid. You people are ridiculous.

[–]TRP_DarkTriad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you travel the world, become a doctor, climb a mountain, and tell no one, then it's your own fault you didn't get laid. You people are ridiculous.

JihadDerp isn't telling us to become narcissistic fucks posting pics on Insta. It's just an example. You will have greater advantage as a mystery man - who knows how to climb a mountain, how to repair a car or how to run for the President. Reveal it not all at once as power is the basis of a relationship. The motto of TRP is to hold the frame, better yourself i.e increase your SMV and make pussies drip.

[–]bobbyfitness22 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

... hmm there's really no way to respond to your points without getting into an internet argument and validating myself to you... both of which I don't like doing in a given day.

c ya

[–]teeelo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I come to this subreddit sometimes when I am feeling down. The reason usually involves something to do with women (or lack thereof)

I've found it often gives me a pep talk that I need to hear. Even though it's not directed at me, it sure feels like it somehow. I wouldn't get to hear these things anywhere else.

Reading posts like this doesn't exactly lift my spirits as much as it inspires and reinvigorates it.

[–]clonegreen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Noticed this when I went out recently.

The girl I invested the most time in wound up not calling me. Though her friend literally fed me and cuddled me.

[–]RadixUM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is 100% true. I have two sisters and my whole life I would go to them for advice with girls and women. They would say let her know you really like her, do something spontaneous and original.

After several times of this not working, I realize don't go to women on advice about women.

But it's 100% true, women want to be the chosen ones. My sister would tell me things like buy her flowers or make her dinner. Bad illy acting like I chose the women, because my sisters all think about that one guy they really like and what they wish he would do. But for my situation, where I was just the current guy and one of many, girls already knew I liked them and therefore that hamster wasn't spinning and the gift didn't work.

[–]OilyB 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Brilliant, insightful post. I just love these mythical analyses of the unseen powers behind masculinity vs femininity. Have you read "Iron John" by Robert Bly? Thanks OP

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not, I'll have to check it out.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And for all of them, it was the same story, they eventually “wanted more”, which I was unwilling to give

I don't doubt your experience, but based on what I've seen in my own life this narrative we tell about women is far too rosy. I have mostly been with women who fuck me for 6 months and then fade away because they want to ride the carousel with another alpha. Not a word about romance spoken.

As far as I can tell women don't give a fuck about commitment. Maybe they used to, but those societal strictures are rapidly eroding.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perhaps I have gotten better at filtering those women out, and they never become my main plates, just ONS or short term flings. I don't know.

I do know that, either way, it doesn't affect me. Outcome independence. There will always be another one ...

[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women don't want commitment, they want investment. And only really when the epiphany phase kicks in.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Being in my mid-30’s now, I find this all curious. A bunch of twenty-something women fluttering about. If you had told me prior to my Red Pill journey back in my mid-20’s that this was possible, I would have told you that you were crazy. Yet the more aloof, the more non-committal, I am, the higher my perceived value. The more willing I am to walk away, the more they follow.

so what you are saying is, it gets better. I'm sitting here at 26 thinking i've wasted my 20's

[–]chocobaby 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lol, oh yes it does, and no you haven't. If you keep learning and improving, you will be banging hotties until you are 60. Trust me, I know.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

sweet thanks man, I guess it's just going to take me " longer to learn"

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[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm all about self-sabotage ATM... though you make a good point i need to be more posative

[–]jason1009 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a college hoodie. It's over 14 years old. It's faded, beat up, super comfy. I've had girls over the years want to "borrow" it..... Meaning they probably want to keep it permanently as some sort of trophy. As I've gotten older, the hoodie chasers have gotten more and more desperate. I realized AWALT the last conversation I had with a woman wanting the hoodie.....I told her flat out other girls wanted it also. She said "yeah......but I'm special." She never got the hoodie. She had to take it off when I was ready to leave her place.....Just like every other girl that's been in the hoodie.

[–]LoveYourSelfish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The boss picks who gets the promotion, the Norway shindig with that glorious uplift. Is he a dick? Does he have a receding hair line? Is he beta behind the ears?

Doesn't matter, he gets to choose, so you best not fuck with your boss.

[–]SubliminalPepper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awesome, awesome post man. You hit the nail right on the head.

[–]westsan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should understand that feminism is a construct. It was fabricated to implement governments wishes upon the people.

[–]TimeNdevotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent, brilliant stuff !!!!!!

[–]FrameWalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A man who is in control, is one who chooses

Control over themselves

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I wrote about this 8 year ago. Damn time flies! Anyway...

http://funandsocial.blogspot.com/2008/07/prince-charming-theory.html

When a high value male with lots of choice regarding sexual/relationship partners chooses a particular woman then she is perceived as the female with the most value of any of those he could choose from. This makes a woman feel special and has the benefit of making her value, cherish, and respect the relationship so much more than if she merely chose the man. This is intrinsically different from the traditional paradigm of women choosing men and is why women will often chase a man, or otherwise tolerate abuse or otherwise bad treatment, by men that seem disinterested or that have 3 other women on speed dial.

Women absolutely want to feel special and this is why having abundance and a full bullpen of women (preselection) is so god damn important. When you have the pick of the litter, YOU being the one to chose them means they have beat all the other women they were in competition with. It means they're the winner. This is a huge validation/ego boost. This is why women would rather share an alpha than have a beta all to themselves. The have to tolerate that other woman because she's still being chosen above all the others aside form those she has to share you with. It's a bit counter-intuitive, but it is what it is.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good read. It's interesting when you've been around the manosphere a while to look back and see things you've written in the past. Of course, I still learn things here and there, or see old things from a new angle ... my perspective gets more fine tuned.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. It's comical reading some of the old stuff I wrote as I progressed. It's both a walk down memory lane, but also cringe inducing at times when I see something I wrote that was just plain wrong, or the idea hadn't fully matured.

[–]TRP_DarkTriad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why women would rather share an alpha than have a beta all to themselves. The have to tolerate that other woman because she's still being chosen above all the others aside form those she has to share you with.

Very true bro. Now I realize why Kings fucked the most number of pussies and why the Romans had several women to cater their needs. It was and it will always be the SMV and alphaness of the man.

[–]TomFoo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If OP wrote a line about deadlifts, this post would cover everything that is RP.

[–]apachemd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

haha right on! fukin deadlifts!

[–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women Want to be the Chosen Ones

Yes, exactly. They want it easy and want others to do things (work) for them. They want to be catered to and if people do, they think they deserve it. This is the worst kind of human being.

[–]Dio_Brando_Joestar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Op, how do you meet these women? I can't even get one plate.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say it's about a 50/50 split from approaching in real life and using things like Tinder. Helps that I live in a big city.

Just takes practice. And remember: it's a numbers game. No matter what you do (unless you're Brad Pitt), most women are not gonna be receptive to you. But some will.

[–]westsan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is very astute, however there is something wrong with my application of it.

I am in a zone where I am more/less a very desirable foreigner. I am usually the best body and not too bad looking w/in the tight circle/club scene I participate in. (JFYI- Salsa; and one of the better dancers)

I emphasize my options and often walk away, but not withstanding the women all seem to want to know about me, but rarely want to want to give it up. I cannot really figure it out.

So something about a guy emphasizing his options outside of/before a physical relationship doesn't really work.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's all about subtlety. If you've got the physical attractiveness/SMV part down, then you just need to work on your game a little bit. Actually /u/Thotwrecker just made a good post about this.

[–]wetpaperbagframerisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep . That's why the man asks the woman to marry him. He's the one doing the asking. She is doing the accepting (or not) to be HIS wife.