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Summary: AskWomen confirms redpill. Alphas make women horny, betas turn them off. It's as simple as that.

AskWomen had a thread today titled "What's one thing you judge men for that you don't like to admit?" I like to present examples from that subreddit a lot because hearing it from the women themselves is further confirmation that our theory is universal and not just circlejerking like our enemies try to pretend we are.

I judge men who require a higher level of criteria from the women they date than they themselves demonstrate. Physical, financial, social. Yeah, maybe if you're 38, broke, balding, out of shape, take the bus, seem to own only 3 shirts, etc., then yeah, you're not going to appeal to some 27 year old gal who makes it to the gym 4x a week and spends hours on her appearance while having a job that makes as much or more as you do.

^ On its face, the above statement sounds reasonable, right? But dig in a little more and you'll see some clear hypergamy in action. Notice how she lumps in "balding" with all the other gross things, as if it's something to be morally repulsed by. This is because women don't differentiate between an intrinsic animalistic attraction and a behavioral/moral attraction. It's all the same. It's why they feel churning of loathing in their stomachs when they see a short guy, even if he's done nothing wrong. Or in this case, a bald guy.

And "takes the bus". Apparently using public transportation is beneath this princess. Women immediately discount any guy who appears to be one of the rabble; they want the winners, the high achievers, the ones who don't mix with the proletariat. If a guy introduced her to his Lamborghini, her panties would be down in an instant.

This is a tough one to describe, but there is a thing that some men do that is like they... say things they think women want to hear? It's like fedora-tipping IRL or something. They'll claim that they're a feminist/ have sisters so know women/ are sensitive/ are courteous... or things that they, well, think the woman they're talking to wants to hear.

^ I can describe that for you, honey. It's called being a supplicating beta male. And yes, betas are incredibly unattractive. Women don't want to be listened to or empathized with or any of that bullshit, they want a confident muscular leader who will give them orders.

When men insist on hovering around the girl they like, licking the floor she steps on, even after she has repeatedly turned them down.

As in: "maybe if I stick around and show her I can be the perfect gentleman and do whatever she asks, be it running errands for her or carrying her bags for her or lifting her up so she doesn't have to climb up those pesky stairs, and treating her like both a child who needs protection and a princess who needs her knight, she'll finally respect me and realize I'm actually her soulmate and we'll be happy forever!"

One: that'll never work. Two: GODDAMMIT GUYS HAVE A LITTLE SELF-RESPECT FOR CHRISSAKES

^ More beta male hate. I gotta say, kudos to her for at least admitting the truth instead of pretending she actually likes that stuff.

Height.

It really isn't a judgement as much as it is a reaction. I don't know why, but when I see a tall guy, like over 6'3, my vagina automatically flexes and gets wet. I'm not even exaggerating.

That isn't to say I have something against shorter guys. I've seen lots of hot short guys who I would date in a minute, but I've never had that sort of automatic reaction just by seeing them on the street.

^ And here's the main course of our hypergamy feast. Nothing, nothing turns a woman on like traits that are reminiscent of a man's animal power and ability to physically overpower others. Height is a quick genetic indicator of this (even that's not true logically and exceptions exist, it still is a quick evolutionary "field test" used by women to judge whether the guy is genetically fit). Sorry, but this is the brutal TRP truth. Height automatically gives you points on the SMV scale because of evolution and natural selection. If you're a short guy who wants to get laid, you have to make up for your deficit with other impressive qualities - like muscle mass.

TL;DR: AskWomen admits the core of TRP truth, which is that women get wet for animalistic alpha traits while being completely turned off by betas. If you don't believe TRP theory from the men here, maybe you'll believe it from the mouths of the target women themselves.


[–]abdada 291 points292 points  (69 children)

The height thing is true. One of my regular spotters at the gym is a ripped 6'4" dude. He literally wears an actual fedora and he does tip it when women pass.

He still gets tons of unrequested numbers (a few times we've lunched together and waitresses will jot their #s on the bill and hand it to him).

And he's a total foot licker with his girlfriend, but the height wins for initial IOIs.

[–]TRParents 108 points109 points  (39 children)

Total foot licker

Going to use this

[–]TheStumblingWolf 27 points28 points  (33 children)

I really like how there are terms in every day language for all these things RP describes. In my country we have two regarding slippers:

1) Being under the slipper (I take it that it implies the wife hits the husband with it to impose her will - like being whipped update: more likely it means he permanently resides under her slipper).

2) A slipper hero - same meaning.

[–]WhySoRuff 25 points26 points  (26 children)

What country you from?

In eastern European culture we call that "living under your woman's skirt."

[–]TheStumblingWolf 12 points13 points  (12 children)

I'm from Denmark. Hah thanks. These expressions give me great pictures in my head. If I was a better graphics artist I'd illustrate them.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

We have literally the same expression in Germany.

Pantoffelheld

Pantoffel = indoor house shoe, held=hero.

I think it means to be underfoot or something like that...

[–]TheStumblingWolf 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Danish and German share many similarities I think. Then again, Danish shares similarities with pretty much any country within 2000km of Denmark.

I think your explanation makes more sense. It must be the ultimate embarrassment to be located under a wife's shoe - especially when you consider it's probably an old expression from back when men were much more RP.

[–]whatyearisthisagain 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dane here as well, looked up tøffel to see it's origin, and actually it comes from the German pantoffel.

ORIGIN: from middelnedertysk tuffel, shortening of middelnedertysk pantuffel from middelalderlatin pantofla

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's actually a lot of that going on between germanic languages, unsurprisingly. I'm learning German, and a friend is (re-)learning Norwegian.

Sometimes I just need to give him the German word for something to help him remember the Norwegian word for it, even if they don't share the same root in English. However, even with English, you of course notice a lot of similarities.

I guess it is even more pronounced with German and Danish, considering Denmark borders Germany.

[–]ckp2906 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A fellow dane! You're the first i've spotted here. Hope there will be more.. Denmark need TRP.

[–]WhySoRuff 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I think you'd make a lot of money if you did, can you imagine the controversy surrounding a misogynistic artist?

Edit: sorry I somehow deleted this comment from above.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Maybe, if done with humor, you're right. It seems the world doesn't like the truth unless it's wrapped in a joke... and then it's forgotten 5 min. later.

Too bad misogynistic is exactly the word that would be used. I don't view myself as such. To me it's like in an RPG. Men and women have the same amount of stats but the points are distributed differently. Men are good at some things, women are good at others. Somehow equality has become "everybody has to be good at the same thing, even if they're not" instead of everyone having equal opportunity to do something except if they suck they shouldn't get ahead of others because of their gender - male or female.

Not sure if that opinion is against the mainstream here on RP but that's the one I have none the less.

[–]WhySoRuff 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Maybe, if done with humor, you're right. It seems the world doesn't like the truth unless it's wrapped in a joke... and then it's forgotten 5 min. later.

The beauty of art is that it's all about perspective, the artist needn't define his own art.

Being under the slipper

The bloopers will say "aww he is making sure that his princesses slipper is in perfect order, like she deserves"

Red pillers will say "that guys sex life has been flattened to nothingness with the slipper he paid for, that poor bastard"

Haha everybody wins.

[–]KorianHUN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hungary is even more brutal: we just literally call them "slipper" simply as that.
I recently noticed that due to cultural and languahe difference trp is not widely known but its core beloefs are. Once a guy told me how he got together with someone and it was like reading a trp post.

[–]TNNRR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you haven't, you should check out Bill Burr. He's a pretty RP comedian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hitc8haEu_g

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[–]TheStumblingWolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe, if done with humor, you're right. It seems the world doesn't like the truth unless it's wrapped in a joke... and then it's forgotten 5 min. later.

[–]bokehnikon 4 points5 points  (3 children)

In American English, we say "pussy whupped." "Hen pecked" is an oldie but a goodie.

[–]TerryYockey 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The Vietnamese equivalent is "chet vi lon", literally "die for pussy".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really like "mangina". Its relatively new (10ish years?) but its so dead on.

[–]1RXRob 3 points4 points  (2 children)

In Britain it's "under the thumb" and we sign it by pressing our thumbs into our foreheads

[–]8n0n 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In Britain it's "under the thumb"

Still used in Australia also; though I like to bend my thumb like I'm operating a remote control to pantomime that expression to the condemned.

[–]IMissMamasBorsch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And a little bit further to the East we say "under the heel". "Living under the skirt" has a slightly different meaning though - it's usually applied to men who are over influenced by their mothers.

[–]masnera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

same here in the Philippines....were we call them "under de saya" means man under her womans skirt...and men who put their wife inpedestal call them in "komander" means commander . lol ...their wife is their commander...how about that.

[–]mitzibishi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

UK is under the thumb. She has her thumb on top of his head creating a bald patch where it rests.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the west indies they say "boer'ed" Boo Ahd

Also a BB/beta provider male is a "boop"

[–]triavatar 7 points8 points  (1 child)

That is so interesting, here in Egypt we have a few ways of referring to someone who is whipped by his girlfriend/wife:

1) Meshabsheb (Mu-shab-sheb) Comes from shebsheb (slipper) literally translates to "Slippered man". Same meaning as the first one.

2) Daldool (Dal-dool) Comes from daldel (let hang). Translates roughly to "Weakly hanging man". You can imagine what this actually means.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thats gotta be extra insulting because in the Arab world shoes, especially their soles, are bad juju.

[–]barrettcuda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In Finland here, we have pretty similar sayings to those, here you can be: A) under the boot - which means the same as your slipper saying B) (someone can be a) mitten - which basically means they're a pushover

Apparently slipper hero is a thing too, but it means a person usually a guy whose only claim top toughness is little things like chasing spiders out of the house

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We call those men папучари(papuchari for those of u who can't read cyrillic) in Macedonia

a папуча is a slipper(usually worn by women) so it implies those men are under their womens slippers

[–]ocsdoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buzzfeed is so going to copy this list and make a slideshow.

[–]brasileiro555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brazil: escravoceta

pussy: buceta

slave: escravo

slave of pussy: escravo-ceta

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In my language we have a commonly used mockery: sole(foot) licker

[–]emanking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does that guy look like he just escaped prison? Dude works at Foot Licker.

[–]Baronello 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Russia we say podkabluchnik. Pod = under, kabluk = heel, nik = er. Means that a man under womans heel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Australia the term "cuntstruck" has recently entered the vernacular.

[–]JackNicholson2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my country we usually call somebody who is whipped a "rug" .

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[–]LuvBeer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

short/pudgy guy doing anything=loser creepy hahah manlet napoleon complex weirdo

Tall/ripped guy doing anything=unconventional original bla bla

[–]Danzo3366 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stallone was a short guy as well.

[–]TheRedStoic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A harsh truth and one that must be accepted to play the game. Know your value.

From my personal experience, I'm 5'11, no complaints, not a benefit either. However there is a much sharper cutoff between getting noticed and not, dependent entirely on presentation. Days where I'm dressed to impress, feeling good, I get a blatant offer or two, maybe 3 a day. (this is outright number offers and logistics initiated by the woman, not iois).

Days where I'm not, it's nothing, maybe 1 if I have some serious social proof nearby.

Most of my male friends are 6'1 or more, doesn't matter how they're feeling or dressed, they're contact will always be dependably initiated by a woman if they go out that day. Maybe once, maybe more.

To be fair the entire sample is skewed, biased to hell, we're all red in my group, and we're raised that way.

Just, don't get butthurt people, you can't win a game if you refuse to acknowledge that a rook is innately more desirable than a pawn. Learn to use the pawn.

[–]thewrightstuff88 26 points27 points  (1 child)

It's a shame when a man has true power and fails to understand what he can do with it and use it

[–]DavidEdwardsUK 27 points28 points  (0 children)

As another man competing, I love it.

[–]DoctorBlaine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can confirm this. Just two nights ago we had a shitload of college girls at the bar I work at, and a coworker of mine (he's roughly 6'2") had been given a receipt that said "I bet you're hung :)" along with a phone number.

[–]username5150 4 points5 points  (3 children)

My buddy is 6'7 and not ripped, just an avarage body for his height. Now he is very out going and a mellow person, yet he has told me how he has hooked up with women just because of his height and that was the main factor, I really didn't notice that women went for really not guys, not tall like between 6-6'2 but 6'5 and taller that is enough for a guy to get laid

[–]redpillersinparis 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's kinda too tall, though

[–]Boovs4life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I'm 6'1 and even I've gotten a bunch of compliments from women. I can't even imagine guys that are above 6'5

[–]username5150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly , how many girls are going to get to say hey experienced sex with a 6'7 guys and usually these girls are like 5'2

[–]joh2141 10 points11 points  (0 children)

By foot licker you mean beta kiss ass or he legit has a fetish for feet?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

im 6'5" really bad with women. help :(

[–]arnieschwarz 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Read the side bar. It's all there ;).

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 9 points10 points  (3 children)

look up bradly martyn, Calm Von Moger, Brock O'hurn. They are all 6'3"+

What ever they do, you need to do. You will be slinging pussy off you.

[–]EdwardTivrusky 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Who the fuck is bradly martyn? ;)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Steroids, they do steroids.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Pretty much shows that the opinion of one askwomen feminist slut is not reflective of all women.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, looks do help for a guy, but appearance is not going to override personality issues on its own.

[–]electricqueer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are turned on by height because they think big guys have a big cock?!!

[–]felipebarroz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

6'4'' = 193cm to normal people who doesn't use the imperial system

[–]DennisReynoldsAMA -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

regular spotter

He just spots guys in need? So he's like the ultimate "nice guy"?

[–]Mosin_999 150 points150 points [recovered]

Replace men with woman and switch roles and oh my god you'd have a shitstorm.

I love the way they all sit there preaching how men are so shallow yada yada.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Men are dogs, women are all innocent romantics :)

/s

[–]Tallsmarthandsome 39 points40 points  (5 children)

"Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It can take the form of blame shifting."

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 15 points16 points  (0 children)

„Wenn wir einen Menschen hassen, so hassen wir in seinem Bild etwas, was in uns selber sitzt. Was nicht in uns selber ist, das regt uns nicht auf.“

“If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.”

- Hermann Hesse

[–]XXXmormon 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Obsessions over victim blaming because they all shift blame.

[–]Tallsmarthandsome 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Feminism projection translator: 'rape is about power' = we use sex as power

'males have privilege' = we are privilege

'manspreading' = we cant keep our legs together

mansplaining = we femsplain = feminism

[–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is pretty gold. Maybe add some more and make a post? I love it.

[–]Mattpilf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What percent of commentators and upvotrs are actually men in that thread?

Getting adivce from askwomen, especially based on karma, is idiotic.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 50 points51 points  (13 children)

women don't differentiate between an intrinsic animalistic attraction and a behavioral/moral attraction

Actually, women value behavior cues, e.g., dominance outcome independence, over visual cues, e.g., facial symmetry, high muscle/fat ratio. I have witnessed IRL as well as in literature/film a woman saying to a top genetic male specimen, "Stop. Don't say anything. Don't ruin it." She knows that his behavioral cues won't live up to his appearance, and she wants to maintain that fantasy.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (11 children)

Damn, that's what I need to do. Girls always check me out and show signs of interests when we first start talking.

Buttttt... it only takes about a minute for them to get weirded out and run for the hills. The guy that I look like is so much different from the guy that I actually am.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

This. I'm reasonably good looking, a muscular bearded 6 foot 200lb Slav Viking looking motherfucker. I often get told I scare the shit out of people, and get strong IOI's from girls all the time... Until I open my mouth.

My personality is my major stumbling block, it took me a hell of a long time to overcome. I've found the best thing to do is to simply keep my mouth shut most of the time, let em do the talking, and let 90% of what I do say be innuendo or DHV's. I prefer the physical. Don't talk much, just pull em in by the waist, wrestle em down if they are being brats, play with their hair, etc.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Do what works for you, Viking game them hoes, bro.

[–]PM_Me_OK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you explain what it is about your personality they don't like? Not masculine enough or sounding too nice?

[–]LuvBeer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. I don't have a great personality so I play to my strengths by escalating early and making sure dates minimize "job interview" sit across the table from each other type scenarios.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Same. It's sad. I get IOI's from girls that I assess as out of my league. So I talk to them and they lose interest fast. Even when I'm doing decent as far as game. Maybe I just need to keep getting better at game.

[–]WillyFistergasch 1 points1 points [recovered]

You're having trouble communicating the way you should since you perceive them as better than you and put them on a pedestal. You're placing yourself in an uphill battle.

Just remind yourself constantly that if you're getting IOI'S they aren't out of your league. That's the toughest transition when improving yourself, constantly gauging your SMV.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like that, thanks. "If they're giving you IOI's, they're not out of your league." I'll never forget that, thank yo.

[–]Purecorrupt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Saying more is less. Don't give more information than nessecary. If they have a question they will ask. Normally I keep that all in mind in a work setting, but it proved useful for another "first" date this weekend.

I kissed her half way through the date and did the hand holding shit. Anyways she starts shit testing me later when we're at a bar.

She asks me "Do you do that on all your first dates? What does that mean?" Etc. I pretty much responded with "I don't kiss and tell." and "It depends on the girl.". Specifically not telling her what kind of girl she is and then teasing her for worrying so much on a first date.

I almost shot myself in the foot by expanding more after repeating my answer once or twice, but noticed she stopped stressing after I was persistent with my response.

Sometimes you just gotta stfu.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea. I guess in a way, talking more than you need to is breaking frame. You feel that you need to say more to try and satisfy or entertain them.

But giving simple, sufficient answers stays within your own frame. You aren't required to answer their questions or demands that they imply. "That's all you get."

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The guy that I look like is so much different from the guy that I actually am.

And you're here to change that, right? RIGHT?!

[–]Gunters_Secret 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's things like this that makes me think twice about some of the stuff I see here. One thing I see thrown around is how women can read you a mile away and tell about your demeanor, yet some women still give you IOIs and miss that completely until they talk to you.

You probably carry yourself well but faulter once communication is on the open.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember a similar scene watching Married with Kids.

[–]1-TheOutsid3r- 34 points35 points  (4 children)

That subreddit is pure comedy gold, asked them a question recently of why so many women overestimate their own physical capabilities after a friend of mine thought she could easily lift a 40kg (90 lbs) dumbbell (she couldn't, thing is more than 2/3 her weight).

Third of them flipped out "women don't overestimate themselves, men do!", another third went "WOMEN ARE JUST AS STRONK!" and another third were just on about sexism. The funniest thing is how these groups contradicted each other but refused to acknowledge one anothers existence. If anyone wants TRP and certain issues to be proven, they just need to read that trash subreddit.

[–]1james-watson 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's all fun and games till you realize they can vote...

...and they outnumber us.

[–]1-TheOutsid3r- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess, their newest hype around here is gender segregated trains which they happily use as a tool to bash European guys because that way they can also grab some bronie points.

[–]AnnFranklyMyDear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The number of girls I've dated who are convinced they could beat me in an arm wrestle is unreal.

I'm pretty skinny to be fair, but I'm 6'5 and I lift a bit. They overestimate themselves massively and totally underestimate the power of testosterone.

[–]1-TheOutsid3r- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might've something to do with what media shows them, women easily beating men left and right, aswell as most of them never having had to test their strenght in any kind of environment. Most don't do physical labour and the likelihood of them having ever come into a situation where a man would've brought his full strenght to bear on them is very small.

[–]LockDownHalfGuard 33 points34 points  (15 children)

I have seen a lot of ugly, tall guys pick up girls with no effort whatsoever. It seems to be one of those things a lot of girls are either hardwired or socialized to go for.

I can't complain about height, or lack thereof, as I'm 5'10, but I have a mate who's 5'5 who's good looking, well-spoken and charming as fuck. But even on his best day he ain't nothing compared to the 6'3 meat head at the club.

Being tall is one way to get girls, the other is to be rich. That's why a lot of guys go to the Philippines or Thailand, they might be poor in their home countries, but over there it's a different story.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (12 children)

Yeah, I'm just gonna focus on the money and let the bitches follow. A good idea would be to move to Greece, where the women are hot, culture isn't that different, and a bit of money goes a long, long way.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Greek ladies are fine. Mediterannean tans and hazel eyes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some are but some are pretty semetic looking.

Hirsute girls aren't my thing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

How tall do Greek women tend to be?

[–]Nikelu 0 points1 point  (2 children)

1,61cm is the average height, but depending on the towns/clubs you visit you will see tons of 1,70s as well .

[–]Fedora_Tipper_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women are 1.6cm? Damn I like small but not that small!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha average Greek woman tends to be 5'5" from my research, but I think he meant 1.6m

[–]DatFeeler 6 points6 points [recovered]

As someone who went from being broke AF to making very good money and an expensive lifestyle just keep in the back of your head that they can be just viewing you as a wallet. Nothing wrong with it because you can still get what you want out of them if you play your cards right, but I would say it's harder to gauge if a woman is into you or into your money.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Thanks for the heads up. Due to the nature of my different internet businesses I may end up on the same boat. As a 17 year old trying to find a career, may I ask what you do for a living?

[–]DatFeeler 5 points5 points [recovered]

Engineering.

Looks like you're on the right path.

I was born in Eastern Europe, grew up in a 1 bedroom home with 3 siblings. Came to US on a green card before high school. Went to college for engineering.

I would say it's difficult to gauge true interest because as you get older girls start looking at men from a perspective of "he looks good on paper" IE. Beta bux husband material aka he has money and a good job/lifestyle instead of "he looks good" aka I'm attracted to him.

I'm 5'6, bald, not particularly great looking but not tragic. Last girl I dated was taller than me, a year older and much better looking but I could def tell that she was more attracted to my lifestyle than me physically. I don't have an issue with it, I don't really care because she mostly just a receptacle for my dick.

Dumped her when I got bored aka she got boring after 3 months when I actually got to know her and found out she had nothing interesting to say.

Zero fucks given.

Lift. Get money for yourself. Don't give a fuck about anyone and anything. Become a sociopath and savagely look out for nothing else but your self interest.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Funny you came to the US from Europe for school – I'm doing the opposite, going from the US to Europe for schooling at a top finance university in Italy.

I'm saving time and money by skipping the Ivy League and heading to Europe. Unfortunately I'll have to put my businesses on hold, though, since it'll be much tougher than US schooling.

After I graduate I'll probably continue doing my own thing, I hate working for anyone but myself.

My main girl's taller than me as well (I'm 5'6" also), but I'll be moving onto European girls soon.. Maybe you could give me some pointers on this.

[–]KorianHUN 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm short, ugly, shit with people and fat. With slight change in any of those characteristics women changed drastically around me.

[–]1Sir_Distic 132 points133 points  (40 children)

I'm 5'6". No matter how tall or short you are. Own that shit. "We're the same height laying down." Etc.

Also, I agree that at least they are admitting they find those things unattractive. We know they want a confident, successful (or at least driven..that's why they spread for guys in shitty garage bands. Because they are passionate about it.)

And they can't help it that they are attracted to certain physical traits.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (8 children)

it's all a relative thing, if you're 5'6 and ripped, take care of yourself, dress well, good hair, carry yourself well, you're a true prize for the vast majority of women, no hamstering, it's just a fact, you're orders of magnitude better than almost every other guy they could get.

you're going to be more attractive than 90% of dudes. Sure, any guy who has the exact same traits as you (or even slightly inferior to you) but over 6ft, is going to be x10 more attractive than you. But you're going to be beating average and slightly above average guys every time, if you truly have the charisma and game to act right.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

I think you are vastly underestimating how girls view short guys.

20/20 or maybe 60 minutes did a bit where they lined up these short guys next to average/tall guys.

No one ever chose the short guys, not even once they told them he is a multimillionaire, top 5 chef in the world, olympic skier, chief of surgery, etc. etc. The bitches on the panel said, and I shit you not, "I would only consider the short guy if you told me all the other guys were convicted murderers."

if I was short I would just move to Columbia or Thailand or something. Short for America (like 5'6'') is average there so it wouldn't be so bad.

[–]Gay_For_Gary_Oldman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe you saw the study but i'm calling bullshit on its application. 5'6" here and yeah, cant compete against an equivalently valued tall guy, i've very rarely had any issue with dating. I'm a scuba diver, a scientist and published 2 novels and gym regularly. Sure, there is an initial hurdle to overcome in expectations but if you cant jump it you wouldnt be able to keep them interested anyway

[–]itsbeenarockyroad 1 point2 points  (4 children)

If anyone has a link for this, I would really like to see this. It sounds very interesting

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm not super tall but even at 5 11 this made me feel inadequate.

If you are short you might not want to watch it, it might be suicide inducing.

[–]itsbeenarockyroad 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm 5'9" so somewhere in the middle but it still sounds very interesting

[–]hugeveinycock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 5'-10" and wish I was like 6'-2", but fuck it. You play the hand you're dealt because that's all you can do.

If you're on the short side, it means you're playing the dating game on a harder mode, but it definitely doesn't mean you give up and wallow in self-pity.

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You can always tell them you have a couple of spare inches in your pocket...

[–]Brian_LeFevre_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"I'm 6'2" lying on my back" is one of my favorites

[–]1v1mebruh 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Good line about being the same height laying down.

[–]babybopp 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Listen to OP. Am 5'5 and I guarantee that girls go for guys that are tall regardless of behavior. The really short 4foot 8 girls want a 6'4 Mandingo. Fat girls the same. I have bagged a lot of girls with the mentality OP gave. Don't give an ounce of shit about the girl. Making up or height with abundance. Once you are there, it is easy to move on from one girl to the next as soon as you blink. Being short and romantic is the worst combination ever and worse if you are fat.

[–]1v1mebruh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just meant that the line "We're the same height laying down" was funny and a great option for passing shit tests regarding height, etc. I agree with you as well.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I have a friend who's 5'6" who's having issues with this type of self-confident.

Just a Q: do you date/plate a lot of women taller than you? What's the tallest?

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I like short women so I don't usually. But I have slept women taller than me

[–]1jb_trp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your friends height is not going to change. He just needs to get over it and build his self-confidence/self-esteem. His energy is best spent working on things he can control.

I'm 5'8 and I've fooled around/fucked women who are 5'9, 5'10, 6', shoot, I even messed around with a former college volleyball player who was 6'2. For some women height is a deal-breaker. It's nice because these women are easy to weed out so you don't waste your time. But for the rest the crux of the issue is really this: If you don't care about the difference in height she likely won't either. Don't mention it. Don't apologize for it. Don't worry about it and it's really a non-issue (if height was an issue for her, she'd have rejected your friend right away).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I lived with 3 VB players in college (6'1, 6'1 and 6'3) and it was hilarious to watch them wet themselves when they finally found a guy in a bar who was tall enough for them.

They used to give me the hook sign so I'd step in and tell the guy they were dancing with me and I'd just get laughed at. I'm a jacked 6'1 btw.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta -1 points0 points  (8 children)

You should wear shoe lifts if you're 5'6; even if you're in the best shape, being that short will work against you. A good shoe lift will at least put you into average height, and is something more to work off.

[–]1Sir_Distic 35 points36 points  (6 children)

Nah. I'm cool with it. She can join me or get lost.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Great attitude, but it won't get you very far when you're that short. This isn't a feel-good sub, people here need to start realizing that. Like it or not, height plays into (or against) how much you make her feel tingles.

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That's my point as well. You can't change your height. So why give a damn? Women WILL reject you based on height. So don't waste time on them.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I agree with what you're saying, but if you're playing the numbers game like most guys do, you will get more hits if you're slightly taller than 5'6.

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm not denying that. It's true that guys 5'10 have it easier than me, guys 6'0 much more and guys 6'4"+ can basically not be fat disgusting slobs and they're halfway there.

Me personally I know I'll never be 6'5" . I'm cool with that. I make do with what I've got or can get.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nor will I be that tall, and I make my (average) height work. But I'm privy to the realities of hooking up. When you're visibly short, it cuts down on your hits by a significant factor.

[–]esperanzablanca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

shoe lifts sucks, the best are motorcycle boots, boots of any kind, etc ; you gain like 3 inches using biker boots, but you must dress like that, I actually wear them like 90% of the time I go out because I do ride a motorcycle, maybe would look silly if you take the bus , but well, thats my .2 cents to average height people, wear boots

[–]greatslyfer -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Tbh no, if someone's taller than you, they're probably going to be a bit thicker than you, so they're still going to be slightly taller than you laying down.

[–]DforDeadpool 70 points71 points  (30 children)

Well, I can't go over 5'10", but I can become swole as fuck. Concentrate on what you can improve.

Besides that, good post. Animalistic power/domination = Attraction every single time. Even if it's a dark example, look up Ted Bundy. Women lined up for him even he did terrible things. They were lined up with him when it was in clear that he was a rapist cannibal murderer.

[–]osborn18 34 points35 points  (0 children)

concentrate on what you can improve.

That is basically the best advice you can give to anyone.

No point on crying for what you cant change but you still can improve yourself

[–]TheSelfGoverned 6 points7 points  (6 children)

The columbine killers have a huge fanclub consisting of hundreds of girls on tumblr to this day. Amazing that women probably saw them as pathetic worthless betas - until they day they decided to murder dozens of their peers in cold blood.

http://do-you-understand.tumblr.com/

http://c-o-l-u-m-b-i-n-e.tumblr.com/

661 likes, 99% are women. I haven't found a single male yet:

This note was allegedly written by his girlfriend after the shooting. Note that the vast majority of men on this sub couldn't imagine receiving such an affectionate note from a girlfriend or even wife. Women absolutely adore drama, and nothing is more dramatic than having your boyfriend murder dozens of your peers in a fit of rage.

I didn’t know the person hiding under your smile. I didn’t know about the pain you carried in your heart. I didn’t know the torture you endured for so long. And I didn’t want to believe you were capable of such destruction. I didn’t know I could feel such pain for someone I really didn’t know. If I knew what your eyes hid, and what your mind was screaming, maybe I could have helped you. I could have loved you. All I know is the pain I am feeling inside. All I know is the person I talked to everyday, the person who seemed happy, the person who always helped me and made sure I had everything I needed. I see your picture on the pages, they say what a monster you are, they say how you were mean and cruel. But you see, I can’t believe what they say. I knew the smiling person, the person who helped me. I don’t want to hear it anymore. I want it to go away, the angry cries well up in me and I hate you for making me so scared and sad. Leaving me without any explanation. Leaving me with wandering thoughts and hollow cries. Did you try and reach me? Did you try to tell me? I will live with the memories and the unanswered questions I hold in my heart. Not a day will go by that I will not wonder why. As times goes by, I am getting stronger, but then the moment comes when I break down and cry. I am so sorry I didn’t see the rage you had inside. I am sorry I was so blind and couldn’t see all the things you tried to show me. No matter how wrong you were, I will love the person who smiled and said “Hi” to me everyday. I promise to never forget the person I knew, and forget the person they say you were.

Love Always and Forever,

Here is a nice gem:

Some of us may know more than others, but that doesn’t give you the right to say that you’re more of a “Columbiner” than anybody else. It’s not a competition. I recently saw a post saying that the community is being over taken by “fangirls” who “don’t know anything” about Columbine. Just because somebody wants to put a flower crown on Dylan’s head that doesn’t mean they don’t know anything about Columbine.

[–]DforDeadpool 3 points4 points  (3 children)

That shit's crazy. Yet, psychopathy = tingles. Include aggression, dominance, rage, heartlessness. Because increased chance of survival of the offspring and stuff.

It's obvious that Columbine killers have quite the fanclub. That made me think, why Elliot Rodger had no fangirls after his murders? Why girls dodge the Rodge?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Because he literally died in a fit of nice guyitus.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That made me think, why Elliot Rodger had no fangirls after his murders? Why girls dodge the Rodge?

Good question. They have the highest brand recognition? I've heard about this phenomenon before, but to view it in meme form and consider it in the context of TRP is truly fucking horrifying. I would qualify it as a mental illness.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same thing with the little brother who did the Boston bombing.

That kid was soaking panties coast to coast.

[–]1james-watson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And our dear cuck forefathers gave them the vote!

[–]joh2141 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is good. In TRP, the only thing you can change about yourself I guess is going to the gym more and becoming more confident. You can't change genetics and what you were born with but you can perfect and refine what you got.

One of my old coaches used to say when we went against powerhouses and lost is "You haven't found your limits. Just because you weren't born a prodigy breathing football like air doesn't mean THIS is all you can do. Hard work pays off more than having simple talent and athletic ability." Now I understand SOME form of propaganda in that statement. There will come a time someone who was born with talent will work just as hard as me if not harder and take it further than I ever will. But the point is HOW you use what you're born with. You can sit in self-pity and get nothing done... or get productive and work with what you got to full success.

"Concentrate on what you CAN improve." Very important. That's why we're all here. A man shouldn't sit there wishing he had this and that. he should get to work and improve what he's got.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I am sure you could buy shoes that could put you in the 6 foot range without looking odd.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Charles Manson and Prince are other examples of weird short mother fuckers who slay/slayed like Beowulf.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Women lined up for him because he was a handsome, at least average height, and he was charming and knew how to manipulate them.. most serial killers are ugly af, and most serial killers don't have women throwing themsleves at them.

[–]DforDeadpool 5 points6 points  (3 children)

A little of that, and a little of psychopathy (along with other DT traits), aggressiveness and power makes women wet.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Nah, that gets men in jail if they aren't hot. There was a huge commotion like a year ago about some guy who had his mughshot picture on reddit. Women were literally saying they would fuck the guy no questions asked. The thing is that the guy was 6'3''+ and looked like Hitler's wet dream.

Men who don't have the height, facial aesthetics, dick size and natural muscular build that women want is not going to get laid, as there are very few women who want to get laid casually(and when they do is by chad) and a lot of guys competing for any pussy, let alone hot pussy.

[–]Hoodwink 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Nah, that gets men in jail if they aren't hot.

This is blue-pill programming. It gets women hot. Most women have some amount of intelligence to know it's no good for them (and some might try to have one night stands with thugs, but avoid having kids).

There is also a kind of woman who mistake a sense-of-humor with outright sadism. This is something I never encountered before because I hung out with namely men, but I'm starting to see it much more clearly now. Women have a sense of humor that isn't just 'dark', but absolutely sadistic. It's not the same as men. It's naturally twisted. That's why mothers are often crazy about stupid shit - their internal experience has an element of sadism. That's why they're afraid of violent video-games for Johnny Nerd-boy whose internal experience is more of a puzzle and competition.

Behavior, social posturing, and social climbing is attractive to women. Once you see it - you realize why some women act 'like men' (in the worst way) in an effort to get male attention. Thugs often act in ways to get women. It's almost natural in lower-class neighborhoods to take on elements of the 'thug' just to get women. It's not just wiggers.

'Thuggery' is the new 'chivalry' when it comes to getting women. It's pure animal dominance in a world that tries to beat it out of every male and tells men to be girls to get women. (And this is also why Feminists seem to think 'masculinity' and 'patriarchy' is essentially evil - because they only notice the macho 'thuggery' as it is what they find attractive. Everything that isn't attractive - doesn't exist or is feminine.)

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[–]EquestrianWrangler26 2 points3 points  (8 children)

but then youre projecting your belief that your height makes you inferior

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

Lack of height in a man does make the guy inferior compared to all the other men who are trying to pick-up women. And there's plenty of 6'3'' dudes who are pretty handsome and swole.. look at male models.

[–]EquestrianWrangler26 2 points3 points  (4 children)

yeah but it doesn't matter, doesn't anyone understand that game is not about what you are but who you are? i have many incel friends who are both taller than me and more conventionally handsome... ya being tall is nice but whatever

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I don't really see game as having any validity in real life. I've seen plenty of guys who were using game and they were shot down, and I've met many models who sounded retarded and got laid by hot women easily. Maybe your incel friends are autistic and can't figure out body language/that the woman is into them?

[–]roguealpha96 4 points4 points [recovered]

You're problem might be that you are looking at women as a puzzle. It's not a game, women are not something to be solved. Its attraction, and if you have high smv then you won't have to run game on her. It will become natural.

Edit: Just re-read your comments, I agree with both of you, I don't know who I was adressing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol its okay, don't worry about it. Sometimes I reply to the wrong poster also.

[–]EquestrianWrangler26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you dont? dude game is a way of life lol, many a peons have risen through ranks implementing game, and im not saying girls im saying all encompassing game; high eq, machivallianism, etc... by acting powerful, as people who are powerful act, you not only project it but also begin to live it & understand how it feels in the real...

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, and despite not being swole they still get a lot of women. Like how women will say they don't mind height and then they mention their boyfriends is 6+ feet tall. Wonder how women would react if guys said looks don't matter in women and then they'd sy they were dating Kirsten Stewart type of girls.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Hey, that was me! Lol, can't apologize for my vagina. :)

And it doesn't mean I don't like short guys. If he's short, muscular, and kind of cocky I get turned on, but it isn't automatic like with tall guys.

[–]istealalbums 10 points10 points [recovered]

Wow no shit, it was you who made that comment.

To her credit, it's only confirming what we already know. I don't see a problem with a woman like this spilling

brutal TRP truth

at all. After all, she's only answering the question, "What's one thing you judge men for that you don't like to admit?" honestly. A lot more refreshing than the types of women who secretly admire tall Chads but advise men to "just b urself lol". It may be disheartening for a manlet to hear this, but she's right in that she can't apologize for her body's natural sexual reaction to genetics she finds attractive, no more than we should apologize for being unattracted to fat chicks.

At its core, this sub is all about learning. If a woman wants to chime in with her brutally honest opinion about sexual dynamics, I'm all ears. It's a lot more productive than being actively misled by blue pill conditioning or participating in a misogynist circle-jerk.

[–]RedPillTheorist 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Of course they are naturaly attracted to height. Why shouldn't they? Women are attracted to height, muscles and attitude.

Is it fair? No. But that's how nature works. That's why, if you want to get results, you have to one-up yourself. Can i fix my height? Hell no, i'm 5' 6'' and i'll always be the same height. But i can work out and build some nice body to wet some panties. Is my height a natural pussy moistener? lolno Can my fit body become one? Yes.

[–]TaroShake 47 points48 points  (61 children)

As a 5'5 guy, I'm having trouble with this and live everyday hating myself because of my height. Make no mistake, I understand the importance of other criterias that will man me up eg. Gyming up, building social skills, building my career and learning constantly to become more diversified. However, I'm going to be a beta cluster asking this because I'm always at a disadvantage and my confidence hits low but what can a 5'5 guy do to make himself more desirable? Laugh at me, tell me I'm as beta af I don't care. Anything to help a fellow man become happier in his life is worth it.

[–]jawski16 96 points97 points  (5 children)

nigga. lift. stop giving a fuck. have fun, self improve, and bitches will come naturally. In short focus on yourself and stop worrying about how others perceive you.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 36 points37 points  (0 children)

what can a 5'5 guy do to make himself more desirable?

Improve literally everything that isn't related to your height.

Broadly:

1)Physical fitness and appearance - - you need muscle, low bodyfat. You need to have a haircut that suits you. You need facial hair (or lack of it) that suits you. You need to make sure your skin is good. You need to make sure your teeth are good. You need to wear clothing that fits, and is fashionable and age appropriate. Most people fail miserably and this is just the first step.

2) Financial situation - - what's your job? What will you be doing in 5 years? What's the path to get there? What do you own? What can you spend on yourself at any given time? Do you need to learn a different skill in your trade? A different trade? Do you need to go back to school? Figure out your path to financial success and do not slack.

3) Game - - - You need to approach women. You need to completely ignore the fact that you're shorter, even when it's being rubbed in your face. You need to learn how to tease them, how to be strict with them, how to assess them and say "next!" and move on to the next one.

Every man has to do those three things, you need to work really hard at all of them, especially 1)

It's just how it is.

Some tall guys won't be smart enough to earn much, some tall guys will have cystic acne, some tall guys will have been raised to be BP fucks.

Some tall guys will have been raised by a father who knew what he was doing and will clean the fuck up day in day out.

All of it is irrelevant.

Give a fuck about you, no one else.

[–]Valiade 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There's always going to be someone taller, wittier, and stronger than you. I'm 5'6, so I know this feeling well. You can't allow this fact to discourage you, because you cant change it.

Maintaining confidence is one of the only things that separates you from your competition. Fake it till you make it only works for so long, eventually the bubble pops. As long as you are actually improving yourself, confidence can be derived from some place in reality, which makes it concrete. So keep working on yourself, hold frame, and get fucking shredded.

[–]WhySoRuff 10 points11 points  (3 children)

One time a hot Bulgarian chick was telling me about her weekend at the club. The majority of the story revolved around a short guy (she was 5'9"), who was flirting with her so hard and so damn confident about it that "he blew the rest of the guys out of the water." She told me that his personality and confidence made up for his lack of height.

[–]philxd395 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's fucking weird, maybe a coincidence. But I knew a 5'9 bulgarian chick who talked about a guy who was extremely confident. Same chick perhaps? Lmfao

[–]wtf_is_taken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dem eastern european chicks are where it's at.

[–]redambience 19 points20 points  (0 children)

but what can a 5'5 guy do to make himself more desirable?

Stop caring about being 5'5". That hard, that simple.

[–]Ojisan1 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I'm always at a disadvantage and my confidence hits low but what can a 5'5 guy do to make himself more desirable? Laugh at me, tell me I'm as beta af I don't care. Anything to help a fellow man become happier in his life is worth it.

You're looking at it the wrong way. You have to look at your short stature as a tool, and an opportunity.

It's a tool because if you have confidence and charisma despite being short, you are showing an elevated level of male power than someone who had male power gifted to them at birth in the form of the tall gene. The tall guy has plenty of opportunity for women who throw themselves at him, but those are generally going to be women who also have not much else besides the genetic lottery on their side.

So here's where it becomes an opportunity. Use it as a filter, because physical beauty is common in women - but if what you want is high quality, then that is only a subset of all the pretty ones. Pretty girls with value other than pussy, who are interesting to talk to after you fuck, who do volunteer work! who want to cook a meal for you, and generally are worthy of your time, are a small percentage. So don't worry so much about the 90% of shitty women who happen to be pretty that you aren't getting, worry about finding the 10% of quality women who will see your value as a man. The opportunity is to filter out those women who will be interesting to you, not despite your lack of height, but because you can demonstrate that you can be more of a man at 5'6" than a beta mangina who happens to be 6'3".

The opportunity for you is not to bang a hundred low quality chicks who are unlikeable. It's for you to find and bang 10 high quality chicks who are worth a repeat visit.

I am average height at 5'9" but as I have gained confidence through action and mindset (losing weight, good career, cool hobbies, good male friends, nice home) I don't feel intimidated at all by that lovely 6" blonde who nobody ever hits on. I used to, but I don't anymore. I still might get blown out, but fuck you, I'm not living apologetically. If she's a low-rent 6" blonde, who only wants to get fucked and dumped by a 6'4" dude who won't give two shits about her, then who cares? And if she's a high quality woman, she'll see my value because she has more to offer than just good looks and that's what makes her higher quality and deserving of any time or attention from me in the first place.

I'd rather go ride my motorcycle with my friends than to waste an afternoon with a low quality woman, I don't care how high she is on the HB scale.

[–]joh2141 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I like your attitude and at the end there's some behaviorism that is alpha but for the most part you're basically saying "Use beta bucks mentality" to pick up chicks. Clearly from the beginning you got dealt bad hand of cards of being shorter than others. It's really not THAT bad, just makes it more difficult. I respect your attitude; it's good to focus on working to improve what you got. But this is TRP. Half of what you said is a bit beta. Try to work on that. I'm not perfect so I'm not talking shit. I just don't think it's good because you're talking about being more alpha than someone taller than you then writing SOME things that are beta. You have to be extra alpha as fuck to overshadow someone who has superior physical qualities with just confidence alone or that said person taller than you as to be the ultimate pussy. The only thing that deters that kind of thought is the fact that you don't live apologetically, you don't care you get blown out, onto the next one. But your belief that 90% of women are shitty and the other 10% are any different is what astounds me.

[–]Ojisan1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

for the most part you're basically saying "Use beta bucks mentality" to pick up chicks.

Lol what? If that's what you got from my comment, you completely missed the point. Value as I am referring to it, isn't monetary.

[–]joh2141 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I didn't miss the point; the point is using confidence and working with what you got. I know value isn't monetary. It's the whole "90% of shitty women don't see your value, look for 10% who do." That is good mentality to have to bring up the morale and confidence but in reality it's not 90% of women are shitty, they only know what genetic pool has handed down, etc etc. That's not true. You just aren't fortunate enough to have access to 90% of those women who deem your height (or whatever other reason be it confidence or some kind of physical trait) inferior. It's not fair but that's how it works with laws of attraction.

It's just the Internet, there's plenty of ways to misinterpret what someone wrote and I guess I did. Not trying to start an argument with you but let's say you line up the shorter guy and have the taller guy next to him. If the taller guy is beta, of course no one will touch him. But if both of you are alpha (as well as having every other values equal in physical fitness, financial status, etc), then no one will touch the shorter guy if the taller alpha is taking interest on ALL the females in the vicinity. The 10% that you get are the ones that other alpha's simply didn't take notice or are probably alpha widowed. Whatever it is, the 10% are settling. Which means if a taller alpha comes sniffing around, that "special woman" that you claim is better than the 90% of other shitty women will quickly turn tail and probably turn into the same as the other 90% you claimed was shitty. Not sure if I'm making sense. English is my 3rd language.

I understand all this shit but I don't think I'm qualified to give these kinds of advice. I don't think you are either; at least not yet. It's not alpha attitude going after leftovers people don't want to touch. No matter what you'll be settling or compromising.

[–]Ojisan1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're still misinterpreting. I'm not saying 90% of all women versus 10% of all women. (Edit: and I'm not even really saying 90%, that's just a number I made up. Maybe it's 50%, maybe it's 75%, maybe it's 99%. It doesn't matter to my point, what the actual percentage is, and nobody could measure it anyway.)

I'm saying of the physically pretty, "high HB number" women out there, a great many of them are "entitled" due to the fact that they are pretty and have vaginas.

What I am saying is that the percent of pretty women without an entitlement mentality, who are not wasting their youth chasing the Chads who will never commit to her, is small compared to the number of pretty women in total.

So what I am suggesting to OP is an optimized strategy for his shorter height. I'm not suggesting that he supplicate to women, I'm suggesting that he target his efforts where they will have the most impact. That's not beta, that's just playing the game to your best advantage with the cards you've been dealt.

I also think you are falling into the trap of looking at alpha and beta as binary, and a fixed set of characteristics that are set in stone, and you either "are" or "are not". I'm not going to explain it here, but if you search TRP, some of the top contributors have explained it in great depth.

Edit: and your English is quite good, but that may be part of why we are not communicating with 100% efficiency here.

[–]Whitified 2 points3 points  (0 children)

http://cdn.returnofkings.com/misc/The_Book_Of_Pook.pdf

Forget TRP. This is the real red pill

[–]widec 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The fact is, you're genetically inferior. That doesn't mean you can't ever have success with women, but it does mean you'll have to put in exponentially more work than the average tall guy.

You'll need your game to be absolutely outstanding if you ever want decent success. Being muscular will help too. It's not fair, but no one said life would be. There's plenty of ugly girls out there with no hope too. It's your choice if you want to put in a huge effort or mgtow.

[–]rombios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's plenty of ugly girls out there with no hope too.

this point is lost to some here. i have seen butterfaces with fantastic bodies ... and some who actively stay in shape.

accept what you cant change and improve what you can

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Become a punk rocker and wear platforms. Kidding actually just date Mexicans.

But in all honesty, I don't really think it's that big a deal. If you live in the US or western Europe that may be why you feel short, but your height is really pretty much average and as long as you take care of the things you have control of, there's no reason to feel remorse about it.

[–]JimmayDoad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"..wear platforms.."

Doesn't detract from anyone in a band.

[–]unicorn-carousel 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The lows are probably lower as a shorty, no pun intended... heh. I'm 5'5 as well, but can cope. When I stay on my game I do fine and give my tall homies props when a girl cold approaches him. I don't hang out with guys who laser focus on pussy in any case, so if I'm excluded I just soft next the guy. If I'm not on top of my game then I am invisible and get a little butt hurt at times, but I'm working on it. I'm adapting some sociopathic responses because they're proving beneficial, but I'm all peace and love to people who don't act against me. I've found a few consistent sources of high quality 'tang, all related to publicly exhibiting passions/hobbies.

[–]5pecial 1 points1 points [recovered]

5'5"er here. I'd love to know your consisten sources.

[–]unicorn-carousel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fusion music projects lead to socializing with participants' crews, and certain types at industry conference happy hours. Both allow easy displays of very high value in a context where value matters to them. This is where I find girls who chase.

[–]Sarcastic0Prick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything to help a 5'-5" brother out

[–]zedsdedforever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My short homie that slays always tell them that they are equal horizontally.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get shoe lifts if it bothers you that much. After that there's nothing you can do but learn to master everything else in your life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just accept it, don't give a fuck what other people say about your height, because in reality it doesn't really matter, it only matters and is a big deal if you make it out to be. If you can learn to even joke on your own expense about it, you've hit the home run.

Everyone has a flaw, I for example while being 6'2", started going bald at 16.

Just accept shit that you can't change and live with it.

[–]103342 3 points4 points  (15 children)

I know a guy thats ~5'3 and is very successful with women and in his career.

I don't know if that will help you, but let me talk about this guy.

He is chubby and average face, now he is probably hitting 27 or 28 yo.

He is very successful because he is a total and complete sociopath. I'm not even joking. He is the kind of guy that you feel like is constantly trying to scam you over and analysing you.

I've met this guy when he was selling LSD in my home town. Didn't like him from the moment I've met the dude, it was just instictual, gut feeling.

I have some stories about him. But the 2 things I can actually pinpoint right now about his personality is: He doesn't care about anything, you can call him short, ugly w/e. Dude doesn't flinch or seem to care at all.

Also, he is very sociable. It seems easy for him to get close to people. When a girl or a circle of friend leaves he has a very easy time meeting other people.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

A lot of us don't want to become sociopaths in order to get laiid..

[–]Johnny_Lawless_Esq 10 points10 points [recovered]

Of course not, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from them. In order to get what you want, you almost always have to go after it with a certain amount of ruthlessness and disregard for others. If you are constantly looking after other people's needs, you'll never be able to attend to your own.

[–]BacoBabies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sure, if you are constantly looking at other people's needs. But I'm sure I'm not the only bloke that has found being good and kind to people comes back in a good way.

I'm not talking about giving away your money to homeless people or enabling alcoholics. I'm talking about networking to put 2 people in touch, giving advice on a piece of business that isn't yours, spending some time with kids. I think that those things are win/win in most cases.

[–]Ojisan1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If you're just here to get advice on getting laid, you're in the wrong subreddit.

Seriously.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

lol I am well aware of that.

[–]MachoMonk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

as long as you can turn off the sociopathic switch when it matters it tends to work. Im a straight sociopath with anyone besides family and close friends and its gotten me farther in life than if i didnt.

[–]RedPillTheorist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And a lot of us do. But unfortunately, as it is a personality disorder, you can't just "become" one.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He doesn't care about anything, you can call him short, ugly w/e. Dude doesn't flinch or seem to care at all.

Do you mean he doesn't react at all/ignores it? Or does he have some sort of comeback?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm about 5'6", and just recently I bought a pair of shoe lifts from Amazon. I'm away for the time being but I'm ready to wear them on my next date - already planned for the day I return.

At first it felt like I was lying to chicks, like I was denying my natural self. Then I realized that was just remnants of bets programming.

Why?

Because I'm a realist. Women are attracted to taller men and if I can become taller, naturally or not, I'll do just that. They wear makeup, I wear lifts.

I bumped myself up to 5'8" and the pool of women I can suddenly date just expanded immensely.

The first impression is everything, so taking off your shoes when you're about the fuck her won't much change her perceptions of you.

[–]Jasperbeardly11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just enjoy life and be yourself man. That will attract the kind of person you're going to enjoy being around. Someone who enjoys you for you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im the same height as you. I'm chubby. And Bitches still love me. Be more confident.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just get muscular and have a high paying career. Yes, the best you can be is a mixture of beta bux/alpha fux, but it's better than being a pure beta and it will automatically put you in the top 15% of men.

No woman is going to ignore a rich, muscular, good looking guy just because he's 5'5... unless a 6'3 guy with the same stats walks by...

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what can a 5'5 guy do to make himself more desirable?

The same thing every other man can do. You'll just have it harder than them. Sucks but that's life.

[–]StoicBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know a 5'4 guy who alpha widowed 3 HB9 so far in 2016, he is 25 years old he lifts and makes money. He has a pretty good face and he is ripped. What are you waiting for?

[–]TheSelfGoverned 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seek out cougars. 30+ women starting to get desperate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I were 5'5" I would move to another country where 5'5" isn't very short.

I mean people are going to give you advice like, "Just lift more, just make more money, etc. etc." but at the end of the day its all a competition, and not to be a hater but a short dude simply can't compete when he is almost a foot shorter than ideal.

Seriously consider finding a career path that would take you to South America or Asia where all of a sudden you are average height and your SMV rises even higher because you are American.

[–]Trigger_Warnings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mate im 5'10 and i wish i was taller. I also have really wiry hair that wont go the way i want it to without a shit tonne of gel and can never have a long hairstyle because all i get when i grow it long is a jew fro.

Did i also mention how incredibly white i am? Like so pale white that i can never tan.

None of us are adonis, but dont let that get you down.

[–]MeiFriend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 5'7, just yesterday I went to the gym, it was early in the afternoon, when it's most empty and almost half women.

There was a tall blonde, kinda pretty, nice figure but not my type and I'm not really interested in other women at the moment. I noticed her and she noticed me with even more indifference than mine. Later I was doing my bench press at my limit, I saw some taller guy doing his thing and I call him, ask for his name and to help me do my lifts. The guy being a great helped me with total disposition, smiling I thanked him and called him each time I wanted his help. The blonde girl witnessed that and from then on gave me looks every now and then.

I was educated in my opinion, maybe a bit too direct, and still women notice when you are really confident. Maybe if the guy was ripped and 6'7 I would've been too intimidated to act that way, but the lesson is learned in my opinion.

Best of all, I didn't need to put something into practice, or pretend more than I am, I was just confident on the gentleness of strangers and educated.

[–]Drogba006 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Just be good looking. So simple

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I was you, I'd look into moving to a country where people are generally short, ie Asia. Being a westerner, and with some money (you're working on that, right?), will put you way ahead of the local guys.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

And "takes the bus". Apparently using public transportation is beneath this princess

Even if their on the bus too this shit applies , the only exception are train centric cities like DC. As for the rest of it, just don't waste time on girls who aren't trying to date you. I think the hardest lesson you can learn dating wise is to just not put effort in.

Ask out once, she says I can't make it , stop talking to her and move on. Period.

[–]ChadThundercockII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I could own a car and still take public transportation when its convenient. Bitches think we make money from our assholes.

[–]CSMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the hardest lesson you can learn dating wise is to just not put effort in.

You still need to put effort in. Just put it into improving yourself not chasing girls.

[–]emmastoneftw 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This just in, women like men who are tall and attractive.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (12 children)

6'2 here, a bit above average where I live but still not that tall, many chicks estimated I'm taller than some guys who are definitely taller - a lot of it comes down to how you hold your posture. On the bright side for short guys;

  • most chicks I find attractive are too small for some positions in bed
  • it's easier to get swole / ripped for shorter guys

[–]GeminiEngine 0 points1 point  (11 children)

How is it easier for short guys to get ripped?

Serious question

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Made no sense to me either until shorter friends got huge arms in no time, in theory you have less "space" to fill with muscle if you're shorter. Plus bench / squat / press are easier as there's less movement.

[–]czabak 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes, I'm 6'8 and we've been hitting the gym with my 5'8 friend for ~ a year. We used to do the same routines and each month we got our BF and muscle mass % measured. We had pretty much the same results in terms of muscle gains and BF%, but what looked impressive on him was visually average on me. Had to significantly increase weights to get the same results.

If you are taller, you have generally a higher strength potential, so don't settle for lifting the same weight as your shorter bros.

[–]GeminiEngine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In your take on it, I wasn't lied to. Tall and short can gain the same amount of strength but observable growth benefits shorter men.

[–]Runatir 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You don't need to put up as much muscle mass to look good if you're short. Tall guys have much bigger frame to fill out, but it's all just aesthetics, like if you take all the muscle that a 5'5 swole guy has and put it on a 6'7 guy then he suddenly doesn't looks so swole anymore.

[–]GeminiEngine -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Very recently started making effort to get fit, my bud and the trainer their told me the opposite. Each full effort rep should tear the muscles the same amount no matter if your arms are 2 or 3 feet long because the muscles contract the same way and amount.

Side note but related they did say it is harder for a tall guy to lose inches because they just have more fat to burn up.

Edit thank you for your time though. Just one more thing I get differing information about a topic, and each is saying the exact opposite of each other.

[–]adam_varg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Believe him. My mate is 4 inches shorter than me, i think about 5'9". Started lifting at same time, same weight gains.. And i am ottermode plus while he is already almost swolle. It will take me double time to get same guns he has.

[–]2red4u 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You can break it down to the most basic principle:

Take 10 tennis balls and put them into a huge box. Then take the same 10 tennis balls and put them into a small box. Which box is going to look like it has more tennis balls in it?

Technically a taller / larger guy has more POTENTIAL to be larger, eventually, but it takes much much longer to look like you lift because you are putting muscle onto a much larger frame. Larger frame = more to fill out.

My friend is 5'6 and is crazy out of shape and has a more defined bicep peak than me at 6'2 benching 3 plates. The muscles are stretched over a much larger frame.

[–]GeminiEngine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To say it another way, they both gained the same amount but taller men have more to fill out?

[–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely agree.

Currently 6'4-6'3 and 245-250 took me a lot of work. My buddy and ex-workout partner was 5'8 and looked way more swole like 2 years into lifting while it took me 4-5 years to get to where I look massive in normal vnecks and shirts.

For sure much harder to look like you lift when tall, but the longer time sacrifice is worth it. You look so much more better as well.

[–]WhySoRuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shorter arms and legs equals more power and less distance to extend and contract the weight = heavier weight getting lifted using less energy = more time under tension = quicker hypertrophy

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (27 children)

women don't differentiate between an intrinsic animalistic attraction and a behavioral/moral attraction. It's all the same

Men don't "differentiate" their attractions this way either. Literally no one does.

[–]Hoodwink 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The difference is that we spot and name this behavior in men, but we don't spot and name it in women.

Men tend to grow out of it or at least can see it when other men are doing it.

Women do loops and loops, and defend other women in crazy ways.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (6 children)

I don't loathe fat women though. I think that's the difference. Most guys will playfully joke about it, but otherwise just avoid them. Women often literally hate short guys, especially the ones who hit on them and treat it with the same hatred most men reserve for extreme wrongdoing.

Men also try to avoid 'sticking their dick in crazy' if they aren't completely desperate. Women seem to chase crazy instinctually.

I understand that your dick can't tell the difference, but on a logical level we know not to hate unfit women. I guess the difference is that men employ more of a cognitive filter.

Edit: The top reply to my comment has a great distinction. I don't 'hate' fatties, but I don't give them a free pass. I can definitely see how someone could hate them. There is a distinct difference when it's something out of her control completely. Weight is something anyone can control, and for women takes a very minor level of discipline. Just put the burger down. Thanks for the reply.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 45 points46 points  (4 children)

I don't loathe fat women though.

I do.

I don't loathe ugly women.

If a woman's face is unfortunate, mannish, not my ethnic preference, injured, etc.

I do not loathe them for it.

I'm not going to bother with them beyond social pleasantries (most people won't), but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be socially pleasant.

Fat women?

Disgusting. Ever so slightly worse than fat men, because at least there aren't fat men who want everyone to pretend they aren't disgusting.

Women often literally hate short guys

It's like hating a girl with a beaknose. Not her fault.

[–]StupidStrong 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've come to know female strength athletes in the upper weight classes all the way to SHW, and most are pretty cool and well-adjusted people. Sure I wouldn't fuck them with someone else's dick, but I understand it's not their first priority in life to make themselves attractive to me. They are essentially the female version of the self-aware nerd who's decided he enjoys his life of nerdly endeavors more than trying to bang sorority sisters. I don't have any problem with that.

Of course then there's the fat feminist who hates men because she doesn't get their attention, the fat chick at the night club who cockblocks you because you'd rather talk to her hot friend, or the delusional "it's just as beautiful/healthy to be obese" tumblejobs, in which case you may go forth and hate, and I'll hate with you. But it's not the body fat they are carrying around, it's the harebrained denial of its consequences.

[–]jace81 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What I loathe is how pleasant in comparison to prettier women, fat women can be, fat or just not as attractive (or has the opinion of herself that she is out of my league).

The biggest thing that turns me off is someone thinking they are better than me, or me thinking I am better than someone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honest question, have you ever not fucked a girl because of her nose?

Like literally I think the only nose that would throw me off would be like a missing nose or a leprosy/syphilis nose.

[–]well-ok-then 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Think with an evolutionary biology filter. If you knock up a ONS who doesn't produce fit kids or who can't take care of them, nbd. The kids you have with your main chick are still passing on your genes. For most of history, women had a decent chance of dying trying to have the kid and it at very least takes you out of commission for a year. If she gets knocked up by someone who passes on shitty genes, she may die, the kid dies, no genes passed on. There were probably plenty of women who didn't mind getting fucked by guys with so-so genes. Maybe some loser had food to share for a fuck and she could survive the week by taking the offer. We aren't descended from them. Only chicks who had a gut-level repulsion to low quality genetics and would forgo whatever the "losers" had to offer because they found them disgusting passed on their genes.

[–]through_a_ways 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Men don't "differentiate" their attractions this way either. Literally no one does.

On the contrary, I think a lot of people do. I can definitely tell when my sex drive heads into the more "beta", love-based direction, versus the sex-based, women are expendable direction.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do. Tall chicks = boner killer to me.

[–]lt_hindu 8 points9 points  (6 children)

What is it about being tall that women like??

Because a taller mate can protect you??

Whenever I'm on a dating app and a girl says "if you're smaller than x.x no thanks"

None of them can give me a logical answer why they want a taller dude. When either they are small themselves.

Luckily me being 6 foot isn't gonna be an issue. But I don't get it. No chick has been able to rationally and with out sounding like a Neanderthal why they want tall dudes.

I'm the asshole when I want a hour glass bod on a girl tho. Smh

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[–]lt_hindu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I have no facts what's so ever". You're a liar' That was pretty fucking factual haha There's just this level of bullshit as a modern society where we pretend we don't follow an animalistic code still.

[–]esperanzablanca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the worst are the fat girls that dislike fat men :P double standards all the way

[–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a subset of status (status = access to resources which is all women really care about). Your height is directly correlated not only with your childhood nutrition, but to a smaller extent the nutrition of your ancestors. The UN uses height as a quick and dirty indicator of malnutrition in a particular area.

[–]Sexy_Offender 10 points11 points  (1 child)

How much weightlifting do I have to do to gain three inches in height?

[–]Snufek 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You can ALWAYS improve. Get jacked, work on your voice, get better clothes, improve your bodylanguage etc. Don't think that losing the gene lottery is an excuse for not working on yourself.

[–]BuddhistSC 0 points1 point  (1 child)

work on your voice

Can you elaborate on that one?

[–]Snufek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is plenty of advice. Search 'voice' here on trp, you will find at least 3 guides.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's funny how women complain about unrealistic beauty standards when the guys that get them involuntarily moist are 6' 3" or taller and jacked. Those guys are so rare that a woman might see 1 or 2 all day at random.

I'm 6' and so I'm at least not disqualified by height and above average in most rooms. Which feels okay, I guess.

They want guys that literally tower over me and make me feel small as hell in comparison. Shit's rare. I have 1 close friend like that and a handful of acquaintances.

[–]good_complexion 5 points6 points  (1 child)

If you're actually giving these kinds of women anything more than some dick, you're doing it wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then they're crying "oh my gosh, why these guys want only sex from me and nothing more, why they treat me like a whore", while they're claiming something like "all short guys are murderers" etc.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This chick says this shit and THE ENTIRE SUB loses frame control....holy shit we have some work to do boys.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Tall =\= Alpha, short =\= Beta. Alpha is a mindset.

[–]czabak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In nature, alpha male is usually the biggest and strongest in his group. When women are asked to describe ideal man, "tall" (or "taller than me" or something like that) will almost always be among the first 3 things to be on the list. You are correct that there are many other factors that determine male status, but being tall is obviously a big plus.

[–]Johnny_Tempest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

6'3 guy. Went into Monk Mode, when I realized I wanted money. And Since I came out C-Section, I wasn't missing anything, because I never felt it to begin with.

But I must admit, women do like looking at me, it's only when they get close do they realize that I'm unfuckable.

[–]Cristoff13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I read somewhere Anthropologists have studied this issue of height preference in women in hunter gatherer tribes. They found it was present, but small.

I don't think this overwhelming obsession with above average height men is genetic. Its a natural preference which has been greatly exaggerated. Its mostly a recent trend, some kind of status indicator women have become fixated on. They want a tall man because they feel it increases their status.

[–]EMON87 20 points20 points [recovered]

Hmmm, TIL TRP has a lot of short dudes. Go figure.

6'5, apparently master race reporting in to say the same thing I say in every one of these threads:

Women all have different taste. I've been turned down by a 5'10 girl because I'm too tall. She spun around, dated a 5'8 (MAYBE) guy for two years.

Now, does height have its advantages? I mean, yes. I can command a room the moment I walk in. A lot of women do like my height. At 240 pounds with a 33 inch waist, I am the archetypal broad shouldered, slim waisted guy it seems suits were designed for.

There's a lot more to it than just height though.

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[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (4 children)

There's truth in there but also allot of ambiguity. I reach 6', perhaps a little more. Women have called me short, tall and everything in between.

My ex complained I was shorter then the people in her town. Her only boyfriend prior to me was 5'9. Then she tried to branch swing to an Asian who was also short. From what I've heard she's with a guy now that's tall. The woman couldn't shut up about the height thing. But her behavior indicated nothing of the sort.

[–]EMON87 4 points4 points [recovered]

I tend to date in the 5'10-6'5 range (volleyball players...mmm).

You'd actually be surprised how many girls on the short end of that scale get upset that THEY aren't the tallest I've dated. It's almost like they believe guys like me only go for tall girls (we don't) and that, since a girl is "tall," I'd never leave her. It's fucking nuts.

Either they're proud, or projecting insecurities they already have onto our relationship. One thing 95% of women always say is that they hate feeling larger than their men. That's never an issue with me, at least.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Such is always the case. Although I've noticed that the real killer is their own weight (go figure). Every girl I knew that was on the heavier side couldn't live with that insecurity- and indeed projected it onto her man.

Even if you are ripped a fat girl will continue feeling bigger than you because the issue is internal.

[–]EMON87 3 points3 points [recovered]

Truth.

I once picked up a 6'1 girl I was dating. She's in extremely good shape, to the point of obsession....

She was utterly broken because I exhaled as I lifted her up 😂😂

[–]tallwheel 5 points6 points  (2 children)

TRP has a lot of short dudes.

No surprise. People come here because they have trouble attracting women.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Does anyone else get really turned on by small girls with very feminine bodies? Like a five foot girl with these tiny shoulders and wide hips? I don't know why but that's crazy hot. I just want to roll girls like that into a little ball and fuck it. (Please don't be porn of that somewhere.)

Manlet here. (175cm) I totally get it. I like girls to be smaller than me. I feel bad for those really tall girls with skewed proportions. Likewise, chubby girls who don't have big boobs.

[–]Chad_Thundercock69 8 points9 points  (4 children)

6"4 here, I fucking love those really tall girls. Mainly because they're so easy, they aren't attracted to smaller guys so you've got way less competition and stand out much more. So don't feel sorry, they still get some love :)

[–]jace81 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I see a lot of taller girls 5'9+ on dating sites, I imagine like single mothers, they find it harder to find guys to date them... So as a shorter male, I'd appreciate if we could broker a deal where you taller guys leave the 5'6 and less girls to us 5'10 and under guys.. Cheers.

[–]hiaf 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Cheers bro, gonna do just that, I've never realized that I haven't fucked a girl that much taller than me

[–]jace81 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's repulsive, I don't know why you would too unless they are exceptionally slim and attractive?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

5'9 is average height mate. You're not exactly tall, but you aren't a manlet either.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I mean I've only gotten teased by a girl once about it and she was definitely flirting. Most tall girls I've met eventually apologize to me for their height.

I def like shorter girls tho. Japan and Korea seem to produce the perfect body type all the time. Not sure what they know that we don't.

[–]5pecial 3 points3 points [recovered]

Well, fuck. Time for limb lengthening.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct your posture and do some stretching. you won't get taller but your will look taller.

[–]BlueFreedom420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

if we just make women walk barefoot, then all men will seem taller lol

[–]Subtletorious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Height in men is like big tits on women. Neither feature serves any purpose in day to day life but the proportion of these features communicates to something deep in each sex's psychy.

However, that being said, just as women with different breast sizes adapt to their "limitations", men without the "big tits" equivalent must adapt to their reality.

(Disclaimer: 6'1+ but very happy with A-cup women)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When men insist on hovering around the girl they like, licking the floor she steps on, even after she has repeatedly turned them down. As in: "maybe if I stick around and show her I can be the perfect gentleman and do whatever she asks, be it running errands for her or carrying her bags for her or lifting her up so she doesn't have to climb up those pesky stairs, and treating her like both a child who needs protection and a princess who needs her knight, she'll finally respect me and realize I'm actually her soulmate and we'll be happy forever!" One: that'll never work. Two: GODDAMMIT GUYS HAVE A LITTLE SELF-RESPECT FOR CHRISSAKES IF YOU CAN'T LOVE YOURSELF HOW THE HELL YOU GONNA LOVE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN I GET AN AMEN UP IN HEEEEAAARRR

Straight from that post. Red pill in a concise paragraph

[–]beginner_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Don' take this literal. Women have no clue about height. 6.3 just means big as in muscular and not tall. A tall skinny guy won't give her the tingles

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Disagree here. Worked in a grocery store. My co-worker was a tall 6'3 skinny guy while I'm a 5'10 fit guy. Trust me I get complemented on my mucsles all the time.

Although the girls were attracted to me and him, they always favored him. He always did far less work then me. I was the funny, charming guy. He was too, but no where near as much, but they approached him way more then me. I was always the second option.

He had a girlfriend and could have banged nearly every girl in the store if he wanted. Me? Well I asked the women out and got flaked on by all of them.

I'm sorry, but height trumps a lot and pretty much can trump anything. And I seen some beta guys with pretty hot women as girl friends in my social circle because they are over 6'0"

That's why I don't take the whole beta thing as serious on Red Pill. Most of the traits that you guys describe as beta can be glossed over if the guy is tall (don't matter if he's in shape or not).

[–]MachoMonk 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Its so funny how obsessed women are with height. Its whatever. Numerous occasions. Short men are gross straight to my face. The next comment is how i have broad shoulders so im alright. 5"9 btw. Feel for you 5'5 brahs

[–]ChadThundercockII 2 points3 points  (4 children)

According to OP and the rest of the RPers, 5 9 is still too short for the ladies. Go figure.

[–]MachoMonk 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah 5"9 is like too tall to be considered "super short" but i guess i look masculine enough. I've legit never seen the 6"2 dude swooping in and wetting panties in real time but theres a first time for everything. Its like because im 5"9 and i'm broad shouldered with a masculine face i get a pass from the blatant short man hate

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I am into the fighting and strength training scene. Most champions and strong dudes out there are of average height. Tall dudes don't seem to perform well in strength training and fighting. Which are two of the most important dominance traits.

[–]MachoMonk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yea i would have to say the ideal male height is somewhere between 5"10-6"2 as long as your within 2 inches of the ideal you are prolly good and dont have to compensate much

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The take away is this: Be a man, regardless of your height. That's something we can't control. Bitches would suck Tom Cruise's dick like a life straw and he is shorter than average.

[–]DIDNT_READ_YOUR_SHIT 4 points4 points [recovered]

Putin isnt that tall but hes still alpha as fuck

[–]DancingC0w 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's all about how he looks. Would you fuck with that guy? He looks like he'd break your skull with his fists, then ask what's for dinner.

[–]frerri 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Im 6.7 and i have to work hard for women and alot of then flake. Maby its the swedish climate and my young age.

[–]NewestHouse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

swedish climate is poison to young males. get out while you can.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Way to cherry pick the comments on that post, I saw it as well and while some of the women mentioned baldness, it started a discussion about how baldness can't be helped and many women mentioned that they wouldn't be deterred just from baldness. But women have preferences too, what's new? I'm pretty sure most women are aware that their attractions towards men are oriented around their strength, power etc. It's not like they're completely unaware of the reasons they love conventionally attractive men.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yea, because a bald guy pointed out that she was an asshole for associating balding with those other negative traits. Then the other women came swarming in like a pack of Agent Smiths to cover up the glitch in the matrix.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hahahah, yeah maybe that's what really happened. But still, at least it made them think about it.

[–]2red4u 0 points1 point  (3 children)

They can SAY it can't be helped and act all indignant about it, that's their PR rep personality coming out to smooth things over and attempt to look politically correct.

Now take those same girls defending it and put them in a club with half ripped tall guys with all their hair and half short chubby balding guys and see which ones they go for when the public eye isn't watching.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Right, well it should be obvious who they go for. But men do the same when attempting to pick up women. It's two sides of the same coin, I don't really see the issue here. The difference is of course, women do tend to try to convince themselves and others that everyone is beautiful. But regardless of the means, the ends are all the same. Attractive traits get picked first.

[–]2red4u 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree wholeheartedly, you were just accusing him of cherry-picking the negative comments when there were actual, civil reasonable comments there. But the "politically correct civil discussion" mask is one women wear very well in public to maintain the status quo, when in reality none of the women defending the bald man would want to fuck him.

[–]Castrox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i'm 6'4 ... brb, gotta go make someone wet by walking by

[–]jace81 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny because as a male, most of the guys who are taller than me I see as inferior. They're usually just lanky and qauwky. Of course there are exceptions and guys I know I just couldn't compete with, but just being tall isn't enough. I'm 5'10 wouldn't mind being a little taller but the girls it hinders me with has a similar reaction in my gut, I just wouldn't waste my time and think it is their loss really.

I should add that who gives a fuck what women think anyway, the overwhelming majority of them are not worth your time anyway, so if you aren't very tall, work on your attitude.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guys for christ sake..go fucking lift.

The chick doesn't have a tape measure, she likes guys bigger than her that make her feel small.

This is a principle of being alpha, being large and taking up more space. Tall guys are naturally bigger than short females, go figure. If you aren't tall go lift and get powerful.

I was lifting heavy my freshmen year in college and cut with dieting before my soph year and my pussy rate increase was dramatic. Why? because I was sexier obviously.

Raise your SMV any way you can and reap, thats it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But what's so wrong with that?.. I mean when I see a tall attractive woman my dick gets hard, so what?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post contains so much male hamstering i can hear the snakes hissing for food

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I know you're happy this confirms your RP beliefs. But you also should never listen to what women say, even if they are sincere. Sincerity is not truth. This is selective thinking. Look at the facts.

[–]JimmayDoad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You do get little tricklings of truth from females - ANY age.

I watch how my parents interact and can still learn about female psychology from my own mother.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes there are telltale signs that she is actually blurting out truths without realizing it. For instance, if she immediately backtracks and says things like

That isn't to say I have something against shorter guys.

that's probably her hamster trying to cover up the truth she just blurted out.

Sure, I agree that you should judge women by their actions rather than what they say, but I have witnessed plenty of instances where women have accidentally spat out red pill truths. In almost all cases, their hamster immediately tries to backtrack and rationalize what she just said to make it sound more reasonable and less shallow.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

crap, i have 2 friends, same height. One just need to show up on a club and girls literally throw at him he get laid everytime, no game whatsoever, he's very dumb but for some reasons women just got attracted to him without him no need to do /say nothing.

The other friend is height the same, but he's just beta inside, and no matter what his game, no matter what he say or do, women don't give a crap.

I also have another natural alpha/ women attractor friend who got laid by simply showing to a club, and is not of big height at all.

Deal with it, it's genetic.

[–]CumForJesus 4 points5 points  (3 children)

i have 2 friends, same height.

What height ? And what's the differences between the two guys ? How does he attract women without doing anything

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They both are around 200cm high. The difference is that one looks like a pussy magnet, the other looks like a pussy repellant. Lol. Apart from this, they are both good looking (imo) guys, the magnet is more like an animal, he just drink like a shit, dance like a shit (ahah just stating the facts) and really don't give a flying fuck about anything. Result: pussy everywhere. The other is like a smart guy, careful about what to say, how to move, how to dance (too shy to dance actually) etc. Get laid one time a month if lucky. Thing is even if you put them on a club, let they stay silent and not move, girls know who's the magnet just by looking in their eyes (and i guess also observing body language), so it's really a subtle stuff that gals are naturally goot at catch up.

[–]antariusz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

200cm is really fucking tall too. Yes, being a beta will still get you shut down, but try telling a 160cm guy that he could get laid being a terrible shy man just by "showing up" at a club and not even dancing, and he would laugh at you, because at 160 he would never get laid doing that.

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[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women are just as shallow as men are. We often get shamed for having standards, wanting a fit girl with a good hip/waist ratio. But women take the cake.

With the guy being 6'6 he'd even make a 6'3 guy look insignificant in their eyes.

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[–]Mustaka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I call on /u/dsklerm to answer her bat shit crazy here.

[–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I was like 8 feet tall and I was this huge monster everyone was afraid of

[–]CSMastermind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a short story for all the short (or normal) guys out there.

I'm 5'11" (6' with shoes on). A few years ago I went on a date with a tall girl (5'10"). On our second date she wore 4" heels. When I stood up and hugged her she was visibly surprised. "I remember you being taller," she said. I laughed and she said something along the lines of, "I guess I was just projecting your personality onto your physical features." I don't remember the exact wording but that was the gist.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So, I am an amateur boxer at 141 pounds. I dream about boxing, I read about it, I live it. It is my passion. Of course, I have a rock hard 141 pounds body at 5' 9". Does this mean I be a sexless chump for the rest of my life? Does it mean hot girls won't get wet for me?

[–]RedLavaLamp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm 5'8 and I've had a decent share of pussy. Don't sweat it.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Surely. My comment was more of a revolt about the premise of the OP. People who are 6 feet tall constitute less than 20% of the north American population. And all over the world, cultures do not sweat and obsess over height.

[–]Avskygod0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ayy women don't even know why it's happening

[–]dj10show 0 points1 point  (5 children)

/u/abdada and Rossi mention a intersect called Beta Fucks, where you're not friendzoned but she's also not going to try to force commitment on you like she tries to turn her alpha into the unicorn Alpha Bucks. My 18-month TRP journey finally has increased my SMV in the last 3 months to where I've been scoring, but I noticed that the dynamic has closely resembled the Beta Fucks phenomenon. Realistically, is that the best us short brahs can hope for?

[–]abdada 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'm short. I've always had an LTR. Never once was merely FWB or spinning weak plates.

BF isn't a bad place to be, really. The question is do you want to be AB or AF in the end?

[–]dj10show 0 points1 point  (3 children)

AB would be settling down for the purpose of having kids and a family with a well-vetted partner, while AF would be keeping high value women in your life but cutting them free if they demonstrate being non-congruent to your goals, correct?

BF is way better than being BF, but I'm struggling to figure out what I need to make that jump into the AX categories. I was going to do an asktrp post on it, so I think I'll write one later this afternoon.

[–]abdada 0 points1 point  (2 children)

AF is about sex appeal and challenge.

Think of what makes a woman want to turn AF into BB and why she doesn't want that with BF. That's the female drive goal.

No woman thinks about turning AF into AB, of BF into AB.

[–]dj10show 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why wouldn't she want to turn AF into AB? You get all the tingles from being alpha and access to his resources, rather than someone you're not even turned on by.

[–]abdada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because ABs aren't locked down like BBs. AB will force her to stay thin and pretty.

[–]GoatwithHorns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It really isn't a judgement as much as it is a reaction. I don't know why, but when I see a tall guy, like over 6'3, my vagina automatically flexes and gets wet. I'm not even exaggerating.

That isn't to say I have something against shorter guys. I've seen lots of hot short guys who I would date in a minute, but I've never had that sort of automatic reaction just by seeing them on the street."

Note how she says she can still be interested in dating a shorter man if he's attractive enough. While her reaction towards the 6'3" dude sure isn't nature's way of saying that she wants to cuddle/date for months before slapping meat.

It's way to make women seem less slutty I guess to word it like that.

[–]Cristoff13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I see a tall guy, like over 6'3, [tingles ensure]

Of course she means an alpha guy over 6'3". Muscular build, good looking, confident body language. But, if as some people here say, non-alpha men aren't even considered as "men" in the eyes of many women, this is an understandable omission.

[–]Trigger_Warnings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That said, my best mate is 6'2 and has a fat girlfriend. Im 5'10 and have a good looking girlfriend. Height counts for naught if you have tight game.

[–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. There's no denying this stuff

[–]RP_Vergil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6'3" does get you lots of look, many times I'll think that girls are just staring at me rudely but actually they just don't want to look like they're checking me out.

[–]TheRealMewt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're lacking in all this stuff, I'm sorry to say it but your SMV is basically permanently stunted.

I really do get tired of the "muh genetics" crowd regurgitating this trash. With the exception of height, one can fix any and all other discrepancies with the right tools or practice. You can get in shape, you can train your voice to speak in lower octaves... if you're that desperate to look more manly, there's surgery for that. But to say it's permanently stunted, well then we may as well just stop reading the advice here and give up like a bunch of beaten dogs, right?

Yeah it's a brutal truth that women like their standard flavors of guys. It's also a brutal truth that men can do something about it if they don't quite live up to that expectation.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

If you're not even 5'6", you might as well date Mexicans and Ecuadorians.

[–]Sarcastic0Prick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disagree. 5'-5" guy here and I've dated women as tall as 5'-8" or 5'-9" tall. Confidence goes a long way, and if you're funny, handy, good looking, good in bed, etc etc etc, you're fine.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Fuck every time I read shit about height I get mad at my Mum. I was raised by a single Mum so I never got enough nutrition in my childhood and was always weedy.

Mum was Tall, all the Men in her family are closer to 190 then 180. My wingspan finger to finger is 188. Actual height, 178.

Thanks for gypping me 10cm Mum.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Hear that fellas, you gotta be over 6'3 to get that broad off.

[–]VoidedSmash 7 points7 points [recovered]

Keep in mind that women have difficulty measuring heights though. I'm 6' but chicks have said I'm 6'2. It gets even worse when they talk about penis length.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I remember this one time when a past date gleefully pointed out she was taller than me. I looked down, 3 inch high heels and me? Paper thin All-Stars soles. She was still shorter by a small margin but I fully believe she was convinced she was taller at that moment.

Nowadays I just arrive with a pair of stills, not making that mistake again.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Perhaps, if you are hoping to do it with visuals alone (presuming she can accurately calculate a guy's height by sight. Maybe you will have better luck if you use your dick.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Some women are just fucked up beyond all measure. I'd rather get myself off.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Absolutely true, but I wouldn't say this particular woman is fucked up. She is attracted to traits she is biologically inclined to be attracted to. There's nothing fucked up about that.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

True and yet it reveals something more. For example- It would be like a man that only gets a raging boner from Kim Kardashians ass. Anything bellow that doesn't make that soldier salute. It's a sign of heavy entitlement and fucked up expectations for any eventual partner.

Since I doubt she's off high SMV this woman is comparable to the girls you know on Facebook that share Ryan Gosling love poems but never have an actual real boyfriend.

Now it's possible she's just exaggerating and her attraction capacity is perfectly fine. But if that is not the case she's definitely a basket case. Alpha Widows also hold unrealistic expectations for their future mates based on the inflated impression of a guy they couldn't get in the first place.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I took it as she could still be attracted to somewhat shorter guys, but only the 6'3 and over guys will literally make her pussy wet just by looking at them.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah me to, but it would be fun if this was another crazy.

[–]ArtTheRussian -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Wait so if you're successful in life more women will want you? This is common sense, be a winner and you'll get bitches...

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[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to break this to you, but hot chicks don't care whether your attractive qualities are ones you had to work for or not. Tall dudes and guys who were born into money get hot chicks. If anything, women actually prefer guys whose traits appear natural. So, improve what you can, lift and create value, but try to make it look as effortless as possible.

[–]Blackierobinsin2 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What can a short obese guy like myself do

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lose weight, gain muscle, gain money. Sure, this thread tells the brutal truth about height, but I don't think the take away message should be "just give up if you're short". We all have to make the best of what we are given in this life. It's still possible to attract hot chicks with other attractive qualities.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

zomgz women are so mysterious and nobody even themselves truly understands them! /s god this is stupid. Not every woman is a fucking douchebag, you guys need to stop giving these bitches the time of day.

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