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Rant/VentingTreating women badly -- because they deserve it (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardArchwinger

Every so often, I read a Red Pill post that goes something like: “I’ve been a total asshole toward women and treated them like utter shit for the past six months, and like magic, they can’t seem to stop fucking me. But I feel really bad about treating them this way, and empty about all the meaningless sex without more of a connection. How do you guys get over this feeling?”

The peanut gallery then launches into the typical party line explanations: It’s okay to do this because men have an inborn drive – an obligation really – to maximize their sexual outcome, and there’s nothing wrong with doing what works. And besides, this is what women are inherently attracted to, for strong evolutionary/biological reasons, so we’re just giving women what they want. Society’s just taught you wrong. So it’s okay to treat women this way and act this way and have all of this sex for lots of good reasons. Blah blah blah reasons.

We’re so quick to explain, rationalize, and spit out all of these great reasons, yet too timid to state the best reason of all: It’s okay to treat women this way because they deserve it.

When you’re camping in the woods and a wild animal enters your campsite, you shoot the animal, or at least run it off. You don’t wait to see if the animal causes any harm.

If your dog bites one of the kids in the neighborhood, you have it put down. It doesn’t matter how good of a dog or how stalwart of a companion it’s been over the years.

If a man murders someone, you execute him if your state allows it, or lock him up for ages if it doesn’t.

If a man rapes someone, you throw him in jail. You then protest and educate society and spread propaganda against all men everywhere for having the potential to be rapists. You demonize and shame masculinity and male behaviors because any man might rape you. You create a society where men can’t sit next to children on airplanes because men might molest them. You create an ad hoc system where a rape accusation is a more effective tool to ruin lives than an actual rape conviction. You engineer a culture of distrust and shame and relegate men to second-class citizens who are constantly called upon to check and censor themselves – then call them privileged.

But when treating women like an asshole, for some reason, we feel compelled to explain and justify ourselves with all of these stupid logical and quasi-science based “reasons”, when really, there’s nothing to explain. Treat women badly because they deserve it.

Women have fought long and hard for the right to no longer be honored and privileged. To have to work jobs like everybody else. To stigmatize homemaking and motherhood. To shame feminine behaviors. To normalize a level of sluttiness that would make the trashiest whores of fifty years ago blush, and make promiscuity not just an option but practically an obligation. To engineer a society where bored wives can cash out of marriages with minimum fuss and maximum gain, and cheating sluts can point a finger and ruin the lives of promising young men with just a word.

If a poisonous snake enters your campsite, you cut its fucking head off for being a snake. You don’t judge that snake on its individual merits. Women are more dangerous animals than snakes.You treat snakes like snakes. You treat women like women.

You don’t need an excuse to treat them badly, think badly of them, or fuck them and leave them. You don’t need to feel bad about this, just because they’re human like you. We treat human men badly without a second thought and rarely take the time to judge every individual man on his merits. Why give a second thought to women? Treat them the way they deserve to be treated. They’ll fuck you for it while laughing at all of the stupid losers who treat them better.

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[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (5 children)

Here's the thing..

Recognizing a thing for what it is, and then treating it appropriately, is not bad.

This is why I really love the stoic philosophy. Objectivity is a major point of the philosophy - see things for what they are.

You sit down for dinner in a luxury restaurant. When you look at the menu, do you see a premium, tender, juicy, lightly seasoned filet mignon, or do you see a piece of dead animal flesh?

And no, I'm not saying that you should be a raging cynic who can't enjoy the pointless delicacies of life. What I'm saying is to keep it in perspective.

Likewise, enjoy women, but do so knowing that while she might look like a $50 premium cut of steak to you, she's something off the dollar menu to someone else.

See a thing as it is, not as it markets itself, and then treat it as it deserves.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 30 points31 points  (0 children)

"No matter how hot the girl is, somewhere out there there's someone who's tired of fucking her and sick her of shit."

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Additionally... every woman has (and will in the future) treated men as disposable tools to provide her with resources, validation, options, security. She's learned to shame and reward men from an early age to do her bidding. And on a global scale, she has been so successful at this that most men have no idea it has even happened.

She'll flirt and tease and mislead just in order to secure an additional option for herself, and this is considered totally acceptable female behaviour (the man is held responsible for falling into her trap).

She'll accept male commitment, resources and time for her own benefit, knowing it's a one-sided deal. Knowing that she's causing long term pain for the man she's misleading.

And should the relationship (or the orbiting) end for whatever arbitrary reason, she's already lined up a big stack of shame for the man (in order to absolve herself of responsibility) .. "just because I was flirting doesn't mean I want to fuck you!" ... "what do you mean you're sexually interested in me, but we're just friends" ... "how dare you proposition a lady like that?". The list goes on.

When a woman is being nice to you and treating you well it means she respects you AND wants something from you. It doesn't make her a good person. A good person is someone who treats those lower down the status ladder well. Women do not do this. Look at how she treats men below her in status, and reconsider how nice she really is.

[–]benuntu 12 points13 points  (0 children)

A good person is someone who treats those lower down the status ladder well. Women do not do this. Look at how she treats men below her in status, and reconsider how nice she really is.

YES, this! I had been seeing this girl for about 3 months. Good looking, has her own money, incredibly hard working in bed, etc. But the deal breaker for me is the shit she would talk about other people that were "lower" than her. Girls and guys, didn't matter, she just had nothing good to say. And of course those who were "higher" than her were gods that could do no wrong.

[–]gonorealover 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When a woman is being nice to you and treating you well it means she respects you AND wants something from you. It doesn't make her a good person. A good person is someone who treats those lower down the status ladder well. Women do not do this. Look at how she treats men below her in status, and reconsider how nice she really is.

This is EXACTLY how women truly are in our society .

This needs to be seen and reminded to everyone on TRP

[–]cariboo_j 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women do not do this. Look at how she treats men below her in status, and reconsider how nice she really is.

Exactly. If you treat the people under you like shit and suck up to the people above you, you're an untrustworthy scumbag.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 44 points45 points  (10 children)

Man I am one hundred percent with ya. I compare it to the Walking Dead scenario. The group tries to survive like the old societal book has taught them. It doesn't work and people end up dead and hurt.

After a while the survivors become relentless (but don't lose themselves, they remain loyal and humane towards each other and those who deserve) they don't trust on sight. They deploy 110% violence on any threat.

After a while Rick the main protagonist meets an old acquaintance whom he met at the beginning. This man knew the beta male nice guy Rick version and asked him what happened. Rick, now a hardened survivor and leader tells him simply:

"I don't take chances anymore"

He's not mad or scared. He simply accepted that he had to live by these rules to secure safety and happiness for his group.

Same towards women. We have to, they deserve it, we don't take chances anymore. Let them suffer in whatever capacity they end up. It's not our responsibility anymore.

[–]TomFoo 31 points32 points  (0 children)

"I don't take chances anymore"

In other words, all guns are loaded.

Then you arrive at all women are like that.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Rick says to hill top leader "Confrontation’s never been something we had trouble with.” Bad Mo Fo

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 91 points92 points  (44 children)

Women have fought long and hard for the right to no longer be honored and privileged. To have to work jobs like everybody else. To stigmatize homemaking and motherhood. To shame feminine behaviors. To normalize a level of sluttiness that would make the trashiest whores of fifty years ago blush, and make promiscuity not just an option but practically an obligation. To engineer a society where bored wives can cash out of marriages with minimum fuss and maximum gain, and cheating sluts can point a finger and ruin the lives of promising young men with just a word.

This is why I'm much more sweet with girls 18-22, who are still students, and largely still have a "Daddy" in their lives who is not government or the employer, especially if they also have older brothers.

If there's some kind of male authority they can't fuck, but whom they can adore and love, and whose corrections they've received and tolerated, they're just worlds apart from other women.

Not all of them are raging feminazis, or 'career women' who have ceaselessly borne their vessels against the current, trying to be men.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 83 points84 points  (40 children)

Women definitely get worse as they get older. They become more demanding, even as they have less value to offer in terms of sexual attractiveness or fertility. And the current generation of women doesn't even know how to cook or do other domestic things ... I have plenty of money and a career, I don't need that in a woman. They essentially provide no value to my life.

This is largely why, even as a mid-30's man, I avoid women over 30. They are too much trouble, and not enough value ... and the worst of it is that they don't even realize it ...

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    [–]Benny757 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    You too? Holy Christ, 52 here and I've been to these gals places too. A hell of a mess. Scatter-brained thinking as they swing their arms in the air and yell "I'm gonna ride the alimony pony till the very end!" Sung in sing song of course. Sickens me. I almost started defending the pathetic ex on that one....

    [–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

    I turn 50 this year. While I have dated maybe 3 or 4 women EVER in the 35 to 40 age range, I now restrict myself to 26 to 34, and preferably under 30. I haven't encountered privileged snobs and aging princesses, but the older they get the more baggage they accumulate and the more difficult they are even as their looks and fertility fade.

    [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    man, I'm 26 did not know there was so many over 50's here... it's pretty cool to know that people as old as that are still doing it.

    [–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Hey, don't rush me! I still have another 7 months (or a year and a half depending on how you count it) before I am over 50.

    I suppose the good news is that if you follow the advice here, you can look forward to another 30+ years of chasing and scoring pussy.

    [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    i've noticed this myself, they think it's a privilege for the man to serve them. i read one article even where the man was a willing cuckold and felt it was a privilege to be a part of his wife's life, like she was doing him a favor by fucking other men and expressing herself or some bullshit. it just makes no sense, and frankly it's kinda frightening how far we've fallen as a society, how warped and deluded people have become. it really makes me sick how many women seem to think that taking care of them is a privilege and not a sacrifice.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Pussy is the only commodity they have left and even that depreciates very rapidly.

    [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    They add points to themselves for income and education. Women realize that men want shit like blow jobs and breakfast in relationships, but women need a power differential to want to provide that service. So don't expect a 30 year old with a masters in musical therapy to want to blow you unless your orders of magnitude above her.

    She will in the honeymoon phase, but familiarity breeds contempt.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Monogamy and relationships are such a joke.

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      [–]TomFoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Nope. I think of my mom who's in her 60s. She would completely be lost like a little child if it weren't for my old man.

      Nice khakis btw, Jake from State Farm.

      [–]RedMoonAscendant 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Men on this sub say women stop maturing emotionally at 18, whereas a man catches up when he's 27, but continues on maturing, leaving the woman at a "27-yr-old male" level of maturity.

      That isn't true. Women keep maturing past 18, the pace just slows up a bit.

      When a woman reaches 70, she is fully as mature as a 29-yr-old male. By 90, almost as mature as a 31-yr-old male!

      So just wait 'til she's 130 and you will be surprised how sweet, kind, and wise she has become. Great in the sack, too, I'm sure.

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        [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 19 points20 points  (2 children)

        The problem is this: YES, actually she CAN find a really good husband even if she is 80 pounds overweight, considers ordering pizza to be "cooking for the family", and has more mental issues than the lovechild of Charles Manson and Lizzie Borden.

        Women under the age of about 50 have grown up their entire lives with this "all women are beautiful" and "you are a good person no matter what" horse shit. Very few of them have had it ingrained in them that to be beautiful they must pay attention to their bodies and to be considered a good person they must do good works.

        In other words, for the majority of western women, accountability is not a thing, and there's no connection between cause and effect.

        Men of this generation have ALSO been raised with the "all women are beautiful" notion, alongside the "all men are potential rapists" notion. So they're brainwashed too, and they'll take a wife who's a fat, lazy fucking bitch, because they are not aware that they have a right to demand better.

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          [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Men no longer know what they want. Men have been brainwashed to believe that their own desires are not relevant and that their prime directive is to please a woman.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Black dragon recently had a couple of blog entries about women over 33. That they take much more time, money and work to get into bed, and a number of other disadvantages. What really came out for me is, why bother? http://www.blackdragonblog.com

          [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I have plenty of money and a career, I don't need that in a woman.

          this is what the modern women is now, they forgot how to cook and be womenly, they fort so hard to be " like men" that now even men dont want them.

          [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          yeah younger girls hasn't seen much of the world yet... they are fresh and not fucked up yet

          [–]baube19 153 points154 points  (98 children)

          This is somehowrelated.. a friend of my SO came for diner last night and she casually dropped she is sleeping around. We where dumbfunded at her logic "but unless he does'nt know it won't hurth him" or "he deserve it because..." we changed subject and after she left decided that we will never invite her again..

          I'll just wait for the dust to settle so this bitch can't make the connection between telling us and me telling his SO. What a dumb bitch.. they are planing on gething engaged and all.. it will be a fun boat to see go down...

          [–]2renzy77 230 points231 points  (85 children)

          Not only do they not feel shame, a lot of them seem to treat it like the whole thing's a game. Like it's funny to dupe their trusting bf/husband. I've seen girls laughing and whispering and dropping hints about how they were flirting or messing around with guys, with their boyfriends standing right there.

          It's like this wink, wink, nudge, nudge haha remember how much fun we had on that girls night out and then they laugh when they see the bf getting uncomfortable because he suspects something happened but he doesn't know what and couldn't prove it even if he wanted to because the girls all cover for each other.

          I think to them it's funny to pull the wool over men's eyes and dupe them. A fun little game. To women, mocking men is always OK because women see themselves as punching up when they do it to guys. I think the idea that they should feel bad about treating their boyfriends or husbands like this never even occurs to them. It's not on their radar at all. Honestly, I don't think women even have the ability to feel sorry for the way they treat men or even to empathize with men at all.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 77 points78 points  (41 children)

          I've seen girls laughing and whispering and dropping hints about how they were flirting or messing around with guys, with their boyfriends standing right there.

          I can second this

          I've been that guy that fucked the dudes girl

          People get off on danger. It spikes adrenaline. It's basically a fucking aphrodisiac. The more they hint at it, in the presence of others, making that awkward sexual tension in a group of people, especially if their dude is there, the more it spikes.

          I've never cheated on a girl, not my thing, but i also vet extensively. But god damn sex with a chick you know has a dude is a different kind of sex. It's way more intense just because it's potentially dangerous. The sex itself was horrible actually, total starfish, but the experience and what you feel is fucking surreal.

          I use to not understand why people cheat or how they become repeating cheaters.

          Once i fucked that girl It clicked instantly. That shit is fucking addicting. It's literally like a drug. It also taught me to never date a chick who has a history of cheating. It gets wired into them like a drug addict. Once you are a drug addict your mind is forever vulnerable to relapse. Cheating is a drug through and through. It's used to escape their reality, just like how we use drugs and alcohol to escape.

          [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 70 points71 points  (14 children)

          The best part is that society will blame you for making those poor women cheat. It's not their fault. It's your fault for being such a darn good seducer when you knew she had a boyfriend.

          It's your responsibility to enforce her promises, not hers.

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          Of course it is. Whatever the 'narrative' may be, society - and women - know full well that women are not fully responsible adults.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 20 points21 points  (2 children)

          I know, I'm such a misogynist for being attractive and sexually successful and all the fucking work I put in to get there. I should probably just stop the whole self improvement thing. I should think about all the womenz I've hurt with their lack of agency, accountability, shortsightedness and inability to see the consequences of their actions and those they effect.

           

          I think you've really made me rethink my life choices Archwinger, thanks

           

          [–]ThrowyMcGruder 10 points11 points  (2 children)

          There was actually a thread not so long ago, on reddit, asking about horrible things that people have done.

          One guy said that he had sex with a woman who had a boyfriend.

          And I shit you not, he actually said something along the lines of, "I know I'm an ass and I guess she might be equally, if not even more, responsible..."

          It's hilarious that that's even a question in his mind.

          I can't imagine living in a world where I, as a guy in a committed relationship, can go have sex with a single woman, and the general consensus is that she's a complete bitch but maybe, just maybe, I should feel a little bad. Possibly even more so.

          I mean that bitch went around being sexy. How could I possibly be held accountable for that?

          It's a real head-scratcher.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The way I see it is unless he knows the guy, he has nothing to feel guilty about. Sure, one has to feel sorry for the boyfriend, but his girl would only be fucking some other guy, if not the man in question.

          [–]32643264 9 points10 points  (3 children)

          Ive literally had a girl (who has a BF) tell me after I fucked her, "you seduced me!"

          nothing surprises me anymore

          [–]All__fun 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Is that inaccurate ?

          Not even trying to diss you.

          Is it wrong to equate gaming a chick to seducing a chick ?

          [–]Interversity 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          It's not inaccurate, but it is incomplete. Seduction isn't something you can just do to someone. They have to be complicit in the process. So saying 'you seduced me' is only half of reality.

          [–]squeadle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          It's her Anti-Slut Defense. "you seduced me" means she's not culpable; it's the guy's fault she cheated for being a sneaker seducer, not her fault for being a sloot

          [–]alphabeta49 6 points7 points  (11 children)

          I've cheated on my wife. The addiction thing isn't limited to chicks.

          [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 10 points11 points  (4 children)

          Cheating feels pretty great while you're doing it. I've discovered that I can kinda quell the desire to step outside of a relationship by just role playing with her, like pretending to be in situations that would be cheating. Meeting somewhere as "strangers", etc. It's fun.

          Of course, if you're with a girl who doesn't like a lot of sex, then this wouldn't help. My girl loves sex even more than I do. Lately it's been three times a day, and she'd take another three if I wanted to. And we've been together way longer than a "honeymoon" period. So I'm doing something right, I guess.

          I think I'll go home and have her pretend to be a space alien cheerleader teen prostitute nun.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Never said it wasn't. I realized it the first time, I choose not to go down that path for the obvious reason. I think cheating with a chick would eventually lead to cheating on a chick.

          But then again, i rarely become exclusive with a girl so it's not a worry.

          [–]alphabeta49 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Not disagreeing, just relating to your comment.

          I also agree that once they've gotten a taste, there's no going back to innocence.

          [–]Chrience 42 points43 points  (15 children)

          Honestly, I don't think women even have the ability to feel sorry for the way they treat men or even to empathize with men at all.

          Love in a relationship always FLOWS DOWN :

          Men ------> women -----> children ------> puppies

          The guy in this example was weak, when it's natural for men to be the strongest in the relationship. Want some empathy and loving care as a guy? Tough! That love ain't flowing backwards from women to men in the above model for you, so you always have to be on top. Make sure to game your girlfriend regularly, keep you value and options high and keep stoic and strong, so you won't NEED that unnatural 'backwards love' to help you in the first place, and you remain the most powerful in the relationship (Captain first mate dynamic).

          [–]bluedrygrass 13 points14 points  (10 children)

          No. Not even that. That's STILL trying to rationalize and put logic and sense in an illogical and senseless world.

          Women don't really love children- they love what childrens bring: affection, sweet feelz, social status. But almost all women will try to betafy their sons, and then lose respect if they do.

          Try to game your mother. Apply TRP principles in your relation with her. They will always work. Why? Because sons are just another tool for a mother. Specifically, a source of money. Motherly "love" is not disinterested.

          Children usually don't love puppies- they love to use puppies. It's usually the parents that have to feed and clean the mess the puppies do. Almost all childrens- especially the female ones in my experience- will abuse their pets in one way or another, or just straight up ignore them when they don't care anymore.

          [–]xBonerDetective 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Lol how do you knock him and say he's trying to rationalize and put logic into an illogical and senseless world...

          ...and in the next paragraph try your own hand at rationalizing and putting logic into your self described "illogical and senseless world"

          I disagree with your entire premise.

          [–]spookyman212 11 points12 points  (6 children)

          You sound so tainted. Mothers love their children. Yes you can get examples of shitty moms. But the percentage is low.

          [–]cheeky_throwaway101 13 points14 points  (21 children)

          Yep, and you can bet your bottom dollar as soon as your woman starts hanging around with these women she will become exactly the same.

          [–]RP_Vergil 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          That happened to a friend of mine. His ex used to be from a proper family background with strict upbringing. After hanging out with a group of "I hate my family, I wish my dad would die, my parents weren't there for me" group of Drama Drunk Girls, she started dressing like a slut, picked up drinking and always crash the Clubs on ladies night.

          In the end he can't take the drama she gave and broke off. Took him a year to walk out of the depression as he thought that he is the reason for turning her into what she is now.

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            [–]cheeky_throwaway101 7 points8 points  (16 children)

            It is completely fucked. I am more angry at the Betas that let it to continue to happen rather than the women though. This has always been a womans nature, they have manipulated us all on a grand scale, secretly they must be all cackling behind closed doors.

            I look at my divorced male friends who have been treated like this by their women (with no kids involved), they still talk to them, go out of their way to please them. Talk about womb whipped. What a fucking dire cuckfest situation.

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              [–]LukesLikeIt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Pretty sure religion/marriage was what kept women at least somewhat pure. I disagree with what you're saying, it's pretty much all on feminism.

              [–]Scrubstepcat 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              This guy shouldn't have any downvotes. Christianity has pussified and dumbed us as a race.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Not only do they not feel shame, a lot of them seem to treat it like the whole thing's a game.

              The whole thing IS a game & chumps not realizing this is how we got to where we are. The cultural / legal climate has made it a game, for women, because tangible negative repercussions are so unlikely for them today that it is almost no longer a "thing" - they're now reserved almost exclusively for men, which is why for us it's very much not a game.

              women even have the ability to feel sorry for the way they treat men or even to empathize with men at all.

              They don't. Women (in view of the public or their manipulation target) say / do things to get what they want.

              [–]barlow69 27 points28 points  (1 child)

              She obviously wants you guys to tell her fiance. Seems like clear cut self sabotage.

              [–]4D6N2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              She probably thinks they're too scared to tell him. That they wouldn't dare. I've seen girls do this before. They don't realize that consequences exist, because they've never experienced consequences for their actions before. They don't understand that not everyone is as morally bankrupt as they are. She thinks she's invincible. She thinks that everyone finds manipulation and betrayal as funny as she does. She's a rotten person who has the benefit of having been born female, meaning she can do whatever she wants and get away with it. And up until this point, she's done exactly that. Watch what happens, if OP tells the SO, it will be his fault. Again, this is because she literally cannot conceptualize the idea that her actions have consequences.

              [–]1rporion 30 points31 points  (4 children)

              What still gets to me is not so much the whole cock carousel thing but the sheer brazeness with which they openly state what they are doing.

              In my 20s, which ended a mere 12 years ago, they at least had they common sense to shut up and nobody would have bragged about it.

              I also know how I reacted when a girl (exactly one, no more) back then insinuated that I would make a very fine BB eventually, my young, naive and very bluepill self immediately exploded and had a few questions, most important among them "what makes you think I would be interested in the washed up cum rags of other men?". *

              Are they so spoiled and delusional that they do not even look out for their own self interest anymore?

              The sheer hubris on display is mindboggling.

              *abgelegte Fickfetzen, in the original.

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                [–]bluedrygrass 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                What still gets to me is not so much the whole cock carousel thing but the sheer brazeness with which they openly state what they are doing.

                Reactions like yours are the reason most women still fight with all their forces NOT to be less slutty, but to hide it the most possible.

                If she is in the right company, and doesn't feel judged and doesn't fear the consequences of her words, any woman will admit about absurd masturbation frequencies and tools used, mind-blowing fantasies like rape and whoredom, and whatnot.

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                  [–]F_Dingo 13 points14 points  (4 children)

                  Women have fought long and hard for the right to no longer be honored and privileged. To have to work jobs like everybody else. To stigmatize homemaking and motherhood. To shame feminine behaviors. To normalize a level of sluttiness that would make the trashiest whores of fifty years ago blush, and make promiscuity not just an option but practically an obligation. To engineer a society where bored wives can cash out of marriages with minimum fuss and maximum gain, and cheating sluts can point a finger and ruin the lives of promising young men with just a word.

                  Great summary here. Even after swallowing the pill, some of us still have an issue of being the "asshole" guy to women whom we've been told to be respectful and nice to.

                  If your dog bites one of the kids in the neighborhood, you have it put down.

                  Why was your kid around my dog unsupervised?

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Jerk Game wouldn't be a thing if it didn't work.

                  Princess worshipping fails because it instantly diminishes the guy's social standing, disqualifying him as a potential lover. Disrespecting a woman can work because it artificially sets the guy's social standing above hers, and makes her feel something other than his boring approval.

                  What's wrong about Jerk Game is the guy is taking the shortcut of contorting himself to get profitable responses from females. Women are "training" him to be the faux pimp, and that path isn't going to take him far.

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                  [–]evileddy 71 points72 points  (24 children)

                  The amount of times some chick is leaving my house freshly fucked to return to her "boring, but stable" boyfriend made me realize that you can't treat them nicely with respect or they simply DO NOT RESPECT you. lol

                  So having learned that.. why would I want to spend most of my life in a long term relationship treating someone like shit.. so they don't leave?

                  Nah.. fuck that.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 32 points33 points  (5 children)

                  I agree. Once the honeymoon phase is over you have to start deploying TRP tactics to keep them around. Why? The most enjoyable phase of the relationship is over. It's a waste of time unless you want kids sometime down the road. I have other shit I need to focus on.

                  You practically don't have time for a committed woman if you really want to make something of yourself and be financially independent in this day an age. Our society and economy has stacked it to where if you date and girl LTR, you can't invest enough time in your personal ventures to make an impact. It's either the girl or the personal growth. Impractically to try to do both, you'll kill yourself trying to juggle it all.

                  Our societal switch from 1950's male provider/female housewife to dual providers effectively destroyed the possibility of having a woman and becoming financially independent. Most people don't realize the time sink required to start up your own venture or become financially independent. Even if you are able to start out debt free it's crazy fucking work. Back 50 years ago it was perfectly possible for one man to provide for his entire family and come home to his own work or spend time with the family.

                  In today's age it's so highly competitive you have to dedicate yourself fully to your work or your SOL. Others will bypass you like your a fucking snail.

                  There is a reason all highly successful men stay unmarried till they hit their 30's or 40's. They're fucking busy and don't have time to drop on some woman.

                  [–]TheReformist94 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                  Women don't value commitment then as TRP preaches.it bores them as they're itching to ride the carousel

                  [–]BrunoOh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Women love investment (in them). They hate having to commit.

                  [–]DocHancock 8 points9 points  (8 children)

                  Its insane how I feel more and more like this sentiment everyday and I'm 25 only recently unplugged just how cynical am I going to be by 34?

                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (7 children)

                  I'm 18 still living with my parents. I don't ever disrespect them (despite what they'd tell you) I just hold frame with my mother. This leads to actually getting some respect from her, at least until dad comes home and scolds me for not submitting (he actually said that).

                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  sort of tough to hold frame when it's literally your parents house and they pay for all your shit.

                  Once you get your place and they come over and try to bring those rules, then you have a good reason to act how you want. Till then, i'd just bear with it

                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  It doesn't take much effort to treat women like shit in all honesty. Just act as if they're job is to keep you instead of it being your job to keep them.

                  [–][deleted] 99 points100 points  (101 children)

                  Hell if you treat them like they are precious princesses they just get mad inside. They think you're a fucking idiot for treating them like something they are not, and they're right! Treat them like the dirty sluts that they are. That's what they are. So treat them that way. No way any woman can respect an idiot so don't be one.

                  [–]KhazarKhaganate 135 points136 points  (100 children)

                  There's a difference between treating a slut as a slut or treating a spoiled princess as a slut. And then there's treating a woman as a slut even when she didn't deserve it.

                  We're in the animal kingdom, but we've evolved away from that into civilized society.

                  Anyone outside of redpill who reads this will say "see look, this is red pill misogyny..." And they'd be actually correct surprisingly.

                  If you don't believe me... Read this thread again, but this time replace every female pronoun with male and how men deserve to be treated terribly. It would be called misandrist by EVERYONE IN THIS subreddit. This is the kinda post that almost gives ammunition to feminazis and SJW idiots. Redpill is meant to be about strategy, all I'm seeing here is hatred and unfair bad-treatment for women being discussed by OP. Like as if he's still in anger-phase.

                  This is just a shitty post to oversimplify and explain complex interactions to mistakenly explain that treating people who are treated well, fairly (badly), results in sex... The sex is only there because they think you are more valuable than them. That's it. It's a value difference.

                  If you genuinely treat someone bad for no particular reason other than that they are a woman and they love you more for it, then you've in essence manipulated them like a psychopath. You treat women, the way they deserve to be treated... If they're a spoiled brat, they must be put in their place. If they're immature, they must be treated like a child. If they're evil, then they must be treated with evil. But not on the basis that they are a woman.

                  Let a fat lard-ass, loser act in a terrible way to a hot women... Watch the lard-ass get dumped. Hot women have options and abundance mentality too.

                  Don't lull yourself into a fantasy where treating women badly, just because they are a WOMAN (with this post comparing them to snakes?) ?? Leads to sex. Treat women like you do men... that's what gets you sex.

                  Not sure why some people want to distort "stop putting women on a pedestal", "stop giving them free commitment", and "stop giving them free shit" into "just treat them like evil snakes who deserve it for being born a woman."

                  If girls are mostly acting like bitches the problem is in the sexual market, there is too much demand for hot women, and too little supply. It's economics. They act terrible because they get away with it. You don't let them get away with it... EVER... but you don't also treat them like utter shit just because they had the dumbfound luck of being born a hot woman.

                  EDIT: Some confusion here, people are confusing what "treating people like shit" means. To me, treating people like shit, is violently abusing them or verbally disrespecting them and hating on them all the time... I'm not talking about playful teasing. I'm not talking about "treat them like less value", which can have positive effects on ANY gender, that's just sexual dominance. Women constantly treat men like less value and it sometimes works for them too.

                  [–]bizmarck 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                  This is the wisest thing I've read here in a while.

                  [–]garrettruskamp 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                  Damn I love comments like these that analyze the consequences of actions and evaluates how this post would transition into practicality. Thank you for keeping us down to earth. New trpers need things simplified at first, but it seems that they do not understand that blanket statements were made and just blindly follow trp posts as law without evaluating the information for themselves and applying it to their own specific lives.

                  [–]KhazarKhaganate 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                  Yeah we gotta raise our standards a bit. Nuance should be encouraged. Oversimplification doesn't need to be encouraged and they could only belong in a "TL;DR"... But outside the TL;DR... complex and correct analysis should be rewarded.

                  [–]garrettruskamp 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  Or some sort of disclaimer tag of what should be assumed when reading posts. Such as when we say AWALT, it does not literally mean ALL women but instead, at the very least a majority.

                  [–]KhazarKhaganate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I prefer 70WALT... 70%... but it isn't really uh... trending...

                  [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 12 points13 points  (18 children)

                  Except for one tiny, inconvenient fact:

                  Treating them like utter shit works.

                  You speak as if women's behaviour is the completely rational result of market forces, while men's behaviour is complete freewheeling and irrational and has no relation to the market at all.

                  Manipulating women like a psychopath works because women love psychopaths.

                  In fact, men acting like psychopaths is a response to high demand for psychopaths by women. This is raises the price, and men are attempting to cash in on that by supplying more psychopaths.

                  If women don't want to be treated like utter shit, all they need to do is stop having sex with men who do precisely that. Whether women "deserve" it or not has nothing to do with anything. It's a complete non-sequitur.

                  If you reward male psychopathy with blowjobs, you get more male psychopaths, because men like blowjobs. End of story.

                  [–]KhazarKhaganate 26 points27 points  (4 children)

                  Women are attracted to confidence, fearless dominance, leadership qualities, protectiveness qualities, dangerous-thrill qualities, cognitive empathy, men with ability to get women (dread), wit, humor, type-A personality, logic, and even sometimes emotional empathy (but less so, but I'm sure you've heard a woman say they really hate a man who treats the waitress badly).

                  What part of any of that "requires" a psychopath?

                  They are just traits... that a psychopath can have a good amount of.

                  It's the same reason why we like unemotional CEOs and leaders.

                  But they don't ACTUALLY have to be a psychopath. They don't have to LACK empathy, they just have to not utilize empathy in unreasonable and emotional ways.

                  A lack of empathy, willingness to be an asshole and willingness to be dishonest and manipulate is a disease: psychopathy... Choosing to act on empathy is a choice.

                  You know what's funny? A lot of women say that someone acting nice to them for sex... is manipulative... yeah. They liken that to psychopathy.

                  You're confusing Alpha & leadership traits with psychopathy. (there's simply overlap and I do grant you that psychopaths do get success)

                  [–]garrettruskamp 2 points3 points  (8 children)

                  Not necessarily. If you walk up to a woman and call her a dumb slut and insult her, you'll get nothing 9 times out of 10 if she's even close to your attractiveness. Being a sort of playful asshole and not giving a shit is a more accurate statement than "treat them like shit." The course of action or applying these posts is not as obvious to everyone reading.

                  [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 7 points8 points  (6 children)

                  If you walk up to a woman and call her a dumb slut and insult her, you'll get nothing 9 times out of 10 if she's even close to your attractiveness

                  Do you know what the word psychopath means? Or are you trying to use it as a synonym for "rude"?

                  [–]1MillionTinyHorses 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  Do you know what the word psychopath means?

                  Psychopaths lure week victims in to manipulate to their twisted desires of rape, torture, and murder, which is why their victims are often empaths and children.

                  Many women love jerks, which is somewhat akin to the weak willed victim and psychopath relationship, but the overstated generalization of psychopathic traits being a technique that "gets gurlz" is just nonsensical pop-psychology.

                  [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Psychopaths lure week victims in to manipulate to their twisted desires of rape, torture, and murder, which is why their victims are often empaths and children.

                  Okay, so you don't know what a psychopath is, and are relying on the pop-psychology definition.

                  That's just lazy. You wouldn't even have had to read the DSM-5 to get a good enough definition. The wikipedia article is even close enough:

                  Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/), also known as—though sometimes differentiated from—sociopathy (/soʊsiˈɒpəθi/), is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior. It may also be defined as a continuous aspect of personality, representing scores on different personality dimensions found throughout the population in varying combinations. The definition of psychopathy has varied significantly throughout the history of the concept; different definitions continue to be used that are only partly overlapping and sometimes appear contradictory.[1]

                  In other words:

                  • Diminished or absent empathy or remorse.
                  • Bold or disinhibited behaviour.
                  • Often resulting in a history of antisocial acts.

                  Quite simply, psychopaths are people with an absent or highly diminished social inhibitory response, the thing that underlies colloquial concepts like the "conscience". Freud, the first true psychologist, called this the "super-ego", although other names and concepts of it are more fashionable now.

                  Psychopaths are distinguished by their reduced tendency to feel any, or all, of the following: guilt, shame, fear, remorse, pity, empathy. Some psychopaths are reduced in all of these, others in only some.

                  [–]1MillionTinyHorses 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I stated behavior tendencies, not a definition.

                  Psychopaths are distinguished by their reduced tendency to feel any, or all, of the following: guilt, shame, fear, remorse, pity, empathy.

                  Which can lead to the atypical behavior of a psychopath that I stated. There are what is considered "functional psychopaths", yet there is a reason for the stereotype being what it is as 25% of males in prison are psychopaths, and even the functional ones make questionable choices.

                  Psychopathy is not something you can pick and choose; you are either born a with psychopathy, or you are not. Certain extreme cases of neglect and trauma can lead a person to having Antisocial Personality Disorder, what some call "secondary psychopathy", yet these individuals are often more erratic as they have less control over their emotions.

                  Treating a women with disregard may result in being more successful with women, but this is not psychopathy. Less than 1% of the population is a psychopath. The term is overly propagated and misused for dramatic effect. Summerizing a Wikipedia article does not change this.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  if you can't tell the difference you're a sperg

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 3 points4 points  (19 children)

                  I'll play devils advocate... again.

                  This can definitely be seen as hypocrisy but while Archwinger post is very much charged, remember he's speaking from intuition and experience. You might not agree with him but at least respect that he's coming from a place of wisdom. He might speak with emotional flair but at it's core it's from a deep understanding. This is common problem for anyone that's well versed in something. Expertise syndrome, which is the inability to articulate deeply understood beliefs or ideals.

                  I get what archwinger is getting at by reading his comments. It's a waste of time to invest in women, spend that time on yourself. It's better to treat women like they are all loaded guns but I'll respectfully disagree with the OP.

                   

                  With a bit of experience it's not had to size up a woman and her value within the first few minutes of talking. I treat her by how she treats me and the value she presents. Just like a chick can tell within the first minute if she want's to fuck you or not, you can do the same with a bit of experience. I basically take the qualification stance. "you've got 5 minutes to prove your worth or NEXT".

                  It ain't hard.

                   

                  Don't give bitches what they don't deserve. Unfortunately you can only learn what they deserve by fucking 10 to 20 of them and gaining experience. For those that haven't reached that level of intuition, heed archwingers advice till you figure out yourself, what you want from women and how to read their worth. This post is for newbies to protect themselves. Anyone with experience should be making their own decision anyways. Being your own alpha trumps following others advice. Use what fits you and discard the rest.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  I largely agree with you except that I think you're reading something into /u/Archwinger 's intention that is not what he meant. I've read all of his TRP posts and he is not the "fuck women they're stupid bitches i hate them" type.

                  I think a large part of his post that is meant to be understood but not explicitly stated is that

                  If you genuinely treat someone bad for no particular reason other than that they are a woman...

                  See, it's that phrase "treat [a woman] bad." That's the sticking point. The expectations for how women are supposed to be treated are so vastly overinflated and out of sync with reality that to treat a woman in a normal way, i.e. in a way which is contextually appropriate and in line with HER own behavior, is now considered to treat her "bad."

                  Even we at TRP are guilty of this. The OP talks about this - we fuck them and dump them and we feel, hey maybe this isn't right. Maybe we're supposed to give them more. Because we were taught our whole lives that women are morally better than us and they deserve more than we do. We don't have this assumption about our interaction with men. The fact that we gave them our time, attention, and our sexuality to get access to their time, attention, and sexuality should be a fair trade but it still feels like not enough to us, we feel we're supposed to give them more because we've been taught our whole lives that as men, our time, attention, and sexuality are worthless. Part of TRP is about rejecting this indoctrination that we as men, and our interests, are worthless and must be suppressed on behalf of the whims of any woman at any time.

                  In your edit, you say that "treating like shit" means

                  violently abusing them or verbally disrespecting them and hating on them all the time

                  but that has precisely zero overlap with anything that anyone here on TRP is talking about. You will never find TRP advocating violent abuse. Never. Not even hinting at it. And "verbal disrespect," once again, falls into the category I was describing above - that the entitlements society place on women are so enormous that treating a woman as an equal is considered disrespect, not getting down on your knees and sucking up to her like a subservient faggot is considered abusive.

                  I think OP is 100% right. Am I ever violent with a woman? Never, not even once. Do I shout at them? Nope. Do I disrespect them? To my standard of "respect," no. I'm honest, and I'm direct, and I don't put up with bullshit. I keep my own priorities in mind and don't sacrifice my own desires or my own dignity to placate women.

                  But the problem is that our culture considers that "disrespect." And I think you've fallen into this trap of thinking as well.

                  [–]KhazarKhaganate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  that women are morally better than us and they deserve more than we do.

                  But they're not.

                  Part of TRP is about rejecting this indoctrination that we as men, and our interests, are worthless and must be suppressed on behalf of the whims of any woman at any time.

                  So he should phrase it THIS WAY, rather than saying "just treat them like shit because they deserve it."

                  I think OP is 100% right. Am I ever violent with a woman? Never, not even once. Do I shout at them? Nope. Do I disrespect them? To my standard of "respect," no. I'm honest, and I'm direct, and I don't put up with bullshit. I keep my own priorities in mind and don't sacrifice my own desires or my own dignity to placate women.

                  Yeah and that's exactly what Archwinger should have wrote.

                  And "verbal disrespect," once again, falls into the category I was describing above - that the entitlements society place on women are so enormous that treating a woman as an equal is considered disrespect, not getting down on your knees and sucking up to her like a subservient faggot is considered abusive.

                  Again I don't think this entitles YOU to do the pendulum opposite: treating her with constant disrespect and hatefulness.

                  That's how I interpreted "treat them like shit".

                  I think Archwinger just needs to improve his writing and express it more clearly, "I just mean to treat them like you would a man, compensating for the entitlement women show today..."

                  [–]AcrossHallowedGround 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  I do agree with what you're saying, but my main take away from this personally was the line where he says you don't take the time to judge other men based on their merit, and women want to be equal. TBH if someone gives you no reason to value them, then they have no value, other than that default human value. That doesn't mean you should go around being a shitty human being, but you shouldn't go out of your way to be nice to people if they're being shitty. And a lot of people these days are shitty. Not just the women.

                  [–]KhazarKhaganate 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  That doesn't mean you should go around being a shitty human being, but you shouldn't go out of your way to be nice to people if they're being shitty.

                  Right but that's not the message I got from OP.

                  We should be judging people based on their merit and behavior, while being cautious of their potential.

                  Cautious of not only women's capability to cause damage. But also compensating for their sexual market value (abundance) and entitled upbringing.

                  So it might even seeeeeem like I am treating women worse, but I'm really treating them fair. Not because they happened to be born with advantages but if they are taking advantage of people.

                  I treat manginas, SJWs, and feminazis much worse than someone who is simply a woman. It's all about the value differences.

                  [–]benuntu 21 points22 points  (2 children)

                  You can be confident and not be an asshole. You can be honest about you're willing to provide in a relationship, and tell a woman to take it or leave it (IDGAF). You can be authoritative, tell a woman what you want, and how you want it, and reward good behavior without being an asshole. You don't have to degrade yourself in order to get laid.

                  Sometimes I think a lot of people here on TRP lacked a solid male role model in their life. I've known a few strong, honest, and proud men. Worthy of respect from both men and women. They weren't assholes but commanded respect and obedience. They didn't need schemes to get what they wanted. They didn't lie or cheat and their integrity gained them a reputation of trustworthiness in the community. THAT, to me, is true RP behavior.

                  [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                  Ask a woman, or for that matter, any non-Red Pill advocate, whether they consider "telling a woman to take it or leave it", "being authoritative", "telling a woman what you want and how you want it", "rewarding good behavior", and "commanding respect and obedience" something an asshole might do.

                  [–]benuntu 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Well, when you say it like that it sounds so negative! I'd be more careful about my terminology if I was conducting a survey. Here's a more "PC" translation:

                  Authoritative = decisive leader
                  Saying what you want = honest and open, no bullshit Rewarding good behavior = reciprocating (good begets good, bad begets bad)
                  Commanding respect = self respecting, challenging partner, champion of his woman

                  We could also go to the flip side. If you ask women what qualities they like in a man, do most of them say: indecisive, submissive, sneaky, and insecure? Nobody likes those qualities, and especially not women when looking for a man. And the track record among women proves what they are looking for.

                  [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                  A few commenters are having some trouble with understanding the point of this good post.

                  Consider these passages, which are the heart of the post:

                  Women have fought long and hard for the right to no longer be honored and privileged. To have to work jobs like everybody else. To stigmatize homemaking and motherhood. To shame feminine behaviors. To normalize a level of sluttiness that would make the trashiest whores of fifty years ago blush, and make promiscuity not just an option but practically an obligation. To engineer a society where bored wives can cash out of marriages with minimum fuss and maximum gain, and cheating sluts can point a finger and ruin the lives of promising young men with just a word.

                  We treat human men badly without a second thought and rarely take the time to judge every individual man on his merits. Why give a second thought to women? Treat them the way they deserve to be treated. They’ll fuck you for it while laughing at all of the stupid losers who treat them better.

                  Now. Take a step back.

                  Consider how women have acted, and how they are acting now in today's western society.

                  Women put off marriage as long as they possibly can, so they can fuck as many hawt men as they can for as long as they can. They put off parenthood for the same reasons (unless they either get accidentally knocked up or are trashy single moms). If a single mom, she pushes out the baby as fast as she can and hops right back on the carousel. If a divorced mom, she collects that monthly chilimony check and gets right back out there cougaring it up.

                  She works 70 hour a week work weeks so she can afford that Louis Vuitton handbag and her annual week in Brazil/Monaco/Italy. She has all the stress, disorders and addictions that would go along with that. She drinks too much. She uses/abuses prescription drugs. She badmouths everyone around her. She complains about everything.

                  In other words, she acts a lot like a man. She fucks like a man (or like she imagines the top men do). She works like a man. She parties like a man - vacations, drinking, and late nights out.

                  So, treat her like a man. No special treatment. if she's an asshole, treat her like an asshole.

                  [–]32643264 33 points34 points  (10 children)

                  I think i get what you are saying. 3rd wave feminism has resulted in women's empowerment, sexual promiscuity, independence, etc. which has caused women to look at men as a mere utility in the game of "love". They created this shit storm so we shouldn't give them an easy way out by saying "women gonna women" / "you can t be mad at something for doing something thats in its nature."

                  Maybe its a reach, but when you say "women deserve to be treated badly" you are actually saying "enjoy the decline".

                  [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (8 children)

                  to look at men as a mere utility in the game of "love"

                  This isn't new though... getting a husband was the old game. Getting resources without being married is the new game. Men are used as pawns either way.

                  [–]Ninja_Wizard_69 13 points14 points  (3 children)

                  ...and the state serves as the paternal figure with welfare.

                  The state has replaced men.

                  [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                  The state has replaced men.

                  And this is how men (and other women to a certain extent) are held at threatpoint by women, and given no reasonable choice.

                  Woman has child, woman cannot work and raise child, society is then forced to either support woman and child or let woman and child starve.

                  Everyone agrees we should support a woman in that position. Women know that in they'll be supported. Women act accordingly. Pregnancy becomes a mealticket. End result is that 50% of pregnancies are unplanned (current US statistics - research for yourself if you doubt this incredible result).

                  There is one thing and one thing only that can be done to reverse this. Make women liable for repaying this welfare in later life. Once child is in school, it's time to start earning and repaying it... (and of course for this to work there must be consequences for the "I'll just stay pregnant then" women).

                  Come on Feminists... let's hear how you are independent and every bit as good as a man... but yet deserve to receive free handouts from men and the state when you get knocked up.

                  [–]AtlRP 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                  50% of pregnancies are unplanned

                  That honestly seems like too low of a figure to me. I would've assumed 75-80%, which is probably more accurate if you adjust for "unplanned by the father."

                  [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Look at it this way: 100% unplanned by the father, 100% planned by the mother.

                  50% unplanned.

                  Just a thought.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Far from new, as you say. This is the essence of male-female interaction, that men extract resources from the environment, and women extract resources from men. We love women for their beauty, and 'innocence' and sense of fun and so on, but none of those things happened by accident. They evolved in women because these features were most successful in manipulating men into giving them resources. Now, many of them prefer to get it via the tax system or the family court, but they are still doing the exact same thing, manipulating the men in power by crying and whining and being all innocent and helpless and 'you have to help me, I'm powerless in the big bad world!'.

                  [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                  We love women for their beauty, and 'innocence' and sense of fun ... They evolved in women ...

                  Right... also ... detecting these features and finding them attractive evolved in men. Beauty = indicators of fertility. Innocence = indicator of youth. Fun = indicator of relaxed and without an agenda that may harm us.

                  you have to help me, I'm powerless in the big bad world!

                  Yup. And I'm getting sick of women portrayed as these helpless innocents. So many articles I read say things like "and I was alone and vulnerable in the world..." and "today's young woman has to navigate the complexities of modern dating.." As if these things are any easier for men . And we all know these things are harder for most men than for most women.

                  [–]FillingInTheSkanks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  He is saying women don't respect bitches.

                  [–]raoulduke415 23 points24 points  (21 children)

                  Meh, I agree with some of this but not all of it. I don't think of it as treating them like shit, I think of it more about myself as being confident and selfish (selfish in a good way). The all women deserve to be treated like shit thing just sounds like anger, and uses logic similar to how racists think IMO. Your logic does hold merit though, and I don't discount it, it's the generalization that doesn't. Some deserve to be treated like shit, and I have used TRP with that very same mindset. I've also used TRP on women with a different mindset. They're brains may be wired differently but they're not all exactly the same.

                  [–]cynicalprick01 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  it just reads to me like the anger phase come to life.

                  when you have reached the acceptance phase, all this talk of women "deserving" anything at all is kind of moot. It just seems like these are guys trying to get some sort of revenge for women's perceived misdeeds.

                  when you view a women as simply a creature following impulses and instincts, then you see that is is amoral. you view them more or less like any other animals.

                  so, in a way, they are like captain ahab trying to get revenge on the whale that took his leg. anyone who has read the book can tell of the folly of dedicating any part of yourself to getting revenge on an animal.

                  [–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  and uses logic similar to how racists think IMO.

                  How so? Both racism and sexism are not the idea of treating people like shit. That's what people do additionally, but technically, racist and sexist means aknowledging the differences between races and sexes (wheter real or not, that's up to debate, but that's the technical definition of the terms)

                  [–]raoulduke415 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Not the treating like shit part, the generalizing part. but it does go hand in hand. I'm not saying i disagree completely though

                  [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 6 points7 points  (13 children)

                  If you have the time to individually judge women based on their merits and tailor your behavior for each individual woman, you could stand to take up a few more constructive hobbies.

                  If you treat every woman like she sucks, and are still 90% as successful sexually, is it really worth all of that time and investment with individual women to get that last 10%?

                  [–]raoulduke415 12 points13 points  (12 children)

                  I don't think of it as treating her like she sucks. I think of it as me being confident in myself and being independent. Of course I get a superiority complex sometimes but mostly as a result of her actions. But I don't base my actions or persona around thinking she is a piece of shit. It's not about tailoring myself towards her, it's about being myself, and if she deserves to be thought of like trash then I will without really thinking about it. It's completely reactive.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 15 points16 points  (10 children)

                  I think their is probably a big disparity between you and archwinger. I believe he's 30-50 and very busy.

                  You'll find the older you get, the less time you have. He's advising you it's a waste of time to invest that much into a women with little to no return or the possibility of return. You are much better off focusing and building yourself because that return never diminishes.

                  I think all men, the older they get, the less they care about women. To much shit to do every day.

                  [–]raoulduke415 7 points8 points  (8 children)

                  Well I am in my early twenties. Maybe my mindset will change in a decade or so

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 11 points12 points  (4 children)

                  You should take words of the wise and fix it now so you don't look back and say, "Fuck, i wasted my 20's chasing bitches". You might not agree with him but he's saying it from experience.

                  I just turned 26 and I can back everything he's telling you. You are only have one youth and all the energy and drive that comes with it. The shit you do now will be 10x hard at 30. Focus on yourself, don't waste time chasing pussy, it's vastly unfulfilled in the long run. I wasted 20-25 on girls. So much time i'll never have again. I could be rolling in dough right now but I let the pussy blind me.

                  My advice for you would be to spend the next 4 years only solely you. Pure fucking hustle, get shit done and constantly be improving. Every day make a 1%. Every day work towards financial independence.

                  Then by your late 20's you'll be rolling in dough, do whatever you like and fuck as many girls as you like.

                  [–]cynicalprick01 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  What if your ultimate goal in life is to lead one that you feel is worth living, rather than one that simply gets you money.

                  I dunno, you can have experiences when you are in your 20s that can never be recreated by your older self. I would not choose to trade those in for a little more wealth later on in life.

                  There is something special about wasting time with friends doing whatever you want when you are younger. This doesnt mean you have to spend 100% of your time doing this. Im just trying to say that wasting a bit of your 20s can be a good thing depending on who you are.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  I've never met a guy that didn't go overboard with it. Myself included.

                  Good rule of thumb is 4 hours a day to self improvement. More the better. Every Day. Every day 1%. Do that and you'll be above 80% of the guys in a year or less.

                  I personally spend 8 hours a day, and that's not even close to enough for building a independent income outside of a 9-5 job.

                  [–]cynicalprick01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I agree that there should be a balance.

                  The dude raoulduke415 was talking to was encouraging not even having enough time to tell different women apart though...

                  If you have the time to individually judge women based on their merits and tailor your behavior for each individual woman, you could stand to take up a few more constructive hobbies.

                  like, that takes a few minutes. not even sometimes. Packing your schedule so much that you dont even have that bit of spare time would create so much stress for me that it wouldnt even be worth it.

                  my hair would start falling out and I would get too cranky for people to like me.

                  I guess what I am saying is that different people have different balances and for person A to tell person B that he should change his lifestyle simply because it doesnt work for person A is selfish and misguided advice and would leave person B in a worse state if he follows it.

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                  [–]KhazarKhaganate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Yes less investment. Don't invest in women. I don't know if that translates into: treat them like shit they deserve it.

                  If you have to treat them like shit and get into fights all the time with women, breakup, makeup, breakup, shit gets old fast. You might as well stay celibate at that point. Treating them shitty becomes an investment/hard-work.

                  Treating them like children and selfishly works much better. It's not that you are actively harming/hurting them. You are just acting in your best interests at all times.

                  Don't tolerate her? Leave. Don't tolerate her outburst? Tell her off. Don't tolerate a fight? Just dump her.

                  Point is, you are treating bad behavior with bad behavior. Good behavior gets rewards. This is psychologically training them to treat you better.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning

                  Act more like an 1800s foreign minister when dealing with shitty countries... Carrot and stick, carrot and stick. Like children who need taming and discipline.

                  [–]benuntu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  I wish I could upvote more than once. Our behavior defines who we are. If you treat everyone of a gender terribly, that says way more about you than it does about those people. I see no harm in treating others with respect until they deserve otherwise. Then they just get what's coming to them.

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                  [–]reigorius 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                  Last week I had a date with a girl. She looked beautiful and whatnot, but I didn't enjoy her personality and her views on life. After blatantly jawning in my face, I got up, took a piss and when I got back I told her I wasnt feeling it and was leaving.

                  She looked shocked and in disbelief tried to acknowledge what I said. She then asked why I didn't wait for her to finish her drink? I said why would I and why would it matter? I didn't wait for the dust to settle, so I stood up and left.

                  I'm done being nice to girls.

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                    [–]yomalolo 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                    Preach on, brother.

                    This is an especially refreshing food for thought for those men who are still thinking of pretty women to be something higher than theirself and thus getting nervous about approaching said women... which is basically me since I've just swallowed the pill about a week ago.

                    [–]Adolf_ghandi 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                    Go lift. Dress decent. See the change in their reaction to you. Realize they are all shallow as fuck. Threat them like they deserve it.

                    Prettier girls only have a higher entrance border.

                    [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                    I'm seeing more and more of these posts that sound MGTOW related. It clicks with me the best, I literally don't enjoy the company of women as of the last year. The RP filter has made me so intolerant. It's not anger, just disappointment and foresight to know that largely they are a waste of time and distraction of my goals. After I cum, it's like I wish I didn't even spend the resources to approach, game, etc. can anyone sympathize? How do you become more patient?

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I feel the same way. I could never do an ltr. After we fuck, I just want the bitch to leave.

                    [–]1StoicCrane 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    Interesting one-eighty and here I thought this was a post on male-shaming. Kudos!

                    [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    I know, right? It's an emotional roller-coaster to create tingles!

                    [–]redcolorglasses 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    What does "badly" mean? Are we just judging simple red pill behavior from the frame of an angry 2nd wave feminist? Or does it literally mean to be malicious to women?

                    I think you're regressing the ideology. I didn't learn to behave "badly" here. I learned to continually strive to be the best man I can be and to think and act in my own frame. I don't treat anyone badly, except my enemies. Others may judge my behavior differently, but their judgements have no authority over me.

                    [–]topapito 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    Wow.

                    I can most certainly understand and agree with many parts of your post. But we don't need to grudge fuck them or hate them, or anything of the sort. Suffice it to say that we give them no special treatment which is in fact what they have been fighting for.

                    Protect your assets above all. Never, ever own expensive property in your name. Avoid having liquid money sitting in an account. Give up nothing in a divorce. If you have something to lose in a divorce, you've lost it already.

                    Do not apologize for having sex with a woman. I promise it doesn't hurt them unless you are doing something wrong. Treating them badly really means just not giving them anything to hang on to. Claw from you or use against you in the future.

                    I agree hate should really not play a part in this. OP, your post seems more of a way to justify this hate. It's unhealthy. You're right, for the wrong reasons.

                    [–]alvlear 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                    The anger in this post is palpable. Excellent.

                    [–]modex20 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                    goooood... goooooooooooooood.

                    [–]TomFoo 3 points4 points  (6 children)

                    To the socially enslaved, amorality looks immoral.

                    [–]ChadThundercockII 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                    The outrage on Archwinger's post shows how many noobs we got on the RP train lately.

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                    What the fuck is up with people putting morals into RP? REDPILL SEXUAL STRATEGY IS AMORAL.

                    [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (25 children)

                    I'd prefer not to treat anyone like an asshole, regardless of gender or sex. That's the way I was raised. I will be kind to people until they've shown me a reason not to be. Then I will be an asshole, again, man or woman it doesn't matter.

                    It’s okay to treat women this way because they deserve it.

                    This seems absurd. Why? Why is the presumption that a woman deserves to be treated like shit off the bat before a word is even said? That's not to say you should be a fedora tipping omega, but is there not a medium? Like... say.... being a decent human? And then if/when she reveals herself to be a bitch/whore/terrible person, treat her like shit?

                    I understand the intention of the post, but the vitriol sounds a lot like sour grapes.

                    [–]MakeEmSayAyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    they reward asshole behavior, that's why.

                    [–]cynicalprick01 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    said it in another post:

                    OP is captain Ahab.

                    Hes encouraging getting revenge on animals simply for acting like animals.

                    he needs to move from the anger phase.

                    [–]War2kali 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    These kind of frothing at the mouth nonsensical posts distract from the more productive, thoughtful ones. All women are dangerous animals, poisonous snakes? Quite a depressing and totally incorrect world view.

                    There's a big difference between focusing on self-improvement / not being a clingy, needy "nice guy" and thinking 99% of women are evil gold digging whores who are no better than an animal. You must lead a sad, bitter life.

                    [–]kinpsychosis 22 points23 points  (12 children)

                    ... so treat them like assholes because they deserve it?

                    This statement makes you no different than feminists who hate on all men, you are missing the entire point of this subreddit, its about self improvement and the truth, not about hating women.

                    In fact, one of the very ideas is that don't blame society, it won't get you anywhere, just improve yourself and accept the world as it is.

                    [–]papersheepdog 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    And is the culture any one persons fault to hate on? Govcorp is taking the male role. Femenism makes it possible, with the beta under skirt and the household without real leadership. Pragmatism sure, but petty hate? There is already enough suffering.

                    [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                    But that isn't as fun as circle jerking to an absurdly literal interpretation of AWALT.

                    [–]johnchapel 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                    This sub fucking sucks lately

                    [–]Origami84 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    I don't agree. This sub is about male-female dynamics. If you want to play them in a cooperative, healthy way you improve yourself and use game to have an happy, stable LTR or multiple short relationship.
                    Or, you can also feel resentment for all the bullshit you are supposed to pass trough, all the extra work you are supposed to perform just because you are the men, and decide to forget fairness and mutual happiness in favor of your personal goals. I am not in favor of this 2nd approach, but i understand it.

                    [–]kinpsychosis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    The second approach is bullshit though, neither side will be happy.

                    As a man I am quite declarative of what I want and I quite often demand things the way I want them to be, because I respect myself more than enough to realise I don't need a girl to prove my self worth, ironically, me not caring what the girl thinks of me and doing what I want and not what she wants makes me more desirable.

                    The matter of the fact is, this isn't about hate, this is about self respect.

                    [–]spaceythrowaway 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                    Alright guys, I've been onboard for a long time and I've contributed here as well, but come the fuck on. This isn't "red pill". This isn't ideal male behavior.

                    This is you justifying childish, shitty behavior.

                    This sub is going downhill. Where th fuck are you guys coming from?

                    [–]LegoArcus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    Yeah, I can't help but agree. Especially since when, if asked to explain where they're coming from, their instant reaction is to downvote and be rude. Like, it's sort of ridiculous.

                    [–]BigSteroidMuscles 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    There's been a ton a woman hate in the damn sub lately.

                    If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at all the Beta-ass guys who let this happen. Men used to have all the power and gradually we came to let women have more and more of it (men and women both vie for power). The difference is women aren't "supposed" to get what they want whereas men are. Women, for the most part, have more power than ever yet are the most upset they've been in recent history.

                    TLDR: Don't blame women for wanting power. Blame the beta-ass guys who gave it to them. Also, ease up on the women hate bud. You seem unhappy.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    This is why I never understood some of the animosity towards MGTOW in the manosphere.

                    It's much easier to treat women with indifference than treat them well or badly. If you're advocating treating women badly, why bother. They certainly aren't going to change into someone worth treating well.

                    Just P4P and treat the whore, on occasion, with a tip for a job well done.

                    [–]1Entropy-7[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Q: How do we know Frankenstein's creature was not a monster? A: If he was, the chicks would have been all over him!

                    [–]Darkwoodz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I don't agree with judging a single person based off the actions of others which they have no control over. I'm not going to treat all women or men poorly because of the actions of some.

                    It's basic RP to acknowledge the nature of human behavior and to accept that it isn't good OR bad.. It just is. So I'm not going to think badly of anyone without good cause.

                    [–]tallwheel 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                    If a poisonous snake enters your campsite, you cut its fucking head off for being a snake. You don’t judge that snake on its individual merits.

                    True. But at the same time, I don't go posting on the Internet "Treating snakes badly -- because they deserve it". They're just animals following their instincts. If one poses a threat to me, then sure I will cut it's fucking head off. The ones out in the woods minding their own business? I'm cool with them. They have a right to exist, and I don't hate them for being born what they are.

                    If a man rapes someone, you throw him in jail. You then protest and educate society and spread propaganda against all men everywhere for having the potential to be rapists. You demonize and shame masculinity and male behaviors because any man might rape you. You create a society where men can’t sit next to children on airplanes because men might molest them. You create an ad hoc system where a rape accusation is a more effective tool to ruin lives than an actual rape conviction. You engineer a culture of distrust and shame and relegate men to second-class citizens who are constantly called upon to check and censor themselves – then call them privileged.

                    No I don't. Do you? That's what feminists do. So are you saying we should just turn around and be just like the feminists? After reading this post, I have a hard time arguing that this sub isn't just a mirror image of feminism for men.

                    [–]MakeEmSayAyy 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                    Is anything else working?

                    Right now all we hear about is womyn rights and women in STEM as men blow their brains out 4 to 1 and women own every right imaginable including getting preferential hiring over men and everything else.

                    The difference is this is truth. And this stands up to debate.

                    [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                    The difference is this is truth. And this stands up to debate.

                    "Women deserve to be treated badly" is unproveable, and will not stand up as "truth" to the majority of debaters or onlookers. If truth and logical high ground is what is necessary, then this post is not helpful.

                    [–]njjj3o2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                    Some of the posters in here are just ridiculous with their hatred of women. Putting women on a pedestal is ridiculous but doing the exact opposite is just as ridiculous.

                    I treat everyone including women nicely until they have proven that they don't deserve that treatment.

                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                    Treat women the same way you treat any other average looking person. If they have a pleasant personality and good demeanor, great! If they have some shitty attitude, ignore them or treat them like shit right back.

                    The other day I saw some lady littering in the parking lot by my local supermarket. It looked like she was dumping garbage lodged in her drive's side door onto the parking lot. I told her "Don't littler, pick that up and put it in the garbage (pointing to a garbage can about 20 feet away by the push carts).

                    Lady just starts to cop an attitude and go all crazy eyes at me.. I then rolled down my window and said to her "Look, you can either put your garbage in the trash or not.. But after listening to you open you're mouth it's clear to me that you're a fat fucking loud mouth cunt who needs her meds either way, hope your day gets better!" and drove off. The look on her face was priceless. 10/10 would do again.

                    [–]3man 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                    I had a cab driver tell me once "women is women."

                    I think there's no need to lump all women into the category of women.

                    My point is there are a lot of amazing people in the world, and to paint em all as shifty womens will make it harder to meet non-shifty womens.

                    If the argument is that all women are shifty I don't buy it. I say this as a man who is confident, who has sex, doesn't let any woman boss me around or tell me what I can or cannot do in exchange for sex. I think this community specifically attracts a lot of shifty and/or manipulative women because ironically it is filled with a lot of manipulative dudes. This is likely going to be as well received as me telling a woman's rights group the reason they attract shitty men is because they themselves are shitty. I'm not saying you guys here are shitty, just that a lot of what's on this sub is focused on getting more sex - and to be fair, male self-improvement (primarily with the goal of sex with hot babes).

                    What's my point? Women aren't only one way. In some senses this might be true. For example all women have vaginas. Vaginas receive penises and there is likely some philosophical relevance there. Women generally receive men and men generally put themselves out toward women. If your strategy to attract women is to wait for them to come around then you're doing it literally backwards. This is all well and true, but if you then extrapolate and try to find other things all women are, and you come up with "money hungry good-for-nothing bitches who want nothing more than as many cocks as they can gargle," you've probably gone too far. Let's face it, women are beautiful. They are the yin to our yang baby. That doesn't mean we submit to them but that doesn't mean we dominate either. Respect my bros, respect that not all women are the same and you're only attracting shifty womens by treating women like such. Think about it, you treat all women as shifty womens, and only real shifty womens will stick around.

                    [–]noufris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I'm not sure if I got this correct but I'll write it best I can

                    The better you fuck them, the more you can get away with

                    My last two plates I have been truly shitty with. Both fought for me not to end it with them (I ended it with them due to boredom).

                    Both were amazing in bed too.

                    [–]TheBadGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I've considered that the secular advances we receive from the women we "treat poorly" is a sign of respect that we're demanding the same standards we give to ourselves. Those advances are a form of "hero worship," where you seek the validation of someone you either seek to be, or seek the praise of.

                    [–]InsiderT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    My Golden Rule: Do unto others as they would do unto themselves.

                    Just forget the often (mis)quoted do unto others as they would do unto you. Only you get to judge your own self worth, and so it goes with other people's worth.

                    Don't bother to do unto others what they "claim" they want, or what they "claim" they do. Words are empty. This is the path to Beta.

                    Treat someone the way they actually treat themselves.

                    Treat a woman the way she would treat herself. If she treats herself like garbage, why would you treat her any better?

                    [–]slothsenpai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Can anyone give me examples of what treating women like shit entails? I'm sure it wouldn't be as light as simply objectifying girls or as extreme as hitting and abusing women.

                    [–]Captain_Bu11shit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Holy fucking shit. What is wrong with this sub.

                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                    Never forget YOU are the prize. When you consent to a LTR, you have electively chosen to put your natural prowess and mating strategy on hold to accommodate hers. All Men need to understand that that is the ONLY concession you make in regards to her. She forfeits frewill at that point and needs to be relegated to nothing more than an all access 3 holed toy for your amusement. Her wants, needs, goals, etc. get left at that fucking door when she enters your world and your frame. Everything they tell you that is so-called "emotional abuse" - well call the fucking waaaaaahmbulance because it aint. Demands for total obedience and sex on tap are the least this stupid bitch owes you. Never feel bad for inducing her crocodile tears.

                    If her class schedule is inconvenient for you - she drops it or you drop her. You owe her not one thing and it's incumbent upon her to make herself available to you at all times you need those balls drained. She has no life priority above you. period. Don't ever feel bad or qualify her ridiculous musings. Game the fuck out of all of them and throw back her shit tests like Jager shots.

                    For cunts that you're stuck masking your disdain for who you work with or have classes with - protect and promote your interests over theirs and to their detriment with complete ethical immunity. Professionally and academically annihilate them. Ruin them socially, sexually and professionally. Do it for sport and giggles.

                    Women do deserve it. Their life objectives and dreams are at complete odds with anything that could possibly make you happy or amused - so fuck with her within the complete letter of the law. Insider tip: They don't realllly like it when we treat them like shit. They just get emotionally embroiled when we bait and switch them and slowly snuff out their egos. They keep trying to patch their wilting self esteem which is why they hang on. They stay with assholes because of the social entanglement that's been created and because there's also a desire to save face publicly. Doesn't matter if being treated like shit is their flavor. They deserve every fucking second of it. Millenial men didn't get a choice in their being liberated strong mouthy entitled pieces of shit but we sure no how to exact a pound of flesh for our inconvenience. Enjoy the decline, gentleman.

                    [–]Bassethounds4ever 7 points8 points  (41 children)

                    Um, I thought RP was about what the info described on its main page. Not simply a woman hating group.

                    [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 14 points15 points  (35 children)

                    Feel free to keep trying egalitarian relationships filled with mutual respect, and let us know how it goes.

                    [–]Bassethounds4ever 7 points8 points  (26 children)

                    Oh no, in most cases I agree with the mentality a man should keep and the logic behind his actions but usually the posts start to seem hostile, angry and just biased. Which makes me think its an emotional tantrum (although, still with good details) but due to being hurt by a woman and "all of them suck and should be treated like bitches".

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Theredpill is all about getting success in your sexual relationships and life. So if you have success with a different approach (let's say treating your woman like a queen) go ahead and feel free to make a post about it.

                    [–]Bassethounds4ever 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    I was under the impression that this was for example, avoiding traps from evil women that are wallet mosquitos. But if were talking about success, especially in monetary value why have women part of the equation at all? Must they be involved instead of cutting them off and succeding like that? I see more success stories in NoFap than here, honestly.

                    [–]strppngynglad 1 point2 points  (23 children)

                    The funny thing is when they come across one of the 1% of girls worth their time they're not going to see it. writing of half the population of the entire planet is idiotic. Have your defense and suspicion but be able to identify when you find one that's different.

                    [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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                      [–]strppngynglad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Yes that is why I am a part of the community. I see the value in understanding women's nature.

                      [–]thattransgirl161 3 points4 points  (7 children)

                      Yeah, not like mutual respect is good. /s

                      [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                      Everybody here is groaning inwardly at this comment.

                      [–]break_main 2 points3 points  (13 children)

                      Treat women like shit, only shitty women will talk to you. Youre missing out on a whole world of interesting women who respect themselves too much to put up with your bullshit

                      [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                      I used to think that, actually. Then I realized that those interesting women who respect themselves too much can be won over with muscles about ten times easier than they can with good behavior.

                      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                      Exactly. I hate this simp shit that's invading trp lately. There are no unicorns. They all just wanna be dominated by an alpha asshole or a high smv alpha. That simple.

                      [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      No shit. I think that most of them are feminists trying to get the board off track. It sure as fuck worked on this thread!

                      [–]break_main 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      You keep saying that. Pretty hard to prove. Sounds like the kind of thing a guy tells himself to explain why he keeps getting screwed over and justify treating women badly

                      [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I don't know. I don't like the OP either, but this comment is shit too. Sounds like something people say on TBP. 'TRP only works on broken women you meet in bars. If you want to get quality women, then you need to respect them.' Yeah. No.

                      I agree with you that treating all women collectively like shit 'because they deserve it' is not the answer. However, the idea that there are unicorns out there who don't respond to being treated badly is also bullshit. All women respond to being treated dismissively by attractive alphas. AWALT. Whether you choose to be a dismissive alpha who can still reward a woman who has earned it, or just 'treat them all like shit because they collectively suck by right of birth' is up to you.

                      [–]thattransgirl161 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                      No. Women do not automatically deserve mistreatment

                      [–]NiceTryDisaster 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                      Strongly disagree with this.

                      You gave few examples in the post

                      a wild animal

                      your dog bites one...

                      a man murders someone..

                      a man rapes someone...

                      a poisonous snake...

                      Really? That is what you compare women with? You couldnt find any other relate able examples to explain your points? Or do you really feel a woman is the same as those things you mention? Because if that's the case, then you might want to examine yourself because most women in my life have been wonderful, even when I was bluepill. Not all but most.

                      I sense a lot of anger from your writing towards women. More than the average anger phase guy. But since you're a senior member, I don't think this is the anger phase you're going through. This post is at par with the 'single mothers are scum' post that was stickied a few months ago. So if this what you feel for women, maybe you're better MGTOW

                      We treat human men badly without a second thought

                      No we dont!

                      Without going too out of context and nitpicking statements, let me address what I feel wrong with your point of view.

                      Women respond well to certain qualities like dominance, value, abundance etc in a man. When a guy goes from bluepill to "treated them like utter shit" what he does is not pedestalize them, not act like a puppydog everytime he recieves a text from her, stops buying shit for her, builds his own values, spends time with other women etc.

                      What he does is not 'treat her badly' but he 'defines strong boundaries for himself'.

                      The key is having strong boundaries along with few other key things like value, personality etc. If you have poor boundaries, family, friends and strangers, men and women, kids and pets all will walk over you. That doesnt make them bad. It's basic human nature.

                      If you have strong boundaries, none of that shit would happen. However you dont need to go out of your way to treat women badly for it.

                      They’ll fuck you for it while laughing at all of the stupid losers who treat them better.

                      Minority. Not most of them. Don't nitpick examples and use them as your worldview.

                      Anyways, after sitting on the computer for 5 hours straight, I do not have the power to pinpoint plenty other flaws with your post, heck I don't even have the power to look at the screen. Like I said earlier, I feel like I'm reading something written by a guy in extreme anger phase, but since you're a senior member, I feel it's not anger but your very lens through which you look at women and social dynamics is flawed.I feel you've let this red pill community become your real world lens.

                      Or maybe I am the one who is completely wrong, because I'm finding myself less inclined with red pill ideology lately and anti-patriachy and instead spending more time on girlschase than here, and find it more helpful because it has a similar base like TRP and r/k selection, mixed with some PUA but minus the hate for women and nitpicking on here. So yeah I guess, I agree with few things on TRP and disagree on a lot. This would be in the latter category.

                      [–]MakeEmSayAyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      They’ll fuck you for it while laughing at all of the stupid losers who treat them better.

                      You're just ignoring real life now.

                      They do this and hide under the guise of "oh he's confident". But the guys who dominate prison have bitches coming in and giving them some.

                      You're believing what you want to believe. Oh I can be a NICE alpha! Girls still like niceness!

                      No, it doesn't work like that. They like psychopathic assholes, and everything you've observed suggests this.

                      [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Hating women is kind of a neutral thing. It has no effect, plus or minus, on your sexual success.

                      If you look hot and behave in a socially apt manner and convey that you're valuable, women fuck you. They can't tell a real winner from a loser pretending to be one, a work-in-progress, or a recovered loser who's cool now.

                      Whether or not you hate or love them inside is more of a personal preference. Kind of like whether you like almonds.

                      [–]Hodensack666 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      kudos. finally someone says it like it is.

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